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| 02:38.55 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
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| 03:07.09 | mheath | Evening. |
| 03:08.51 | Tene | mheath: what's up? |
| 03:23.01 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 03:23.06 | elg | Tene: that was an interesting article |
| 03:23.26 | Tene | elg: no it wasn't. |
| 03:23.32 | vontrapp | what article? |
| 03:23.44 | elg | it wasn't interesting? |
| 03:24.03 | Tene | Unless you find examples of rhetorical deception interesting. |
| 03:24.34 | elg | rhetorical deception eh? |
| 03:26.27 | elg | what makes you say that? |
| 03:30.06 | Tene | I found it pretty ridiculous. |
| 03:32.45 | Tene | The part about the Honor of Nations had some interesting parts, though. |
| 03:41.24 | elg | i found it thought provoking, resonating, and maybe a bit over the top in places |
| 03:41.34 | elg | but i'd hardly call it rhetorical deception |
| 03:42.07 | elg | what's to deceive? he's saying honor is a good thing and his opinion is that some things cause us to lose honor |
| 03:42.49 | Tene | m'eh, I was feeling dramatic. |
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| 05:10.22 | levi_home | Good evening. |
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| 05:34.49 | harleypig | Can anyone tell me if what I want is possible, and if so, how? |
| 05:34.58 | harleypig | I've got two monitors ... |
| 05:35.18 | harleypig | One comes with my laptop (ok, desktop replacement) and one is an lcd via dvi. |
| 05:35.40 | harleypig | I'm using twinview right now, but that makes for some funky resolutions for mplayer. |
| 05:35.55 | harleypig | And wallpapers are stretching out of shape as well. |
| 05:36.36 | harleypig | Can I somehow set it up so that mplayer will work on one monitor only (at least at full screen) and I can have separate wallpapers and screen savers on each monitor? |
| 05:42.11 | Tene | harleypig: an important term here is 'xinerama' |
| 05:42.23 | Tene | It's the name of the X extension that provides information about multiple monitors. |
| 05:45.20 | harleypig | Tene: Thanks ... I've added that to my USE flags and I'll see what difference that makes. Do I need to make any changes to my xorg.conf? |
| 05:46.56 | Tene | Yes, you probably do. |
| 05:47.25 | Tene | Maybe just make sure it's listed in the 'modules' section. |
| 05:47.34 | Tene | I'm unsure, but try that. |
| 05:48.09 | harleypig | thanks |
| 05:51.32 | harleypig | woah ... that's a lot of packages. |
| 05:54.18 | Tene | Heh. |
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| 13:45.22 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
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| 14:28.58 | findlay | hello |
| 14:39.48 | elg | goodbye |
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| 15:00.50 | findlay | goodbye |
| 15:01.11 | Jayce^ | you say hello... |
| 15:03.12 | Jayce^ | mmm, lutefisk.. |
| 15:07.03 | findlay | ~herr tensai |
| 15:13.54 | ^Migs^ | hahaha: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17967203/ |
| 15:13.59 | ^Migs^ | that REALLY sucks |
| 15:14.08 | ^Migs^ | An unoccupied rental house in Tacoma, Wash., was plundered to its moorings after someone apparently impersonating the landlord posted a too-good-go-be-true ad on Craigslist inviting people to take anything they wanted. |
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| 15:14.43 | graphyx | That is what insurance is for. |
| 15:14.53 | graphyx | and internet forensics |
| 15:15.03 | findlay | obviously craiglist is only for commies and terrorists |
| 15:15.45 | graphyx | which is what ebay wants you to believe |
| 15:16.37 | findlay | but ebay is for valid XHTMLiphobes |
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| 15:33.46 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ for good measure |
| 15:33.46 | ibot | follow's Jayce^ with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION for good measure |
| 15:34.00 | Jayce^ | ~lart Keighvin because he deserves it |
| 15:34.01 | ibot | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down Keighvin because he deserves it's throat until Keighvin because he deserves it puts on 150lbs |
| 15:34.22 | Keighvin | Little late for that one, I think. |
| 15:34.26 | Keighvin | How's UNTD? |
| 15:34.38 | elg | is that a caveman conference? |
| 15:35.59 | elg | ~mock vontrapp |
| 15:36.01 | ibot | ACTION pulls vontrapp's pants down and shows the world vontrapp's pink spotted underwear |
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| 15:59.02 | findlay | why isn't there a debate in here this morning? |
| 15:59.07 | findlay | ~debate |
| 15:59.11 | ibot | i heard debate is something that people do in order to reach a conclusion but usually they just end up in an argument |
| 15:59.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Umm. |
| 15:59.12 | findlay | ~argue |
| 15:59.15 | levi | findlay: What would you like to debate? |
| 15:59.25 | findlay | stuff |
| 15:59.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Shut up findlay. You're wrong. About everything. Rawr! |
| 15:59.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Emacs rulzZ! |
| 15:59.49 | findlay | whatever, Lone_Wanderer. You couldn't handle the truth anyway |
| 16:00.06 | findlay | -chat about debate is |
| 16:00.07 | brac | debate is something like 8-10 years ago, to boot) is a joke -- I'm out of it. I prefer pushing a button to look forward to going back to thhe hotel and placed him under arrest. |
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| 16:00.55 | Lone_Wanderer | You just don't see things from my perspective because you lack my mental acuity. |
| 16:01.03 | elg | -chat redbeard2 |
| 16:01.04 | brac | redbeard2 was |
| 16:01.14 | levi | I have no mental acuity today. Too little sleep. |
| 16:01.22 | findlay | ibot: redbeard2 = redbeard1 ++ |
| 16:01.51 | findlay | my ment is so acute that it melts through most substances almost immediately |
| 16:02.37 | Lone_Wanderer | I forget what my line is now. |
| 16:02.53 | findlay | ~remember levi |
| 16:02.55 | ibot | How can i forget about levi ? That person is the greatest <fill in whatever is appropriate> in the whole wide world ! |
| 16:02.56 | findlay | ~remember Lone_Wanderer |
| 16:02.58 | ibot | How can i forget about Lone_Wanderer ? That person is the greatest <fill in whatever is appropriate> in the whole wide world ! |
| 16:03.55 | Lone_Wanderer | ~remember the Titans |
| 16:03.57 | ibot | How can i forget about the Titans ? That person is the greatest <fill in whatever is appropriate> in the whole wide world ! |
