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| 01:12.21 | nick125_lappy | Hrm, there is a way to get the progress of a running dd instance, but, I can't remember how |
| 01:12.24 | nick125_lappy | any ideas? |
| 01:12.40 | elg | some signal |
| 01:12.43 | Tene | SIGHUP oslt |
| 01:12.49 | Tene | check the man page for 'signal' |
| 01:12.51 | nick125_lappy | I tried USR1, but, that just kills it |
| 01:12.58 | elg | SIGUSR12 |
| 01:13.04 | Tene | i.e. check dd's man page and look for the keyword "signal" |
| 01:13.23 | nick125_lappy | Tene: Nothing. |
| 01:13.30 | elg | my dd manpage says USR1 |
| 01:14.01 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.03 | nick125_lappy | Mmm, fun |
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| 02:59.34 | findlay | hello |
| 03:00.40 | Tene | Hi! |
| 03:01.06 | rsimpkins | man, linkedin is a rip! |
| 03:01.17 | rsimpkins | To do anything useful they charge outrageous prices. |
| 03:01.35 | rsimpkins | to get plug to be a real 'group' would cost us $5000! |
| 03:02.02 | rsimpkins | plust 10% annually. |
| 03:03.11 | rsimpkins | A job posting is like $150.00 |
| 03:07.35 | nick125_lappy | Yikes! |
| 03:10.56 | rsimpkins | to become a 'premium' group.... $25,000 - I kid you not. |
| 03:11.13 | rsimpkins | I'm like - i can BUILD linkedin for that much money! :) |
| 03:11.52 | tensai | elg: http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1000216 |
| 03:12.46 | elg | but who's gonna fly it, kid? you? |
| 03:14.00 | nick125_lappy | rsimpkins: Probably something *BETTER* then Linkedin |
| 03:15.18 | elg | tensai: anything in particular? |
| 03:21.16 | levi_home | Woot! My 1st Gen iPod lives again! |
| 03:21.16 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:21.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Grats |
| 03:21.16 | levi_home | The battery isn't really that hard to change. |
| 03:21.16 | nick125_lappy | levi_home: Where did you order the battery from? |
| 03:21.16 | levi_home | nick125_lappy: Sonnet |
| 03:21.27 | elg | levi_home: don't you know you're supposed to upgrade to the latest and greatest? |
| 03:21.43 | nick125_lappy | How are their prices? I have a few friends who are looking to replace the battery in their iPods |
| 03:21.55 | levi_home | nick125_lappy: It was $20 after shipping. |
| 03:22.32 | nick125_lappy | Much better then shipping it to apple and paying $80 (I don't even know if they will do it on a first-generation anymore) |
| 03:42.23 | levi_home | Awesome, Dave Griswold got funding of 1500 euros for someone to work on porting the Squeak runtime to the Strongtalk vm. |
| 03:42.42 | levi_home | I hope he can get someone competent to bite. |
| 03:55.55 | rsimpkins | I hate it when a guy goes out as a contractor, gets in over his head, then begs people on freenode to help him for free. |
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| 03:56.15 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 03:56.33 | rsimpkins | I don't mind helping with 1 or 2 things, but when the guy needs help at every step for a job he is getting paid for - gets under my skin. |
| 03:56.34 | tensai | elg: none in particular, just knew you were into audio stuffs |
| 03:57.12 | tensai | rsimpkins: maybe what he's getting paid for is to know how to beg answers from the right people |
| 03:57.27 | elg | tensai: yeah, I often read his column |
| 03:57.37 | elg | he has a monthly or bimonthly column on linux audio stuff |
| 03:59.13 | rsimpkins | So... plug.org has more members in India than in Orem. |
| 03:59.23 | rsimpkins | What is wrong with us? :) |
| 04:00.12 | nick125_lappy | Anyone here know of any decent creative commons-licensed artists? |
| 04:00.37 | tensai | nick125_lappy: dilvie |
| 04:00.48 | nick125_lappy | tensai: His work is CC-licensed? |
| 04:01.04 | tensai | nick125_lappy: I think so. could be wrong though. |
| 04:01.52 | nick125_lappy | Cool. |
| 04:02.37 | nick125_lappy | tensai: Have a link to his music? |
| 04:04.11 | nick125_lappy | I want to find some high-quality CC music for my little radio project |
| 04:05.44 | tensai | nick125_lappy: dilvie.com/music/ |
| 04:06.06 | tensai | nick125_lappy: also he's on knobtweakers.net |
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| 04:07.56 | nick125_lappy | tensai: I'll try to get ahold of him next time I see him on IRC |
| 04:08.58 | elg | nick125_lappy: see magnatune.com also |
| 04:09.51 | nick125_lappy | elg: I'll have to contact them too |
| 04:10.00 | elg | why? |
| 04:10.16 | tensai | nick125_lappy: magnatune is licensed attribution-noncommercial-sharealike |
| 04:10.21 | tensai | oh, that's what elg said |
| 04:10.56 | nick125_lappy | elg: See if I can get their music for use on my station |
| 04:11.52 | elg | https://magnatune.com/artists/license/?artist=Ambient+Teknology&album=Phoenix&genre=Electronica |
| 04:12.05 | elg | if your station is noncommercial it might fit under the CC license |
| 04:12.13 | elg | and you wouldn't have to contact them, necessarily |
| 04:12.16 | nick125_lappy | I'm pretty sure we'd fit under the CC license |
| 04:12.20 | elg | they'll be happy to sell you a more restrictive license too |
| 04:13.31 | nick125_lappy | Hrm, they used to have it where you could email them and get high-quality versions for free, now they want you to buy it (or go with 128k with spoken text) |
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| 04:26.27 | Tene | ~quote DOOM |
| 04:31.09 | Supaplex | ahh the poor G3 crashed HARD. :( http://content.techrepublic.com.com/2346-10877_11-54691-24.html |
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| 04:45.46 | levi_home | rsimpkins: Charge him a consulting fee. :P |
| 04:55.30 | Sargun | I'm bored |
| 04:59.16 | Supaplex | mmmm chocolate |
| 04:59.40 | rsimpkins | levi_home: ping |
| 05:02.35 | rsimpkins | Sooooo... what's going on tonight? Anything interesting? |
| 05:19.43 | Supaplex | -lart openoffice bugs |
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| 05:32.12 | nick125_lappy | If anyone else where knows of some great Creative Commons licensed artists, please send me a PM (I'd really like to include them in my radio stream). |
| 05:33.42 | nick125_lappy | Also, if anyone would like to listen to my little radio stream and give some suggestions, here's the link: http://nick125.com:8000 |
| 05:33.44 | brac | [Icecast Streaming Media Server] |
| 05:39.44 | levi_home | rsimpkins: pong |
| 05:40.27 | rsimpkins | levi_home: Hey... |
| 05:40.43 | rsimpkins | levi_home: What additional fields in the plug.org member profiles might be cool to add? |
| 05:42.47 | levi_home | Hmm. |
| 05:45.09 | levi_home | I can't think of any off the top of my head. |
| 05:46.54 | rsimpkins | I'm out - night all. |
| 05:46.54 | levi_home | G'night! |
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| 13:15.05 | goozbach | why is it when I want to reply to a mailing list post singly, and I get upset by the reply-to munging? |
| 13:15.32 | goozbach | then when I come across a list with out it, I get upset because it isn't there? |
| 13:25.34 | emcnabb | nice: |
| 13:25.38 | emcnabb | Dear Evan McNabb, |
| 13:25.38 | emcnabb | The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN(R)) recently |
| 13:25.39 | emcnabb | agreed to reduce their Registrar Transaction Fee from $.25 to $.22. What does |
| 13:25.39 | emcnabb | this mean for you? |
| 13:25.39 | emcnabb | Good news. You have been credited $.03/yr for each domain name you registered |
| 13:25.41 | emcnabb | or renewed dating back to July 1, 2006* -- $.09 has been placed into your Go |
| 13:25.44 | emcnabb | Daddy(R) account with this customer number: XXXXX |
| 13:26.07 | ^Migs^ | "Even though I will draw a salary for maintaining the site and driving the effort, I do want to have a non profit status." |
| 13:26.21 | ^Migs^ | haha, I got that too, emcnabb |
| 13:26.27 | ^Migs^ | except I only got $.03 |
| 13:27.25 | emcnabb | early retirement, here I come! |
| 13:29.17 | ^Migs^ | I'm going to invest my refund toward a swimming pool |
| 13:32.10 | graphyx | ^Migs^: even working for a non-profit firm you can still earn 150,000$ |
| 13:32.36 | graphyx | but that is the max |
| 13:34.46 | ^Migs^ | wow that sucks |
| 13:34.50 | ^Migs^ | only 150k? |
| 13:35.17 | ^Migs^ | if he's the sole proprietor, in what way, shape, or form is it non-profit? |
| 13:41.29 | graphyx | that is per year |
| 13:41.39 | graphyx | thats the thing about non profit |
| 13:41.43 | graphyx | you can make money |
| 13:41.51 | graphyx | just not unlimited money. |
