| 00:17.34 | elg | -chat |
| 00:17.34 | brac | nick125 hacks catalyst |
| 00:18.48 | levi_home | -chat about elg |
| 00:18.48 | brac | elg had |
| 00:18.58 | levi_home | Alas, he had, but not anymore. |
| 00:44.37 | levi_home | Interesting paper talking about reimplementing a subset of ethereal in Dylan with macros and a cool DSL for specifying protocols: http://www.opendylan.org/%7ehannes/secure-networking.pdf |
| 01:16.07 | elg | if I was prone to celebrity worship I'd be listening to Jorge Cham (phdcomics.com) speak |
| 01:43.28 | brailsmt | yeah, good thing you aren't :p |
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| 01:58.49 | raventh1 | ibot: ?sttub ekil uoy |
| 02:29.49 | raventh1 | hahaha |
| 02:30.06 | raventh1 | watching tv ads in HD for lotions and creams is hilarious |
| 02:31.32 | raventh1 | I don't think i've seen that |
| 02:31.54 | Tene | look it up on youtube |
| 02:32.01 | raventh1 | ok, i'll do that |
| 02:32.02 | Tene | it's really interesting. |
| 02:32.14 | raventh1 | probably after heroes, (watching last nights in 1080p .ts :D) |
| 02:32.55 | raventh1 | dd is a wonderful way to make a .ts |
| 02:32.57 | raventh1 | :D |
| 02:45.12 | mrpull-x | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.24 | mrpull-x | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.41 | elg | gah, I can't find the Really Cool Siteâ„¢ that will do a prepress check of PDFs and give you a PDF/X3 |
| 02:46.51 | elg | i've exhausted my google-fu |
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| 03:52.03 | levi_home | Ugh, so tired. Must study for final tomorrow. |
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| 06:40.13 | Sargun | http://digg.com/microsoft/7_Reasons_Microsoft_Loves_Opensource |
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| 07:36.34 | ioii | hi |
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| 08:48.49 | QBFreak | anyone around who knows about suoders? |
| 08:49.09 | QBFreak | I cannot for the life of me get this one line to work |
| 08:52.17 | QBFreak | never mind |
| 09:08.45 | Supaplex | whats up QBFreak |
| 09:09.38 | QBFreak | I finally got it, I've been misunderstanding the docs |
| 09:09.53 | QBFreak | now I'm struggling with some perl stuff |
| 09:10.15 | QBFreak | I need a web page to start a script in the background, finish the page, and go on not caring about the script it started |
| 09:10.24 | QBFreak | I tried fork and it still waits for it |
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| 12:37.28 | graphyx | what linux distro has the best support for vmware player? |
| 12:52.17 | herlo | Fedora 6 works pretty well... |
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| 13:11.27 | graphyx | I was thinking that I would take a stab at ubuntu. Anyone use vmware with ubuntu? |
| 13:12.52 | goozbach | graphyx: VMware Workstation works quite well with ubuntu |
| 13:15.35 | goozbach | anyone know what breed of dog this is? http://users.netradius.com/~erikrj/dog.jpg |
| 13:21.54 | graphyx | I only have player. |
| 13:22.03 | graphyx | unless someone has a copy to loan me. |
| 13:22.34 | graphyx | just a player here |
| 13:25.55 | goozbach | vmware server is now free |
| 13:27.16 | goozbach | well, registerwhere |
| 13:27.24 | goozbach | s/where/ware/ |
| 13:28.50 | graphyx | Well I can handle that. |
| 13:28.56 | graphyx | they didn't want much. |
| 13:29.01 | graphyx | just an old email address. |
| 13:29.14 | graphyx | is it a base os or does it install on top of one? |
| 13:31.07 | graphyx | install on top |
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| 13:56.52 | findlay | good morning |
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| 14:23.36 | elg | graphyx: i use vmware server on ubuntu, works fine |
| 14:23.41 | elg | that looks like a horse dog |
| 14:23.46 | graphyx | ok cool. |
| 14:23.55 | graphyx | horse dog? |
| 14:24.06 | elg | actually it looks like a photoshop job, but whatever |
| 14:25.58 | goozbach | I know it's a photoshop job |
| 14:26.07 | goozbach | it would be cool having a dog that big however |
| 14:29.45 | mheath | I love screen :) |
| 14:29.54 | mheath | I don't even have a computer anymore and I'm still on IRC 24/7. |
| 14:30.26 | findlay | how do you know it's not a gimp job? |
| 14:33.35 | mheath | Or a binary-editor-and-too-much-free-time job? |
| 14:36.45 | elg | great pyrenees is my favorite large dog breed |
| 14:36.46 | elg | http://dogs-puppies.dogs-central.com/great-pyrenees-dog-puppy/ |
| 14:36.49 | dataw0lf | OR PAINT!ONE! |
| 14:36.52 | brac | [Great Pyrenees Puppy Dog Central's Great Pyrenees Dog Breed Information & Great Pyrenees Puppy Buyer's Guide] |
| 14:37.54 | mheath | elg: eh, OK. |
| 14:38.12 | mheath | mm, I'm excited about Ubuntu Feistry. |
| 14:38.12 | mheath | *Feisty |
| 14:38.24 | findlay | mheath is feisty about feisty |
| 14:38.31 | mheath | Stupid typo-inducing server lag. I hit enter before I see the error. :PPPPP |
| 14:38.35 | mheath | Grr... |
| 14:38.38 | findlay | lol |
| 14:39.16 | mheath | My laptop died. And HP is taking a rediculously long time to send me the box to send the laptop back to them for repairs. |
| 14:39.49 | mheath | Anyway... |
| 14:40.55 | elg | i'm glad you (marginally) approve |
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| 14:41.49 | elg | we had a GP/lab mix, not quite as big (or as white :) as a pure GP, but very intelligent, good with kids, fun, and mellow |
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| 14:53.37 | goozbach | boring! |
| 14:53.43 | goozbach | SPICE IT UP! |
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| 15:10.01 | levi | Heh, chanserv took away my op bit. I dunno how I got it in the first place. |
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| 15:16.14 | goozbach | I've got mine back |
| 15:16.22 | goozbach | I wonder how you got one... |
| 15:22.43 | levi | Beats me. I just logged in after my Feisty upgrade reboot, and there it was. |
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| 15:27.59 | goozbach | looks like someone might have done that |
| 15:27.59 | *** mode/#utah [-o levi] by goozbach |
| 15:30.09 | levi | I guess. I didn't notice it when it happened, though. |
| 15:30.47 | levi | Where are the channel logs? |
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| 15:38.16 | levi | http://www.cs.uni.edu/~wallingf/blog/archives/monthly/2007-04.html#e2007-04-25T08_14_27.htm |
| 15:38.24 | levi | I wish I had the discipline to work that hard. |
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| 15:51.13 | elg | levi: I don't |
| 15:51.40 | levi | elg: Why not? |
| 15:52.12 | elg | well, I wouldn't mind having the discipline, so long as it didn't drive me to work that hard |
| 15:52.25 | elg | sounds like a bit unbalanced life |
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| 15:54.13 | elg | -lart ibot |
| 15:54.47 | levi | elg: Possibly, but some people just seem to be able to do a whole lot and still enjoy life. |
| 15:54.47 | elg | more power to them |
| 15:55.34 | elg | just as long as I'm not one of the "do a whole lot and not enjoy life" or "do nothing and not enjoy life" guy, I'm happy |
| 15:55.34 | levi | Yeah. |
| 15:55.34 | elg | looks like the new face of familysearch is in beta |
| 15:55.38 | elg | labs.familysearch.org |
| 15:55.58 | levi | I agree that happiness/satisfaction with life and accomplishments are not explicitly bound, but I would like to be able to do more than I do now. |
