| 00:04.31 | Supaplex | what's this about a bomb threat at provo high? |
| 00:27.21 | vontrapp | -flog elg |
| 00:27.35 | vontrapp | ~flog elg |
| 00:27.37 | ibot | ACTION grabs a large padded bat and starts beating elg |
| 00:28.14 | vontrapp | ack! |
| 00:45.53 | elg | Supaplex: are you saying Jayce^ made a bomb threat at provo high? |
| 00:47.20 | Supaplex | I have no clue who. |
| 00:47.37 | elg | but you don't deny it could have been Jayce^? |
| 00:47.57 | elg | and is it true that you can't rule out emcnabb as Jayce^s accomplice? |
| 00:51.08 | atoponce | anyone familiar with the ins and outs of 501(c)(3) status? |
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| 01:22.10 | levi_home | If I'd known when I started my undergrad education what I wanted to do, and had the discipline to pull it off back then, I'd have done CS with a minor in math or at least taken several math classes of the sort that would help with CS. |
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| 01:54.20 | graphyx | anyone have a set of dns records setup to test for dns posioning? |
| 01:55.23 | jsmith | graphyx: No, but since I'm in your old stomping grounds in San Jose, is there anything you need? |
| 01:55.33 | graphyx | You there right now? |
| 01:55.49 | graphyx | You could say hi to my parents if you were incredibly bored. |
| 01:56.42 | jsmith | Yes, I'm about three blocks from the airport |
| 01:56.43 | graphyx | cool |
| 01:56.43 | jsmith | Headed down to your old neighborhood on Friday to eat sushi |
| 01:56.43 | graphyx | well that area isn't all that exciting |
| 01:56.43 | jsmith | Nope. |
| 01:56.54 | graphyx | So you ran down to close to where 101 meats 85 then? |
| 01:56.57 | jsmith | What's that really good hot dog place over by where you used to live |
| 01:57.10 | graphyx | I am afraid I don't know |
| 01:57.19 | graphyx | I lived way south there |
| 01:57.28 | graphyx | I can't recall any hot dog stand |
| 01:57.42 | graphyx | but I would suggest that anyone stop by togos for lunch |
| 01:58.07 | graphyx | one of the better sandwitch shops around nowm |
| 01:58.11 | jsmith | Yeah... Monterrey Hwy |
| 01:58.11 | graphyx | fresh choice is a vice place too |
| 01:59.09 | graphyx | s/vice/nice/ |
| 02:00.01 | jsmith | graphyx: The hot dog place was over just off of Santa Teresa |
| 02:00.01 | graphyx | Ok |
| 02:00.20 | graphyx | its been so long since I actually lived there |
| 02:00.20 | graphyx | a decade now. |
| 02:06.27 | jsmith | elg: Hey! |
| 02:06.30 | jsmith | elg: That's not nice |
| 02:09.23 | graphyx | i think you mean do you know the way to san jose. |
| 02:11.25 | elg | yeah, that's the one |
| 02:17.42 | graphyx | And to think that I was the one who actually had to answer that question. |
| 02:17.57 | graphyx | nowdays you can just say hop a plane. |
| 02:20.45 | elg | is it hard to find by road or something? |
| 02:31.42 | graphyx | no |
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| 03:47.42 | vontrapp | what's the package for c man pagesL |
| 03:47.46 | vontrapp | ? |
| 03:57.56 | pmcnabb | vontrapp: which distro? |
| 03:58.16 | vontrapp | ubuntu |
| 03:58.33 | pmcnabb | and which man pages? |
| 03:58.41 | vontrapp | stdlib |
| 03:59.35 | vontrapp | like strcmp, mmap, malloc and the like |
| 04:03.46 | vontrapp | by the way, that's a good one to install on the new ubuntu cs machines |
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| 04:06.28 | vontrapp | yay! manpage goodness |
| 04:06.42 | vontrapp | (yes, it took that long to dl) |
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| 04:14.07 | levi_home | It's amazing how often the theme from Requiem for a Dream shows up in TV and movies now. |
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| 04:20.10 | levi_home | This looks like it will be a very cool program when it supports something other than PubMed. |
| 04:20.13 | levi_home | http://mekentosj.com/papers/ |
| 04:20.39 | brac | [mekentosj.com | Introducing Papers... Your personal library of science] |
| 04:21.08 | vontrapp | is that that really cool song that's in The Killing Fields? |
| 04:23.51 | levi_home | It was in the trailer for The Two Towers (I think) and it plays in the teaser for the coming week's Lost episode. |
| 04:25.41 | Sargun | ~seen bonez39 |
| 04:26.15 | ibot | bonez39 <n=bonez@c-71-195-250-0.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 7h 30m 27s ago, saying: 'levi, I have port 22 forwarded....to my machine, which has a static IP ON THAT machine. '. |
| 04:26.27 | levi_home | There's apparently a track in the soundtrack to The Killing Fields called Requiem for a City. |
| 04:26.52 | levi_home | Done by Mike Oldfield. |
| 04:27.08 | levi_home | Who did the experimental album Tubular Bells. |
| 04:28.35 | vontrapp | the one in Killing Fields i'm thinking of was Nessun Dorma (from puccini's turandot) |
| 04:28.47 | vontrapp | not sure if it goes by other names |
| 04:29.41 | vontrapp | it's one that i noticed recently in movie stuff, and sounds like a requiem |
| 04:31.06 | levi_home | The soundtrack to Requiem for a Dream was composed by Clint Mansell and played by the Kronos Quartet |
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| 04:33.57 | vontrapp | the one i have is on the amici forever album |
| 04:33.57 | vontrapp | excellent album |
| 04:33.57 | vontrapp | if you like italian opera stuff |
| 04:33.57 | levi_home | Mansell was a member of the band Pop Will Eat Itself, which was an interesting band. |
| 04:34.44 | levi_home | I should check out his soundtrack for The Fountain, too. |
| 04:35.52 | levi_home | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI_oWrseTKk |
| 04:36.09 | levi_home | That's the version that was re-orchestrated for The Two Towers trailer. |
| 04:39.37 | levi_home | Ignore the silly Atlas Shrugged picture; it has nothing to do with the music. |
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| 04:44.27 | levi_home | vontrapp: You should listen to that, if you haven't. |
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| 05:42.52 | Keighvin | Howdy. |
| 05:43.22 | levi_home | Good evening. |
| 05:45.05 | Keighvin | Well, that was short lived. |
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| 05:45.15 | Keighvin | Or not. |
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| 06:31.37 | Sargun | Digg: http://digg.com/tech_news/Welcome_to_Opensville_Population_Zero please. |
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| 12:48.15 | graphyx | Sargun: And with that posting it looks like you have announced your 7 shill accounts of digg. |
| 12:51.28 | calvarez | "OMG UBUNTU FEISTY IS OUT", |
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| 12:51.57 | calvarez | "OMG UBUNTU FEISTY IS OUT", is what I'll say when it is out |
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| 13:54.44 | ^Migs^ | my wife and I sent a letter to my mom-in-law. My wife sent one last year that attempted to effectively cut her out of our lives, but it didn't work, because it was too apologetic and stuff, so we wrote one that was more forthcoming yet polite and sent it on Tuesday. |
| 13:55.14 | ^Migs^ | Problem is, her dad intercepted it, and responded with "I read your stupid letter and it's SOOOO bad. I'm never going to tell your mother you sent it." Then he went on to say crap like "too bad you're wasting your time trying to kill yourself." Yeah, great idea, saying that to someone who's been suicidal, as if she can just snap out of it! |
| 13:55.59 | ^Migs^ | And now, in the meantime, we have to continue getting a barrage of harassing phone calls from her mother, e.g., "I'm losing weight really fast and I might be dead soon and I hope it doesn't take my death to bring the family together." Manipulative drivel like that. |
| 13:57.01 | ^Migs^ | we might just have to block their phone number, then set up my wife's email so it autoresponds with the new letter she wrote, when my mom-in-law next tries to email her. |