| 13:42.28 | graphyx | The thing is that there is nothing that keeps non profits from funneling the money from the non profit to a secondary firm. |
| 13:42.44 | graphyx | One company had an "outsourced" it group |
| 13:43.21 | graphyx | the only difference was that they worked for a different company that was not non profit. |
| 13:43.30 | graphyx | no real difference |
| 13:43.45 | graphyx | just wanted the main company to appear to be a non profit to appeal to the clients. |
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| 13:52.13 | ^Migs^ | ok |
| 13:55.04 | Zelut | what does the "pcifn" refer to when using something like "kudzu -p --class=ide" ? |
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| 14:20.15 | goozbach | pineapple! |
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| 14:31.59 | elg | -chat |
| 14:32.07 | brac | can you tell how things got sexual really really appreciate everyone's help while I have to buy things I got it out. |
| 14:32.12 | elg | you're welcome brac |
| 14:35.29 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 14:50.06 | ^Migs^ | Pizza Hut is giving away free slices of Hand-Tossed Style Pizza, one slice per customer, between 3 p.m. and 5 p.m. |
| 14:52.24 | graphyx | everywhere? |
| 14:52.28 | graphyx | or just local? |
| 14:53.50 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 14:53.50 | ibot | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets elg feel it |
| 14:54.42 | jsmith | ^Migs^: Link for more info? |
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| 14:56.07 | jsmith | http://sanantonio.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2007/04/30/daily6.html |
| 14:56.10 | brac | [Hungry? Get a free slice tomorrow - Austin Business Journal:] |
| 14:56.19 | jsmith | "at participating restaurants" |
| 14:56.25 | jsmith | Whatever that means... |
| 14:57.18 | ^Migs^ | I just saw it on slickdeals.net |
| 14:57.45 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: way to get our hopes up |
| 14:58.18 | ^Migs^ | just call your local Pizza Hut pizzeria and ask if they're offering free slices of pizza today |
| 14:58.40 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: that's too much effort |
| 14:58.43 | ^Migs^ | Pizza Hut does have good pizza |
| 14:58.57 | emcnabb | I like it, but sometimes it's too greasy |
| 14:59.01 | ^Migs^ | for free pizza??? I'd swim across the Bering Strait for free pizza |
| 14:59.04 | emcnabb | and trust me, I like greasy |
| 14:59.10 | ^Migs^ | yeah greasy's great |
| 14:59.27 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: if you swim across it I will buy you a pizza |
| 14:59.48 | ^Migs^ | I think it's a little overpriced, though, personally. If I had to balance quality vs. price and get the best value, I'd sooner get 5-Buck Pizza |
| 15:00.23 | emcnabb | and if you tie a cinder block to your neck I'll double the order :-) |
| 15:02.05 | graphyx | ^Migs^: I think you can find miniature cider blocks somewhere. |
| 15:02.49 | ^Migs^ | yeah, you never specified how big the cinder block has to be |
| 15:03.52 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: if you swim across it, even with a mini-cinder block, I'll still buy you two pizzas |
| 15:04.47 | ^Migs^ | how long will this offer last? |
| 15:08.45 | vontrapp | dang, i can't remember which school year fafsa i've done already |
| 15:14.04 | dataw0lf | emcnabb: strange and grumpy? I never would've thought |
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| 15:35.28 | emcnabb | dataw0lf: I'm actually a pretty nice person, most of the time |
| 15:35.53 | lukfugl | emcnabb: HA! |
| 15:36.38 | dataw0lf | emcnabb: you're as nice as I am.... >_> |
| 15:37.19 | dataw0lf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm_n76Dsl0c |
| 15:37.23 | dataw0lf | I love that commercial |
| 15:39.38 | emcnabb | let's take a survey (for people who know me in person): Jayce^ bytheway elg amcnabb herlo levi maquis vontrapp goozbach findlay ... Question: Is Evan a nice guy? |
| 15:39.54 | dataw0lf | aw jeez, I was just kidding with you |
| 15:39.59 | emcnabb | I know :-) |
| 15:40.07 | lukfugl | emcnabb: yes you are (I knew you in person back in the day, too) |
| 15:40.20 | emcnabb | lukfugl: I didn't put you on the list because you mocked me :-) |
| 15:40.25 | lukfugl | :P |
| 15:40.36 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 15:40.40 | emcnabb | you're not a part of my base stats |
| 15:40.55 | dataw0lf | http://flash-plaice.wikispaces.com/ cooltastic |
| 15:41.42 | elg | emcnabb is the nicest guy I know in NC |
| 15:42.07 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 15:42.28 | emcnabb | hum, maybe this survey thing wasn't such a good idea |
| 15:43.52 | dataw0lf | wow, spiderman 4, 5, 6 already being planned |
| 15:43.56 | elg | he's nicer than sjansen |
| 15:44.09 | emcnabb | elg: gee, thanks |
| 15:44.46 | elg | dataw0lf: i heard toby was not overly excited about it, and that raimi might be distracted by some other project, and that dunst wouldn't do it if either of them weren't on and... |
| 15:44.46 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 15:44.54 | dataw0lf | elg: tsk |
| 15:45.05 | dataw0lf | I wonder if 3 will be as awesome as 2 |
| 15:45.15 | elg | i heard on npr today that 3 is the most expensive movie evar |
| 15:45.16 | dataw0lf | it has Venom, which almost insures it will be, but we'll see |
| 15:45.20 | elg | 350 million or something |
| 15:45.42 | dataw0lf | it'll probably make that in the first two weeks |
| 15:48.46 | lukfugl | raimi = Harry? |
| 15:48.58 | levi | Sam Raimi = director |
| 15:48.59 | lukfugl | or some production guy (director)? |
| 15:49.02 | lukfugl | ok |
| 15:49.29 | levi | The genius who brought us the Evil Dead movies. :) |
| 15:51.17 | dataw0lf | yea, he's awesome |
| 15:51.20 | levi | Which is why Bruce Campbell keeps showing up in the Spiderman movies. :) |
| 15:51.24 | goozbach | emcnabb, a good guy? |
| 15:51.37 | goozbach | *snicker*... Sure |
| 15:52.39 | elg | ~grouphug emcnabb |
| 15:52.52 | levi | Speaking of Bruce, he's shooting a prequel to Bubba Ho-Tep, which I didn't see, but it sounded hilarious. |
| 15:52.52 | elg | ~dogpile emcnabb |
| 15:53.01 | goozbach | anyone read his book? (Cambell's) |
| 15:54.10 | emcnabb | http://www.vancouvercanucks.com/view_archive.asp?sectionID=5&id=2042 |
| 15:54.12 | brac | [The Vancouver Canucks] |
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| 15:56.18 | elg | ~flush emcnabb |
| 15:56.21 | ibot | ACTION flushes emcnabb like emcnabb was yesterday's lunch |
| 15:56.45 | lukfugl | http://silverlight.net/Default.aspx |
| 15:58.16 | tensai | I thought Sam Raimi was the chick from Metroid |
| 15:58.44 | elg | looks like yet another stupid media plugin that won't work in $OS |
| 15:59.30 | lukfugl | they *claim* firefox (win and mac) and safari will be supported, but your right, no mention of linux |
| 15:59.56 | lukfugl | but it (supposedly) allows flash-type programming with ruby/python/javascript |
| 16:00.16 | lukfugl | but it's microsoft |
| 16:01.27 | lukfugl | John Lam says the IronRuby (Ruby implementation on the DLR) will be released under the "Microsoft Permissive License", which he claims to be BSD-esque |
| 16:01.36 | lukfugl | haven't actually read the license yet |
| 16:01.50 | lukfugl | and I don't know if the DLR itself will be so permissively licensed |
| 16:02.12 | lukfugl | http://www.iunknown.com/2007/04/introducing_iro.html and http://blogs.msdn.com/hugunin/ |
| 16:02.25 | lukfugl | the "Ms-PL" http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sharedsource/licensingbasics/permissivelicense.mspx |
| 16:07.49 | elg | for those keeping track, still no lab. but we did talk about it more in class and now I have enough to get started |
| 16:08.34 | levi | "Microsoft is gathering feedback from customers like you on Silverlight and to help determine which platforms should be supported in the future." |
| 16:08.34 | elg | it would take me 3 hours tops in ruby |
| 16:08.34 | levi | elg: What about in erlang? |
| 16:08.34 | elg | hard to say, but I'm guessing it would take less time than it will to do it in simulink |
| 16:08.40 | elg | which is what I have to do it in. |
| 16:09.39 | elg | so apparently functional programming is becoming buzzwordy |
| 16:09.52 | levi | How so? |
| 16:10.26 | elg | completely unscientific reasons |
| 16:10.42 | elg | it does seem to pop up in unexpected places more and more |
| 16:11.26 | levi | Do you have some particular instances that stick out, or is this just a general feeling? |