| 15:56.07 | levi | I would also like to be happier. |
| 15:56.10 | levi | But wouldn't we all. |
| 15:56.38 | elg | yeah, I'd like _more_ discipline |
| 15:56.43 | elg | just not as much as that guy has. :) |
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| 15:57.32 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 15:57.53 | levi | I dunno. It's hard to say from here how much the guy enjoys his life. Maybe he's having a grand time, and doing all that stuff because he loves it. |
| 15:59.10 | elg | hopefully. but maybe he is driven by family pressures and psychological issues and is festering underneath |
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| 16:00.01 | elg | i'm closer to overachieving perfectionist track star (minus the athletic part) than lazy bum, and I like it that way |
| 16:00.26 | elg | i find joy in achieving stuff. I wish I was more achievent |
| 16:00.41 | elg | but if I was, i might be less happy. life's funny that way |
| 16:00.55 | levi | I'm somewhere in the middle right now, but I do have a general trend towards achieving more. |
| 16:01.17 | levi | And I'm definitely happier now than when I was a bum. |
| 16:02.18 | elg | i get unhappy really quick when I bum out. which I do have to do sometimes as a release. spring break for example, I just had to take a breakk and do nothing. but at the end of the week I was done |
| 16:03.17 | levi | Yeah. It feels good to do nothing for a short period of time, but it becomes troubling quickly. |
| 16:03.41 | Zelut | does KDE have something equivalent to the 'gnome-open' command? |
| 16:04.52 | levi | I don't know, but I was very pleased when I found gnome-open, having got used to the OS X open command. |
| 16:06.05 | elg | I love osx open |
| 16:06.16 | elg | though I can think of a few improvements |
| 16:06.32 | elg | http://pastie.caboo.se/56464 |
| 16:06.41 | elg | that from my bro on a mission in VA |
| 16:07.03 | elg | fwiw |
| 16:08.27 | levi | Well, there was recently a book published on the mountain meadows massacre. |
| 16:08.45 | levi | I ran into a descendant of the survivors while on my mission. Not very receptive. |
| 16:12.55 | graphyx | Well they say that history is written by the winners. |
| 16:13.14 | graphyx | Does that mean that we haven't won/didn't win? |
| 16:13.25 | graphyx | or does it not apply in this case? |
| 16:14.03 | graphyx | There was an article in the paper about that here recently (in arkansas) |
| 16:14.26 | graphyx | Makes you wonder why there isn't ever any 2 sided views of that event out there. |
| 16:18.11 | graphyx | Where is the sympathy vote? |
| 16:18.14 | graphyx | I mean come on. |
| 16:18.21 | levi | Well, the winners get to write the history, but if they get lax enough with their information control, people will do research. |
| 16:19.08 | levi | I don't think anybody pretends that the mountain meadows massacre was a good thing. |
| 16:20.07 | levi | The big question is whether Brigham Young was involved. If you can prove his complicity, it makes a big powerful organization (the LDS church) look bad, and that's always fun. :P |
| 16:20.36 | graphyx | A group of recently robbed, exiled mormons forced out of their home and city at gun point were attempting to flee chaos by moving on foot with few provisions encountered a group of intoxicated individuals who got too close to their encampment at night. |
| 16:21.03 | graphyx | In self defence the group struck and was able to repel the aggressors. |
| 16:21.35 | graphyx | without knowing the facts isn't it possible that it could be "spun" that way as well? |
| 16:22.42 | levi | Well, if you and the people you're spinning to don't know the facts, you could say something like that. But, as far as I understand things, it'd be wrong. |
| 16:23.06 | graphyx | ok |
| 16:23.16 | graphyx | I don't know the fact like I tried to say |
| 16:24.36 | levi | Even the official church account isn't so kind to the Mountain Meadows members. |
| 16:24.51 | graphyx | what is the official church statement? |
| 16:25.37 | levi | I don't remember it in detail. There's an account of it in the church history institute textbook, and probably other places as well. |
| 16:25.45 | graphyx | ok |
| 16:27.23 | findlay | is there a way to get the ip address of a windows printer? |
| 16:27.27 | findlay | network printer? |
| 16:28.01 | graphyx | port scan for the printer port? |
| 16:28.27 | findlay | how would I set up an nmap command that would do that? |
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| 16:28.41 | findlay | there's no DNS-like service I could query? |
| 16:28.49 | graphyx | I didn't say there wasn't |
| 16:29.05 | graphyx | just that is what I would try |
| 16:29.15 | findlay | wouldn't a query to a nameserverbe easier? |
| 16:29.23 | graphyx | probably |
| 16:29.26 | graphyx | TIMTOWTDI |
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| 16:29.40 | findlay | but all I need is one way :) |
| 16:29.47 | findlay | hm |
| 16:30.16 | graphyx | do you have it installed on windows? |
| 16:30.29 | findlay | I guess so |
| 16:31.14 | graphyx | then just do splunk the windows properties and you should find the ip |
| 16:31.46 | graphyx | s/do/go/ |
| 16:32.01 | findlay | but I'm on a livecd right now and only have the samba url |
| 16:32.12 | graphyx | oh |
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| 16:32.43 | graphyx | I assume you already looked up the dns of the samba name? |
| 16:33.12 | findlay | how do I do that? |
| 16:35.05 | graphyx | nslookup @server name |
| 16:35.17 | graphyx | server being a local dns server |
| 16:36.23 | goozbach | the net command might be able to figure the ip address out |
| 16:36.30 | goozbach | you say you've got a samba URI? |
| 16:37.14 | goozbach | try: net lookup <name> |
| 16:38.45 | findlay | neither nslookup nor net lookup can find the name |
| 16:46.18 | levi | graphyx: The mountain meadows massacre article on Wikipedia looks pretty well-researched, though I can't say I know enough about it to say how well it matches up with what really happened. |
| 16:53.54 | levi | graphyx: There's a link there to the B.H. Roberts "Comprehensive History of the Church" account of it, too, which seems to match up fairly well with the Wikipedia article. |
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| 17:01.51 | ringhals | can anyone hook me up with a sox command for creating custom ring tones for my Cisco 7960's? |
| 17:02.05 | elg | if you can tell us what format they need to be in |
| 17:02.14 | ringhals | Raw PCM no header |
| 17:02.20 | ringhals | 8000 samples per second |
| 17:02.25 | ringhals | 8 bits per sample |
| 17:02.29 | ringhals | uLaw compression |
| 17:02.29 | elg | 1 channel I assume? |
| 17:02.33 | ringhals | yea |
| 17:02.40 | ringhals | max sample size 16080 |
| 17:03.02 | ringhals | the last part I do not understand LOL Ring should start and end at the zero crossing |
| 17:06.02 | ringhals | thanks in advance by the way |
| 17:07.30 | elg | sox foo.wav -r 8000 -c 1 -u -b foo.raw |
| 17:07.48 | elg | -r for rate, -c for channels, -u for u-law, -b for 8-bit, and .raw for no headers raw pcm |
| 17:08.02 | elg | max sample size means how long the fing can be. that's up to you :) |
| 17:08.30 | elg | at 8k and 8-bit, 16k bytes is about 2 seconds |
| 17:09.17 | elg | now go forth and blog it |
| 17:11.17 | graphyx | is that a quote for the modern version of the bible? |
