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| 00:20.54 | elg | technically, I think your dish hates bad weather. bad weather is probably indifferent |
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| 00:31.20 | tensai | openvpn scores again |
| 00:32.49 | tensai | what's fun is every dollar I save a client on hardware is one more dollar he can pay me in labor |
| 01:05.29 | goozbach | http://pykus.com/images/Happy_Venn.png |
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| 02:17.28 | tensai | goozbach: TMI |
| 02:23.32 | vontrapp | so where might one go to get custom chainsaw sheaths? |
| 02:23.47 | vontrapp | like, with company logo and such |
| 02:24.04 | vontrapp | just a simple vinyl one would do |
| 02:24.24 | goozbach | buy a bunch of em, then get screen printing done |
| 02:24.57 | QBFreak | or find a local sign shop, they can do the vinyl lettering |
| 02:25.16 | vontrapp | hmm, i pass a sign shop everyday |
| 02:25.30 | vontrapp | so where do you get the covers? |
| 02:25.37 | QBFreak | good question :) |
| 02:28.13 | QBFreak | I don't suppose you have a Northern Tool and Equipment out there? |
| 02:29.43 | vontrapp | duno |
| 02:29.57 | QBFreak | although I couldn't find one in their online catalog |
| 02:30.21 | QBFreak | aha, they're called Scabbards |
| 02:30.48 | vontrapp | ah yes |
| 02:30.53 | vontrapp | that sounds right |
| 02:32.21 | QBFreak | google products only finds one site |
| 02:32.52 | vontrapp | what about a place locally to etch a logo into wood? |
| 02:32.52 | QBFreak | husqvarna sells some, but like most big companies, their online catalog is useless |
| 02:34.08 | QBFreak | samba just up and quit working on me one day when I wasn't looking... |
| 02:34.31 | QBFreak | I have determined that it is in fact running (smbd and nmbd) and that I am getting a "Connection refused" message |
| 02:34.46 | QBFreak | afaik I am not running a firewall, and I certainly hadn't changed anything when it quit |
| 02:35.38 | vontrapp | no upgrades? |
| 02:35.56 | QBFreak | possibly |
| 02:36.08 | QBFreak | I don't know exactly when it stopped |
| 02:36.15 | QBFreak | the conf is still ok |
| 02:36.28 | vontrapp | hmmm, sandblasting, anywhere that does that? and how much would it be? |
| 02:37.54 | QBFreak | netstat shows that it is not listening |
| 02:40.29 | QBFreak | naturally smbd.log and nmbd.log are 0 bytes |
| 02:43.03 | vontrapp | i love the tbs lotr commercials |
| 02:59.26 | vontrapp | the only thing i find from searching 'scabbard' is things that actually hold a chainsaw |
| 02:59.32 | vontrapp | i want just a cover |
| 02:59.52 | vontrapp | just a flimsy piece of rubbery vinyl |
| 03:00.39 | QBFreak | my best guess would be a place that actually sells chainsaws, or an outdoor tool sort of place |
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| 03:07.18 | nick125_lappy | Evening everyone |
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| 03:08.39 | vontrapp | we sell chainsaws |
| 03:08.51 | vontrapp | and we have plenty of them covers |
| 03:09.06 | vontrapp | but they all say stihl or husqvarna or dolmar |
| 03:09.19 | vontrapp | we want some that say 'western saw' |
| 03:09.36 | QBFreak | yeah |
| 03:11.47 | QBFreak | I'm surprised that Global Industrial doesn't have any |
| 03:12.00 | QBFreak | they have everything else |
| 03:19.24 | QBFreak | I don't think anyone makes a generic one, at least no one that has an online catalog thats easy to find |
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| 03:30.49 | goozbach | ~spell analyst |
| 03:35.03 | Sargun | It is. |
| 03:35.07 | Sargun | ibot, You noob. |
| 03:35.27 | Sargun | :-P |
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| 03:40.43 | Tene | ~spell sargun |
| 03:40.52 | Tene | ~spell shut your stupid mouth |
| 03:41.02 | Sargun | haha |
| 03:41.11 | Sargun | ~tene-- |
| 03:41.14 | Sargun | ibot, Tene-- |
| 03:41.19 | Sargun | ~karma Tene |
| 03:41.19 | ibot | tene has karma of -12 |
| 03:41.24 | Sargun | Haha |
| 03:41.28 | Sargun | ~tene Sargun |
| 03:43.29 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 03:43.31 | ibot | pong |
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| 03:47.46 | Sargun | hi |
| 03:47.46 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 03:47.48 | ibot | pong |
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| 04:40.01 | elg | so anyone going to spiderman in 1.5 hours? |
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| 04:57.29 | Tene | Oh, wow, I never noticed that before. |
| 04:57.30 | Tene | If I right-click in a form textfield in firefox, there's an "add a keyword for this search" option. |
| 05:17.29 | Sargun | ~karma Tene |
| 05:17.29 | ibot | tene has karma of -12 |
| 05:20.46 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: you should quit rubbing it in :p |
| 05:21.54 | Sargun | haha |
| 05:21.58 | Sargun | ~karma Sargun |
| 05:21.59 | ibot | sargun has neutral karma |
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| 05:59.36 | levi_home | Gah. I've been cooking and cleaning for hours. |
| 06:01.22 | levi_home | It takes a whole crapload of peeled and grated potatoes to make that many. |
| 06:02.57 | Tene | Do you need them for something specific, or are you just trying out OCD? |
| 06:03.41 | levi_home | Yeah, the stake is holding a passover dinner tomorrow night, and this was my assignment. |
| 06:05.38 | levi_home | I really need a food processor. |
| 06:05.58 | levi_home | Grating potatoes and onions by hand is rather tedious. |
| 06:18.55 | levi_home | Time to finally sleep. |
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| 13:38.43 | elg | -chat |
| 13:38.45 | brac | multiplying by 4. |
| 13:44.16 | graphyx | elg: So tell me, |
| 13:44.20 | graphyx | you like flying |
| 13:45.34 | graphyx | The question I have is on multiple engine airplanes, why don't they have alternating props counter rotating to reduce/remove the left bias that the engines produce? |
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| 13:58.24 | elg | graphyx: some do |
| 13:58.56 | elg | http://av8n.com/how/htm/multi.html#sec-critical-engine |
| 13:59.00 | brac | [Multi-Engine Flying [Ch. 17 of See How It Flies]] |
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| 14:33.15 | ScytheBlade1 | This whole "Windows Volume Licensing" isn't as bad as I thought. |
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| 14:49.01 | graphyx | elg: There is some slight humor |
| 14:49.02 | graphyx | #4) If you persist in engine-out flight down to sufficiently low airspeed, at some point the wings and/or rudder will stall and you will be very sorry. |
| 14:49.11 | graphyx | We do not wish to demonstrate idea #4 |
| 14:50.35 | elg | yes, the whole thing is a delight to read |
| 14:51.02 | graphyx | So do you have a full flight rig for the flight sims that you do? |
| 14:51.06 | graphyx | including trim and such? |
| 14:55.53 | maquis | The back-end is going to include a postgres db |
| 14:56.05 | jsmith | Woo hoo! |
| 14:56.21 | maquis | I'd like to make everything as modular as possible, to the extent that people could potentially write front-ends in a variety of different languages |
| 14:56.39 | maquis | what would be the recommended language to use for the library? |
| 14:56.56 | graphyx | jsmith: any reason for postgress versus mysql? |
| 14:57.04 | jsmith | graphyx: Lots |
| 14:57.10 | harleypig | maquis: Isn't there already a number of those libraries? |
| 14:57.36 | maquis | harleypig: it's not a general-purpose library... it's going to be specific to my application |
| 14:57.58 | harleypig | Ah. |
| 14:58.16 | maquis | it's just that i want the user to have the same functionality from each of the front-ends in a variety of different ways |
| 14:58.40 | harleypig | Well, if the db is going to be pg then you could embed the logic in a pl language and just expect people to use sql queries. |
| 14:58.42 | maquis | so, i'm writing a library-like item that the front-ends can all call |
| 14:59.05 | jsmith | maquis: You might write your library in terms of an RPC service (using SOAP or something similar) |
| 14:59.39 | maquis | harleypig: how hard would it be to extend that type of an idea to be db-independent? |
| 15:00.22 | maquis | jsmith: does that have any/many efficiency tradeoffs? |
| 15:01.01 | jsmith | Well, I've mostly done that sort of thing with SOAP calls, and there is *some* overhead in doing that. |
| 15:01.20 | jsmith | But, if it's done right, it's a very slick way to do it. |
| 15:01.40 | jsmith | If done wrong, SOAP can be as ugly as any other programming technology |
| 15:01.53 | maquis | interesting |
| 15:01.58 | jsmith | The nice thing is that there are SOAP libraries for most of the major programming languages |
| 15:02.31 | jsmith | Plus, SOAP is easy to learn... Amazon and Google and many others offer SOAP APIs that you can play with to get your feet wet |
| 15:03.10 | graphyx | wet AND clean. |
| 15:03.36 | maquis | most of what i'd been looking at so far with languages and such has been C and perl, but I'm not really familiar at all with other options, and I want something where I'm not restricted to one or the other (because for a web front-end, perl would be ideal, but for a command-line front-end, C might be a bit nicer...) |
| 15:04.03 | maquis | jsmith: yeah... i know a bit about amazon's APIs... but i also have seen a bit of the back-end, and didn't want to get too close to any of that :) |
| 15:04.22 | harleypig | maquis: pretty hard. PLs aren't very widespread. I misunderstood. I though you said that pg was going to be the backend. I ASSumed you meant it was required. |
| 15:04.51 | herlo | harleypig: nice CAPitalization :) |
| 15:04.58 | harleypig | :> |
| 15:05.05 | jsmith | maquis: I'm not saying SOAP is the perfect answer, I'm just saying it's one alternative you might consider. |
| 15:05.20 | herlo | maquis: XMLRPC is the way to go |
| 15:05.40 | harleypig | No! Come up with your own API! There aren't enough APIs on the web yet! |
| 15:05.42 | herlo | much lighter and simpler codeset than SOAP |