| 16:14.43 | elg | linux journal: "The Rise of Functional Languages", new books (including the erlang one), various unrelated bloggers picking up a functional language, vontrapp actually learning something in 330, and my own feelings about what's going to happen as concurrency gets more and more important |
| 16:15.08 | levi | So does Silverlight = DLR, or is DLR something else in the OS? |
| 16:15.20 | lukfugl | DLR is an extension of CLR |
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| 16:15.35 | Jayce^ | oink |
| 16:15.35 | harleypig | Is anyone familiar with range extenders? |
| 16:15.38 | elg | "buzzwordy" was just being funny - I think a comment on one blog where someone was disparaging the poster "just another such and such rambling on about the latest buzzwords" |
| 16:15.38 | lukfugl | Silverlight is implemented using a subset of the DLR, from what I gather |
| 16:15.42 | harleypig | Jayce^ :P |
| 16:15.54 | harleypig | particularly d-link dwl-g710? |
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| 16:16.01 | elg | harleypig: they extend your range |
| 16:16.07 | levi | lukfugl: Ahh, okay. I imagine it must ship with the DLR, or at least a subset of it, then. |
| 16:16.17 | lukfugl | yeah |
| 16:16.17 | harleypig | Is anyone familiar with setting up and configuring range extenders? |
| 16:16.31 | harleypig | ~spank elg |
| 16:16.34 | ibot | ACTION bends elg over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on elg's pasty white buttocks. |
| 16:16.34 | levi | If the DLR is actually any good, it will be interesting to see how Ruby works on it. |
| 16:16.35 | elg | as in wireless repeater? |
| 16:16.43 | levi | There doesn't seem to be a lot of information about the DLR out there yet. |
| 16:16.43 | harleypig | Yeah. :] |
| 16:16.52 | elg | I tried to fix the repeaters in a hotel I was staying at in new orleans |
| 16:17.07 | elg | but basically, the positioning just wasn't getting enough reception |
| 16:17.14 | lukfugl | levi: http://blogs.msdn.com/hugunin/ |
| 16:17.22 | elg | they claimed it had used to work, but it wan't working one bit |
| 16:17.41 | levi | If Silverlight depends on DLR, and Silverlight runs on OS X, I suppose DLR will be accessible on OS X if Silverlight is installed. |
| 16:17.52 | elg | afaict a range extender just repeats packets on a different channel |
| 16:17.55 | harleypig | I'm able to get this stupid extender configured and actually connected to it wirelessly (I can access the configuration pages wirelessly) but I can't connect to the intertubes through it. |
| 16:18.23 | elg | the one I was looking at had some rudimentary filtering capabilities, maybe look there? |
| 16:18.40 | harleypig | d-link support started out with "Hello. My name is Mickle (whispering in the background) uh ... Michelle ..." and went downhill from there. |
| 16:19.02 | lukfugl | "all of the new DLR platform code available on codeplex under the BSD-style Microsoft Permissive License." |
| 16:19.10 | harleypig | Yeah, no filtering on this thing. |
| 16:19.14 | harleypig | I thought of that. |
| 16:19.32 | harleypig | If I look at the routers logs the mac address for this thing *is* associating ... |
| 16:20.07 | harleypig | I'm positive its something I'm doing (or not doing) but I can't figure out what it might be. |
| 16:20.12 | elg | harleypig: does it run linux? :) |
| 16:20.25 | harleypig | I have no idea. |
| 16:20.43 | levi | lukfugl: Interesting. It appears to all be written in C# |
| 16:21.06 | elg | conceptually, you have two radios and a bridge |
| 16:21.20 | harleypig | The bridge being the extender, right? |
| 16:21.57 | elg | well the bridge beint the internal mechanism which sends the packets out the opposite radio that they were received on |
| 16:22.06 | harleypig | Heh ... I opened my pepsi and my 4 year old goes "Ewww ... your pepsi farted dad!" |
| 16:22.07 | elg | the extender itself has 2 radios |
| 16:22.17 | lukfugl | I guess I need to corerct some of earlier statements from "javascript" to "managed jscript" |
| 16:22.21 | harleypig | elg makes sense |
| 16:22.44 | elg | so there's 3 points of failure. figure out if each radio is working and if the bridge is working |
| 16:22.52 | harleypig | err ... stoopid irc client -> elg: makes sense |
| 16:22.59 | elg | i do make cents |
| 16:23.05 | harleypig | heh |
| 16:23.06 | elg | a few at a time |
| 16:23.54 | harleypig | Currently, I'm working with a windows machine that connects to the network wireless just fine *without* the extender. |
| 16:24.15 | harleypig | There are two other computers connected to the wireless router just fine in other locations. |
| 16:24.22 | harleypig | So, the endpoints aren't the problem. |
| 16:24.45 | elg | levi: so I got to the end of the erlang book |
| 16:24.47 | levi | If this is indeed the source code to the so-called "DLR", I can't say I'm terribly impressed. |
| 16:25.02 | elg | i skimmed a large part of the second half |
| 16:25.02 | levi | elg: Is it finished yet, aside from editing? |
| 16:25.11 | elg | getting fairly close |
| 16:25.29 | elg | i'm still holding out hope that he'll put more excercises in |
| 16:26.04 | lukfugl | levi: you looking in the Src/Microsoft.Scripting repo of the IronPython project? |
| 16:26.14 | lukfugl | (I'm not sure if I'm in the right place) |
| 16:26.15 | levi | lukfugl: Yup. |
| 16:26.54 | levi | It appears to be a compiler of some sort, though it'd take some study to figure out exactly how it works. |
| 16:27.08 | elg | i have only two real criticisms of the book at this point: 1. more excercises, 2. he does a lot of things from scratch to demonstrate the language, but then doesn't tell you the "but here's the module you'd use to do it in real life, rather than rewriting it from scratch" bit (at least not consistently/coherently) |
| 16:27.38 | levi | You should give feedback to that effect, if you haven't already. |
| 16:27.45 | elg | so you learn about the language but not as much about the std library |
| 16:28.08 | elg | there is a chapter on otp, one on mnesia, one on ets and dets, etc. but not one that really covers the stdlib |
| 16:28.48 | levi | The stdlib documentation is actually pretty decent. |
| 16:28.57 | elg | yeah, it's not the documentation |
| 16:29.05 | elg | it's the "this is what's out there" part |
| 16:29.21 | lukfugl | are they planning on making erlang error messages more sane at any point? |
| 16:29.24 | elg | a vital part in learning any language, IMO, is to know what's already been done for you |
| 16:29.44 | herlo | emcnabb: you are nice |
| 16:29.54 | elg | if that means you have to read through reams of documentation, it's not a very quick pickup |
| 16:30.07 | elg | -lart herlo |
| 16:30.10 | findlay | ~nice emcnabb |
| 16:30.13 | ibot | ACTION lowers emcnabb's priority |
| 16:30.21 | herlo | ~poo elg |
| 16:30.23 | ibot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at elg |
| 16:31.02 | levi | Ahh, the DLR does seem to have some message dispatch caching. |
| 16:31.08 | levi | That's encouraging. |
| 16:31.34 | levi | And since it's all in C#, it may work in mono. |
| 16:31.43 | elg | they do have a nice reference going over all the stdlib modules and functions giving the signature and a nice short one-sentence description of what it does |
| 16:32.23 | elg | I just zipped through a scala intro too, looks like an interesting language |
| 16:32.52 | levi | Yeah, it is pretty interesting. |
| 16:33.02 | elg | erlang has some funny archaic warts, but I have yet to see anything to parallel its elegance in concurrency |
| 16:33.24 | levi | Gotta get your covariance/contravariance down to work with Scala in depth, though. :) |
| 16:33.40 | elg | that sounds scary :) |
| 16:34.04 | elg | scala is very much like the denotational semantics stuff I did last semester |
| 16:34.19 | elg | from the quick intro, it looked like I could basically translate all my stuff more or less directly into scala |
| 16:34.37 | lukfugl | http://www.hanselman.com/blog/content/binary/WindowsLiveWriter/PuttingMixSilverlighttheCoreCLRandtheDLR_13FC1/HanselmanDotNetEcosystemVisualization%5B9%5D.png |
| 16:34.42 | levi | You should give it a try and see how it goes. |
| 16:35.36 | elg | looks like the coreclr branch is about to break off |
| 16:35.42 | levi | elg: I was able to build a genetic programming solution to the knapsack problem with it, and distribute a jar that worked on my teacher's computer. That was slick. |
| 16:35.44 | elg | there's a fracture. is that symbolic? |
| 16:36.18 | elg | that is nice. looks very pragmatic in a java world |
| 16:36.40 | elg | nice mix of pragmatic (to java people) and theoretical |