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| 17:17.44 | ^Migs^ | lol |
| 17:22.52 | levi | http://ravimohan.blogspot.com/2007/04/learning-from-sudoku-solvers.html |
| 17:24.23 | levi | Peter Norvig is the man. |
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| 17:29.02 | goozbach | boring! |
| 17:29.10 | goozbach | entertain me! |
| 17:30.39 | levi | goozbach: No. |
| 17:31.34 | findlay | ~entertain goozbach |
| 17:31.44 | ibot | ACTION grabs 5 random objects and begins to weave them through the air in a display of superior juggling skill for goozbach's entertainment whilst whistling Einzug der Gladiatoren by Julius Fu?ík |
| 17:33.34 | levi | Cool, Beagle actually works. |
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| 17:35.02 | goozbach | awesome |
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| 17:41.50 | lukfugl | uuuwwhh!! |
| 17:48.13 | lukfugl | *sigh* no one's going to correct me :( |
| 17:48.40 | elg | uuuwwh |
| 17:49.16 | lukfugl | Better, Better, but Waah, Waah! Hold your hands here. |
| 17:52.23 | elg | levi: that's the truth |
| 17:52.30 | elg | lukfugl: I have no clue what you're talking about |
| 17:52.31 | elg | -chat |
| 17:52.32 | brac | greeting from another provider? |
| 17:52.38 | lukfugl | -chat |
| 17:52.39 | brac | can't you read the respective chapters in that filesystem, though |
| 17:52.39 | elg | brac makes more sense |
| 17:53.00 | elg | mmm, sourdough bread sandwiches |
| 17:53.01 | lukfugl | elg: http://www.jumpstation.ca/recroom/comedy/python/argument.html |
| 17:53.03 | brac | [Monty Python Sketch - The Argument] |
| 17:53.20 | elg | my wife made an observation this week. sourdough whole wheat and PB&J don't really go together |
| 17:53.30 | lukfugl | heh |
| 17:53.34 | elg | but it works great for ham and cheese |
| 17:54.16 | graphyx | elg: I think I would have to agree with her on that one. |
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| 17:59.41 | elg | -seen emcnabb |
| 17:59.42 | brac | emcnabb was last seen 2 hours, 6 minutes and 23 seconds ago, joining #utah |
| 17:59.51 | elg | ~seen emcnabb |
| 18:00.44 | ibot | emcnabb is currently on #utah (2h 6m 37s), last said: 'elg: for a while ours had problems in IE'. |
| 18:00.46 | elg | ~lart emcnabb |
| 18:00.46 | ibot | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on emcnabb |
| 18:01.12 | elg | emcnabb is a ricer |
| 18:02.51 | sjansen | http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2007/04/25.html |
| 18:02.59 | findlay | -chat about stuff |
| 18:02.59 | brac | stuff had |
| 18:03.06 | findlay | -chat about emcnabb is |
| 18:03.06 | brac | emcnabb is an SIP-based chat? |
| 18:03.37 | levi | elg: Which is the truth? That Peter Norvig is the man? |
| 18:05.30 | elg | ya |
| 18:05.43 | elg | sjansen: heh, "You don't get partial credit when yout ry to emulate an API |
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| 18:07.08 | sjansen | elg: Of course, that's not strictly true. |
| 18:07.30 | elg | but it is strictly funny |
| 18:07.37 | sjansen | Mono gets very real partial credit even thought it doesn't implement the entire MS .Net stack. |
| 18:07.44 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 18:07.58 | sjansen | brac: That's almost too cruel. |
| 18:08.27 | sjansen | ~lart emcnabb |
| 18:08.28 | ibot | calls emcnabb on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home |
| 18:08.42 | sjansen | No kidding. |
| 18:08.44 | sjansen | ~invoke emcnabb |
| 18:08.55 | herlo | ~invoice sjansen |
| 18:08.58 | elg | ~shoot emcnabb |
| 18:09.00 | ibot | ACTION shoots emcnabb in the ear with a phase pistol! |
| 18:09.00 | sjansen | ~stiff herlo |
| 18:09.07 | herlo | ~kill sjansen |
| 18:09.08 | ibot | ACTION shoots a inverse pseudoneutrino gun at sjansen |
| 18:09.16 | elg | oh no, now he's out of phase |
| 18:09.26 | elg | he can walk through walls, into sjansen's bedroom |
| 18:09.47 | herlo | elg: sjansen has no defense |
| 18:09.50 | herlo | :) |
| 18:09.54 | elg | where he finds.... sjansen surfing slashdot! |
| 18:09.58 | elg | shocking! |
| 18:10.42 | elg | well at least he wasn't surfing myspace |
| 18:12.02 | elg | -chat |
| 18:12.03 | brac | If you're building a house containing a young hacker in califorina brings the internet to it's usage is low or very in a long while since ive blended.. |
| 18:12.54 | goozbach | emcnabb: where are you? |
| 18:14.12 | graphyx | elg he almost sounds like that random thesis generator now. |
| 18:15.12 | elg | where in the world is emcnabbiego? |
| 18:15.30 | graphyx | nc |
| 18:52.07 | emcnabb | goozbach: here |
| 18:55.07 | sjansen | emcnabb: Sorry, that was the last one. You're going to have to beat up lukfugl if it's important to you. |
| 19:12.34 | goozbach | snacks |
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| 19:17.30 | ^Migs^ | I found a solution 10x easier than using Icecast. Oddcast + Shoutcast. |
| 19:17.54 | ^Migs^ | it seems like I'm going to need to allocate a ton of port numbers, two for each user. I don't know how this is going to work out |
| 19:34.52 | lukfugl | goozbach: marking your territory? |
| 19:34.57 | lukfugl | or wrong kind of water? |
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| 19:58.41 | levi | Apparently that $5 iPod battery place sold all of those batteries, but I found another one that has $10 batteries, which is almost as good. |
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| 20:06.06 | findlay | Lone_Wanderer: is this the DHTML book you have: http://www.nerdbooks.com/item.php?id=0596004672 |
| 20:07.02 | Lone_Wanderer | No, the one I have is called "Dynamic HTML (The Definitive Reference)", 2nd edition. It has a flamingo on the cover. |
| 20:07.14 | Lone_Wanderer | This one looks like the cookbook companion to mine. I'd go with the cookbook. |
| 20:07.53 | findlay | really? |
| 20:08.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, I've already got my head around DHTML a bit. The book I have is a gigantic reference manual that doesn't necessarily tell me how to actually do anything. |
| 20:08.38 | Lone_Wanderer | So I'd prefer something with examples that I can look over and learn from. |
| 20:08.47 | findlay | ok |
| 20:08.55 | findlay | that's probably what I need too |
| 20:09.42 | tuple | -lart vontrapp |
| 20:10.03 | ^Migs^ | http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift |
| 20:11.08 | lukfugl | tuple: what's with the nick? |
| 20:13.45 | levi | lukfugl: He's expressing the duality (or n-ity?) of his nature. |
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| 20:14.05 | tuple | something like that :) |
| 20:14.05 | lukfugl | light is a tuple |
| 20:14.11 | tuple | -lart elg |
| 20:15.07 | levi | Tuples are awesome, anyway. |
| 20:15.24 | levi | Especially when combined with pattern matching. |
| 20:15.44 | lukfugl | yikes. |
| 20:16.02 | lukfugl | from ^Migs^ link: "1 of every 8 couples married in the U.S. last year met online." |
| 20:16.39 | Lone_Wanderer | n-ality? |
| 20:17.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably explains the divorce rates. ;) |
| 20:18.05 | ^Migs^ | those are all questionable predictions, imo |
| 20:18.17 | ^Migs^ | at the end of the 'presentation' that is |
| 20:18.51 | lukfugl | yeah, the predictions are out there |
| 20:19.58 | ^Migs^ | I don't understand how they even quantified "technical information"...wtf was that? |
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| 20:35.49 | findlay | http://jfindlay.us/altcommencement.jpg |
