| 00:28.24 | synic | ~validate synic |
| 00:28.26 | synic | awh damn. |
| 00:28.26 | synic | er.. oops. |
| 00:28.26 | synic | I meant darn and stuff. |
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| 01:45.13 | nick125_lappy | Muwhahahahah |
| 01:45.15 | nick125_lappy | I feel evil |
| 01:46.17 | nick125_lappy | My friend and myself were getting tired of getting junk mail, so, we took the ones with the business reply envelopes, grabbed a box, filled it with rocks, and shipped it off. |
| 02:06.54 | vontrapp | is there a predator movie about a subway? |
| 02:09.10 | elg | isn't that a commercial? that guy with the funny grin who walks to subways all around the country preying on their sandwiches? |
| 02:13.51 | elg | hrm. osx apparently periodically cleans out /tmp |
| 02:13.53 | elg | lame |
| 02:14.47 | mrpul1 | doesn't the FHS say you shouldn't rely on stuff in /tmp being there the next time you look |
| 02:15.30 | mrpul1 | in fact, i think the recommendation is clean it up at each boot |
| 02:15.42 | vontrapp | FHS? |
| 02:15.56 | mrpul1 | filesystem hierarchy standard (SP?) |
| 02:16.06 | vontrapp | esp if /tmp lives in a tmpfs |
| 02:16.27 | vontrapp | i don't think he wants it between boots, though |
| 02:18.26 | mrpul1 | i guess OSX doesn't really try to conform to the FHS though |
| 02:19.30 | vontrapp | it could be a problem though if it's periodically clearing out files and programs are still using files |
| 02:20.07 | elg | mrpul1: yes, I was dumb to put it there |
| 02:20.14 | elg | I figured it was safe |
| 02:20.18 | elg | until reboot |
| 02:20.24 | elg | but I have an uptime of 24 days and the file is gone |
| 02:20.33 | elg | the directory isn't, but the contents are |
| 02:20.57 | elg | vontrapp: you should always assume anything in /tmp can and will disappear at any moment |
| 02:21.02 | elg | when you're writing software |
| 02:21.10 | elg | if you have a file handle obviously the file is still there, though unnamed |
| 02:21.34 | elg | but I thought I knew my system's behavior. I thought it didn't clean up between boots |
| 02:21.58 | elg | i suppose I'm glad though - then I won't have to worry about periodically removing stuff in /tmp so I don't get cruft |
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| 03:39.12 | Michael2031 | does anyone here know the SHA1 algorythm |
| 03:39.18 | Michael2031 | *algorithm |
| 03:48.01 | elg | it does hashing |
| 03:51.56 | Newsome | securely |
| 03:52.08 | Newsome | and algorithmically |
| 04:02.06 | levi_home | The last couple of weeks before the end of a semester always seem to suck, schoolwork-wise. |
| 04:17.54 | wps | how would I get the current date (so that I can assign it to a variable) in a shell script? |
| 04:20.36 | ScytheBlade1 | wps, date=`date` |
| 04:20.37 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 04:21.45 | wps | ah, and I just found this: |
| 04:21.46 | wps | $(date +"%x_%R") |
| 04:21.57 | wps | which gives me: "04/16/07_22:21" |
| 04:22.01 | wps | which is very nice |
| 04:22.11 | wps | I am going to use it to append to a file name |
| 04:22.20 | wps | file.txt.04/16/07_22:21 |
| 04:22.58 | wps | is a colon going to cause problems in a filename? |
| 04:32.58 | wps | never mind, I just changed it to |
| 04:33.01 | wps | $(date +"%y-%m-%d_%H-%M-%S") |
| 04:33.04 | wps | which is better anyway |
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| 05:39.16 | justingiboney | in ubuntu, can I type accent marks with a simple keystroke? |
| 05:42.10 | levi_home | OK, where's Jesse? |
| 05:42.14 | levi_home | "Perl OpenGL code is more portable than C; therefore there are fewer lines of code" |
| 05:42.29 | levi_home | more portable == fewer lines of code ?! |
| 05:45.00 | justingiboney | i am guessing that you just woke up and started typing whatever you were dreaming about? |
| 05:45.50 | levi_home | No, just catching up on blogs. |
| 05:46.03 | levi_home | Sorry, I don't know how to type fancy characters in ubuntu. |
| 05:46.25 | justingiboney | that's okay I thought it was hilarious |
| 05:56.34 | nick125_lappy | Portability doesn't really have much to do with LOC...... |
| 05:56.37 | nick125_lappy | If at all.. |
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| 13:04.34 | graphyx | cool video of a large explosion. |
| 13:04.40 | graphyx | nice shock wave |
| 13:04.43 | graphyx | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d12_1176503726 |
| 13:04.44 | brac | [LiveLeak.com - Civillian EOD cotractors detonating a 100 tons] |
| 13:05.12 | ^Migs^ | site blocked for pornography |
| 13:05.51 | graphyx | wow |
| 13:06.03 | graphyx | websense didn't block it here |
| 13:42.49 | ^Migs^ | http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=456&sid=1117166 |
| 13:42.54 | ^Migs^ | A woman arrested for shoplifting has blamed the crime on irritable bowel syndrome, authorities said. Helen Gallo, 61, of Clearwater, was arrested Sunday after allegedly shoplifting from a Cape Coral grocery store |
| 13:44.32 | nick125_lappy | Uhh |
| 13:54.05 | ^Migs^ | cool, it's free cone day at Ben & Jerry's |
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| 14:03.52 | dna3e8 | hay |
| 14:04.31 | ^Migs^ | they named the shooter |
| 14:04.36 | ^Migs^ | Police identified the classroom shooter as Cho Seung-Hui, 23, a senior from South Korea who was in the English department at Virginia Tech and lived in a different dorm on campus. Cho committed suicide after the attacks, and there was no indication Tuesday of any possible motive. |
| 14:04.44 | ^Migs^ | "He was a loner, and we're having difficulty finding information about him," school spokesman Larry Hincker said. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8OID5RG0&show_article=1 |
| 14:05.34 | graphyx | now let all the psychobabble about what would have caused him to do it |
| 14:06.05 | ^Migs^ | maybe he was upset because he got an A- in math |
| 14:06.18 | graphyx | politicians proposing new methods (or just old rehashed ones) of detecting/preventing this and stating that only by putting them in power will these things happen. |
| 14:06.33 | ^Migs^ | bah |
| 14:07.20 | graphyx | it is bound to happen |
| 14:07.20 | ^Migs^ | I sometimes hate how our government only tries to take preventive measures AFTER the fact |
| 14:07.20 | ^Migs^ | why not use some common sense and preempt stuff like this? |