| 16:04.15 | findlay | ~forget the Titans |
| 16:04.15 | ibot | i didn't have anything called 'the titans' to forget, findlay |
| 16:04.26 | Lone_Wanderer | ~remember the guy who is appropriately referred to without a space after his name and before a question mark |
| 16:04.28 | ibot | How can i forget about the guy who is appropriately referred to without a space after his name and before a question mark ? That person is the greatest <fill in whatever is appropriate> in the whole wide world ! |
| 16:04.49 | findlay | ~recurse |
| 16:04.50 | ibot | ~recurse |
| 16:09.45 | findlay | ~leave |
| 16:09.47 | ibot | i heard leave is what lazarus should do now |
| 16:10.02 | findlay | ~sure |
| 16:10.03 | ibot | it has been said that sure is slow |
| 16:15.42 | Keighvin | ~shoot Jayce^ |
| 16:15.44 | ibot | ACTION shoots Jayce^ in the foot with a cork gun! |
| 16:15.51 | Keighvin | weak |
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| 16:16.36 | findlay | ~shoot Keighvin |
| 16:16.38 | ibot | ACTION shoots Keighvin in the head with a phase pistol! |
| 16:16.57 | Keighvin | What *kind* of phase pistol? |
| 16:17.17 | findlay | a metaphase pistol, obviously |
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| 16:17.45 | Keighvin | Um, yes. Obviously. |
| 16:17.52 | findlay | indeed |
| 16:19.15 | findlay | ~shoot stuff |
| 16:19.17 | ibot | ACTION shoots stuff in the foot with a phase pistol! |
| 16:19.25 | findlay | ibot: you already did that one |
| 16:21.11 | herlo | ~shoot findlay |
| 16:21.13 | ibot | ACTION shoots findlay in the foot with a cork gun! |
| 16:21.17 | herlo | :) |
| 16:21.18 | ^Migs^ | ffmpeg should be able to convert FLVs to MP3s/MP4s, shouldn't it? |
| 16:21.27 | herlo | ^Migs^: yes |
| 16:21.34 | herlo | well, mp3s at lest |
| 16:21.36 | herlo | least |
| 16:21.44 | ^Migs^ | mp3s are good enough, thanks |
| 16:22.08 | herlo | ^Migs^: I just realized I didn't knwo what I was talking about, I swore you were asking something completely different... |
| 16:22.28 | ^Migs^ | so it can't then? |
| 16:22.34 | ^Migs^ | what did you think I was asking? :P |
| 16:22.40 | Keighvin | That's what happens when you try to stress under-utilized organs. |
| 16:22.44 | ^Migs^ | okay, enough of the self-mutilation |
| 16:23.30 | herlo | ^Migs^: something about ffmpeg converting mpeg2 to use mp3/mp4 format... |
| 16:23.50 | herlo | or is that hi |
| 16:23.58 | herlo | or hai |
| 16:24.09 | ^Migs^ | oh, okay |
| 16:24.58 | findlay | ~convert hi to mpn where n e {I} |
| 16:25.36 | herlo | ~lart findlay for putting math into the equation |
| 16:25.36 | ibot | pushes the wall down onto findlay whilst whistling innocently for putting math into the equation |
| 16:25.36 | findlay | well, ibot can't do it |
| 16:26.59 | findlay | ~shoot math |
| 16:27.01 | ibot | ACTION shoots math in the head with a glue gun! |
| 16:33.54 | Lone_Wanderer | ~cramp |
| 16:34.39 | herlo | http://www.xkcd.com/ |
| 16:34.41 | brac | [xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe] |
| 16:34.50 | Keighvin | Give me back my CD! |
| 16:35.01 | Keighvin | (paraphrasing, of course) |
| 16:35.06 | herlo | yeah, I love those... |
| 16:35.18 | herlo | I had two machines do that to me this morning... |
| 16:35.33 | herlo | I think I might be contributing to a future robot war... |
| 16:36.54 | findlay | ~battle herlo |
| 16:37.01 | herlo | ~herlo findlay |
| 16:37.03 | ibot | ACTION pokes findlay with a sharp needle. |
| 16:37.09 | herlo | :) |
| 16:37.10 | findlay | ~bzfrag herlo |
| 16:37.12 | ibot | ACTION makes herlo feel the effects of a shockwave |
| 16:37.42 | herlo | findlay: there is no sense in trying... |
| 16:37.49 | findlay | noo! |
| 16:38.48 | bonez39 | anyone else....using comcast...running a web site, or otherwise....using dynamic IP ? I can't seem to get ssh to be accessible, nor web server....at my home...where i used to back up to home, from work... |
| 16:39.17 | herlo | bonez39: I used to do that, until I moved last week... Hopefully it will be back up again this weekend... |
| 16:39.34 | bonez39 | herlo, you had comcast with dyn IP? |
| 16:40.20 | herlo | bonez39: yes |
| 16:40.28 | herlo | bonez39: for a while |
| 16:41.09 | bonez39 | something just aint right...with my setup at home....it's been comcast for 2 years +... and worked fine... |
| 16:41.22 | herlo | bonez39: they like to change things up... |
| 16:41.48 | herlo | bonez39: I am tired of them, but I have to deal with it for another 5 months or so... |
| 16:42.12 | bonez39 | herlo, well, yeah.....but I called Comcast just now and they said I have two addresses.....one is 10.209.32.199 and another is 71.195.253.135... |
| 16:42.19 | bonez39 | herlo, what happens in 5 months? |
| 16:42.50 | herlo | :) |
| 16:42.55 | findlay | sure |
| 16:43.09 | findlay | I heard utopia in the Murray area wasn't that great |
| 16:43.23 | herlo | bonez39: the 71.x.x.x address is the right one. the other looks like they're double nat'ing now... |
| 16:43.35 | herlo | findlay: yeah, but its better than the comcast in any city |
| 16:43.35 | bonez39 | I have a neighbor who lives in Murray..has been waiting a while...months... to get his service..and they are still behind |
| 16:43.49 | herlo | bonez39: where I was going to move already has it, I checked... |
| 16:43.53 | bonez39 | herlo, yes, the 10. address is what Comcast gave me.... |
| 16:43.59 | findlay | ~envy herlo |
| 16:44.02 | herlo | bonez39: that's new |
| 16:44.13 | herlo | bonez39: I never had any address but the 71 address... |
| 16:44.26 | herlo | mine was 71.199.21.35 to be exact, but no longer... |
| 16:44.46 | bonez39 | hmmm |
| 16:49.17 | bonez39 | at home...I have a static internal IP assigned to my linux box.....and the router has port 22 forwarded to the linux box... if I want to web to work.and email..would I have forward those ports too? 25, 80, and 110? |
| 16:51.00 | maquis | ok.. stupid question |
| 16:51.09 | maquis | where on windows are cookies stored for firefox? |
| 16:51.21 | findlay | the cookie monster takes them |
| 16:51.26 | elg | stupid answer: deltree c:\windows |
| 16:51.28 | findlay | sometimes |
| 16:51.39 | maquis | elg: thx... that's useful |
| 16:51.45 | maquis | but it doesn't quite solve my problem |
| 16:57.57 | findlay | maquis: why don't you just use the firefox cookie manager? |
| 16:58.14 | maquis | findlay: because i can't seem to get it to let me edit the cookie |
| 16:58.19 | maquis | maybe i'm just missing that, though |
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| 16:58.52 | findlay | sjansen knows all, ask him |
| 16:58.59 | sjansen | 42 |
| 16:59.06 | maquis | sjansen: do you know how to find a cookie in firefox and edit it? |
