| 00:22.22 | nick125_lappy | In cpan, how do I specify a specific version of a module? |
| 00:23.29 | nick125_lappy | (or does anyone know of a decent irssi script for mpd?) |
| 00:24.12 | Tene | there's one called "impd" |
| 00:24.14 | Tene | oslt |
| 00:31.18 | nick125_lappy | Anyone here know of a light-weight CMS that I can get up and running fairly quickly (it's going to be temporary until I have the time to get a django-powered site up) |
| 00:31.21 | nick125_lappy | ? |
| 00:32.24 | beandog | wordpress? |
| 00:32.38 | elg | raw html |
| 00:32.38 | nick125_lappy | I'm looking more for a CMS then a blog.. |
| 00:32.42 | elg | or something like markdown |
| 00:32.49 | nick125_lappy | elg: Still would take too much time, sadly |
| 00:32.51 | Tene | blosxom? |
| 00:32.52 | elg | maruku |
| 00:33.12 | elg | maruku + make |
| 00:33.27 | elg | and as much css as you have time for |
| 00:33.28 | elg | http://maruku.rubyforge.org/ |
| 00:33.29 | brac | [Maruku: a Markdown-superset interpreter] |
| 00:33.41 | elg | hint, steal from one of those css contests |
| 00:33.47 | elg | or that opendesign thing |
| 00:34.47 | nick125_lappy | I just need something to throw up for a week or so |
| 00:35.01 | nick125_lappy | preferably something I could throw up in 20 minutes |
| 00:35.20 | Tene | mediawiki |
| 00:35.54 | elg | you seriously don't know any textual markup languages? |
| 00:36.04 | elg | markdown, textile, etc.? if you just need a few static pages there's nothing faster |
| 00:36.16 | elg | well, except maybe frontpage or dreamweaver :) |
| 00:36.33 | nick125_lappy | elg: Frontpage isn't any faster. |
| 00:36.48 | elg | ok, you're right. just uglier |
| 00:36.52 | nick125_lappy | You have to include the hospital visit after you try to commit suicide trying to use the thing. |
| 00:36.57 | elg | faster per output character ;-) |
| 00:39.16 | nick125_lappy | I was also hoping for something with a layout included (this weekend, I'm planning on whipping something up in django) |
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| 00:40.10 | elg | see the css contents, or open design |
| 00:40.29 | elg | it's easy to tag the pieces with class |
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| 00:40.33 | elg | and magic layout |
| 00:40.39 | elg | is within your grasp |
| 00:40.48 | elg | http://www.oswd.org |
| 00:40.49 | brac | [Open Source Web Design - Download free web design templates.] |
| 00:41.15 | nick125_lappy | One issue with oswd is I can't find a decent design that'd I want to use |
| 00:41.39 | nick125_lappy | I am looking at this miniamlistic 3 color design: http://www.oswd.org/design/preview/id/3533 |
| 00:41.41 | brac | [Open Source Web Design - Preview - Simple3color] |
| 00:41.54 | elg | i thought this was temporary? |
| 00:42.11 | elg | you could spend hours choosing a design. pick one. at random |
| 00:42.21 | nick125_lappy | Well, I might just decide to do something real quick in django, then expand on that |
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| 00:45.39 | elg | i'll |
| 00:45.40 | elg | have |
| 00:45.41 | elg | a |
| 00:45.45 | elg | blue keyboard |
| 00:45.47 | elg | without you |
| 00:46.24 | nick125_lappy | The more and more that I think of it, the time I get a premade CMS up and semi-decently setup, I could have a basic django-based system done.. |
| 00:46.32 | elg | yup |
| 00:46.50 | elg | assuming you know something about django and python and html and ... |
| 00:47.15 | nick125_lappy | I do know a lot about python, quite a bit about django, an "okay" amount of HTML and CSS |
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| 01:01.22 | tensai | Newsome: shoot. I thought of some question about hard drives that I thought would be right up your alley but now I can't remember it. |
| 01:02.12 | Newsome | hmm...well, then the answer is ... |
| 01:02.28 | bluekb | elg, oookay |
| 01:02.33 | graphyx | Newsome: How are you doing these days? |
| 01:02.41 | Newsome | doing great |
| 01:02.47 | tensai | optimizing based on something something. dang. it was a really good one too. |
| 01:02.56 | graphyx | seems that your trolling of SCOX is non as time intensive as it has been in the past. |
| 01:03.07 | bluekb | Are people from the state to the north welcome? |
| 01:03.39 | nick125_lappy | graphyx: Speaking of SCOX, I found a copy of SCO UnixWare today. |
| 01:04.09 | Newsome | definitely less time dedicated to SCOX |
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| 01:04.24 | graphyx | nick125_lappy: Did it burn the flesh when you picked it up? |
| 01:04.32 | Newsome | however, I'm still doing a bit behind the scenes at Groklaw |
| 01:05.10 | graphyx | anything you care to share? |
| 01:05.36 | nick125_lappy | graphyx: I wanted to smash the disk on the ground and set it on fire, but, I didn't have a can of lighter fluid and a match handy :( |
| 01:06.03 | Newsome | lets just say that in the past 4 years, PJ still doesn't really know how to scp a file up to a server... |
| 01:06.42 | graphyx | Well you have to give them credit for what they do do. |
| 01:07.01 | levi_home | Mmm, the Target brand of Ginger Beer is pretty good. |
| 01:07.27 | Newsome | she can write about the law and the filings, but I suppose I can help her upload files |
| 01:07.53 | graphyx | what came of the recent subpeneas ? |
| 01:08.15 | Sargun | Newsome, Who is PJ? |
| 01:08.38 | Newsome | Pamela Jones - http://groklaw.net/ |
| 01:09.14 | nick125_lappy | graphyx: I also felt satan trying to take over my soul while I was holding it.. |
| 01:09.36 | graphyx | heh the entire start of the sco thing might have been before you learned to type Sargun |
| 01:09.43 | Newsome | haha |
| 01:09.44 | graphyx | nick125_lappy: wow |
| 01:09.58 | graphyx | I mean it has been 4 years |
| 01:10.03 | graphyx | that is 25% of his life |
| 01:10.16 | Sargun | graphyx, It was, IIRC |
| 01:10.32 | Sargun | Oh |
| 01:10.56 | Sargun | Oh, yeah, Pamela Jones -- the human that SCO accused of being a lawyer. |
| 01:11.17 | nick125_lappy | They accused her of not existing, Sargun. |
| 01:11.17 | Sargun | of IBM |
| 01:11.32 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, I thought they said she was an IBM lawyer |
| 01:11.37 | Sargun | or she was IbM |
| 01:11.38 | Sargun | er |
| 01:11.39 | Sargun | IBM |
| 01:11.48 | graphyx | right |
| 01:11.51 | Newsome | take your pick for the day |
| 01:11.58 | nick125_lappy | I think they said she was IBM PR |
| 01:12.02 | graphyx | but in the end they have the same ties to IBM that she does. |
| 01:14.01 | graphyx | Newsome: so other than the whole sco thing, you get any perks for your services there? |
| 01:15.11 | Newsome | perks? |
| 01:15.22 | graphyx | I dunno |
| 01:15.33 | graphyx | free legal consulting ? |
| 01:15.46 | Newsome | heh, no nothing like that I guess |
| 01:15.50 | jsmith | She's a paralegal, not a lawyer... she's not allowed to give advice |
| 01:16.00 | graphyx | that is true |
| 01:16.16 | graphyx | but sometimes just having the relevant laws in help enough. |
| 01:20.51 | herlo | holy moly, I can build a Fedora 7 live-cd w00t! |
| 01:21.21 | graphyx | is this new? |
| 01:21.22 | jsmith | herlo: Build me a PPC one, would you please? |
| 01:21.43 | jsmith | herlo: I'm assuming you mean Fedora7Test4, right? |
| 01:21.51 | herlo | jsmith: yeah |
| 01:22.18 | herlo | I think I'd have to have the ppc sources, but its easy to do. I'll be posting to my blog on how to do it... |
| 01:22.21 | graphyx | Well I should hear back from L-3 tis week |
| 01:22.31 | herlo | graphyx: nice |
| 01:22.33 | graphyx | potentially tomorrow or monday |
| 01:22.47 | graphyx | I am getting a bit restless in anticipation. |
| 01:27.18 | nick125_lappy | This song is really weird: JT Bruce - Hypnic Jerk |
| 01:46.08 | herlo | jsmith: errors are preventing me ATM |
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| 02:31.58 | nick125_lappy | Yay, I finally got that site whipped up |
| 02:32.21 | nick125_lappy | only took about an hour and a half (including fighting with py-libmpdclient) |
| 02:34.52 | Sargun | ???????? |
| 02:34.55 | Sargun | ??????? ??! |
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| 02:35.36 | elg | grumble |
| 02:35.48 | elg | my mac wakes up and the keyboard and trackpad just don't work |
| 02:35.50 | elg | that's no fun |
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| 02:38.04 | jsmith | elg: When mine does that, I type "modprobe -r appletouch; modprobe appletouch" |
| 02:38.16 | jsmith | elg: But then again, you're probably running OS X |
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| 02:41.02 | levi_home | So, anyone watch Glen Beck's Headline News special on the 'global warming scare'? |