| 20:36.48 | levi | Heh. |
| 20:37.37 | levi | Did you make that? |
| 20:37.46 | findlay | no |
| 20:38.09 | levi | Good, because it's nasty ugly. |
| 20:42.27 | raventh1 | levi: seconded |
| 20:43.18 | levi | Surely someone among the students and faculty organizing the thing knows someone with some graphic design chops. |
| 20:44.01 | raventh1 | I'm sure there are, BYU has the highest turnout of Visual Arts (at least Animation) mostly nation wide (don't quote me) |
| 20:44.15 | graphyx | It could be that all the graphic design people are republican? |
| 20:44.21 | raventh1 | looool |
| 20:44.34 | graphyx | =] |
| 20:45.59 | findlay | well, it's tomorrow, so I imagine it came out in some haste |
| 20:46.35 | graphyx | Shall we assume that it is a joke and that those individuals aren't really coming? |
| 20:46.43 | findlay | they've been planning it for a while and I suppose only just now got a venue |
| 20:46.54 | neybar | no... it is unfortunately real |
| 20:46.58 | levi | I don't think you can get Ralph Nader to show up without some advance notice. |
| 20:46.58 | graphyx | findlay: Are you hosting the flier for fun or as a statement in support? |
| 20:46.59 | findlay | no, it's real as far as I know :) |
| 20:47.17 | findlay | graphyx: I'm hosting it in favor |
| 20:48.07 | neybar | the commencement with Chaney has gotten nation wide press. I'm sure Nader jumped at the chance. |
| 20:48.16 | graphyx | I just noticed that the announcement was for UVSC. |
| 20:48.46 | neybar | it is for BYU, but I assume since it is in protest to the real commencement they had to find another place to host it. |
| 20:48.49 | levi | It would probably take me about 15 minutes, given the source files for the images, to come up with something that looked at least half as crappy as that. |
| 20:49.06 | raventh1 | btw, just saw this, if anyone is interested |
| 20:49.18 | raventh1 | http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/04/hddvdcheap.jpg |
| 20:49.28 | levi | Rather, at worst half as crappy. |
| 20:50.16 | graphyx | I could do that crappy easily!!! |
| 20:50.23 | graphyx | even more crappy! |
| 20:50.46 | graphyx | speaking of crappy... |
| 20:50.47 | graphyx | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5fe_1176635740 |
| 20:50.50 | levi | I'm just saying mine would have at most half the level of crappiness that the current one has. |
| 20:50.50 | brac | [LiveLeak.com - Accident caused by out of control sewer] |
| 20:50.59 | graphyx | sewer backing up on a freeway. |
| 20:51.14 | lukfugl | eww |
| 20:51.14 | graphyx | levi I know, I was saying more about my ability than yours. |
| 20:51.23 | graphyx | its mostly water |
| 20:51.29 | graphyx | but it is quite the torrent. |
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| 20:52.53 | lukfugl | that truck got crunched |
| 20:52.53 | graphyx | yeah |
| 20:52.54 | levi | It would not have text outside of bounding boxes, it would not have justification and hyphenation run amok, and would use the same size typeface for each of the names. And not have that weird font at the bottom. |
| 20:52.54 | graphyx | and that one guy, I had to watch it a second time to see if he actually made it out. |
| 20:52.55 | lukfugl | oh noes, and then the person was satnding there and it went again :( |
| 20:53.22 | graphyx | levi I was thinking that they had the justification done badly. |
| 20:53.37 | graphyx | their justification wasn't justified. |
| 20:53.54 | graphyx | =] |
| 20:54.43 | tuple | i think that was a storm drain folks |
| 20:54.45 | levi | I wonder if it erupts when someone flushes their toilet. ;) |
| 20:54.53 | tuple | notice the lightning, it's the middle of a big storm |
| 20:55.09 | lukfugl | ok, so not sewer. but still insane |
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| 21:01.35 | findlay | levi: well I got it from Pete Ashdown himself |
| 21:02.12 | findlay | here's a more credible source: |
| 21:02.13 | findlay | http://peteashdown.org/journal/2007/04/25/byu-alternative-commencement/ |
| 21:02.55 | findlay | heh, check out this site: |
| 21:03.00 | findlay | http://byualternativecommencement.com/ |
| 21:03.04 | brac | [BYU Alternative Commencement] |
| 21:03.17 | findlay | a stunning example of web design excellence |
| 21:03.34 | findlay | I love the background |
| 21:04.26 | levi | Well, it's not pretty either, but I almost expect web pages to be ugly. |
| 21:05.12 | findlay | me too |
| 21:05.14 | findlay | until I found the zen garden I didn't know websites could be not ugly |
| 21:05.14 | levi | Something that pretends to look like a printed commencement invitation and yet looks like typographical diarrhea is more jarring. |
| 21:07.30 | findlay | yay for the BYU Democrats, lefties, and the other random rabble :) |
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| 21:16.16 | goozbach | sjansen: you're not wanted here |
| 21:16.26 | goozbach | wait! I was just kidding |
| 21:16.30 | goozbach | come back |
| 21:16.34 | findlay | unless you're a lefty, commie, or random rabble |
| 21:16.47 | findlay | (otherwise known as ubuntu users) |
| 21:17.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:17.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Ubuntu: the brown scare |
| 21:17.20 | tuxd00d | hey, I'm no dumacrat.. but I use ubuntu |
| 21:17.20 | findlay | lol |
| 21:17.20 | tuxd00d | rather, my wife uses it |
| 21:17.36 | goozbach | So, I just discovered dot |
| 21:17.43 | goozbach | as in graphviz, dot |
| 21:17.44 | findlay | about time |
| 21:17.56 | findlay | I thought you knew everything already gi |
| 21:18.05 | findlay | s/gi/goozbach/ |
| 21:18.13 | sjansen | goozbach: Don't flatter yourself, you can't make me go away. I am to #utah as cockroaches are to your kitchen. |
| 21:18.20 | goozbach | it's been fun playing with my graphs |
| 21:18.31 | goozbach | I haven't gotten anything (important) done |
| 21:18.35 | findlay | ~graphviz++ |
| 21:18.43 | goozbach | but I created a pretty snazzy diagram |
| 21:18.50 | tuxd00d | what's dot? |
| 21:19.08 | goozbach | http://www.graphviz.org/Gallery.php |
| 21:19.19 | goozbach | a text syntax to create that sort of stuff |
| 21:19.33 | goozbach | I only discovered it because bzrtools uses it |
| 21:20.23 | sjansen | goozbach: All the cool kids discovered it ages ago and used it to graph their GPG web of trust. |
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| 21:20.53 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:21.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Or "flower" of trust in my case ;) |
| 21:21.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I think my "flower" of trust has all of one person in it... so maybe more like twig of trust. |
| 21:21.18 | tuxd00d | hippie flower? |
| 21:21.29 | findlay | brown, ubuntu flower |
| 21:21.42 | sjansen | So there's this really great persian restaurant near the training center in Portland. |
| 21:22.01 | tuxd00d | sjansen: umm, huh? |
| 21:22.07 | sjansen | Part of me wants to eat lunch and dinner there ever day. The other part of me things that's "wrong" but can't figure out why. |
| 21:22.22 | levi | What kind of food is Persian? |
| 21:22.25 | goozbach | sjansen: you need to balance that with steak, and cheesecake |
| 21:22.49 | findlay | yeah, let each part eat differently |
| 21:22.55 | sjansen | Is eating Persian ever day a sin when there's a Cheesecake factore just across the interstate? |
