| 00:11.45 | mrpull | Lone_Wanderer: still looking for MS's number? |
| 00:11.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Nope, I got 'em |
| 00:12.04 | mrpull | ok. cool. i wont look it up :) |
| 00:12.09 | mrpull | what's broken? |
| 00:12.58 | Lone_Wanderer | on XP? |
| 00:13.26 | Lone_Wanderer | I can't install it. I've got my friend's registration key, but it won't work with my CD. |
| 00:13.34 | Lone_Wanderer | And she doesn't have her original CD any more. |
| 00:13.53 | mrpull | ahah. that is a mess. there are lots of CDs and lots of keys |
| 00:14.01 | raventh1 | ya |
| 00:14.05 | jsmith | dozens of versions, etc. |
| 00:14.06 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, that's kind of the impression I got :( |
| 00:14.09 | raventh1 | quite a problem actually :( |
| 00:14.17 | raventh1 | most of it comes from oem stuff |
| 00:14.43 | raventh1 | like if you bought a dell and tried to use that key, you have to have the specific dell oem install for that key to work |
| 00:15.20 | Lone_Wanderer | It was a Totally Awesome CD |
| 00:15.41 | raventh1 | ah, no clue what they had |
| 00:15.44 | Lone_Wanderer | And they, of course, are out of business. I talked to PC Laptops and they said that they need the sticker that has her key on it, or they can't do anything. |
| 00:15.52 | Lone_Wanderer | PC Laptops took over their support contract |
| 00:15.56 | raventh1 | does she still have the sticker ? |
| 00:15.58 | mrpull | they didn't put the XP label on the machine? |
| 00:16.14 | Lone_Wanderer | She doesn't have it, no. And the sticker isn't on the machine either. I don't know why. |
| 00:17.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyway, I've got their number, I'll call them and see what they can do. |
| 00:37.10 | Tene | ~lart elg |
| 00:37.10 | ibot | farts in elg's general direction |
| 00:37.41 | Tene | wasn't it elg that was looking for bricks? |
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| 01:30.13 | elg | hmm. my wife has a red scribble on her screen. she says this morning it (the mouse) just started scribbling |
| 01:30.21 | Sargun | lol |
| 01:30.25 | Sargun | XGL? |
| 01:30.33 | elg | is compiz or beryl known to have scribbling capabilities? |
| 01:30.35 | Sargun | yeah |
| 01:30.44 | Sargun | <Super><Alt><Button1> |
| 01:30.50 | graphyx | Are you sure she didn't mean a literal mouse? |
| 01:30.55 | Sargun | annote is the plugin |
| 01:31.02 | elg | how do you unscribble? |
| 01:31.08 | graphyx | reboot! |
| 01:31.23 | Sargun | <Super><Alt> + K |
| 01:32.07 | Sargun | elg, I think |
| 01:32.09 | Sargun | yeah |
| 01:32.25 | Sargun | elg, Works? |
| 01:32.35 | elg | yeah |
| 01:32.56 | elg | that's kind of funny |
| 01:33.00 | Tene | elg: was it you that was looking for bricks? |
| 01:33.13 | elg | almost gave me a heart attack though. I thought my son had drawn on the screen with a red marker |
| 01:33.18 | Tene | Heh. |
| 01:33.19 | elg | Tene: yes? |
| 01:33.25 | Sargun | elg, Its a funny prank |
| 01:33.38 | graphyx | elg: I should install it just to fool my wife. |
| 01:34.16 | Tene | elg: I was checking out craigslist, and I saw this post, and vaguely remembered someone here looking for bricks not too long ago, or something of the sort: http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/zip/318480303.html |
| 01:34.23 | elg | Tene: if you know of some bricks in the las cruces area, I'd love them |
| 01:34.58 | elg | do they mean 4/28? |
| 01:35.08 | Tene | Most likely. |
| 01:36.18 | Sargun | http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/zip/319552862.html |
| 01:36.26 | Sargun | Workers not included |
| 01:37.01 | Tene | Sargun: who here lives in the SF area and wants cubicles? |
| 01:38.18 | Sargun | me! |
| 01:39.30 | Tene | So why did you post it here? |
| 01:41.35 | graphyx | Sargun: he has a point |
| 01:43.41 | Sargun | No idea! |
| 01:58.38 | vontrapp | did any one try to talk to me in the last week or so? |
| 01:59.46 | jsmith | Talk *to* you, or talk *about* you? |
| 02:01.09 | vontrapp | either, but you'ld only tell me about the former |
| 02:04.14 | graphyx | should we have? |
| 02:05.53 | vontrapp | you don't have to. if you don't want to talk to me then fine |
| 02:06.07 | vontrapp | i'll just be over here eating worms |
| 02:07.03 | elg | you've been larted a few times |
| 02:08.09 | Tene | ~lart vontrapp |
| 02:08.09 | ibot | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets vontrapp feel it |
| 02:08.13 | vontrapp | not rlarted? |
| 02:08.24 | vontrapp | if it's not r, it doesn't count |
| 02:09.24 | graphyx | ~rlart vontrapp |
| 02:09.30 | graphyx | feel better? |
| 02:11.03 | vontrapp | i don't think i've ever been rlarted |
| 02:11.10 | vontrapp | ~rlart |
| 02:11.13 | ibot | executes killall -TERM tristanbob_ |
| 02:13.24 | elg | ~rlart |
| 02:13.27 | ibot | forces emcnabb to use Outlook Express |
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| 02:23.27 | graphyx | vontrapp: Do you just happen to have an improbability drive? |
| 02:25.35 | harleypig | ~rlart |
| 02:25.39 | ibot | beats the living hamstercrap out of ChanServ |
| 02:25.49 | harleypig | ~rlart |
| 02:25.50 | ibot | crushes jNb3k with a full height scsi disk |
| 02:26.02 | harleypig | ~rlart |
| 02:26.04 | ibot | blasts Newsome with a huge firehose then strangles Newsome with it |
| 02:26.27 | harleypig | I kilt it. |
| 02:26.42 | harleypig | Or not |
| 02:27.27 | elg | ~rlart |
| 02:27.31 | ibot | drops a truckload of VAXen on fdiaz |
| 02:27.41 | graphyx | ~rlart |
| 02:27.42 | ibot | blames ^Migs^ for all the evil in the world |
| 02:27.53 | graphyx | ~rlart |
| 02:27.55 | ibot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats nick125 until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 02:41.24 | harleypig | ~rlart |
| 02:41.34 | ibot | whips out his power stapler and staples nick125's foot to the floor |
| 02:41.34 | harleypig | ~rlart |
| 02:41.39 | ibot | beats vontrapp into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
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| 02:42.07 | harleypig | there ya go |
| 02:42.17 | graphyx | lql |
| 02:42.19 | graphyx | lol |
| 02:42.27 | graphyx | It just took a bit of chance. |
| 02:43.05 | harleypig | How can I tell what type of filesystem a drive is? |
| 02:43.56 | harleypig | nm |
| 02:43.56 | harleypig | cat /proc/mounts |
| 02:44.09 | graphyx | or just type mount |
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| 02:47.33 | harleypig | err ... that'd be too easy |
| 02:52.21 | graphyx | bash help anyone? |
| 02:52.24 | graphyx | Trying to do this |
| 02:52.25 | graphyx | for i in `cat ../targets `; do nmap -sU -P0 -p 1-65535 -g 53 $i > U$i &; done |
| 02:52.41 | graphyx | but the > gets interpreted in this line rather than put into the for loop |
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| 02:52.48 | graphyx | how do I do that correctly? |
| 02:52.58 | beandog | harleypig: pingie |
| 02:53.06 | graphyx | he is here |
| 02:53.18 | harleypig | Either for i in ... ; do ( nmap > U$i & ) ; done |
| 02:53.36 | graphyx | ok |
| 02:53.38 | graphyx | thanks |
| 02:53.40 | harleypig | or for i in ... ; do ... ; done > ... |
| 02:53.51 | harleypig | oh, the second one won't wor. |
| 02:53.54 | harleypig | beandog: ? |
| 02:54.04 | beandog | harleypig: do you have a second you can look at my schema |
| 02:54.10 | harleypig | Sure. |
| 02:54.10 | beandog | since you commented on my last snapshot :) |
| 02:54.15 | harleypig | :] |
| 02:54.16 | beandog | thank you sir |
| 02:54.24 | harleypig | meh ... i work for a living |
| 02:54.26 | beandog | http://spaceparanoids.org/nephi/scriptures_pgsql_070425.sql.zip |
| 02:54.31 | graphyx | the () did the trick |
| 02:54.42 | harleypig | cool |
| 02:54.42 | graphyx | much better that typing in the 20 ips. |
| 02:54.44 | graphyx | thanks. |
| 02:54.52 | harleypig | welcome :] |
| 02:55.19 | harleypig | beandog: Do you know about inheritance in postgresql? |
| 02:55.27 | beandog | uh |
| 02:55.33 | beandog | maybe :) |
| 02:55.37 | beandog | Im horrible on teminology |
| 02:55.38 | harleypig | I haven't met too many people who are comfortable with it, but I think it's a cool idea. |
| 02:55.43 | beandog | terminlogy |
| 02:55.45 | beandog | bah |
| 02:55.45 | beandog | fail. |
| 02:56.08 | harleypig | create table _base1 ( id serial blah blah ) |
| 02:56.18 | harleypig | create table _base2 ( title varchar ... ) |
| 02:56.34 | harleypig | create table something ( ... ) inherits from ( id, title ) |
| 02:56.45 | harleypig | id and title are automatically created in something |
| 02:56.59 | beandog | Hmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 02:57.00 | harleypig | the syntax might be different ... it's been awhile. |
| 02:57.05 | beandog | interesting |
