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| 00:11.13 | elg | heh. http://www.thescripts.com/forum/thread461543.html |
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| 01:41.44 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
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| 01:46.40 | vontrapp | -lart route y |
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| 02:11.16 | elg | what's that famous quote in design circles about whitespace? |
| 02:13.33 | vontrapp | whitespace isn't really white? |
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| 02:50.57 | nick125_lappy | I hope I can find the console cable to this cisco :/ |
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| 03:20.53 | vontrapp | ?? gcc knows how to turn some recursive calls into iterative code |
| 03:20.54 | UtahBot | gcc[x]: No defenition found for word. |
| 03:21.10 | vontrapp | -lart UtahBot |
| 03:23.47 | Sargun | interactive code? |
| 03:24.58 | Tene | Sargun: iterative code. |
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| 03:26.06 | Sargun | Oh. |
| 03:26.16 | Sargun | jsmith, your in the bay area!! |
| 03:26.21 | Sargun | Using SBC Yahoo DSL! |
| 03:26.29 | jsmith | Sargun: Yes I am! |
| 03:26.49 | Sargun | Why? |
| 03:26.51 | Sargun | What city? |
| 03:26.55 | Sargun | Until When? |
| 03:27.13 | Sargun | Neat! |
| 03:27.16 | Sargun | What class? |
| 03:27.23 | jsmith | Asterisk Bookcamp |
| 03:27.29 | jsmith | s/Book/Boot/ |
| 03:30.04 | vontrapp | my network is being pesteringly intermittent |
| 03:30.26 | vontrapp | too bad gcc deosn't know how to turn intermittent to reliable |
| 03:30.43 | jsmith | Why would gcc have anything to do with your network? |
| 03:30.56 | vontrapp | why indeed |
| 03:31.03 | vontrapp | it was a pun :/ |
| 03:31.14 | vontrapp | iterative/recursive |
| 03:31.33 | vontrapp | intermittent/reliable |
| 03:33.28 | jsmith | Ah, I see... |
| 03:33.43 | Sargun | Where can I get my hands on medium sized cabinets (22U) for under $500? |
| 03:34.15 | jsmith | Anixter? |
| 03:34.24 | jsmith | You need cabinets, or just racks? |
| 03:34.42 | Sargun | cab would be nice, rack is ok |
| 03:34.56 | jsmith | I'd check Anixter first |
| 03:35.03 | Sargun | I need to hold a few patch panels + a switch |
| 03:36.43 | vontrapp | ARGH! |
| 03:36.47 | vontrapp | -lart Y86 |
| 03:40.24 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: You could build your own :p |
| 03:40.53 | Sargun | Can someone kick nick125_lappy |
| 03:40.59 | nick125_lappy | out of plywood |
| 03:41.39 | vontrapp | irmov $4, %ecx |
| 03:41.50 | vontrapp | Error: missing colon |
| 03:42.17 | vontrapp | where the heck is there supposed to be a colon |
| 03:43.17 | levi_home | vontrapp: Yup, gcc can do some tail call optimization. |
| 03:43.36 | QBFreak | is there an easy way to sudo echo foo > /etc/bar ? I know that the redirection takes place outside of the scope of sudo |
| 03:43.38 | levi_home | vontrapp: Do you have label somewhere that's supposed to have a colon after it? |
| 03:44.58 | vontrapp | there's two lines like that. both identical, in different places. diffirent surroundings. it complains about both |
| 03:45.06 | QBFreak | never mind, I found a workaround |
| 03:45.34 | levi_home | vontrapp: Is irmov a valid instruction? |
| 03:46.09 | vontrapp | it's in the book |
| 03:51.35 | vontrapp | bah |
| 03:51.41 | vontrapp | i forgot the l |
| 03:51.45 | levi_home | Indeed. |
| 03:51.45 | vontrapp | irmovl |
| 03:51.56 | levi_home | I was just going to ask if you meant irmovl. |
| 03:52.21 | levi_home | It didn't recognize it as a valid instruction, so it thought it was supposed to be a label. |
| 03:52.43 | levi_home | Thus the error message about not finding a colon. |
| 03:54.48 | vontrapp | yes, indeed |
| 03:55.03 | vontrapp | QBFreak: what's your workaround? |
| 03:55.28 | QBFreak | to not follow the stupid instructions and simply pass the hostname as a parameter to /bin/hostname |
| 03:55.45 | QBFreak | no help in your case (or mine for the future) |
| 03:55.59 | vontrapp | my workaround is su |
| 03:56.10 | vontrapp | darn |
| 03:56.11 | QBFreak | I do know you can put the echo in a script and then sudo the script, but its just as easy to use su if you can :) |
| 03:56.41 | vontrapp | to bad sudo can't take a quoted command like ssh |
| 03:57.12 | vontrapp | and if you can sudo you can sudo su ;) |
| 03:58.03 | QBFreak | ah, that is handy |
| 03:58.31 | levi_home | vontrapp: For my architecture class, we had to write our own assembler and vm and then write programs for it. |
| 03:58.52 | vontrapp | yeah, that's crazy |
| 03:59.46 | levi_home | It's not actually terribly hard, though. |
| 04:00.23 | levi_home | Especially since we had a very simple instruction set and didn't have to try to simulate any fancy processor features like pipelining. |
| 04:00.47 | vontrapp | did you write a compiler for it? |
| 04:01.03 | levi_home | No, that's a separate class. |
| 04:01.17 | levi_home | But the compiler class does target this architecture. |
| 04:01.31 | levi_home | It's kind of SPARC-like. |
| 04:03.42 | Tene | QBFreak: use tee |
| 04:03.56 | Tene | echo foo | sudo tee filename |
| 04:04.35 | QBFreak | ohright, you told me that before didn't you... |
| 04:05.27 | QBFreak | dangit, I'm hungry |
| 04:05.35 | QBFreak | and I don't have a key or a badge to get back in |
| 04:12.14 | Sargun | that's a problem |
| 04:16.02 | QBFreak | and it doesn't help that the AC is set to "Thar be iceburgs in these seas!" |
| 04:22.55 | nick125_lappy | !$!@#%!#@$#@#$!#@%!@$!!!! Someone must be reading my mind and stealing my ideas :/ |
| 04:23.34 | nick125_lappy | http://consumerist.com/consumer/bank-of-america/bank-of-americas-perfect-security-system-actually-vulnerable-to-phishing-251988.php < I thought of that idea months ago! ugh |
| 04:33.04 | Sargun | lol |
| 04:33.13 | Sargun | lol |
| 04:35.32 | nick125_lappy | This is starting to get on my nerves |
| 04:42.36 | Sargun | hi |
| 04:42.43 | Sargun | What is |
| 04:42.58 | nick125_lappy | People stealing my brain waves and ideas! |
| 04:44.34 | nick125_lappy | I'm listening to a fox news clip where they had jack thompson on...it's funny |
| 04:45.17 | Sargun | I'm listening to my ISP's hold music, its funny |
| 04:45.31 | nick125_lappy | My ISP doesn't have hold music |
| 04:45.35 | nick125_lappy | they just pick up the phone |
| 04:48.14 | Sargun | They are calling SBC |
| 04:49.20 | nick125_lappy | My ISP will actually conference call qwest, not put me on hold and leave me waiting |