| 14:07.20 | graphyx | since in is all over the news the politicians will jump on it because they are attracted to the attention. |
| 14:07.31 | graphyx | like flies to a steaming pile of horse manure. |
| 14:07.39 | ^Migs^ | but still, I don't think you can truly PREVENT some insane person from wanting to kill others |
| 14:07.48 | graphyx | that is true |
| 14:08.22 | graphyx | the whole, if I put my hands in my pocket, I could be arrested for concealing a weapon joke does have some validity to it |
| 14:08.36 | graphyx | there are tons of ways to kill people with just your hands. |
| 14:11.12 | ^Migs^ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre |
| 14:11.59 | dna3e8 | how do is a user adde tot he sudoer list| |
| 14:13.02 | ^Migs^ | whoa |
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| 14:13.17 | ^Migs^ | you just effectively butchered the English language |
| 14:13.42 | ^Migs^ | I think English just devolved 100 years with that statement |
| 14:14.30 | dna3e8 | How is a user added to the sudoer list| |
| 14:14.54 | dna3e8 | (sry my Q mark is mismapped) |
| 14:15.00 | dataw0lf | visudo |
| 14:15.12 | dna3e8 | command not found |
| 14:15.22 | raventh1 | su - |
| 14:15.29 | raventh1 | vim /etc/sudoers |
| 14:15.36 | dataw0lf | no |
| 14:15.38 | dataw0lf | use visudo |
| 14:15.43 | graphyx | is there a emacssudo command for the vi handicapped individuals? |
| 14:15.47 | dataw0lf | do not edit the sudoers file directly |
| 14:16.18 | dataw0lf | graphyx: just set VISUAL/EDITOR |
| 14:16.27 | graphyx | I was joking |
| 14:16.46 | dataw0lf | oh |
| 14:16.53 | graphyx | lol |
| 14:16.55 | dataw0lf | I never know with emacs people |
| 14:17.00 | dna3e8 | still not found.. |
| 14:17.07 | dataw0lf | 'emacs is the greatest!' 'are you ... joking?' |
| 14:17.08 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 14:17.13 | dataw0lf | dna3e8: what distro? |
| 14:17.18 | graphyx | dna3e8: Are you root? |
| 14:17.29 | raventh1 | if you have su, there isn't really that big of a risk, especially if you're the only user |
| 14:17.33 | dna3e8 | using fedora yes i am root |
| 14:17.37 | graphyx | you have to be in order to edit the file (In a properly secured implementation) |
| 14:17.53 | dataw0lf | raventh1: why teach bad habits? |
| 14:18.14 | dataw0lf | that's how people nuke boxes |
| 14:18.33 | raventh1 | dude you can't nuke a box by editing your sudoers file |
| 14:18.38 | raventh1 | you can nuke sudo |
| 14:18.56 | raventh1 | to which if you have su (or root password) it can be fixed |
| 14:19.06 | dataw0lf | I wasn't saying that editing sudoers could nuke your box |
| 14:19.09 | raventh1 | the only time it'll get fucked up is if you are editing it at the same time as someone else |
| 14:19.10 | dna3e8 | (i am adding a startup command to start a vent sever and the user need to be able to renice..) |
| 14:19.13 | graphyx | he meant teaching bad habits can lead people to nuking their boxes. |
| 14:19.18 | dataw0lf | being sloppy and not doing things the right way, YOU CAN nuke your box |
| 14:19.22 | dataw0lf | raventh1: language |
| 14:20.11 | raventh1 | ok, might as well not use windows or linux, because you'll break it |
| 14:20.16 | raventh1 | or do anything in life |
| 14:20.25 | raventh1 | because YOU CAN die |
| 14:20.38 | dataw0lf | now you're just taking it to extremes. |
| 14:20.47 | dataw0lf | If you teach someone the right way the first time, that'll be how they do it. |
| 14:20.52 | dataw0lf | And there's no reason NOT to use visudo. |
| 14:20.58 | dataw0lf | it's not like it's super hard. |
| 14:21.10 | dna3e8 | .. unless is isn't there... |
| 14:21.34 | dataw0lf | teaching bad habits because you're lazy and/or don't know what you're talking about, hurts everyone. |
| 14:21.37 | dataw0lf | dna3e8: install it |
| 14:21.49 | dna3e8 | lol.... |
| 14:22.32 | dataw0lf | I have visudo on a default install of RHEL 4 and FC4 |
| 14:22.55 | dataw0lf | perhaps your PATH is set incorrectly. |
| 14:23.29 | dna3e8 | i am checking to see if it is installed.. it may not be since this is ..human install... |
| 14:24.02 | graphyx | raventh1: in fact life is a terminal problem. We are all going to die! |
| 14:25.58 | graphyx | I just love it when people reply to all to chastise others for replying to all! |
| 14:26.31 | graphyx | is apt-get part of the fc default image now? |
| 14:26.56 | graphyx | it didn't used to be, but then again I haven't touched fc since fc2 |
| 14:27.06 | dna3e8 | ... i use yum... i need to learn get apt |
| 14:27.22 | dataw0lf | graphyx: that'd be amusing since yum just fairly recently started getting good. |
| 14:27.41 | dataw0lf | I only use RHEL / FC at work |
| 14:27.48 | dna3e8 | apt-get not found... |
| 14:28.33 | dna3e8 | yum .. nothing to do.. |
| 14:28.50 | dna3e8 | what is the pach to visudo |
| 14:28.55 | dna3e8 | *path |
| 14:29.46 | dataw0lf | /usr/sbin/visudo |
| 14:30.07 | dataw0lf | http://www.lifehacker.com/software/firefox/ |
| 14:31.04 | dna3e8 | I have a#path problem since it IS there.. |
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| 14:33.27 | dataw0lf | dna3e8: ok, vim ~/.bashrc |
| 14:33.33 | ^Migs^ | oh man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liviu_Librescu |
| 14:33.41 | ^Migs^ | the professor who held off the shooter was a holocaust survivor |
| 14:33.46 | dataw0lf | add PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin |
| 14:33.56 | dataw0lf | and an export PATH |
| 14:33.58 | dna3e8 | grr vim... |
| 14:34.41 | dna3e8 | add PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin |
| 14:34.53 | dna3e8 | opps wrong window.. |
| 14:35.30 | dataw0lf | no, don't just paste 'add' in their |
| 14:35.34 | dataw0lf | there* |
| 14:35.36 | dataw0lf | that was a verb |
| 14:35.40 | dataw0lf | add these lines: |
| 14:35.46 | dataw0lf | PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin |
| 14:35.47 | dataw0lf | export PATH |
| 14:36.07 | dna3e8 | .... sry having WOW withdrawls.. |
| 14:36.38 | dataw0lf | http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20070414/bob8.asp |
| 14:36.49 | brac | [Taken for a Spin: Science News Online, April 14, 2007] |
| 14:36.51 | dataw0lf | dna3e8: heh. |
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| 14:37.11 | graphyx | dna3e8: just stay dry and the tremmers will go away. |
| 14:37.35 | dna3e8 | server should be up at noon... |