| 15:05.52 | herlo | ~lart harleypig |
| 15:05.52 | ibot | stabs harleypig |
| 15:06.07 | harleypig | Or you could use *gah* |
| 15:06.31 | jsmith | herlo: Yeah, and less support than SOAP in the languages she's likely to write the front-ends in :-) |
| 15:07.13 | maquis | harleypig: it's at least starting out as postgres-only |
| 15:07.20 | herlo | maquis: SOAP has XML too |
| 15:07.35 | harleypig | But if you want to make it db agnostic then pl's are out. |
| 15:07.55 | maquis | but while making the decision on how to do it, i'm going to take into consideration whether an option would prevent me from expanding that |
| 15:08.25 | maquis | pls are in oracle too, if i'm thinking of the same thing, right? |
| 15:08.36 | harleypig | Yeah, but not in mysql |
| 15:08.38 | jsmith | Yeah, only they're different |
| 15:08.50 | harleypig | I have no idea about mssql |
| 15:09.04 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 15:09.17 | jsmith | harleypig: mssql has them too |
| 15:09.41 | harleypig | jsmith: Thanks, but I want to know as little as possible about mssql. :] |
| 15:10.01 | maquis | well, that gives me a few directions to start looking a bit. I'm still in a reasonably-early design stage, but i want to make sure i do this in one of the many "right" ways |
| 15:10.13 | jsmith | harleypig: I don't blame you there |
| 15:10.52 | harleypig | maquis: If I understand correctly, you want to build a language agnostic access to a db in a db agnostic way? |
| 15:11.00 | jsmith | maquis: Obviously, the more we know about your project, the more we can pretend to help you |
| 15:11.09 | harleypig | :D |
| 15:11.16 | maquis | harleypig: well... not completely |
| 15:11.20 | maquis | kinda |
| 15:12.19 | maquis | and i don't care nearly as much about the db-agnostic side of it |
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| 15:12.26 | jsmith | maquis: So, as long as the front-ends are independent, you don't mind if the back-end is tied more tightly to one DB |
| 15:12.26 | maquis | pretty much, i've been looking for the past year or so for a calendaring system that has a number of features that i really want |
| 15:13.02 | maquis | i haven't found anything close, and so i'm trying to build it myself |
| 15:13.02 | harleypig | Hmmm ... other than providing access to the db as a service (local or remote) I don't see how you can *not* expect the developer to use a language specific db access library. |
| 15:13.02 | maquis | and i'm trying to build it in a way where other people who are interested can adjust it really easily to their own needs |
| 15:13.26 | maquis | so, i was hoping to create a set of functions that will allow the user to add a new event by just calling add_event(<event info>) |
| 15:13.29 | maquis | etc |
| 15:13.32 | harleypig | maquis: Ooo... I'd be interested in that too. todos with parents and children? |
| 15:13.35 | maquis | and it would put it into the db |
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| 15:13.53 | maquis | harleypig: i hadn't acutually thought of parent/children todos, but that's a really good idea |
| 15:13.54 | harleypig | Everybody hide! redbeard2's here! |
| 15:14.14 | jsmith | maquis: OK, you've got my interest too... |
| 15:14.23 | maquis | harleypig: one of the things that i've been looking at is separating the event data (the text inside the event) from the actual event itself |
| 15:14.43 | maquis | so, each event can have various notes attached to it, and notes can be shared across events |
| 15:15.10 | harleypig | Do you mean all text? or just commentary on the event? |
| 15:15.10 | maquis | let's say i have an event called "foo" that occurs every wednesday |
| 15:15.43 | harleypig | Ok. |
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| 15:15.47 | sjansen | http://avatraxiom.livejournal.com/58084.html |
| 15:15.51 | maquis | now, all instances of foo have a note attached to them that says "cake and ice cream provided" |
| 15:16.12 | maquis | but, on a specific wednesday, i'm going to be in charge of bringing the cake and ice cream to the event |
| 15:16.15 | Jayce^ | ~squash harleypig |
| 15:16.35 | maquis | so, i need to add a note to foo for that day saying "i'm in charge of bringing the cake and ice cream" |
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| 15:16.43 | Jayce^ | harleypig, have you looked at all at DBD::Gofer ? |
| 15:16.58 | maquis | so, i can add a note to just that particular event |
| 15:17.08 | maquis | or i can remove a note for a particular event |
| 15:17.22 | maquis | or change just the note for one event (or a group of them) |
| 15:17.27 | harleypig | Jayce^: Never heard of it... looking now. |
| 15:17.47 | jsmith | maquis: You have looked at CalDAV, right? |
| 15:18.12 | harleypig | maquis: Sounds reasonable. |
| 15:18.27 | maquis | harleypig: jsmith: the other thing i'm focusing on with this is that i can use a bunch of different front-ends... so, in some circumstances, i may want to use a web front-end... in other instances, i want to just do some quick things from the command-line |
| 15:18.35 | maquis | or maybe i want a gui client that makes it look all pretty |
| 15:19.25 | maquis | and every sunday, i need to print out a flier with all of the week's RS activities to hand out... i'd like to just have a report run via cron that can sit there and generate the flier automatically for me :) |
| 15:19.42 | maquis | jsmith: i've looked at a ton of different things... i don't remember for certain whether that was one of them... let me check |
| 15:21.20 | harleypig | Jayce^: looks interesting. what about it? |
| 15:22.56 | maquis | jsmith: CalDAV does look interesting, but I'm not 100% certain how it'll work with the way i'm trying to model things in the backend... i'll look into it some more, though... |
| 15:23.44 | harleypig | jsmith: I don't think caldav fits maquis problem space. She can certainly use it, but it seems to me she's looking for mechanics, not design. If that makes any sense. |
| 15:24.33 | harleypig | I shouldn't say problem space ... I mean the problem she's trying to deal with right now. |
| 15:24.56 | harleypig | maquis: or am I wrong. |
| 15:25.04 | harleypig | It's been known to happen a couple of times before. |
| 15:25.05 | maquis | harleypig: correct |
| 15:26.12 | goozbach | this book is funny |
| 15:26.13 | maquis | anyway, for now, i'm reasonably early on in the project, but i'm hoping to get a back-end started sometime soon, and after that, i'll play with a really basic front-end a bit before i start making it a bit more available to the outside... |
| 15:26.22 | goozbach | the avation book that is |
| 15:26.44 | graphyx | that is what I was saying |
| 15:26.45 | maquis | but the ideas have been cooking for a little bit in my head, and i'm getting excited to play with it... :) |
| 15:26.52 | graphyx | very well written |
| 15:27.57 | Jayce^ | harleypig, Tim has a presentation on it at oscon.. |
| 15:28.04 | Jayce^ | he's using it at shopzilla right now.. |
| 15:28.21 | Jayce^ | I like the stateless connection pooling it provides.. |
| 15:28.28 | Jayce^ | for the non-transactional content |
| 15:29.30 | harleypig | Jayce^: Tim O'Reilly? |
| 15:30.22 | levi | harleypig: Tim the Enchanter! |
| 15:30.33 | harleypig | heh |
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| 15:31.59 | Jayce^ | Tim Bunce of course |
| 15:32.20 | Jayce^ | pretty much inline with levi's statement though :) |
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| 15:37.45 | sjansen | o/~ We all live in a yellow submarine, a yellow submarine, a yellow submarine ~/o |
| 15:38.09 | harleypig | o/~ We all live in a yellow subroutine, a yellow subroutine, a yellow subroutine o/~ |
| 15:38.17 | graphyx | Wow, do we really need 3 bots in here? |
| 15:38.30 | harleypig | How do you know it's just 3? |
| 15:38.42 | herlo | I could be a bot! |
| 15:38.55 | harleypig | And if they aren't interfering, what's the problem with it? |
| 15:39.10 | graphyx | herlo: harleypig You guys are entirely too non deterministic. |
| 15:39.19 | herlo | graphyx: are you sure? |
| 15:39.27 | harleypig | possibly |
| 15:39.31 | harleypig | maybe |
| 15:39.32 | graphyx | harleypig: no problem really, just seems redundant. |
| 15:39.36 | harleypig | but maybe not |
| 15:39.45 | harleypig | what's wrong with redundancy? |
| 15:39.46 | harleypig | what's wrong with redundancy? |
| 15:40.01 | herlo | graphyx: Maybe I am a bot that's sometimes run by a human... |
| 15:40.24 | graphyx | I would believe the inverse more. =] |
| 15:40.34 | levi | maquis: As much as I hate to say it, a C API may be your best bet for providing cross-language support. Most languages have a fairly easy way to call C functions, since that's how most of them are programmed and the convention on most operating systems for providing services. |
| 15:40.56 | maquis | levi: yeah... that's one direction i was looking at |
| 15:41.21 | levi | maquis: XMLRPC was a good suggestion, too. |
| 15:41.33 | maquis | i think i'll still take a look at some of the other info that's been brought up here, though, because this discussion was really interesting (and the parent/child todos is something i totally hadn't thought of!) |
| 15:42.03 | levi | sjansen: Sweet, a perl-bashing article. |
| 15:42.27 | harleypig | where? |
| 15:42.35 | harleypig | oh, that link sjansen gave? |
| 15:42.38 | levi | Yeah. |
| 15:42.49 | levi | Hah, some of the comments on there are precious. |
| 15:43.04 | levi | "Looking at your list, I don't think you have any real alternatives to Python. Bugzilla needs performance and Ruby, Java and C# just won't make it." |
| 15:43.14 | graphyx | on that train of thought, how long has perl been in version 5? |
| 15:43.47 | harleypig | at least 10 years. |
| 15:43.50 | harleypig | more I think. |
| 15:44.00 | graphyx | when will it hit version 6? |
| 15:44.08 | graphyx | or is it essentially done? |
| 15:44.15 | Jayce^ | graphyx, you can *use* perl6, but it's still in development.. |
| 15:44.32 | sjansen | Perl 6 is being used to write Duke Nukem. They're schedule to be released at the same time. |