| 04:52.29 | Sargun | Yeah, my ISP is smart enough to not let me talk to SBC |
| 04:52.32 | Sargun | because they know I would tell "SBC - I cancel my account" |
| 04:52.40 | Sargun | cancelling every sonic.net line |
| 04:53.35 | nick125_lappy | My ISP can actually get people who speak english at Qwest, and they are actually decently smart. |
| 04:54.25 | Sargun | Qwest has those? |
| 04:54.32 | nick125_lappy | They do. |
| 04:54.38 | nick125_lappy | You just have to ask for one |
| 04:54.38 | Sargun | Wow |
| 04:54.42 | Sargun | SBC Doesn't |
| 04:54.51 | nick125_lappy | I'm sorry. |
| 05:04.09 | nick125_lappy | I thought Qwest was bad....heh |
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| 05:43.54 | Tene | http://www.nataliedee.com/091106/hating-stuff-to-make-yourself-look-interesting-is-not-interesting.jpg |
| 05:47.04 | nick125_lappy | lol |
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| 13:02.44 | elg | http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=352fbed53e1cb6511445c9fcc6981cca |
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| 13:27.16 | ^Migs^ | wtf, it's gonna snow today? |
| 13:28.30 | ^Migs^ | oh, this is nice: http://www.woot.com/Blog/BlogEntry.aspx?BlogEntryId=2257 |
| 13:36.19 | elg | $30?! |
| 13:36.23 | elg | That's awesome |
| 13:36.47 | elg | does it seriously only work with windows though? |
| 13:37.58 | ^Migs^ | yeah, unfortunately |
| 13:38.12 | elg | well scratch that |
| 13:38.15 | ^Migs^ | well, unfortunate for non-Windows users. I'm only using Windows right now. |
| 13:38.46 | elg | but I like the idea. I didn't catch though - does it record to your HDD? I doubt it has its own at that price |
| 13:38.58 | ^Migs^ | not sure how it compares with this, though: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814144506 |
| 13:39.11 | ^Migs^ | and yeah, you can use it to record video |
| 13:39.20 | ^Migs^ | or watch live TV, etc. |
| 13:39.35 | ^Migs^ | it IS analog, though |
| 13:39.40 | ^Migs^ | still, only $30 |
| 13:41.52 | elg | yeah, the hd freaks can go blow their money elsewhere |
| 13:43.46 | nick125_lappy | From the look of google, that card is a bttv-compatible card. |
| 13:45.24 | nick125_lappy | According to another site, there's some issues with a newer revision of the card that makes it incompatible with linux (not even sure about osx or fbsd) |
| 13:45.54 | herlo | check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxsUKX6xXyE - Metisse Desktop |
| 13:46.26 | elg | i assume in linux it's just a capture device with hardware encoding and maybe lirc support? |
| 13:46.49 | elg | you'd have to write/use your own software to control it? |
| 13:47.01 | nick125_lappy | I used to have this card, and it worked great: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814122221 |
| 13:47.16 | nick125_lappy | elg: You'd probably have to write your own drivers for it |
| 13:47.25 | ^Migs^ | I'd rather have Beryl than Metisse |
| 13:48.36 | ^Migs^ | although that zoomable desktop is NICE |
| 13:49.11 | nick125_lappy | I liked my TV2000XP better then my PVR-150 |
| 13:49.14 | elg | if I had anything to capture, I'd be looking for a $30 something with hardware encoding |
| 13:49.55 | elg | that works in linux of course |
| 13:50.04 | nick125_lappy | hardware encoding is a bit more expensive then $30 |
| 13:50.55 | elg | nick125_lappy: it looks like that usb thing does, though I didn't look closely and may have been mislead |
| 13:52.13 | nick125_lappy | elg: I didn't see anything on the woot page about hardware encoding |
| 13:53.34 | elg | i was thrown by "Video Formats: MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, DivX" |
| 13:54.36 | elg | when someone is talking about a device and saying stuff like that my first thought is not "the software that comes with this device handles these video formats" but "this device handles these video formats" |
| 13:54.36 | elg | but you're probably right that it probably doesn't do hardware encoding |
| 13:55.11 | elg | its coolness is rapidly diminishing to "alternative to similar PCI card" level |
| 13:55.14 | elg | :) |
| 13:55.30 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I never said I'd buy it. Just that it's neat. |
| 13:55.45 | ^Migs^ | I've never owned a TV card or anything, so it's novel for me |
| 13:55.59 | nick125_lappy | The card I suggested was $1.00 cheaper |
| 13:56.12 | elg | well I certainly wouldn't be buying it. I have one fuzzy channel that I can time shift with my VCR if need be :) |
| 13:56.47 | elg | nick125_lappy: probably does more too, since usb usually tends to be a bit more expensive for the same functionality |
| 13:56.51 | elg | at least in audio stuff |
| 13:56.56 | nick125_lappy | I wish I could get the card to work with this stupid cabal^Wcable box |
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| 14:25.13 | elg | goozbach: http://xkcd.com/c250.html |
| 14:25.14 | brac | [xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe] |
| 14:25.18 | elg | hate to burst your bubble |
| 14:25.19 | elg | ok, no I don't |
| 14:31.10 | herlo | ^Migs^: why beryl over Metisse? |
| 14:34.03 | ^Migs^ | beryl is prettier |
| 14:34.07 | ^Migs^ | imo at least |
| 14:34.16 | ^Migs^ | cooler special effects, at least from the videos I've seen of each |
| 14:34.40 | herlo | ^Migs^: so its more of an opinion |
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| 14:35.18 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 14:35.18 | ibot | stuffs Jayce^ into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
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| 14:37.15 | ibot | ACTION shoots a ionized pseudoelectron gun at Keighvin |
| 14:37.49 | Keighvin | Well, if they're only PSEUDO electrons I'm not worred. |
| 14:37.58 | Keighvin | s/worred/worried/ |
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| 14:56.02 | ^Migs^ | what's a good free podcast server? |
| 14:56.12 | ^Migs^ | I installed the Darwin Streaming Server, but it looks like it requires QuickTime |
| 14:56.30 | ^Migs^ | I need something that doesn't retardedly require the user to have QT installed |
| 15:03.58 | ^Migs^ | the basic requirement here is that it needs to be something that can stream live audio from a classroom |
| 15:04.15 | Keighvin | And sourceforge yields nothing? |
| 15:04.20 | Keighvin | Nor versiontracker? |
| 15:04.51 | mrpull | podcast or just streaming media? |
| 15:05.20 | ^Migs^ | I'm looking at several options right now, but want to know if anyone has used something they can recommend |