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| 14:38.21 | ^Migs^ | I wonder how long it will take for a movie of the VT shooting to come out |
| 14:38.33 | ^Migs^ | so filmmakers can get rich |
| 14:39.13 | dataw0lf | well, let's see, it took 9/11, what, 3 years? |
| 14:39.51 | dataw0lf | So if R = P * D |
| 14:40.16 | dataw0lf | Where R equals Release Time To Wait, and P equals Public Outcry, and D equals Amount of Dead... |
| 14:40.37 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 14:40.42 | ^Migs^ | we need to quantify public outcry |
| 14:41.09 | dataw0lf | Amount of time Bill O'Reilly and Al Sharpton talk about it? |
| 14:41.28 | ^Migs^ | don't forget the politicians using it to further their agendas |
| 14:41.32 | dataw0lf | well we'd have to figure out how many black people died to correctly quantify the Sharpton time |
| 14:41.41 | graphyx | dataw0lf: nice formula. |
| 14:42.16 | dataw0lf | thanks |
| 14:42.44 | dataw0lf | Y'know, while the police response kinda sucked |
| 14:42.50 | dataw0lf | What else were they supposed to do? |
| 14:43.01 | dataw0lf | They were told by numerous witnesses at the first two killings that it was a domestic dispute |
| 14:45.22 | graphyx | Well the truth be told, since people can gain public attention by blaming someone and calling out for something to happen to those that had the nerve to not do something about this and allowed the gunman to start up again in 2 hours, there will be an intense scrutiny about how they handled it. |
| 14:46.44 | dataw0lf | I want to go on TV and blame the victims for not bringing the guy down. |
| 14:46.50 | ^Migs^ | perhaps people expect too much |
| 14:46.51 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 14:47.22 | ^Migs^ | that shouldn't be funny |
| 14:47.26 | graphyx | However, if they had set up a blockade and the guy decided to not go out shooting or wasn't picked up, there would have been a minor outcry against them for having taken action. |
| 14:47.42 | dataw0lf | there's always someone willing to blame another |
| 14:48.16 | dataw0lf | they're campus police, they're used to ticketing people for not wearing helmets and smoking joints in parks |
| 14:48.16 | ^Migs^ | I think people expect some sort of Minority Report-like scenario, where the police can always preempt any future killing |
| 14:48.29 | dna3e8 | now that i have edited visudo... how do i quit and SAVE it |
| 14:48.37 | graphyx | dataw0lf: Some have already started to quote some administrator there who said that everyone should feel safer now that guns were forbidden to be brought on campus. |
| 14:48.40 | dataw0lf | :wq |
| 14:48.45 | dataw0lf | dna3e8 ^^ |
| 14:49.09 | graphyx | He said that in Jan sometime in regard to a new law that outlawed guns on campus Even concealed carry permits. |
| 14:49.30 | ^Migs^ | that's absurd |
| 14:49.43 | dataw0lf | it's fairly logical to say that, if you ban guns, the only people who'll have guns are criminals. |
| 14:49.51 | ^Migs^ | and police, who are slow to respond |
| 14:49.54 | dataw0lf | I mean, it might lower spur-of-the-moment type violence |
| 14:50.02 | ^Migs^ | I think people just need to get over their fear of guns |
| 14:50.13 | dataw0lf | Personally, I think we should require training for handgun and assault rifle licenses. |
| 14:50.25 | ^Migs^ | that should be taught in our public schools |
| 14:50.27 | ^Migs^ | well, maybe not |
| 14:50.30 | dataw0lf | but if you complete training *shrug* |
| 14:50.34 | ^Migs^ | gosh, that was a terrible idea |
| 14:50.49 | dna3e8 | grrr VI GRRR |
| 14:50.57 | ^Migs^ | RARRR dna3e8 |
| 14:50.59 | Lone_Wanderer | 3E8? |
| 14:51.00 | ^Migs^ | RARRR |
| 14:51.09 | graphyx | dna3e8: it has a bit of a learning curve. |
| 14:51.26 | graphyx | You have to hit <escape> then :wq |
| 14:51.27 | dna3e8 | ha ha |
| 14:51.44 | dna3e8 | missed the : |
| 14:51.54 | dataw0lf | I think vim should be taught in public schools |
| 14:52.07 | graphyx | sure |
| 14:52.26 | ^Migs^ | surprisingly, I'm inclined to agree |
| 14:52.43 | dna3e8 | >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 91 <<< |
| 14:52.43 | dna3e8 | and it is asking "what now|" |
| 14:52.46 | graphyx | but where would they find a teacher that would be able to teach both vi and emacs to prevent the whole vi versus emacs politics? |
| 14:52.47 | ^Migs^ | plenty of public schools already teach programming, moreso than they did when I was in school. Why not expand that further and teach Linux, server administration, etc. |
| 14:53.00 | graphyx | dna3e8: You messed up syntax |
| 14:53.04 | dna3e8 | or VI class avalable.. |
| 14:53.11 | dataw0lf | graphyx: emacs has no basis in public school. |
| 14:53.14 | graphyx | You can post it on a pastebin and ask for help with the syntax |
| 14:53.21 | ^Migs^ | enough kids already come out of high school being Linux gurus, but they have to learn it on their own. It should be part of the curriculum |
| 14:53.51 | dataw0lf | I think every kid in high school should have one independent study course every semester, required. |
| 14:54.03 | Lone_Wanderer | You're not thinking like an academic, ^Migs^! |
| 14:54.09 | elg | the prof promised the lab up yesterday, and once again it's not :) |
| 14:54.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Let me help you out. |
| 14:54.19 | dataw0lf | elg: maybe he's senile? |
| 14:54.20 | elg | this is getting more than a litle amusing |
| 14:54.49 | dataw0lf | is more than a little just under pretty? |
| 14:54.49 | Lone_Wanderer | The formula for thinking like an academic is - Did I have to do it when I was in school? Was it a painful, miserable experience? Then my students have to do it as well. |
| 14:54.52 | elg | no, just overly careful |
| 14:54.58 | ^Migs^ | agreed |
| 14:54.59 | dataw0lf | what clas? |
| 14:55.01 | dataw0lf | class? |
| 14:55.20 | elg | computer systems modeling and simulation |
| 14:55.27 | Lone_Wanderer | So, teaching kids Linux in classes would be the wrong way to go about it, unless you can make it painful. |
| 14:55.40 | Lone_Wanderer | More painful than learning it on their own. |
| 14:55.46 | dataw0lf | elg: ew |
| 14:55.57 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: just subscribe them to the Debian users list |
| 14:56.00 | elg | it's a pretty cool subject actually |
| 14:56.08 | dataw0lf | elg: never took it. |
| 14:56.12 | elg | lots of stats and dealing with time and stuff |