| 21:23.18 | levi | sjansen: The more obscure ethnic food you eat, the cooler you are. |
| 21:23.54 | levi | sjansen: Extra points if you eat vegetarian. |
| 21:23.54 | tuxd00d | sjansen: sig2dot? |
| 21:23.54 | jsmith | levi: I had morrocan food for dinner last night -- that makes me cool? w00t! |
| 21:24.17 | levi | sjansen: Chain restaurants, like Cheesecake Factory, subtract cool points. |
| 21:24.20 | tuxd00d | I ate a cookie last night, what does that make me? |
| 21:24.39 | jsmith | levi: Amen to that! |
| 21:24.42 | tuxd00d | Is that jsmith? |
| 21:24.52 | sjansen | tuxd00d: Greedy for not sharing with the rest of us. |
| 21:25.02 | findlay | no fair |
| 21:25.03 | levi | tuxd00d: That makes you a person who ate a cookie last night. |
| 21:25.05 | jsmith | tuxd00d: No, I'm his evil impersonator. The real jsmith is a figment of your imagination |
| 21:25.31 | levi | Not very real, then, is he? |
| 21:26.08 | tuxd00d | You're right, the jsmith I know was not so fat. |
| 21:26.16 | sjansen | levi: You obviously haven't eaten the Bang Bang Chicken & Shrimp. I mean even the name is cool. |
| 21:26.39 | tuxd00d | where is the Bang Bang? |
| 21:26.46 | jsmith | tuxd00d: The real jsmith is ten pounds lighter now that he was this time last year |
| 21:27.45 | tuxd00d | jsmith: well, good for him! |
| 21:27.46 | sjansen | ~steal findlay's center of the universe |
| 21:27.59 | ibot | ACTION grabs findlay's center of the universe and gives it to sjansen |
| 21:28.01 | sjansen | tuxd00d: Cheesecake Factory. |
| 21:28.40 | tuxd00d | sjansen: Bang Bang is the Cheesecake Factory? |
| 21:29.05 | sjansen | yup |
| 21:29.11 | sjansen | And very tasty. |
| 21:29.17 | sjansen | Very filling. |
| 21:29.43 | levi | sjansen: The goodness of the food is irrelevant. If it's a chain, it's less cool. |
| 21:29.56 | tuxd00d | Gee, I haven't been to the Myan in a while. |
| 21:30.18 | sjansen | levi: Any metric that doesn't consider food quality is stupid. |
| 21:30.27 | levi | sjansen: Indeed, but that's the way it is. |
| 21:30.27 | jsmith | levi: I also had Malaysian food (cooked by real Malaysians) twice last week... |
| 21:30.40 | levi | sjansen: See, jsmith knows how to be cool. |
| 21:31.06 | goozbach | sjansen: methinks levi is just too indie |
| 21:31.10 | tuxd00d | jsmith: could you hook me up with some good food |
| 21:31.18 | goozbach | cheesecake factory is good food |
| 21:31.21 | sjansen | levi: Well if you're going to compare me to jsmith of course I'm going to look bad. |
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| 21:31.31 | jsmith | tuxd00d: Well, most of my favorite restaurants are in San Jose |
| 21:31.38 | tuxd00d | no, real food |
| 21:31.39 | goozbach | and if you've eaten at more than half of them across the country then you are cool |
| 21:31.41 | goozbach | like me |
| 21:31.50 | tuxd00d | Yes, I ate at some good places in San Jose |
| 21:31.54 | jsmith | goozbach: I'll bet you have! |
| 21:32.15 | levi | goozbach: I didn't say I was very cool. And eating at more than half of the instances of a chain restaurant makes you a corporate tool, not cool. ;) |
| 21:32.21 | sjansen | nah, goozbach, your original goal was to eat at all of them so that makes you a loser. |
| 21:32.27 | goozbach | I lose |
| 21:32.28 | goozbach | yes |
| 21:32.36 | sjansen | goozbach: You don't get to be cool until you achieve your goal. |
| 21:32.42 | goozbach | sjansen: but I've just about got florida under wraps |
| 21:32.57 | goozbach | I've got three, maybe four more here to do |
| 21:33.22 | tuxd00d | went to this little Indian food place with Richard Stallman |
| 21:34.19 | levi | Eating Indian food is cool. Doing it with RMS is not. ;) |
| 21:34.31 | tuxd00d | he's a little weird |
| 21:35.03 | sjansen | I think it'd be cool to eat with RMS. |
| 21:35.13 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.43 | tuxd00d | Indian food you all share the plates, at least for this meal we did |
| 21:36.04 | tuxd00d | and we eat with these pieces of bread |
| 21:36.39 | sjansen | Real Indian food is very, very yummy. |
| 21:36.42 | tuxd00d | jsmith: you were there, weren't you? |
| 21:37.01 | jsmith | tuxd00d: Nope. |
| 21:37.03 | tuxd00d | It as last year at VON |
| 21:37.15 | jsmith | tuxd00d: That wasn't Richard Stallman |
| 21:37.22 | jsmith | tuxd00d: That was John "maddog" Hall |
| 21:37.29 | tuxd00d | oh, getting my weird hairy dudes mixed up |
| 21:37.32 | tuxd00d | that's right |
| 21:37.38 | tuxd00d | it was maddog |
| 21:38.03 | tuxd00d | oops |
| 21:38.24 | tuxd00d | they look so much alike, you know |
| 21:39.08 | jsmith | Yeah, but they're worlds apart in terms of their beliefs |
| 21:39.22 | bonez39 | what determines where a print job will go, if two printers are available to linux? I have one local attached, but it's NOT the default, and a laser networked IS the default, or was, before changing one value in /etc/cups/ppd/myprinters.ppd ?? |
| 21:39.25 | jsmith | One believes in free software, the other believes in Brazilian beaches |
| 21:39.59 | tuxd00d | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maddog and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman |
| 21:40.31 | tuxd00d | what's wrong with brazilian beaches? |
| 21:40.33 | sjansen | Eating with maddog would be even cooler. |
| 21:40.55 | sjansen | I have a picture with maddog. His beard is light years better than my beard. |
| 21:41.01 | tuxd00d | Yes, he was an interesting guy.. weird like the rest of us |
| 21:41.28 | levi | I'm sure I'd much rather hang out with him than RMS. |
| 21:41.50 | tuxd00d | I'm sure I have a picture with him as well, somewhere...but I am a clean shaven man. |
| 21:42.16 | tuxd00d | yes, MadDog seems to be a lot more ... sane |
| 21:43.21 | tuxd00d | RMS doesn't like Harry Potter, http://stallman.org/harry-potter.html |
| 21:43.22 | levi | I admire a lot of the stuff RMS has done, but he's a bit on the nutty side. |
| 21:43.23 | brac | [Don't Buy Harry Potter Books] |
| 21:43.59 | tuxd00d | levi: I second |
| 21:44.10 | tuxd00d | MadDog reminds me of Santa Clause |
| 21:46.23 | tuxd00d | You know who else is cool? |
| 21:46.44 | tuxd00d | jsmith... he's the bomb-digity |
| 21:48.31 | tuxd00d | jsmith is shying away while trying to convince others that he doesn't know tuxd00d |
| 22:01.51 | jsmith | Not at all. |
| 22:01.56 | jsmith | I just happened to be eating dinner |
| 22:02.08 | jsmith | And now I'm back! |
| 22:09.11 | findlay | I'm tired |
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| 22:09.19 | findlay | somebody solve my problems for me |
| 22:09.56 | lukfugl | ~behead findlay |
| 22:10.05 | jsmith | ~solve findlay |
| 22:10.11 | ibot | ACTION grits her teeth while attempting to solve findlay |
| 22:11.32 | levi | findlay: What are your problems? |
| 22:12.29 | findlay | levi: well I have to do a bunch of programming that I'm not sure how it's going to turn out and, well ... |
| 22:12.46 | findlay | and I'm hungry |
| 22:12.52 | levi | Is anyone ever sure how a bunch of programming is going to turn out? |
| 22:13.00 | findlay | probably not |
| 22:13.33 | levi | Actually, if you predict 'disaster' you will probably be right more often than not. |
| 22:13.46 | levi | So, there you go. Problem solved. |
| 22:14.09 | levi | As for being hungry, eat some food. |
| 22:14.11 | levi | Next? |
| 22:14.50 | findlay | I'm trying to narrow down the timing problems with my car's engine |
| 22:17.06 | jsmith | They're called mechanics. |