| 13:57.58 | ^Migs^ | although I'm not sure if that defeats the purpose of trying to detach ourselves. If we were truly detached, we'd state our conditions, like we did in this letter, and not care about what they decide to do with the information. |
| 14:01.23 | elg | ^Migs^: i think the autorespond is a fine idea |
| 14:01.42 | elg | and once it's been sent, bitbucket them |
| 14:01.42 | elg | /dev/null |
| 14:01.52 | elg | and block the phone number. I don't see how that is anything but detachment |
| 14:02.19 | ^Migs^ | what's bitbucket? |
| 14:02.20 | ^Migs^ | oh, okay |
| 14:02.34 | elg | ~jargon bitbucket |
| 14:02.50 | ^Migs^ | yeah, blocking the phone number is the next step. That's what would force her to email (since she's too lazy to drive over here) |
| 14:03.33 | elg | if you could set it up to not ring your phone, but it keeps ringing on her end... |
| 14:03.47 | elg | that would fool her for a little while |
| 14:04.41 | ^Migs^ | well, except she wouldn't get an answering machine |
| 14:04.44 | elg | or you could record the letter and have it played back automatically when she calls |
| 14:04.49 | ^Migs^ | I have no need to fool her |
| 14:04.56 | ^Migs^ | oh that would work, too |
| 14:05.00 | elg | all of this you could do with asterisk |
| 14:05.35 | ^Migs^ | I didn't know you could do that. That's cool. |
| 14:05.46 | elg | you could even forward her call to the police :) |
| 14:06.13 | ^Migs^ | we really should start archiving these. |
| 14:06.18 | ^Migs^ | in case we ever need to present them in court |
| 14:06.20 | elg | you could do that too |
| 14:06.57 | ^Migs^ | some of the messages my mom-in-law leaves (sometimes she even makes my grandma-in-law leave messages with mom-in-law coaching her what to say in the background) are really awful |
| 14:07.27 | ^Migs^ | the worst was "I'm going to just get the gun out of your old hope chest, wrap my head in a towel, and kill myself" |
| 14:08.31 | ^Migs^ | I'm not scared of her dad, but I'm starting to think that maybe I should be |
| 14:08.47 | ^Migs^ | he's pretty unpredictable |
| 14:09.17 | graphyx | ^Migs^: Are you renting? |
| 14:09.50 | ^Migs^ | I don't care if he tries to get in a fistfight with me or something. He's bigger than me, but I think it'd be about a 40-60 match. He might just do the cowardly thing and try to shoot me, though. |
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| 14:10.19 | calvarez | ^Migs^, you could try to get a restraining order |
| 14:10.30 | calvarez | and yea, definetely log all of these incidents |
| 14:10.34 | ^Migs^ | and no, I'm not renting |
| 14:10.36 | calvarez | with timestamps |
| 14:10.42 | ^Migs^ | my parents have been logging the phone calls my mom-in-law has sent to them, at least |
| 14:11.38 | ^Migs^ | she used to hit them up for money all the time |
| 14:11.44 | ^Migs^ | real family of champs |
| 14:11.47 | calvarez | my parents had a problem with a couple in my ward |
| 14:11.59 | calvarez | not to the extent of the problems with your in-laws |
| 14:12.10 | calvarez | but they were my dad's home teachees |
| 14:12.22 | calvarez | and they had so many freakin' problems |
| 14:12.31 | calvarez | cheating on each other, suicidal threatsm etc |
| 14:12.49 | calvarez | and they would come to my house and stayed talking about their crap until 3AM |
| 14:13.19 | calvarez | and if you wouldn't let them in, they would play-blame you, saying that if they don't talk to someone right away they would go back home and commit suicide |
| 14:13.37 | calvarez | my mom had to tell them that well, there is the point in which whatever they do is their own business |
| 14:13.45 | calvarez | and kicked them out |
| 14:14.02 | calvarez | and also that slut would try to come onto my dad |
| 14:14.31 | ^Migs^ | wow |
| 14:14.36 | ^Migs^ | omg |
| 14:14.46 | ^Migs^ | I just read about that in a book our counselor gave us "I Hate You, Don't Leave Me" |
| 14:14.47 | calvarez | of course my dad told her off, and told my mom as well |
| 14:15.36 | ^Migs^ | except it was slightly different, it gave an instance about a wife who told her husband "I'm going to commit suicide, and don't try to stop me." If the husband stops her or tries to tell someone, he'll be blamed for being untrustworthy. If he doesn't, he'll be uncaring. |
| 14:15.44 | ^Migs^ | it's a mechanism for pawning off self-responsibility |
| 14:15.56 | calvarez | yea |
| 14:16.19 | calvarez | (OT: Fesity Fawn!! http://194.171.106.16/ubuntu-iso/7.04/) |
| 14:16.25 | calvarez | Feisty* |
| 14:16.59 | ^Migs^ | that's prety messed up thoguh, calvarez |
| 14:17.03 | calvarez | yea |
| 14:17.29 | ^Migs^ | see, if all these losers just kept to themselves, there probably wouldn't be a problem. But they try to drag everyon else into their crap. |
| 14:17.32 | calvarez | but we kicked them out, talked to the bishop about switching home teaching assignment, and eventually we ended up moving out |
| 14:17.37 | ^Migs^ | wow |
| 14:17.42 | calvarez | not because of them |
| 14:18.28 | ^Migs^ | we've briefly considered moving because of my in-laws, but I don't feel like I should have to move anywhere. THEY should be the ones who have to move. If they're not going to behave, I know plenty of stuff that would put them both in prison. Problem solved. |
| 14:18.53 | calvarez | yea man |
| 14:19.03 | calvarez | seriously, consider a restraining order |
| 14:19.25 | calvarez | tell them to go to /dev/null |
| 14:19.38 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 14:20.52 | ^Migs^ | did this couple your parents home taught ever get REAL counseling, or did they just unload all their problems on your parents? |
| 14:22.24 | calvarez | I think on my parents only |
| 14:22.28 | calvarez | and maybe the bishop |
| 14:22.31 | calvarez | I dunno |
| 14:22.35 | calvarez | I really disliked them |
| 14:23.38 | ^Migs^ | yeah, they sound like real champs |
| 14:25.54 | ^Migs^ | did they have any kids? |
| 14:27.54 | calvarez | YES |
| 14:27.57 | calvarez | sorry for caps |
| 14:28.03 | calvarez | they had a little girl |
| 14:28.11 | calvarez | my mom babysit her for a while |
| 14:28.24 | calvarez | but when things got ugly she told her mom she couldn't have her anymore |
| 14:28.44 | calvarez | she was annoying, but I cannot blame her with the screw-up parents she had |
| 14:29.02 | ^Migs^ | now that REALLY pisses me off when parents like that have kids that are only going to suffer |
| 14:29.07 | calvarez | I know |
| 14:29.28 | ^Migs^ | spouses can do whatever they want for all I care, until kids are involved |
| 14:29.29 | calvarez | OT: it's official, Ubuntu Feisty Fawn is out! |
| 14:29.44 | ^Migs^ | oh nice |
| 14:30.54 | ^Migs^ | did DCS get involved? |
| 14:31.57 | ^Migs^ | I'm surprised DCS didn't get involved with us when my wife was on the drugs |
| 14:32.12 | graphyx | be very glad. |
| 14:33.04 | ^Migs^ | we went to a marriage counselor last night, and I thought it went very, very well. I wouldn't say, that as a husband and wife we're having marriage problems per se, but we just wanted to find better ways to communicate with each other. |
| 14:33.26 | ^Migs^ | And I also found out some things that my wife didn't tell me or at least didn't tell me clearly when she used to be on the drugs, like how she neglected the children when I was away at work. |
| 14:35.39 | ^Migs^ | it was rather painful to relive those days |
| 14:45.17 | calvarez | we need more DVD torrent seeders! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/release/ubuntu-7.04-dvd-i386.iso.torrent http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/release/ubuntu-7.04-dvd-amd64.iso.torrent |
| 14:45.43 | ^Migs^ | I'll seed, hang on |
| 14:45.52 | ^Migs^ | well, leech, then seed |
| 14:48.19 | graphyx | ^Migs^: I am glad to hear that you guys are working through these problems. |
| 14:48.36 | ^Migs^ | me too |
| 14:48.37 | graphyx | Once you get through them it will only make your relationship stronger. |
| 14:48.43 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 14:48.58 | graphyx | not that I have had to deal with those issues... |