| 16:59.12 | maquis | on windoze |
| 16:59.41 | sjansen | I'd bet there's a FF plugin that lets you do that. Search the Web dev plugins. |
| 17:00.02 | maquis | i was hoping to just open it up someplace |
| 17:00.04 | maquis | but ok |
| 17:00.06 | sjansen | Don't try editing it on disk with FF running 'cause it'll probably be cached in memory. |
| 17:00.55 | findlay | why don't you just eat them and be over with it? |
| 17:02.00 | bonez39 | I store them in my belly........Maquis.... |
| 17:04.35 | graphyx | maquis: Just insntall the add n edit cookie plugin. |
| 17:04.38 | graphyx | its great. |
| 17:05.13 | findlay | what I want is a decent cookie manager that lets you search cookies |
| 17:05.39 | sjansen | ~hug CookieSafe |
| 17:05.41 | ibot | ACTION sneaks up on CookieSafe and suddenly hugs CookieSafe tightly |
| 17:05.48 | graphyx | cookie names or cookie content? |
| 17:06.02 | findlay | searching through the huge list of sites for one cookie is a real pain |
| 17:06.14 | findlay | and then sites set multiple cookies for different DNs |
| 17:06.16 | findlay | argh |
| 17:06.41 | findlay | graphyx: names, sites mainly |
| 17:06.46 | graphyx | use add n edit cookies |
| 17:07.01 | graphyx | you can filter based on any part of the string |
| 17:07.12 | findlay | that's ince |
| 17:07.17 | graphyx | yes |
| 17:07.27 | findlay | s/stuff/corrected/ |
| 17:08.59 | graphyx | 0 matches found, continue at start of file y/n? |
| 17:12.44 | maquis | lol |
| 17:12.48 | maquis | i crashed the jukebox |
| 17:29.39 | findlay | s/ince/nice/ |
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| 18:01.45 | hagna | any legend of the red dragon fans here? |
| 18:01.50 | hagna | or usurper? |
| 18:07.11 | ^Migs^ | of course |
| 18:07.26 | ^Migs^ | I tried playing Usurper recently, but couldn't get into it as much as I used to. But LORD is always fun. |
| 18:07.38 | ^Migs^ | there's also the Legend of the Green Dragon game on the web, which is kinda cool. |
| 18:07.39 | findlay | ^Migs^ is the man of all things |
| 18:08.05 | hagna | k-bbs.dyndns.org is a bbs run by some local guy |
| 18:08.11 | hagna | you can play LORD there |
| 18:08.18 | ^Migs^ | nah |
| 18:08.22 | hagna | ^Migs^: I'll look for green |
| 18:08.22 | ^Migs^ | there's a ton of telnet BBSs to play LORD at |
| 18:08.32 | hagna | ^Migs^: :) yeah |
| 18:08.33 | ^Migs^ | I like the ones that are loaded up with all those modules, or whatever they were called |
| 18:08.37 | hagna | This one is local though |
| 18:08.44 | hagna | IGMs |
| 18:08.44 | ^Migs^ | oh, cool |
| 18:08.50 | ^Migs^ | not that "local" really matters anymore |
| 18:08.51 | ^Migs^ | that's right, IGM |
| 18:08.53 | ^Migs^ | s |
| 18:09.08 | ^Migs^ | I also liked Trade Wars 2002 and The Pit |
| 18:09.11 | hagna | if local doens't matter why are you in #utah? |
| 18:09.21 | ^Migs^ | what makes you think I live in Utah? |
| 18:09.28 | hagna | I don't think you do |
| 18:09.44 | hagna | but you joined the channel for some reason |
| 18:09.46 | ^Migs^ | well I do, so you thought wrong |
| 18:09.54 | hagna | dang |
| 18:09.56 | hagna | hehehe |
| 18:10.02 | findlay | heh |
| 18:10.31 | sjansen | Whoops. Putting a remote box into runlevel 1 doesn't work so well... |
| 18:10.49 | hagna | not remotely anyway |
| 18:11.28 | herlo | ~lart sjansen for not thinking about the consequences |
| 18:11.28 | ibot | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, sjansen, this won't hurt a bit...." for not thinking about the consequences |
| 18:11.41 | herlo | :) |
| 18:12.39 | graphyx | what is run level one? single user mode? |
| 18:12.50 | hagna | aye |
| 18:12.53 | sjansen | pretty much |
| 18:12.54 | graphyx | ok |
| 18:12.58 | findlay | and runlevel 0.5 is half-user mode? |
| 18:13.05 | hagna | graphyx: join LORD btw |
| 18:13.11 | graphyx | Nah |
| 18:13.18 | graphyx | I've been there and done that |
| 18:13.22 | ^Migs^ | hagna: Have you played Dink Smallwood? |
| 18:13.23 | graphyx | I don't have time for it any more |
| 18:13.27 | hagna | graphyx: yeah it brings back the mems |
| 18:13.35 | hagna | ^Migs^: no |
| 18:13.38 | ^Migs^ | also made by Seth Able Robinson |
| 18:13.47 | sjansen | technically, there's a tiny difference between 1 and S/single, but it's usually ignorable |
| 18:13.48 | ^Migs^ | REALLY fun game, as I recall. I'll have to download it again |
| 18:13.54 | graphyx | hagna: I didn't realize that you were a old time modem guy. |
| 18:13.54 | herlo | findlay: you are always in half user mode aren't you? |
| 18:14.05 | hagna | graphyx: yeah |
| 18:14.06 | ^Migs^ | http://www.rtsoft.com/dink/ |
| 18:14.07 | brac | [RTsoft - Dink Smallwood] |
| 18:14.09 | findlay | well, half-user is about max |
| 18:14.15 | hagna | graphyx: I just ran qmodem two days ago |
| 18:14.19 | ^Migs^ | plus it has a scripting language to go with it, and users have made tons of modules |
| 18:14.23 | hagna | graphyx: in dosbox that was ufn |
| 18:14.24 | hagna | fun |
| 18:14.42 | graphyx | hagna: what was the baud of the first modem that you used often? |
| 18:14.48 | hagna | 4800 |
| 18:14.54 | hagna | you? |
| 18:14.57 | graphyx | 1200 |
| 18:15.00 | ^Migs^ | it has kind of a cult fanbase now |
| 18:15.01 | hagna | oh man |
| 18:15.05 | graphyx | yeah |
| 18:15.12 | hagna | ^Migs^: I'll check it out |
| 18:15.12 | graphyx | it's been a while |
| 18:15.23 | graphyx | back in SJ there was quite the bbs scene. |
| 18:15.23 | hagna | we finally found a client that works well for osx |
| 18:15.26 | ^Migs^ | my first was 2400. graphyx is more old skool than I am. |
| 18:15.27 | hagna | sync term |
| 18:15.33 | graphyx | ^Migs^: heh |
| 18:15.39 | hagna | SJ? |
| 18:15.39 | ^Migs^ | we had a good BBS scene here in Utah, too |
| 18:15.46 | ^Migs^ | probably not as good as other places, though |
| 18:15.46 | graphyx | San Jose. |
| 18:15.47 | hagna | yeah it was pretty good |
| 18:16.06 | hagna | I think the feds even got into it |
| 18:16.10 | ^Migs^ | I ran a BBS for awhile, but hardly anyone could connect cuz I was always online. Users mistook that for the BBS being popular. |
| 18:16.37 | graphyx | The free mags at the hardware store would have page after page of 6 pt type for bbs listings. |
| 18:16.41 | graphyx | it was a lot of fun. |
| 18:16.55 | hagna | there was more of a sense of community at least here |
| 18:17.26 | ^Migs^ | I hung out on the Lower Lights BBS a lot |
| 18:17.38 | graphyx | Well back in SJ there was a lot of phreaking sites. |
| 18:17.39 | ^Migs^ | before IRC, at least |
| 18:17.50 | graphyx | of which I was completely oblivious |
| 18:18.01 | graphyx | Pirate boards and such. |