| 02:42.23 | elg | jsmith: I booted into linux, no different |
| 02:42.29 | elg | usb keyboard/mouse work fine |
| 02:42.38 | jsmith | elg: I'd blame the hardware then |
| 02:42.44 | elg | yeah, looking like it |
| 02:42.51 | jsmith | AppleCare? |
| 02:42.55 | elg | ya |
| 02:42.58 | jsmith | levi_home: No, why? |
| 02:43.01 | elg | but they're closed. have to call tomorrow |
| 02:43.18 | elg | and no doubt it's going to be a mail-in me-without-my-laptop situation |
| 02:43.26 | jsmith | elg: I seem to remember something in the back of my brain about an Apple update that caused that problem |
| 02:43.33 | elg | which means I'm going to ahve to fight with simulink in the lab. gag |
| 02:43.33 | jsmith | elg: And a non-obvious workaround |
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| 02:43.57 | elg | no updates. I just closed the lid, came home, and opened the lid and it didn't work. |
| 02:44.03 | elg | i've rebooted, taken out the battery, reset the SMC |
| 02:44.28 | elg | booted linux... nada. most likely hardware at this point, though I wouldn't put it past a firmware issue |
| 02:44.36 | elg | checked for firmware updates too |
| 02:44.50 | levi_home | jsmith: I just finished watching it with my wife. |
| 02:44.58 | elg | maybe my prof will let me do the lab in a sane language... maybe erlang :) |
| 02:45.07 | jsmith | levi_home: And? |
| 02:45.09 | elg | i've got the other laptop, but it doesn't have matlab/simulink is the thing |
| 02:45.26 | jsmith | What, octave doesn't cut it for you? |
| 02:45.32 | elg | yes it does |
| 02:45.46 | elg | but octave doesn't have this horrid thing called simulink |
| 02:45.46 | levi_home | jsmith: Well, I don't think he said a whole heck of a lot. And I think it was funny how he kept referring to 'the media' as if it was someone else. |
| 02:46.17 | elg | "the media" is always everyone but present company :) |
| 02:46.24 | jsmith | Well, he's not part of the media "elite", because he's not liberal enough... or at least that's what he'll tell you |
| 02:46.26 | levi_home | jsmith: The take-home message seemed to be, 'don't panic!' and continue to be good capitalists. :) |
| 02:46.43 | jsmith | Eat drink and be merry ,for tomorrow we fry? |
| 02:46.47 | levi_home | jsmith: Yet he had a huge segment on a major media network. Hmm. |
| 02:47.08 | jsmith | Makes you think, doesn't it? |
| 02:47.21 | SunSparc | Anyone know of a SLES10 online install source (FTP or HTTP) for extra packages? |
| 02:47.33 | elg | if you want something more chewable about "global warming panic", check out http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2007-03-04-1.html |
| 02:48.30 | levi_home | jsmith: Well, he mostly ranted about the Kyoto Protocol, then talked with some dissenting scientists about how they've been hushed, poked at Al Gore and his movie a bit, and then came around and told us we should fight global warming by buying cool electric cars and solar homes. |
| 02:49.27 | jsmith | I bought some compact flourescent lightbulbs today, even though if I broke one the mercury alone would cause there to be another SuperFund disaster |
| 02:49.43 | Tene | SuperFund? |
| 02:50.57 | elg | actually the mercury produced by the coal plant to power your incandescent bulb is greater than that in a cfl bulb |
| 02:51.11 | elg | just don't lick it when you break one |
| 02:51.31 | elg | I used to have some pet mercury in my desk in 2nd or 3rd grade |
| 02:51.41 | elg | the little beads would roll around |
| 02:51.45 | elg | and generally were pretty cool |
| 02:51.50 | elg | hopefully I don't die now that I've told you |
| 02:52.11 | levi_home | elg: No wonder you're so crazy now! |
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| 02:58.54 | SunSparc | Let me ask a more general question. Anyone here use SuSE? |
| 03:01.04 | elg | only when I have to at school |
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| 03:04.59 | SunSparc | elg: :) |
| 03:05.05 | Keighvin | I've used it extensively at work. |
| 03:11.27 | SunSparc | Ah, I found it. http://download.novell.com/ |
| 03:11.36 | SunSparc | Forgot about that part of the site. |
| 03:25.40 | Keighvin | I've also used OpenSuSE, and liked that. |
| 03:26.37 | nick125_lappy | http://fur.nick125.com/ < yaya |
| 03:33.33 | nick125_lappy | Took more time fighting with MPD and finding a template than to actually write the django code for the site |
| 03:39.04 | nick125_lappy | any comments? |
| 03:41.33 | vontrapp | mmm, shiny cookies |
| 03:43.08 | nick125_lappy | Just an FYI, I wouldn't mind if someone would actually listen to my station. Really, I wouldn't! |
| 03:43.11 | nick125_lappy | ;-) |
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| 04:06.00 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, What kinda banwidth is that going over? |
| 04:06.22 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: Why? |
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| 04:07.42 | Sargun | Well, rather, how many users can you support |
| 04:08.22 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: It depends (first, it'd depend on which stream they use, and, it would never be a consistant amount since its using Ogg VBR) |
| 04:10.54 | nick125_lappy | Currently, its on my home DSL line |
| 04:10.59 | Sargun | You have quite a bit of upstream |
| 04:11.29 | Sargun | or icecast is doing its neat little active content degragation thing |
| 04:12.42 | nick125_lappy | That's really not pushing much traffic.. |
| 04:12.54 | nick125_lappy | about 500kbit |
| 04:13.04 | Sargun | you have 768 max |
| 04:13.10 | nick125_lappy | 896kbit |
| 04:13.56 | Sargun | nick125, its down |
| 04:15.27 | Sargun | :-) |
| 04:18.16 | Sargun | hahaha |
| 04:18.20 | Sargun | DoS |
| 04:18.23 | Sargun | babie |
| 04:18.42 | Sargun | I stopped it |
| 04:18.43 | Sargun | its ok now! |
| 04:18.57 | nick125_lappy | Thanks for bringing up the fact I need to ban wget |
| 04:19.42 | Sargun | haha |
| 04:19.44 | nick125_lappy | And thanks for actually testing how many clients I can support |
| 04:19.44 | Sargun | I stopped |
| 04:20.05 | Sargun | No problem |
| 04:20.14 | nick125_lappy | :p |
| 04:20.23 | nick125_lappy | About 15 listeners at Q4 |
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| 04:24.36 | nick125_lappy | I really like Ogg/Vorbis VBR |
| 04:25.14 | nick125_lappy | It saves bandwidth while still preserving quality |
| 04:27.28 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, ban per host |
| 04:27.34 | Sargun | Higher quality |
| 04:27.36 | Sargun | Q7 |
| 04:27.40 | Sargun | Q666 |
| 04:28.05 | nick125_lappy | The source music is only Q8 |
| 04:28.19 | nick125_lappy | At the moment, Q7 would use too much b/w |
| 04:28.47 | nick125_lappy | (around 225kbit per stream) |
| 04:29.51 | nick125_lappy | If anything, I would bump it to Q5 (Ogg/Vorbis supposely reaches transparency at Q5) |
| 04:30.21 | Sargun | where are you stealing the music from? |
| 04:30.35 | nick125_lappy | I'm using creative commons music from various sources |
| 04:30.46 | nick125_lappy | some from jamendo, some from IRC |
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| 04:59.33 | Sargun | jsmith, hey |
| 04:59.43 | jsmith | Hey Sargun |
| 04:59.44 | Sargun | jsmith, Where are you jsmith |
| 05:07.42 | tensai | why must my laptop hate me so? |
| 05:07.42 | jsmith | tensai: It hates you because you love it |
| 05:07.44 | tensai | I think the hard drive is failing for a second time. the laptop is only 8 months old I think. |
| 05:08.06 | jsmith | That's not so cool. |
| 05:08.36 | tensai | I've had really poor luck with workstations over the last year |
| 05:09.03 | tensai | I've had 4 failure on 4 separate machine. this would be the first repeat. |
| 05:10.15 | tensai | the one bright spot is that I've learned to make prudigious use of backups |
| 05:11.12 | jsmith | w00t! |
| 05:11.19 | jsmith | ~cheer for backups |
| 05:11.31 | ibot | ACTION cheers for backups on |
| 05:11.53 | jsmith | -chat about backups are |
| 05:11.54 | brac | backups are a couple hours a week at 10 MPH (9 KT) (direction ... |
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| 07:12.09 | harleypig | Is there a way I can include an already defined style in a new style? E.g. <style>.fixed { position: fixed } ... #specifictag { include fixed here ; other styles } |
| 07:13.49 | Tene | in css? No. |
| 07:14.38 | harleypig | That's a serious deficiency. IMNSHO |
| 07:14.57 | harleypig | Bummer |
| 07:21.27 | harleypig | Tene: Looks like there is a bassackward way to do it. |
| 07:21.52 | harleypig | .fixed, #specifictag { position: fixed } ... #specifictag { other styles } |