| 14:49.07 | ^Migs^ | even through all this, we've still shared a deep connection that I think will be able to carry us through anything, if we keep working on it |
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| 14:50.21 | graphyx | peer 2 , calvarez 0 |
| 14:50.29 | calvarez | yea |
| 14:50.59 | graphyx | I swear that he cheats. |
| 14:51.47 | ^Migs^ | gah, it drives me nuts when I IM someone with a question and they call me on the phone to give the answer |
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| 14:55.15 | ^Migs^ | almost forgot to cap that Ubuntu seed. Last time I didn't cap my torrents the upload speed went to 250 Mbit/sec and I got in big trouble |
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| 15:06.26 | Jayce^ | so, should I give amd64 a try again, or stick to 32 bit? |
| 15:10.04 | elg | Jayce^: you should definitely go halfway, at 48 bit |
| 15:10.27 | Jayce^ | oooh, good idea.. |
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| 15:13.46 | calvarez | Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn officially released |
| 15:13.47 | calvarez | i386 DVD http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/release/ubuntu-7.04-dvd-i386.iso.torrent |
| 15:13.53 | calvarez | please help seed! |
| 15:15.35 | Jayce^ | heh, can't even connect to get it... |
| 15:15.48 | Jayce^ | of course, I want the kubuntu one :) |
| 15:16.09 | calvarez | kubuntu was released too |
| 15:16.21 | Jayce^ | yeah, trying to *get* the torrents :) |
| 15:16.29 | elg | hmm, looks like leopard will support zfs |
| 15:16.45 | Jayce^ | elg, yeah, but probably not as a primary fs.. |
| 15:16.47 | Jayce^ | non-bootable |
| 15:16.54 | elg | that's the rumor |
| 15:17.07 | elg | me, I just want to be able to r/w xfs |
| 15:17.09 | Jayce^ | calvarez, got a mirror for the torrent files? |
| 15:17.14 | Jayce^ | elg, agreed |
| 15:17.27 | Jayce^ | heck, event ext3 would be nice |
| 15:17.41 | calvarez | not for kubuntu |
| 15:18.45 | elg | well there's fuse and ext2fuse |
| 15:18.53 | elg | but I don't know if that's worth the effort |
| 15:19.44 | Jayce^ | yeah, I had trouble with fuse recently (and ntfs) could't come out of sleep mode |
| 15:26.26 | ^Migs^ | wow, I have email from my mom backed up to September of last year |
| 15:33.48 | levi | The tubes were clogged. |
| 15:33.58 | levi | Too many people treating them like a dump truck! |
| 15:37.03 | levi | Oooh, an upgrade button in today's Software Updates. |
| 15:48.53 | elg | -lart Jayce^ |
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| 15:52.04 | levi | Whoa, I'm out of disk space. How'd that happen? |
| 15:52.29 | neybar | too many torrents |
| 15:53.36 | levi | Not at work. |
| 15:53.55 | bonez39 | how do I resolve this and other such cron errors?? >> /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: error: error accessing /var/log/apache-perl: No such file or directory error: apache-perl:1 glob failed for /var/log/apache-perl/*.log run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate exited with return code 1 |
| 15:55.11 | ^Migs^ | how do you broadcast messages to other users from the command line? |
| 15:55.33 | ^Migs^ | er, shell |
| 15:55.37 | levi | wall |
| 15:55.53 | rsimpkins | bonez39: Remove them from your logroate.conf - or the approprate included file. |
| 15:56.42 | ^Migs^ | how do I force all users to logout? |
| 15:56.50 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: To talk to an individual you can use write, or you can echo directly to their tty. |
| 15:56.59 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: kill them. |
| 15:57.28 | ^Migs^ | how do I find which users are on, and what the process is? |
| 15:57.31 | ^Migs^ | ps -ef doesn't seem to show it |
| 15:57.42 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: w usually shows who is using which tty. |
| 15:58.15 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: then I use ps aux | grep <tty name> |
| 16:00.01 | macnewbold | ^Migs^: who is another helpful one |
| 16:00.15 | ^Migs^ | k thanks |
| 16:00.27 | ^Migs^ | just having shell wars with a co worker |
| 16:01.23 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: oh? A fun was is to change the /etc/bashrc to page you when anyone logs in to the system. |
| 16:01.46 | ^Migs^ | cool, thanks |
| 16:01.46 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: Also modify things to write scrolling text in their terminal title bar. |
| 16:02.50 | rsimpkins | Or cat random output to their tty - that's always fun. ;) |
| 16:03.23 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: even better? start them in a screen session, then take control of their terminal. |
| 16:03.43 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 16:03.45 | rsimpkins | And no I have NEVER done ANY of these things. Ever! Mmmmkay? |
| 16:04.00 | rsimpkins | ;) |
| 16:04.10 | ^Migs^ | these are all great ideas :) |
| 16:04.35 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: BOFH for more. ;) |
| 16:10.36 | macnewbold | putting something like "xhost +" in their .xsession or .xinitrc works wonders too, then you can run xsnow, xeyes, xearth, or even xlock on them (xlock -mode bomb is kinda fun) |
| 16:22.04 | levi | Ahh, vmware virtual machines were taking up all my disk space on / |
| 16:22.12 | levi | Need to move them to another disk. |
| 16:32.55 | graphyx | levi that isn't that great of a surprise. |
| 16:33.11 | graphyx | After you get 2 or 3 any standard hard drive will feel the pinch. |
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| 16:55.27 | ^Migs^ | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=681388403953763543&q=mario+frustration |
| 17:04.54 | mrpull | ^migs^: i saw that last night |
| 17:05.06 | mrpull | i laughed a guilty laugh or two at the cussing |
| 17:06.03 | ^Migs^ | no, this is a different one |
| 17:06.17 | ^Migs^ | yeah, the commentary was funny for awhile |
| 17:06.27 | ^Migs^ | the bad acting got kind of old after about 8 minutes into it |
| 17:06.42 | mrpull | oh. this isn't the same "mario frustration" one |
| 17:06.53 | ^Migs^ | it was found off the same though |
| 17:06.58 | ^Migs^ | hence the search variable |
| 17:07.10 | ^Migs^ | one of those "other videos" listed below |
| 17:07.11 | mrpull | blooper... fire stick... |
| 17:07.17 | mrpull | who put that there? |
| 17:07.23 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 17:07.45 | mrpull | filthy. |
| 17:07.45 | mrpull | yet funny |
| 17:08.35 | ^Migs^ | yeah. If it hadn't been so filthy throughout, it might've been funny to the end |
| 17:08.53 | mrpull | yeah. i gave up a few minutes in. |
| 17:08.58 | mrpull | to much repetition |
| 17:12.40 | ^Migs^ | yeah, that too. |
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| 17:13.42 | findlay | -chat about Linux XP |
| 17:13.42 | brac | Linux XP on it is :) |
| 17:13.58 | findlay | -chat about Linux Vista |
| 17:13.58 | brac | Linux Vista |
| 17:13.59 | Lone_Wanderer | -chat about mheath is |
| 17:13.59 | brac | mheath is a cool saying to run the i386 version work... |
| 17:14.07 | Lone_Wanderer | -chat about sjansen wants |
| 17:14.07 | brac | sjansen wants smoked salmon |
| 17:14.12 | Lone_Wanderer | mmmm, so do I |
| 17:14.19 | findlay | -chat about stuff |
| 17:14.19 | brac | stuff did |
| 17:14.23 | elg | -chat |
| 17:14.24 | brac | have fun |
| 17:14.25 | Lone_Wanderer | -chat about Zend Framework |
| 17:14.25 | brac | Zend Framework |
| 17:14.34 | findlay | ibot: have fun |
| 17:14.55 | levi | I don't think I'm going to have any luck upgrading to Feisty today. |
| 17:15.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Don't upgrade to Feisty. |
| 17:15.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Stay with your current wife. |
| 17:15.15 | levi | Um. |
| 17:15.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Or girlfriend. |
| 17:16.06 | levi | I am indeed married. |
| 17:16.17 | Lone_Wanderer | But not, apparently, to an Irish redhead. |