| 15:06.05 | ^Migs^ | hmmm. They're using gcast right now, and embedding them in their web pages. We may want to get away from that, and just have streaming media. |
| 15:06.12 | ^Migs^ | I think we're going to need both. |
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| 15:07.09 | mrpull | I think windows media server is free too |
| 15:07.19 | ^Migs^ | maybe I don't know the difference between a podcast and streaming media |
| 15:07.27 | ^Migs^ | what's the difference? |
| 15:07.39 | ^Migs^ | a podcast is just an RSS file to some media content, isn't it? |
| 15:07.49 | mrpull | a podcast implies wrapping in an RSS enclosure |
| 15:07.58 | ^Migs^ | but does the client have to download the media all at once in a podcast? |
| 15:08.09 | mrpull | yes |
| 15:08.21 | ^Migs^ | okay. In that case, yes we need podcasts for now, but also the ability to expand into streaming media. |
| 15:08.35 | ^Migs^ | the idea being that we'll have a webcam in every classroom in our district |
| 15:09.08 | findlay | so you can spy on the kids? |
| 15:09.52 | Keighvin | More like spy on the TILFs to make sure they don't get in any trouble. |
| 15:09.57 | Keighvin | Seems to be a lot of that going on lately. |
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| 15:12.35 | ^Migs^ | well, yeah |
| 15:12.41 | ^Migs^ | it's not spying, it's MONITORING |
| 15:14.16 | findlay | monitoring is for socialists |
| 15:14.46 | Keighvin | Something you should tell us, comrade? |
| 15:14.49 | ^Migs^ | streaming media would need some kind of server, I imagine. I guess I'm looking for something that could allow streaming media, but also somehow allow podcast RSS to be incorporated |
| 15:15.50 | ^Migs^ | and it would need to be archivable, too |
| 15:20.49 | ^Migs^ | okay, boss says we need both. This is gonna be a pain. |
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| 15:22.36 | sjansen | ~praise tailf |
| 15:22.39 | ibot | All hail tailf! |
| 15:28.57 | elg | ^Migs^: winamp did streaming way back when. there's linux stuff that does it too. probably works on osx (not sure what your platform is). getting both podcast and streaming might be a tad difficult, but no more difficult than a special (local) streaming client that makes the podcast |
| 15:29.17 | elg | i'm not sure but I think icecast is one of the key words |
| 15:29.24 | ^Migs^ | we're using Red Hat |
| 15:29.29 | ^Migs^ | actually, we could use any Linux OS |
| 15:29.32 | findlay | icecast is an OSS media caster |
| 15:29.36 | ^Migs^ | we're going to set this up on a Blade server |
| 15:30.05 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 15:31.03 | elg | iirc we used icecast to stream a plug or uug meeting once |
| 15:32.57 | raventh1 | icecast is probably the best solution if you don't want http with some sort of plugin (assuming you mean live streaming) |
| 15:34.54 | ^Migs^ | hmm |
| 15:34.59 | ^Migs^ | ok |
| 15:35.10 | ^Migs^ | what do you mean http with some sort of plugin? |
| 15:37.36 | ^Migs^ | we're going to need to give users some sort of interface to upload their files to. Now I can program that part. Problem is it will likely have to be combined with private podcasts in Moodle. |
| 15:37.43 | ^Migs^ | that's not really relevant. |
| 15:38.29 | ^Migs^ | basically, just need the ability for users to listen to a feed, subscribe to the feed if they choose to, and it can be either direct download OR streaming. I don't see any reason to have direct download, actually. |
| 15:38.42 | elg | streaming isn't a feed |
| 15:38.56 | elg | streaming is a url that you connect to and listen to |
| 15:39.14 | elg | technically you could put said url in a feed item |
| 15:39.38 | elg | but unless you want to post the same feed item day after day with the exact same url, it wouldn't be a recurring thing |
| 15:40.30 | elg | icecast takes various kinds of sources. files on disk, playlists of files on disk, iceS clients feeding it, stdin, audio device |
| 15:41.18 | elg | if icecast supports streaming not-yet-complete files, maybe the best thing is to have a program encoding a file on the fly, and when it reaches a certain length finishing the file and creating a feed item |
| 15:41.22 | elg | and starting the next file |
| 15:41.25 | elg | and icecast following along |
| 15:41.45 | elg | or, you might be able to set up the two independently, both getting input from the sound card |
| 15:42.10 | elg | then you'd be encoding to mp3 or ogg twice for the same stream, but if it's just a few streams it would be ok |
| 15:42.29 | ^Migs^ | okay, I understand |
| 15:43.40 | ^Migs^ | I'm going to set up icecast first, see where that gets me |
| 15:43.46 | ^Migs^ | thanks |
| 15:44.17 | elg | not sure what he means by http with plugin, but many players can "stream" a file over http. e.g. xmms or winamp will play http://example.com/somesong.mp3 and download it only as fast as it plays it |
| 15:45.02 | elg | this is techincally streaming, but different from what is usually meant by streaming and in the end no different than offering files for download (which in fact you are doing, if the user is at all tech savvy) |
| 15:47.27 | ^Migs^ | the only reason I would need streaming, really, is for live audio/video |
| 15:47.39 | ^Migs^ | because it seems like that's considerably more difficult to set up |
| 15:48.15 | ^Migs^ | mostly just the maintenance and coding I'll have to do |
| 15:48.31 | elg | honestly it's probably easier to set up icecast than to figure out a podcast solution |
| 15:50.38 | raventh1 | basically a java plugin or somesort |
| 15:51.00 | raventh1 | I've used a java plugin for a streaming webcam |
| 15:51.15 | raventh1 | so i'm sure you could find something else with a java plugin |
| 15:51.20 | raventh1 | or other languages |
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| 15:51.57 | ^Migs^ | yeah, a java "plugin" would work, for sure |
| 15:52.11 | ^Migs^ | doesn't Sun have something like that, anyway? |
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| 15:53.39 | ^Migs^ | Java might not work. I have to think of all the un-tech-savvy parents out there who simply won't have a clue how to install the JRE |
| 15:53.50 | ^Migs^ | it wouldn't be a problem, but the phone calls come to me |
| 15:54.05 | ^Migs^ | and then I forward them to the new guy, but still |
| 15:57.42 | raventh1 | Yeah, my first choice is still icecast |
| 15:57.51 | ^Migs^ | hahaha, many of the latest bash quotes have been deleted |