| 02:57.05 | graphyx | would that be a way of assigning foreign keys and such? |
| 02:57.07 | beandog | whats the advantage? |
| 02:57.11 | beandog | referential integrity? |
| 02:57.44 | harleypig | No, ... you just don't have to explicitly define, e.g., the id line for each table, just inherit from the base table. |
| 02:58.12 | harleypig | Gimme a minute, I'll look for the docs. |
| 02:58.18 | beandog | http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.0/interactive/ddl-inherit.html |
| 02:58.48 | harleypig | yeah, that's it. |
| 02:59.33 | beandog | hmm |
| 02:59.35 | beandog | Well, Im lost. |
| 02:59.38 | beandog | time to read up. |
| 03:00.53 | beandog | wow |
| 03:00.56 | beandog | ~asplode my brain |
| 03:01.06 | ibot | my brain head asplode, k thx |
| 03:01.06 | beandog | that is funky |
| 03:01.07 | harleypig | heh |
| 03:03.25 | harleypig | LIKE may be more appropriate in this case though ... hmmm ... it's been a while since I've read the docs, other than to lookup syntax I already knew. |
| 03:04.22 | elg | Don't be shy. Use LOVE |
| 03:04.46 | harleypig | I don't wanna marry it! I just wanna use it! |
| 03:05.02 | elg | ~use harleypig |
| 03:05.39 | harleypig | beandog: Is this alter and drop stuff for existing tables? |
| 03:05.46 | beandog | yah |
| 03:06.18 | harleypig | May I suggest creating two separate files, one for existing installations and one for new installations? |
| 03:08.10 | elg | no |
| 03:08.46 | beandog | harleypig: well I could just take out the drop tables stuff |
| 03:08.53 | beandog | that'd be a maintenance nightmare though. |
| 03:09.07 | harleypig | My 9 year old daughter just put my nerf dart gun to my head and said "Tell me where the candy is and no one gets hurt!" |
| 03:09.28 | elg | so did you get hurt? |
| 03:09.35 | harleypig | beandog: I don't see why ... |
| 03:09.36 | harleypig | :> |
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| 03:10.05 | harleypig | elg: No ... but someone got tickled. |
| 03:11.41 | harleypig | beandog: Everytime you make a change to the database, put the final commands you used in a file called "scriptures_pgsql_update_<version or datestamp>.sql" |
| 03:12.40 | beandog | harleypig: no, Im serious, it would be way too much work |
| 03:12.49 | beandog | Im doing ports of like 8 different databases |
| 03:12.54 | beandog | the less work, the better |
| 03:13.25 | harleypig | I understand. |
| 03:14.46 | harleypig | :D |
| 03:16.07 | beandog | harleypig: other than that, whatchoo thing? |
| 03:16.08 | beandog | think |
| 03:16.32 | harleypig | still looking. I hate postgresql's dump format. |
| 03:16.41 | beandog | yah, doesnt have too many options. |
| 03:16.41 | beandog | :T |
| 03:17.07 | harleypig | Is the format of the actual data the same for each database? |
| 03:17.25 | beandog | uh |
| 03:17.26 | beandog | it will be |
| 03:17.29 | beandog | psql is the first so far. |
| 03:17.49 | harleypig | It'd be easier if the data itself were in another file. |
| 03:17.59 | beandog | I can re-dump it if you like |
| 03:18.21 | harleypig | I've got 2GB of ram and gvim is still taking forever to scroll back and forth. |
| 03:18.44 | beandog | heh |
| 03:19.05 | harleypig | I mean, I could delete it ... if I was going to work on it at all ... ah wth, I'll delete it anyway. |
| 03:19.36 | harleypig | much better |
| 03:20.36 | harleypig | My *only* problem with using a dump is that (and mysql does this as well) it doesn't dump out the structure the same way I would create it. |
| 03:22.03 | harleypig | Ok ... in verses you have chapter smallint ... but I don't see a fk restraint to chapters ... |
| 03:22.45 | harleypig | nm ... there it is. |
| 03:22.49 | beandog | k |
| 03:23.13 | harleypig | Are you planning on adding other tomes to this at some point? |
| 03:23.31 | beandog | yes |
| 03:23.35 | harleypig | I think I ask you this about once every two years. |
| 03:23.44 | beandog | eventually |
| 03:24.14 | harleypig | what is lds_org in volumes? |
| 03:24.35 | beandog | scriptures.lds.org's naming scheme |
| 03:24.47 | harleypig | Oh. |
| 03:25.16 | harleypig | You mean BoM 1Ne for Book of Mormon 1 Nephi |
| 03:25.25 | harleypig | err ... I think that's it. |
| 03:27.44 | beandog | yah |
| 03:27.45 | beandog | looks okay? |
| 03:27.48 | beandog | I cleaned it up a lot |
| 03:27.48 | harleypig | Looks good to me. |
| 03:27.51 | beandog | :) |
| 03:27.52 | beandog | thanks |
| 03:27.56 | beandog | indexes ok? |
| 03:27.57 | harleypig | :] |
| 03:27.58 | beandog | that was my big worry. |
| 03:27.59 | beandog | :T |
| 03:29.02 | harleypig | double checking |
| 03:30.01 | beandog | gotsa run, bbl |
| 03:30.05 | harleypig | k |
| 03:58.21 | tensai | ~lart elg |
| 03:58.21 | ibot | slaps elg upside the head with a wet fish |
| 04:22.36 | levi_home | Good evening. |
| 04:26.34 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 04:27.01 | elg | levi_home: so I wrote what I do know about my project (still no spec) in ruby in about 1.5 hours. so I think I'll rewrite it in erlang for kicks |
| 04:27.15 | elg | and because erlang is, being functional, not entirely unlike simulink |
| 04:27.28 | elg | which is a graphical thing |
| 04:27.34 | elg | as in graph theory |
| 04:28.29 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 04:28.40 | levi_home | Interesting. I've never heard of simulink. |
| 04:29.07 | levi_home | But building your erlang chops is likely to be a good thing. |
| 04:29.29 | elg | ya. the new concurrency introduction chapter in the book is a nice raed |
| 04:29.35 | levi_home | Hmm, apparently Jack Valenti is dead. |
| 04:29.46 | elg | simulink is apparently popular among engineering types doing simulations |
| 04:30.02 | tensai | levi_home: got whacked by a vcr did he? |
| 04:30.41 | elg | it's not entirely unlike pd/max or one of them other graphical synthesis/filtering applications |
| 04:30.54 | levi_home | I think he was just old. |
| 04:31.07 | levi_home | I'm not familiar with any of those graphical synthesis/filtering applications. |
| 04:31.23 | elg | so I've been exposed to the whole approach, though I've never found it overly convenient |
| 04:31.30 | levi_home | elg: BTW, seen this? http://xavier.informatics.indiana.edu/~craphael/music_plus_one/index.html |
| 04:31.40 | elg | it's a nice paradigm for setting up instruments modularly |
| 04:31.41 | levi_home | Sounds like it'd be up your alley. |
| 04:32.24 | levi_home | Another article about it here: http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20070421/bob8.asp |
| 04:32.37 | brac | [The Machine's Got Rhythm: Science News Online, April 21, 2007] |
| 04:33.17 | elg | sure is. cool |
| 04:35.57 | elg | i've tried to do stuff in pd, and it's just a lot of mousing and pedantry |
| 04:36.28 | elg | it's great for making instruments, terrible at doing mundane things like capturing midi events, setting up polyphony, etc. |
| 04:36.44 | elg | I think a hybrid is in order, and some people have done/are doing things like that |
| 04:36.58 | elg | i don't spend enough time in actually creating new music or sounds to be an expert in it |
| 04:37.12 | levi_home | I think I've seen stuff like you're talking about, but only at a surface level. |
| 04:38.09 | elg | Simulink seems like it would likewise be powerful insofar as you're piecing together not too many modules to do your task |
| 04:38.30 | elg | it all depends on the existence of useful components |
| 04:38.59 | elg | like software reuse, it's a great idea that works great when you're solving the same problems over and over |
| 04:39.09 | elg | which may apply to simulation, for the most part |
| 04:39.28 | elg | but to us CS people seems to fall on its face |
| 04:39.39 | elg | we'll see if actually working in it changes my POV |
| 04:40.15 | levi_home | Yeah, software reuse is one of those grand goals of programming that never quite pans out like you thought it would. |
| 04:40.29 | elg | something in me says that these graphical systems aren't too far from functional programming, though I'm not sure why |
| 04:40.38 | elg | haven't articulated that thought well |
| 04:40.47 | elg | but it's good enough reason to practice erlang :) |
| 04:40.48 | levi_home | Actually, I would guess they are very close to dataflow programming. |
| 04:41.14 | elg | certainly |
| 04:41.16 | levi_home | And erlang would be a pretty good platform for dataflow programming. |
| 04:41.49 | elg | haven't thought much about it yet, but my biggest concern is that simulation is very much about repeatedly updating state |
| 04:41.54 | elg | hope that doesn't get ugly |
| 04:42.29 | levi_home | Dataflow and functional programming are related in that they are both declarative. |
| 04:42.55 | levi_home | I'd say that dataflow is functional + concurrency, although I may be missing something. |