| 15:44.36 | Jayce^ | but the 5.x series has had very major changes in it's . releases |
| 15:44.40 | graphyx | lol |
| 15:45.28 | Jayce^ | graphyx, run.pugscode.org to use it without installing :) |
| 15:46.02 | levi | maquis: If you do go the route of providing a C library interface, you might want to look at the way to generate calls to C libraries for your favorite higher-level languages to make sure that you don't design the API in such a way as to make it difficult to make the bindings. |
| 15:46.29 | maquis | levi: good point |
| 15:46.57 | elg | graphyx: i have a yoke and rudder pedals |
| 15:47.08 | elg | ~poke atoponce |
| 15:47.09 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind atoponce, pokes atoponce repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 15:47.22 | levi | Decent languages should have tools that parse C header files and automatically know how to call the C functions, but a lot of popular languages aren't quite that decent. ;) |
| 15:47.48 | atoponce | elg: yes? |
| 15:47.48 | elg | levi: for the rest there's swig :) |
| 15:48.16 | elg | just prodding |
| 15:48.19 | Lone_Wanderer | swig is a python thing, right? |
| 15:48.21 | atoponce | oh |
| 15:48.22 | atoponce | ok |
| 15:48.51 | elg | swig can make bindings between C and {python,java,ruby,etc.} |
| 15:49.26 | Lone_Wanderer | oh, cool |
| 15:50.44 | levi | I made module for Chicken Scheme that hooked up GNU readline. It was slightly tricky, but only because the API itself was a little tricky. |
| 15:51.12 | Lone_Wanderer | ~lart having nothing to do at work |
| 15:51.12 | ibot | takes a big bite out of having nothing to do at work's jugular vein |
| 15:51.38 | elg | learn erlang |
| 15:51.43 | elg | everybody's doing it |
| 15:52.06 | sjansen | Lone_Wanderer: Walk up to a random server. Pull a random cord. Walk up to another server, "accidentally" yank it out and drop it on the floor. Run away laughing. |
| 15:52.42 | sjansen | Hide in the bathroom for 5 minutes. Walk back slowly. Act surprised and offer to help with the recovery process. |
| 15:52.44 | Lone_Wanderer | We only have one server in house, the others are at xmission. |
| 15:52.55 | Lone_Wanderer | And the one in house is under my boss's desk. |
| 15:53.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Otherwise that'd be great. |
| 15:53.12 | levi | That just makes it more challenging. :) |
| 15:53.15 | Lone_Wanderer | I could SSH into it and change some vital but obscure apache setting, I suppose. |
| 15:53.29 | goozbach | "the difference between an 'interesting' spiral and danger are small" |
| 15:54.05 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: I think the 'learn erlang' option is better. |
| 15:54.26 | goozbach | go buy a pineapple |
| 15:54.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Learn erlang? Oh, a better option than destroying a server? |
| 15:55.20 | levi | Yes. |
| 15:56.32 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.43 | sjansen | Stupid elg, always insists on countering my "impratical" ideas with "useful" advice. |
| 15:57.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Normally I'd agree with you, harleypig, but in this case it is definitely Perl's fault. |
| 15:58.36 | harleypig | ? What is? |
| 15:59.05 | harleypig | That someone wrote bad code? |
| 15:59.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. |
| 15:59.16 | Lone_Wanderer | And global warming. |
| 15:59.29 | harleypig | Oh. Don't forget about the hole in the ozone. |
| 15:59.40 | harleypig | Or was that the Kirellians? |
| 16:02.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Are Kirellians Star Wars or Star Trek? |
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| 16:09.34 | levi | Hah, looks like Miguel is going to do Silverlight for Linux. |
| 16:11.56 | harleypig | Lone_Wanderer: Kirellians are MIB |
| 16:12.13 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 16:17.44 | sjansen | levi: Was there ever any doubt? |
| 16:18.22 | sjansen | I'm surprised it took you this long to find that out. |
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| 16:19.25 | levi | sjansen: What, that Miguel committed to it? I knew he wanted to as soon as details were released. |
| 16:21.09 | sjansen | The MS press conference went something like this: |
| 16:21.09 | sjansen | MS: "We are Microsoft, tremble before us! We have brought you together to announce a new technology that will save the Internet. We call it Silverlight. It will" |
| 16:21.09 | sjansen | *From somewhere in the middle of he audience Miguel behinds jump up and down* |
| 16:21.10 | sjansen | Miguel: "We're gonna copy that too! Us too! We'll have it too!" |
| 16:21.58 | levi | This is a cool photo-processing effect: http://www.unfocusedbrain.com/projects/match_color/ |
| 16:22.24 | levi | sjansen: Hey, Silverlight is cool technology. Its major flaw is its closed-ness. |
| 16:23.07 | Jayce^ | yes, it is a much better technology than their last similar attempt at pushing extensive code to the browser... |
| 16:23.13 | Jayce^ | but still.. |
| 16:23.47 | Keighvin | Oh yeah, I forgot to |
| 16:23.49 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 16:23.50 | ibot | executes killall -HUP Jayce^ |
| 16:23.55 | Jayce^ | -lart Keighvin |
| 16:23.57 | Lars-UT | Flash hasa more penetration than any Operating System, and it's an add-on to web browsers. It's not surprising that MS would take a shot. |
| 16:24.12 | Jayce^ | Lars-UT, long time no see |
| 16:24.24 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: congratulations! |
| 16:24.35 | Jayce^ | danke |
| 16:24.38 | sjansen | Silverlight is about a whole lot more than killing flash. http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/009000.html |
| 16:24.39 | herlo | Lars-UT: hey slut-ra, how's things you big jerk ! |
| 16:24.41 | brac | [Thinking About The Strategy Behind Microsoft Silverlight (by Jeremy Zawodny)] |
| 16:24.42 | herlo | :) |
| 16:26.15 | Lars-UT | ~cokezero herlo |
| 16:26.17 | ibot | ACTION puts an iv in herlo and forces 120 ounces of Coke Zero into his veins |
| 16:26.23 | levi | Reasons Silverlight is better than Flash: 1) Supports multiple programming languages, including Python and Ruby (soon) as well as javascript, 2) Source code to Silverlight pages is in text, so you can read it and learn how cool stuff was done, 3) Advanced virtual machine, including support for efficient execution of dynamically typed languages, the support for which is currently open-sourced. |
| 16:26.30 | herlo | ~herlo Lars-UT |
| 16:26.32 | ibot | ACTION pokes Lars-UT with a sharp needle. |
| 16:27.26 | sjansen | There's a lot of good to be said about the CLR/DLR. But it needs to be let free before it can be truly great. This is one case where Open Source vs. Free Software makes a big difference. |
| 16:27.37 | Jayce^ | fears for silverlight.. allows code to access outside of the browser.. is closed source.. |
| 16:27.42 | levi | sjansen: The DLR /is/ free. |
| 16:27.57 | levi | sjansen: I read through the source code to it a couple of days ago. |
| 16:28.07 | sjansen | Open Source != Free Software |
| 16:28.12 | levi | Jayce^: Silverlight has a sandbox model. |
| 16:28.44 | sjansen | The fact that you read the code means nothing to me other than MS is hoping to get a little free debugging. |
| 16:28.50 | levi | sjansen: I thought the Microsoft Permissive License qualified. I'm not a license lawyer, though... I don't really care that much. |
| 16:29.14 | levi | It's supposed to be BSD-style. It looked pretty tame to me when I glanced at it. |
| 16:29.54 | sjansen | Until MS comes out with an iron clad promise not to enforce patents, it's just a bunch of hand waving. |
| 16:29.58 | levi | Jayce^: The CLR in Silverlight is not the same CLR that's currently running .net stuff. It's compatible, but completely re-written. |
| 16:30.07 | Jayce^ | levi, right, read about that.. |
| 16:30.14 | Jayce^ | which is another slight worry.. |
| 16:30.34 | Jayce^ | remember the last time they did that (if you had to program back in the MFC days)... |
| 16:30.38 | Jayce^ | lotsa gotchas |
| 16:33.38 | herlo | Lars-UT: what are you doing at home? |
| 16:33.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Silverlight is an MS thing? |
| 16:34.18 | Lars-UT | herlo: http://twitter.com/larsra |
| 16:34.56 | herlo | Lars-UT: is that like a journal or something? |
| 16:35.06 | herlo | I've not used twitter |
| 16:35.13 | Lars-UT | I use it for status updates |
| 16:35.17 | Lone_Wanderer | a journal? no, a journal has an ostensibly useful purpose |
| 16:35.19 | levi | sjansen: Apparently, FSFE gave a preliminary judgement that the Microsoft Permissive License met their approval, and satisfies the four freedoms that define Free Software. |
| 16:35.33 | Lone_Wanderer | twitter is pure time wasting, with few to no redeeming qualities |
| 16:35.35 | sjansen | Twitter is the crack of the blogging generation. |
| 16:35.47 | Lars-UT | I'd agree in part with that. |
| 16:35.58 | herlo | Lars-UT: explain |
| 16:36.25 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm going to hate twitter until it's used to dispense information in an emergency situation AND saves someone's life in the process. |
| 16:38.09 | levi | herlo: It broadcasts short messages about what you're currently doing/thinking to everyone who's said they're interested in what you're thinking/doing. |
| 16:38.15 | Lars-UT | From my point of view twitter lets me tell others what I'm doing in a very quick & lazy way. I added twitter@twitter.com to my Google Talk contacts, and I send an IM to that contact when I want to update my status. |
| 16:38.15 | Lars-UT | I thought it was useless at first, but I think it does have some value in that it can provide insight into an individual's life - if you care. |
| 16:38.36 | herlo | and tell his friends when he'll be home... |
| 16:38.48 | Lone_Wanderer | OTR? |
| 16:38.54 | herlo | On The Road |
| 16:38.59 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 16:39.11 | herlo | truckers use it too |