| 16:36.47 | levi | Yup. |
| 16:36.54 | harleypig | so, elg (or anyone else who might know), should how should I set the computer up to access the extender. I've been able to access the extender with the wireless card as is, but should I be doing something different with the network connections? |
| 16:37.08 | levi | I did have to distribute the core scala runtime jar files for it to work, though. |
| 16:37.51 | elg | harleypig: afaik (and I've never actually successfully set one of these things up) it should work like a hub or switch |
| 16:38.14 | elg | except it's passing the radio on, not level 2 |
| 16:38.35 | elg | are you sure the extender is compatible with the AP? |
| 16:38.37 | levi | lukfugl: Interesting diagram, especially the disclaimer on the bottom. :) |
| 16:38.50 | lukfugl | yeah, I particularly liked the disclaimer :) |
| 16:39.02 | lukfugl | it's from this article: http://www.hanselman.com/blog/PuttingMixSilverlightTheCoreCLRAndTheDLRIntoContext.aspx |
| 16:39.50 | harleypig | elg: Other than they are both d-links and both relatively recent models, no. |
| 16:40.20 | lukfugl | huh, that article says Adobe has open sourced Flex |
| 16:40.26 | lukfugl | missed that announcement |
| 16:40.37 | levi | lukfugl: Yup, it went out a couple of days ago, IIRC. |
| 16:41.47 | harleypig | so I should be able to leave 'Obtain IP Address from DHCP server' checked then? |
| 16:42.33 | levi | lukfugl: From what I can tell, the DLR is a translation layer from a dynamic language to CLR bytecode that includes some dynamic optimizations, like polymorphic method caching. |
| 16:42.56 | lukfugl | so you'll still need a CLR to run the output of the DLR? |
| 16:43.05 | levi | lukfugl: Correct. |
| 16:43.06 | lukfugl | darn |
| 16:43.33 | levi | But CLR implementations exist on most platforms now, to some degree. |
| 16:44.11 | levi | And it looks like there will be an official Microsoft one on OS X. |
| 16:44.39 | levi | The possibility of a Linux one doesn't seem completely closed, either. |
| 16:48.49 | elg | harleypig: you should be able to, yes |
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| 16:50.16 | elg | harleypig: so client can ping the repeater? |
| 16:50.47 | harleypig | yeah, can even access the configuration pages (via http) wirelessly |
| 16:51.49 | Jayce^ | ~lart the echo people |
| 16:51.49 | ibot | squeezes the echo people till the echo people turns blue like papa smurf |
| 16:52.35 | elg | can you ping something in your network that isn't on the repeater? |
| 16:52.48 | harleypig | Not while connected to the repeater. |
| 16:54.12 | elg | can you ping the repeater from the lan? |
| 16:54.43 | harleypig | No, but the logs on the router say its associated. |
| 16:55.06 | harleypig | I'm truly confused. I know I'm nowhere near an expert on networking, but I thought I knew more than this ... |
| 16:55.07 | elg | do you have appropriate ip address/mask/gateway settings on the repeater? |
| 16:55.17 | harleypig | I thought I did |
| 16:55.23 | elg | looks like the default is 192.168.0.30 |
| 16:55.30 | harleypig | ip address is hardcoded with default of yeah... |
| 16:55.35 | harleypig | mask is 255.255.255.0 |
| 16:55.41 | harleypig | and gateway is 192.168.0.1 |
| 16:55.47 | elg | and your lan subnet is... |
| 16:55.58 | harleypig | 192.168.0 |
| 16:56.33 | harleypig | (That's a weak spot for me ... I *think* it's 192.168.0.1/24 but I'm not clear on how the /24 works) |
| 16:56.41 | elg | 24 bits |
| 16:56.44 | elg | each octet is 8 bits |
| 16:57.04 | harleypig | each ip on the network is 192.168.0.# |
| 16:57.19 | harleypig | And the mask is the same as well. |
| 16:57.25 | harleypig | which makes sense I guess. |
| 16:57.27 | elg | so 255.255.255.0 is ff.ff.ff.00 in hex, is 24 bits of 1s and 8 bits of 0s for a total 32 bits |
| 16:57.44 | elg | so /24 is 255.255.255.0 |
| 16:57.55 | harleypig | heh ... so I was guessing correctly. |
| 16:59.12 | elg | is the client on the repeater set up with a 192.168.0/24 address, mask, and 0.1 gateway? |
| 16:59.21 | harleypig | Yeah. |
| 16:59.52 | elg | do you see anything coming from it in tcpdump? |
| 17:00.02 | harleypig | I hope I've not been doing a *d'oh* thing ... I just noticed that the DHCP setting on the router's range is 100-199 for the final octet ... but the mac for the extender has been given a static ip ... would this be a problem? |
| 17:00.26 | elg | no |
| 17:00.30 | harleypig | I'm on a windows machine. I ahve to make sure this works on the winblows boxes before I spend time making it work on my linux box. |
| 17:00.34 | elg | not unless something's already using .30 :) |
| 17:00.43 | harleypig | Otherwise, people will be unhappy wiht me. |
| 17:00.48 | levi | Anyway, my verdict now is that the DLR is cool stuff. It's very encouraging that it's open source, at least as far as the 'permissive license' really is BSD-style. |
| 17:00.50 | harleypig | I don't think so. |
| 17:01.09 | elg | the client is set up with dhcp? |
| 17:01.14 | elg | and it's getting a lease? |
| 17:02.22 | levi | It's not fully baked yet, but it's on the way, and there seem to be smart people working on it. |
| 17:02.34 | harleypig | From the wireless router while not connected to the extender. |
| 17:02.37 | elg | 3 cheers for smart people |
| 17:02.51 | levi | And I believe that, if it doesn't yet, it will be able to work with mono at some point. |
| 17:03.21 | harleypig | Oops. I have to hardcode the ip address when connecting to the extender. That's the only way I can access the extender. |
| 17:03.29 | harleypig | Important little tidbit of info I forgot to mention. |
| 17:03.31 | harleypig | Sorry. |
| 17:03.37 | elg | and you give it which address? |
| 17:03.42 | harleypig | 192.168.0.30 |
| 17:03.48 | elg | your client? |
| 17:04.00 | harleypig | oh, no. 192.168.0.random |
| 17:04.09 | harleypig | usually 155 (that's what d-link suport told me to try) |
| 17:04.10 | elg | 31 let's say |
| 17:04.22 | elg | do they have a fetish for 155? |
| 17:04.32 | lukfugl | levi: agreed. from what I've read today, DLR is our friend. silverlight I'm still on the fence about |
| 17:04.41 | elg | 155 is in your dhcp range, so let's stick with something < 100 |
| 17:04.43 | harleypig | heh ... I don't think they knew what they were doing very well. |
| 17:04.45 | elg | that you know isn't used anywhere else |
| 17:04.56 | elg | like 31 |
| 17:05.04 | harleypig | Good point. |
| 17:05.35 | elg | set it to 31, on the extender (which is set to 30) and try to ping your router |
| 17:05.58 | lukfugl | ummm, apparently a customized google homepage is "iGoogle" now |
| 17:06.10 | harleypig | all right. It's this machine, so I'll reconnect in a few minutes. |
| 17:06.15 | elg | what does the rest of the lan look like? wireless router appliance? linux box? |
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| 17:07.05 | levi | lukfugl: Apparently, Silverlight is going to be all text-based, so you'll be able to 'view source' on Silverlight 'pages'. |
| 17:07.17 | lukfugl | levi: oh? |
| 17:07.28 | lukfugl | nifty |
| 17:07.30 | harleypig_ | woops ... |
| 17:07.41 | elg | -lart harleypig_ |
| 17:07.47 | elg | there's a woops |
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| 17:09.36 | levi | lukfugl: The only downside I can see to Silverlight is that there is initially no Linux support, and not all of it may be open source. |
| 17:10.38 | levi | Technology-wise, it seems really cool. |
| 17:10.50 | lukfugl | levi: and that it's yet another plugin to be abused as flash has been abused. just because I can abuse it using ruby doesn't make it not abuse :) |
| 17:11.06 | lukfugl | but yeah, tech-wise it's cool |
| 17:11.20 | lukfugl | especially if they give us linux support |
| 17:14.26 | levi | Fortunately, the DLR component of it should at least be portable to Linux. |
| 17:16.53 | lukfugl | so we can still have our server side ironruby |
| 17:17.01 | lukfugl | I'm excited about the explosion in Ruby's implementation-space |
| 17:17.45 | levi | Yeah. I imagine there may be problems with DLR + mono out of the box right now, but hopefully those will be fixable. |
| 17:19.12 | levi | I think it's kind of ironic, though. People have been touting the benefits of single implementation scripting languages as reasons to use them over Scheme and Common Lisp, since those have some incompatibilities in their implementations. But Ruby is moving in that direction now, too! |
| 17:19.16 | elg | my advisor is checking out ruby, and liking it |
| 17:19.44 | elg | levi: what people have been touting that and why? |