| 04:43.16 | elg | yeah that's my instinct too |
| 04:43.40 | levi_home | SICP includes a section on building a dataflow programming system for electronic circuit simulation. |
| 04:43.48 | elg | and I have been exposed to these dataflow ideas more than a little in synthesis land |
| 04:44.32 | levi_home | SICP is one of the best books ever. |
| 04:44.36 | elg | it's a natural model, whether graphical (in the graphics sense) or not, since you're basically simulating analog circuits |
| 04:45.03 | elg | and "unit generators" like oscillators and whatnot that are mathematically convenient as well as being physically modular |
| 04:45.29 | elg | ~SICP |
| 04:45.37 | ibot | sicp is, like, Structure & Interpretation of Computer Programs, by Abelson and Sussman. |
| 04:45.37 | levi_home | OS X has a graphical dataflow language for building visual effects, too. |
| 04:47.30 | elg | well, 'night |
| 04:51.29 | Tene | ~PCIS |
| 04:59.04 | beandog | thanks harleypig |
| 04:59.07 | beandog | :) |
| 05:04.05 | Tene | ~explode |
| 05:04.06 | ibot | BOOOM |
| 05:04.15 | Tene | ~harleypig beandog |
| 05:06.52 | harleypig | welcome ... hope it was helpful |
| 05:07.02 | beandog | definately |
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| 08:58.12 | Sargun | anyone awake? |
| 09:37.11 | Supaplex | uh not for long |
| 11:14.17 | Tene | I shouldn't be. |
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| 13:18.22 | graphyx | ~praise ibot |
| 13:18.32 | ibot | All hail ibot! |
| 13:19.43 | goozbach | echo.... pineapple plle plee pldsf |
| 13:25.51 | graphyx | So it seems that gentoo is starting to die. |
| 13:25.52 | graphyx | I just downloaded the install iso and it is about 1 year old. |
| 13:25.52 | graphyx | anyone else notice that? |
| 13:28.55 | ^Migs^ | I don't think that necessarily means it's starting to die. Just that its developers are getting lazy. |
| 13:29.15 | ^Migs^ | it could make a sudden comeback |
| 13:31.54 | jsmith | Or is it just that Ubuntu is the new Gentoo? |
| 13:32.56 | goozbach | http://www.zonageek.com/blog/archivos/2007/04/23-121420.php |
| 13:34.47 | goozbach | http://indexed.blogspot.com/2007/04/work-or-play.html |
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| 14:43.22 | elg | -chat |
| 14:43.23 | brac | although on some hardware |
| 14:43.26 | elg | -chat |
| 14:43.26 | brac | Using ME is maine... |
| 14:43.42 | elg | did brac just make a pun? |
| 14:43.48 | jsmith | I think so |
| 14:44.00 | jsmith | I think there's some real intelligence there |
| 14:44.13 | jsmith | -chat about hate Fridays |
| 14:44.13 | brac | hate Fridays |
| 14:46.22 | goozbach | -chat |
| 14:46.23 | brac | we'll get at the local bar that shall not pass! .. he went on vacation and turned greedy and tried again, but maybe this is no worse than paper |
| 14:48.29 | levi | Hmm, slow morning. Hi, everyone. |
| 14:48.49 | jsmith | -chat about morning is |
| 14:48.50 | brac | morning is <reply> I have today |
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| 14:51.20 | elg | -chat about levi |
| 14:51.20 | brac | levi did |
| 14:51.26 | levi | did not! |
| 14:51.34 | elg | -chat about did too |
| 14:51.34 | brac | did too for holding Mecworks up for no apparent reason :) |
| 14:51.54 | levi | Heh. |
| 14:52.18 | elg | you should have let him fall, dude |
| 14:52.29 | levi | I guess so. |
| 14:52.46 | levi | Would have been messy, though. |
| 14:53.40 | jsmith | -chat about Why did |
| 14:53.40 | brac | Why did you do on television last night" ;; (sports) a period of time? |
| 14:55.57 | ^Migs^ | http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/360827,CST-NWS-essay27.article |
| 14:56.41 | ^Migs^ | I don't understand what rights we have anymore when writing or speaking. When did anything become "going too far" in America? I thought that was one of the great things about our country. |
| 14:57.56 | levi | You're confusing the rights of adults and the rights of high school children. |
| 14:58.51 | levi | But really, what kind of idiot head-in-the-sand kid do you have to be to think writing something like that is a good idea? |
| 14:59.01 | ^Migs^ | you're right. Even though he was 18, he's still in the public school system. |
| 14:59.10 | elg | another shining example of alarmism, but that kid was not firing on all cylinders when he turned that in |
| 14:59.10 | ^Migs^ | oh, trust me, kids that age are all idiots |
| 14:59.32 | ^Migs^ | I can totally see one of my friends writing something like that in high school, and he's definitely not an anarchist |
| 14:59.43 | ^Migs^ | he'd do it just to be "controversial." I'm sure plenty of kids are like that. |
| 14:59.54 | elg | yeah, but not a week after the VT incident |
| 15:00.06 | levi | ^Migs^: Then he, too, would be a total idiot. |
| 15:00.09 | ^Migs^ | well, that probably was in bad taste |
| 15:00.11 | ^Migs^ | yeah, he's an idiot |
| 15:00.24 | ^Migs^ | an incredibly smart idiot, unfortunately |
| 15:00.43 | elg | you be controversial, you not be surprised at controversy9 |
| 15:00.52 | levi | Not that I think being an idiot should be a criminal offense, but I can only have so much sympathy for idiots. |
| 15:03.44 | levi | If he was really smart and creative, he would have hidden the violence behind some veneer of acceptability. |
| 15:04.30 | ^Migs^ | it seems all Asians are suspect now |
| 15:04.43 | ^Migs^ | incidentally the friend I just mentioned is Korean. Coincidence? |
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| 15:05.03 | levi | I won't rest until not only all Asians, but all ^Migs^ as well are suspect! |
| 15:05.20 | ^Migs^ | a wise move |
| 15:15.11 | lukfugl | ~blame ^Migs^ |
| 15:15.26 | ibot | ACTION blames ^Migs^ (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 15:15.29 | levi | http://open.neurostechnology.com/node/873 |
| 15:15.42 | Zelut | anyone know if its possible to bind a range of ports when port binding over ssh? (ie, using the -L) |
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| 15:24.35 | rsimpkins | Zelut: Yes. |
| 15:31.34 | tensai | oh it's so nice to be back in linux. that windows thing is a nightmare. I don't think it'll ever take off. |
| 15:31.41 | Zelut | rsimpkins: what is the syntax? I didn't see any mention of ranges in the -L section of the man page. |
| 15:34.37 | tensai | lukfugl: did you make your dutch oven bread? |
| 15:35.36 | lukfugl | tensai: yes |
| 15:35.48 | tensai | how did it go? |
| 15:36.05 | lukfugl | worked fairly well. I had some trouble getting the right numbe of briquettes, so there was a charring of the top/bottom |
| 15:36.24 | lukfugl | but the inside and the crust on the sides was great |
| 15:37.44 | lukfugl | part of my charcoal problems was that I was trying to use just my chimney without any lighter fluid or matchlight briquettes, etc. so the briquettes from the top of the chimney were just starting to burn when the ones on the bottom were already crumbling into ash |
| 15:38.08 | lukfugl | I tried to compensate by starting some more briquettes and adding them, but I must have added to many |
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| 15:46.30 | rsimpkins | Zelut: You just add more -Ls |
| 15:46.53 | rsimpkins | Zelut: One for each forward. |
| 15:47.32 | lukfugl | -lart vontrapp |
| 15:49.26 | jsmith | rsimpkins: So if I wanted to forward 10,000 ports, you're saying it would be a little tough? |
| 15:49.53 | rsimpkins | jsmith: If you wanna forward 10,000 through SSH, YES! |
| 15:50.10 | jsmith | Aw, man... one more reason why ssh tunnels stink. |
| 15:50.16 | rsimpkins | lol |
| 15:50.45 | levi | Last time I checked, openssh was open source. :) |
| 15:51.07 | levi | That sounds like it would be a task that could be tackled by a reasonably competent programmer. |
| 15:52.00 | Zelut | rsimpkins: ...that makes sense. thanks. |
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| 16:10.16 | lukfugl | ~seen vontrapp |
| 16:10.49 | ibot | vontrapp is currently on #utah (2d 6h 37m 25s). Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 13h 59m 39s, last said: '~rlart'. |
| 16:18.28 | rsimpkins | Does anyone know if there is a way to include images in a HTML <option> list? |
| 16:19.05 | rsimpkins | I'm sure it would take some sort of magical foo to do that, I'm just not sure which technologies would be up for it. |
| 16:20.18 | rsimpkins | Maybe there is a stupid patent on it or something. |
| 16:20.50 | rsimpkins | 'menu selection drop down list with corrosponding images for each element in the list' -- sounds like a patentable idea any how. |
| 16:24.23 | beandog | rsimpkins: Ive seen it done, I have no idea how it works t hough |
| 16:24.49 | beandog | might be easier making a fake select menu using JS |