| 16:39.44 | Lone_Wanderer | truckers use what? |
| 16:40.18 | Lars-UT | Lone_Wanderer: No that's another story. The important thing here is.. what kind of car ya' got? |
| 16:41.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Ohhhh |
| 16:41.03 | herlo | Lars-UT: how do I invite you to be my friend on twitter? |
| 16:41.04 | Lone_Wanderer | I've got a bitchiinnnnnnn |
| 16:41.08 | Lone_Wanderer | camaro! |
| 16:41.10 | herlo | Lone_Wanderer: OTR |
| 16:41.16 | Lars-UT | yes! |
| 16:41.25 | Lars-UT | lol |
| 16:41.29 | herlo | lol |
| 16:41.55 | Lone_Wanderer | So... learn erlang, or do something productive? |
| 16:43.00 | Jayce^ | herlo, just go to his page, there is a link on the side |
| 16:43.06 | levi | Hah, some idiot on comp.lang.python whining about how a cross-posted message about Microsoft's DLR is off-topic there. The DLR /is/ IronPython. Where would be a better place to discuss it? |
| 16:43.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Flame him, levi. Flame him to death. |
| 16:43.28 | Jayce^ | lars... you're prepping for paintball?? where, with who? |
| 16:43.47 | Lars-UT | thought you might notice that... |
| 16:43.53 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 16:44.03 | jsmith | Lars-UT: Hey! |
| 16:44.03 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: I went for the 2nd time in my life last Saturday |
| 16:44.09 | Lars-UT | jsmith: yo |
| 16:44.17 | Jayce^ | where? |
| 16:44.23 | Jayce^ | what equipment? |
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| 16:45.10 | brac | [Powerline Paintball] |
| 16:45.18 | Jayce^ | ahh |
| 16:45.58 | Lars-UT | Just w/some friends out by Eagle Mountain - equipment rented from http://jtpaintballrentals.com/ |
| 16:46.15 | Lars-UT | I was unimpressed w/the equipment we rented |
| 16:46.32 | Lone_Wanderer | paintball rental equipment generally sucks, innit? |
| 16:46.35 | Jayce^ | Lars-UT, umm, did they tell you *where* out by eagle mountain... say the hills right behind it, a field that a lot of people go to ?? |
| 16:46.39 | herlo | Lars-UT: I have this coupon for a 3/hr session for $20 down in SF somewhere, we should do that as a group sometime |
| 16:47.00 | Jayce^ | say, here: http://www.teamdesertedge.com/content/section/5/36/ |
| 16:47.10 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: yes, there was another game going on adjacent to ours |
| 16:47.23 | Jayce^ | ROFL |
| 16:47.27 | Jayce^ | that's my team field.. |
| 16:47.42 | Jayce^ | we're doing field cleanup tomorrow, some folks trashed a lot of stuff |
| 16:47.50 | Jayce^ | I'll see you up there, but won't be playing myself.. |
| 16:47.55 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: bingo - that's the spot. |
| 16:48.22 | Lars-UT | too funny. |
| 16:48.35 | Jayce^ | Lars-UT, you can always come play with us :-> |
| 16:48.57 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: I enjoyed it enough that I'm thinking aboutdropping some extra cash for equipment |
| 16:49.17 | Jayce^ | Lars-UT, how much, I can help steer you correctly.. |
| 16:49.48 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: I 've only got $150 extra for now - I dropped my side jobs. |
| 16:49.58 | Jayce^ | can get started for that.. |
| 16:50.30 | Jayce^ | Spyder MR-1 or a Tippman 98C pack is what you want.. common, the new spyder is good, easy to fix.. |
| 16:50.38 | Jayce^ | the 98 is a dependable workhorse |
| 16:50.42 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: I want a better barrel though - got anything used? |
| 16:50.49 | Jayce^ | can drive over it without breaking it |
| 16:51.10 | Jayce^ | Lars-UT, yeah, I do actually.. and old piranha with a nice J&J ceramic barrel |
| 16:51.16 | Jayce^ | could go real cheap on that one.. |
| 16:51.32 | Jayce^ | my wife won't part with her 98 unless I get her an a5 I think |
| 16:52.33 | bonez39 | is 'netstat' something that could help me tell if someone is trying to compromise my system? if so, are there any good tutorials on using netstat or other such tools? |
| 16:52.44 | Jayce^ | Lars-UT, that's not always a function of the barrel though.. |
| 16:52.53 | Jayce^ | but if you want range, you gotta get an apex... |
| 16:52.55 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 16:53.26 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: the paintballs kept dropping short of my targets - a bit frustrating. |
| 16:53.47 | Jayce^ | yeah, that can be *several* things though.. |
| 16:54.10 | Jayce^ | air type, air pressure, gun speed, barrel, Paint quality, Paints reaction to temp and humidity... etc.. |
| 16:54.35 | Lars-UT | I would have had to change the arc - felt like I was playing Scorched Earth for a bit - no problem when targets were close though |
| 16:56.29 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: well, except that I found that a few light branches & brush make you nearly impervious to paint - the balls seemed to break on the cover instead of piercing to the intended target, but I guess that's part of the tactics. |
| 16:56.38 | findlay | Lars-UT! |
| 16:56.44 | findlay | how's it going, Lars-UT? |
| 16:56.54 | Jayce^ | Lars-UT, it is, but paint quality can make a major difference there.. |
| 16:57.03 | Jayce^ | something like blaze (wal-mart) and yeah, you're screwed.. |
| 16:57.16 | Lars-UT | findlay: 'tis well - how you doin'?! |
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| 16:57.21 | sjansen | levi: Shame on you for interrupting the paintball discussion. |
| 16:57.25 | sjansen | ~paint levi |
| 16:57.38 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on levi |
| 16:57.39 | findlay | pretty good |
| 16:57.39 | Jayce^ | during the winter I was mostly using some good ink'd, and staring to use a new chronic and pro-ball types for this summer |
| 16:57.50 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: I spent $40 for 2,000 rounds at Wal-Mart - can't remember the brand |
| 16:58.28 | Jayce^ | yeah, their stuff is usually on the shelf for a long time... not good |
| 16:58.32 | Jayce^ | sometimes ok.. |
| 16:59.40 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: I'd rather have consistent quality so I can learn from my mistakes more quickly |
| 17:00.37 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: I took a headshot in the goggles from a sniper that had climbed a tree! |
| 17:00.59 | Jayce^ | hehe.. easy target :) |
| 17:01.04 | Lars-UT | yep |
| 17:01.09 | Jayce^ | ask sjansen about getting shot in the head, and the back :) |
| 17:01.32 | Jayce^ | ask your friends about the team that plays at the field.. :) |
| 17:01.38 | sjansen | Don't wear a black sweater to a paintball match in the winter. |
| 17:01.46 | Jayce^ | it's common for us to go 10 vs 30 and clean them up in no time.. |
| 17:02.03 | Jayce^ | sjansen, and dont' lock your keys in your car |
| 17:03.20 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: the shot that made me nervous was one to the upper thigh - it would have severed an artery - made me conside buying additional, um, armor. |
| 17:03.54 | Jayce^ | yeah, my paintball pants have some built in padding there.. |
| 17:04.46 | Jayce^ | a direct hit is scary at that point |
| 17:04.53 | Lars-UT | I wasn't worried about the artery, just that I narrowly avoided a crotch shot. I saw one guy doubled over for 10min after taking a hit. |
| 17:06.06 | sjansen | When did it become okay to submit a 7 page resume? |
| 17:06.33 | levi | sjansen: It didn't. Round file it. |
| 17:06.58 | Jayce^ | Lars-UT, exactly what I'm talking about.. |
| 17:07.59 | Jayce^ | had a friend making fun of a guy on my team because he wore a cup... about an hour later the guy took a direct hit.. was out for the rest of the day |
| 17:07.59 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: ouch. |
| 17:07.59 | Jayce^ | his wife had fun complaining about how purple everything was :-p |
| 17:08.04 | Lars-UT | TMI! |
| 17:08.14 | Jayce^ | kinda like Earl last night? everybody catch that :) |
| 17:08.27 | findlay | J.S. Bach's trio sonatas! |
| 17:08.40 | Lars-UT | not yet, but Earl gets downloaded via my RSS feed automagically, I'll be watching it soon. |
| 17:09.43 | sjansen | levi: But the guys amazing! He ranked #7 or 1 million students in his home country. He's published physics research papers. Captain of the chess team. Member of the ballroom team. His academic honors alone take up nearly an entire page. |
| 17:10.26 | levi | sjansen: Sounds insufferable. Round file. |
| 17:10.43 | sjansen | Sounds like a liar, personally. |
| 17:12.08 | sjansen | Actually, liar or over trained incompetent. Hard to tell which. Either is deadly in a classroom. |
| 17:12.56 | levi | sjansen: If he was really that amazing, he'd be screwing around at a research lab or something. |
| 17:12.56 | levi | Not trying for a job at Guru Labs. |
| 17:13.13 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: Let me know what you can do for $150 - that's all the budget I have for now. If it makes sense to rent protective gear for a while, I'm open to that. I want a paintball gun/barrel(even used) that has a decent range. |
| 17:13.32 | levi | sjansen: Not your fault he doesn't know how to tailor his resume. Round file. |
| 17:13.49 | Jayce^ | Lars-UT, I'll bring some stuff saturday if I remember.. |
| 17:13.55 | Jayce^ | but yeah, I can do something |
| 17:14.04 | sjansen | levi: I'm fully aware of that. Although the Physics world must be pretty hard to break into because a surprisingly large number of recent resumes came from physics majors. |
| 17:14.08 | findlay | what's a round file? |
| 17:14.21 | levi | findlay: A trash can. |
| 17:14.26 | findlay | ah :) |
| 17:14.40 | sjansen | round file == file 13 == /dev/null |
| 17:14.53 | levi | sjansen: Yes, I hear the academic physics world really is hard to break into. |
| 17:17.01 | Keighvin | Even with good lock picks? |
| 17:19.56 | sjansen | ~censor Keighvin |
| 17:21.12 | findlay | Feynman could pick locks |
| 17:21.23 | findlay | I think Keighvin has the answer |
| 17:21.55 | sjansen | ~censor findlay |