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| 07:31.43 | Tene | *nod* |
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| 13:05.14 | herlo | http://www.7is7.com/software/firefox/bankcard.html - now that's cool |
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| 13:07.58 | ^Migs^ | oh man, this Google theme is cool. It shows the weather and stuff. |
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| 13:24.09 | ^Migs^ | the bus stop |
| 14:01.53 | levi | Morning. |
| 14:05.52 | nick125_lappy | Morning levi |
| 14:06.00 | graphyx | hey guys |
| 14:06.25 | graphyx | nick125_lappy: so did you end up going and talking to your Bishop about your recent encounter with SCO? |
| 14:07.03 | levi | ... |
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| 14:07.52 | levi | fungus is among us. |
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| 14:09.02 | nick125_lappy | graphyx: Not yet, planning on it though |
| 14:09.07 | graphyx | leave him along he is just a fun guy |
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| 14:11.31 | levi | Leave who alone? |
| 14:11.39 | graphyx | fungus: |
| 14:11.49 | levi | That was just a silly way of saying hi. |
| 14:12.03 | graphyx | I was joking as well |
| 14:12.05 | fungus | I am among you. |
| 14:12.11 | graphyx | fungus fun guy |
| 14:12.16 | graphyx | fungi |
| 14:12.26 | levi | Ah, yeah. Ha ha. :) |
| 14:12.57 | graphyx | phonetic puns have a way of being missed in pring |
| 14:13.00 | graphyx | print |
| 14:15.00 | atoponce | http://www.techasaur.us/2007/05/03/mac-vs-pc-south-park-style/ |
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| 14:20.35 | levi | Well, it had potential. If only the writers were actually funny. |
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| 14:27.03 | ks | hi |
| 14:27.54 | levi | Hello, ks |
| 14:28.09 | ks | any cobol talk |
| 14:28.19 | levi | maquis: Mmmm, candy. |
| 14:28.33 | maquis | levi: yup |
| 14:28.33 | levi | ks: Not very much. I think harleypig knows it. |
| 14:28.36 | maquis | white rabbits |
| 14:28.47 | ks | i see |
| 14:28.48 | levi | Not familiar with that candy. |
| 14:29.05 | maquis | levi: chinese |
| 14:29.07 | maquis | very good |
| 14:29.31 | levi | maquis: I'm skeptical about foreign candy. :) |
| 14:29.40 | levi | ks: You a cobol programmer? |
| 14:31.06 | ks | levi just a beginner |
| 14:31.22 | maquis | levi: i'm not... i try it all... but white rabbits are one of the only asian candies i've had that the average american likes the first time they try them |
| 14:31.22 | ks | looking for irc channel |
| 14:31.36 | maquis | ks: is there a #cobol? |
| 14:31.49 | levi | ks: Are you a Utahn? And why did you choose cobol? |
| 14:31.52 | maquis | ~dlr |
| 14:32.15 | ks | levi nope i'm not utahn :) |
| 14:32.18 | levi | maquis: DLR = Dynamic Language Runtime. It's a dynamic language layer over the .net CLR. |
| 14:32.42 | ks | just browsing the net |
| 14:33.24 | levi | Any particular reason you want to learn cobol? |
| 14:33.41 | maquis | any particular reason *anybody* would want to learn cobol? |
| 14:33.53 | ks | levi nope just writing an interface to mf |
| 14:34.06 | levi | What's mf? |
| 14:34.18 | ks | not what you all think :) |
| 14:34.30 | ks | mainframe |
| 14:34.39 | levi | Ahh, ok. |
| 14:35.33 | levi | How'd you find #utah? |
| 14:36.16 | ks | google |
| 14:36.37 | levi | Yes, but what did you search for that made you think this would be a good place to ask about Cobol? |
| 14:36.45 | ks | cobol irc |
| 14:37.01 | ks | that's peculiar , huh ? |
| 14:37.02 | levi | Ahh, must have picked up the logs of us talking about its insanity. |
| 14:37.37 | ks | maybe just figured that out , sorry for offtopic |
| 14:38.08 | levi | No problem; we're usually off whatever the supposed topic is. :) |
| 14:41.24 | graphyx | ks: More ofter than being on topic we are being friends. |
| 14:41.45 | graphyx | I don't think the offtopic hammer is ever pulled out |
| 14:42.26 | ks | i see, how do you like GWB ? |
| 14:44.39 | graphyx | Well, the temperature is republican, but there are some other view points established in here. |
| 14:44.41 | atoponce | greenwich women's basketball? |
| 14:45.14 | graphyx | atoponce: lol |
| 14:45.21 | ks | :) |
| 14:45.32 | atoponce | george washington bridge |
| 14:46.05 | atoponce | gypsum wall board |
| 14:46.11 | ks | atoponce you have last try (then you go to guantanamo) :) |
| 14:46.33 | atoponce | guantanamo water bay? |
| 14:46.49 | ks | yeah |
| 14:47.36 | graphyx | club getmo? |
| 14:48.23 | ks | sorry have to get back to work |
| 14:48.39 | ks | it was nice to chat with you, guys |
| 14:48.48 | ks | bb |
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| 15:13.22 | elg | i'm at the bookstore getting a keyboard and all they have are these $60-$70 wireless kb/mouse combos, and the apple keyboards |
| 15:13.42 | elg | these apple things look ugly, but they do take up the least desk space, and the least money |
| 15:13.50 | elg | any opinions on them? do they type ok? |
| 15:14.13 | elg | is the curving shape ergonomic or gimmick? |
| 15:14.17 | Jayce^ | some people adore them for their size.. I can't stand them because of the same (need a big natural keyboard) |
| 15:14.30 | levi | I typed on mine just fine when I had the eMac. |
| 15:14.44 | levi | It wasn't anything special, but it wasn't particularly bad. |
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| 15:15.32 | elg | lukfugl: how do you like/hate your mac keyboard? |
| 15:16.07 | elg | it would be an easier choice if the combo ones weren't logitechs, or if they had a small form factor. that would push me one way or the other |
| 15:16.25 | lukfugl | keyboard's ok. there are bits about it that I'd rearrange, but that's true of almost any keyboard |
| 15:17.32 | levi | Living in the tiny spaces that I tend to, the small size of the keyboard was a great feature. |
| 15:18.11 | lukfugl | I do enjoy the small form factor |
| 15:18.45 | Jayce^ | I have large hands for my height, and with my bad posture I really notice if I have a small keyboard, hands cramp up too often.. I'll always lean towards the larger, natural keyboard |
| 15:19.17 | elg | well the keys ar standard size, t's just the built-in wrist rest etc. |
| 15:19.23 | Jayce^ | ah |
| 15:19.36 | elg | this demo one is stickng a lot. but it's a demo... hard to say |
| 15:20.39 | elg | i care most about the "action" (to borrow a piano term) |
| 15:20.39 | lukfugl | I haven't had any sticky problems with mine |
| 15:20.39 | Jayce^ | on mine they are a touch larger, and then there is the middle space |
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| 15:20.41 | Jayce^ | yeah, I know a few guys like the tactile feel of the apple keyboard, and they are coming from old "clicky" boards |
| 15:20.45 | lukfugl | and the action is good (IMO) -- nice solid feel, but not with too much back-pressure |
| 15:20.54 | elg | i like back pressure |
| 15:21.03 | lukfugl | elg: some, but not too much |
| 15:21.12 | elg | i like a click (both audio and tactile) to let me know I've pressed a key |
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| 15:21.32 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 15:21.32 | ibot | plops Jayce^ into a giant vat of herring |
| 15:21.36 | Jayce^ | -lart Keighvin |
| 15:21.45 | Keighvin | ~whaleslap redbeard2 |
| 15:21.48 | ibot | ACTION beats redbeard2 upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 15:21.48 | lukfugl | the keyboard I'm using now at work has more backpressure than the apple, and is a little more enjoyable for it, but the apple one has sufficient |
| 15:21.50 | elg | i like the feel of the ol' ibm and dell 'boards, and the macbook kb is good too |
| 15:21.59 | redbeard2 | ~whaleparry Keighvin |
| 15:22.03 | ibot | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Keighvin's attacks. |
| 15:22.03 | elg | lukfugl: what do you have at work? |
| 15:22.11 | Keighvin | ~whalecounter redbeard2 |
| 15:22.15 | lukfugl | mircosoft |
| 15:22.20 | lukfugl | don't know the model number |
| 15:22.34 | elg | so logitech-bilt :) |
| 15:22.34 | lukfugl | it's one of the ergonomic ones (split in the middle, etc.) |
| 15:22.35 | Keighvin | Hm... Maybe that wasn't the one. |
| 15:22.42 | Keighvin | ~whaleriposte redbeard2 |
| 15:22.44 | ibot | ACTION follows a parry by riposting redbeard2's attack with an aerodynamic whale called Mickey |
| 15:22.55 | Jayce^ | ~break redbeard2's old dumb keyboard |
| 15:23.13 | Keighvin | Although, technically that would be redbeard2's move, not mine. |
| 15:23.20 | redbeard2 | Jayce^: it's pretty much already broken |
| 15:23.33 | Jayce^ | has been for years, hasn't stopped you from using it though |