| 14:57.01 | elg | but we've only done stat theory so far, he keeps putting off posting the labs. supposed to be two big projects - the same project done once in simulink (to which none of us have really been exposed before) and once in $language |
| 14:57.09 | dna3e8 | (*^#$&(*&#@)@ VIM i hit the wrong key and it exploded... |
| 14:57.25 | elg | we now have < 3 weeks left in the semester and the lab has yet to be posted |
| 14:57.35 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 14:57.46 | Lone_Wanderer | dna3e8: Take the tutorial. |
| 14:57.50 | Lone_Wanderer | You have love weeks left? |
| 14:57.58 | Lone_Wanderer | I like the sound of that. |
| 14:58.09 | elg | not unless that was a broken heart |
| 14:58.13 | Lone_Wanderer | "Finals are over, now it's just the love weeks remaining." |
| 14:59.03 | Lone_Wanderer | "If you have a crush on anyone and you haven't told them yet, NOW IS THE TIME." |
| 14:59.31 | dna3e8 | i did once... but don't use VIm enough to remember so every time i HAVE to use VIM i should spend 3hr going through Tutorial agin.. |
| 14:59.33 | elg | hehe |
| 14:59.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Which is pretty much the story of my life. First day of class: "That girl's cute, maybe I'll say hi after class." |
| 14:59.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Last day of class: "Okay, seriously, today I'm going to talk to the cute girl..." |
| 14:59.48 | elg | dna3e8: You should probably export EDITOR=nano then |
| 15:00.10 | Lone_Wanderer | dna3e8: Get a cheat sheet and keep it in a file nearby, then you can pull it out when you need it. |
| 15:01.50 | dataw0lf | y'know, I think this is going to be a good year |
| 15:02.08 | dataw0lf | I've only been in ambulance once, and it's nearly half over |
| 15:02.24 | dataw0lf | s/in/in an/ |
| 15:02.31 | dna3e8 | i did the cheat sheet but lose it.. guess 30min looking for it is better then 3h ... <smirk> MS word is easier </smirk> |
| 15:02.58 | dataw0lf | dna3e8: people say that about committing suicide too |
| 15:03.38 | sontek | dna3e8: use abiword =) |
| 15:03.39 | Lone_Wanderer | MS Word is complete and utter crap. |
| 15:03.46 | Lone_Wanderer | If you're going to be a wussy, use pico. |
| 15:03.52 | ^Migs^ | I'm so sick of the welfare white trash family that moved in. They have a gate in their backyard, that everyone used to use to get to the neighbors on the other side of the block. My daughter has a friend back there, and she was in tears yesterday because they put a padlock on it. They effectively cut off our neighbors from the rest of us. |
| 15:04.10 | Lone_Wanderer | ...go around |
| 15:04.19 | ^Migs^ | it's 7 blocks |
| 15:04.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Cry more. |
| 15:04.29 | Lone_Wanderer | It's their property. |
| 15:04.33 | ^Migs^ | and my kids aren't allowed to leave the street |
| 15:04.35 | dataw0lf | yea, sure is. |
| 15:04.44 | dataw0lf | I don't see why them being a welfare white trash family is relevant. |
| 15:04.54 | ^Migs^ | and I'm tired of the white trash family's kids breaking all my kids' toys |
| 15:05.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Don't leave them out. |
| 15:05.24 | Lone_Wanderer | I'd say to go and talk to them about the padlock but given what you seem to think of them, that might not be the best option. |
| 15:05.33 | dataw0lf | it sounds like you've already come to a rather asinine judgement about the family. |
| 15:05.43 | ^Migs^ | asinine? |
| 15:05.54 | ^Migs^ | this is just the latest in their many typical white trash escapades |
| 15:06.16 | dataw0lf | yes, asinine, of, relating to, or resembling an ass |
| 15:06.33 | dna3e8 | GRRR i quit vim wrong!!!! visudo: sudoers file busy, try again later |
| 15:06.36 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 15:06.48 | Lone_Wanderer | I should just copy and paste everything you've said this morning dna3e8 |
| 15:06.48 | dataw0lf | dna3e8: man |
| 15:06.55 | Lone_Wanderer | and save it for comic relief later on |
| 15:07.00 | ^Migs^ | you can't move into our cul-de-sac without expecting to open up your yard to the kids and other neighbors. They actually have a conjoined backyard with their next-door neighbors. The old neighbors used to use that to have volleyball games between households. |
| 15:07.06 | dna3e8 | yes it is in a log fiel i always do... |
| 15:07.06 | dataw0lf | I can't decide whether to laugh or cry |
| 15:07.10 | Lone_Wanderer | not that there's anything wrong with what you're doing, but it's so typical of a new vim user |
| 15:07.29 | Lone_Wanderer | ^Migs^: Apparently you *can* move into your cul-de-sac without that expectation. |
| 15:07.35 | dataw0lf | fuser /etc/sudoers |
| 15:07.41 | dataw0lf | ps aux | grep sudoers |
| 15:07.42 | ^Migs^ | well, nobody likes them. Hopefully they'll get the hint and move out. |
| 15:07.46 | dataw0lf | kill the process |
| 15:07.48 | Lone_Wanderer | So bitter. |
| 15:07.51 | Lone_Wanderer | So angry. |
| 15:07.57 | dataw0lf | actually, the process would probably be 'visudo' |
| 15:08.02 | dataw0lf | ps aux | grep visudo |
| 15:08.25 | ^Migs^ | there was another semi-trashy family that moved a few houses down from us. They had gotten into a huge fight with their apartment landlord so they moved. Little did they know they were moving right across the street from their landlord. |
| 15:08.37 | dna3e8 | VIM = learning Patience |
| 15:08.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Indizzle, grasshoppa |
| 15:09.53 | graphyx | dna3e8: When you are hopelessly lost just hit escape like 5 times and then do :q! and try once more. |
| 15:10.44 | Lone_Wanderer | graphyx: I tried applying that method to emacs once. Not a pretty sight. |
| 15:10.44 | dna3e8 | Thakx I will makw a poster of that... |
| 15:10.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Apparently the number of times you hit escape affects what the command means or something. |
| 15:10.53 | graphyx | Lone_Wanderer: I don't know what would happen if you did that for emacs. |
| 15:11.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Me neither, but something happened and it's not what I intended. |
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| 15:15.25 | elg | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/17/1240237 |
| 15:15.36 | elg | DST puts kid in jail for 10 days |