| 15:57.52 | raventh1 | you should be able to get everything going with that |
| 15:57.59 | ^Migs^ | yesterday some approve-happy moderator got ahold of them |
| 15:59.31 | ^Migs^ | http://bash.org/?754254 |
| 15:59.32 | brac | [QDB: Quote #754254] |
| 16:02.53 | findlay | ~bash ^Migs^ |
| 16:02.55 | ibot | ACTION beats ^Migs^ with ksh |
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| 16:45.37 | ^Migs^ | http://liukangwins.ytmnd.com/ |
| 16:45.39 | brac | [YTMND - World Cup Kombat] |
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| 16:47.58 | findlay | man, this code is so interdependant it makes it very hard to decouple stuff |
| 16:48.10 | findlay | do you guys ever have code dreams? |
| 16:48.26 | findlay | I had one last night and it wasn't pleasant |
| 16:49.27 | Keighvin | I've had far more than my fair share of code dreams, I think. |
| 16:49.34 | ^Migs^ | yeah. I never like those. |
| 16:50.01 | Keighvin | I remember once waking up in a daze and telling my wife that our alarm clocks would stay off longer if we used them in accordance with such and such relational database principle. |
| 16:51.11 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 16:51.13 | ^Migs^ | mine have never been that bad |
| 16:51.41 | levi | That's scary. |
| 16:51.50 | levi | You guys need to get some healthy hobbies. ;) |
| 16:52.26 | amcnabb | Have any of you ever tried this before? |
| 16:52.29 | findlay | sure, levi |
| 16:53.23 | amcnabb | dd if=/dev/sdg of=/dev/sdh & sleep 30; mount -oro /dev/sdh1 /mnt/weirdfs |
| 16:53.52 | amcnabb | It mounts just fine but gives lots of cool errors. |
| 16:54.09 | levi | Uh. :) |
| 16:54.48 | findlay | I dd'd a partition before and it worked, but only because I knew it had the same geometry |
| 16:55.17 | jsmith | amcnabb: If you use dd to copy from one drive to another, you *may* want to set the block size -- otherwise, it copy the drive one block at a time |
| 16:55.18 | findlay | in fact that's the root partition I'm using right now :) |
| 16:55.36 | amcnabb | jsmith: yeah, I was just showing the simple case. |
| 16:55.58 | jsmith | Cool... just wanted to make sure :-) |
| 16:56.05 | elg | ha |
| 16:56.09 | amcnabb | findlay, you shouldn't actually need the same geometry |
| 16:56.22 | elg | os x leopard delayed until october due to the iPhone |
| 16:56.22 | jsmith | elg: What, you don't believe that I'd actually try to be helpful? |
| 16:56.39 | elg | oh i wasn't laughing at you... this time |
| 16:56.41 | elg | http://www.apple.com/hotnews/ |
| 16:56.44 | jsmith | That means one thing and one thing only... |
| 16:56.46 | levi | elg: Old news, man. ;) |
| 16:56.50 | elg | yeah, I know |
| 16:56.51 | jsmith | ... the iPhone is a disaster |
| 16:57.01 | elg | i'm not on top of this - I don't really care about leopard |
| 16:57.21 | elg | other than it'd be nice if it would come out while my fellowship can buy it for me :) |
| 16:57.32 | levi | No, it means that they had to expend a bunch of OS X development time to get OS X to work well on the iPhone hardware. |
| 16:57.41 | vontrapp | A you mean you don't get free upgrades? |
| 16:57.57 | elg | well, according to the blurb there ,it's because iPhone sapped the developer resources and leopard won't be ready on time |
| 16:58.08 | vontrapp | ~bless dr. pepper |
| 16:58.12 | ibot | dr. pepper: Live long and prosper! \//, |
| 16:58.13 | levi | What non-free OS provides free major version upgrades? |
| 16:59.32 | dataw0lf | Solaris? |
| 16:59.46 | elg | is that a stab in the dark? |
| 17:00.50 | elg | you have clever math? |
| 17:00.59 | vontrapp | hopefully |
| 17:01.09 | vontrapp | this darn blur thing |
| 17:01.26 | vontrapp | be a heckalot easier if it were greyscale |
| 17:01.46 | elg | what's the assignment? |
| 17:01.54 | vontrapp | aptimize |
| 17:02.05 | vontrapp | s/a/o/ |
| 17:02.12 | elg | optimize what? |
| 17:02.18 | vontrapp | blur |
| 17:02.29 | elg | ? |
| 17:02.37 | findlay | ~blur |
| 17:02.39 | ibot | methinks blur is a stinky band, like the whole incompetents that made music on the 90's. Mediocres |
| 17:02.39 | vontrapp | it's arll a blur |
| 17:02.42 | vontrapp | brain shutting down |
| 17:02.49 | vontrapp | ... |
| 17:03.00 | elg | that's easy to optimize. lie down |
| 17:03.06 | elg | the blur will be optimized within moments |
| 17:03.14 | elg | be sure to set your alarm for .5 hours |
| 17:03.20 | vontrapp | but where's the clever math in that? |
| 17:03.21 | levi | Nah, Blur was an awesome band! |
| 17:03.44 | vontrapp | so i chunk it in 4x4 chunks |
| 17:05.31 | vontrapp | then chunk[0][1] = |
| 17:05.35 | vontrapp | um, it's really long |
| 17:06.30 | vontrapp | let's just say that normally a pixel takes 8 adds and a divide |
| 17:07.00 | vontrapp | the end result will still have one divide per pixel |
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| 17:07.10 | vontrapp | so we just talk about adds |
| 17:07.31 | elg | divide by 8? |
| 17:07.42 | vontrapp | so that's 16*8 adds |
| 17:07.46 | vontrapp | divide by 9 |
| 17:07.52 | elg | o right |
| 17:08.17 | vontrapp | 128 adds |
| 17:08.30 | elg | so it's just a matter of reusing the results of intermediate summations |
| 17:08.42 | vontrapp | yeah |
| 17:09.53 | elg | you sum n-1 numbers and you can only use that once. n-2 and you can use it twice, n-3 and you can use it thrice, etc. |
| 17:10.00 | vontrapp | i think in the end i'll have like 6*6 + 16 adds |
| 17:10.23 | vontrapp | that's like 52 |
| 17:10.33 | vontrapp | less than half |
| 17:10.42 | vontrapp | so i guell it works |
| 17:10.45 | vontrapp | ss |
| 17:13.00 | vontrapp | but i need a speedup factor of 8 |
| 17:13.31 | vontrapp | hopefully the loop unrolling involved will add significantly as well |
| 17:17.43 | ^Migs^ | wtf? http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w300/DEATHBYPOPCORN1990/boom8fo8ne6xy.gif |
| 17:19.04 | Keighvin | Notice that "mod" is smirking well en advance. |
| 17:20.25 | elg | ^Migs^: this is why in life you want to be the BOFH and not the luser |
| 17:21.04 | ^Migs^ | ya |
| 17:27.04 | elg | vontrapp: what about subtraction? |
| 17:27.15 | vontrapp | what about it? |
| 17:27.41 | vontrapp | haven't thought that much about it |
| 17:27.44 | elg | same cost as addition right? |
| 17:29.52 | elg | every pixel is the sum of all the pixels, minus itself, divided by 9 |
| 17:29.55 | elg | right? |
| 17:30.26 | vontrapp | including itself |
| 17:30.58 | elg | oh its neighbors, not all the same 8 pixels |
| 17:31.12 | vontrapp | yeah |