| 17:16.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Moving on. What exactly is Feisty? |
| 17:16.57 | levi | Well, there is a touch of red in her hair. |
| 17:17.54 | elg | Lone_Wanderer: ubuntu latest version released today |
| 17:18.12 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, cool |
| 17:26.06 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 17:27.50 | levi | This looks interesting: http://metalua.luaforge.net/ |
| 17:30.45 | bonez39 | rsimpkins, none of the error cron messages I receive..none of the applications have any references in logrotate.conf |
| 17:35.12 | ^Migs^ | looks interesting, but I'll never use it |
| 17:35.28 | ^Migs^ | I guess I shouldn't say never |
| 17:36.17 | ^Migs^ | uh, is anyone even seeding Feisty? |
| 17:40.10 | mrpull | ^migs^: yeah. |
| 17:40.20 | mrpull | as much as 30mbps |
| 17:40.43 | ^Migs^ | oh, nm. I have PeerGuardian on. |
| 17:41.50 | findlay | I would if I didn't have a lame ISP |
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| 17:56.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Is anyone here familiar with the Google Maps API? |
| 17:56.42 | ^Migs^ | I am, incidentally |
| 17:57.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Can I tell it to only draw markers that are within a certain distance from a given location? |
| 17:57.06 | ^Migs^ | not quite an expert yet |
| 17:57.10 | ^Migs^ | yes |
| 17:57.23 | Lone_Wanderer | what part of the documentation do I look under to find it? |
| 17:57.48 | ^Migs^ | either you can write some code for that, but I think there's actually a method for it |
| 17:57.48 | ^Migs^ | or function, rather |
| 17:57.49 | ^Migs^ | hang on |
| 17:57.49 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 17:58.50 | Lone_Wanderer | To the bookstore to buy an O'Reilly book on the subject. |
| 17:59.02 | findlay | any one will do? |
| 17:59.10 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, any O'Reilly book ;) |
| 17:59.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't actually know. I've got Dynamic HTML, which covers Javascript along with a lot of other things. I imagine they've got one just on JS though. |
| 17:59.54 | Lone_Wanderer | I've never formally "learned" JS. |
| 18:00.07 | findlay | what do they mean by 'Dynamic HTML'? |
| 18:00.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Are you making fun of me, or is that a serious question? |
| 18:01.07 | findlay | serious |
| 18:01.41 | findlay | I can imagine several ways to define or look at dynamic html, but I'm curious what the book means by it |
| 18:02.29 | levi | DHTML is what they used to call manipulating the DOM with javascript. |
| 18:02.30 | Lone_Wanderer | It involves using js in combination with HTML and CSS and the DOM to make your HTML change without reloading the page. |
| 18:02.52 | ^Migs^ | gosh, I have no clue, Lone_Wanderer |
| 18:02.56 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 18:03.04 | ^Migs^ | sorry, I'd help more if I could |
| 18:03.14 | Lone_Wanderer | np |
| 18:03.32 | ^Migs^ | I havent' been able to get my IDE to properly show all the methods available, so I just have the docs to go by, too |
| 18:03.32 | findlay | maybe I can be content with just throwing around the buzzwords |
| 18:05.43 | ^Migs^ | Lone_Wanderer: You could just write your own function for that, which calculates the straight-distance from longitude and latitude coordinates. That wouldn't really be too hard. |
| 18:06.19 | Lone_Wanderer | oh yeah, that'd work |
| 18:06.23 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks :) |
| 18:06.26 | ^Migs^ | np |
| 18:09.17 | findlay | I feel lazy |
| 18:10.50 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Do you supply the list of data points? |
| 18:11.06 | levi | This might be helpful to you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-tree |
| 18:11.30 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm |
| 18:12.04 | Lone_Wanderer | We are supplying them yes. I don't know how. |
| 18:12.14 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 18:12.14 | ibot | beats elg to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 18:12.29 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 18:12.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Hey, 2.54 cm is... umm. |
| 18:12.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Right. I just got that. |
| 18:12.50 | emcnabb | ~lart findlay |
| 18:12.50 | ibot | gets a hotmal account and SPAMs findlay |
| 18:12.58 | findlay | ~aol emcnabb |
| 18:13.04 | ibot | ACTION hits emcnabb with a free America Online CD until he dies |
| 18:13.04 | Lone_Wanderer | hotmal! |
| 18:13.07 | Lone_Wanderer | ~fishheads findlay |
| 18:19.13 | elg | crazy student comes in yesterday, I help him with his hw. we discuss various ways to do one problem. "you could use the Vector class. It's a good thing to know in Java and would fit well here. Or you can just use a string or a linked list like you did before or..." |
| 18:20.17 | elg | crazy student apparently talks to teacher, says "I was told to use Vector" |
| 18:20.43 | Lone_Wanderer | So now you're in trouble? :p |
| 18:21.00 | elg | teacher's idea of the problem is completely toy-problem (and I didn't know what it was) and she says "you should just use a string, it's easy" |
| 18:21.23 | elg | so comes to me and says "don't tell them to use Vector. We didn't even talk about Vector in class" etc. etc. |
| 18:22.13 | findlay | haha |
| 18:22.17 | Lone_Wanderer | elg wins |
| 18:22.21 | elg | so I have a crazy student who A) is afraid of doing things differently than he learned them, B) is not afraid to do things differently than he was taught them, as long as it's his idea, and C) can't seem to keep conversations straight |
| 18:22.22 | findlay | education at its finest |
| 18:22.39 | elg | and heaven forbid the students should learn something actually useful |
| 18:22.55 | elg | not in trouble, but it's just silly |
| 18:23.36 | levi | Heaven forbid, indeed. |
| 18:23.43 | findlay | you can only learn in the sanctioned way |
| 18:23.56 | jsmith | elg: What, education isn't just about rote memorization and regurgitation? |
| 18:23.59 | findlay | pythagorean, man |
| 18:24.05 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: C'mon, you didn't remember the distance formula? |
| 18:24.08 | elg | jsmith: and don't forget mindreading |
| 18:24.15 | elg | d^2 = x^2+y^2 |
| 18:24.37 | stuporglue | Can someone look at this htaccess file? I have it working on most of the site, except in the wordpress directory. Broken htaccess: http://elements-by-caroline-photography.com/blog/htaccess, working for rest of site: http://elements-by-caroline-photography.com/htaccess |
| 18:24.39 | Lone_Wanderer | levi: I remember that a^2 = b^ + c^2 |
| 18:24.39 | jsmith | elg: I failed my mindreading class... |
| 18:24.39 | findlay | levi: you can derive all straight distance calculations in Euclidean n-space from Pythagorean theorem |
| 18:24.46 | Lone_Wanderer | err b^2 |
| 18:25.01 | levi | findlay: Indeed. |
| 18:25.05 | elg | argh. everytime I upgrade dovecot it hoses my config file without asking questions |
| 18:25.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Which is basically the same thing as what elg said. |
| 18:25.12 | elg | and the package maintainer swears it isn't so |
| 18:25.13 | findlay | and so much more |
| 18:25.27 | elg | i must have some flag on the package that says "don't ask him if he wants to keep his changes" |
| 18:25.46 | levi | I had to come up with a formula to tell me the time at which two objects moving in straight lines are closest to each other. |
| 18:26.10 | Lone_Wanderer | But I'm just wondering, do I really want to go through every single marker that's being displayed and check if it's within a certain distance of the center? |
| 18:26.16 | findlay | but, what about z^n = x^n + y^n for n in Integers and n > 2? |
| 18:26.19 | Lone_Wanderer | levi: parallel? |