| 17:25.40 | levi | So, this method of creating parsers creates parsers with no runtime type checks, but with compiler-verifiable correctness proof, so you know your parser will not fail or crash at runtime. |
| 17:25.55 | findlay | you're just jealous because I have Bach, sjansen |
| 17:26.14 | findlay | yay, harleypig is here! |
| 17:26.14 | Keighvin | Half an hour or so, eh? |
| 17:26.44 | harleypig | phfft ... 70 minutes ... 30 minutes ... that's not so long ... |
| 17:27.41 | harleypig | err .. not that big a difference |
| 17:28.05 | findlay | ~eval 70 - 30 |
| 17:28.50 | graphyx | If I do end up in SLC in the short time future, I think that I will have to try out the paintball stuff. |
| 17:29.07 | levi | Hmm, no more Red Handed. |
| 17:29.08 | graphyx | My older brother was on a sponsered team for a little bit. |
| 17:31.50 | graphyx | for paintball. |
| 17:32.07 | graphyx | with Jayce^ as a moderator paintball is never OT |
| 17:32.14 | graphyx | as if there were such a thing here |
| 17:37.28 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 17:39.11 | levi | findlay: mheath's military mishaps. |
| 17:39.49 | findlay | levi: common #utah fare |
| 17:40.18 | levi | Common, but off-topic by decree. |
| 17:41.08 | findlay | yet exceptionable |
| 17:42.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Digital SLR recommend-me-do? |
| 17:46.40 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.08 | sjansen | I'm not looking for anything. |
| 17:47.39 | Jayce^ | sjansen, you're looking for a big hairy man in a thong and a clown nose to show up at your doorstep |
| 17:47.47 | sjansen | My bosses are looking for a person experienced with Linux, willing to learn, capable of managing a classroom and willing to travel. |
| 17:48.03 | harleypig | woops |
| 17:48.24 | harleypig | The only one I have any concerns about is managing a classroom. |
| 17:48.36 | Lone_Wanderer | sjansen: So the applying person doesn't have to be capable of teaching a Linux class at this time, so long as they're capable of and willing to learn the material? |
| 17:48.39 | jsmith | sjansen: If I didn't already have a job doing almost the same thing, I'd be interested. |
| 17:48.48 | findlay | ~entertain harleypig's hypothetical classroom |
| 17:48.54 | ibot | ACTION grabs 5 random objects and begins to weave them through the air in a display of superior juggling skill for harleypig's hypothetical classroom's entertainment whilst whistling Einzug der Gladiatoren by Julius Fu?ík |
| 17:49.04 | sjansen | It's very unlikely that anyone we hire will already have experience with everything we teach. Instead, the person needs a solid enough grounding in the basics to pick up new information very quickly. |
| 17:49.48 | herlo | jsmith: and if you lived in Utah |
| 17:50.06 | jsmith | herlo: True, true. |
| 17:50.17 | sjansen | Preferably, a person will have real world system administration experience. |
| 17:50.45 | thaddeusq | The hardest thing about managing a classroom is keeping off topic things from sidetracking the class. |
| 17:51.30 | jsmith | And the second-hardest thing is keeping that one oddball in the class from proving he knows everything |
| 17:51.49 | thaddeusq | I just let him prove it! |
| 17:51.59 | findlay | heh |
| 17:52.05 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm afraid I would be unable to keep myself from making snide remarks toward students like "that one oddball". |
| 17:52.56 | Lone_Wanderer | My chai does not last nearly long enough :( |
| 17:53.10 | graphyx | chai? |
| 17:53.43 | sjansen | Stay on topic. Stay on schedule. Be polite. Present an appearance of experience and knowledge. Be humble enough to avoid saying stupid things or lying to students. Be polite to the point of gullible. |
| 17:53.51 | harleypig | Lone_Wanderer: You store wine, but not for long enough? |
| 17:54.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes. It's tea with flavorings in it. Mostly cardamom, but there's other stuff too. It is delicious beyond measure. |
| 17:54.22 | harleypig | I dunno ... I don't think I could be polite all the time. |
| 17:54.26 | harleypig | or even some of the time. |
| 17:54.41 | Lone_Wanderer | harleypig: wine? (Incidentally I do have some wine "in storage" at the moment. I have no idea whether it will age well but I figure it's worth a shot.) |
| 17:55.07 | sjansen | harleypig: You only have to be polite while interacting with students. You can blow off steam on IRC during breaks. ;-) |
| 17:55.39 | Lone_Wanderer | sjansen: What's the chance you'll be hiring in seven months? |
| 17:56.00 | harleypig | heh, except when I forget to close the window and it shows up on the projection ... |
| 17:56.11 | sjansen | Two words: lap top |
| 17:56.24 | harleypig | Or, better, the jackals in this room sound off |
| 17:56.54 | sjansen | Lone_Wanderer: *shrug* Who knows. The training industry is very cyclical, but it wouldn't surprise me if we were. |
| 17:56.56 | harleypig | sjansen: No, Hooters is good for that. |
| 17:58.18 | goozbach | harleypig: I used cheesecake |
| 17:58.27 | goozbach | I wouldn't suggest it |
| 17:58.33 | goozbach | I formed an addiction |
| 18:00.27 | herlo | they're killing kittens next door! |
| 18:03.50 | *** join/#utah ^Migs^ (n=migs@205.122.50.69) |
| 18:03.55 | sjansen | ~punish herlo |
| 18:04.01 | ibot | ACTION forces herlo to install and use Windows |
| 18:07.03 | levi | Aaaagh! |
| 18:07.24 | levi | My desk phone number apparently corresponds to some food storage company in another area code. :/ |
| 18:08.16 | sjansen | levi: Really? I'm starting to run out of freezer space. Perhaps you could help me with that? |
| 18:08.23 | harleypig | Anyone have any opinion on the (seemingly unrelated) topics of the nokia n800 and twitter? |
| 18:08.33 | levi | ~slay sjansen |
| 18:08.38 | ibot | ACTION brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, sjansen!" apt lops off sjansen's head. |
| 18:08.46 | Lone_Wanderer | harleypig: If it involves twitter, it's bad. |
| 18:08.48 | harleypig | Not being used together, though they could be ... I'm just curious about both of them. |
| 18:08.57 | harleypig | Lone_Wanderer: Why? |
| 18:09.10 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh. Good. I was afraid you wanted to get twitter on your phone so you could suffer an endless barrage of pointless drivel. |
| 18:09.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Which should also answer your "why" question. |
| 18:10.33 | harleypig | Well, the n800 isn't a phone. |
| 18:10.42 | graphyx | levi: My work desk phone number gets calls for a post office all the time |
| 18:11.15 | harleypig | It's the next generation internet tablet. |
| 18:11.30 | herlo | sjansen: that's not a threat! |
| 18:11.43 | Lone_Wanderer | next gen internet tablet? |
| 18:11.51 | graphyx | Working at sento, we had a phone number that started with 800, there was one that was 888 with the same number which was for a credit card activation line |
| 18:12.10 | graphyx | Always thought that would be the perfect time to try to steal a cc number if I was evil. |
| 18:12.31 | rsimpkins | *ick* someone replaced diet pepsi with regular pepsi in the soda fountain. |
| 18:12.48 | graphyx | Get all the info and say dang, the computer just crashed, let me transfor you to someone else and then move send them to the right number. |
| 18:12.55 | sjansen | Twitter is nothing but an excuse to further reduce one's productivity. It's an useless-info junkie's dream. |
| 18:13.14 | Lone_Wanderer | sjansen++ |
| 18:13.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh for pete's sake. |
| 18:13.38 | mrpull | rsimpkins: don't be saying regular pepsi is icky |
| 18:13.43 | mrpull | that's fighting words |
| 18:13.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Why does Nokia insist on making a retarded flash-based site that takes forever to give me the info I want? |
| 18:13.54 | rsimpkins | mrpull: it is when you are expecting diet pepsi. :) |
| 18:14.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Nokia, meet Web 2.0. It may be a gigantic load of crap, but at least it caters to people with short attention spans. |
| 18:15.28 | sjansen | harleypig: The things that most concerns me about the n800 is the way Nokia abandoned previous releases. They're used to "fire and forget" cell phone launches, instead of "support cycle" appliance launches. |
| 18:15.38 | rsimpkins | If you can make 89% of the people happy with one web monkey why would you hire 5 web monkeys to make 95% of the people happy? |
| 18:16.00 | herlo | quick, everyone get a twitter account and invite sjansen to be your friend! |
| 18:16.13 | graphyx | cause it isn't 89 and 95, its 16 and 87 |
| 18:16.37 | rsimpkins | graphyx: That's the disconnect right there. :) |
| 18:17.44 | graphyx | that reminds me of the olympics stuff up in slc, at&t had a broad band trailer showing how fast it was. |
| 18:18.07 | graphyx | I don't know exactily what they did, but I don't think I have ever seen a faster set up than that. |
| 18:18.33 | graphyx | I bet that they had client side proxies with gigs of cache in order to make it snap so. |
| 18:20.25 | harleypig | sjansen: Good points, except that they've stuck with this one for several years now. |
| 18:21.06 | harleypig | They've maintained maemo.org since the beginning and fostered growth in the development community. |
| 18:21.19 | harleypig | I mean the maemo development community. |
| 18:21.44 | harleypig | Of course, part of that may be because they don't have to much of the hard work ... it's already been done for them. |
| 18:22.25 | sjansen | http://lwn.net/Articles/229838/ |
| 18:22.27 | harleypig | Lone_Wanderer: You could check out maemo.org for a behind the scenes look. |
| 18:24.23 | levi | http://code.google.com/p/jrm-code-project/wiki/ProgrammingArt |
| 18:24.24 | brac | [jrm-code-project - Google Code] |
| 18:24.28 | harleypig | sjansen: Nokia made no bones about the 770 being a beta product. I don't see what peoples problems are. It states *on the box* that this is a beta product. |