| 17:31.38 | vontrapp | so basically, reducing it to 1d space |
| 17:32.25 | vontrapp | givin a b c d e f you want avg(a b c) avg(b c d) avg(c d e) avg(d e f) |
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| 17:33.18 | graphyx | http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/hprajani/phun/disk.jpg |
| 17:33.19 | raventh1 | ibot: i breaka u face |
| 17:33.22 | ibot | You breaka u face? |
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| 17:35.50 | vontrapp | i basically do x = b+c, y = d+e |
| 17:35.50 | vontrapp | then i do w = x+a, x = x+d, z = y+f, y = y+b |
| 17:35.50 | vontrapp | then it's just w/3, x/3, y/3, z/3 |
| 17:36.28 | vontrapp | so in that case it went from 12 adds to 6 adds |
| 17:37.51 | levi | Here's another laugh from my good friend Vorlath: http://my.opera.com/Vorlath/blog/2007/04/17/predictions-for-different-styles-of-programming |
| 17:38.16 | levi | Who is ever spinning further into total crank-dom. |
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| 17:46.18 | elg | hehe |
| 17:48.23 | vontrapp | hmmm, 60 adds in the end |
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| 17:48.45 | vontrapp | but, it also eliminates lotso repeat array accesses |
| 17:48.56 | vontrapp | that's a lot of multiplies |
| 17:49.11 | elg | that's a good point |
| 17:49.33 | elg | you're doing this for 9 pixels right? |
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| 17:50.02 | vontrapp | yeah |
| 17:50.07 | vontrapp | no |
| 17:50.12 | vontrapp | 16 pixels |
| 17:50.17 | levi | Yes! No! Maybe! |
| 17:50.27 | vontrapp | FART! |
| 17:51.03 | elg | so 16 pixels adding up their 8 neighbors and their old value and dividing by 9? |
| 17:51.13 | vontrapp | yeah |
| 17:53.09 | amcnabb | I never realized that you could get status from dd with: kill -USR1 16606 (or whatever the pid is) |
| 17:53.12 | amcnabb | That's pretty cool. |
| 17:53.23 | elg | anyone have any thoughts on camcorders? Is this a good one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16830120090 |
| 17:54.12 | mrpull | elg |
| 17:54.13 | mrpull | : |
| 17:54.19 | elg | mrpull |
| 17:54.20 | elg | : |
| 17:54.37 | mrpull | i've heard people complain that the tape is noisy in that series |
| 17:55.02 | mrpull | but my brother in law has a zr600 and is pleased with it |
| 17:55.18 | mrpull | and payed a lot more than $300 for it 2 or 3 years back |
| 17:55.37 | ^Migs^ | Canons are good brands |
| 17:55.48 | ^Migs^ | I'd buy two |
| 17:55.57 | elg | why don't you do that and send me one? |
| 17:55.59 | emcnabb | elg: the video on my digital camera is great; we're using that instead of getting a camcorder |
| 17:56.05 | ^Migs^ | well, if I had money pouring out the windows, at least |
| 17:56.42 | elg | emcnabb: sound? |
| 17:56.42 | emcnabb | elg: so so |
| 17:56.42 | mrpull | i really like canon point and shoot cameras |
| 17:56.42 | elg | what kind of camera? |
| 17:56.42 | emcnabb | elg: good enough for what we need right now :-) |
| 17:56.42 | mrpull | but don't have an opinion of video cameras |
| 17:56.42 | ^Migs^ | I have a camcorder, but I usually use my digital camera to take video. More convenient. |
| 17:56.43 | elg | the video on my digital camera has no sound and is terrible |
| 17:56.43 | ^Migs^ | it's just a little Sony Cybershot, though. |
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| 17:57.18 | emcnabb | it's a Canon SD900 |
| 17:57.33 | levi | I have some sort of a little Sony digital camcorder, probably roughly like that except not widescreen. |
| 17:57.39 | levi | I don't use it very often. |
| 17:57.50 | mrpull | i like still pictures more than video |
| 17:58.07 | elg | you probably will use it more in a year or two when your kid is running around doing interesting things |
| 17:58.07 | mrpull | dunno why. i can look at snapshots all day... but home videos (even mine) bore me |
| 17:58.19 | elg | sitting there being cute is easy enough to capture with still pictures |
| 17:58.44 | elg | mrpull: they both bore me :) but short videos are more interesting than just pictures |
| 17:59.36 | elg | for some reason my wife would rather put the tax money toward a camcorder than a brick oven. not sure why :) |
| 18:00.28 | ^Migs^ | women are so irrational |
| 18:01.28 | elg | but if I had a camcorder I could make my own bread videos |
| 18:01.31 | elg | ;-) |
| 18:02.39 | ^Migs^ | how exciting |
| 18:02.50 | vontrapp | crap, my algo did nothing right |
| 18:02.59 | ^Migs^ | I think I'm addicted to popcorn |
| 18:03.07 | elg | i think you are too |
| 18:03.14 | vontrapp | now i have to debug this string of 60 adds :( |
| 18:03.18 | ^Migs^ | wow, how did you know? |
| 18:03.36 | elg | vontrapp: is the math solid? |
| 18:03.46 | vontrapp | should be |
| 18:03.52 | elg | vontrapp: I think i've got one with 80 adds if not |
| 18:04.30 | vontrapp | 80 is the l4m.z |
| 18:04.38 | vontrapp | but if it works i guess |
| 18:05.06 | elg | 14m.z? |
| 18:05.23 | vontrapp | l |
| 18:05.44 | vontrapp | -lart lame fonts in which l and 1 look same |
| 18:06.59 | vontrapp | and the tester only shows the last error, which is from a corner |
| 18:07.16 | vontrapp | and i haven't implemented the corners yet :( |
| 18:08.02 | elg | haha |
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| 18:11.38 | brac | Linux XP on a Dell PowerEdge, for example |
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| 18:14.30 | vontrapp | what port is imaps? |
| 18:15.02 | ^Migs^ | I don't know why I never thought of using my PocketPC to play streaming Internet audio before while I work in the yard before. Much better than an ipod. |
| 18:15.10 | vontrapp | i swear gkrellm used to have imaps as an option for remote mb protocol |
| 18:15.12 | ^Migs^ | oops, two befores |
| 18:15.53 | levi | ^Migs^: As long as you're not going to work in the yard for longer that the 45 minutes or so the battery is going to last while doing that. ;) |
| 18:17.35 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 18:17.54 | ^Migs^ | plus it's kind of useless if I have to go anywhere out of range. Then it reverts back to a normal ipod-like device. |
| 18:18.02 | ^Migs^ | But other than that, it's virtually unlimited storage for mp3s. |
| 18:18.26 | ^Migs^ | my battery usually lasts about 3 or 4 hours |
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| 18:19.35 | vontrapp | whats the range? |
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| 18:20.32 | ^Migs^ | I've gone about 300 yards away and still able to see the router. Kind of a cheap little thing. I need a new one. |