| 18:26.22 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Thus the r-trees |
| 18:26.27 | Lone_Wanderer | because if they aren't parallel you just see where they meet |
| 18:26.38 | Lone_Wanderer | levi: There's no way I'm implementing an r-tree for this. |
| 18:26.52 | findlay | maybe you can use polar coordinates |
| 18:26.58 | Lone_Wanderer | polar? |
| 18:27.01 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: I'm not talking about lines, I'm talking about points. |
| 18:27.05 | Lone_Wanderer | I can't change the data that's already in the DB |
| 18:27.25 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: The paths are lines, but where they cross is not necessarily the point at which the two will be closest. |
| 18:27.28 | Lone_Wanderer | levi: ahh I see, they could be anywhere on the line |
| 18:27.30 | Lone_Wanderer | right |
| 18:27.31 | findlay | there's thousands of years worth of geometry behind distance finding |
| 18:27.40 | Lone_Wanderer | 'cause there's time involved too |
| 18:28.03 | levi | I figured it out, but it involves... calculus! |
| 18:28.22 | levi | Which I fortunately remembered enough of to plug the right stuff into maxima. |
| 18:28.28 | findlay | oh no, not .. calculus :-) |
| 18:28.43 | Lone_Wanderer | findlay: not calculus. It's "... calculus!" |
| 18:28.58 | levi | findlay: I like calculus. It's just funny how scared people are of it. |
| 18:29.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Or if you're pretentious, "The Calculus!" |
| 18:29.11 | findlay | haha |
| 18:29.44 | findlay | calculus went cliche 300 years ago |
| 18:29.47 | Lone_Wanderer | My neck and back feel stiff. |
| 18:29.57 | Lone_Wanderer | has it been around that long? |
| 18:30.00 | findlay | depressing that public education hasn't caught up with it |
| 18:30.15 | findlay | about that long |
| 18:30.20 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 18:30.29 | Lone_Wanderer | So whose calculus did we end up using? |
| 18:30.36 | findlay | heh |
| 18:30.37 | Lone_Wanderer | There were two, right? |
| 18:31.02 | levi | Leibnitz's notation is used more now. |
| 18:31.04 | findlay | there are a few different ways to approach calculus |
| 18:31.44 | findlay | basically there's differential and integral and they are in many ways opposite |
| 18:31.45 | levi | Newton is the other guy who came up with it. |
| 18:31.47 | Lone_Wanderer | I neve did like that Leibnitz fellow. |
| 18:31.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Newton's my man. |
| 18:31.58 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Don't say that in front of findlay! |
| 18:32.00 | Lone_Wanderer | never* |
| 18:32.09 | levi | Leibnitz was way cool. |
| 18:32.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Leibnitz is the suxorz! Newton 4 life! |
| 18:32.58 | findlay | Kepler, Galileo, and Archimedes each in their own way contributed material that Leibnitz and Newton used to create the field of calculus |
| 18:33.03 | findlay | among others |
| 18:33.38 | Lone_Wanderer | So Lamenitz stole his material, basically. |
| 18:33.38 | ^Migs^ | I don't like Icecast's documentation |
| 18:33.51 | findlay | Lone_Wanderer: um, no |
| 18:33.55 | Lone_Wanderer | ;) |
| 18:33.59 | findlay | heh |
| 18:34.27 | Lone_Wanderer | If you haven't read The Baroque Cycle (or whatever that series is called), I invite you to. |
| 18:35.04 | findlay | Fermat is notable as well |
| 18:35.29 | Lone_Wanderer | There's a bit of discussion about how Newton and Leibnitz were both promoting their individual calculi and how there was occasionally petty bickering among fellows of the Royal Society between the two. |
| 18:35.43 | jsmith | Don't forget Fourier and Heavyside... |
| 18:36.01 | findlay | indeed |
| 18:36.10 | Lone_Wanderer | And there's also a decent amount of content about Jack Shaftoe, for fans of that family. |
| 18:37.00 | levi | Leibnitz also had a lot of interesting ideas about symbolic thought, and anticipated a lot of stuff that's now computer science and information theory. |
| 18:37.26 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 18:37.35 | findlay | to me, attributing credit isn't as interesting as learning how and why the discoverers made their discoveries |
| 18:37.56 | findlay | in fact, Leibnitz was the first to use binary notation :) |
| 18:38.13 | elg | at the conf last weekend, one speaker (with a german accent) was talking about a paper that was one of the last published in german before wwii |
| 18:38.28 | elg | as in before the language of science switched over to english in wwii |
| 18:38.36 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 18:38.57 | Lone_Wanderer | there's a character in one of Stephenson's books that's attempting to catalogue everything with a numbered system |
| 18:38.58 | levi | Newton was an alchemist. |
| 18:39.02 | elg | he noted that if it wasn't for hitler we might be writing our papers and holding our conferences in german |
| 18:39.12 | Lone_Wanderer | whereby primes represent certain basic concepts, and their products represent things that combine the concepts |
| 18:39.22 | findlay | and Leibnitz made ballon animals |
| 18:39.26 | elg | and expressed the hope that the US and/or UK didn't go do something stupid so we all have to learn yet another language |
| 18:39.44 | findlay | I say we go back to Latin |
| 18:39.50 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Sounds like Leibnitz. |
| 18:40.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Veni ad hoc illegitimi! |
| 18:40.33 | elg | -lart emcnabb twice |
| 18:40.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Umbris bene accipere. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur... |
| 18:41.13 | elg | findlay: that's like arguing we all go back to C |
| 18:41.40 | findlay | elg: you think Latin an insufficient language for science? |
| 18:41.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Except that most modern natural languages aren't... okay never mind. |
| 18:42.18 | elg | Lone_Wanderer: you almost got yourself in deep parentheses there |
| 18:42.33 | elg | findlay: it's a dead language |
| 18:42.39 | levi | We should all adopt Lojban. :P |
| 18:42.41 | findlay | so? |
| 18:42.52 | findlay | science already uses it in many ways |
| 18:43.00 | elg | to use latin to talk about our current scientifical world would sound as much like latin as technological spanish sounds like spanish |
| 18:43.13 | Lone_Wanderer | elg: Yeah I realized as I was thinking about it how wrong I was =) |
| 18:43.42 | findlay | elg: I'd say that's a virtue unique to the language: It's nobody's native language |
| 18:44.53 | findlay | I crimped my first RJ45 jack today |
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| 18:45.00 | findlay | and it worked :) |
| 18:45.22 | findlay | just had to make sure all the wires matched up |
| 18:45.24 | levi | findlay: So, why not use a completely made-up language instead of making up a bunch of stuff to add to a language no one uses natively anymore? |
| 18:45.34 | findlay | levi: fine with me |
| 18:45.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Why not just use English? Everyone's using it already anyway. |
| 18:45.45 | findlay | levi: because latin is already in use |
| 18:45.45 | elg | findlay: but if we want a language soup that is full of words from all kinds of languages, what's wrong with english? |
| 18:46.11 | findlay | there could be a standards body on what constitutes official latin |
| 18:46.30 | findlay | you couldn't do that with any other language, really |
| 18:46.31 | elg | that'd be about as useful as legislating spam |
| 18:46.34 | findlay | just learn the standard |
| 18:46.46 | elg | findlay: you can't do that with any language that people actually speak |
| 18:46.46 | Lone_Wanderer | findlay: Yes, you can. Look at French. |
| 18:46.53 | findlay | (not that I wholly endorse what I'm saying right now :-) |
| 18:46.56 | Lone_Wanderer | They've got L'academie Francaise |
| 18:47.05 | elg | spanish has one too |