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| 16:38.51 | sjansen | *hiccup* |
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| 16:40.58 | sjansen | ~burp elg |
| 16:41.23 | elg | -chat |
| 16:41.23 | brac | I thought that it runs out of my app server is pretending it doesn't for me either.. |
| 16:42.07 | sjansen | -chat about elg's pants |
| 16:42.07 | brac | elg's pants |
| 16:42.17 | elg | -chat sjansen |
| 16:42.17 | brac | sjansen went |
| 16:42.22 | elg | -chat sjansen |
| 16:42.23 | brac | sjansen did a few things other then gecko |
| 16:42.43 | sjansen | ~silence brac |
| 16:42.48 | ibot | ACTION shoves an apple in brac's mouth, shoves a spit through ... well, uhm, anyway ... then builds a nice fire and starts roasting |
| 16:42.58 | elg | -roulette |
| 16:42.58 | brac | elg: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 16:43.14 | Ritter | -roulette |
| 16:43.14 | brac | Ritter: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 16:43.20 | Ritter | ha! |
| 16:43.50 | sjansen | ~blast elg and Ritter |
| 16:43.55 | ibot | ACTION pulls her blaster and uses elg and Ritter for target practice |
| 16:44.03 | elg | ibot misses |
| 16:44.18 | lukfugl | -roulette |
| 16:44.18 | brac | lukfugl: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+ |
| 17:22.14 | elg | -roulette |
| 17:22.14 | brac | elg: chamber 5 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 17:22.25 | lukfugl | -roulette |
| 17:22.25 | brac | lukfugl: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 17:24.55 | Ritter | -roulette |
| 17:24.55 | brac | Ritter: chamber 2 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 17:25.54 | lukfugl | -roulette |
| 17:25.55 | brac | lukfugl: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 17:28.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone here know dataw0lf's number or email address or IM information? |
| 17:30.35 | graphyx | yes |
| 17:30.44 | graphyx | but he doesn't appear to be on right now. |
| 17:30.47 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 17:40.29 | sjansen | Lone_Wanderer: I'd tell you, but then dataw0lf would have to kill me. |
| 17:40.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Right. He would too. |
| 17:40.29 | sjansen | j/k He's smarter than to trust me with that sort of info. |
| 17:40.29 | Lone_Wanderer | :D |
| 17:40.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm considering going into the national guard, and I can't decide if I should do something boring (Blackhawk mechanic) or fun (intel or special forces) |
| 17:40.52 | Ritter | o.O |
| 17:40.53 | Lone_Wanderer | And I figured he'd have some valuable input. |
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| 17:41.07 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 17:41.08 | ibot | slams Jayce^ against a large cement Tux |
| 17:42.48 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: You're going to pull an mheath on us, eh? |
| 17:42.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Ermm. |
| 17:43.05 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ for great justice |
| 17:43.05 | ibot | takes a big bite out of Jayce^'s jugular vein for great justice |
| 17:43.20 | Lone_Wanderer | I plan to join the military. That doesn't mean I'm going to log onto #utah every day and whine and complain about how hard it is to go to class every day. |
| 17:43.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Also, my knees are fine. |
| 17:44.11 | raventh1 | Lone_Wanderer: if I might ask, why do you plan on joining the military ? |
| 17:44.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Career change. |
| 17:44.31 | sjansen | levi: That's hardly fair. Lone_Wanderer should be praised for being braver and more physically fit than me. |
| 17:44.43 | Lone_Wanderer | I want to be a helicopter pilot. The National Guard will pay for that. |
| 17:44.49 | Jayce^ | sjansen, that goes for most everybody :) |
| 17:45.07 | Lone_Wanderer | And I kind of feel like as long as I'm going to enlist, I'd might as well do something fun while I'm at it. |
| 17:45.10 | Keighvin | Good grief, the Spring Framework wikipedia article really needs some refinement. |
| 17:45.11 | sjansen | ~travolta Jayce^ |
| 17:45.27 | ibot | ACTION replaces Jayce^ with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 17:45.29 | levi | Keighvin: I nominate you to edit it! |
| 17:46.58 | Keighvin | I'm tempted to - I'll have to do some research though, to sort out where the conflicting suppositions are coming from and either A) create a point-counter-point style rewrite or B) banish the incorrect assertions. |
| 17:47.57 | Keighvin | They've managed to restate several aspects of the article in different contexts in ways that do not strictly agree with one another, and in some cases sentences will even contradict themselves. |
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| 18:01.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Marvelous. iTunes is breaking when I try to play ogg files on it. |
| 18:05.33 | findlay | now you've got knee problems |
| 18:05.39 | Keighvin | brac, that was contextually a very apropos lart. |
| 18:05.42 | Keighvin | heh. |
| 18:06.23 | findlay | brac is of a new generation of bots with context superpowers |
| 18:06.30 | Lone_Wanderer | heh, awesome |
| 18:19.10 | sjansen | findlay: Don't you mean super cow powers? |
| 18:19.22 | sjansen | ~ibot |
| 18:19.24 | ibot | [ibot] a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 18:19.27 | findlay | oh yeah. I forgot |
| 18:19.35 | sjansen | ~cow |
| 18:19.37 | ibot | somebody said cow was "<reply> I am a cow, hear me moo. I eat grass and weigh twice as much as you." |
| 18:19.54 | sjansen | ~apt |
| 18:19.56 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, apt is the debian package manager and nothing to do with ibot, infobot, jbot or purl |
| 18:20.24 | findlay | ~[a-z]bot |
| 18:20.28 | sjansen | Bah, I can't remember the factoid that reveals ibot's super cow powers. |
| 18:20.56 | findlay | ~s/super cow powers/%factoids/ |
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| 18:23.14 | sjansen | elg: You believe me, don't you? |
| 18:23.46 | findlay | ~force sjansen to believe elg |
| 18:24.01 | elg | I believe beandog |
| 18:24.10 | beandog | :D |
| 18:24.14 | raventh1 | laff |
| 18:24.46 | graphyx | hey beandog, does the fact that gentoo hasn't updated its installed cd in about a year mean that it is dying? |
| 18:24.53 | beandog | Yes. |
| 18:24.59 | raventh1 | hahaha |
| 18:25.11 | elg | -chat |
| 18:25.11 | graphyx | Just thought that that wasn't too good of a sign. |
| 18:25.13 | brac | I personally have a new pair. |
| 18:25.14 | beandog | Its just a LOT of work, from what I understand |
| 18:25.20 | beandog | Since they have to do it on something like 12 arches |
| 18:25.36 | beandog | I think theyve got some release candidates out though |
| 18:25.40 | elg | beandog: don't worry, debian's not dead yet |
| 18:25.41 | beandog | not public, of course. |
| 18:25.43 | graphyx | so they went too wide and their base fell out from beneth them? |
| 18:25.57 | beandog | All the ricers went to Ubuntu |
| 18:25.59 | elg | actually their base are belong to us now |
| 18:26.02 | graphyx | Sounds like a refocus is in need. |
| 18:26.02 | beandog | we're pretty happy about that one. :) |
| 18:26.13 | elg | beandog: why's that? you don't compile ubuntu from scratch |
| 18:26.35 | graphyx | Well less newbie teaching more hard core hacking |
| 18:26.42 | graphyx | it would seem to me. |
| 18:27.45 | beandog | I dunno, I have my own opinions about arches that wouldn't make some people happy, so I shouldn't say much |
| 18:27.45 | elg | ~lart sjansen |
| 18:27.45 | ibot | rm -rf's sjansen |
| 18:27.57 | sjansen | http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SCOX&t=5y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c= |
| 18:28.01 | beandog | I do know we need more devs thoguh |
| 18:29.43 | findlay | ~quote scox |
| 18:31.10 | elg | ~quote sjan |
| 18:31.20 | elg | ~quote find |
| 18:33.03 | findlay | ~find quote |
| 18:35.42 | sjansen | ~find waldo |
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| 18:41.36 | graphyx | -chat about where is |
| 18:41.37 | brac | where is elg |
| 18:42.17 | findlay | -chat about stuff is |
| 18:42.17 | brac | stuff is easy too |
| 18:42.28 | graphyx | -chat about gentoo is |
| 18:42.29 | brac | gentoo is rice |
| 18:42.33 | findlay | heh |
| 18:42.38 | graphyx | -chat about gentoo is |
| 18:42.39 | brac | gentoo is better than the *nix alphabet |
| 18:42.49 | findlay | ~wiki ricer |
| 18:42.59 | lukfugl | -chat about -chat about |
| 18:42.59 | graphyx | -chat about findlay is |
| 18:42.59 | brac | -chat about Linux here.. |
| 18:43.00 | brac | findlay is sick |