| 15:24.11 | elg | think I'll go with the logitech. nobody's raving about the apple, and i've already got the happy hacking kb at home for the small form factor angle |
| 15:24.27 | elg | and evryone can use more radio iwavevs |
| 15:24.33 | elg | and this demo didn't impress me |
| 15:24.39 | elg | ciao |
| 15:24.41 | lukfugl | elg: is that a roll up one, or just small? |
| 15:24.47 | lukfugl | I can't stand the roll up ones |
| 15:24.55 | Keighvin | iwavevs? |
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| 15:28.46 | levi | Hmm, apparently Dan Ingalls is working at Sun Labs on a project called Flair for... web application development. |
| 15:32.55 | levi | Here's a blog article with an interesting bit of math and some Scala code: http://cgordon.blogspot.com/2007/04/hello-scala-reservoir-sampling.html |
| 15:42.22 | levi | Scoring bowling with Haskell: http://www.randomhacks.net/articles/2007/04/28/bowling-in-haskell |
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| 15:46.56 | levi | harleypig: You missed a guy who came along wanting to have a serious chat about Cobol. :) |
| 15:47.38 | levi | Apparently he is learning it to interface with a mainframe. |
| 15:47.50 | levi | Poor guy. |
| 15:48.02 | harleypig | I'm glad I missed it. :> |
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| 15:51.48 | lukfugl | levi: that haskell one seems potentially wrong, unless I'm missing something about haskell... |
| 15:52.04 | levi | lukfugl: How so? |
| 15:52.51 | lukfugl | particularly: scoreFrame (x1: y1:y2:ys) | x1 == 10 = (x1+y1+y2, y1:y2:ys) -- Strike |
| 15:53.07 | lukfugl | what if y1 is also a strike, you shouldn't be adding y2 to x1's frame |
| 15:53.21 | lukfugl | or maybe I'm also forgetting my bowling |
| 15:53.25 | lukfugl | and you do |
| 15:53.47 | elg | ~drown harleypig[A] |
| 15:53.49 | ibot | ACTION fills up the aqarium and explains in a Don Vito Corleone voice that harleypig[A] will be swimming with the fishies |
| 15:54.01 | levi | Yeah, y1 and y2 are being added to x1. |
| 15:54.53 | lukfugl | so in bowling, if my first two frames are strikes and my third ball is 8 pins, is the score for the first frame 20 or 28? |
| 15:54.56 | lukfugl | I thought it was 20 |
| 15:55.11 | lukfugl | but the program will give 28 |
| 15:56.40 | levi | Hmm. |
| 15:56.59 | levi | I'm not sure if it's intended to give correct intermediate scores. |
| 15:57.26 | levi | I think the goal was to just give the correct end score. |
| 15:57.28 | lukfugl | well it wouldn't be a correct final score either |
| 15:57.42 | lukfugl | since the final score is just the sum of the intermediate scores, isn't it? |
| 15:58.25 | levi | The program sums the ball scores, not frame scores. |
| 15:58.28 | lukfugl | true. but then the *ball* score for the first ball (in my example) is still wrong... |
| 15:58.34 | levi | Hmm. |
| 15:58.47 | lukfugl | caveat: unless I'm remembering my rules of bowling wrong |
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| 15:59.40 | lukfugl | he does have unit tests though, so I must be missing something |
| 15:59.46 | levi | Well, I assumed it worked, since he has a test case that covers all the balls being perfect. |
| 15:59.51 | lukfugl | yeah |
| 16:00.05 | elg | ~bowl lukfugl |
| 16:00.19 | ibot | ACTION rolls lukfugl up into a ball and throws him towards the titanium pins that are glued to the ground, then sits back to watch the carnage |
| 16:00.45 | levi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten-pin_bowling#Scoring |
| 16:01.27 | lukfugl | yup, my bowling rules were off |
| 16:01.32 | lukfugl | it should be 28 in my example |
| 16:01.35 | levi | Yup. |
| 16:02.51 | levi | lukfugl: Trust the smart haskell people! ;) |
| 16:02.55 | lukfugl | heh |
| 16:03.18 | levi | I also assumed that, given what I know about some of the commenters, they would have pointed out such a flaw. |
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| 16:08.37 | ^Migs^ | wtf, I thought I brought leftover fried chicken for lunch, but it's leftover fried tilapia |
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| 16:37.14 | elg | -chat sjansen hit |
| 16:37.14 | brac | sjansen hit |
| 16:43.27 | levi | http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/itila/Potter.html |
| 16:44.59 | elg | heh |
| 16:45.25 | sjansen | heh |
| 16:55.55 | ^Migs^ | Who says Harry Potter isn't available for free on-line viewing? |
| 16:56.11 | sjansen | Legal free online viewing. |
| 16:56.19 | ^Migs^ | well it doesn't say "legal" |
| 16:56.42 | sjansen | Some of us don't have to be told that part. |
| 16:56.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone know of a vim implementation that'll run on OSX? |
| 16:56.49 | Lone_Wanderer | One with windows and things. |
| 16:56.55 | Lone_Wanderer | i.e. not on the console |
| 16:57.05 | ^Migs^ | native speakers of Latin? |
| 16:57.10 | sjansen | Avast, ye scalleywag, the reading the Potter with out permission be... my pirate vocabulary is too limited to finish. |
| 16:57.11 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 16:57.23 | ^Migs^ | when in doubt, end with ARRRRRRRR! |
| 16:57.31 | sjansen | Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! |
| 16:57.37 | ^Migs^ | beautiful |
| 17:00.43 | Jayce^ | Lone_Wanderer, vim.sf.net has links to it |
| 17:00.54 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks |
| 17:10.33 | elg | Lone_Wanderer: macvim.org |
| 17:10.47 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks |
| 17:13.46 | sjansen | realmenusevimonlinux.truth |
| 17:14.24 | elg | ooh, bad sector in the shower |
| 17:18.51 | sjansen | ~reformat elg |
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| 17:40.00 | levi | elg: Yay for conquering simulink! How nasty did it end up being? |
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| 17:41.42 | sjansen | http://alibinetwork.com/ |
| 17:42.11 | elg | not quite done, but I got through the barriers I was facing |
| 17:42.39 | elg | there's this thing called "subsystem masking" that lets you make a subsystem (subgraph) and give it a little gui for setting parameters |
| 17:43.05 | elg | and said parameters are like variables that you can access inside the stubborn blocks like random number that don't let you set a size with a normal input |
| 17:54.20 | sjansen | elg: Ick. That sounds too much like a VB solution. |
| 17:58.45 | levi | Anyone who wants to play with the DLR in a browser (and doesn't mind installing the Silverlight 1.1 plugin on Windows or an Intel Mac) can do so here: http://silverlight.net/Samples/1.1/DLR-Console/python/index.htm |
| 17:58.47 | brac | [Silverlight 1.1 Alpha Samples - DLR Console Prototype] |
| 18:00.14 | levi | You can click a piece of text to switch the console from python to javascript mode, and the same variables stay in scope. |
| 18:00.18 | sjansen | levi: Don't you have to agree to give MS your odd numbered children and never write F/OSS code before downloading? |
| 18:00.26 | levi | sjansen: No. |
| 18:00.43 | levi | sjansen: You just can't publish benchmarks or something like that. |
| 18:01.32 | levi | sjansen: And the DLR itself /is/ open source, under the 'Microsoft Permissive License' |
| 18:01.45 | levi | I read through some of the source code myself yesterday. |
| 18:04.25 | levi | This console thing is actually really cool. It has an intellisense popup to show class members. And changing variables immediately updates the output frame. |
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| 18:08.16 | elg | sjansen: exactly my sentiments |
| 18:14.01 | levi | I am not crazy about the whole Silverlight thing; I just think the DLR is interesting. |
| 18:15.11 | elg | (about the VB feel) |
| 18:15.17 | Lone_Wanderer | I've got set background=dark in my .vimrc but it doesn't seem to be taking effect |
| 18:15.36 | elg | in gvim? |
| 18:16.00 | elg | background=dark has basically no effect in gvim, and a really pitiful effect in console |
| 18:16.07 | elg | instead, you want colorscheme desert |
| 18:16.11 | findlay | heh |
| 18:16.16 | levi | Though, if there were Linux plugins, I would easily prefer Silverlight to Flash for web application stuff. I think it looks, technically, like a great platform for intranet applications. |
| 18:16.28 | Lone_Wanderer | I've got the color scheme set to desert. |
| 18:16.39 | elg | so... |
| 18:17.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Fixed it. |
| 18:17.39 | elg | what's the pont of background=dark then?' |
| 18:17.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Because I want my background to be dark, obviously. |
| 18:18.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyway, it's working now. There were some lines in the .gvimrc that were settings things how I didn't want them after I'd set my bg. |