| 22:17.27 | levi | The Common Lisp pretty-printer is awesome: http://www.merl.com/papers/docs/TR93-17.pdf |
| 22:17.34 | findlay | no way I'm paying for one of those |
| 22:17.44 | findlay | unless you want to buy me a new car jsmith :) |
| 22:17.58 | levi | findlay: What kind of car have you got, again? |
| 22:18.05 | findlay | subaru |
| 22:18.56 | findlay | it's not really a 'problem'. The engine runs excellently. I've just observed a tremor in the ignition timing |
| 22:19.29 | levi | How new is it? |
| 22:19.53 | findlay | 19 years |
| 22:20.08 | findlay | hm, that's how old |
| 22:20.12 | levi | Not very, then. |
| 22:20.23 | findlay | I'm not sure how to answer the question correctly |
| 22:22.28 | raventh1 | can anyone show me a good netmask wildcard reference ? |
| 22:22.37 | raventh1 | I understand the math, just not the principle. |
| 22:23.14 | levi | The timing is probably controlled by a distributor then, right? In any case, the ignition timing is based on the rotational speed of the camshafts. |
| 22:24.26 | levi | If the problem is only occasional, maybe it's due to some corrosion or wear in the ignition system. |
| 22:24.31 | findlay | levi: right, but my first thought was that the crankshaft wasn't rotating at constant rotational speed |
| 22:24.50 | findlay | due to non uniform mixture or something |
| 22:24.54 | levi | If it's not rotating at a constant speed, it's because the engine isn't firing properly. |
| 22:25.55 | levi | Well, there could always be some corrosion, buildup, or wear in the fuel system, too. |
| 22:26.08 | levi | Or the air intake. |
| 22:26.37 | findlay | but how would one of those things cause random changes in ignition timign? |
| 22:26.40 | jsmith | raventh1: The principle is this... by knowing your IP address and a netmask, along with the IP address of the remote system, you can know if you can talk directly to them or if you need to send the traffic through your default gateway |
| 22:27.42 | levi | findlay: The ignition timing is based mechanically on the rotation of the engine. So, if one bang isn't as powerful as it should be, the rotation will slow down. |
| 22:28.58 | findlay | ok, that's what I was thinking originally |
| 22:29.30 | findlay | that makes me wonder, does the crankshaft spin at constant rotation? Probably not |
| 22:29.43 | raventh1 | jsmith: thanks. |
| 22:29.46 | findlay | at each fire it's got to speed up a little |
| 22:31.14 | levi | The crank is rather heavy and well-balanced, so its rate of spin probably doesn't change too much at idle if it's tuned well. |
| 22:31.28 | findlay | hm |
| 22:31.51 | rsimpkins | Does anyone in here used LinkedIn? |
| 22:31.56 | findlay | there's more to this internal combustion contraption than I had hitherto supposed |
| 22:32.19 | findlay | rsimpkins: you're already on my network :) |
| 22:32.21 | levi | findlay: They're simple in principle, but the nuances are very complex. |
| 22:32.30 | rsimpkins | findlay: Can you help real quick? |
| 22:32.50 | rsimpkins | findlay: they approved PLUG as a group, but I'd like to try stuff before sending it out to the list. |
| 22:32.59 | findlay | levi: indeed, but an ICE in principle is still somewhat sophisticated |
| 22:33.07 | lukfugl | rsimpkins: I am as well |
| 22:33.39 | rsimpkins | Okay, can one of you guys go here and e-mail/tell me the basic steps you see/have to do? http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/2889/7F810718DA13 |
| 22:33.40 | findlay | rsimpkins: so what's your plan? |
| 22:34.00 | rsimpkins | That should give you some option to join the group. |
| 22:36.57 | findlay | rsimpkins: so it said 'sign up, or already user' and then 'accept invitation' |
| 22:37.37 | levi | findlay: They're fun, though, and even more so when you start doing fun stuff like turbocharging and electronic management of ignition and fuel injection. |
| 22:39.34 | rsimpkins | okay, looks like you can send inmail through their system to anyone in the group (you can turn that off if you want on a per-user basis). |
| 22:39.38 | rsimpkins | There *should* be a "Your Groups" section on findlay's and lukfugl's home page now. |
| 22:40.29 | findlay | yup, it even has a spiffy plug logo |
| 22:40.54 | lukfugl | I see it now |
| 22:41.07 | lukfugl | may have been there earlier and I just missed it |
| 22:42.21 | rsimpkins | lukfugl: Can you send findlay an e-mail via inmail? |
| 22:42.34 | rsimpkins | lukfugl: I'd like to confirm that regular users can do that, not just group admins. |
| 22:42.44 | lukfugl | I didn't try, but I did see an inmail link |
| 22:43.16 | *** join/#utah sjansen (n=sjansen@64.122.197.182) |
| 22:44.15 | rsimpkins | lukfugl: When you click on it do you get a form? |
| 22:44.24 | rsimpkins | lukfugl: If you do, that should indicate it will work. |
| 22:46.16 | *** join/#utah tuple (n=fugalh@216.31.27.110) |
| 22:46.31 | findlay | rsimpkins: the plug group disappeared |
| 22:47.24 | rsimpkins | findlay: huh? |
| 22:47.49 | rsimpkins | findlay: still says you are a member. Maybe it is buggy? |
| 22:47.51 | lukfugl | rsimpkins: yes, I did get a form |
| 22:47.54 | findlay | the little area in the bottom of the right column disappeared |
| 22:47.58 | rsimpkins | lukfugl: cool, thanks. |
| 22:48.13 | lukfugl | and I still have the plug widget on my homepage |
| 22:48.20 | rsimpkins | findlay: Humm. must be a deal on their end. I made no changes. |
| 22:48.28 | findlay | ah, it's back now |
| 22:48.33 | tuple | -lart Pages |
| 22:48.36 | findlay | must have been a DB thing |
| 22:48.55 | sjansen | So I have 45 minutes to teach Bind. Who thinks I can pull it off? |
| 22:48.55 | tuple | that was close. I took the cookbook to the printers and got a proof. when we got home we noticed that the ToC was mysteriously not quite right |
| 22:49.10 | findlay | no chance |
| 22:49.10 | tuple | turns out Pages doesn't automatically update the ToC. STUPID |
| 22:49.25 | findlay | just dwell on the security issues and you should be fine |
| 22:49.31 | tuple | sjansen, you can't do that. you might be able to teach enough bind for them to get by though |
| 22:49.56 | findlay | yay, 3 people in PLUG |
| 22:49.56 | tuple | if they're familiar enough with dns concepts |
| 22:50.15 | rsimpkins | sjansen: easy. |
| 22:51.07 | Tene | whoever: signing up for linkedin and joining plug worked fine for me |
| 22:51.18 | rsimpkins | Tene: cool, approving you now |
| 22:51.38 | *** join/#utah raventh1 (n=raven@68.142.142.101) |
| 22:51.43 | rsimpkins | We already ahve 5! :) |
| 22:52.16 | raventh1 | it's always good to kill irssi once in a while :D |
| 22:52.29 | tuple | x-chat aqua is shaping up to be a winner. I notice I actually had a quit message when the computer went to sleep. that's good. i can manouever through the tabs with cmd-arrow, that's good. it's not horridly ugly by default. now I just observe for a while and see if it's able to reconnect without handholding during my many sleep/wake transitions |
| 22:58.41 | elg | -chat |
| 22:58.42 | brac | not sure I find tech support messages Really funny ones off the top of my paper! |
| 22:59.33 | levi | -chat about paper |
| 22:59.33 | brac | paper is that worse than AsteriskNow |
| 22:59.49 | levi | -chat about tuple is |
| 22:59.49 | brac | tuple is in a totally random thought to be working on will make more money than any other suggestions? on oo2 |
| 23:05.47 | elg | elijah newren is coming to NM |