| 18:42.47 | atoponce | anyone use tho dojo toolkit here? |
| 18:43.15 | ^Migs^ | if I can't figure out the Google Web Toolkit, I may be using it in a few minutes |
| 18:43.44 | ^Migs^ | I tried DWR, but can't get it to work with my app, for whatever reason |
| 18:43.49 | atoponce | trying to figure out how to access a specific date in the DayPicker widget |
| 18:43.59 | ^Migs^ | okay, well I have no idea how to use it yet |
| 18:44.03 | atoponce | :) |
| 18:44.08 | atoponce | well, you're no help then |
| 18:44.12 | ^Migs^ | no, I'm not |
| 18:48.14 | ^Migs^ | http://www.cuteoverload.com/ Nice video of some bunnies here |
| 18:48.15 | brac | [Cute Overload! :)] |
| 18:48.58 | vontrapp | heh, /me read that "Cute Overlord" |
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| 19:11.13 | sontek_ | Oscon is so expensive :/ |
| 19:12.52 | vontrapp | *g |
| 19:39.12 | vontrapp | bah! it's overflow! |
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| 19:48.17 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: http://www.kolumbus.fi/fishu/trash/skoreagold.jpg |
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| 20:27.54 | beandog | ~pindrop |
| 20:28.02 | beandog | I cant believe its snowing. |
| 20:28.08 | Tene | <3 snow |
| 20:30.22 | levi | <X3 snow. |
| 20:30.35 | vontrapp | where? |
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| 20:30.51 | Keighvin | At least in Sandy and by the airport. |
| 20:30.59 | levi | At the point of the mountain, too. |
| 20:31.52 | bonez39 | if I have several log files..and I want to find one among many....with the string 'church' in it....or all log files with that string...how would I do that with grep |
| 20:32.09 | bonez39 | would it be 'grep -i "church"' or something else? |
| 20:32.28 | Tene | grep -i church logfile1 logfile2 |
| 20:32.30 | Tene | etc. |
| 20:32.39 | bonez39 | let's say there are 30 log files..... |
| 20:32.46 | vontrapp | there's an option to only tell you which files matched instead of all the matching lines |
| 20:32.49 | bonez39 | how do I get it to just look in all the files... |
| 20:32.52 | vontrapp | is that what you want? |
| 20:33.15 | bonez39 | yeah, just which file, not the explicit lines..just which log files...for one user or for many users... |
| 20:33.29 | Tene | bonez39: grep -i church * |
| 20:33.58 | vontrapp | -l |
| 20:34.10 | vontrapp | grep -l -i church * |
| 20:34.12 | Tene | yeah, to just get the filenames that match, use -l |
| 20:34.37 | vontrapp | if you have subdirs that have more files use -r |
| 20:34.39 | levi | http://www.outsightinteractive.com/blog/software_development_lessons_learned_from_go |
| 20:34.57 | vontrapp | remember to keep -i right before the pattern (church) |
| 20:35.10 | bonez39 | so 'grep -l -i -r church * will seach all files, then all subdirectories and those files too, right? |
| 20:35.16 | bonez39 | ok....... |
| 20:35.17 | vontrapp | wait, i guess you don't have to |
| 20:35.20 | vontrapp | that's -e |
| 20:35.36 | vontrapp | bonez39: yeah |
| 20:35.41 | bonez39 | what's the -e for? |
| 20:36.00 | vontrapp | -e says 'this pattern is a regexp' |
| 20:36.00 | brac | fine |
| 20:36.12 | vontrapp | -e |
| 20:36.23 | vontrapp | ok |
| 20:38.17 | beandog | snowing in SLC, too |
| 20:43.07 | Jayce^ | we had a little here, for a few minutes |
| 20:43.10 | ^Migs^ | vontrapp needs this: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/peripherals/greybusters-pink-kiddie-keyboard-has-a-vanity-mirror-251926.php |
| 20:49.53 | bonez39 | how does one troubleshoot a remote system....my machine at home is set up, with sshd running..so that I can log in to it..to transfer files back and forth... |
| 20:50.19 | bonez39 | but I can't ssh to it...only from it to work here........or from some other system with ssh...I can ssh to work, but not to home.. |
| 20:50.23 | vontrapp | i would want the hands glow-in-the-dark and on the home-row |
| 20:51.19 | vontrapp | bonez39: does it have a public ip? |
| 20:52.09 | levi | bonez39: Sounds like you've got a firewall or NAT or something like that set up on your router. |
| 20:53.14 | elg | beandog: murder, she wrote ++ |
| 20:53.19 | beandog | :) |
| 20:53.41 | beandog | tell u whot. |
| 20:53.51 | herlo | beandog: ping |
| 20:53.57 | beandog | herlo: flee |
| 20:54.05 | beandog | whats up |
| 20:54.29 | herlo | beandog: I got a mail yesterday about utwaa.org being declined because the owner didn't respond to the email sent... |
| 20:54.50 | herlo | Reason: Canceled - domain contacts did not respond to verification e-mail |
| 20:55.36 | elg | declined what? |
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| 20:55.39 | beandog | ? |
| 20:55.40 | beandog | thast weird. |
| 20:55.46 | beandog | I know I changed the default settings on mailman a bit |
| 20:55.48 | bonez39 | levi, I have port 22 forwarded....to my machine, which has a static IP ON THAT machine. |
| 20:57.54 | vontrapp | bah |
| 20:58.00 | vontrapp | stupid pointers |
| 20:58.08 | levi | vontrapp: Indeed. |
| 20:58.17 | vontrapp | i have int ary[6][6][3] |
| 20:58.39 | vontrapp | i have funk(int *foo) |
| 20:58.55 | vontrapp | i want to call funk(ary[a][b]) |
| 20:59.10 | vontrapp | not sure what to do with it |
| 20:59.23 | vontrapp | it complains with and without & before ary |
| 21:01.01 | elg | &(ary[a][b])? |
| 21:01.14 | vontrapp | hmmm, maybe |
| 21:01.22 | levi | Ahh, the joys of C. |
| 21:02.02 | levi | Is 'funk' short for 'funkshun'? |
| 21:02.09 | vontrapp | yeah |
| 21:02.21 | vontrapp | isn't that how you name yours? |
| 21:02.56 | vontrapp | "check it out now... the funkshun pointer" |
| 21:03.00 | levi | I'm koding my funkshun en See. |
| 21:03.42 | vontrapp | elg: that didn't work :( |
| 21:04.48 | elg | ary[a]+b perhaps? |
| 21:06.08 | levi | I think I ran into some trouble with arrays like that when doing a graphics program, too. I think I ditched the arrays and switched entirely to pointers. |
| 21:06.41 | elg | (int*)(ary[a])+b ;-) |
| 21:06.53 | vontrapp | &(ary[a]+b) :z |
| 21:07.23 | elg | oh, 3-d array |
| 21:07.33 | elg | well then you want &(ary[a][b][c]) |
| 21:07.40 | vontrapp | now i have to change 70+ lines of it |
| 21:07.46 | elg | or &(ary[a][b][0]) |
| 21:07.52 | elg | or (int*)ar[a][b] |
| 21:07.57 | elg | if ary[a][b] didn't work by itself |
| 21:08.08 | vontrapp | thank goodness for vim |
| 21:08.34 | Lone_Wanderer | I know, it's crazy. |
| 21:08.46 | elg | prof: "I'm _almost_ done..." |