| 18:24.52 | harleypig | admittedly in small text, but still, nokia has never stated that the 770 was a prime-time ready product. |
| 18:26.41 | sjansen | harleypig: Are you trying to convince me or yourself? |
| 18:28.24 | harleypig | ? Just commenting. I understand why people might be upset ... but it doesn't mean Nokia is doing anything unexpected. |
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| 18:28.52 | findlay | when I'm editing python in vim and I insert a `#' it jumps it to the beginning of the line. How do I prevent it from doing this? |
| 18:28.58 | spr | I live! |
| 18:30.23 | findlay | I can't find anything on this behavior in the indent/python.vim file |
| 18:32.46 | findlay | looks like I need to redefine the cinkeys and indentkeys variables |
| 18:36.09 | spr | findlay: there is a vim setting just for this. |
| 18:36.15 | spr | But my notes are still in boxes |
| 18:36.51 | graphyx | spr: you move or something? |
| 18:36.59 | emcnabb | spr: you died? |
| 18:37.04 | spr | graphyx: just did. |
| 18:37.06 | goozbach | we got a shipment of ~400 nokia 800s the other day |
| 18:37.08 | graphyx | ^Migs^: see moving isn't so hard, spr just did it. |
| 18:37.17 | graphyx | spr: where did you move to? why? |
| 18:37.19 | goozbach | love working for the government |
| 18:37.23 | spr | emcnabb: no internet for 4 days, about the same. |
| 18:37.39 | spr | I moved down to Palo Alto, I'm working for HP |
| 18:37.40 | emcnabb | spr: ouch |
| 18:37.48 | emcnabb | how's that going so far? |
| 18:37.54 | graphyx | are they paying you that well??? |
| 18:38.02 | emcnabb | graphyx: he's single |
| 18:38.10 | graphyx | I wouldn't think that it would be easy to move back into that area. |
| 18:38.14 | graphyx | that helps. |
| 18:38.28 | emcnabb | spr: so this means I'll never see you in person again :-( |
| 18:38.39 | graphyx | You are on different coasts. |
| 18:38.42 | spr | emcnabb: I've got family near where you live |
| 18:38.43 | graphyx | almost |
| 18:38.51 | emcnabb | spr: I do go out to Cali ever 6 months or so |
| 18:39.05 | emcnabb | (bay area) |
| 18:39.06 | spr | HP is paying me pretty well, and I've got a roommate |
| 18:39.07 | emcnabb | spr: what's her name? |
| 18:39.07 | levi | spr: You should look up Dan Hersam. |
| 18:39.25 | levi | spr: He's a former UUG pres, and works for HP in Palo Alto (I think). |
| 18:39.42 | spr | levi: cool. I'll have to do that |
| 18:39.55 | emcnabb | spr: now that you're not at BYU you can be wicked, and no one will know! |
| 18:39.57 | levi | spr: What are you doing there? |
| 18:39.59 | graphyx | emcnabb: Just because he acts like a girl doesn't mean that he is a girl. |
| 18:40.22 | emcnabb | graphyx: I figured he's shack up with some chick now that that honor code doesn't apply |
| 18:40.27 | graphyx | But being so close to san fran, he could be a cross dressing girl. |
| 18:40.34 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.50 | spr | I'm working on HP-UX doing system testing |
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| 18:41.44 | emcnabb | spr: you'll soon learn to hate proprietary unices |
| 18:42.08 | graphyx | You're just saying that cause he works at a competitor. |
| 18:42.11 | harleypig | spr: Does this mean you can afford oscon much easier this year? :> |
| 18:42.24 | emcnabb | graphyx: no, because I've used them, for years and years |
| 18:42.27 | spr | harleypig: yeah, they might even pay me to go :) |
| 18:42.31 | levi | http://www.aduni.org/drives/ |
| 18:42.34 | brac | [Buy Course Materials on DVD] |
| 18:43.31 | herlo | cron job for every other tuesday at 8:45 am? |
| 18:44.13 | graphyx | harleypig[A]: twitter installed already? |
| 18:44.14 | findlay | argh |
| 18:44.25 | herlo | graphyx: you have twitter? |
| 18:44.30 | findlay | why does vim have to be so difficult? |
| 18:44.31 | graphyx | no |
| 18:44.46 | herlo | graphyx: you should sign up and send sjansen a friend invite |
| 18:44.48 | graphyx | just harleypig[A]'s away message reminded me of lars |
| 18:45.02 | herlo | graphyx: I see |
| 18:48.33 | levi | Awesome! Videos of Don Knuth lecturing at Stanford on Mathematical Writing: http://scpd.stanford.edu/scpd/students/Dam_ui/pages/ArchivedVideoList56K.asp?Include=knuthMath |
| 18:54.22 | Lone_Wanderer | <3 |
| 18:55.37 | findlay | <4 |
| 18:56.48 | sjansen | graphyx: Just about anyone with experience on proprietary Unices feels that same way: Linux is less painful. |
| 18:59.47 | findlay | spr: any idea then on my indent problem? |
| 19:00.17 | spr | findlay: let me glance at my vimrc |
| 19:01.12 | spr | findlay: no luck just glancing at it. |
| 19:02.18 | findlay | I've tried redefining cinkeys and indentkeys without #, but that makes no change |
| 19:06.16 | spr | oh, here it is: |
| 19:06.21 | spr | inoremap # X<C-H># |
| 19:08.46 | findlay | that doesn't seem to work |
| 19:08.52 | findlay | oh, wait |
| 19:09.08 | findlay | forgot the X |
| 19:11.08 | findlay | thanks spr |
| 19:12.49 | goozbach | speaking of the honor code... my girlfriend can no longer be in my bedroom with me :( |
| 19:13.09 | goozbach | I'm glad that I'm not going to be living at this house for much longer |
| 19:13.34 | findlay | ~honor goozbach |
| 19:13.40 | graphyx | goozbach: You paying room and board to someone? |
| 19:13.43 | goozbach | graphyx: yeah |
| 19:13.54 | graphyx | Well I suppose that that is cheaper |
| 19:14.02 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.10 | goozbach | but it IS his house... |
| 19:14.13 | graphyx | where do you live? |
| 19:14.16 | graphyx | what do you pay? |
| 19:14.33 | goozbach | Tallahassee FL $325 |
| 19:14.38 | graphyx | ah |
| 19:14.41 | herlo | cheap |
| 19:14.47 | goozbach | very |
| 19:14.49 | graphyx | I suppose that it would be a bit out of your way to move in with herlo |
| 19:15.06 | herlo | graphyx: haha, I don't want a roommate |
| 19:15.19 | graphyx | Don't you like with chris now? |
| 19:15.23 | herlo | graphyx: I've already got one, and I tried to move out... |
| 19:15.27 | graphyx | or did your loan issue get resolved? |
| 19:15.33 | herlo | graphyx: no |
| 19:15.42 | herlo | I am Chris' flatmate |
| 19:15.43 | herlo | for now |
| 19:15.56 | graphyx | I didn't think that you were flat. |
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| 19:16.07 | herlo | graphyx: I know, but that's what they call it |
| 19:16.50 | graphyx | unless you have kept up at lardwars, you could be called a fatmate instead |
| 19:16.56 | graphyx | lol |
| 19:17.02 | graphyx | couldn't resist that one. |
| 19:17.20 | graphyx | speaking of the which, I am going to run the toad suck daze 10K race tomorrow. |
| 19:18.40 | goozbach | going through ~3 hours of logs trying to find a vague problem is NOT fun |
| 19:18.46 | goozbach | just in case you are wondering |
| 19:18.56 | graphyx | goozbach: we know that one. |
| 19:19.04 | graphyx | what type of logs? |
| 19:19.44 | rsimpkins | Okay. I'm here to force you all to do my bidding. I'll be using the dark side, so if you feel a slight choking around your neck that's me getting my sith on. |
| 19:20.13 | rsimpkins | Update your profiles on plug please: plug.org |
| 19:20.31 | goozbach | full asterisk logs |
| 19:20.35 | graphyx | I don't have a profile on plug.org. It is as up to date. |
| 19:20.50 | rsimpkins | Sorry - I EXPECT THIS BATTLESTATION TO HAVE UPDATED USER PROFILES, OR ELSE!!! |
| 19:20.56 | goozbach | "it happened sometime between 9am, and now(3pm)" |
| 19:21.04 | graphyx | ouch |
| 19:21.06 | graphyx | that is bad. |
| 19:21.13 | goozbach | "it was saying something like 'this record'" |
| 19:21.34 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.58 | graphyx | Is he setting up the asterisk 1.3 dial plan? |
| 19:22.03 | graphyx | or something? |
| 19:22.09 | rsimpkins | I added a 'working' field in the plug.org field so everyone can set their working status (full time, part time, student, etc.). |
| 19:22.33 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Is "slacking off" an option? |
| 19:22.43 | rsimpkins | jsmith: yes |
| 19:22.52 | rsimpkins | jsmith: I call that one 'Not Working' |
| 19:23.17 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.28 | rsimpkins | Also, if you have a rss feed that isn't set up please help out plug by getting it in thar. |
| 19:23.35 | jsmith | goozbach: What's the vague problem you're hunting for? |
| 19:23.49 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.56 | graphyx | oh, so a thing where they assign someone less experienced to the problem and expect you to make sure that they can get it done right? |
| 19:24.06 | goozbach | jsmith: some dialplan issue |
| 19:24.17 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.26 | jsmith | Do you have a full log? |
| 19:24.34 | jsmith | Or just the standard "messages" log? |
| 19:24.39 | goozbach | full log |
| 19:24.45 | goozbach | it's ok |
| 19:24.48 | jsmith | And was your verbosity set to at least 3? |
| 19:24.55 | goozbach | 9999 actually |
| 19:24.58 | goozbach | :) |
| 19:25.02 | rsimpkins | Humm, the dark side must not be strong with me. |
| 19:25.06 | rsimpkins | No one updated anything. |
| 19:25.07 | jsmith | If so, you should be able to search for the filename, and work backward from there |
| 19:25.35 | rsimpkins | please, pretty please, with a cherry on top? I need more data. :) |
| 19:25.47 | goozbach | that's the thing, I don't have a filename. I dont have a vauge idea as to what the recording said |
| 19:26.03 | goozbach | I don't even know if it's even a recording problem |
| 19:26.44 | goozbach | jsmith: it's a 'not enough info' problem |
| 19:27.08 | jsmith | Sounds like a layer 8 problem to me |
| 19:27.40 | goozbach | jsmith: for sure |
| 19:27.42 | graphyx | Send back a WORKFORME |
| 19:28.06 | goozbach | I'm just going to round-file the request |
| 19:28.53 | graphyx | that it what the worksforme basically is. |
| 19:30.27 | goozbach | round-file is just ignoring the request |
| 19:30.36 | goozbach | worksforme is telling them to bugger off |
| 19:32.22 | graphyx | ok fair enough |