| 18:18.06 | graphyx | I just liked the games. |
| 18:18.12 | hagna | yeah I bet there were in SJ |
| 18:18.26 | ^Migs^ | I don't recall much of that here. There were phreaking tools and whatnot and of course warez. |
| 18:18.37 | ^Migs^ | but not entire boards dedicated to it, if that's what you're talking about |
| 18:19.18 | graphyx | Well there were the occasional file intermixed on the normal sites, but there were a number that were more devoted than others. |
| 18:19.45 | sjansen | Is it true that mutt can only handle one imap folder at a time? |
| 18:19.47 | graphyx | There were a few unique ones that I had a sense of community on. |
| 18:20.03 | graphyx | ~lart sjansen for changing the topic. |
| 18:20.03 | ibot | send killer squirrels to attack sjansen for changing the topic. |
| 18:20.56 | sjansen | ~crush graphyx |
| 18:20.59 | ibot | ACTION crushes graphyx with a full height scsi disk |
| 18:21.57 | hagna | atdt |
| 18:22.14 | hagna | ^Migs^: yeah I played that b4 |
| 18:22.57 | ^Migs^ | played what before? |
| 18:23.07 | hagna | ^Migs^: dink |
| 18:23.13 | ^Migs^ | ah cool |
| 18:23.14 | sjansen | Oh, how cheery. Looks like I should've backed up my ldap server before upgrading. |
| 18:27.48 | findlay | envy me |
| 18:30.03 | hagna | luckyh |
| 18:44.00 | ^Migs^ | oo, I have those too |
| 18:44.23 | ^Migs^ | uh, I thought I did |
| 18:44.27 | ^Migs^ | where'd they go??! |
| 18:47.10 | ^Migs^ | I think Bach's Kyrie Eleison is my absolute favorite |
| 18:47.16 | ^Migs^ | Not specifically organ, but it's awesome |
| 18:47.24 | ^Migs^ | my absolute favorite what, I'm not sure |
| 18:47.40 | ^Migs^ | I do at least have that here |
| 18:49.01 | findlay | which BWV? |
| 18:49.39 | findlay | it's a sacred movement commonly found int the Mass, although it can appear in other sacred works |
| 18:49.48 | findlay | usually the first movement |
| 18:52.10 | findlay | although I'm not officially a music knower. I doubt you'd find one of them on irc |
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| 18:56.13 | mrpull | has anyone been up AF canyon recently? |
| 18:56.28 | findlay | I went there last summer |
| 18:56.53 | mrpull | where recently is last several days |
| 18:57.25 | findlay | went['recently'] = 'last several days' |
| 19:01.06 | ^Migs^ | is VLC a decent streaming media server? |
| 19:02.38 | ^Migs^ | I installed Icecast and it works well enough, but I think I might want to leave room open for video |
| 19:12.07 | herlo | TimRiker: is your username on there TimRiker? |
| 19:19.59 | ^Migs^ | I like pandora better, but I don't know why |
| 19:21.55 | mrpull | ^migs^: there is an openpandora client that integrates with last.fm |
| 19:22.01 | mrpull | it's kinda a best of both worlds deal |
| 19:22.04 | ^Migs^ | oh sweet |
| 19:22.09 | ^Migs^ | wowomgwow |
| 19:22.34 | TimRiker | herlo: linked. :) yep. I'm http://www.linkedin.com/in/timriker |
| 19:23.04 | Tene | I still need to investigate linkedin. |
| 19:23.07 | herlo | TimRiker: I think it'd be awesome if we got all the people here on #utah and other local channels to join up and link to us... |
| 19:23.43 | herlo | ^Migs^: pandora? |
| 19:23.46 | macnewbold | anyone on linkedin is welcome to link me too - send the invite to mac at macnewbold dot com |
| 19:24.03 | ^Migs^ | www.pandora.com |
| 19:24.09 | herlo | TimRiker: you know sjansen? Me too |
| 19:24.23 | ^Migs^ | which email address do I use to invite you, Tim? |
| 19:24.29 | TimRiker | herlo: yeah, he's on your list, but not mine. |
| 19:24.34 | herlo | nice |
| 19:24.40 | TimRiker | ~timriker pager |
| 19:24.49 | TimRiker | hmm... |
| 19:24.51 | ^Migs^ | and what are we? Are we colleagues? Friends? Other? |
| 19:24.51 | TimRiker | ~timriker's pager |
| 19:24.53 | ibot | i guess timriker's pager is mailto:Tim@Rikers.org |
| 19:24.57 | herlo | ^Migs^: other |
| 19:25.08 | Jayce^ | hrm, herlo guess I'm not linked to you :) |
| 19:25.08 | ^Migs^ | we're not e-friends? |
| 19:25.11 | herlo | ^Migs^: I am thinking we are probably friends... |
| 19:25.24 | ^Migs^ | yeah, we're friends |
| 19:25.28 | TimRiker | well, we could start a "#Utah" "company" and all be silly titles there. |
| 19:25.28 | herlo | but I put other because I wasn't sure. They need another category like IRC-Buddies |
| 19:25.32 | herlo | or sometihg |
| 19:25.32 | Tene | ^Migs^: you're not *my* e-friend. |
| 19:25.37 | herlo | TimRiker: true that |
| 19:25.44 | levi | How about iFriends? |
| 19:25.44 | Jayce^ | TimRiker == Chief FooBar |
| 19:25.45 | ^Migs^ | Tene: You're my e-enemy |
| 19:25.51 | TimRiker | ~insult Tene |
| 19:26.02 | ^Migs^ | and emcnabb's my e-nemesis |
| 19:26.22 | herlo | TimRiker: we should make Utah Open Source |
| 19:26.24 | TimRiker | I add sllug.org and plug.org in my "groups" area so folks can at least search on those. |
| 19:26.25 | herlo | as a company |
| 19:26.36 | ^Migs^ | I don't know if I should advertise my profile because I'm afraid of what people in here would put on a "recommendation" |
| 19:26.43 | TimRiker | herlo: I think someone has that already listed. /me looks. |
| 19:26.49 | TimRiker | ^Migs^: hehe |
| 19:26.50 | herlo | TimRiker: I think its me |
| 19:27.20 | levi | Time to reboot to complete my Feisty upgrade... |
| 19:27.45 | ^Migs^ | I don't even know why I'm seeding Feisty. I'm not going to use it anytime soon. |
| 19:28.34 | TimRiker | ahh, i was thinking of Jesse Stay with "President, Founder at LDSOSS" |
| 19:32.19 | ^Migs^ | which is better for streaming? Icecast or VLC? |
| 19:34.03 | elg | does icecast do video? i dind't think it did |
| 19:34.18 | ^Migs^ | or no |
| 19:34.21 | ^Migs^ | just mp3s and ogg |
| 19:34.27 | ^Migs^ | but if I'm just looking at audio |
| 19:35.03 | ^Migs^ | it seems to me that vlc has a better web site, and therefore is a better is a better program |
| 19:35.08 | ^Migs^ | er |
| 19:35.14 | ^Migs^ | s/is a better is a better/is a better/ |
| 19:35.16 | Jayce^ | man, haven't played with linkedin in a while.. |
| 19:35.17 | ^Migs^ | gah |
| 19:38.15 | TimRiker | Jayce^: heh. neither had I. I got an invite from someone, and got pulled in again. :) Found like 20 more people I know on contacts email lists and colleague lists and sent out more invites. :) |
| 19:38.34 | macnewbold | facebook is similar in how it sucks you in |
| 19:38.47 | elg | ^Migs^: vlc is a good program, but I've never used it for streaming |
| 19:39.15 | elg | i'm not sure what kind of streaming protocols it uses - may or may not require extra client installation on the clients |
| 19:39.48 | ^Migs^ | it looks like it requires a ton of installation |
| 19:40.41 | elg | not sure if icecast works with the wimp or not, but it works with winamp and xmms |