| 18:47.09 | elg | fat lot of good it does them |
| 18:47.18 | elg | we still have wawas |
| 18:47.19 | findlay | Engilish is a hopeless cause |
| 18:47.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Either of them I'd imagine. It doesn't do French any good. |
| 18:47.25 | Lone_Wanderer | What's a wawa? |
| 18:47.49 | elg | bus or station wagon, in several island countries |
| 18:47.51 | elg | like cuba |
| 18:48.09 | findlay | what's wrong with at least experimenting with a rigorous language defined much like a computer language? |
| 18:48.12 | Lone_Wanderer | English is awesome specifically because it's so mixed up. |
| 18:48.12 | elg | the royal academy would love people to say autobus |
| 18:48.25 | elg | findlay: nothing. people do it all the time |
| 18:48.33 | elg | people in irc even make their nicks out of it |
| 18:48.39 | findlay | you're all just afraid of it and can't see any of the possible advantages |
| 18:48.53 | elg | i'm not afraid of latin |
| 18:48.55 | Lone_Wanderer | That's because it's a dumb idea. |
| 18:48.56 | Lone_Wanderer | ;) |
| 18:49.20 | findlay | but not for the computer |
| 18:49.34 | Lone_Wanderer | If I want to say that someone embiggened himself through his performance, I should be able to. |
| 18:49.51 | Lone_Wanderer | And it should be perfectly cromulent to do so. |
| 18:49.56 | elg | latin was the scholarly/religious language for a long time |
| 18:50.06 | findlay | so there's no formal context where you'd willingly abandon that freedom? |
| 18:50.11 | elg | the reason a vulgar language came out on top is not mistake |
| 18:50.22 | elg | and english in particular is well-suited because it is very flexible |
| 18:50.28 | findlay | indeed |
| 18:50.33 | Lone_Wanderer | In a formal context I'll gladly restrict my word choice to those that are already well defined. |
| 18:50.38 | elg | you can import a word from your native tongue if needed, and verbify words on the fly |
| 18:50.57 | elg | and various other aspects to the language |
| 18:51.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Including the word "verb" apparently, elg ;) |
| 18:51.09 | elg | we discussed this in history of creativity |
| 18:51.44 | Lone_Wanderer | English is great because you can abuse it and it still works. |
| 18:51.45 | elg | it may be an example of worse is better, but english has a clear evolutionary advantage as a language :) |
| 18:52.01 | ^Migs^ | uh oh, mom-in-law found the email after all. |
| 18:52.12 | Lone_Wanderer | What email? |
| 18:52.16 | ^Migs^ | Even though the email politely requested that she not call us anymore, she apparently just left a ton of threatening messages on our home machine |
| 18:52.25 | findlay | English has been hacked on by poets, scientists, and lawyers alike |
| 18:52.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Marvelous. |
| 18:52.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Restraining order time? |
| 18:52.51 | ^Migs^ | <Migs> my wife and I sent a letter to my mom-in-law. My wife sent one last year that attempted to effectively cut her out of our lives, but it didn't work, because it was too apologetic and stuff, so we wrote one that was more forthcoming yet polite and sent it on Tuesday. |
| 18:52.51 | ^Migs^ | <Migs> Problem is, her dad intercepted it, and responded with "I read your stupid letter and it's SOOOO bad. I'm never going to tell your mother you sent it." |
| 18:52.51 | ^Migs^ | <Migs> then he went on to say crap like "too bad you're wasting your time trying to kill yourself" |
| 18:53.06 | ^Migs^ | etc |
| 18:53.18 | ^Migs^ | yup, next step is restraining order |
| 18:53.33 | ^Migs^ | well, next step is actually blocking their phone numbers |
| 18:53.49 | findlay | sounds like a job for asterisk |
| 18:54.02 | ^Migs^ | that's what elg said |
| 18:54.21 | ^Migs^ | I always forget the power of the asterisk |
| 18:54.43 | elg | prob. easier to just have the phone company block it |
| 18:54.54 | elg | though not as flexible |
| 18:55.07 | ^Migs^ | why would I need flexibility? I just don't want them calling. Ever. |
| 18:55.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Can I get Utopia in Taylorsville? |
| 18:55.24 | findlay | yay, isp isn't blocking my ubuntu seed this time |
| 18:55.37 | elg | ^Migs^: you're obviously not creative enough. ;-) the simple solution is probably the best in the long run anyway |
| 18:56.02 | ^Migs^ | I know. I guess I just want to say that I exhausted all possible options first |
| 18:58.52 | emcnabb | why do I feel like I'm watching an episode of Jerry Springer these days on #utah? |
| 18:59.06 | elg | emcnabb: you're the cameramna |
| 18:59.40 | findlay | ~springer emcnabb |
| 19:00.10 | ^Migs^ | sorry |
| 19:00.27 | elg | ibot, say emcnabb cheated on his math test |
| 19:00.29 | ibot | emcnabb cheated on his math test |
| 19:00.35 | emcnabb | elg: is it true that you had an affair with a transvestite nazi eskimo? |
| 19:00.38 | ^Migs^ | I just like IRC because it can be therapeutic to vent to people I don't actually know and will probably never meet |
| 19:00.59 | findlay | ~springer emcnabb |
| 19:01.01 | ibot | ACTION runs emcnabb through LaTeX and sends emcnabb off to Springer-Verlag |
| 19:01.17 | elg | your stories are always interesting |
| 19:01.27 | ^Migs^ | plus everyone forgets about it in less than an hour, so I don't think I'm "worrying" anyone |
| 19:01.38 | ^Migs^ | yeah, the situation is pretty wacky |
| 19:01.42 | elg | emcnabb: no, but I heard you're still beating your cat |
| 19:01.57 | ^Migs^ | you're still beating your cat, emcnabb? |
| 19:02.09 | findlay | ~shrodinger emcnabb's cat |
| 19:02.19 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: of the 1000's of IRC channels, why this one? |
| 19:02.43 | ^Migs^ | you're just lucky, I guess |
| 19:02.53 | emcnabb | un |
| 19:02.55 | ^Migs^ | you should be honored |
| 19:03.05 | emcnabb | honor? wt_? |
| 19:03.11 | findlay | emcnabb: because I'm here and I am cool |
| 19:03.16 | elg | what the underscore?! |
| 19:03.22 | emcnabb | elg: yes! |
| 19:03.26 | findlay | heh |
| 19:03.30 | elg | ~honor emcnabb |
| 19:03.39 | ^Migs^ | I used to say wtq |
| 19:03.52 | findlay | ibot: wt_ is what the underscore |
| 19:03.54 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 19:03.54 | emcnabb | findlay: sure... go back to your own little world... :-) |
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| 19:05.16 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 19:06.18 | findlay | this is your brain on code |
| 19:08.17 | elg | so top on my list of recent depressing movies is pursuit of happyness |
| 19:08.19 | emcnabb | findlay: code monkey? |
| 19:08.42 | emcnabb | what are you doing? |
| 19:08.57 | findlay | emcnabb: web dev |
| 19:09.34 | findlay | hopefully I can stay as insulated from IE as much as possible |
| 19:09.53 | emcnabb | cool |
| 19:10.45 | emcnabb | so, if anyone here, or anyone you know, is interested in working at Red Hat, we have openings on all teams here in Support Services |
| 19:11.04 | emcnabb | we're growing quickly |
| 19:11.31 | findlay | what kinds of jobs? |
| 19:12.53 | emcnabb | Level 1 support (phone), Level 2 support, Technical Account Managers (Customer and Partner), Support Engineering |
| 19:13.41 | emcnabb | those are the main teams |
| 19:19.20 | ^Migs^ | what's the salary like? |
| 19:20.04 | Lone_Wanderer | emcnabb: Do you have evening support positions? |
| 19:20.13 | Lone_Wanderer | And is support tech support? |
| 19:20.32 | emcnabb | it varies; RH isn't the best paying company out there (but it's not horrible either), but NC is pretty affordable too |
| 19:20.45 | emcnabb | Lone_Wanderer: yeah, product support |
| 19:20.53 | Lone_Wanderer | oh, North Carolina? |
| 19:20.56 | emcnabb | L1/L2 are more traditional "tech support" |
| 19:21.05 | emcnabb | Lone_Wanderer: yeah |
| 19:21.18 | Lone_Wanderer | can't do that I'm afraid |
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| 19:21.47 | emcnabb | you're afraid, of North Carolina? |