| 19:32.24 | jsmith | goozbach: "I've looked through the logs files, and haven't been able to identify anything abnormal. If you'd like me to continue to (waste my timing and) look through the log files, it'd be helpful if you could give me a better description of the problem" |
| 19:32.53 | graphyx | I guess that they only gave a hard copy? With no reconsilatory record elsewhere? |
| 19:36.52 | goozbach | graphyx: no, it was a phone call, "this broke sometime around noon, or that's when I noticed it" |
| 19:37.17 | goozbach | where "broke" means I saw a fleeting message in the console about something about a recording |
| 19:39.57 | graphyx | Togo's ftw!!! |
| 19:40.23 | emcnabb | spr: have you officially started yet/ |
| 19:40.34 | Jayce^ | ~lart spr |
| 19:40.34 | ibot | lowers spr's priority |
| 19:40.56 | spr | emcnabb: not for a week |
| 19:42.09 | sjansen | Maybe it's because I'm young and naive but when I specify landscape layout, I expect my page to be printed in landscape. |
| 19:42.17 | spr | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 19:42.17 | ibot | slaps a compatible dib on Jayce^'s head |
| 19:42.21 | Jayce^ | sjansen, young?? |
| 19:42.25 | findlay | rsimpkins: I'm updated! |
| 19:42.25 | emcnabb | sjansen: shut your trap |
| 19:43.02 | sjansen | I mean, all I had to do was manually specify Postscript level 3 to keep the printer from dying. Manually re-enable the printer. And ignore the fact that it didn't print using the layout I requested. |
| 19:43.07 | rsimpkins | findlay: thank you sir! You will now be blessed by 10,000 lines of kernel code written in your name. |
| 19:43.14 | sjansen | Who says Linux ain't user friendly? |
| 19:43.23 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 19:43.24 | ibot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to sjansen, and goes postal |
| 19:43.39 | levi_home | rsimpkins: Do you have new fields that need to be updated or something? |
| 19:44.20 | rsimpkins | levi_home: I added an 'employment' feild I need more data for - for something I'm cooking up. |
| 19:44.25 | findlay | sjansen: didn't you know that in order to get landscape you have to AND the correct bitmask in sector 12 of your PPD file *and* in the turkish babelfish (no later than version 0.12.5) translation of the PCL? |
| 19:47.57 | levi_home | rsimpkins: What about those of us who are working full time and are students? |
| 19:48.11 | findlay | yeah |
| 19:48.32 | rsimpkins | levi_home: I figured you'd pick the one you most identify with. |
| 19:49.07 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, levi_home just doesn't fit in those linear associations... |
| 19:49.15 | Jayce^ | where's the concurrancy? |
| 19:50.45 | harleypig[A] | next to the conqueso? |
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| 19:55.07 | levi_home | Man, I need to go back to updating my blog. I like my old entries. |
| 19:56.24 | Keighvin | I'm letting mine languish until I find new employment. |
| 19:56.44 | Keighvin | Same with the novel, unfortunately - they're both being filed under "unaffordable luxuries of time." |
| 19:56.49 | *** part/#utah beandog (n=sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog) |
| 19:57.37 | Keighvin | And yet I manage to be here. :) |
| 19:58.17 | findlay | just string your irc comments together every night and call it a blog entry |
| 19:59.13 | levi_home | findlay: I wouldn't enjoy reading my old entries as much if I didn't make an effort to carefully write them. |
| 20:06.17 | rsimpkins | The RSS-feed from me seems to be broken |
| 20:06.24 | rsimpkins | The RSS-feed from herlo seems to be broken |
| 20:06.29 | rsimpkins | The RSS-feed from spr seems to be broken |
| 20:06.43 | spr | rsimpkins: you are correct |
| 20:07.05 | spr | ~cookie rsimpkins |
| 20:07.56 | rsimpkins | spr: Is it coming back any time soon? |
| 20:08.05 | spr | rsimpkins: in the next month |
| 20:08.09 | rsimpkins | k |
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| 20:12.55 | sjansen | Cringely is claiming IBM's going to lay off 100,000 people this year. My question is: how reliable is he? The only time I ever hear anything about him is when he's getting press for his outrageous claims. |
| 20:13.11 | sjansen | http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070504_002027.html |
| 20:13.13 | brac | [I, Cringely . The Pulpit . Lean and Mean | PBS] |
| 20:15.27 | jsmith | sjansen: If it's true, we'll never hear the end of it. "Linux makes people lose their jobs!" |
| 20:16.47 | graphyx | ~rot20 ht |
| 20:16.47 | ibot | bn |
| 20:18.16 | findlay | ~rot1234567890 a |
| 20:18.16 | ibot | k |
| 20:19.25 | sjansen | ~rot548976209848652 DOS |
| 20:19.25 | ibot | RCG |
| 20:19.25 | sjansen | heh |
| 20:19.25 | sjansen | Sorry, Tim. |
| 20:19.44 | findlay | ~rot-1 IBM |
| 20:20.02 | findlay | ~rot1 HAL |
| 20:20.02 | ibot | IBM |
| 20:20.06 | findlay | ooohh |
| 20:20.30 | jsmith | ~rot25 IBM |
| 20:20.30 | ibot | HAL |
| 20:20.47 | findlay | I'm guessing ibot's ~rot function isn't very optimized |
| 20:28.09 | graphyx | why? |
| 20:28.25 | graphyx | oh sjansen's trick |
| 20:28.26 | graphyx | right |
| 20:28.54 | graphyx | it should add a mod 26 in there |
| 20:29.06 | graphyx | submit a patch to tim riker |
| 20:29.24 | graphyx | see if you can get the rot function to include a back door |
| 20:32.48 | findlay | heh |
| 20:32.53 | jsmith | graphyx: Hence the reason he had it decode "DOS" |
| 20:33.48 | findlay | ~rot1337 |
| 20:34.43 | Tene | ~rot1337 rm -rf / |
| 20:34.43 | ibot | cx -cq / |
| 20:36.01 | findlay | ooohh |
| 20:36.04 | findlay | cool |
| 20:36.33 | Jayce^ | ouch, that hurts |
| 20:39.29 | Tene | Jayce^: eh? |
| 20:40.17 | Jayce^ | Tene, so your 1337 transform does stuff in emacs.. |
| 20:40.25 | Jayce^ | that means toggle the current buffer readonly, then type a / |
| 20:40.57 | findlay | which unlocks one of the emacs easter eggs |
| 20:41.10 | Tene | And why would *you* know how to use emacs? |
| 20:41.35 | Jayce^ | Tene, *I* don't.. had to ask somebody.. |
| 20:41.53 | Jayce^ | sad thing is, he immediately knew the command.. |
| 20:42.09 | Tene | You associate with *those* people? |
| 20:42.26 | Tene | ~shun Jayce^ |
| 20:42.42 | ibot | You are dead to me, Jayce^. |
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| 20:50.21 | levi | Emacs is the one true OS, and Linux is its device driver. :P |
| 20:50.34 | graphyx | herlo: jsmith: check this catan out http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/98487?size=large |
| 20:50.39 | maquis | ~rot 3.1415926535897932384626 pi |
| 20:50.39 | ibot | 3.1415926535897932384626 pi |
| 20:50.54 | maquis | ~rot 31415926535897932384626 pi |
| 20:50.54 | ibot | 31415926535897932384626 pi |
| 20:51.01 | graphyx | no space between rot and the number |
| 20:51.03 | findlay | ~rot\pi maquis |
| 20:51.17 | maquis | ~rot3.1415926535897932384626 pi |
| 20:51.18 | graphyx | ~rot3.5 pi |
| 20:51.39 | maquis | ~rot31415926535897932384626 pi |
| 20:51.40 | ibot | rk |
| 20:51.46 | maquis | that was fast |
| 20:52.04 | maquis | ~rot31415926535897932384626 this is a long sentence to see how long it takes ibot to do this |
| 20:52.04 | ibot | vjku ku c nqpi ugpvgpeg vq ugg jqy nqpi kv vcmgu kdqv vq fq vjku |
| 20:52.11 | jsmith | graphyx: That's awesome, but how much does it cost |
| 20:52.17 | graphyx | $400 |
| 20:52.41 | jsmith | graphyx: Too rich for my blood |
| 20:53.07 | graphyx | I said it was cool as in drool! not something I would ever buy though |
| 20:54.46 | findlay | graphyx: I'm guessing that before it was network lag that delayed ibot rather than computation |
| 20:55.41 | graphyx | probably |
| 20:56.14 | graphyx | since a rot of magnitude e^14 wouldn't be trivial if it were iterative. |
| 20:56.37 | findlay | -say stuff |
| 20:57.29 | graphyx | ~say other stuf |
| 20:57.41 | ibot | other stuf |
| 20:57.41 | graphyx | -chat about say stuff |
| 20:57.41 | brac | say stuff he did some car stuff, too. |
| 20:58.07 | graphyx | -chat about ~gender |
| 20:58.07 | brac | ~gender did |
| 20:58.09 | ibot | I heard did is lesbian. |
| 20:58.38 | graphyx | ~say -say ~say |
| 20:58.40 | ibot | -say ~say |
| 20:58.47 | graphyx | -chat about ~say -say |
| 20:58.47 | brac | ~say -say ~say |
| 20:58.49 | ibot | -say ~say |
| 20:59.06 | findlay | alas, brac has no say funftion |
| 20:59.10 | graphyx | ~say -chat about ~say -chat |
| 20:59.12 | ibot | -chat about ~say -chat |
| 20:59.12 | findlay | s/f/c/g |
| 20:59.12 | brac | ~say -chat about Linux |
| 20:59.14 | ibot | -chat about Linux |
| 20:59.15 | brac | Linux did |
| 20:59.42 | graphyx | ~say -chat about ~say -chat about ~say -chat about |
| 20:59.44 | ibot | -chat about ~say -chat about ~say -chat about |
| 20:59.44 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 20:59.53 | findlay | -chat about Linux XP |
| 20:59.53 | brac | Linux XP on a single ethernet in mind, I'll be working on it |
| 20:59.59 | graphyx | ~say -chat about ~say -chat |
| 21:00.01 | ibot | -chat about ~say -chat |
| 21:00.02 | brac | ~say -chat about ~say -chat about ~say -chat about ~say -chat about Linux |
| 21:00.04 | ibot | -chat about ~say -chat about ~say -chat about ~say -chat about Linux |
| 21:00.05 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 21:00.11 | findlay | heh |
| 21:00.13 | graphyx | drat |
| 21:00.19 | graphyx | I almost had a recursion goinf |
| 21:00.27 | graphyx | but I muddied the waters eretnally |
| 21:00.38 | Jayce^ | and not just the bots |
| 21:00.43 | findlay | but, you've stumbled upon the solution to the halting problem! |
| 21:01.09 | graphyx | ah come on Jayce^, cant you celebrate a clever hack? |
| 21:01.20 | Jayce^ | sure.. for the first two lines :-p |
| 21:01.28 | graphyx | I had to get it right. |
| 21:01.38 | graphyx | once done it isn't clever |
| 21:01.40 | graphyx | any more |
| 21:01.51 | graphyx | anyways ttyl |
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| 21:11.00 | atoponce | i don't know why i bother going into ##javascript |
| 21:11.00 | atoponce | it's the most worthless channel |
| 21:11.00 | atoponce | all i want to know, is how to circumvent the same origin policy in javascript |