| 15:15.42 | elg | stupid cops |
| 15:15.45 | dna3e8 | it asks "Kill PID 18070 with signal [15]:" so itype yes and nothing changes.. |
| 15:16.09 | dataw0lf | kill -9 18070 |
| 15:16.20 | elg | kill -9 Jayce^ |
| 15:16.30 | dna3e8 | ... y the 9 |
| 15:16.52 | dataw0lf | because that's the signal you want to send |
| 15:16.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Wow I just got threatened with a lawsuit because of what I said in an email on the plug list. |
| 15:17.10 | Lone_Wanderer | kill sends a signal to a process to tell it to stop what it's doing |
| 15:17.20 | Lone_Wanderer | you can send various signals. -9 is the "no seriously" signal. |
| 15:18.40 | elg | Lone_Wanderer: fun, what did you say and what was the threat? |
| 15:19.11 | Lone_Wanderer | It was in the "possible spam" thread |
| 15:19.22 | Lone_Wanderer | where I basically said "sounds like a scam to me" |
| 15:19.43 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't remember my exact words. I'm looking up slander and libel right now so I can find something that's neither and then respond with it. |
| 15:19.53 | Jayce^ | Lone_Wanderer, who is threatening? |
| 15:20.24 | Lone_Wanderer | C. J. Reiss, B.A., M.A., Ph.D., M.B.A. & Ed.D., LL.B., LL.M., D.Litt. (Candidate) Clinical Psychology, Health, Education, Business, Law & Policy Analysis |
| 15:21.37 | Jayce^ | and they are suing because of the post? |
| 15:21.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Just based on the guy's signature, I'd say it's a scam. How can anyone be so full of themselves that they'd put TWO LINES of acronyms after their name? |
| 15:22.13 | Lone_Wanderer | That's the only thing I said, which is clearly not libel. |
| 15:22.18 | Jayce^ | oh yeah |
| 15:22.31 | Jayce^ | wonder how they found *that* to sue about.. |
| 15:23.11 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: 'sounds like a scan to me' is your opinion. |
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| 15:23.22 | dataw0lf | you can offer your opinion without fear |
| 15:23.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Exactly. It's not a statement of fact, and therefore can't be considered libelous. |
| 15:23.28 | dataw0lf | err scam* |
| 15:23.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Or whatever that form of the word "libel" is. |
| 15:23.54 | dataw0lf | I think you're right |
| 15:23.57 | dataw0lf | (with the spelling) |
| 15:23.58 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm just trying to figure out whether saying "I heard C.J. Reiss can't have an orgasm unless he kills a kitten" is libel or not. |
| 15:24.13 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 15:24.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Penny Arcade got away with it and I'm assuming they wouldn't do anything like that unless they knew for sure that it was okay. |
| 15:26.31 | elg | so Mr. Capitals is the one threatening to sue you? |
| 15:26.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. |
| 15:26.51 | Lone_Wanderer | If he does decide to sue me, would I have to go there to defend myself? |
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| 15:27.11 | elg | ianal |
| 15:27.27 | dataw0lf | aww, I missed the alphabet soup he posts with |
| 15:27.28 | elg | but if he does a real lawyer could probably send a letter that will scare him away |
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| 15:27.46 | elg | -lart lukfugl |
| 15:27.51 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: I could have my lawyer send him something really scary |
| 15:27.52 | lukfugl | -lart elg |
| 15:28.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone know a good lawyer? |
| 15:29.03 | elg | Lone_Wanderer: looks like if you search for c. j. reiss on google the plug archive of that thread is on the first page :) |
| 15:29.13 | Lone_Wanderer | awesome! |
| 15:29.19 | elg | so he was probably googling himself, as one with so many acronyms is likely to do |
| 15:29.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. |
| 15:29.44 | Lone_Wanderer | I should link to it on my blog |
| 15:29.49 | Lone_Wanderer | give it a higher rating |
| 15:30.17 | elg | we should all link it, see if we can get it to #1 |
| 15:30.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Good plan. |
| 15:31.25 | Jayce^ | rock on :) |
| 15:32.06 | Jayce^ | with the good google-fu, another thread discussing his letter would get us even higher in google.. |
| 15:32.17 | Jayce^ | and of course start a rousing discussion, I'm sure.. |
| 15:32.41 | elg | he can't sue us all! |
| 15:32.53 | elg | actually it'd be kind of cool if he tried to sue PLUG |
| 15:33.04 | elg | not even sco has tried that |
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| 15:34.15 | graphyx | Is that the new stupidity measure? |
| 15:34.26 | graphyx | SCO hasn't sunk to that level? |
| 15:34.40 | Jayce^ | Lone_Wanderer, go ahead and start that thread on plug, and the blog, let's get this rolling |
| 15:34.54 | Lone_Wanderer | yay |
| 15:35.14 | graphyx | Did someone just say commence the google bombing? |
| 15:35.21 | elg | although... the one on google is mail-archive.com which seems to be down |
| 15:35.36 | dataw0lf | he probably sued them off the internet! |
| 15:35.38 | elg | we might want to wait until mail-archive.com is back up for max effectiveness |
| 15:35.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Aye, mail-archive.com is in fact down. |
| 15:36.04 | dataw0lf | aw jeez |
| 15:38.39 | elg | sweet, someone asked me if my oven has been built yet, wants to try it |
| 15:38.46 | elg | don't even know the guy |
| 15:39.04 | elg | like a firehose |
| 15:39.12 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 15:39.14 | Lone_Wanderer | what oven? |
| 15:39.20 | elg | hans.fugal.net/brick |
| 15:39.29 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh right |
| 15:41.11 | lukfugl | so is reiss trying to sue david turley now or something? |
| 15:41.48 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm not David Turley so I don't know, but he seems to be threatening to sue me. |
| 15:42.12 | lukfugl | you? for what?! |
| 15:42.22 | Jayce^ | making fun of his signature |
| 15:42.35 | lukfugl | that's all I can see -- so that's a sueable offense now? :) |
| 15:43.26 | Lone_Wanderer | There we go, sent. |
| 15:44.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Ohhh, I love this feeling. |