| 19:21.48 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 19:21.55 | Lone_Wanderer | yes |
| 19:22.09 | levi | Hey, you could get a job for Mister Ed hacking perl code! |
| 19:22.29 | emcnabb | in the last year we've had 5 Utahns move out here (at least) |
| 19:22.38 | findlay | levi: you have no idea ;-) |
| 19:22.47 | elg | there goes the carolinas |
| 19:22.57 | levi | findlay: You work for agoracart, right? |
| 19:23.04 | findlay | levi: used to |
| 19:23.15 | levi | findlay: Not something you'd recommend? |
| 19:23.18 | elg | now he works for a mad scientist |
| 19:23.37 | Lone_Wanderer | I used to *be* a mad scientist. |
| 19:23.53 | findlay | I am *the* mad scientist! |
| 19:24.00 | Lone_Wanderer | But then I talked things over with my girlfriend and calmed down. |
| 19:24.38 | elg | so apparently now vmware's trouble ticket system only works in IE |
| 19:24.55 | elg | there's brilliance for you |
| 19:24.59 | emcnabb | elg: you should file a ticket on that |
| 19:25.10 | emcnabb | elg: for a while ours had problems in IE |
| 19:25.33 | findlay | levi: depends on the nature of recommendation |
| 19:34.47 | ^Migs^ | didn't Dr. Frankenstein have a girlfriend? |
| 19:34.57 | ^Migs^ | or a wife or something |
| 19:37.30 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know, but his door had very nice knockers. |
| 19:40.37 | levi | ^Migs^: His cousin. |
| 19:40.51 | levi | IIRC, that is. |
| 19:41.23 | ^Migs^ | that sounds right |
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| 19:45.29 | elg | 2 (15 oz) cans foo, 2 15-oz cans foo, 2 cans foo (15 oz), 2 cans (15 oz) foo, 15 oz (2 cans) foo, or what would you do? |
| 19:46.41 | elg | i'll try harder to summon |
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| 19:47.12 | elg | I heard emcnabb was you're favorite. His cat always land on it's pause |
| 19:47.42 | jsmith | elg: I'd go with 2 cans foo (15 oz) |
| 19:47.55 | levi | elg: Aieeeeeee! |
| 19:47.59 | jsmith | elg: Or, two 15 oz cans of foo |
| 19:49.08 | levi | Is it a total of 15 oz or 30 oz? |
| 19:49.27 | levi | Some of your examples are not clear about that. |
| 19:50.36 | levi | I don't like recipes that call for 'cans' of ingredients. |
| 19:51.00 | levi | Just tell me how much, and I'll find the right size of packaging. |
| 19:52.21 | elg | levi: well exactly |
| 19:52.26 | elg | A) I want it to be clear |
| 19:52.32 | elg | and B) I don't like "2 cans" either |
| 19:52.40 | elg | but they're not my recipes. I'm just the copy editor :) |
| 19:52.45 | levi | Ahh. |
| 19:53.25 | ^Migs^ | wow, lazy coworkers are now huddled around a computer playing a flight simulator |
| 19:53.41 | ^Migs^ | I think they've been doing that for the past hour |
| 19:53.58 | ^Migs^ | must be a REALLY slow week |
| 19:54.03 | levi | If there are well-defined grammatical rules for that situation, elg, I'd be surprised. You might look for food magazine style guides, though. |
| 19:57.22 | levi | I've found a few instances of: 2 cans (15 oz each) |
| 20:02.20 | elg | in this instance, it's "2 (15 oz) cans of tomato sauce" |
| 20:02.31 | elg | which I interpret to mean 2 15-oz cans of tomato sauce |
| 20:02.36 | Tene | elg: I'd say "2 15-oz cans of tomato sauce" |
| 20:02.51 | elg | the hyphen and lack of parentheses transforming the semiambiguous (15 oz) into an adjective |
| 20:04.00 | elg | but will 2 15-oz cans of tomato sauce confuse mere mortals? |
| 20:04.40 | jsmith | s/2/two/ |
| 20:04.47 | jsmith | That makes it easier to parse |
| 20:05.01 | elg | i agree it's hard on the parser |
| 20:05.14 | elg | but two is inconsistent with the rest |
| 20:05.17 | elg | stylewise |
| 20:05.25 | jsmith | Right |
| 20:05.34 | jsmith | How about 2 fifteen-ounce cans of foo? |
| 20:05.49 | elg | 2 cans of 15-oz tomatoes ;-) |
| 20:06.10 | rsimpkins | 'a couple of cans of regularly sized foo' is better. |
| 20:06.22 | jsmith | 2 ea 15-oz cans of whoop-dee-do |
| 20:06.31 | elg | 30 oz canned tomatoes |
| 20:06.49 | jsmith | 30 oz canned tomatoes (2 cans of 15 oz each) |
| 20:06.56 | elg | which would be great except it might get confused with floz in some cases |
| 20:07.05 | rsimpkins | 30 ounces of foo, distributed among two containers. |
| 20:07.08 | elg | and probably tick off theh people that wrote the recipes that think "cans" is a great measurement |
| 20:08.00 | rsimpkins | s/tomatoes/tamaters/g |
| 20:08.02 | jsmith | Two cans (15 oz. each) of whoop-dee-do |
| 20:08.19 | jsmith | rsimpkins: No, just 'maters. |
| 20:08.56 | jsmith | rsimpkins: As in "I went o'r yonder to Noxapater and bought myself a juicy 'mater." |
| 20:09.56 | rsimpkins | jsmith: gbzngbf |
| 20:10.11 | elg | here's a sample from foodnetwork.com |
| 20:10.12 | elg | 2 (8-ounce) packages cream cheese, room temperature |
| 20:10.14 | rsimpkins | I hate the e any way. :P |
| 20:10.21 | elg | 8 ounces purchased biscotti |
| 20:10.33 | elg | 6 tablespoons (3/4 stick) unsalted butter, melted |
| 20:10.56 | elg | not entirely consistent, but I kind of like the (8-oz) bit |
| 20:11.03 | elg | the parens help the parser |
| 20:11.09 | elg | but the - keeps it as an adjective |
| 20:12.06 | rsimpkins | I wonder what the history of recipes is. What was the first recipe for? |
| 20:12.28 | elg | how to cook your neighbor |
| 20:12.52 | rsimpkins | There had to be someone to create the first cookbook or something like that. |
| 20:13.31 | elg | the first cookbook in english was "The Forme of Cury" in 1390 |
| 20:13.34 | mrpull | anybody have a DVD drive for a Sun v240 laying around? |
| 20:14.30 | rsimpkins | elg: It looks like the first recipe might have been 2000BC. |
| 20:14.53 | elg | certainly it was probably not long after people were both cooking and writing |
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| 20:16.27 | Mecworks | thanks ibot |
| 20:16.53 | rsimpkins | Mecworks: Hey there, how's it going. |
| 20:17.02 | Mecworks | Pretty good. You? |
| 20:17.09 | elg | would it be terrible if I left oz and lb abbreviated and disabbreviated everything else, like teaspoon tablespoon cup, etc/ |
| 20:17.17 | rsimpkins | Mecworks: Great. |
| 20:17.22 | Mecworks | cool :) |
| 20:17.24 | elg | i just like the look of oz and lb |
| 20:17.30 | elg | they're such cute abbreviations |
| 20:20.59 | ^Migs^ | http://www.vijaygill.com/pics/stfu.gif |
| 20:23.48 | mrpull | how about a spare external DVD drive laying around? |
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| 20:35.06 | ^Migs^ | Cho Seung-Hui's name has been corrected (the Chinese characters, at least). He's actually in a different line of Chos than previously thought. |
| 20:37.38 | ^Migs^ | this is relevant because my best friend is in the same family of Chos. No telling what danger I'm in. |
| 20:45.21 | elg | heh. this problem has utterly confused everyone |
| 20:45.35 | elg | including the teacher I think. I don't think she thought it through |
| 20:45.36 | ^Migs^ | i know I'M bewildered |
| 20:45.50 | elg | http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~ipivkina/cs272/Homework/lab8.html #4 |
| 20:45.51 | brac | [Spring 2007: CS272 Lab #8] |
| 20:46.25 | elg | it's not that hard, assuming you know how to represent a set of subsets with some data structure |
| 20:46.43 | elg | which is something you'd think you might learn by the last few weeks of a class called "Data Structures" |
| 20:48.05 | elg | but the teacher is telling people they don't need to use any fancy structures, "just a string" |
| 20:48.16 | findlay | data structures are for programmers |
| 20:48.43 | elg | I'll give a digital candy to whoever figures out an easy way to do that with just a string |
| 20:51.48 | ^Migs^ | maybe you're just writing the instructions crappy ;) |
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| 20:51.59 | ^Migs^ | s/crappy/crappily/ |
| 20:52.07 | Jayce^ | hehe.. nice DM quote.. |
| 20:52.37 | elg | i didn't write the instructions |
| 20:53.01 | elg | the instructions aren't any dispute, it's the crazy conflicting "suggestions" she's giving out in class |