| 17:20.15 | elg | what benefits can single-implementation possibly have, other than there is an implicit canonical truth? (much better to have a spec, though) |
| 17:20.25 | levi | elg: For the most part, if you use perl or python or ruby right now, you don't have to make any choices as to which implementation to use, and you only have a single set of libraries to choose from. |
| 17:20.58 | findlay | except when you have to deal with the windows ports |
| 17:21.05 | elg | well, there's multiple implementations and then there's fragmentation |
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| 17:21.24 | elg | you shouldn't have to choose between sets of libraries |
| 17:21.25 | levi | Once you have multiple implementations, you have multiple sets of libraries, and a program written in one implementation with one set of libraries and implementation quirks may not work perfectly in another. |
| 17:21.37 | levi | elg: Inevitably, you will. |
| 17:21.43 | elg | whatever for? |
| 17:21.51 | levi | What's the point of multiple implementations if they are exactly the same? |
| 17:21.53 | harleypig | elg: Nope. Made no difference. |
| 17:22.01 | elg | harleypig: now check the arp cache |
| 17:22.08 | elg | on the box you were pinging |
| 17:22.22 | elg | levi: performance perhaps? which platform(s) they run on? |
| 17:22.39 | elg | I think it would be ludicrous to say any implementation set out to have different semantics than the original |
| 17:22.59 | levi | elg: One of the big benefits of running on CLR or JVM is that you get to call the wealth of libraries on those platforms. |
| 17:23.11 | levi | I'm not talking about different semantics. |
| 17:23.11 | elg | external libraries, that's another story |
| 17:23.27 | elg | if you write a program to make use of java libraries, then it's a ruby/java program |
| 17:24.06 | levi | elg: Anyway, I don't see this as a problem, myself. |
| 17:24.10 | elg | that's wholly different from the lisp world, where you have a bunch of libraries that seem to exist only because of NIH syndrome. (I have no real insight into it, but that's what it looks like) |
| 17:24.58 | lukfugl | s/lisp/CPAN/ |
| 17:25.25 | elg | it's difficult to get started with a lisp because there's so many incompatible choices, different library sets, subtly different syntaxes, etc. |
| 17:25.42 | ^Migs^ | omg Spider-Man 3 Friday! |
| 17:25.53 | findlay | ~spider ^Migs^ |
| 17:26.01 | ibot | ACTION yells at ^Migs^ "omg!! there's a huge hairy spider on your back!!" |
| 17:26.08 | harleypig | ^Migs^: You're just now noticig this?! |
| 17:26.09 | lukfugl | I don't think I'll be able to convince my wife to go until next week sometime |
| 17:26.11 | elg | that's what people don't like. if there was one lisp semantics/syntax and 100 implementations, that would be fine |
| 17:26.39 | levi | elg: Thing is, that is precisely the case with Common Lisp. |
| 17:26.40 | elg | if you could access external libraries through some of those implementations, some people would write programs to use those external libraries and they'd only be runnable on those implementations. that too would be fine |
| 17:26.55 | levi | It has an ANSI spec, after all. |
| 17:27.18 | elg | but common lisp is only a subset of lisps |
| 17:27.19 | ^Migs^ | I haven't been to a movie theater in years, but I may make an exception this time |
| 17:27.47 | levi | elg: Common Lisp and Scheme are the only two Lisps that matter now. Both have well-specified semantics and syntax. |
| 17:27.53 | harleypig | elg: On windows - arp -a only shows the current gateway. |
| 17:28.18 | elg | you want to check the arp cache on the router or whatever you were pinging |
| 17:28.27 | levi | Well, maybe elisp, too, but only for use within emacs. |
| 17:29.06 | harleypig | Oh ... I can't ... the router just has a log file. The mac associated with the extender *is* showing up as having associated though. |
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| 17:29.43 | levi | elg: Schemes tend to differ a lot more in the additional features they provide beyond the specs than Common Lisp implementations do, but there are these things called SRFIs that help to standardize extensions, too. |
| 17:29.48 | elg | levi: ok, that's 2 too many. i'm being facetious. I know that scheme and common lisp have some differences that probably make perfect sense to lispers |
| 17:30.07 | elg | but to the curly-brace masses, lisp and scheme and elisp and whatever else all look the same |
| 17:30.17 | elg | but they're different in frustrating ways as soon as you try to learn them |
| 17:31.24 | elg | my thought is simply that if anyone's knocking the multiple implementations thing, that's the reason |
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| 17:31.47 | elg | not because common lisp has multiple implementations, but because to the curly-brace masses Common Lisp and Scheme are both LISP, but they're not compatible |
| 17:32.07 | levi | elg: There are actually few people that complain about that particular thing, though. |
| 17:32.20 | elg | well there's always people to complain about something :) |
| 17:32.39 | levi | elg: Most have picked either Common Lisp or Scheme, but whine about the differences between Common Lisp implementations. |
| 17:33.21 | Lone_Wanderer | quit talking elg you're making the text scroll on my screen! |
| 17:33.30 | elg | multiple implementations will either lead to fragmentation or rigorous specification in ruby. My feel is that it's tending towards specification and is overall a good thing |
| 17:33.36 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.39 | findlay | ha |
| 17:33.47 | lukfugl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.59 | Lone_Wanderer | :'( u r al sooo meen!!!! |
| 17:34.07 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.10 | elg | -chat Lone_Wanderer |
| 17:34.10 | brac | Lone_Wanderer had |
| 17:34.17 | Lone_Wanderer | I had what, brac? |
| 17:34.17 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.21 | elg | but then it scrolled away |
| 17:34.25 | Lone_Wanderer | :'( |
| 17:34.25 | findlay | Lone_Wanderer must be sensitive to his screen scrolling |
| 17:34.27 | elg | -chat about scrolled off |
| 17:34.27 | brac | scrolled off |
| 17:34.29 | findlay | oops |
| 17:34.31 | findlay | sorry |
| 17:34.36 | elg | -chat findlay |
| 17:34.37 | brac | findlay was never a good ol' Lehi Roller mills as their low-end model. This is not changed for changes in ignition timign? |
| 17:34.55 | levi | elg: Regardless of the direction things go, there will be differences between the implementations. Hopefully there will indeed be a solid spec, so at least the divergences will be outside of it. |
| 17:34.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Er? |
| 17:35.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Wow, Findlay gets a long one and I get "had". |
| 17:35.12 | lukfugl | brac can make typos now |
| 17:35.15 | elg | levi: yes, and there will no doubt be growing pains |
| 17:35.30 | elg | but at least the "ruby isn't fast enough" people can go jump in a lake. :) |
| 17:35.47 | lukfugl | -chat elg |
| 17:35.47 | brac | elg went |
| 17:35.53 | elg | -chat lukfugl |
| 17:35.53 | lukfugl | -chat lukfugl |
| 17:35.53 | brac | lukfugl went |
| 17:35.54 | brac | lukfugl had |
| 17:35.57 | levi | elg: Indeed. |
| 17:36.04 | elg | -chat lukfugl was |
| 17:36.04 | brac | lukfugl was curious as to how you are to blame. :> |
| 17:36.06 | lukfugl | -chat elg likes |
| 17:36.07 | brac | elg likes |
| 17:36.12 | levi | elg: I'm still holding out hope for Strongtalk to come back to life. |
| 17:36.20 | lukfugl | -chat levi is |
| 17:36.20 | brac | levi is right; we tore their electrical and water services to pieces |
| 17:36.38 | elg | who? who have we conquered? |
| 17:36.48 | elg | -chat it's the |
| 17:36.48 | brac | it's the little area zoomed to pointless green blob? |
| 17:36.58 | levi | elg: There are a couple of people working on making it build in Linux. At that point, one could probably bootstrap Ruby on it. |
| 17:37.42 | elg | lukfugl: doesn't rails run on jruby these days? |
| 17:38.21 | lukfugl | elg: mostly |
| 17:38.30 | lukfugl | they've got a few issues they're still ironing out |
| 17:38.56 | lukfugl | rumor has it that JRuby will go 1.0 this month. I imagine it should run Rails fine by then |
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| 17:44.44 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 17:44.44 | ibot | nabs the moon and broadsides Jayce^ with the sea of tranquility |
| 17:46.14 | Jayce^ | -lart Keighvin |