| 21:08.54 | Lone_Wanderer | (the snow) |
| 21:09.18 | elg | at least he discussed the project so I can start thinking about it |
| 21:09.30 | elg | we're simulating cows being driven by cowboys, apparently |
| 21:09.33 | elg | and then grazing |
| 21:09.36 | Lone_Wanderer | awesome |
| 21:09.54 | levi | The relationship between arrays and pointers is one of the more subtly evil parts of C. |
| 21:09.56 | Lone_Wanderer | I want to build an MMO where all the mobs reproduce "naturally" |
| 21:10.01 | elg | not sure exactly what we're supposed to report, but I think something like how far they spread out and/or how long it takes them to be driven from point a to point b |
| 21:10.06 | Lone_Wanderer | and are evolved |
| 21:11.14 | levi | That would be fun. If I ever get around to making my Scheme MUD, you can make them there. ;) |
| 21:12.19 | levi | So, to be really on topic for a change, the new 'completely fair scheduler' for the Linux kernel sounds interesting. |
| 21:12.41 | Tene | levi: what is it? |
| 21:12.52 | Lone_Wanderer | and it'd be awesome to have herd animals that can be domesticated and driven |
| 21:13.17 | findlay | hello |
| 21:13.32 | findlay | linux has a schedule now? |
| 21:13.37 | Lone_Wanderer | hi findlay |
| 21:14.09 | findlay | about time |
| 21:14.14 | levi | Ingo Molnar rewrote the whole scheduler, and it now uses a time-ordered rbtree instead of runqueues. |
| 21:14.54 | mrpull | levi: have they benchmarked it yet? |
| 21:15.29 | elg | very interesting |
| 21:15.36 | elg | ingo knows his stuff |
| 21:16.35 | elg | mrpull: how do you mean? I'm sure ingo has been benchmarking it as he goes along, otherwise how does he know what he's done was worth doing? |
| 21:16.40 | levi | mrpull: I'm sure some preliminary benchmarks were done. He claims much better performance than the default 2.6 scheduler, especially in cases where the heuristics fall down. There are no heuristics in the new scheduler. |
| 21:16.58 | emcnabb | so, I'm going out to Utah in June |
| 21:17.04 | herlo | emcnabb: cool |
| 21:17.09 | elg | fair warning |
| 21:17.12 | emcnabb | I'll have to stop by GL and BYU |
| 21:17.13 | findlay | emcnabb: it's really not that interesting |
| 21:17.16 | elg | get out while you still can |
| 21:17.24 | emcnabb | elg: give people a chance to run, I'm nice like that |
| 21:18.01 | mrpull | elg: benchmark it and compare it to the existing schedulers :) |
| 21:18.43 | elg | mrpull: right |
| 21:19.02 | elg | or do you mean an independent-of-the-kernel-developers benchmark? |
| 21:19.14 | elg | or maybe you mean a nice writeup of a benchmark with pretty graphs |
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| 21:19.38 | mrpull | the pretty graph version is what i'd be interested |
| 21:20.25 | mrpull | after all, i don't care what is happening under the hood if it performs better |
| 21:21.01 | mrpull | emcnabb: i'll be in your neighborhood next week. i hope the crazy weather clears up. |
| 21:21.21 | emcnabb | mrpull: it has been pretty nice here the last day or two |
| 21:21.28 | elg | http://lwn.net/Articles/230501/ |
| 21:21.46 | emcnabb | mrpull: where will you be? |
| 21:22.06 | mrpull | Cary... but i'm going to drive into Charlotte on Thursday |
| 21:22.17 | emcnabb | cool |
| 21:25.38 | mrpull | gosh. has it really been 5 years since the preempt patches went into 2.4 |
| 21:27.14 | mrpull | i was looking for one of the comparison articles from back then and cant believe it has been that long |
| 21:28.23 | findlay | it's the decade of the Linux Desktop! |
| 21:28.39 | mrpull | findlay: you aren't joking there. |
| 21:28.43 | mrpull | it still isn't ready |
| 21:31.20 | mrpull | how is reiserfs coming these days? |
| 21:33.45 | levi | I don't imagine Hans Reiser gets to work on it too much. |
| 21:34.15 | mrpull | the "for life" in BDFL may take on a new meaning for hiim |
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| 21:38.00 | Tene | http://www.karppinen.fi/2007/04/17/turning-a-feature-into-a-flaw/ |
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| 21:52.56 | findlay | Tene: that's funny |
| 21:54.53 | elg | what the? etch was released a week and a half ago and I just now figured it out? |
| 21:55.36 | findlay | heh |
| 22:01.58 | elg | Tene: thanks for ruining my day |
| 22:02.11 | Tene | elg: eh? |
| 22:02.17 | Tene | how did I do that? |
| 22:02.26 | elg | now any hope that we had that ipv6 would ever be adopted is completely smashed by the hyperhysteria atmosphere we live in |
| 22:07.08 | findlay | I can't stop |
| 22:10.07 | rsimpkins | Can anyone recommend a FOSS MS Publisher or Print Shop like program? |
| 22:10.21 | findlay | scribus |
| 22:10.25 | Tene | rsimpkins: I'm not familiar with either of those packages enough to really know what they do. |
| 22:11.08 | findlay | ~find scribus |
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| 22:12.15 | rsimpkins | Tene: You have never used print shop? |
| 22:12.23 | Tene | rsimpkins: I have never used print shop. |
| 22:12.27 | vontrapp | nor have i |
| 22:12.30 | rsimpkins | Tene: You can use it to make birthday cards, signs, announcements etc. |
| 22:12.33 | Tene | rsimpkins: was I unclear in some way? |
| 22:12.39 | vontrapp | what is it? why should i use it? |
| 22:12.51 | findlay | rsimpkins: scribus is the program for you |
| 22:12.52 | rsimpkins | It was really popular in the mid/early 90s. |
| 22:12.56 | rsimpkins | findlay: thanks. |
| 22:12.58 | findlay | or LaTeX! |
| 22:13.15 | rsimpkins | I just don't know that many people who have never used print shop. |
| 22:13.32 | rsimpkins | In my mind it's one of those standard old-schools apps - like DOS. :) |
| 22:13.53 | findlay | LaTeX should be good enough for anyone for anything |
| 22:13.55 | Tene | rsimpkins: I was born in '85 |
| 22:14.26 | findlay | besides 3.0 is coming out Real Soon! |
| 22:14.44 | findlay | now you can use CM for everything! |
| 22:14.47 | goozbach | good ole print shop |
| 22:14.51 | findlay | about time |
| 22:15.46 | levi | So, this code I'm digging through is a perfect example of why C really sucks. |
| 22:15.53 | rsimpkins | goozbach: I guess it is one of those 'age' things? ;) |
| 22:18.09 | levi | At its core, there are some really neat routines that automate all the nasty work of parsing actual protocol messages. But actually using those routines requires so much boilerplate code that the intent of the code is completely masked. |
| 22:22.23 | jsmith | levi: Sounds awful. |
| 22:23.13 | elg | rsimpkins: they's is just too yung |