| 15:45.15 | lukfugl | apologive :) |
| 15:45.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah I saw that after I sent it. |
| 15:45.24 | neybar | wow, those nigerian spammers are getting better... I just got an email informing me that my late uncle Mr Alex Lance of 604 Alabama Avenue, Bremen, Georgia 30110, USA has left me a nice 17m inheritance. |
| 15:45.38 | Lone_Wanderer | I always get a bit of a rush when I send an email like that. |
| 15:45.53 | Jayce^ | neybar, didn't you always love old uncle alex? |
| 15:46.22 | neybar | I'm in tears over it. I think the 17m will help the grieving period though |
| 15:46.38 | elg | what will you buy with your 17m inheritance? |
| 15:46.46 | elg | or is that more like 9m after taxes? |
| 15:46.47 | ^Migs^ | someone just put up a picture of the shooter here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cho_Seung-hui |
| 15:47.01 | neybar | I'm thinking a ferrari is in order |
| 15:47.52 | Jayce^ | > I am happy to give you a week or so to see what you can do to remove the |
| 15:47.52 | Jayce^ | > post you made to .... |
| 15:47.54 | Jayce^ | *snicker* |
| 15:48.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah that was the best part. |
| 15:48.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Even if I could remove it, it's archived all over the net by now. |
| 15:48.36 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Where's the email? |
| 15:48.42 | Lone_Wanderer | plug@plug.org |
| 15:49.36 | graphyx | Lone_Wanderer: Tell him that you would be happy to remove the post if he will provide documentation showing proof that each of the items on his signature are accurate. |
| 15:50.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Nah, that could potentially be construed as a contract and I wouldn't be able to uphold my end. |
| 15:50.23 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't want to take any chances with this guy :p |
| 15:51.05 | graphyx | ok you would be happy to try to get it removed from the plug archive. |
| 15:51.07 | graphyx | ... |
| 15:51.16 | Lone_Wanderer | that works |
| 15:51.28 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm going to see how he responds first |
| 15:53.27 | dataw0lf | no, no, seriously, his website DOES look like a Word Template, right? |
| 15:53.42 | elg | how would we know? |
| 15:54.08 | Jayce^ | look for the really bad html |
| 15:54.09 | elg | seriously, has a bit too much blue on white text to be straight from word |
| 15:54.09 | lukfugl | http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2007/04/worst_powerpoin.html |
| 15:54.59 | Jayce^ | <!-- Template Design by Network Solutions, LLC --> <-- just as bad |
| 15:55.17 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 15:55.45 | elg | lukfugl: how is that worse than any other powerpoint slide by any number of CEOs? |
| 15:56.11 | lukfugl | elg: dunno. I didn't title the post. I just found portions of the slide itself amusing |
| 15:56.32 | lukfugl | "Anti-Money Laundering Process" for instance |
| 15:56.39 | lukfugl | (note the misplaced hyphen) |
| 15:56.40 | elg | speaking of, keynote is a pretty slick program |
| 15:57.15 | elg | presenter mode with a timer, a clock, current and next slides, and presenter notes |
| 15:57.19 | lukfugl | there was a letter to the editor in this mornings desnews about a similar misplaced hyphen in one of their articles ("Anti-Child Abuse Event") |
| 15:57.25 | neybar | Lone_Wanderer: is it true about the kittens? Say it isn't so. |
| 15:57.41 | elg | is ibot an antichild? |
| 15:57.44 | elg | -lart ibot |
| 15:58.20 | Jayce^ | oooh, noticed his email came from .org it's a different site :) |
| 15:58.21 | elg | actually those hyphens might be technically correct, at least by some definitions |
| 15:59.05 | levi | He appears to only claim to hold the first 4 degrees, I think he's currently working on the second group of 4. |
| 15:59.08 | elg | you use hyphens to separate adjectives modifyinga noun |
| 15:59.26 | Jayce^ | yeah, 'candidate' |
| 15:59.34 | elg | but you're not supposed to use hyphens to separate the words that consist of a single adjective |
| 15:59.53 | elg | but the whole thing is just messed up and rarely looks good |
| 15:59.55 | levi | At first I thought he was a candidate for just the last one, but the 'and' after the first four and a post to his blog convinced me otherwise. |
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| 16:01.31 | sjansen | http://krow.livejournal.com/507091.html <-- Sick and wrong. |
| 16:01.36 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: I can't decide which one is worse. |
| 16:01.39 | Lone_Wanderer | neybar: Of course it's not true. |
| 16:02.41 | dataw0lf | I find it hard to believe that a Ph.D doesn't know how to spell 'libel', or how to correctly modify it to an adjective. |
| 16:02.55 | Lone_Wanderer | So I talked to a lawyer and he said that my kitten statement may be considered libelous. |
| 16:02.57 | levi | His 'ReissCorp' seems to be all about interdisciplinary collaboration, so I guess he feels the need to become an expert in all disciplines. |
| 16:03.05 | ^Migs^ | I had an English teacher who wrote some easy word (can't remember what it was offhand) on the board and completely butchered it |
| 16:03.31 | Jayce^ | sjansen, one of many twisted things he's done... :) |
| 16:03.32 | ^Migs^ | she actually misspelled quite a few words. She passed around some paper she wrote one time, I remember, and it had a ton of misspelled words in it, and some bad grammar. |
| 16:04.15 | ^Migs^ | I would've said something, but didn't want to embarass the teacher |
| 16:05.57 | neybar | His website is very confusing, but it is definately Interdisciplinary. He seems like the sort of fellow that you pay to go away because at the end of your conversation your will has been sucked away and you aren't sure what you want anymore. |
| 16:06.12 | elg | Lone_Wanderer: oops? |
| 16:06.18 | Lone_Wanderer | O_O http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/hprajani/phun/disk.jpg |
| 16:06.36 | Lone_Wanderer | elg: Yeah, well, I'll just get a lawyer to write him a nice letter and hope he'll back down. |
| 16:06.39 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: I'll make a really obvious libelous statement to distract him from yours, if you want. |