| 23:05.49 | elg | NM is the new Utah |
| 23:06.16 | Lone_Wanderer | How... |
| 23:06.23 | lukfugl | elijah newren? |
| 23:06.23 | Lone_Wanderer | wait, never mind. I forgot what I was going to ask. |
| 23:06.45 | rsimpkins | New Mexico - "The Best Cactus On Earth." ?? |
| 23:07.49 | Lone_Wanderer | cacti* |
| 23:08.05 | sjansen | rsimpkins: How do I join Plug on Linkedin? |
| 23:08.06 | rsimpkins | sjansen: http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/2889/7F810718DA13 |
| 23:08.20 | lukfugl | ah, the gnome guy |
| 23:09.17 | lukfugl | I knew the name was familiar |
| 23:10.21 | rsimpkins | sjansen: approved |
| 23:10.21 | sjansen | I have been judged and found worthy! |
| 23:10.21 | elg | some guy on openclue is all I know |
| 23:10.21 | elg | ~judge sjansen |
| 23:10.37 | rsimpkins | I thought like 5 people would care about this linkedin thing, but 11 people have already joined. |
| 23:10.37 | herlo | rsimpkins: I've been doing linkedin for a while, it's actually pretty cool to see all my friends and work acquaintances join up... |
| 23:10.37 | Lone_Wanderer | If I've got a TV satellite dish, can I turn that into a two-way antenna for wireless 'net access? |
| 23:10.37 | lukfugl | yeah, only know him from openclue as well |
| 23:10.37 | rsimpkins | herlo: I wish they'd get some banner ads and open up some features though. |
| 23:10.48 | Tene | Lone_Wanderer: yes |
| 23:11.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Cool. What kind of thing(s) would I look up to work it all out? |
| 23:11.17 | *** join/#utah jsmith-away (n=jsmith@70.5.231.20) |
| 23:11.17 | tuxd00d | brac: What is wrong with AsteriskNow? |
| 23:11.18 | brac | you best check yo'self! |
| 23:11.19 | Tene | Lone_Wanderer: there have been a couple of posts on hackaday about it |
| 23:11.27 | Tene | -chat about hackaday |
| 23:11.28 | brac | hackaday had |
| 23:11.37 | Tene | -chat about tene |
| 23:11.38 | brac | tene went to highschool |
| 23:11.46 | Tene | omgwtfstalker!!! |
| 23:13.36 | Lone_Wanderer | How much trouble would I get into for exceeding the FCC's standards for the power of my wireless signal? |
| 23:14.04 | Keighvin | Lone_Wanderer: |
| 23:14.10 | tuxd00d | Lone_Wanderer: depends if they find out |
| 23:14.21 | Lone_Wanderer | That's kind of what I thought. |
| 23:14.25 | Keighvin | Lone_Wanderer: I doubt they'd ever find out about it, unless you mentioned it on a public forum somewhere... |
| 23:14.59 | Keighvin | It's really easy to get the basic radio operators license though, and that allows you to do it legally as well as grants you access to some good resources to accomplish the feat. |
| 23:14.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Why would I ever mention, on a public forum, that I don't intend to monitor the signal strength of my wireless antenna? |
| 23:15.03 | Lone_Wanderer | ;) |
| 23:15.07 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 23:15.12 | tuxd00d | Lone_Wanderer: Where do you live... I wonder if the FCC over's compensation for narking |
| 23:15.15 | tuxd00d | offer |
| 23:15.16 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: It's not very polite to trample on other people's signals with excessively powerful ones of your own, though. |
| 23:15.36 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm not going to purposely boost the power of my signal. |
| 23:15.47 | Lone_Wanderer | I just don't want to be bothered with testing it to see if it's within range. |
| 23:16.02 | tuxd00d | why would you need to? Do you need your neighbors to use your wifi? |
| 23:16.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, I guess using the dish in the first place could be considered purposely boosting the power |
| 23:16.19 | levi | Time to head to school to study for my test. |
| 23:16.26 | Lone_Wanderer | later levi |
| 23:16.29 | tuxd00d | using a dish is directional |
| 23:16.45 | tuxd00d | levi: school ... at this hour? |
| 23:17.00 | levi | tuxd00d: I work all day, and take classes at night. |
| 23:17.19 | tuxd00d | ahh |
| 23:17.24 | levi | The price I pay for slacking off when I went to school full-time. |
| 23:17.30 | tuxd00d | levi: you're a honorable man |
| 23:17.43 | bonez39 | anyone using a wrt54g... with firmware upgraded.....to allow more control of the functions, than just the firmware from cisco? |
| 23:18.11 | tuxd00d | bonez39: I have one, but haven't played with the firmware yet |
| 23:19.52 | mheath | Wow. Why does that happen? |
| 23:20.22 | mheath | Have IRSSI running in screen |
| 23:20.22 | elg | Tene: lol |
| 23:20.24 | mheath | I detatch, and when I come back later and re-attach, all my connversations are there, but everythingg since I left is timestamped at the time I reattached. |
| 23:20.24 | elg | brac is stalking you. he knows you went to high school |
| 23:20.37 | elg | mheath: sounds like you've been hax0r3d |
| 23:20.45 | tuxd00d | Jimmy Carter is on King of the Hill... wimpy no-nothing about the nature of war |
| 23:20.48 | Tene | mheath: it "wasn't" sjansen. |
| 23:20.54 | bonez39 | tuxd00d, I read somewhere...that one can fiddle with the firmware...since the OS is linux running that router... |
| 23:20.55 | mheath | Hardc0r3 hax0r1N6 indeed. |
| 23:21.04 | tuxd00d | bonez39: yes, you can |
| 23:21.09 | mheath | Not really |
| 23:21.21 | mheath | DOn't go buy a WRT54G at bestbuy if your looking for that kind of functionality |
| 23:21.21 | tuxd00d | bonez39: when you put a new firmware on it |
| 23:21.40 | mheath | Current WRT54G's aren't supported by the 3rd party firmwares |
| 23:21.50 | tuxd00d | you have to make sure that you have the linux version of the WRT |
| 23:21.51 | mheath | I found that out when I tried to modify one our friend bought. |
| 23:22.01 | bonez39 | tuxd00d, where do you find that? |
| 23:22.03 | mheath | tuxd00d: No, you don't. |
| 23:22.15 | mheath | ALLL WRT54Gs work with some kind of third party firmware |
| 23:22.15 | bonez39 | mheath, and what happened to the one you attempted to modify? |
| 23:22.17 | mheath | Except the newest one. |
| 23:22.25 | bonez39 | I have version 8... |
| 23:22.29 | tuxd00d | oh, I stand corrected |
| 23:22.49 | mheath | bonez39: I didn't turn it into a brick or anything, it just complained that the firmware file I was trying to upgrade to was invalid. |
| 23:23.08 | mheath | Heh, wireless here is insane. |
| 23:23.14 | mheath | So many people trying to leach |
| 23:23.30 | mheath | When I first plugged the router in, its unsecured by default.... |
| 23:24.05 | mheath | I had over 30 connections to it by the time I was able to configure it and secure it. 5 minutes, 30 connections. |
| 23:26.56 | tuxd00d | That Carls Jr commercial was on again... that one the girls don't like |
| 23:26.56 | mheath | I'm in an upside down world here. |
| 23:26.56 | mheath | Carls Jr isn't called Carls Jr here |
| 23:26.57 | Tene | mheath: you should intentionally run an open AP, and sniff all passwords and cc numbers and such that go through it |
| 23:26.57 | tuxd00d | mheath: yep.. it's that other name |
| 23:26.57 | mheath | Tene: I tried to be funny. Not to steal info, but just to see what would happen. I opened the router up and named the ESSID "Connect Here". |
| 23:26.57 | mheath | The router was frozen in about 10 minutes. |
| 23:26.57 | Tene | or name it "I will steal your passwords" |
| 23:26.57 | tuxd00d | Tene: not a bad idea... they end up paying for the network usage..funny |