| 18:18.42 | elg | if your bg ain't dark, you ain't using desert |
| 18:19.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahh, I see. |
| 18:19.20 | elg | background=dark is more of an advisory "hey vim, my background is dark. play nice" than a "hey vim, I want a dark background" |
| 18:19.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Apparently the settings were also interfering with the desert color scheme. |
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| 18:30.53 | goozbach | no frakin' way!!! |
| 18:31.11 | goozbach | the Lenovo T61 looks cool |
| 18:31.17 | rsimpkins | I like elflord for a dark terminal |
| 18:33.59 | goozbach | so I'm guessing that a bzip compressed tarball of my homedir was a bit too much |
| 18:34.18 | goozbach | it's been going since well before lunch(at 1100) no less |
| 18:34.42 | graphyx | did you do the highest compression level? |
| 18:37.46 | goozbach | yup |
| 18:38.06 | goozbach | that's what happens with ~20G I guess |
| 18:38.24 | goozbach | perhaps a dump would have been easier... |
| 18:38.40 | levi | The T61 looks like every other Thinkpad to me. |
| 18:39.02 | goozbach | levi: I was talking spec wise |
| 18:39.39 | findlay | but can it bullseye womp rats? |
| 18:42.21 | findlay | should I get helicore strings again or spirocores? |
| 18:43.30 | graphyx | goozbach: Yeah, I don't think I would have done max encryption on anything close to that size if I didn't intend to let it run for a week. |
| 18:53.42 | goozbach | graphyx: it's not encrypting |
| 18:53.46 | goozbach | just compressing |
| 18:54.05 | graphyx | I meant compressing |
| 18:54.20 | goozbach | it's all good though |
| 18:54.37 | goozbach | I've got a laptop I can work on as my desktop sits there churnning |
| 18:56.07 | findlay | did you set it up with verbose output? |
| 18:58.03 | goozbach | I'm doing tar -cvjf foo.tbz2 /home |
| 18:58.44 | goozbach | I'm thinking I'll be doing some tests on my other desktop to see which is faster |
| 18:58.55 | goozbach | create a tarball to disk, then compress? |
| 18:59.03 | goozbach | or compress via tar |
| 18:59.09 | goozbach | or pipe a tarball to compression |
| 18:59.17 | SB1-Laptop | Piping it is the way to go |
| 18:59.28 | SB1-Laptop | No point in moving data twice |
| 18:59.45 | graphyx | that certianly is true |
| 18:59.56 | goozbach | SB1-Laptop: it's all about thourughput |
| 19:00.02 | graphyx | but since he is using max compression I don't think that the hard drive would be the bottleneck |
| 19:00.13 | goozbach | methinks the bottleneck isn't the drive |
| 19:00.23 | graphyx | exactly |
| 19:00.36 | graphyx | 20 gigs wouldn't take an hour to move an a modern drive |
| 19:00.47 | SB1-Laptop | Depends on how many files you have |
| 19:00.58 | goozbach | SB1-Laptop: it's a tarball, it's a stream |
| 19:01.03 | SB1-Laptop | Ah |
| 19:01.07 | goozbach | and it's in runlevel 1 |
| 19:01.14 | SB1-Laptop | I've got ~60GB of data here |
| 19:01.19 | SB1-Laptop | In about 300k files :/ |
| 19:01.23 | goozbach | so there isn't much else accessing the drive |
| 19:01.54 | goozbach | perhaps it is a bit of a bottleneck, I AM writing to the same drive I'm reading.... |
| 19:01.58 | goozbach | hmm |
| 19:02.42 | graphyx | check top |
| 19:02.52 | graphyx | if it is all is sys, rather than wait |
| 19:03.00 | graphyx | then the drive isn't the issue |
| 19:03.09 | goozbach | graphyx: I'm in runlevel 1 and doing this on the terminal |
| 19:03.16 | goozbach | I can't access anything else |
| 19:03.20 | graphyx | oh |
| 19:03.21 | graphyx | ok |
| 19:03.28 | graphyx | I don't go to runlevel1 much |
| 19:03.32 | SB1-Laptop | ctrl+z! |
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| 19:04.47 | goozbach | bah, it's chugging away |
| 19:04.55 | goozbach | I don't want to interrupt it |
| 19:06.02 | goozbach | besides.. if it goes through things in lexical order, it's about done |
| 19:06.15 | goozbach | according to the files flying past right now |
| 19:06.34 | SB1-Laptop | lol |
| 19:06.37 | SB1-Laptop | There's your bottleneck |
| 19:06.38 | graphyx | upper or lower? |
| 19:06.43 | SB1-Laptop | The display ;) |
| 19:06.48 | graphyx | It might be the display. |
| 19:06.51 | graphyx | that is true |
| 19:07.02 | SB1-Laptop | On gentoo, whenever I emerge --sync |
| 19:07.05 | graphyx | amazingly enough |
| 19:07.12 | SB1-Laptop | I always, always flip to another console, or do it in a screen |
| 19:07.21 | graphyx | yeah |
| 19:07.35 | graphyx | just so that the result doesn't have to hit a frame page |
| 19:08.32 | goozbach | it's on /home/stuff |
| 19:08.57 | SB1-Laptop | I really should do backups of my personal stuff |
| 19:09.01 | SB1-Laptop | But there's just simply too much |
| 19:09.04 | goozbach | bah |
| 19:09.14 | goozbach | go buy yourself a WD mybook |
| 19:09.18 | goozbach | and use dump or tar |
| 19:09.30 | SB1-Laptop | Even given that |
| 19:09.35 | SB1-Laptop | It would take hours on end |
| 19:09.43 | goozbach | fire it off, and go to bed |
| 19:09.54 | SB1-Laptop | I mean in terms of days. |
| 19:10.09 | goozbach | my personal laptop backup took 13.4 hours for the dump 0 over ssh |
| 19:10.20 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theonion.com/content/node/61332?utm_source=onion_rss_daily |
| 19:10.30 | goozbach | but I only do one of those for every three months |
| 19:10.46 | SB1-Laptop | I'm pretty sure that my home directory has six different kernel versions, most all with different patches applied |
| 19:10.51 | goozbach | I do a 0 then a 5 then a 2 |
| 19:10.54 | ^Migs^ | wtf? Chance of snow for the next 3 days? |
| 19:10.56 | ^Migs^ | I just planted flowers! |
| 19:10.59 | SB1-Laptop | Every single CentOS RPM, three other distros (unpacked) |
| 19:11.11 | SB1-Laptop | And four copies of gentoo, each in a "normal" and "stripped" setting |
| 19:11.12 | goozbach | in your HOMEDIR? |
| 19:11.16 | SB1-Laptop | Yup |
| 19:11.18 | findlay | graphyx: if he's doing tar -cj then I'm pretty sure tar uses the default bzip2 compression level |
| 19:11.37 | goozbach | there's YOUR problem, you need better orginzation of your data |
| 19:11.42 | goozbach | :) |
| 19:11.59 | SB1-Laptop | Oh, and XP SP2 + W2k3 SP2 images |
| 19:12.03 | SB1-Laptop | WoW |
| 19:12.05 | SB1-Laptop | SC |
| 19:12.06 | goozbach | store it on a seperate partition, and symlink into your homedir |
| 19:12.09 | graphyx | organization doesn't change volume |
| 19:12.11 | SB1-Laptop | A few other things |
| 19:12.32 | SB1-Laptop | I have my /home mounted on a sperate *drive* |
| 19:12.34 | goozbach | graphyx: but then you don't have to back up 17 kernel source trees, just to backup your evolution settings |
| 19:12.43 | SB1-Laptop | That's the thing |
| 19:12.49 | graphyx | goozbach: that is true |
| 19:12.50 | SB1-Laptop | I need/want to backup 17 kernel source trees |
| 19:12.59 | SB1-Laptop | I have them sitting around for a reason, lol |
| 19:13.09 | goozbach | SB1-Laptop: the same amount as your setting? |
| 19:13.23 | SB1-Laptop | As my setting? Sorry, that line made no sense to me |
| 19:13.24 | graphyx | SB1-Laptop: I think what you really want is a backup of the change from the normal one that you can download |
| 19:13.29 | goozbach | orgination changes where your volumes |
| 19:13.39 | Jayce^ | graphyx, exactly |
| 19:13.40 | goozbach | SB1-Laptop: I'm talking backing up your personal app settings |
| 19:13.46 | findlay | hm, from the manpage it looks like the default compresison level of bzip2 is-9 |
| 19:13.47 | SB1-Laptop | Oh. Pfft. |
| 19:13.54 | SB1-Laptop | ~/.kde, ~/.thunderbird and I'm done |
| 19:14.04 | SB1-Laptop | ~/.xchat2 if I'm feeling like it |
| 19:14.06 | goozbach | and all your documents |
| 19:14.17 | SB1-Laptop | All of my docs are kept in a SVN repo |
| 19:14.18 | goozbach | do that daily ~30min tops |
| 19:14.24 | SB1-Laptop | And distributed across four computers |
| 19:14.25 | graphyx | he is a real programmer, what is this documentation that you speak of? |
| 19:14.46 | SB1-Laptop | I'm talking backups of all of my "data" data, not just docs and settings |
| 19:16.02 | goozbach | how often does that data change? |
| 19:16.02 | goozbach | use dump |
| 19:16.02 | SB1-Laptop | Pretty often. |
| 19:16.03 | goozbach | dump 0, then 1, then 2 |
| 19:16.05 | goozbach | then just keep doing dump 2s |
| 19:16.05 | SB1-Laptop | Some of the kernel trees are cross compiled for other arches, etc |
| 19:16.06 | goozbach | that'll just get the changes |
| 19:16.06 | SB1-Laptop | It's all a very fluid moving target |
| 19:16.10 | goozbach | that's why dump is so freaking awesome |
| 19:16.55 | SB1-Laptop | "This is the homepage of the Linux Ext2 filesystem dump/restore utilities." |