| 17:46.23 | Keighvin | LOL! |
| 17:46.43 | lukfugl | ~lart brac |
| 17:46.43 | ibot | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses brac's head to break the homerun record |
| 17:46.53 | lukfugl | -lart ibot |
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| 17:52.41 | sjansen | I vaguely remember a command that could be used whiled telneted into a remote machine that could used to transfer a file over the connections. IIRC, the same command can now be used with SSH. Anyone know what I'm talking about? |
| 17:55.24 | Tene | Vaguely. |
| 17:55.30 | Tene | Enough to confirm that it exists. |
| 17:56.49 | raventh1 | dang |
| 17:56.56 | raventh1 | Description: |
| 17:56.56 | raventh1 | Previous versions of the vim package allowed two functions, feedkeys() and |
| 17:56.56 | raventh1 | writefile(), to be used in the sandbox. Functions executed via modelines in |
| 17:56.56 | raventh1 | files being edited are verified by the sandbox; a user who is coerced into |
| 17:56.56 | raventh1 | opening a specially-crafted file could cause the system to execute arbitrary |
| 17:57.01 | raventh1 | shell code supplied by the attacker. |
| 17:57.06 | raventh1 | http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/467202 |
| 17:57.16 | Keighvin | Telnet was a kermit based file transfer - I believe ssh is some variant of RCP. |
| 17:58.56 | goozbach | sjansen: Jayce^ (i think) once showed me a command to do that. |
| 17:59.06 | goozbach | I don't remember what it was however |
| 17:59.51 | findlay | secret_copy_command? |
| 18:00.04 | goozbach | somethinkg lik thate |
| 18:00.27 | goozbach | ok where did that "g" come from? and how did the "e" jump "that"? |
| 18:00.31 | Tene | ctrl+alt+meta+esc+tab |
| 18:00.52 | goozbach | Tene: he's talking ssh, not emacs |
| 18:01.21 | goozbach | wow! that's a VERY difficult cord |
| 18:01.27 | goozbach | I needed two hands |
| 18:01.36 | Jayce^ | sjansen, sz |
| 18:03.12 | lukfugl | awesome |
| 18:03.54 | lukfugl | I get sz: command not found :( |
| 18:04.29 | Jayce^ | might want to fix that lukfugl |
| 18:04.30 | Jayce^ | DESCRIPTION |
| 18:04.30 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.30 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.30 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.45 | goozbach | Jayce^: how about you write up a blog entry showing an example :) |
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| 18:27.27 | sjansen | Jayce^: You're going to blog about sz? Obrigrado! |
| 18:30.01 | findlay | file `which sz`: uber-secret perl script |
| 18:30.33 | findlay | cat `which sz`: cp /all/your/base j@findlay.com:/to/us |
| 18:31.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Does anyone know how to disable the ctrl+alt+del hotkey under KDE..? I'm somewhat sure it's "Logout without conffirmation"... and seeing as my desktop switching hotkey is ctrl+alt+pgup/pgdown... I have this stupid tendancy to hit del as my hand moves over to pgup/pgdown :( |
| 18:32.18 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the sixth time I've done that in the past two days, and this time it took my OOo compile with it |
| 18:32.33 | findlay | not as bad as when I occasionally hit <ctrl><alt><backspace> by accident. All my session and unsaved data gone, no questions asked :) |
| 18:32.43 | findlay | ScytheBlade1: you should be using screen for that at least |
| 18:32.48 | ScytheBlade1 | findlay, I am this time. |
| 18:32.50 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 18:33.32 | findlay | ScytheBlade1: and `ebuild $(equery which openoffice) merge` will save you the time to start over the ebuild |
| 18:33.46 | findlay | it will pick up where it left off |
| 18:33.54 | ScytheBlade1 | findlay, ehh, too late for that. |
| 18:34.05 | findlay | well, now you know :) |
| 18:34.09 | ScytheBlade1 | That I do :) |
| 18:34.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus I'm leaving in ~40 minutes to go take my last final, so it doesn't matter all that much to me now |
| 18:34.56 | ScytheBlade1 | But it's still annoying. |
| 18:35.44 | findlay | ScytheBlade1: is that key combo not in the main kde key settings control panel? |
| 18:36.18 | sjansen | ScytheBlade1: I know how to do it at the xorg.conf level. Not at the KDE level, though. |
| 18:36.20 | ScytheBlade1 | findlay, it is, and it's disabled... which is why I'm asking here. Hoping to find out where else it may be defined |
| 18:36.32 | sjansen | Oh, wait, n/m. I'm thinking c-a-backspace. |
| 18:36.34 | findlay | besided I thought kde handled ctrl+alt+del by bringing up a logout dialog |
| 18:36.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, it sure doesn't do that for me :) |
| 18:37.00 | findlay | hm |
| 18:37.02 | ScytheBlade1 | (But my KDE install is far from default) |
| 18:37.09 | findlay | heh |
| 18:38.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm in all reality a minimalist, and KDE is anything but that |
| 18:38.44 | ScytheBlade1 | So my KDE is tweaked out to no end |
| 18:38.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure there's not one default hotkey remaining ;) |
| 18:40.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Just wondering if it's an X setting somewhere, and not a KDE setting |
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| 19:10.02 | elg | -chat the end |
| 19:10.02 | brac | the end of the page isn't bad at 8khz = 64kbit |
| 19:12.52 | lukfugl | -chat just wondering |
| 19:12.52 | brac | just wondering what the status of new age long ago |
| 19:13.43 | elg | well, he can do arithmetic |
| 19:13.55 | elg | brac: nice observation. new age isn't so new anymore |
| 19:17.27 | elg | -chat scala is |
| 19:17.27 | brac | scala is difficult for me to stop off at E-3 when you called them nvrs |
| 19:18.25 | lukfugl | -chat about -chat |
| 19:18.26 | brac | -chat is |
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| 19:40.18 | levi | Mmm, nice bike ride. |
| 19:46.18 | goozbach | levi: doing some riding then? |
| 19:46.41 | goozbach | I rode about 7 miles in 20minutes yesterday |
| 19:46.56 | levi | I just rode about 23 miles. |
| 19:48.33 | levi | From around the Bluffdale freeway exit down into Lehi, west on Main street out to the Jordan River parkway, all the way back behind the windmills, up to Camp Williams, and then down Redwood and back up to the Bluffdale exit. |
| 19:48.47 | emcnabb | wow |
| 19:49.07 | levi | The Jordan River parkway behind Thankgiving Point is beautiful. |
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| 19:53.57 | nick125_ | I have 4 18.2GB drives, I need a RAID level thats secure, but, holds a lot of data. Suggestions? |
| 19:54.50 | nick125_ | I'm thinking of doing 5, but, I'm not sure |
| 19:55.47 | nick125_ | Actually, theres 5 drives |
| 19:56.07 | goozbach | raid 0+1 |
| 19:56.10 | goozbach | :) |
| 19:56.21 | goozbach | raid 7? |
| 19:56.23 | nick125_ | with 5 drives? |
| 19:56.39 | goozbach | I'm being silly |
| 19:56.51 | nick125_ | I need to get as much storage as possible, but, data integrety is semi-important |
| 19:56.56 | goozbach | secure+space almost always equals raid 5 |
| 19:58.10 | nick125_ | I hope I'm not forced to use the stupid built-in RAID card |
| 19:58.25 | goozbach | mdadm |
| 19:58.29 | goozbach | and go to town |
| 19:58.39 | nick125_ | I like software RAID better then hardware RAID |
| 19:58.50 | goozbach | or use a distro which has an installer worth it's weight |
| 19:58.59 | goozbach | eg suse or redhat/fc |
| 19:59.42 | nick125_ | Meh, I can do RAID by hand (I did a RAID-1 on my gentoo server) |
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| 20:00.52 | nick125_ | this is a nice little machine, it's going to be a great LDAP/Samba/Kerberos/NFS server :-) |
| 20:02.32 | nick125_ | Fun. I deleted the built-in RAID controller's config and now the drive doesn't show up in linux |
| 20:04.46 | goozbach | fun. I cut off the branch I was standing on... and now I'm falling towards the ground... hmmm.? |
| 20:05.26 | nick125_ | I'd assume that once I delete the RAID controller config, the drives would show up as individual drives |
| 20:05.46 | ^Migs^ | haha, iGoogle? http://www.google.com/ig |
| 20:07.39 | nick125_ | Ugh, how do I disable this stupid RAID card.. |
| 20:07.45 | nick125_ | LOL |
| 20:09.42 | nick125_ | This is brilliant: two of the drives are 10,000rpm, the other three are 7,200rpm |
| 20:12.48 | findlay | so you have to angle them differently so the torque evens out |
| 20:13.20 | nick125_ | Does anyone here know how to disable an IBM ServeRAID card? |