| 19:40.46 | ^Migs^ | and I'm afraid it may require the server to install something, which is unacceptable |
| 19:40.57 | ^Migs^ | er |
| 19:41.01 | ^Migs^ | require the client to install something, I mean |
| 19:41.12 | elg | the client needs some media player |
| 19:41.31 | ^Migs^ | what I'm setting up needs to be web-based only |
| 19:41.33 | elg | and although wmp in various incarnations is out there, I think the state of windowsland is that there _is_ no standard player |
| 19:41.50 | ^Migs^ | All I want to do is have a streaming server for podcasting |
| 19:41.57 | ^Migs^ | vlc may be overkill or something |
| 19:42.04 | elg | ^Migs^: well you can say goodbye to the easy and elegant solutions then |
| 19:42.15 | elg | you're going to need some flash-based thing probably |
| 19:42.32 | elg | you're still confused. streaming isn't podcasting |
| 19:42.48 | elg | that's like needing a fishing pole so you can scuba dive |
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| 19:43.39 | elg | java or flash is the Wrong Thing™, if you ask me. If you go down that road you go alone :) |
| 19:43.48 | ^Migs^ | no, I realize that, although maybe I don't understand it entirely. Podcasting is the mechanism we want to use. But the files need to be streamed. |
| 19:43.58 | elg | nope |
| 19:44.31 | ^Migs^ | actually, the only need for streaming is for live audio |
| 19:44.44 | elg | you can have a podcast _and_ streaming, independently |
| 19:44.48 | ^Migs^ | we're already committed to Java. And I just happen to have Flash apps for both audio recording and playing, so I'm just going to use those |
| 19:45.05 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I understand. The podcast is just the RSS, right? |
| 19:45.08 | elg | well then why the questions about vlc and icecast? |
| 19:45.21 | elg | podcast is in the past. you can't podcast something that doesn't already exist |
| 19:45.22 | ^Migs^ | because I'm trying to figure out what I need to get live audio |
| 19:45.34 | ^Migs^ | okay, then I did misunderstand that |
| 19:45.38 | ^Migs^ | sort of |
| 19:45.51 | elg | podcast is like sending email. think of the audio files as attachments |
| 19:45.53 | ^Migs^ | actually, not really. I figured as much, but I thought there would be a way to get a live feed with podcast |
| 19:45.55 | ^Migs^ | okay, that makes sense |
| 19:45.58 | elg | you can't send a stream as an attachment |
| 19:46.03 | elg | you can send a link to the stream if you want |
| 19:46.40 | elg | but they couldn't download it to their ipod |
| 19:46.47 | elg | it would just keep downloading and downloading |
| 19:46.48 | ^Migs^ | okay, in that case, I want two capabilities. The ability for users to upload mp3 files (or create them with the Flash recorder), and then deliver them as podcasts. And the ability to set up live audio streams |
| 19:46.50 | elg | because it's a live stream |
| 19:47.01 | elg | right |
| 19:47.25 | ^Migs^ | k, now that that's out of the way, which is best for live audio streams? VLC or Icecast? I think Icecast requires ICES, too. |
| 19:47.38 | elg | ^Migs^: you just said you were commited to java |
| 19:47.41 | elg | or flash or something |
| 19:47.52 | ^Migs^ | the portal is in Java |
| 19:48.01 | ^Migs^ | but I can set up any other server I need to |
| 19:48.17 | elg | well I don't care what your portal or website is in :) It could be assembly |
| 19:48.42 | elg | my knowledge about what comes preinstalled on windows ends with w2k |
| 19:48.45 | ^Migs^ | an assembly portal would be fun |
| 19:49.03 | ^Migs^ | I'm on RH |
| 19:49.08 | elg | but I'm guessing a shoutcast-capable client is about as ubiquitous as you're gonna get with streaming |
| 19:49.13 | elg | that's icecast on the server |
| 19:49.28 | elg | might want to see http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=1359398 |
| 19:50.00 | elg | otoh, VLC has a client for windows and you could just say "requires this free download" and then you know everyone's using the same client |
| 19:50.10 | elg | and you don't have to mess with wmp |
| 19:50.18 | ^Migs^ | yeah, that might be a good idea |
| 19:50.23 | elg | vlc server might be able to create .asx or other wmp-friendly streams too |
| 19:50.32 | elg | i'm not sure, but I wouldn't doubt it |
| 19:51.40 | ^Migs^ | or just stick a Flash object on the portal to view the stream through |
| 19:51.58 | ^Migs^ | I can't trust my idiot users to even know how to open Windows Media Player |
| 19:52.39 | elg | i'm thinking vlc is your best bet. friendly to geeks, and if you make it stream something that $preinstalled can play |
| 19:52.53 | ^Migs^ | okay |
| 19:53.01 | ^Migs^ | I already have Icecast installed, but I'll put VLC on the same server and compare |
| 19:53.16 | elg | they don't have to, unless they somehow disabled the auto-open behavior in IE or whatever |
| 19:53.26 | elg | plus vlc will do video if you go there |
| 19:53.31 | ^Migs^ | ok |
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| 19:56.33 | ^Migs^ | I think we should connect to the Internet via telepathy |
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| 20:00.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Perhaps one day we will |
| 20:00.55 | Lone_Wanderer | If we can get the BrainGate technology working well enough. |
| 20:01.11 | Tene | I'd just like to comment here that I never ever want to share thoughts with migs. |
| 20:01.29 | Lone_Wanderer | That's what a firewall is for. |
| 20:01.52 | ^Migs^ | would the firewall be installed with little nanochips in your brain? |
| 20:10.47 | ^Migs^ | even though I'm using FF, for some reason by the end of the day I always seem to have two instances of it open, each with its own number of tabs |
| 20:20.33 | Tene | Lone_Wanderer: I wouldn't feel safe unless I knew that the firewall was installed in *his* brain, keeping the thoughts *in* |
| 20:21.25 | ^Migs^ | my brain has too many security leaks for a firewall to be effective |
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| 20:33.15 | Lone_Wanderer | We could just put you in a Faraday cage. |
| 20:33.15 | Lone_Wanderer | That would make an interesting sci fi story. |
| 20:37.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Crazy people get put in their own brain pool, like a prison, but the lines are really broadly drawn, so people that are only marginally disturbed get thrown in with complete lunatics |
| 20:37.18 | levi | Beryl has waaaaay too many options. |
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| 20:38.21 | Lone_Wanderer | and it's not monitored or controlled in any way, so anyone who gets thrown in with the crazies eventually cracks, re-enforcing the right-wing's view that anyone who shows patterns of mental illness will eventually go insane |