| 19:16.59 | findlay | what is this dump you speak of? |
| 19:17.03 | SB1-Laptop | Yay filesystem I'm not using? |
| 19:17.14 | goozbach | DRAT! it must not be lexical |
| 19:17.22 | goozbach | cause it's now on /home/archives |
| 19:17.25 | goozbach | hmm |
| 19:17.36 | goozbach | dump and restore |
| 19:17.45 | goozbach | just another reason to use ext3 |
| 19:18.11 | SB1-Laptop | reiserfs wins the day for me |
| 19:18.46 | graphyx | don't worry. it too will have it's day in court |
| 19:18.51 | SB1-Laptop | lol |
| 19:19.00 | SB1-Laptop | I have been debating moving to XFS though |
| 19:19.42 | graphyx | Or you could create a petition that sun allow linux to use zfs |
| 19:20.02 | SB1-Laptop | My computer has 2x500GB drives |
| 19:20.07 | SB1-Laptop | I had to RMA one (my /home drive) |
| 19:20.18 | SB1-Laptop | But I have yet to move all of my /home data back to the new drive |
| 19:20.20 | graphyx | raid 0? |
| 19:20.28 | SB1-Laptop | So I have the time and opportunity to make a new filesystem for /home |
| 19:20.33 | SB1-Laptop | No, standard sda and sdb |
| 19:20.36 | goozbach | yay! it finished |
| 19:21.15 | SB1-Laptop | No raid, no LVM |
| 19:21.22 | SB1-Laptop | Just one drive mounted / and one drive mounted /home |
| 19:21.35 | goozbach | any guess on how big my bzip compressed tarball is? |
| 19:21.50 | findlay | 7 GiB |
| 19:21.53 | graphyx | 15 gigs? |
| 19:21.56 | goozbach | it's 19G on disk in the /home directory |
| 19:22.03 | findlay | 9\pi GiB |
| 19:22.21 | graphyx | so you got 5% compression? |
| 19:22.27 | findlay | heh |
| 19:22.28 | goozbach | closest without going over gets a razzberry |
| 19:22.30 | graphyx | for 2.5 hours time? |
| 19:22.57 | goozbach | actually about 4.5 hours |
| 19:23.11 | goozbach | I'm going to re-do it later tonight just for fun |
| 19:23.15 | findlay | 3\pi GiB |
| 19:23.23 | goozbach | it's 14G |
| 19:23.30 | findlay | yay, I won! |
| 19:24.03 | goozbach | ~razzberry findlay |
| 19:24.41 | graphyx | so you got 25% compression |
| 19:24.44 | graphyx | not too bad |
| 19:24.53 | graphyx | you can fit it one a dl dvi |
| 19:24.56 | graphyx | dvd |
| 19:25.06 | graphyx | if you trusted one for archiving stuff. |
| 19:25.11 | findlay | especially if you have lots of already compressed data |
| 19:25.32 | goozbach | that's got three virtual disk images in it |
| 19:25.37 | goozbach | so that's not too bad |
| 19:25.44 | goozbach | not too bad at all |
| 19:25.46 | SB1-Laptop | I really do need to figure out a backup solution though |
| 19:25.51 | goozbach | yes you do |
| 19:25.56 | goozbach | anything is better than nothing |
| 19:26.05 | findlay | or walking backwards |
| 19:26.10 | SB1-Laptop | lol |
| 19:26.36 | SB1-Laptop | The scary thing is that it's actually all incredibly organized |
| 19:27.43 | SB1-Laptop | Then again, I have about four loopback devices on average, mounted in my home directory.. |
| 19:28.22 | goozbach | I'd suggest seperating out the heaviest(most data by size) pieces into another volume |
| 19:28.42 | SB1-Laptop | I've actually already done that |
| 19:28.50 | SB1-Laptop | My music is in FLAC |
| 19:29.03 | goozbach | and it's on a seperate partition/volume |
| 19:29.06 | goozbach | ? |
| 19:29.09 | SB1-Laptop | Yup |
| 19:29.14 | SB1-Laptop | I have two drives |
| 19:29.17 | SB1-Laptop | /, and /home |
| 19:29.37 | SB1-Laptop | Music stays on /srv/data/com/b/r/a/brantleyonline.com/music.brantleyonline.com |
| 19:29.52 | SB1-Laptop | (Don't try ;)) |
| 19:30.31 | SB1-Laptop | Really, my biggest problem is my mass of literal distros I keep around in my home dir |
| 19:31.12 | SB1-Laptop | Is there any way to count the number of files I have in a directoy? |
| 19:31.42 | SB1-Laptop | There we go |
| 19:31.50 | SB1-Laptop | 172840 files in /home |
| 19:32.09 | findlay | find . -type f | wc -l |
| 19:32.10 | findlay | tree |
| 19:32.11 | SB1-Laptop | Yup, that's what I did |
| 19:32.27 | SB1-Laptop | -bash: tree: command not found |
| 19:32.28 | findlay | sadly, many distros don't ship it |
| 19:32.55 | findlay | tree is like an intelligent ls for multiple directories |
| 19:33.12 | SB1-Laptop | Time to install tree then! |
| 19:36.01 | SB1-Laptop | Ah yeah, I've used that before |
| 19:38.37 | graphyx | 200K files? |
| 19:38.42 | graphyx | wow, talk about bloat |
| 19:39.16 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 19:39.41 | graphyx | My 2 year old tried something like that the other day |
| 19:39.54 | graphyx | My 5 year old son and 2 year old son are in bunk beds. |
| 19:40.03 | graphyx | The 2 year doesn't like bed time. |
| 19:40.08 | graphyx | He just wants to talk talk talk. |
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| 19:40.21 | graphyx | One night my 5 year old just started screaming |
| 19:40.45 | graphyx | aparently the 2 year old climbed up on his bed and bit hit to wake him up so that he would talk to him |
| 19:40.49 | graphyx | instead of sleep |
| 19:41.21 | SB1-Laptop | graphyx, as I said... multiple kernel source trees (built, some cross compiled, patched differently), several different distros, a few gentoo installs of varying size, and a copy of XP/2k3 |
| 19:41.40 | graphyx | vmware stuff? |
| 19:41.59 | SB1-Laptop | Nope, none of it vmware stuff |
| 19:42.16 | graphyx | what do you do with the XP 2k3 copies then? |
| 19:42.44 | SB1-Laptop | Use it as a base image (I copied it right off of the 2k3 CD) and add RAID/SCSI drivers to it |
| 19:43.03 | graphyx | ahh sliptream upgrades |
| 19:43.08 | SB1-Laptop | Then burn, giving me a CD that I can pop in my servers and not worry about installing a floppy drive on just to get access to the HDs ;) |
| 19:43.10 | SB1-Laptop | Pretty much |
| 19:43.28 | SB1-Laptop | A few other things, but it's really a standard install |
| 19:43.39 | graphyx | I did that for a bart PE boot disk. |
| 19:43.48 | SB1-Laptop | Bart PE is dirty |
| 19:43.58 | graphyx | It worked for what I needed. |
| 19:44.01 | SB1-Laptop | But then again, I'm the one with a licensed copy of 2k3 at home.. |
| 19:44.06 | SB1-Laptop | Multiple 2k3 servers at work.. |
| 19:44.08 | SB1-Laptop | 40 XP computers.. |
| 19:44.16 | SB1-Laptop | So I don't have much room to speak about being dirty :) |
| 19:44.20 | graphyx | system had a bad disk and needed to get the data off. |
| 19:44.30 | SB1-Laptop | I use knoppix for that |
| 19:44.53 | graphyx | So i booted bart PE and let it chkdsk repair a ton of files |
| 19:44.59 | graphyx | ntfs didn't work back then. |
| 19:45.12 | SB1-Laptop | Ahh |
| 19:45.14 | graphyx | and then booted the system to copy the data off. |
| 19:45.31 | graphyx | got the data and the system just deteriorated in hours |
| 19:45.38 | graphyx | till it would just boot loop |
| 19:45.47 | graphyx | rather amuzing. |
| 19:45.53 | sjansen | Bummer, I lose. :-( |
| 19:45.59 | sjansen | $ find . -type f | wc -l |
| 19:45.59 | sjansen | 132543 |
| 19:46.03 | SB1-Laptop | lol |
| 19:46.17 | graphyx | hey that the number on my luggage! |
| 19:46.29 | SB1-Laptop | Ousted by a 19 year old with no certifications or formal education ;) |
| 19:46.44 | findlay | ~educate SB1-Laptop |
| 19:46.53 | ibot | ACTION teaches SB1-Laptop the basics, including how to RTM. |
| 19:46.53 | graphyx | get one or the other |
| 19:46.54 | SB1-Laptop | How do you do backups, sjansen? |
| 19:46.54 | SB1-Laptop | I'm working on it. |
| 19:46.54 | graphyx | it pays to do so |
| 19:47.22 | SB1-Laptop | And how much data is that, exactly? |
| 19:48.09 | sjansen | rdiff-backup |
| 19:48.29 | SB1-Laptop | Ah, yes |
| 19:48.33 | SB1-Laptop | I use that here at work |
| 19:48.42 | lukfugl | elg/levi: so where does one go to find 1) what's in the erlang "standard library", and 2) erlang libraries others have written? |
| 19:49.25 | sjansen | Eventualy I plan to configure udev so that when I plug in my backup drive is starts automatically. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9311 |
| 19:50.56 | levi | lukfugl: 1) The docs on erlang.org, specifically http://www.erlang.org/doc/apps/stdlib/index.html 2) http://cean.process-one.net/ and http://jungerl.sourceforge.net/ are good places to look |
| 19:50.58 | brac | [STDLIB Reference Manual] |
| 19:51.07 | lukfugl | danke |
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| 20:09.08 | rsimpkins | lukfugl: Are you aware there is an 'erlounge' to discuss erlang on May 8th? |
| 20:10.23 | rsimpkins | It is going to be at Novell's OSTC. |
| 20:16.21 | lukfugl | rsimpkins: yes, I'm planning on attending it |
| 20:16.31 | rsimpkins | Cool. |
| 20:23.14 | rsimpkins | How do big gaping obvious issues escape QA? My blackbery gives you an option to choose which folder to save obex transfers to, but due to a bug you can't go 'up' in the directory tree. |