| 20:13.40 | goozbach | with a hammer? |
| 20:13.46 | goozbach | usually there's a bios |
| 20:13.54 | goozbach | reboot and watch closely |
| 20:13.58 | nick125_ | goozbach: Nothing in the BIOS to disable the card |
| 20:14.08 | nick125_ | It has the "mini-configuration" thing, but, that's worthless |
| 20:15.37 | ^Migs^ | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,269455,00.html |
| 20:15.52 | nick125_ | It has an Adaptec SCSI card, but, they aren't using it for the drives |
| 20:17.49 | findlay | yay. Mozart lieder |
| 20:19.04 | findlay | looks like there's bugs in feisty's termcap |
| 20:19.21 | nick125_ | Aaah, maybe if I plugged the drives into the built-in Adaptec card |
| 20:22.34 | nick125_ | there we go |
| 20:23.46 | findlay | it leaves artifacts all over the place |
| 20:23.59 | findlay | and turns on the system bell :( |
| 20:30.00 | nick125_ | Ugh, how long should it take to low-level format a 18.2G 10,000RPM drive? |
| 20:30.16 | elg | nick125_: approximately too long |
| 20:31.04 | nick125_ | I started it 20 minutes ago, any chance of it finishing in the next 5 minutes? |
| 20:31.22 | elg | not enough information |
| 20:31.27 | elg | but I'd guess, no |
| 20:31.49 | elg | but there is a chance I'm wrong :) |
| 20:31.51 | elg | one way to find out |
| 20:32.10 | elg | another mind-blowing lab assignment http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~ipivkina/cs272/Homework/lab10.html |
| 20:32.12 | brac | [Spring 2007: CS272 Lab #10] |
| 20:32.33 | nick125_ | I was supposed to get off 5 minutes ago |
| 20:32.54 | elg | let's do binary search tree stuff, but a binary search tree by itself would be too obvious. let's make them implement a bag _using_ a binary search tree, but don't ask them to actually do anything bag-like |
| 20:33.09 | elg | nick125_: well then you go home and let it run all night |
| 20:33.49 | nick125_ | good idea |
| 20:35.28 | elg | and let's forget everything we learned about generics and go back to silly classes like "IntTreeBag" |
| 20:35.29 | nick125_ | bbl.. |
| 20:35.30 | nick125_ | lol |
| 20:38.36 | levi | elg: IntTreeBag is so wrong. |
| 20:39.14 | levi | Even before generics, that would be very un-Java-like. |
| 20:39.36 | levi | Maybe you would do that in pre-template C++. |
| 20:43.40 | lukfugl | elg: is that the class you're TAing? |
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| 20:46.39 | sjansen | Something fun for GNOME users: |
| 20:46.53 | emcnabb | sounds like fun |
| 20:46.57 | sjansen | Press "Alt-F2" to get the run dialog. The run "free the fish". |
| 20:47.18 | sjansen | Press "Alt-F2" to get the run dialog. The run "gegls from outer space". |
| 20:47.32 | emcnabb | nice :-) |
| 20:47.56 | sjansen | Something fun for anyone in #utah: |
| 20:47.59 | sjansen | ~lart emcnabb |
| 20:47.59 | ibot | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up emcnabb |
| 20:48.19 | lukfugl | ~rlart |
| 20:48.31 | ibot | puts beandog through a wood chipper |
| 20:49.45 | lukfugl | or is it your actual lab (for that one clase)? |
| 20:49.59 | lukfugl | I hope it's not the latter |
| 20:50.58 | elg | lukfugl: ya |
| 20:50.58 | elg | levi: just another in a long line of TypeSubtypeType classes we've inflicted on these poor students |
| 20:51.28 | beandog | what's a wood chipper? |
| 20:52.40 | lukfugl | a thing that chips wood |
| 20:52.41 | sjansen | A large machine for turning trees into small chips. |
| 20:52.53 | findlay | they taste like potato chips |
| 20:53.01 | sjansen | but earthier |
| 20:53.04 | findlay | you just need a little garlic and a lot of oil |
| 20:53.11 | elg | and heat! |
| 20:53.16 | findlay | yes |
| 20:54.55 | beandog | earthy++ |
| 20:56.30 | emcnabb | sjansen: the fish was a hit with my coworkers |
| 20:56.47 | sjansen | :-) |
| 21:00.03 | ^Migs^ | what is going on here? http://images.apple.com/chatterbox/us/2007/04/3878/img/mainimage.jpg |
| 21:00.40 | ^Migs^ | WorldWide Developer's Conference? |
| 21:06.46 | beandog | I hope those are some long cables. |
| 21:06.52 | lukfugl | ^Migs^: didn't you know there were only two developers in the world? |
| 21:07.01 | beandog | LOL |
| 21:07.05 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha |
| 21:07.13 | lukfugl | two apple devs, that is |
| 21:07.49 | levi | I hack on the beach all the time. Best place to code! Getting the sand out of the computers afterwards is a pain, though.... |
| 21:12.40 | lukfugl | 6m radius sphere, huh? |
| 21:12.40 | lukfugl | that's a big room |
| 21:12.55 | beandog | deafeningly quiet? |
| 21:13.16 | lukfugl | beandog: obviously you've never been in a deafeningly quiet room, if you have to ask that |
| 21:13.17 | findlay | no, 25 m ^3 |
| 21:13.50 | lukfugl | ah, I though you mean 25 m^3, not (25 m)^3 |
| 21:14.12 | lukfugl | and the X-Men reference made me think you were implying a spherical room |
| 21:14.41 | findlay | http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/checklist.html |
| 21:15.35 | findlay | I guess I should have said 25 m X 25 m X 25 m |
| 21:16.11 | findlay | the only problem with spheres is they don't tile 3 space |
| 21:17.43 | lukfugl | sure they do. just not constant size spheres, nor a finite quantity :) |
| 21:20.33 | goozbach | sjansen: how do I get rid of this damn fish now? |
| 21:21.29 | goozbach | ~defish me |
| 21:21.46 | herlo | goozbach: surgery |
| 21:21.50 | herlo | goozbach: i was watching Grey's anatomy last night and one guy had a fish in his bladder. It's apparently from the amazon and starts out rather small. |
| 21:22.00 | herlo | Swims up your urine stream |
| 21:22.11 | herlo | and lodges itself in your urethra |
| 21:22.17 | herlo | they call it the "Penis Fish" |
| 21:22.34 | sjansen | ~language herlo |
| 21:22.47 | ibot | ACTION grabs herlo by the ear and washes herlo's mouth out with soap |
| 21:22.47 | lukfugl | swims up the stream? that's a buff fish |
| 21:22.47 | herlo | when they pulled it out of the guy, it was about 3 inches long with a var large head |
| 21:22.47 | herlo | sjansen: Penis is not a bad word... |
| 21:23.11 | sjansen | No, but it seemed appropriate. |
| 21:23.40 | herlo | ~lart sjansen |
| 21:23.40 | ibot | slams sjansen against a large cement Tux |
| 21:25.34 | findlay | ~appropriate herlo |
| 21:25.36 | ibot | ACTION makes herlo feel appropriateness whether herlo wanted to be appropriate or not |
| 21:25.51 | herlo | ~herlo findlay |
| 21:25.53 | ibot | ACTION pokes findlay with a sharp needle. |
| 21:26.03 | herlo | laughs meniacally |
| 21:26.19 | findlay | ~bzfrag needle |
| 21:26.21 | ibot | ACTION fries needle with a laser |
| 21:33.45 | goozbach | herlo: yeah, I've heard about that. |
| 21:33.57 | goozbach | they tell you not to take smilebreaks because of it |
| 21:36.02 | herlo | right |
| 21:36.25 | jsmith | herlo: Go home! |
| 21:36.37 | herlo | okay |
| 21:49.02 | levi | This looks interesting: http://flash-plaice.wikispaces.com/ |
| 21:58.32 | findlay | this Mozart lieder is pretty good |
| 22:00.41 | levi | elg: If you're still going to do that bzflag thing, you might look at this guy's stuff: http://artificial-intelligence-theory.blogspot.com/2007/04/my-experiences-writing-ai-software-for.html |
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| 22:41.57 | levi | I should set up the Dell 6950 I've got access to as a build machine. |
| 22:43.01 | jsmith | It's a screaming machine |
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| 22:43.22 | jsmith | And when I say screaming, I mean "screaming at the top of your lungs" to be heard over it kinda box |
| 22:45.37 | levi | jsmith: Well, it would not be anywhere near me. :) |
| 22:46.00 | jsmith | Yeah... the ones I have access to are in Florida for a reason |
| 22:46.23 | levi | I don't think I'd want to put this one quite that far away. |
| 22:54.51 | levi | Arg, apparently UVSC has switched to using Blackboard. |
| 22:55.14 | findlay | really? |
| 22:55.45 | findlay | they're just all a bunch of cruft |
| 22:56.08 | findlay | uvsc's website, well, that's another story |
| 22:56.25 | findlay | it's a tangled mess of redirects and confused pages |
| 22:56.47 | nick125_lappy | Has anyone seen dilvie around in the past few days (I still need to talk to him about using his music on my CC radio station)? |
| 22:56.57 | findlay | ~seen dilvie |
| 22:57.38 | ibot | dilvie <n=chatzill@c-67-169-243-184.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 8d 18h 13m 24s ago, saying: 'yay'. |
| 22:58.23 | findlay | nick125_lappy: in the meantime you can just do: `./play_radio_music </dev/urandom` |