| 23:26.57 | mheath | Couldn't even connect to the web interfacce to secure it again |
| 23:26.57 | mheath | Had to reboot it |
| 23:26.57 | tuxd00d | mheath: yours froze? |
| 23:26.57 | mheath | tuxd00d: Yes |
| 23:26.57 | Tene | mheath: run airpwn: http://evilscheme.org/defcon/ |
| 23:26.57 | brac | [Goatse at Defcon -- brought to you by airpwn] |
| 23:26.57 | tuxd00d | mheath: what one are you running? |
| 23:27.01 | bonez39 | tuxd00d, which girls? the girls watching it, or the girls IN the commercial? |
| 23:27.22 | mheath | tuxd00d: Thats no indication that the router or firmware is bad. Read what I said, it froze when there was over 50 connections and several people purposely DDoSing it. |
| 23:27.52 | mheath | If you expect a D-Link home router to stand up to over 50 connections and heavy load, your expectations are too high. |
| 23:27.57 | tuxd00d | my wife really doesn't care for the commercial |
| 23:28.08 | mheath | BTW, Carls Jr. here is called "Hardees". |
| 23:28.18 | tuxd00d | she figured out why I have been going to Carls Jr more often |
| 23:28.20 | bonez39 | mheath, where is your 'here'? |
| 23:28.27 | mheath | A fact that I constantly remember to remind my friend Hardy of whenever he eats there. |
| 23:28.47 | Tene | tuxd00d: what commercial is this? I don't really watch TV. |
| 23:28.50 | mheath | bonez39: NNPTC @ NWSCHS |
| 23:28.53 | Tene | What is depicted in the commercial? |
| 23:28.58 | mheath | Aren't acronyms fun? :) |
| 23:29.16 | mheath | bonez39: Naval Nuclear Power Training Command @ Naval Weapons Station, Charleston (South Carolina). |
| 23:29.46 | tuxd00d | http://www.spicybuffalo.com/carlsjr/ |
| 23:30.13 | Tene | tuxd00d: the commercial is a solid black screen? |
| 23:30.19 | mheath | But all the Carl's Jrs in the east are all Hardee's. |
| 23:32.11 | Tene | mheath: aren't those actually different resteraunts? |
| 23:32.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Is there any easy way to look through several directories, into the style.css file in each of them, and then tally up each individual rule across all files? |
| 23:32.12 | beandog | Tene: nope |
| 23:32.12 | beandog | same logos, food, everything |
| 23:32.12 | beandog | just named hardees |
| 23:32.12 | beandog | Hardees was good too, back in the day. |
| 23:32.12 | Tene | Lone_Wanderer: a couple of lines of perl |
| 23:32.12 | Lone_Wanderer | What I'd like to get in the end is a thing that says, for example, "body: X/Y files, table: X/Y files, .error: X/Y files" |
| 23:32.12 | mheath | Tene: yeah, what beandog said. |
| 23:32.13 | beandog | well, as good as 2nd rate fast food can get. |
| 23:32.13 | mheath | Every element of their advertising, packaging, food, etc. is identicla |
| 23:32.13 | Tene | mheath: okay |
| 23:32.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Tene: That's what I was afraid of. |
| 23:32.13 | mheath | except the copy says "Hardee's" instead of "Carls Jr." :P |
| 23:32.13 | Tene | mheath: I get it. you only needed to explain it once. |
| 23:32.35 | mheath | Tene: Yes, but Hardees is the same as Carl's Jr. |
| 23:32.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Tene: You'll have to excuse him, he's used to working with Seamen. |
| 23:32.41 | beandog | http://www.hardees.com/home/ |
| 23:32.50 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer: Yes, I am, but I am a Fireman |
| 23:32.59 | mheath | My reactor control division type brethren are seaman. |
| 23:33.02 | beandog | nice little jailbait there |
| 23:33.27 | mheath | haha |
| 23:33.41 | mheath | My instructor was making fun of the classification here |
| 23:34.30 | mheath | "Why do you have your window open? Look. Theres a foreign national....in that tree there! Quick, hide the NOFORN material! Nevermind that you can buy a copy of your textbook online! This is valuable government secrets!" |
| 23:34.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Just be sure to keep in mind that water > fire. |
| 23:34.35 | tuxd00d | I think the Carls Jr girl is cuter than than the Hardee's girl |
| 23:34.56 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer: Yes, but EM > ET. |
| 23:35.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Well that's odd. My ex girlfriend, who is jealous of every girl I look at, is trying to introduce me to cute girls all of a sudden. |
| 23:36.04 | mheath | To be more specific, Nuke.EM > Nuke.ET > Nuke.MM > Conventionals |
| 23:36.04 | tuxd00d | Lone_Wanderer: you're full of it |
| 23:36.04 | Lone_Wanderer | I suspect that she is up to something tricksy. |
| 23:36.18 | mheath | Nuke.MM == Monkey |
| 23:36.44 | mheath | Nuke.ET == Button Pusher |
| 23:36.46 | rsimpkins | Lone_Wanderer: She probably is fishing for compliments. |
| 23:36.54 | mheath | Nuke.EM == The best |
| 23:37.13 | Tene | mheath: the best the navy has is "just better than a button pusher"? |
| 23:37.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Presumably the monkeys they have aren't even capable of pushing buttons. |
| 23:37.43 | mheath | It's the Navy. Button pushing is our profession. |
| 23:38.09 | Lone_Wanderer | rsimpkins: How would introducing me to other girls, who are by all accounts hotter than her, get her compliments? |
| 23:38.34 | rsimpkins | Lone_Wanderer: She wants you to look at her and say "I think you're hotter than those girls." |
| 23:38.47 | rsimpkins | Lone_Wanderer: Even though you both know she may not be. |
| 23:39.01 | Lone_Wanderer | She doesn't really come close in this case, I'm afraid. |
| 23:39.15 | rsimpkins | Lone_Wanderer: Well, if you want to have a fight, tell her that. |
| 23:39.33 | rsimpkins | Lone_Wanderer: Or she's trying to tell you that she's going to dump you. :) |
| 23:39.38 | Lone_Wanderer | It wouldn't cause a fight, anyway. She'd just cry. |
| 23:39.44 | Lone_Wanderer | She's my *ex* girlfriend. |
| 23:39.45 | tuxd00d | I'm rather happy with my wife.. The Carl's Jr girl doesn't stand a chance. |
| 23:39.53 | Lone_Wanderer | I broke up with her. |
| 23:39.58 | rsimpkins | Lone_Wanderer: your ex-gf is introducing you to cute girls? |
| 23:40.04 | mheath | Hmm. Question. I'm willing to guess that most people here have read Ender's Game before, right? |
| 23:40.06 | rsimpkins | Lone_Wanderer: Then that is just a bonus! :) |
| 23:40.07 | Lone_Wanderer | rsimpkins: yes |
| 23:40.17 | Lone_Wanderer | mheath: yeah |
| 23:40.19 | tuxd00d | Ender who? |
| 23:41.01 | mheath | Question. I'ved read the book many, many times before, but I recently picked up a nice hard cover copy of the book. |
| 23:42.04 | mheath | I noticed some racial remarks (only one, and they're joking) that Ender makes to Alai. I noticed they've been censored out of every other edition of the book I've read...... |
| 23:42.04 | Lone_Wanderer | No. |
| 23:42.08 | Lone_Wanderer | That's not a question. |
| 23:42.16 | mheath | Anyone know why they censored it? Or notice that? |
| 23:42.34 | mheath | I was just wondering. They remarks seem really out of place for the rest of the book |
| 23:45.55 | tuxd00d | You are not allowed to read Tom Sawyer in schools |
| 23:47.08 | mheath | No, it's not that kind of subtle remark. |
| 23:47.30 | *** part/#utah beandog (n=sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog) |
| 23:47.45 | mheath | He's joking, but Ender calls Alai a very derrogatory term for African Americans. And I wouldn't have noticed, but it just seems so.....out of place for everything else in that book. |
| 23:56.59 | Lone_Wanderer | later all |