| 20:23.58 | rsimpkins | Everything gets saved to the 'ringtones' folder. And you can't move multiple files using their interface, you have to move one at a time - each time traversing the explorer tree to find the new location. |
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| 20:27.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Why does a single Unicode character turn into one or more ASCII characters when I copy and paste them? |
| 20:29.32 | findlay | rsimpkins: obviously you're not using the device as intended. If you download more than just ringtones, RIM will send you a C&D letter |
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| 20:31.45 | Keighvin | The team of monkeys stop when they achieve the desired result. |
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| 20:36.05 | goozbach | ok so this is kinda cool... |
| 20:36.27 | goozbach | someone is rapping over the castlevania theme |
| 20:38.44 | ^Migs^ | is that the OCRemix? |
| 20:38.48 | ^Migs^ | DJ Cronos or something? |
| 20:39.05 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: That probably depends on what programs you're using and what characters are involved. |
| 20:39.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Open Office and vim |
| 20:40.02 | levi | And the characters involved? |
| 20:40.47 | findlay | Romeo and Juliet |
| 20:41.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Heh. I was just discussing Carmina Burana in another room. |
| 20:41.40 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't recall. I think one was a single quote and another was a dash. |
| 20:41.57 | findlay | gnome-character-map is pretty good |
| 20:42.03 | findlay | for finding out unicode stuff |
| 20:42.12 | Lone_Wanderer | ’ and – |
| 20:42.19 | levi | My guess is that this boils down to the fact that Unicode is a vastly bigger character space than ASCII, so most Unicode encodings involve multi-byte sequences. |
| 20:42.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, I want to get rid of unicode stuff. |
| 20:42.28 | Lone_Wanderer | That would make sense. |
| 20:42.44 | Lone_Wanderer | When I copy and paste it into HTML, it breaks it fantastically. |
| 20:42.58 | Lone_Wanderer | So I'd like a reliable and easy way to strip out unicode stuff. |
| 20:43.21 | levi | Your copy operation probably copied the raw bytes from the encoding, and the paste stuck them into their new context where they were interpreted in a different encoding. |
| 20:43.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Makes sense. |
| 20:43.50 | levi | Text is no longer simple. |
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| 20:45.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Argh. my mac still insists on opening .php files with Aquamacs. |
| 20:46.24 | levi | Um. |
| 20:46.37 | levi | You can tell OS X to associate a different application with files of that type. |
| 20:46.45 | Lone_Wanderer | I know. I did so, several times. |
| 20:46.56 | levi | Did you tell it to make a global change? |
| 20:47.10 | sjansen | No you don't. You want to use UTF-8 for everything, including HTML. |
| 20:47.11 | Lone_Wanderer | I believe so. |
| 20:47.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Aren't I already using UTF-8? |
| 20:47.31 | findlay | or UTF-1024 |
| 20:47.33 | levi | Maybe you should just stop using PHP. |
| 20:47.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Good plan, I'll just quit my job. |
| 20:47.54 | sjansen | You're using PHP? Well there's your problem. |
| 20:48.09 | levi | Well, there are plenty of jobs around. ;) |
| 20:48.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Making as much or more than I do now, that I can get immediately, that don't involve using PHP? |
| 20:48.36 | Lone_Wanderer | And that I qualify for? |
| 20:49.01 | sjansen | Have you tried looking? |
| 20:49.06 | findlay | or UTF-65536 |
| 20:49.07 | Lone_Wanderer | No, actually. |
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| 20:49.22 | goozbach | "I can't see anything" |
| 20:49.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Where would I look? I don't know any other languages well enough to get a job in them. |
| 20:49.31 | goozbach | -- "did you open your eyes?" |
| 20:49.35 | goozbach | -- "no" |
| 20:49.36 | sjansen | GL is still hiring. Act fast though, because we've only got 1 or 2 openings and hopefully one of those will be closing soon. |
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| 20:49.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Doctor my arm hurts when I do this. Well then, don't do that. |
| 20:50.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Hiring for what? Also, I'm planning on becoming a helicopter pilot. |
| 20:50.17 | sjansen | Don't forget to include intangibles like "Free at last! Free at last! Praise $DEITY I'm free from PHP at last!" |
| 20:50.19 | goozbach | sjansen: you guys sent Zelut out on his own for his first 314? |
| 20:50.28 | Lone_Wanderer | So, I'm thinking I'll stick with this job until I get my CFII and then just switch to that full time. |
| 20:50.37 | sjansen | That's gotta be worth at least $25000. |
| 20:50.43 | goozbach | that's just mean |
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| 20:51.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Maybe I should just do what I did with PHP, and start learning Python on my own time and writing stuff in it. |
| 21:00.26 | sjansen | All the cool kids are learning Erlang now. |
| 21:01.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Is that the one where you can prove your code correct, or is that... something else? |
| 21:02.51 | elg | lukfugl: did you get the book? |
| 21:03.11 | elg | it has a nice list of brief "here's a function and a one-sentence description of what it does" |
| 21:03.46 | elg | probably nothing you can't find on the web, so far as the actual reference documentation goes though |
| 21:04.23 | elg | does os x have a remote desktop sort of thing? |
| 21:04.33 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 21:05.31 | elg | what is it? |
| 21:05.36 | elg | called. so I can google it |
| 21:06.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, you want me to actually be *useful*? |
| 21:07.05 | Lone_Wanderer | (one sec) |
| 21:08.00 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Erlang is probably more amenable to correctness proofs than your average language, but the Erlang programming practices would discourage it. |
| 21:08.45 | Lone_Wanderer | You logging into an Apple machine, elg, or using an Apple to login to something else, or are you going from apple to apple? |
| 21:09.27 | Jayce^ | elg, Apple Remote Desktop |
| 21:09.28 | Lone_Wanderer | I read a book the other day (month, whatever) at Borders that was from the same publisher as did the Gigamonkeys book |
| 21:09.46 | Lone_Wanderer | and it said that you can run proofs on programs written in that language. I don't remember which one it was. |
| 21:09.57 | Lone_Wanderer | There's also Chicken of the VNC. |
| 21:10.20 | levi | Erlang is like Prolog without the backtracking, and with lightweight message-passing concurrency. |
| 21:10.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Erlang is the concurrency one right? |
| 21:10.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, that's what I thought. |
| 21:11.04 | levi | It's also a functional language. |
| 21:12.46 | lukfugl | elg: not yet (get the book) |
| 21:14.48 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: You weren't looking at Practical OCaml, were you? |
| 21:14.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Quite possibly. |
| 21:15.09 | Lone_Wanderer | I was going to say OCaml, but wasn't sure. |
| 21:15.50 | levi | I heard that Practical OCaml was a disappointing book. |
| 21:17.22 | levi | Anyway, you can prove C programs correct if you want to. |
| 21:17.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Couldn't you prove any program correct? |
| 21:18.22 | Lone_Wanderer | In any language, I mean? I was under the impression that OCaml just made it easier with some bell or whistle it has available. |
| 21:24.28 | levi | Yes, though it becomes very difficult very quickly with most programs and languages. |
| 21:25.10 | Lone_Wanderer | You know, something just occurred to me. If I were writing for a platform other than the web, I wouldn't have to deal with HTML any more. |
| 21:25.28 | levi | Anyway, I know the ML languages in general have been used to write programs to automatically check proofs and that sort of thing. |