| 22:59.21 | nick125_lappy | findlay: I've got about 10 hours of CC music so far |
| 22:59.44 | findlay | any Mozart? |
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| 23:00.07 | findlay | if my family ever records chamber music it's going to be CC |
| 23:00.21 | nick125_lappy | findlay: I don't think I have any mozart |
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| 23:02.37 | findlay | speaking of which, I'm starting lessons next week |
| 23:04.26 | elg | interesting. some rails programmer about an hour up the road called me and left a message, says he got my number from some guy I've never heard of at the albq. ruby users group |
| 23:04.44 | elg | i wonder who knows me (and my number) at the albq. ruby users group |
| 23:05.06 | nick125_lappy | Maybe its a conspiracy! |
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| 23:05.46 | elg | oh definitely |
| 23:05.52 | elg | findlay: getting hit on the head lessons? |
| 23:06.15 | findlay | viola lessons |
| 23:06.25 | elg | th eonly thing I can think of is maybe that one guy here who lives in albq. nick125_lappy is that you? I can never remember |
| 23:06.56 | elg | I can *almost* imagine random ruby programmers knowing my name and email |
| 23:07.15 | findlay | elg is almost famous |
| 23:07.21 | nick125_lappy | I'm not a ruby developer, but, I do live in albq. |
| 23:07.26 | elg | and although my phone is readily available on my resume on the web, I find it odd that anyone would happen to have my phone number with them |
| 23:07.36 | elg | since anyone who _does_ correspond with me knows I hate the phone :) |
| 23:07.42 | findlay | maybe he had wifi at the moment |
| 23:07.51 | elg | never gone to the ARUG I s'pose |
| 23:07.56 | TheWoozle | (Hmm, I have a friend in Albuquerque... but I haven't been able to drag her onto IM, much less IRC.) |
| 23:08.19 | TheWoozle | nick125_lappy: I have some original music which is available under CC. |
| 23:08.43 | nick125_lappy | TheWoozle: Awesome. Do you mind if I play it on my station? |
| 23:08.50 | elg | should I go to the mythtv demo at the local lug tonight? |
| 23:08.57 | TheWoozle | http://wiki.hypertwins.org/index.php/The_Cheap_Imitation |
| 23:09.12 | TheWoozle | nick125_lappy: please feel free to spread it all over creation ^_^ |
| 23:09.25 | nick125_lappy | TheWoozle: Awesome! |
| 23:09.31 | TheWoozle | I'm changing my "artist name" to Woozalia, fwiw |
| 23:09.41 | TheWoozle | Got the domain; just gotta set up new web site. |
| 23:10.17 | elg | why not, "The Expensive Imitation" |
| 23:10.21 | elg | or "The Gourmet Imitation" |
| 23:10.45 | elg | speaking of imitations, I went and got some free pizza from pizza hut |
| 23:11.06 | findlay | <html><head>MY NEW SITE!!!</head><body>Under Construction .............. <img src="under_construction_animation.gif" /></body></html> |
| 23:11.12 | findlay | that should get you started |
| 23:11.17 | elg | Giving away a new kind of pizza is a good chance to make a good impression. Giving away boring cheese pizza that was made hours ago and kept in a hot bag is a good way to spoil it |
| 23:11.29 | TheWoozle | The original idea was that I'm a "cheap imitation" of a band... back when one-person recording acts were a bit less common. |
| 23:11.49 | elg | and now that they are, demand has risen and so has your price, so now you're the expensive imitation ;-) |
| 23:12.03 | findlay | with experience |
| 23:12.09 | TheWoozle | I'm the Total Quality Guaranteed Imitation! |
| 23:12.18 | elg | now you're thinkin' |
| 23:12.25 | nick125_lappy | TheWoozle: Any specific songs you'd like me to play? |
| 23:12.46 | TheWoozle | Well, can you describe the sort of music you're playing, in general? |
| 23:13.03 | nick125_lappy | Really anything, actually. |
| 23:13.18 | nick125_lappy | Mostly rock/pop/etc though |
| 23:13.20 | elg | so anyway, my semicritical amateur semi-know-what-I'm-talking-about analysis of pizza hut's new "hand-tossed style pizza" is that they added more sugar and fat to the crust and needed a name for their magic sweet-tooth-addicting concoction |
| 23:13.38 | TheWoozle | "Chameleon" is kind of alt-jazzy; "AtBG" is poppy with a bit of emo... |
| 23:13.39 | elg | TheWoozle: what kind of music do you make? |
| 23:13.51 | TheWoozle | It generally falls into the category of "experimental pop" |
| 23:14.03 | nick125_lappy | I'm thinking of adding more "stations" sometime.. |
| 23:14.04 | findlay | cool |
| 23:14.14 | TheWoozle | Much of the music needs significant finishing work. |
| 23:14.39 | lukfugl | nick125_lappy: is this a streaming station, or an actual on-the-air station? |
| 23:14.43 | findlay | 5 more CDs and I've listened to the complete works of Mozart! |
| 23:14.50 | nick125_lappy | lukfugl: streaming station |
| 23:15.05 | nick125_lappy | I'm too poor to start an on-the-air station |
| 23:21.11 | TheWoozle | Related concept I'm working on in the back of my head: http://wiki.hypertwins.org/index.php/Legal_Music_Trading_Group |
| 23:21.11 | lukfugl | yeah, I was gonna give you a super high-five if you had managed that. instead you'll just get an enthusiastic high-five |
| 23:21.12 | nick125_lappy | One problem I'm having is finding decent CC music. It's all scattered around the internet, half of the content currator sites on the CC site don't actually have "Creative Commons Licensed" sections. |
| 23:22.33 | TheWoozle | Yep. Scattering is an issue. |
| 23:22.37 | QBFreak | woozle! |
| 23:22.48 | TheWoozle | Heya QB! |
| 23:22.50 | QBFreak | that reminds me, I have music for woozle |
| 23:23.00 | QBFreak | just as soon as I can find the discs and rip them... |
| 23:23.00 | TheWoozle | . o O ( wait... QB's not in Utah! ) |
| 23:23.16 | TheWoozle | . o O ( wait... I'm not in Utah either! AAaaaaaHhh! ) |
| 23:23.21 | QBFreak | think of me as Tene's visitor that wouldn't leave :) |
| 23:23.25 | TheWoozle | heh |
| 23:23.39 | QBFreak | I think they've turned me into a couch or something |
| 23:23.53 | TheWoozle | "#utah" = People Actually In Utah And Their Techie Friends from Wherever ^_^ |
| 23:26.05 | TheWoozle | (but... but... all routes lead to Utah!) |
| 23:29.07 | nick125_lappy | TheWoozle: So, you want me to tag you music as "Woozalia" for the artist? |
| 23:29.50 | TheWoozle | Yeah, that'd be good. Thanks. |
| 23:30.11 | TheWoozle | One of these days I'll tag everything properly. |
| 23:30.22 | TheWoozle | (including cc license stuff and so on) |
| 23:32.00 | nick125_lappy | Okay, I've added them to my MPD collection (I don't have enough time to do the playlists by hand, yet) |
| 23:32.31 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@dhcp21.cs.nmsu.edu) |
| 23:34.36 | nick125_lappy | One of my hopes with my little project is that it'd help bring CC music more into mainstream, and to expose overlooked artists and their music |
| 23:36.57 | nick125_lappy | Tene: Seems like an interesting project, a very limited selection of artists |
| 23:37.10 | *** join/#utah bonez39 (n=bonez@c-71-195-250-0.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 23:38.42 | nick125_lappy | also hasn't had a release in about 3 years |
| 23:40.05 | nick125_lappy | Also, with this project, any donations we get would be split up among the artists that we play, with a portion for ourselves (bandwidth isn't cheap, sadly) and a portion going to Creative Commons and xiph |
| 23:43.22 | bonez39 | I have installed fluxbox on my system.....I know it's here...I run 'update-alternatives --config -x-window-system' and yet it displays nothing....am I running this incorrectly? |
| 23:43.23 | nick125_lappy | Like 5% going towards fees, 10% going towards the cost of running servers, 10% going towards creative commons, 10% going towards xiph, and the rest towards artists |
| 23:45.01 | nick125_lappy | If anyone knows of any other great CC-licensed artists, please let me know. I really want to play them on my little station. |
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| 23:48.18 | dna3e8 | I am tring to install FC 6 but after the first part of the install it seems like bios doan't know there is a drive plugged in |
| 23:50.48 | TheWoozle | Here's my brief (but growable!) directory: http://htyp.org/Internet#Music |
| 23:51.43 | nick125_lappy | I've been looking on jamendo, and, it's a great little site, the only issue is that a lot of the music there is in French |
| 23:56.06 | nick125_lappy | Also, the main issue with Magnatune is that they require you to buy the music to get music without the text at the end |
| 23:56.39 | nick125_lappy | The issue with that is I have an extremely limited supply of money. |