| 22:23.18 | levi | jsmith: Well, it makes for a steep learning curve, but once I learn all the boilerplate it should be easy to extend. |
| 22:23.59 | levi | However, a language with reasonable abstraction facilities would have removed all the boilerplate garbage. |
| 22:24.05 | elg | scribus is to print shop as book publishing is to construction paper |
| 22:24.28 | elg | scribus is desktop publishing. print shop is greeting card and calendar making |
| 22:24.39 | levi | elg: That may be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on what you're trying to do. |
| 22:24.44 | elg | yup |
| 22:24.48 | elg | i love scribus |
| 22:24.49 | levi | By the way, they still sell Print Shop. |
| 22:24.56 | elg | but I wouldn't compare it to print shop |
| 22:25.01 | levi | I found my mom has it installed on her new Windows laptop. |
| 22:25.43 | levi | It's probably rather different than the one I used to run on the old Apple, but it's got the same name at least. |
| 22:25.59 | findlay | well, it's the only thing I could think of |
| 22:26.08 | findlay | it might do what rsimpkins wants |
| 22:26.26 | Tene | http://photos.napalm.net/clubsi/wowmount.jpg |
| 22:26.27 | elg | it would of course do it |
| 22:26.37 | elg | it just might take more effort than he'd be used to with print shop :) |
| 22:26.44 | elg | unless someone has a template for what he's trying to do |
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| 22:27.06 | Keighvin | ~lart ActivePerl |
| 22:27.06 | ibot | turns ActivePerl into a lifesized tux doll |
| 22:28.17 | levi | Tene: classy girl\ |
| 22:28.45 | Tene | findlay: don't look at that image. it might give you a seizure. |
| 22:28.55 | rsimpkins | My wife is trying to make a matchup game for our kids - so low tech is good, but I can just photoshop it together worst case. |
| 22:29.21 | elg | rsimpkins: there's always tuxpaint :) |
| 22:29.43 | elg | scribus will be fine for that. you just need to put images on a piece of paper it's not hard to do in scribus |
| 22:30.25 | elg | another day draws to a close and still no programming assignment |
| 22:30.46 | elg | vontrapp is getting ready to take finals |
| 22:30.58 | elg | and I don't have my first programming assignment. how od |
| 22:33.01 | levi | Heh. |
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| 22:48.03 | vontrapp | -chat about finals |
| 22:48.04 | brac | finals was |
| 22:48.16 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.math.tamu.edu/~cyan/Rota/mitless.html just convinced me to major in math |
| 22:48.17 | brac | [Ten lessons] |
| 22:48.21 | Lone_Wanderer | assuming I don't become a helicopter pilot |
| 22:48.39 | Lone_Wanderer | which seems likely given what I've heard about the professional aspects of it. |
| 22:50.22 | mrpul1 | Lone_Wanderer: perhaps you could be a nuke engineer on a navy sub? ;) |
| 22:50.33 | Tene | Anyone in here know much about ghc and debian? |
| 22:50.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Good plan! |
| 22:51.19 | mrpul1 | Tene: ghc is a tla i haven't come across yet |
| 22:51.20 | Lone_Wanderer | err, private license rather |
| 22:51.40 | Lone_Wanderer | So they spend a ton of money on what they think will be a career and end up having a really expensive hobby instead. |
| 22:51.42 | Supaplex | Tene: all but the haskel part. ;) |
| 22:51.52 | Supaplex | haskell** |
| 22:52.45 | vontrapp | what's the unary ** do? |
| 22:52.53 | Tene | mrpul1: glasgow haskell compiler |
| 22:53.18 | Tene | I'm trying to compile some ghc-based software, but I'm being told: |
| 22:53.20 | Supaplex | just nevermind that, it was a typo. I meant: Tene: all but the haskell part. ;) |
| 22:53.33 | Tene | Setup: cannot satisfy dependency network-any |
| 22:54.02 | Tene | and now I realize that I should just check the configure scripts and such to see what it's checking for. |
| 23:11.09 | elg | Lone_Wanderer: why? |
| 23:12.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Why what? |
| 23:13.53 | Lone_Wanderer | elg^^ |
| 23:14.55 | elg | why does it convince you to major in math? |
| 23:15.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, read the last lesson. |
| 23:15.18 | Lone_Wanderer | I was thinking about it anyway. |
| 23:15.30 | vontrapp | twas horrible grammar and very scatterbrained in places |
| 23:15.40 | vontrapp | i couldn't keep reading it |
| 23:15.50 | Lone_Wanderer | I think that's a result of OCR. |
| 23:15.51 | vontrapp | makes me scared of learning too much math |
| 23:15.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Or something. |
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| 23:17.50 | levi | I wish I had taken more math classes. :) |
| 23:18.17 | levi | And speaking of class, it is now time for me to take off, study for an exam, and then take it. |
| 23:18.35 | Lone_Wanderer | That's what he said. Or rather, he said that he talks to a lot of students who wish they'd taken more math classes, but never to anyone who wishes they hadn't wasted time on it. |
| 23:18.38 | Lone_Wanderer | later |
| 23:18.47 | elg | Lone_Wanderer: I agree that it's better to have a sound theoretical basis than practical basis |
| 23:18.54 | elg | and that it's hard to get too much math in college |
| 23:19.06 | elg | but it cuts both ways |
| 23:19.27 | vontrapp | yay! i only have the remainder from the 4x4 blocks left! |
| 23:19.30 | elg | I know a Math PhD here who's back in grad school getting an engineering phd because there just isn't anything to do |
| 23:19.47 | elg | short of being a bigwig MIT professor, and not everyone can do that :) |
| 23:19.52 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm not planning on getting my graduate degree in math. |
| 23:19.55 | elg | he'll make a good engineer, no doubt |
| 23:20.00 | elg | but it was a long road |
| 23:20.20 | Lone_Wanderer | I want to get my BS in math and then go to graduate school in something else. |
| 23:20.20 | elg | you'll have to catch up |
| 23:20.23 | elg | but you'll have solid math |
| 23:20.33 | elg | if you do it the other way, you won't have to catch up but you might struggle with math |
| 23:20.40 | elg | I'd call it a toss up |
| 23:20.46 | raventh1 | yeah and most struggle with math imo |
| 23:20.56 | raventh1 | at least in my experience |
| 23:21.13 | elg | go for whatever will keep your interest as an undergrad, unless you feel that you have the discipline to make it through what doesn't interest you as much |
| 23:21.19 | elg | (and if what interests you is math, go for it) |