| 18:43.10 | elg | Hey ibot, would you have liked to live in Communist Russia if it was a democracy? |
| 18:43.40 | graphyx | -chat about -chat about |
| 18:43.40 | brac | -chat about I |
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| 18:45.37 | sjansen | Tsar elg... has in interesting ring to it, no? |
| 18:47.03 | elg | that's what I think of the "would you use windows if it was GPL" question |
| 18:47.16 | bonez39 | sjansen, how about Czar |
| 18:47.19 | sjansen | http://robubu.com/?p=28 |
| 18:47.21 | elg | windows wouldn't be the windows we know and (*ahem*) love |
| 18:47.24 | elg | if it was gpl'd |
| 18:47.48 | bonez39 | if one runs 'lpoptions' without any arguments, will the results show for 'default' or 'printer' versus for some specific printer? |
| 18:47.56 | graphyx | I think the proper response would you use windows if it were gpl would be, well after we fixed all the bugs it might be a workable OS. |
| 18:52.37 | elg | workable, yes |
| 18:52.54 | sjansen | See the comment just before fulgalh's. |
| 18:53.06 | elg | but at the same time as the bugs are getting fixed, the things that make windows attractive right now would be being ported to linux |
| 18:53.15 | elg | which is already more attractive than windows in many ways |
| 18:53.19 | elg | and so linux would come out on top |
| 18:53.42 | elg | because there's not a wide bed of devs waiting to adopt features from linux into the newly GPL'd windows |
| 18:54.55 | elg | brac, should I grade papers or do my take-home exam? |
| 18:54.55 | brac | dunno |
| 18:59.17 | levi | If you're in a good mood, take the exam. That'll put you in a bad mood, and then you can take it out on the students whose papers you grade, and feel good again. |
| 18:59.22 | sjansen | elg: Grade papers first. http://www.rvc.cc.il.us/faclink/pruckman/humor/grading.htm |
| 18:59.33 | brac | [A Guide to Grading Exams] |
| 18:59.48 | graphyx | elg: I think he has a function for that called -roulette. |
| 19:00.44 | sjansen | Once you've used the above efficient grading method, you'll be free to devote more time to your own needs. |
| 19:00.44 | goozbach | pineapple! |
| 19:02.16 | graphyx | sjansen: thats funny |
| 19:03.06 | elg | well, i actually think I did well on the in-class version of the exam. it's the exact same thing, but now I get to use books, internet, lukfugl, etc. |
| 19:03.20 | elg | and this batch of papers is pretty easy to grade |
| 19:03.34 | elg | so I'm not sure either would put me in a foul mood. bored mood perhaps |
| 19:03.58 | levi | What's the exam on? |
| 19:04.19 | elg | generating random variables, basically |
| 19:05.09 | levi | So this is for the class that still hasn't given the project spec? |
| 19:05.14 | graphyx | that shouldn't be too hard a concept to grade. |
| 19:05.26 | graphyx | I meant to take |
| 19:05.28 | sjansen | Yep, you should definitely grade first. Think of assigning random grades as a mental warm up. |
| 19:05.51 | elg | levi: the same |
| 19:06.09 | sjansen | elg: Isn't the semester nearly over? |
| 19:06.09 | elg | sjansen: but I could do the exam first, using that as a warmup |
| 19:06.16 | elg | yeah. like 2 weeks or less left |
| 19:06.29 | elg | and he still hasn't posted the freaking first lab spec |
| 19:06.46 | levi | To generate random numbers, call rand(). Easy! ;) |
| 19:07.20 | sjansen | levi: Sheesh, don't you know anything about random numbers? You've got to see the alogrithmn with random data first. |
| 19:07.23 | sjansen | rand(rand()) |
| 19:08.25 | sjansen | Oops, forgot thread safety. |
| 19:08.31 | sjansen | rand_r(rand_r()) |
| 19:08.45 | levi | I'm sure rand_r() takes an argument. |
| 19:08.49 | sjansen | Oops again, forgot to seed the inner rand_r(). |
| 19:08.58 | sjansen | rand_r(rand_r(42)) |
| 19:09.17 | levi | A pointer argument. :P |
| 19:09.21 | sjansen | But wait... that'll give the same result every time... |
| 19:09.31 | levi | srand takes the seed directly. |
| 19:09.35 | findlay | I thought you used time(0) |
| 19:09.38 | levi | rand_r() takes a pointer. |
| 19:09.43 | Tene | function random() { return 4; } |
| 19:09.53 | levi | findlay: You do if you're not being deliberately dumb. :) |
| 19:10.05 | sjansen | for (int i=rand_r(42); i<rand_r(42); i++) { srand(i); } ; rand() |
| 19:10.08 | sjansen | I win! |
| 19:10.20 | levi | sjansen: No, your code still doesn't compile. |
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| 19:13.55 | dna3e8 | where do i add --with-gd to enable it in php (it seems like i should do it in /etc/php/ini but the format doesn't match the rest of the file |
| 19:13.57 | sjansen | findlay: I'm just being stupid. If you want to be serious, using time(0) isn't a great idea, either. If you care about security or realistic simulation, you should do something like #include <openssl.h> or open("/dev/urandom"); |
| 19:14.34 | findlay | or roll the die |
| 19:14.37 | sjansen | dna3e8: Wounds like your asking about re-compiling PHP, not just configuring it. |
| 19:14.53 | sjansen | s/Wounds like your/Sounds like you're/ |
| 19:15.53 | findlay | I think rolling the die is easier than #including whatever library |
| 19:16.16 | dna3e8 | i just want to enable gd.... most googling says i need the "--with-gd" so i hope there is a different way to enable gd W/o recompiling |
| 19:17.52 | Tene | dna3e8: you should be able to just install the php-gd package from your distro's package management system |
| 19:21.42 | dna3e8 | thanks... i was looking for just gd in the but php-gd is working thanks.. |
| 19:22.49 | findlay | Tene: you're the genius |
| 19:23.19 | levi | dna3e8: If someone says to use --with-<something>, that's usually an option to the configure script which is used when building the software. |
| 19:25.56 | sjansen | dna3e8: What levi is trying to say is, you owe #utah $85. That $20 per support representative + the standard $25 connection fee. We'll invoice you Monday. |
| 19:26.26 | findlay | and you forgot to add the findlay constant ($200) |
| 19:26.37 | dna3e8 | for $45 more can you help with.... |
| 19:26.39 | dna3e8 | ventrilo ALL=/home/ventrilo/ventrilo_sr NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 19:27.00 | dna3e8 | (a line in the sudoers file) |
| 19:27.32 | elg | sure. change it to fugalh ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 19:28.12 | elg | then give me a login |
| 19:29.01 | dna3e8 | .... is that granting more privilege then necessary and there for a security risk... |
| 19:30.57 | dna3e8 | oh ok, login is : 37orb pass is : deadfish |
| 19:30.57 | sjansen | dna3e8: We're going to need an IP too. |
| 19:31.11 | elg | and be sure to tell us where the credit card numbers are |
| 19:31.22 | findlay | and SSN's |
| 19:31.23 | dna3e8 | ip: 27.76.6.266 |
| 19:31.25 | elg | so we can be most efficient |
| 19:31.40 | dna3e8 | sry i dont have my ssn yet |
| 19:32.52 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.53 | sjansen | ssh: 27.76.6.266: Name or service not known |
| 19:33.06 | sjansen | dna3e8: I think you've got DNS problems too. |
| 19:33.41 | graphyx | I didn't know that 266 was a tld |
| 19:33.46 | dna3e8 | OH,,, you need my proxy... |
| 19:33.56 | sjansen | ~wake graphyx |
| 19:34.04 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on graphyx and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 19:34.05 | findlay | heh |
| 19:34.26 | sjansen | dna3e8: So what's your sudo problem? |
| 19:35.50 | dna3e8 | i need to make it so a camd in rc.local runs su ventrilo -c "$VENBIN -f$VENPATH/3784 -d" |
| 19:35.50 | dna3e8 | su ventrilo -c "$VENBIN -f$VENPATH/4000 -d" |
| 19:35.50 | dna3e8 | renice -5 `cat $VENPATH/3784.pid` |
| 19:35.50 | dna3e8 | renice -5 `cat $VENPATH/4000.pid` |
| 19:36.55 | dna3e8 | i thought the line ventrilo ALL=/bin/nice NOPASSWD: ALL would allow it to run but i am gettinga systax error |
| 19:37.15 | sjansen | Any reason you can't just put those command in rc.local instead of a script? |
| 19:37.24 | findlay | yeah |
| 19:37.32 | dna3e8 | they r in rc.local |
| 19:38.03 | sjansen | I don't see what this has to do with sudo. |
| 19:38.22 | sjansen | What's the exact error you're seeing and where? |
| 19:38.24 | dna3e8 | but the user dosnt have permision ro renice ... |
| 19:38.47 | sjansen | rc.local runs with root perms and root can renice. |
| 19:39.10 | elg | not that he ever would, the meani |
| 19:39.51 | dna3e8 | so the error is with those commands in rc.local |
| 19:40.11 | sjansen | nice and renice are two different commands, and as currently written ventrilo can't add any args after sudo /bin/nice |
| 19:40.14 | findlay | why don't you paste.lisp.org your complete rc.local and maybe your sudoers file too |
| 19:40.49 | findlay | ~renice elg |
| 19:40.53 | ibot | ACTION lowers elg's priority again |
| 19:40.53 | lukfugl | -lart findlay |