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| 20:45.17 | ^Migs^ | hahaha http://www.fukung.net/v/1200/omfgDSCN9391.jpg |
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| 20:49.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Ermm. |
| 20:49.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Apparently that site contains NSFW images. |
| 20:49.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Not just mildly nsfw either. |
| 20:50.29 | ^Migs^ | really? Wonder why it's not blocked here |
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| 20:50.49 | ^Migs^ | I haven't seen any |
| 20:53.33 | maquis | question: how would threads be useful in 2-human-player chess game? |
| 20:54.07 | Tene | maquis: I'm not sure I understand the question. |
| 20:54.29 | Tene | Oh, in a 2-human-player software chess game? |
| 20:58.00 | elg | levi: it has too many options because it _is_ one big option |
| 20:58.53 | Tene | maquis: they could be used to provide helpful assistance in suggesting Good Moves and Bad Moves. |
| 21:03.07 | levi | elg: After nearly an hour of searching, I finally found the option I needed to turn off. |
| 21:03.27 | Tene | levi: what was the option you needed to turn off? |
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| 21:08.26 | ^Migs^ | this is the longest Friday ever |
| 21:16.21 | mrpull | Just by using it, you are helping the Communist virus of the GPL to |
| 21:16.21 | mrpull | spread across the land. |
| 21:16.46 | mrpull | does that sound 100% positive? |
| 21:22.50 | ^Migs^ | 7 minutes left |
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| 21:28.40 | ^Migs^ | bye everyone |
| 21:59.27 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
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| 22:00.00 | elg | harleypig: twinview and xinerama compete |
| 22:00.13 | elg | as in, they do the same thing - so you don't want both, to my knowledge |
| 22:00.22 | elg | xinerama is general, twinview is nvidia |
| 22:00.43 | harleypig | Oh. Now you tell me. :] |
| 22:00.45 | elg | however, I think they might both support the same (xinerama) protocol and it's the window manager and clients (like mplayer) that you want to be xinerama-aware |
| 22:00.51 | elg | so xinerama is still the magic word |
| 22:01.25 | harleypig | So, in gentoo, I want to not use xinerama in xorg, but with kde and so on? |
| 22:01.41 | elg | right |
| 22:01.58 | elg | it's been a while since I ran dual monitors, but that's my recollection |
| 22:02.14 | Tene | oh, sorry, I missed that you were usign twinview |
| 22:02.17 | harleypig | Actually, I don't remember xorg being on the list of apps to re-emerge ... |
| 22:02.28 | harleypig | Tene: s'cool :> |
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| 22:03.00 | Lone_Wanderer | mrpull: Everyone knows that linux is a communist virus that infects your computer and uses it to spread Reddist messages to your loyal citzen neighbors. |
| 22:03.32 | harleypig | Reddist? |
| 22:03.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes. Communist. Red. |
| 22:03.57 | harleypig | elg: Yeah, the only x11 anything on the emerge list are themes. |
| 22:04.05 | harleypig | Lone_Wanderer: Ah. |
| 22:04.22 | harleypig | :q |
| 22:04.25 | harleypig | woops |
| 22:04.33 | harleypig | Good thing that wasn't a password. |
| 22:04.46 | maquis | harleypig: or was it... |
| 22:04.48 | findlay | that is my password |
| 22:05.01 | findlay | I mean, used to be |
| 22:05.02 | harleypig | My password 12345 |
| 22:10.22 | Keighvin | Wow, that's the same combination as my luggage. |
| 22:11.31 | findlay | Tene: your password didn't show up as ******** |
| 22:12.44 | Keighvin | That's because it has more letters than that. It shows up as "***************" |
| 22:13.26 | findlay | someday I'll use unicode and control characters in py my PWs |
| 22:14.03 | Keighvin | I used to use ALT+0158 on PCs, since the extended character formed my initials. |
| 22:14.42 | Keighvin | The best part was that if I used it in naming folders (legal) via DOS, they couldn't be accessed in Windows because it attempted to translate them to a simple "P" character. |
| 22:15.14 | Keighvin | That might still be the case, I don't know - it's been so longe since working with Windows regularly. |
| 22:20.50 | Keighvin | Thus ends another uninteresting anecdote. |
| 22:22.47 | harleypig | *yawn* ... Uh ... sorry ... were you still talking? |
| 22:22.59 | Keighvin | Not to YOU. |
| 22:23.18 | Keighvin | Speaking of which, are you interested at all in attending the B2B Expo next Wed-Thurs.? |
| 22:23.35 | Lone_Wanderer | What's the B2B Expo? |
| 22:23.49 | harleypig | I am ... I've got an appointment with Karl at 9am Thursday. |
| 22:23.54 | harleypig | How much does it cost. |
| 22:23.59 | harleypig | Better, do you have a url? |
| 22:24.04 | Keighvin | Free to attend. |
| 22:24.08 | harleypig | Nice. |
| 22:24.16 | Keighvin | They say "your business card at the door" but I'm guessing you can slip in without one. |
| 22:24.24 | harleypig | I finally got mine. |
| 22:24.30 | findlay | best, is there free food? :) |
| 22:24.36 | Keighvin | I'm planning on cutting out a piece of copy paper the right size and writing on it in pencil to see if they accept that. |
| 22:24.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Karl Rove? |
| 22:24.40 | Keighvin | There most certainly is. :) |
| 22:24.47 | Keighvin | Swensen. |
| 22:25.15 | Lone_Wanderer | So where is it? And when? And is it just a chance to mingle with people and pitch your business, or what? |
| 22:25.41 | Keighvin | It's business getting together and pitching to each other. |
| 22:25.48 | Keighvin | It's also a phenomenal networking opportunity. |
| 22:25.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Is it strictly tech businesses? |
| 22:25.58 | Keighvin | Nope. |
| 22:26.00 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 22:26.16 | harleypig | OMG. I just noticed on my business card ... I have CSV Administration. |
| 22:26.18 | harleypig | Damnit. |
| 22:26.19 | Lone_Wanderer | In that case, I'd like more info if you've got it, or a link. |
| 22:26.28 | harleypig | link |
| 22:26.31 | harleypig | link |
| 22:26.34 | Lone_Wanderer | You can administer CSV files? |
| 22:26.41 | harleypig | Apparently. |
| 22:26.41 | Lone_Wanderer | That takes serious skillz, d00d. |
| 22:26.44 | Keighvin | http://www.saltlakechamber.org/events/expo/ |
| 22:26.46 | brac | [Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce :: Business to Business Expo] |