| 20:54.59 | Tene | elg: JSON? |
| 20:55.06 | Tene | ;) |
| 20:56.33 | levi | elg: Poor students. |
| 20:57.10 | levi | elg: Not only are they forced to learn Java, but they are taught to use Java in the most stupid manner imaginable. |
| 20:58.11 | levi | Trying to teach recursion with Java and strings... |
| 20:58.30 | Tene | srsly, wtf |
| 21:04.59 | elg | seriously |
| 21:05.44 | elg | i'm thiking I'll write it up in Java using a Set class and tell her that's the only good way I can see of doing it, and she's welcome to show me a better way with strings |
| 21:07.28 | levi | You could certainly /make/ a set class that uses a string as its internal storage, but that would be Stupid. |
| 21:08.40 | levi | Recursion and lists are made for one another. |
| 21:08.51 | ^Migs^ | Chris Rock on gun control: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJGcrUk2eE |
| 21:32.57 | bonez39 | anyone else using that motorola ATA for VOIP? |
| 21:33.29 | bonez39 | mine apparently, per vonage's instructions needs its MAC to be cloned from one of the PC's attached to the attached router... |
| 21:33.50 | bonez39 | I am curious if one can set up a motorola ATA device to be remotely managed. |
| 21:39.44 | elg | I had almost forgotten how ugly iteration over collections is in java |
| 21:44.25 | levi | elg: It's good to be reminded of that every so often. |
| 21:50.14 | elg | well i'll be, she does have a way |
| 21:50.16 | Tene | elg: map? can't you just use map? |
| 21:50.17 | elg | a very inefficient way |
| 21:50.24 | elg | Tene: java has a map? |
| 21:50.25 | Tene | oh, wait, there is no map... |
| 21:50.55 | elg | http://pastie.caboo.se/55149 |
| 21:51.04 | findlay | ~map Tene |
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| 21:52.52 | Tene | http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2007-04-01-1.html |
| 21:53.31 | elg | so the real question is, am I just too tained by real languages and theory to have come up with that, or is it really that hard to come up with? |
| 21:56.25 | elg | and here's my approach http://pastie.caboo.se/55154 |
| 21:56.41 | elg | but that's ruby. it's quite a bit uglier in java |
| 21:57.01 | levi | Ow, recursive functions that don't return anything. |
| 21:57.24 | elg | recursive side effecting :) |
| 21:57.37 | findlay | is that like a spiral or something? |
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| 22:13.03 | levi | elg: It also recurses on itself twice. |
| 22:13.28 | levi | elg: I'd say it's not something the average student is going to think of. |
| 22:18.04 | findlay | sweet:Paste number 39999 on paste.lisp.org! |
| 22:18.12 | findlay | I'm special! |
| 22:20.19 | findlay | http://paste.lisp.org/display/40000 |
| 22:20.40 | findlay | who wants to buy it from me? |
| 22:20.43 | beandog | nerds. |
| 22:27.57 | findlay | beandog: I'll sell it to you |
| 22:28.07 | beandog | how much? Im poor. |
| 22:29.34 | findlay | 50,000 electrons (e^-) |
| 22:31.37 | jsmith | s/-ver/-over/ |
| 22:31.49 | findlay | going to jsmith |
| 22:31.55 | findlay | gone! |
| 22:32.01 | findlay | *bang* |
| 22:33.03 | jsmith | http://paste.lisp.org/display/40000#1 |
| 22:35.29 | findlay | beandog: what about svn+ssh? |
| 22:36.11 | beandog | findlay: what about it |
| 22:36.13 | beandog | ? |
| 22:36.14 | beandog | should work |
| 22:36.21 | beandog | still gonna use svn's authentication though |
| 22:36.22 | beandog | not ssh's |
| 22:36.52 | findlay | beandog: I just want it to work :/ |
| 22:38.19 | jsmith | svn + client side certs |
| 22:38.29 | jsmith | They're a pain, but they're nice |
| 22:39.02 | findlay | well, I can't seem to get svnserve to work at all |
| 22:43.27 | levi | elg: http://schemecookbook.org/Erlang/ |
| 22:43.41 | levi | In case you get around to hacking with erlang again. |
| 22:44.53 | beandog | even with the plaintext auth? |
| 22:45.33 | findlay | beandog: no auth seems to work |
| 22:45.58 | beandog | what user is svnserve running as |
| 22:46.33 | findlay | root |
| 22:46.40 | beandog | Hmm. |
| 22:47.29 | findlay | all the perms in the repo are root as well |
| 22:47.35 | beandog | Hmm |
| 22:47.45 | beandog | did you try it locally |
| 22:47.51 | findlay | no |
| 22:47.57 | beandog | see if that works |
| 22:48.16 | findlay | svn checkout file:///path/to/repo? |
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| 22:48.41 | beandog | uh |
| 22:48.42 | beandog | I think so |
| 22:48.45 | beandog | er |
| 22:48.49 | beandog | try svn://localhost/repo |
| 22:49.18 | findlay | that works |
| 22:49.27 | findlay | (the file:// version) |
| 22:50.22 | findlay | the localhost version says svn: No access allowed to this repository |
| 22:52.50 | beandog | Hmm |
| 22:53.05 | beandog | how is your conf/svnserve.conf setup |
| 22:53.21 | beandog | did you setup auth in there |
| 22:53.28 | findlay | http://paste.lisp.org/display/39999 |
| 22:54.44 | beandog | and you setup passwd? |
| 22:55.09 | findlay | what do you mean? |
| 22:55.24 | beandog | youve got three files |
| 22:55.29 | beandog | authz, passwd, svnserve.conf |
| 22:55.33 | beandog | passwd has the uname:pwd pairs |
| 22:55.46 | findlay | right |
| 22:56.54 | Lone_Wanderer | How hard is it to turn minutes and seconds into miles? |
| 22:57.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Actually, the other way around - I need to turn a number of miles into degrees |
| 22:57.31 | findlay | there's 360 degrees all the way around the world at the equitorial circumferance |
| 22:57.53 | findlay | but I imagine there's an official conversion between nautical miles and degrees |
| 22:58.07 | Lone_Wanderer | I need land miles, not nautical miles. |
| 22:58.14 | findlay | right |
| 22:58.43 | findlay | I think 1 nmi == 1 degree |
| 22:58.43 | findlay | s/degree/minute/ |
| 22:58.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Also, is there a particular way that "minutes", "seconds" etc. should be written for Google Calculator? |
| 22:58.53 | Lone_Wanderer | arcseconds or something? |
| 22:59.29 | findlay | usually 111(deg)24'11" |
| 22:59.38 | findlay | but I don't know |
| 22:59.46 | Lone_Wanderer | erk |
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| 23:00.01 | Lone_Wanderer | I just want to turn an input box that says "X miles" into degrees and seconds. |
| 23:00.24 | beandog | hmm |
| 23:00.25 | Lone_Wanderer | So I know what math to do when selecting which markers to display. |
| 23:00.28 | beandog | findlay: I can get it to check out from anyone |
| 23:00.30 | findlay | so, you need a distance conversion between miles and degrees |
| 23:00.33 | beandog | anonymously |
| 23:00.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Right. |
| 23:02.14 | findlay | ~date |
| 23:02.25 | ibot | It is now 2007.04.19 23:02:25 GMT |
| 23:02.34 | beandog | findlay: works for me just fine, with plaintext auth |
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| 23:03.51 | beandog | findlay: http://rafb.net/p/kF2HdC61.html |
| 23:04.08 | bonez39 | Ex Qwest CEO Nacchio found Guilty of insider trading......per WSJ.... |
| 23:05.54 | findlay | beandog: what about your passwd file |
| 23:06.06 | beandog | findlay: looks like the user is the user you are logged in as |
| 23:06.11 | beandog | you cant do svn://joe@localhost/ |
| 23:06.30 | beandog | but that file was just: |
| 23:06.32 | findlay | I can't even seem to get that to work either |
| 23:06.32 | beandog | [users] |
| 23:06.37 | beandog | root = foobar |
| 23:06.51 | findlay | well, I'll try it on another box |
| 23:06.57 | findlay | next Thursday afternoon :/ |
| 23:07.03 | beandog | hokay |
| 23:07.08 | findlay | thanks beandog |
| 23:07.12 | beandog | yahps |
| 23:12.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Ermm. |
| 23:13.07 | Lone_Wanderer | The north-south lines get closer together as you near the poles. |
| 23:13.23 | Lone_Wanderer | So I don't think there is actually any (direct) way to do the conversion. |