| 19:41.04 | findlay | hey |
| 19:41.34 | graphyx | findlay: You gotta keep your eye on both of them. |
| 19:41.44 | sjansen | findlay: It's not like you don't see that in #utah every day anyway. |
| 19:42.02 | findlay | yeah, I guess you're right |
| 19:42.34 | dna3e8 | Findlay: r you serious or mocking my stupidity in releasing info |
| 19:42.37 | lukfugl | (speaking of which...) So, did anyone go to the "Alternative Commencement" last night? |
| 19:42.39 | findlay | ~bzfrag mental hospital |
| 19:42.41 | ibot | ACTION makes mental hospital feel the effects of a shockwave |
| 19:42.52 | findlay | lukfugl: I went |
| 19:42.52 | lukfugl | dna3e8: he's not serious |
| 19:43.14 | lukfugl | I don't know if findlay ever is |
| 19:43.17 | findlay | lukfugl: what's wrong with at least pasting his rc.local? |
| 19:43.22 | elg | alternative commencement? is that where they play U2 instead of Pomp and Circumstance? |
| 19:43.37 | findlay | I can't hardly figure out what he's talking about |
| 19:44.01 | lukfugl | rc.local would probably be fine, I would advise against posting the sudoers file though |
| 19:44.03 | sjansen | dna3e8: Unless you've got hard coded security settings in your rc.local it should't be a big deal. If you're not comfortable doing it, though, it'd be helpful to at least know the exact error message you're getting. |
| 19:44.06 | findlay | elg: they had metallica play the processional |
| 19:44.13 | dna3e8 | so if rc.local runs as root, do i need su [user] [camand] |
| 19:44.38 | dna3e8 | or will [camand] work? |
| 19:44.39 | elg | are you sure metallica qualifies as alternative? |
| 19:45.18 | findlay | lukfugl: it looks like he's posted already pretty compromising info from his sudoers file already |
| 19:45.23 | findlay | maybe even all of it |
| 19:45.44 | dna3e8 | isn't metallica just modified classical? |
| 19:45.48 | sjansen | dna3e8: Depends on the command. But you probably want to add --login. su --login oracle -c "echo poo poo head | mail emcnabb" |
| 19:46.05 | graphyx | Anyone else like karoku? |
| 19:46.05 | lukfugl | oooh, and another lovely tidbit from this morning's news: Buhbye Valenti |
| 19:46.17 | graphyx | http://www.freewebarcade.com/game/kakuro/ |
| 19:46.21 | elg | is that a kind of japanese merengue that you put on your sushi? |
| 19:46.34 | graphyx | Its a number puzzle game |
| 19:46.37 | lukfugl | kakuro, yes. don't know what karoku is :) |
| 19:47.29 | graphyx | sorry |
| 19:47.29 | graphyx | that is what I meant |
| 19:47.29 | elg | norvig will probably write a program that can solve them all in .5 seconds |
| 19:47.29 | elg | so what's the point? |
| 19:47.29 | lukfugl | yes = know and like, not that it is japanese topping |
| 19:47.29 | graphyx | I don't speak japanese |
| 19:47.30 | lukfugl | the constraint propagation in kakuro is a bit more complex than that of sudoku though |
| 19:47.45 | lukfugl | so it would still be interesting to read his writeup :) |
| 19:48.59 | elg | why do all the number puzzles have to have asian names? why can't a popular number puzzle be called "Knights" or "Thor's Hammer"? |
| 19:49.43 | lukfugl | because the asian's totally pwn us at math |
| 19:50.00 | lukfugl | s/asian's/asians/ |
| 19:50.22 | sjansen | Because Scandinavians know that math doesn't bring true happiness. Butter does. |
| 19:50.55 | elg | but sudoku was invented by an american |
| 19:50.56 | lukfugl | http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42842000/gif/_42842559_maths_diagram_416.gif |
| 19:51.01 | lukfugl | elg: it was? |
| 19:51.02 | elg | "Howard Garns" |
| 19:51.13 | elg | doesn't sound very asian to me |
| 19:51.21 | elg | It was called "Number Place" |
| 19:51.24 | lukfugl | it's really big in asia though |
| 19:51.43 | lukfugl | even moreso than here (and predating the fad here) |
| 19:51.48 | elg | they can call it what they want over there :) |
| 19:52.30 | elg | although I suppose anything is better than "number place" |
| 19:52.30 | lukfugl | compare above link to: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42843000/gif/_42843291_maths_diagram02_416.gif |
| 19:52.30 | elg | I still want to see thor get some credit though |
| 19:52.32 | elg | didn't he discover the hammertime constant? |
| 19:53.09 | elg | sjansen: and of course they were right. butter is the source of true happiness |
| 19:53.10 | lukfugl | E = hammertime * c? |
| 19:53.18 | levi | elg: Unless you consider it simply a variant of Euler's Latin Squares, in which case it would be a Swiss game, right? |
| 19:54.01 | elg | levi has a point. but the petroleum connection would be bad publicity |
| 19:54.35 | elg | not to mention latin. even pig latin has highly offensive religious overtones these days |
| 19:54.52 | elg | BBC's Robin Hood left out Friar Tuck, for example, because he was a religious figure |
| 19:55.08 | elg | who spoke latin, probably |
| 19:55.09 | lukfugl | 'The name "Sudoku" is the Japanese abbreviation of a longer phrase<font size="3">... meaning "the digits must occur only once"'</font> |
| 19:55.35 | elg | so we should be calling it, "occury" |
| 19:55.44 | lukfugl | <font size="3">ocurry</font> |
| 19:55.50 | lukfugl | <font size="3">and ohaskell</font> |
| 19:55.51 | elg | oh, right |
| 19:56.23 | levi | elg: At least Switzerland is closer to Nordic land than the USA is. |
| 19:57.27 | elg | switzerland is real pretty. it would be a worthy home to a number puzzle. we could call it Yodochle |
| 19:58.17 | levi | Or, you could call it Latin Squares. |
| 19:58.20 | lukfugl | <font size="3">this sudoku variant is just evil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Nonomino_Sudoku.svg</font> |
| 19:58.47 | lukfugl | <font size="3">ie. replace the 3x3 macro-grid with irregular colored regions</font> |
| 19:59.05 | lukfugl | <font size="3">/my fontsize?</font> |
| 19:59.18 | elg | [13:59] <lukfugl> <font size="3">/my fontsize?</font> |
| 19:59.23 | levi | lukfugl: Your IRC client is being rude. |
| 19:59.27 | lukfugl | <font size="3">doh</font> |
| 19:59.31 | lukfugl | <font size="3">~blame gaim</font> |
| 19:59.34 | elg | ~onjoin #utah lukfugl |
| 19:59.34 | ibot | onjoin for lukfugl set by elg on Tue Apr 24 09:13:37 2007: use the irssi, luk |
| 19:59.40 | lukfugl | <font size="3">is it still doing it?</font> |
| 19:59.44 | elg | ya |
| 19:59.45 | levi | Yes. |
| 19:59.47 | *** part/#utah lukfugl (n=lukfugl@dsl092-197-124.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 19:59.56 | *** join/#utah lukfugl (n=lukfugl@dsl092-197-124.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 20:00.01 | lukfugl | now? |
| 20:00.05 | levi | Better. :) |
| 20:00.09 | lukfugl | stupid gaim |
| 20:00.19 | lukfugl | must have been something I copy/pasted that turned it on |
| 20:00.22 | levi | Indeed. IRC is for IRC clients, not IM clients. |
| 20:01.10 | lukfugl | it started at 13:54:55, didn't it? |
| 20:01.24 | elg | when you pasted something from wikipedia |
| 20:01.28 | lukfugl | yeah |
| 20:04.51 | graphyx | the problem was this text'The name "Sudoku" is the Japanese abbreviation of a longer phrase<font size="3">... meaning "the digits must occur only once"'</font |
| 20:05.58 | graphyx | the nonomino versus was fun. |
| 20:10.52 | graphyx | And it begins, |
| 20:10.53 | graphyx | ubuntu is getting installed. |
| 20:11.08 | graphyx | I like the livecd with the installs routine on it. |
| 20:11.13 | graphyx | very friendly. |
| 20:13.33 | lukfugl_shamed | lots of free nonomino's here: http://boldts.net/Sudoku/N0/ |
| 20:13.35 | brac | [boldts.net - Sudoku - Nonomino Puzzles] |
| 20:14.46 | elg | that looks almost as much fun as a root canal |
| 20:15.58 | dna3e8 | i just want to thank you all again.. and let you know there is no Money comming |
| 20:16.14 | lukfugl_shamed | ibot: seize dna3e8 |
| 20:16.23 | lukfugl_shamed | or sieze, even |
| 20:17.22 | Lone_Wanderer | who's this dna3e8 character? |
| 20:18.13 | lukfugl_shamed | he's been on before |
| 20:18.22 | lukfugl_shamed | don't know particularly, though |
| 20:18.24 | sjansen | Douglas Adams re-incarnate... |
| 20:18.25 | Lone_Wanderer | And he shamed you? |
| 20:18.45 | lukfugl_shamed | no, I shamed myself for my <font> tag badness |
| 20:18.50 | sjansen | No, lukfugl_shamed is ashamed he's using Gaim for IRC. |
| 20:18.51 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 20:19.11 | sjansen | Probably not ashamed enough to stop. But acknowledging one has a problem is the first step. |
| 20:19.27 | levi | Is 'dna3e8' supposed to stand for 'DNA Threat'? |
| 20:19.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Apparently he's the 1000th incarnation of Douglas Adams. |
| 20:19.56 | lukfugl_shamed | levi: probably, though I hadn't noticed it before |
| 20:20.26 | lukfugl_shamed | 1016th by my calculations |