| 16:06.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Hey, the more fun we can have with him the better. |
| 16:07.09 | Lone_Wanderer | I did find out that if he wants anything to actually happen to me he has to bring the lawsuit to my state. |
| 16:07.30 | ^Migs^ | wow, some moderator went approve-happy with all the latest quotes on bash |
| 16:07.51 | levi | Like he's got time to do that, if he's really pursuing 4 doctorate-level degrees and running a foundation for interdisciplinary study. |
| 16:08.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Good point. |
| 16:08.23 | Lone_Wanderer | I hope he doesn't back down just yet though. |
| 16:10.36 | levi | Wow, he speaks French, too! |
| 16:11.02 | elg | and listening to 3000 CDs |
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| 16:11.35 | Lone_Wanderer | omg he speaks French?? |
| 16:11.49 | Lone_Wanderer | If I'd known that I would have been much nicer, the French are known for their ferocity in times of war. |
| 16:11.55 | Lone_Wanderer | (name that Sid Meyer game) |
| 16:12.12 | dataw0lf | civilization |
| 16:12.18 | dataw0lf | and it's Sid Meier |
| 16:12.30 | Lone_Wanderer | No, Colonization :p |
| 16:12.47 | dataw0lf | darn |
| 16:12.50 | dataw0lf | civ is better |
| 16:13.03 | Lone_Wanderer | If you try to bully the Indians when they're mad at you they say "The (tribe name) are known for their (adjective) in times of war." |
| 16:15.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Cool, what I've heard about Native Americans running deer into the ground has non-mythological backing: http://www.physorg.com/news95954919.html |
| 16:16.04 | levi | http://reiss.blogs.com/reisscorp_weblog/2004/12/dr_cj_reiss_bio.html |
| 16:16.55 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhhh he has a tag cloud! |
| 16:16.57 | elg | "We’re the tortoises of the animal kingdom,” Lieberman said. " |
| 16:17.04 | elg | so tortoises aren't in the animal kingdom? |
| 16:17.10 | elg | i mean I know they're reptiles |
| 16:17.17 | Lone_Wanderer | reptiles are animals |
| 16:17.23 | elg | right |
| 16:17.28 | Lone_Wanderer | my teacher in kindergarten told me that ants aren't animals; they're insects |
| 16:17.29 | findlay | nuh uh |
| 16:17.42 | findlay | reptiles are in the klingon kingdom |
| 16:17.43 | ^Migs^ | depends on your taxonomy |
| 16:18.37 | levi | elg: Where's the implication that tortoises aren't in the animal kingdom? |
| 16:18.48 | elg | just that quote |
| 16:19.00 | ^Migs^ | looks like the opposite to me |
| 16:19.03 | ^Migs^ | maybe you're reading it wrong |
| 16:19.14 | elg | i mean, if we're the tortoises of the animal kingdom, then tortoises can't be the tortoises of the animal kingdom, can they? |
| 16:19.25 | elg | unless we can share that honor with them. |
| 16:19.44 | ^Migs^ | full quote: “Humans are terrible athletes in terms of power and speed, but we’re phenomenal at slow and steady. We’re the tortoises of the animal kingdom,” Lieberman said. |
| 16:19.53 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I thought tortoises were the tortoises of the animal kingdom |
| 16:20.01 | elg | heh, "That evidence belies the long and firmly held belief that humans are the animal world’s biggest wimps" |
| 16:20.07 | dataw0lf | how unscientific of you, ^Migs^ |
| 16:21.15 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm tempted to contact all of the places that Dr. Capitals says he studied and ask them if his credentials are real. |
| 16:21.55 | ^Migs^ | I don't even know what most of those abbreviations mean |
| 16:21.55 | Lone_Wanderer | He looks like a nice guy in his picture, I feel bad now. |
| 16:22.37 | ^Migs^ | so do most charlatans |
| 16:23.21 | levi | Heh, the pdf version of his CV has organization spelled 'Oganization'. Several times, in bold print. |
| 16:23.36 | lukfugl | awesome |
| 16:24.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Bachelor of Arts, Master of Arts, Doctor of Philosophy, Masters of Business Administration, Doctor of Education, those are the only ones I know. |
| 16:25.11 | ^Migs^ | that's not too unreasonable |
| 16:26.50 | Lone_Wanderer | so dataw0lf, did I hear you say that you're going to the Republican on Friday? |
| 16:27.33 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: This is kurrect |
| 16:27.40 | ^Migs^ | http://englishrussia.com/?p=839 |
| 16:27.48 | Lone_Wanderer | The Republican is a bar in Salt Lake, right? |
| 16:28.13 | levi | D.Litt is a 'Doctor of Letters', apparently. |
| 16:28.24 | Lone_Wanderer | What does that mean? |
| 16:31.04 | levi | It's supposed to be a higher form of doctorate than Ph.D, given out by schools in the UK. |
| 16:31.04 | Lone_Wanderer | ahhh |
| 16:31.04 | Lone_Wanderer | maybe he's dyslexic |
| 16:31.04 | Lone_Wanderer | or hasn't been taught to use a spell checker |
| 16:31.05 | levi | LL.m is a Master of Laws. |
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| 16:31.29 | ^Migs^ | I'm thinking this is B.S. now |
| 16:31.45 | Lone_Wanderer | No, he's got a B.A., not a B.S. |
| 16:31.51 | ^Migs^ | oh right |
| 16:31.55 | Lone_Wanderer | ;) |
| 16:32.13 | levi | LL.d is a Doctor of Laws. |
| 16:32.57 | Lone_Wanderer | In the UK? |
| 16:33.27 | ^Migs^ | the UK must have some inferiority complex to invent all these other doctorate degrees |
| 16:33.28 | levi | Technically it can be given out here, too, but it's mostly used as an honorary degree here. |
| 16:34.16 | levi | He's doing the LL.M at the University of Kent. |
| 16:35.32 | levi | Oh, he doesn't list LL.D, he lists LL.B, which is a Bachelor of Laws. |
| 16:37.12 | levi | I guess you get the LL.B on the way to getting the LL.M, since he doesn't list the LL.B specifically. |
| 16:37.44 | lukfugl | LL Bean awards degrees now? |
| 16:37.45 | Lone_Wanderer | I've got my L.L. Bean. |
| 16:37.48 | Lone_Wanderer | I worked real hard at that one. |
| 16:38.08 | lukfugl | no, Lone_Wanderer, I beat *you* |
| 16:38.09 | levi | I saw lukfugl's first. |
| 16:38.32 | findlay | Lone_Wanderer: so now you get to be like Mr Bean? |
| 16:38.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Huh. |
| 16:38.43 | Lone_Wanderer | It must've shown up on mine first 'cause it's local to me. |
| 16:38.49 | *** part/#utah mrpul1 (n=Jake@66.133.126.246) |
| 16:38.59 | levi | Yup, that's the way of IRC. |
| 16:42.03 | ^Migs^ | it's weird there's no freenode #dos channel |