| 21:11.00 | atoponce | any ideas? |
| 21:13.12 | levi | Beats me. Why are you trying to circumvent it? |
| 21:13.51 | sjansen | atoponce: It's there for a reason. I've seen browser specific methods, but most require the files be stored locally on the client machine. |
| 21:13.53 | atoponce | i'm developing locally, and need access to xmlhttprequests on my server |
| 21:14.14 | atoponce | i understand why it's implemented |
| 21:14.18 | findlay | are you writing raw javascript? |
| 21:14.46 | sjansen | How about running a pass-through proxy locally? |
| 21:14.49 | atoponce | i'm not, actually. i'm taking advantage of functions in the dojo toolkit |
| 21:15.18 | sjansen | The advantage of using a proxy is your app will more closely resemble the final version. |
| 21:15.33 | findlay | so dojo doesn't provide what you need? |
| 21:15.56 | atoponce | findlay: it does. it's just that dojo is residing on the server, and i'm developing locally |
| 21:15.58 | sjansen | findlay: How would you propose dojo do it? |
| 21:16.36 | atoponce | findlay: basically, i want to post form data to the server from my local machine- a security no-no |
| 21:16.40 | findlay | I don't know. I'm just asking general questions in the hope it would be helpful |
| 21:16.41 | sjansen | A JS file from one source can't access data from another source. |
| 21:17.13 | atoponce | hmm. maybe i'll just have to throw everything on the server. |
| 21:17.19 | atoponce | <grumble grumble> |
| 21:17.30 | findlay | can't you run the server locally? |
| 21:17.57 | atoponce | findlay: i can, but it won't match the domain |
| 21:18.22 | Tene | atoponce: perhaps an ssh tunnel from your local box to the server, and then add an entry in /etc/hosts pointing the domain name to your local box? |
| 21:18.24 | findlay | well, you could always use nfs or simmilar to have a pseudo local feel |
| 21:19.01 | atoponce | Tene: that's an idea. i'll try that |
| 21:23.16 | findlay | Tene: what's the ssh tunnel part for? |
| 21:23.37 | Tene | findlay: to pass the traffic from his local box to the server. |
| 21:23.42 | Tene | s/pass/route/ |
| 21:23.54 | findlay | http traffic? |
| 21:23.59 | Tene | findlay: yes |
| 21:24.24 | findlay | but why would you then forward the domain name back to the local box? |
| 21:25.32 | Tene | findlay: the problem is that the javascript needs to talk to his server but the browser doesn't let the javascript access another box, only the same box. |
| 21:25.47 | findlay | ah |
| 21:26.07 | Tene | the server requires that the hostname in the request is correct |
| 21:26.19 | sjansen | Yes, but an SSH tunnel could be used as a lousy proxy to make it look local. |
| 21:26.55 | sjansen | Apache + mod_proxy + /etc/hosts = et. voila. |
| 21:27.07 | Tene | Yeah. |
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| 21:58.56 | atoponce | question question question on ssl certs |
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| 21:58.59 | atoponce | we have a signed certificate from godaddy, yet, the browser complains about it |
| 21:59.51 | atoponce | why is this? |
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| 21:59.56 | sjansen | Because the browser is missing the root CA cert that signed your cert. |
| 21:59.56 | atoponce | the root ca cert? |
| 22:00.35 | sjansen | Maybe because you bought a cheap cert. Maybe because you're using an old browser. Maybe because someone messed up. |
| 22:00.35 | atoponce | don't i just need the key and the cert? |
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| 22:00.37 | atoponce | "Could not verify this certificate for unknown reasons." |
| 22:00.51 | sjansen | Certificate authorities like Verisign and GoDaddy pay to have their cert pre-installed in your browser. They then use their cert to sign your cert. Because your browser recognizes the signature, it trusts it. |
| 22:01.32 | atoponce | issued to players.introplay.com, issued by godaddy, validity 04/23/2007-04/23/2009... |
| 22:01.35 | sjansen | Not all certs are created equal and if you go with the cheapest possible, not all browsers will trust your cert. |
| 22:02.01 | sjansen | "unknown reasons"? That almost sounds like the file is corrupt. |
| 22:03.57 | atoponce | that's what i thought, but all the data is there |
| 22:04.04 | atoponce | it all checks out |
| 22:04.51 | sjansen | *shrug* Who knows what it could be with such a vague error. Maybe a different browser will have a more useful message. |
| 22:10.28 | morgoth | drat, it's taken |
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| 22:30.32 | nick125_lappy | Did we just netsplit before I got online? |
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| 22:30.33 | atoponce | there's anotherone coming |
| 22:30.34 | atoponce | it's going to affect about 7200 users |
| 22:30.34 | atoponce | it's a europe thing |
| 22:31.28 | atoponce | one of their leaf servers went offline, and i think they got a new one |
| 22:31.28 | scott_ | What would you do if ldconfig -v listed a library but ldd programname said it couldn't find it? |
| 22:38.23 | nick125_lappy | Let's go to candy mountain! |
| 22:38.42 | nick125_lappy | http://youtube.com/watch?v=w7vrjwwOCxc |
| 22:39.10 | levi | Shun the unbeliever! Shuuuuuuuuunnnnnn! |
| 22:39.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Charlie! Charlie! Let's go to Candy Mountain! |
| 22:40.34 | findlay | scott_: probably reinstall the package that provides the library |
| 22:41.10 | nick125_lappy | Go inside the candy mountain cave, Charlie! |
| 22:42.05 | Lone_Wanderer | noooo |
| 22:42.23 | Lone_Wanderer | flight cancelled because of weather :'( |
| 22:45.57 | mrpull | weather? where are you? |
| 22:46.02 | mrpull | (or where are you going?) |
| 22:46.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Salt Lake |
| 22:46.07 | Lone_Wanderer | west jordan |
| 22:46.21 | mrpull | ahhh... muni airport? |
| 22:46.29 | scott_ | findlay: and if that doesn't work? |
| 22:46.35 | Lone_Wanderer | no, it's a helicopter thing |
| 22:46.57 | findlay | scott_: then your package that requires the missing library is broken |
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| 22:50.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Now I want a ringtone from Charlie the Unicorn. |
| 22:50.42 | nick125_lappy | Lone_Wanderer: Me too |
| 22:50.59 | Lone_Wanderer | That just says Chaarrlieeeee |
| 22:51.03 | nick125_lappy | Too bad my phone won't use MP3s for ringtones without an addition package |
| 22:51.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Well now that I'm not going flying, what should I do? |
| 22:51.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Besides learn erlang. |
| 22:51.48 | Lone_Wanderer | (I already did that.) |
| 22:52.20 | suspence | While you're talking phones, know anybody who has/is going to buy an openmoko? |
| 22:53.28 | suspence | I've seen riker in there a few times. |
| 22:53.41 | Keighvin | redbeard2 was scoping one out for a while, iirc. |
| 22:53.48 | suspence | Wonder if he is thinking of developing for it. |
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| 22:54.20 | suspence | I am all for the concept. Just trying to justify the 350 bones to pick one up. |
| 22:54.52 | suspence | And trying to decide if I will really have any time to do anything with it before the final public release. |
| 22:56.22 | nick125_lappy | the thing that kind of pushes me away from the openmoko is the GPRS radio |
| 22:56.56 | suspence | What would you favor? |
| 22:57.53 | nick125_lappy | EDGE, or even 3G would be nice |
| 22:58.22 | suspence | It is a start and what my company account has, so I'm willing to give it a whirl. |
| 22:58.44 | suspence | I'm sure they are looking to expand if they can find the technology at the right price. |
| 22:59.28 | suspence | Like so many FOSS wishes, it may only be a matter of time. |
| 22:59.59 | suspence | It will be interesting to see how it takes off and where it all goes. |
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| 23:13.04 | herlo | rsimpkins: you mentioned my rss feed was borked? I don't see anything wrong with it... |
| 23:13.04 | synic | herlo: YOU'RE borked. |
| 23:13.25 | rsimpkins | herlo: let me see.... |
| 23:13.51 | rsimpkins | The RSS-feed from herlo seems to be broken |
| 23:14.05 | rsimpkins | The RSS-feed from herlo seems to be broken, due to an error "no element found" on line 1. |
| 23:14.21 | herlo | rsimpkins: on which site? |
| 23:14.25 | rsimpkins | http://www.utos.org/feed/ |
| 23:14.30 | herlo | oh |
| 23:15.01 | rsimpkins | Would you like me to update it? |
| 23:15.42 | herlo | rsimpkins: huh, I don't see anything wrong, though I am viewing it with firefox |
| 23:16.04 | rsimpkins | For some reason the drupal aggregator doesn't like http://www.utos.org/feed/. Maybe a bug in drupal? |
| 23:16.13 | herlo | could be |
| 23:16.26 | rsimpkins | maybe because it returns a page as well. |
| 23:16.37 | rsimpkins | In opera it returns HTML as well. Not just the feed. |
| 23:16.52 | herlo | use this: http://feeds.feedburner.com/UtahOpenSourceConference |
| 23:16.53 | rsimpkins | same in firefox for me. |
| 23:17.19 | herlo | hmm |
| 23:17.34 | herlo | firefox renders the rss in html, but its still of xml |
| 23:18.16 | herlo | oh, I bet I know why |
| 23:18.24 | herlo | Zelut probably changed that... |
| 23:20.44 | rsimpkins | herlo: that full link seemed to work better. |
| 23:20.57 | rsimpkins | herlo: 4 items28 sec ago |
| 23:21.05 | nick125_lappy | I now have this set as my ringtone: http://www.filmcow.com/files/thecandycave.mp3 |
| 23:21.12 | rsimpkins | http://plug.org/aggregator/sources/12 |
| 23:23.03 | rsimpkins | herlo: thanks for the update. :) |
| 23:25.15 | Tene | http://richarddawkins.net/article%2c945%2cScene-Caused-by-Christian-Group-at-NYC-Stage-Show%2cMike-Daisey |
| 23:25.19 | brac | [RichardDawkins.net - The Official Richard Dawkins Website] |
| 23:25.34 | rsimpkins | nick125_lappy: That's now officially the most annoying song evar! |
| 23:25.46 | rsimpkins | OMG PONIES!!!!!1!11111loloL!!elventyen!!!!! |
| 23:29.43 | nick125_lappy | lol |