| 22:26.52 | harleypig | Thanks. |
| 22:26.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Thanks. |
| 22:26.57 | Keighvin | n/p |
| 22:27.01 | Keighvin | Just took me a moment to dig it up |
| 22:27.12 | harleypig | Why? Did you kill it? |
| 22:27.30 | Keighvin | No - I don't bury my dead. |
| 22:27.33 | Keighvin | It was just obscured. |
| 22:27.40 | Lone_Wanderer | I obscure my dead. |
| 22:27.42 | harleypig | Obfuscated? |
| 22:27.46 | findlay | unearthed |
| 22:27.51 | Keighvin | Perl! |
| 22:27.53 | harleypig | Do you grind them up? |
| 22:28.09 | Keighvin | No - leaves too many suspect traces that can be uncovered later. |
| 22:28.15 | Tene | harleypig: no, I think it was elg that likes to bake bread. |
| 22:28.20 | Keighvin | I prefer an acid bath and an open storm drain. |
| 22:28.31 | harleypig | Speaking of which ... anyone know of a C/C++/Java bootcamp type training available? |
| 22:28.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Where can you get that much acid? |
| 22:28.55 | Lone_Wanderer | 'cause I've got some bodies I need to dispose of. |
| 22:28.56 | Tene | harleypig: I think they have that at guantanamo bay... |
| 22:29.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Or rather, I'm expecting an influx of bodies soon. |
| 22:29.22 | harleypig | They're teaching the terrorists how to program? |
| 22:29.50 | Tene | harleypig: I was trying to imply that a C/C++/Java bootcamp would be unpleasant enough to count as torture. |
| 22:30.00 | Lone_Wanderer | I can just see them screaming at them, between waterboarding |
| 22:30.00 | Keighvin | Lone_Wanderer: Do you have any say on the method by which these bodies are rendered lifeless? |
| 22:30.01 | harleypig | exactly |
| 22:30.04 | Lone_Wanderer | WHERE IS YOUR MEMORY LEAK? |
| 22:30.05 | Keighvin | Beause if you do, there are some wonderful shortcuts you can take. |
| 22:30.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Keighvin: Ick, I don't think I want to know what they are. |
| 22:30.24 | Keighvin | Suit yourself. |
| 22:30.26 | harleypig | Lone_Wanderer: And are you going to record it and post it on Al-Jira? |
| 22:30.31 | Supaplex | yea, that's what comingling php, vbscript, bash and perl all at once are for. |
| 22:30.36 | findlay | SELECT WHERE MEMORY LEAK AND PLUG it; |
| 22:30.50 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 22:31.04 | Lone_Wanderer | I used to like having morbid conversations about how to kill people effectively |
| 22:31.17 | Lone_Wanderer | but that changed at some point |
| 22:31.23 | Keighvin | There are some wonderful bash.org snippets about that very topic. |
| 22:31.23 | harleypig | Tene: I'm looking for a quick training in *any* of those languages, not necessarily *all* of them. |
| 22:31.42 | Lone_Wanderer | I signed up for martial arts to deal with job-related stress and over time I've become a pacifist as a result. |
| 22:31.45 | Keighvin | It's a shame, because of you go the JNDI route you can get all of them for free. |
| 22:32.09 | harleypig | The Djinn route? |
| 22:33.30 | harleypig | Heh. Notice on the B2B Expo site: (You must be 18 to attend. No infant strollers please) |
| 22:33.58 | Lone_Wanderer | But what if I'm selling babies? |
| 22:34.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Then I have a nice friend at the DCFS who would like to talk to you :) |
| 22:34.15 | harleypig | You'd have to bring them in crated. |
| 22:34.38 | Lone_Wanderer | DCFS? Division of Child and Family Services? |
| 22:34.42 | harleypig | DCFS would sell them to the highest bidder ... you don't want to go that route. |
| 22:34.45 | Lone_Wanderer | My sister always talks about Child Protection. |
| 22:35.23 | Lone_Wanderer | "Xander get back inside! Someone's gonna call child protection on me!" |
| 22:35.27 | Lone_Wanderer | (Xander being her kind of son.) |
| 22:35.40 | harleypig | Xander? From Buffy? |
| 22:36.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Actually, I think that is in fact where they got the name from. |
| 22:36.40 | harleypig | Poor kid. |
| 22:36.51 | harleypig | Now *that* is a reason to call DCFS. |
| 22:41.43 | *** join/#utah vientoS (i=v@ip72-223-50-226.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 22:46.24 | *** join/#utah nick125_lappy (n=nick@atarack/staff/nick125) |
| 22:47.12 | nick125_lappy | This is funny |
| 22:47.21 | findlay | ~laugh |
| 22:47.23 | ibot | ACTION rolls around on the floor laughing |
| 22:47.45 | nick125_lappy | My friend is trying to use a standard USB HID device on Vista, and it needs a driver. He also tried to use a SD card in his built-in SD card reader. |
| 22:48.14 | Tene | o.O |
| 22:48.14 | Supaplex | ~lart vista's hardware support |
| 22:48.14 | ibot | whacks vista's hardware support with a giant beaver's tail |
| 22:48.36 | findlay | he must have an inferior SD card |
| 22:48.43 | findlay | Vista is the new standard |
| 22:48.52 | harleypig | He's definitely got an inferior os. |
| 22:48.53 | findlay | everything else is just dross |
| 22:48.54 | nick125_lappy | I plug it into my box and it's automagically detected and it's ready to mount |
| 22:50.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Well your box is clearly out of date, or is harboring malware that makes it accept unauthorized hardware. |
| 22:50.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Most likely the latter. You aren't attempting to view copyrighted material on your computer are you? |
| 22:51.03 | findlay | nick125_lappy: vista is the OS of the future. Your old school Linux b0x is going to be made illegal because only commies and terrorists use Linux now |
| 22:51.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Maybe writing divisive, un-American letters on it? |
| 22:52.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Quick, someone pass a law! We need a Safe Computing Act stat! You, you and you - think of the children while the rest of us run around in circles screaming! |
| 22:52.34 | findlay | I'm sure a presidential decree will do |
| 22:52.41 | Lone_Wanderer | What's the difference? |
| 22:52.53 | Lone_Wanderer | There isn't one, man. |
| 22:53.09 | Lone_Wanderer | The President's word is law. It doesn't matter how many other laws he violates or contradicts. |
| 22:53.47 | findlay | President Bush will decree that all Linuxes will have to be deported to southern Nevada to be buried 500 m below the surface and then a Northrop B2 will drop an H bomb on them and then we will declare victory! |
| 22:54.16 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ this conversation so far |
| 22:54.24 | ScytheBlade1 | That's pretty good |