| 20:21.01 | lukfugl_shamed | nm |
| 20:21.08 | lukfugl_shamed | I translated e to 15 instead of 14 |
| 20:21.10 | lukfugl_shamed | my bad |
| 20:21.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahh ok. |
| 20:21.14 | lukfugl_shamed | it is 1000 |
| 20:22.07 | Lone_Wanderer | You know, if Starbucks put honey in their chai, it would be even better. |
| 20:22.56 | lukfugl_shamed | I still laugh inside everytime I hear "chai" as a drink |
| 20:23.15 | Lone_Wanderer | I actually suspect that their chai consists of nothing other than a boxed mix combined with hot milk. |
| 20:23.15 | lukfugl_shamed | the missionaries in my mission (spanish speaking) used "chai" as a made up word to mean "terrible" |
| 20:23.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Why, luk? |
| 20:23.23 | Lone_Wanderer | heh, cool |
| 20:24.20 | Lone_Wanderer | I thought maybe you were going to educate me regarding the true meaning of the word "chai" or something. |
| 20:25.25 | lukfugl_shamed | no, just our made up version |
| 20:26.22 | lukfugl_shamed | at least as far as I know it was made up. I never heard it used by anyone aside from the missionaries or members that associated with the missionaries a lot |
| 20:27.11 | Lone_Wanderer | well the word chai comes from a place far removed from anywhere Spanish-speaking that I know of |
| 20:27.25 | Lone_Wanderer | like, India and southeast Asia afaik |
| 20:28.07 | sjansen | We invented our own translation for cool: polegar. |
| 20:28.12 | elg | i think dna3e8 means "DNA 38", like bonez39 |
| 20:28.13 | lukfugl_shamed | it's probably also pronounced with a hard-ch, right? Our word is with a soft-ch |
| 20:28.27 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, it is lukfugl |
| 20:28.32 | Tene | elg: or perhaps means "DNA 300000000"? |
| 20:29.19 | lukfugl_shamed | sjansen: "chido" was our made up antonym for "chai" |
| 20:29.23 | elg | but for simplicity, I subvocalize it as duhn-8 |
| 20:29.51 | sjansen | lukfugl_shamed: For some reason that reminds me chevre. |
| 20:30.02 | elg | but easier to say |
| 20:30.13 | elg | chevre was always too much a tongue twister to really possibly mean cool |
| 20:30.16 | lukfugl_shamed | chevre also had limited use, but not much. probably because it wasn't made up :) |
| 20:30.57 | sjansen | The real Brazilian translation is legal. |
| 20:31.08 | graphyx | ok I have ubuntu up and running |
| 20:31.14 | elg | now there's a cool word for cool |
| 20:31.16 | graphyx | what is the best package manager? |
| 20:31.22 | elg | graphyx: aptitude |
| 20:31.22 | sjansen | graphyx: You fool! You were supposed to install Gentoo! |
| 20:31.36 | Lone_Wanderer | elg: the cool word for cool is "chouette" |
| 20:31.38 | sjansen | aptitude++ |
| 20:31.44 | elg | assuming you meant what's the best package manager front end |
| 20:31.49 | elg | the best package manager is of course apt |
| 20:31.53 | graphyx | The italian word for cool in Ganzo |
| 20:32.03 | graphyx | said gone-zo |
| 20:32.12 | sjansen | apt would be okay if it's front ends weren't so lousy |
| 20:32.30 | graphyx | sjansen: why do you care about gentoo? |
| 20:32.33 | sjansen | aptitude and optional dependencies are its only redeeming characteristics |
| 20:32.35 | elg | rpm would be ok if it didn't suck so much |
| 20:32.38 | graphyx | I wanted a taste of ubuntu. |
| 20:32.45 | levi | sjansen would be okay if he could get "its" and "it's" straight. |
| 20:32.50 | graphyx | is aptitude a default install? |
| 20:32.56 | elg | graphyx: maybe |
| 20:33.02 | graphyx | ok |
| 20:33.06 | sjansen | apt-get install aptitude |
| 20:33.08 | elg | if not, apt-get install aptitude |
| 20:33.12 | graphyx | ubuntu is debian based, no? |
| 20:33.17 | elg | yessir |
| 20:33.28 | graphyx | Ok |
| 20:33.31 | Tene | sjansen would be a lion if he was a lion. |
| 20:33.37 | graphyx | I have some debian experience. |
| 20:33.39 | sjansen | Sorta. Ubuntu is more like a giant vampire bat slowly growing larger than the cow it's feeding on. |
| 20:33.59 | sjansen | Debian is doomed. Doomed. Doomed. Doomed. |
| 20:34.01 | findlay | what if the feeding cow is of the Super variety? |
| 20:34.14 | elg | ubuntu is basicallyl debian, except where it's not at all like debian |
| 20:34.44 | findlay | specifically the browns |
| 20:35.13 | elg | yes, looking better is one way it differs |
| 20:35.17 | findlay | rather than the debian stylistic spiral, there's random three people holding hands and looking up |
| 20:35.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Hmm, apparently the Firefox developers have solved the halting problem. |
| 20:35.25 | sjansen | elg: What's not to like about RPM? It's interface is sane, which is more than can be said for dpkg. |
| 20:35.31 | Tene | Lone_Wanderer: eh? |
| 20:35.32 | Lone_Wanderer | "Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete." |
| 20:35.37 | goozbach | RPM haters |
| 20:35.37 | graphyx | ok where is the console? |
| 20:35.42 | elg | sjansen: it's interface is not sane, but neither is dpkg's |
| 20:35.50 | goozbach | who's the rpm hater? |
| 20:35.53 | goozbach | I'll kick em |
| 20:35.55 | graphyx | nvm |
| 20:36.04 | sjansen | elg's an RPM hater |
| 20:36.05 | Tene | Lone_Wanderer: if you get a redirect back to a page that you've already been redirected from, you can tell that it's a loop. |
| 20:36.16 | raventh1 | ibot: source for life |
| 20:36.28 | Lone_Wanderer | But you don't know that it'll be infinite. |
| 20:36.28 | levi | elg would be okay if he could get "its" and "it's" straight, too. ;) |
| 20:36.29 | elg | who's that shouting, redhat pkg mgr? all it ever gives us is pain |
| 20:36.39 | goozbach | hmm who else, elg can retaliate |
| 20:36.42 | Tene | Lone_Wanderer: if it's looping, then you can be pretty sure |
| 20:36.53 | elg | i heard sjansen cursing rpm the other day |
| 20:36.55 | elg | kick him! |
| 20:36.58 | Lone_Wanderer | But you don't *know*. Maybe it's going to stop after the next time. |
| 20:37.03 | sjansen | elg: Its name is now RPM Package Manager. You're behind the times. |
| 20:37.12 | goozbach | sjansen: say it aint so |
| 20:37.12 | findlay | practice time! |
| 20:37.15 | graphyx | what is the graphical version for aptitude? |
| 20:37.18 | raventh1 | working with svn, if I do svnadmin dump theres no chance of it hurting the repository, right ? |
| 20:37.19 | elg | well that really doesn't fit the lyric |
| 20:37.26 | elg | graphyx: synapitc |
| 20:37.28 | elg | er, synaptic |
| 20:37.29 | Tene | Lone_Wanderer: go die in a hole. |
| 20:37.30 | elg | but it's slow |
| 20:37.37 | levi | Packages are for wimps! Download everything from the original maintainers and build it yourself! |
| 20:37.39 | elg | and makes less sense |
| 20:37.41 | sjansen | goozbach: It ain't so. Do you really think I'd curse RPM? Not when dpkg is such an appropriate target. |
| 20:37.47 | raventh1 | levi, hi-5 |
| 20:37.51 | Lone_Wanderer | ~kill Tene |
| 20:37.53 | ibot | ACTION shoots a inverse fluxmeson gun at Tene |
| 20:37.56 | sjansen | graphyx-- |
| 20:38.07 | Tene | ~technobabble Lone_Wanderer |
| 20:38.27 | levi | raventh1: Gentoo users are just wannabes; they still use distribution source packages. |
| 20:38.49 | elg | LFS baby |
| 20:38.51 | levi | You're not a real man unless you're running a distribution that you built yourself from scratch. |
| 20:38.59 | sjansen | synaptic is not a graphical version of aptitude, it's a graphical version of apt-get which isn't half as cool as aptitude |
| 20:38.59 | raventh1 | still far better than pkgs |
| 20:39.18 | levi | raventh1: Ports /are/ packages; they're just source packages. |
| 20:39.41 | raventh1 | s/pkgs/binaries |
| 20:39.56 | sjansen | ~punish elg |
| 20:39.58 | ibot | ACTION forces elg to install and use Windows |
| 20:40.05 | raventh1 | hah |
| 20:40.14 | elg | I once tried LFS. I would have done it too, if my CPU didn't keep overheating |
| 20:40.18 | sjansen | dselect is a big reason I rejected Debian when I was first learning Linux |
| 20:40.24 | levi | raventh1: Nah, it's a halfway thing. God spews out the lukewarm; you should be either hot or cold! |
| 20:40.33 | elg | someone had stuck a price tag to it, and it would cause arithmetic errors and things wouldn't compile |
| 20:40.46 | elg | i gave up on LFS long before I figured out why my CPU was overheating |
| 20:40.55 | levi | elg: That's crazy. :) |
| 20:41.06 | elg | that was back in the day where a sticker on your CPU caused random errors, not completely-fried CPUs :) |
| 20:41.14 | raventh1 | levi: not really dude, you can at least use gentoo as a base to build everything from source and rebuild your kit |
| 20:41.19 | levi | I built my own Linux system from scratch a couple of times for embedded systems. |
| 20:42.02 | levi | raventh1: Your bodily fluids have been corrupted by Gentoo. Only Debian and LFS are pure! |