| 21:25.49 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: But you probably would have to deal with XML. |
| 21:25.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Touche. |
| 21:26.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Or hardware, if I moved the extreme opposite direction and decided to write drivers. |
| 21:28.24 | levi | Yeah. |
| 21:29.55 | levi | I'm currently dealing with C. Specifically with C written by a very meticulous guy who writes very safe code, but apparently doesn't buy into the whole Don't Repeat Yourself thing. |
| 21:30.34 | levi | Thank goodness for emacs and it's wonderful search facilities. |
| 21:30.44 | levi | Aiee. Its, not it's. |
| 21:31.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Indeed. Emacs is not, in fact, wonderful search facilities. |
| 21:32.52 | levi | dired mode + regex tagging + A and M-, make it easy to find all the stuff I need to when making changes. |
| 21:35.02 | ^Migs^ | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6620461.stm |
| 21:35.04 | brac | [BBC NEWS | South Asia | The Boeing 737 stuck in city road] |
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| 21:40.31 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 21:41.10 | elg | Lone_Wanderer, Jayce^, I need to control my mac |
| 21:41.17 | elg | Apple Remote Desktop is $$$ |
| 21:42.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Are you sure? I think it just came with mine. |
| 21:42.36 | Jayce^ | Lone_Wanderer, likely just a client, the full system is $$ |
| 21:42.51 | Lone_Wanderer | huh, oh well |
| 21:42.58 | Jayce^ | just ssh to it :) |
| 21:43.07 | elg | i need to run matlab |
| 21:43.27 | elg | simulink uses X but the matlab part is native |
| 21:43.35 | elg | and simulink runs under matlab |
| 21:44.01 | levi | VNC, then? |
| 21:44.01 | sontek | mac probably has VNC |
| 21:44.05 | elg | does it? as a server? that'd be fine |
| 21:44.52 | levi | Yes, apparently it does. |
| 21:45.03 | elg | perfect |
| 21:45.12 | Lone_Wanderer | I just checked Chicken of the VNC and it apparently will work as a VNC server. |
| 21:45.18 | Lone_Wanderer | But if it has a native one... |
| 21:46.05 | ^Migs^ | http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/27/technology/fastforward_xo.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2007042716 |
| 21:46.06 | brac | [Does Intel fear $100 laptops? - Apr. 27, 2007] |
| 21:46.20 | *** join/#utah graphyx (n=graphyx@205.208.245.105) |
| 21:46.21 | Lone_Wanderer | They should. |
| 21:46.42 | Lone_Wanderer | ~rot13 Dr, co yd. Ekrpat jrmcbiZ |
| 21:46.42 | ibot | Qe, pb lq. Rxecng wezpovM |
| 21:46.58 | elg | -chat about it is |
| 21:46.58 | brac | it is to read your PDF issues, will you support it |
| 21:47.04 | elg | i will |
| 21:47.17 | Lone_Wanderer | -chat about elg will |
| 21:47.17 | brac | elg will |
| 21:47.24 | Lone_Wanderer | -chat about brac sucks |
| 21:47.25 | brac | brac sucks |
| 21:47.29 | elg | -chat about you wish |
| 21:47.29 | brac | you wish you could add duh.mydomain.com and have the sophistication to communicate why the monitor for suspicious activity |
| 21:49.15 | Tene | -chat about elg |
| 21:49.15 | brac | elg was yesterday's :) |
| 21:49.20 | Tene | -chat about tene |
| 21:49.20 | brac | tene did |
| 21:50.33 | levi | -chat about Tene is |
| 21:50.34 | brac | Tene is a good teacher......he was very pleased to find a linux sign or something |
| 21:52.15 | graphyx | -chat about levi is |
| 21:52.16 | brac | levi is right next to the sonatas and partitas |
| 21:53.08 | levi | -chat about graphyx is |
| 21:53.09 | brac | graphyx is male. |
| 21:56.18 | Tene | -chat about findlay |
| 21:56.18 | brac | findlay was wanting a SuSE-10.0 rock, or ibot is patented |
| 22:02.24 | elg | σ |
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| 22:33.48 | bonez39 | Does this look right? to have two identical entries? tmpfs 140M 0 140M 0% /lib/init/rw |
| 22:33.49 | bonez39 | tmpfs 140M 8.0K 140M 1% /dev/shm |
| 22:35.18 | bonez39 | I am getting the following error, when running apt-get dist-upgrade >> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch1_i386.deb (--un |
| 22:35.19 | bonez39 | pack): |
| 22:35.19 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.19 | bonez39 | fs.ko': No space left on device |
| 22:35.24 | bonez39 | if this helps....... |
| 22:36.19 | bonez39 | /dev/hde1 250M 220M 17M 93% / this is listing for where /lib resides.... |
| 22:36.26 | bonez39 | from df -h |
| 22:39.57 | beandog | tmpfs is just ram anyway |
| 22:40.02 | beandog | but when it gets full, overflows to hdd |
| 22:40.44 | beandog | a linux-image is gonna be pretty big |
| 22:40.48 | beandog | about 300 megs |
| 22:40.55 | beandog | er, kernel |
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| 22:47.38 | bonez39 | so this could be why it's reporting out of space? |
| 22:48.00 | bonez39 | beandog, so then , how do I resolve this and allow apt-get to finish without erroring out? |
| 22:48.14 | beandog | I would clear out some freespace |
| 22:48.21 | beandog | or unpack it to another directory |
| 22:48.22 | beandog | or something |
| 22:48.23 | beandog | I dunno. |
| 22:48.37 | bonez39 | ok..... |
| 22:49.15 | elg | tmpfs isn't the one filling up |
| 22:49.18 | elg | df -h /var |
| 22:49.37 | elg | if it's hde (and it probably is), you need more free space before you can hope to do a dist-upgrade or anything like it |
| 22:50.17 | beandog | sorry bonez39, Im completely clueless when it comes to Debian :T |
| 22:50.27 | beandog | elg, however, is the man. |
| 22:54.38 | bonez39 | scott@fyrenice:~$ df -h /var |
| 22:54.38 | bonez39 | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 22:54.38 | bonez39 | /dev/hde6 2.8G 1.2G 1.5G 43% /var |
| 22:54.43 | bonez39 | elg, , there's the output |
| 22:54.57 | bonez39 | I shoulda just put it all on one partition...... |
| 22:57.19 | Sargun | bonez39, What'd you break? |
| 22:57.22 | elg | looks like you're running out of space on /lib |
| 22:57.41 | elg | the solution is to un run out of space |
| 22:59.05 | bonez39 | elg, un run out....eh? |
| 23:00.16 | beandog | free up some space |
| 23:00.24 | Sargun | rm -rf could be your friend |
| 23:00.36 | beandog | but if your max is 250m, youre screwed to start with. |
| 23:00.44 | bonez39 | hmmm ok.... |
| 23:00.56 | bonez39 | needing to back up and reformat and reinstall.... |
| 23:01.06 | beandog | not really |
| 23:01.11 | beandog | you could move your partitions around |
| 23:04.08 | beandog | if youre feeling adventurous |
| 23:04.14 | bonez39 | well, I like adventure.. |
| 23:06.49 | bonez39 | what I should do is get a new system put together....build a new one...with 250 gb hdd....and then move all parts over.....and then hose the drive on this one, once new system is set up..... |
| 23:06.54 | bonez39 | that's likely the best move.... |
| 23:07.07 | bonez39 | beandog, if you were me...would you set up a new system using LVM? |
| 23:07.36 | beandog | The only reason Id use LVM is if you have many harddrives you want to share as one partition. |
| 23:07.49 | beandog | And even then, I'd still personally pick RAID, dangerous as it is. |
| 23:08.18 | beandog | Your / doesnt need that much space to start with |
| 23:08.25 | beandog | I'd say 30g max and you'd be fine for almost any situation |
| 23:08.38 | elg | sjansen will say to use lvm always |
| 23:08.51 | elg | I say it doesn't hurt if your distro deals with it competently |
| 23:08.51 | beandog | I would use LVM if the documentation wasn't borken. |
| 23:08.54 | bonez39 | well, if it's helpful to start out using it on a new system...I will |
| 23:09.04 | elg | but you get far more bang for your buck just making one big filesystem |
| 23:09.04 | bonez39 | my distro is Debian....!!! |
| 23:09.08 | elg | plus a swap system |
| 23:09.12 | elg | er, swap partition |
| 23:09.17 | bonez39 | ok..... |
| 23:09.29 | beandog | Splitting up my directories has always ended up biting me in the butt |
| 23:09.37 | beandog | I say don't do it |
| 23:09.54 | beandog | /home being the exception, of course. |
| 23:10.25 | elg | i usually do either all /, / and /home, or /, /home, and /av (/av being audio video, and usually has its own big disk) |
| 23:11.06 | elg | i do have lvm on my server and it did come in handy |
| 23:11.09 | bonez39 | I'd think /av for own hard disk.....that makes sense.... |
| 23:11.12 | elg | it's worth having around if you can manage it |
| 23:15.14 | beandog | elg: ditto |
| 23:15.20 | beandog | thats what I had last time, a huge /media one |
| 23:15.34 | beandog | LVM borkified it. |
| 23:15.35 | beandog | meh. |
| 23:16.20 | elg | i actually have lvm on everything but /av |
| 23:33.34 | Sargun | Why does bad weather hate my dish? |