| 22:54.56 | nick125_lappy | findlay: right.. |
| 22:55.06 | findlay | without their OS the commies and terrorists and general criminals will scatter and we will destroy them! |
| 22:55.17 | nick125_lappy | It took me 2 minutes to install the printer on my linux box |
| 22:55.37 | nick125_lappy | My friend tried for about 20 minutes |
| 22:55.39 | Lone_Wanderer | He should just declare war on Linux, and then outline the members of the Axis of Open Evil - Linux, RMS, and ERS. |
| 22:55.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Linus* |
| 22:56.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Linus and RMS will respond intelligently. ERS will be thrilled that someone remembered him. |
| 22:56.48 | Lone_Wanderer | And by ERS I of course mean ESR. |
| 22:57.00 | ScytheBlade1 | You had me wondering.. |
| 22:57.12 | Lone_Wanderer | It's late, both in the day and in the week. |
| 22:57.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Somewhat related: http://xkcd.com/c225.html |
| 22:57.37 | brac | [xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe] |
| 22:57.48 | ScytheBlade1 | And then this: http://blag.xkcd.com/2007/04/19/life-imitates-xkcd-part-ii-richard-stallman/ |
| 22:57.50 | brac | [xkcd » Blog Archive » Life Imitates xkcd, Part II: Richard Stallman] |
| 22:57.52 | Lone_Wanderer | I love that one. |
| 22:57.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Now read that post |
| 22:58.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Aye. |
| 22:59.34 | Lone_Wanderer | So who's Cory Doctorow, and did he wear a cape and goggles and go up in a balloon before or after the comic? |
| 23:00.05 | ScytheBlade1 | After |
| 23:00.27 | Lone_Wanderer | nowai |
| 23:00.29 | Lone_Wanderer | that's awesome |
| 23:01.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Read the comments |
| 23:01.53 | Lone_Wanderer | This one guy has a great idea |
| 23:02.06 | Lone_Wanderer | we should do dating matches based on which comics people found amusing |
| 23:02.27 | ScytheBlade1 | wow |
| 23:02.36 | Lone_Wanderer | The same guy who said "I found your translated George Washington address before I found the comic, as I recall it was linked on Fark.com, and I’ve had the compulsion to spread it around like the sweet jelly of liberty on the stale, crusty toast of my fellow citizens." |
| 23:02.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not sure if that's amazingly smart or just flat-out scary |
| 23:02.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Imagine the penny-arcade crowd |
| 23:03.10 | Lone_Wanderer | I think it's a great idea. |
| 23:03.43 | rsimpkins | Lone_Wanderer: until the system starts matching you with dudes named 'bubba.' Then we'll see how great it is. |
| 23:05.35 | harleypig | Or HarleyPig |
| 23:06.06 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm totally going to be "a blogger" next Halloween. |
| 23:06.31 | Lone_Wanderer | I'll strap a small laptop around my waist and wear a red cape and goggles and frantically type everything that's happening to me. |
| 23:06.37 | Lone_Wanderer | With an "I'm blogging this" t-shirt. |
| 23:07.57 | findlay | a good blogger will walk around all day with a digital recording device that runs linux and does text2speech on the fly |
| 23:08.16 | Keighvin | How did you know I do that? |
| 23:08.22 | Lone_Wanderer | I'll just get a tiny mic and pretend that that's what it is. |
| 23:08.38 | findlay | how did I know you were a good blogger? |
| 23:10.05 | Tene | Lone_Wanderer: that's a very clever idea. |
| 23:11.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Woah. |
| 23:11.21 | Lone_Wanderer | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070409/od_nm/britain_text_dc_1 - straight out of another xkcd strip. |
| 23:12.00 | rsimpkins | Lone_Wanderer: I'm convinced that dude is actually a stalker. |
| 23:14.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Stand back! I'm going to try SCIENCE. |
| 23:17.06 | Keighvin | Lone_Wanderer: http://www.xkcd.com/c242.html |
| 23:17.07 | brac | [xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe] |
| 23:17.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Aye, I love that one. |
| 23:18.15 | Lone_Wanderer | And the addition, "what a career academic does" - puts his student in front of the lever and says "It's good experience." |
| 23:19.34 | Tene | http://duxlist.com:81/ |
| 23:22.12 | Lone_Wanderer | wow, I really like this song |
| 23:26.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Is there any way to see which is which? |
| 23:27.20 | Tene | Lone_Wanderer: try tunning 'file' on them and see if it can tell the difference. |
| 23:27.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Eh. I don't really care. |
| 23:27.51 | Lone_Wanderer | I just thought maybe if I knew what to listen for, I might be able to tell. |
| 23:27.52 | levi | Where's atoponce? :) |
| 23:28.08 | Lone_Wanderer | But I've listened to a few of them and I don't think it's possible. |
| 23:28.30 | Tene | Lone_Wanderer: I know a few people who are able to successfully distinguish them. |
| 23:28.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Consistently? |
| 23:28.47 | Tene | Lone_Wanderer: yes. |
| 23:29.15 | Lone_Wanderer | How? Just by having a very good ear for music, are there artifacts you can listen for? |
| 23:29.25 | Tene | Both. |
| 23:29.39 | Lone_Wanderer | With mp3's the high end tends to get distorted, so you can pay attention to the cymbals and if they get muddy, you can tell. |
| 23:29.44 | Lone_Wanderer | So what are the artifacts? :p |
| 23:29.55 | Lone_Wanderer | or are there* |
| 23:30.25 | levi | Well, the statistics show that, clearly, most people can't reliably tell the difference. |
| 23:30.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, it's 50/50 |
| 23:43.54 | elg | umm, if it's compressed with a lossles encoder then it's just plain the same bits |
| 23:44.04 | Lone_Wanderer | What does Er ist der Grund, den wir nach Deutschland übersiedelten mean? |
| 23:44.08 | elg | of course you can't tell the difference |
| 23:45.35 | elg | atoponce: hey you still want to do that experiment? |
| 23:47.37 | elg | ~help translate |
| 23:50.46 | elg | ~x de en er ist der grund, den wir nach deutschland übersiedelten |
| 23:54.12 | Lone_Wanderer | bye for the weekend, have fun |
| 23:55.41 | nick125_lappy | http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Vermont_pushes_bid_to_impeach_Bush_04202007.html \o/ |
| 23:55.42 | brac | [The Raw Story | Vermont pushes bid to impeach Bush] |
| 23:56.38 | nick125_lappy | Haha, my friend held down the power button on his laptop to turn it off, now windows won't boot |