| 20:42.06 | raventh1 | for embedded it makes sense, but there is so much duplicate work done when you are working with the same arch it doesn't really make sense |
| 20:42.36 | Tene | levi: debian hasn't suffered any corruption from ubuntu? |
| 20:42.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Not your Precious Bodily Fluids! |
| 20:42.41 | levi | raventh1: I cannot communicate with you any further, or I will risk corruption through association. I pray that you come to the truth some day. |
| 20:42.50 | raventh1 | laff |
| 20:42.58 | raventh1 | at least we agree not to talk. |
| 20:43.07 | levi | I'm just being silly. |
| 20:43.33 | levi | I tried Gentoo and didn't like it. Feel free to use it; I don't really care. |
| 20:43.41 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 20:43.53 | elg | redbeard2 succeeded in quitting. how touching |
| 20:43.57 | raventh1 | well pretty much anything is far better maintained than slackware at this point. ;) |
| 20:44.24 | sjansen | Yggdrasil |
| 20:44.27 | raventh1 | and slackware dropping gnome was the knife in the chest on that one. |
| 20:44.50 | levi | Yggdrsil4Life!!!11 |
| 20:45.10 | raventh1 | I didn't like ubuntu because it doesn't come standard with a compiler (gcc) |
| 20:45.13 | levi | Actually, I have a soft spot for SLS. |
| 20:45.15 | lukfugl_shamed | sjansen: /me burns sjansen's Yggdrasil down |
| 20:45.19 | levi | My first distro! |
| 20:45.22 | raventh1 | sls? |
| 20:45.39 | levi | Precursor to Slackware. |
| 20:45.51 | raventh1 | ah |
| 20:46.08 | raventh1 | yeah I didn't get into linux until probably 6-8 years ago |
| 20:46.35 | raventh1 | and even then not that into it, just learning to install slackware :D |
| 20:46.56 | sjansen | Here's something the Fugal's might find interesting: I name all of my personal projects based on Norse mythology. |
| 20:47.32 | lukfugl_shamed | don't make me go all loki on you |
| 20:47.44 | sjansen | eg: Ragnarok, Freyja, Jormungandr |
| 20:48.03 | lukfugl_shamed | you should write a RNG and name it Loki |
| 20:48.22 | sjansen | I was simultaneously inspired and saddened by the discover that bifrost was already taken. |
| 20:48.22 | elg | random number generator? |
| 20:48.23 | Lone_Wanderer | sjansen: There's a short story you may be interested in reading called... oh dangit, what was the Hall of the Gods named? |
| 20:48.31 | levi | I don't recall whether I started using Linux in '92 or '93. |
| 20:48.57 | lukfugl_shamed | Loki is the Norse god of Chaos |
| 20:50.19 | sjansen | Thorbarden? |
| 20:50.19 | sjansen | That's off the top of my head, so it's probably wrong. |
| 20:50.19 | lukfugl_shamed | Valhalla? |
| 20:50.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Asgard Incorporated, it's in a collection of stories written as a tribute to Zelazny's death |
| 20:50.19 | raventh1 | I think my brother started around '92, I was too young to care :D |
| 20:50.19 | lukfugl_shamed | no, valhalla's the warriors underworld, isn't it? |
| 20:50.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Valhalla is where warriors slain in battle go. |
| 20:51.04 | Lone_Wanderer | I get the impression that they feast and drink mead all day and sleep with valkyries all night. |
| 20:51.15 | sjansen | IIRC, Valhalla is roughly equivalent to heaven. The place the Valkyrie take dead courageous warriors. |
| 20:52.24 | levi | They fight all day on the fields of Asgard and feast all night. |
| 20:52.24 | lukfugl_shamed | yeah. by "underworld" I just meant post-death rather than place-of-badness |
| 20:52.50 | Lone_Wanderer | That doesn't sound like a bad afterlife. |
| 20:52.57 | Lone_Wanderer | I'd totally join that religion. |
| 20:53.02 | levi | The underworld is Nifelheim, and below that is Hel. |
| 20:53.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I mean, it beats being an eternal parent to an infinite number of naughty children, continually losing a third of them to outer darkness. |
| 20:53.36 | levi | Niflheim, sorry. |
| 20:53.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Talk about stress. |
| 20:56.39 | elg | i can think of better things to be doing than fighting all day |
| 20:56.47 | levi | Hel is also the name of the queen of Hel. |
| 20:56.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Clearly you've never had a good fight with a worthy opponent. |
| 20:57.11 | levi | Clearly you are not a Norseman. |
| 20:57.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Plus, it's not like they can die again. |
| 20:57.32 | sjansen | Valhalla might be fun, but the whole Ragnarok thing sounds like a real bummer. |
| 20:57.36 | Lone_Wanderer | And, I mean. Valkyries. Feasting. Come on man. |
| 20:58.09 | Lone_Wanderer | sjansen: Zelazny also wrote a couple of stories about Ragnarok, all of them with a revisionist take on things. |
| 21:00.11 | graphyx | why isn't ssh server on the options of things to install of ubuntu? |
| 21:00.18 | graphyx | Am I not configured properly? |
| 21:00.30 | Ritter | check for openssh |
| 21:00.32 | elg | just install it |
| 21:00.51 | sjansen | Lone_Wanderer: You forget that the Valkyrie were hardly normal woman. I doubt many men would be able to spend an entire afterlife with them. Most would find it depressing to lose in a pissing contest to someone with different equipment... but then again, few men probably qualified for Valhalla. |
| 21:00.53 | elg | oh I thought you meant why wasn't it installed by default |
| 21:00.53 | levi | graphyx: You have been incorrectly configured. Please report to the Office of Corrections for reprogramming. |
| 21:00.54 | graphyx | It only has openssh-client |
| 21:01.26 | Lone_Wanderer | sjansen: What were they like? All I know is that their armour was supposed to shimmer like the northern lights. |
| 21:01.37 | Ritter | I cant help you there, if I had ever touch ubuntu I'd have to cut off my fingers |
| 21:01.42 | levi | graphyx: If you fail to report within the day, Corrections Officers will be dispatched to assist you. Have a nice day. |
| 21:01.47 | elg | "In modern art, the valkyries are sometimes depicted as beautiful shieldmaidens on winged horses, armed with helmets and spears. However, valkyrie horse was a kenning for wolf (see Rök Stone), so contrary to the stereotype, they did not ride winged horses. Their mounts were rather the packs of wolves that frequented the corpses of dead warriors. They were gruesome and war-like." |
| 21:02.28 | elg | graphyx: it has ssh, you just need to find it |
| 21:02.39 | graphyx | client but not server, |
| 21:02.43 | sjansen | They were warrior women. Very beautiful, true, but also fearsome, proud and strong. Most men seem to prefer their women less intimidating. |
| 21:02.47 | graphyx | I'll play with it some more later |
| 21:02.57 | graphyx | ttyl |
| 21:03.00 | elg | search for ssh, it will pop out at you |
| 21:03.03 | elg | it's not rocket science |
| 21:03.04 | graphyx | thanks for the help |
| 21:03.08 | graphyx | I had searched |
| 21:03.23 | graphyx | also did apt-get install openssh-server |
| 21:03.29 | graphyx | without success and I was root |
| 21:03.36 | graphyx | I did the forbidden sudo su - |
| 21:03.40 | graphyx | =] |
| 21:03.46 | Lone_Wanderer | sjansen: So that's where I get my taste in women then ;) |
| 21:08.39 | levi | sjansen: The Viking Answer Lady says that Valkyries were not warrior women; there are no accounts of them actually fighting: http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/valkyrie.shtml |
| 21:08.46 | brac | [Viking Answer Lady Webpage - Valkyries, Wish-Maidens, and Swan-Maids] |
| 21:08.50 | levi | They just pick over the corpses of the dead after a battle. |
| 21:09.12 | sjansen | levi: True. But there's also no doubt they'd be capable of it. |
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| 21:15.15 | elg | hope he doesn't end up cutting his fingers off |
| 21:15.18 | elg | that would be a waste. |
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| 21:26.16 | levi | Heh, I see rsimpkins used my programming languages entry as sample data in his email. |
| 21:27.13 | levi | rsimpkins: Your email client seems to word wrap at an odd line length. |
| 21:28.59 | sjansen | Anyone played with rPath or a variant? |
| 21:29.28 | elg | is xpath a variant of rpath? :) |
| 21:48.02 | rsimpkins | levi: really? |
| 21:48.50 | levi | rsimpkins: Yes, all the emails I get from you overflow my 80-character line, then have hard returns shortly thereafter. |
| 21:49.04 | rsimpkins | levi: Huh, I'll have to look in to that right now. |
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| 22:45.10 | Keighvin | ~lart IIS |
| 22:45.10 | ibot | sends a legion of lawyers after IIS's head |
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