| 16:44.07 | levi | Is there a #freedos channel? |
| 16:50.08 | atoponce | ~seen dilvie |
| 16:50.37 | ibot | dilvie <n=chatzill@c-67-169-243-184.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 8d 19h 17m 21s ago, saying: 'I'm viscious like that.'. |
| 16:51.20 | ^Migs^ | yes there is, in fact |
| 16:56.39 | elg | anyone know how to trace javascript with firefox? |
| 16:56.56 | Lone_Wanderer | He's viscous? |
| 16:57.10 | elg | specifically, I need to know if an opaque flash thing is calling any javascript, and if so what exactly it's calling |
| 16:57.16 | Lone_Wanderer | "Motor oil is running down my arm!" "Yeah, it's viscous like that." |
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| 16:59.57 | lukfugl | elg: firebug |
| 17:00.02 | lukfugl | it's a plugin |
| 17:00.07 | lukfugl | oh wait |
| 17:00.14 | lukfugl | that won't trace (that I know of) |
| 17:00.32 | lukfugl | it will show ajax requests, but it won't display all javascript that executes |
| 17:00.49 | lukfugl | I use it mainly for the ajax debugging |
| 17:02.25 | elg | basically, it's supposed to call foo() when I press button X and it's not |
| 17:02.47 | elg | when I push back the clueless on the other end will try to fix it and it may take a few iterations |
| 17:02.59 | elg | if I can tell exactly what they're doing wrong I can short circuit that |
| 17:03.04 | lukfugl | elg: page? |
| 17:03.07 | lukfugl | I'll look at it |
| 17:03.19 | lukfugl | or source on falcon |
| 17:03.24 | lukfugl | if the page isn't public |
| 17:06.49 | dna3e8 | I am editing visudo, i am getting an error on a blank line, any ideas| |
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| 17:09.48 | elg | someone needs to read the how to ask questions paper |
| 17:11.31 | dataw0lf | indeed |
| 17:11.48 | lukfugl | he didn't even wait 3 minutes for an answer |
| 17:12.02 | elg | he was in here floundering with visudo earlier |
| 17:12.18 | raventh1 | which sparked some fun |
| 17:12.30 | elg | offered several solutios but he was mostly frothed up to panic and unable to concentrate |
| 17:13.18 | elg | or at least couldn't keep his fingers from dancing over the keys doing who knows what damage |
| 17:13.36 | elg | i can imagine it was what you might call "shotgun vimming" |
| 17:13.57 | raventh1 | or in his case "shotgun emacs" |
| 17:14.02 | ^Migs^ | hahaha, this is great: http://www.theonion.com/content/video |
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| 17:56.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Woo, I got a response. |
| 17:58.57 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 17:59.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Should I post it and my response to the plug list? It's not terribly exciting. |
| 17:59.26 | dataw0lf | yes |
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| 18:03.06 | sjansen | Help! My inbox is being DOS'd by a something called PLUG. |
| 18:03.06 | levi | sjansen: You need to switch to FreeDOS, then. |
| 18:04.50 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 18:07.49 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: There doesn't seem to be much interest. I'll post the entire correspondence on my blog, then post a link when it's through to plug. |
| 18:08.03 | dataw0lf | alright |
| 18:08.15 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, time to go see how much damage my dog's done to the apartment. |
| 18:09.58 | Lone_Wanderer | All he really said is that I still have time to retract my statement and then he made a veiled threat that archiving emails is against gmail's TOS and that it also makes it easy to find me. |
| 18:10.06 | Lone_Wanderer | In response to which I sent him my mailing address and phone number. |
| 18:18.14 | lukfugl | Lone_Wanderer: blog url? |
| 18:43.05 | Jayce^ | archiving emails is against gmail's TOS???? |
| 18:43.08 | Jayce^ | hah! |
| 18:44.59 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 18:45.07 | tensai | -lart elg |
| 18:45.29 | elg | lukfugl wants to try the bread in charcoal too |
| 18:45.29 | tensai | Dave's Insanity sauce? that's hardly a lart at all. that's yummy. |
| 18:45.33 | elg | lukfugl meet tensai |
| 18:45.39 | elg | tensai lart lukfugl |
| 18:45.45 | tensai | -lart lukfugl |
| 18:46.01 | lukfugl | -lart tensai |
| 18:46.16 | tensai | lukfugl: elg told me to |
| 18:46.33 | lukfugl | so have you tried it yet? |
| 18:46.36 | tensai | what do you mean "bread in charcoal"? |
| 18:46.46 | tensai | in a dutch oven on charcoal? |
| 18:46.48 | lukfugl | bread in dutch oven with charcoal to head it |
| 18:46.51 | lukfugl | *heat |
| 18:47.05 | tensai | no I haven't tried it yet. I need to procure a dutch oven first. |
| 18:47.13 | tensai | I'm planning to cook it up at scout camp |
| 18:47.14 | lukfugl | just procured mine :) |
| 18:47.30 | elg | i wonder if i should get a cut from the dutch oven industry |
| 18:47.41 | lukfugl | I'm going down to goblin valley with my wife's family this week, thought I'd try it |
| 18:47.49 | lukfugl | elg: heh |
| 18:48.25 | tensai | I won't try it before then since i'm out of town this week |
| 18:48.33 | tensai | definitely let me know how it goes |
| 18:48.35 | elg | you just need 450-550 degrees |
| 18:48.48 | lukfugl | I'll be the pioneer then and let you know how it goes next week, tensai |
| 18:48.48 | elg | and let the steam out after 20 minutes (but you can put the lid back on) |
| 18:48.49 | tensai | I want to practice a couple times before camp since it's for a scoutmaster's cook-off |
| 18:49.04 | elg | i dn't know the first thing about charcoal heating though. you'll have to beat Jayce^ with a stick for that |
| 18:49.12 | lukfugl | -lart Jayce^ |
| 18:49.19 | tensai | o/~ whenever I think about pioneers, I think of brave women and men. and lukfugl... ~/o |
| 18:50.26 | elg | whenever I think about pioneers I quickly divert my mind |
| 18:50.33 | Jayce^ | -lart lukfugl |
| 18:51.22 | tensai | elg: what are the improvements in this "new" mexico and what's the timeline for upgrade? |
| 18:51.41 | elg | we're waiting for the moat |
| 18:51.52 | lukfugl | Jayce^: how hot will charcoal + dutch oven reliably get? |
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| 18:52.40 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, as hot as you want |
| 18:52.50 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 18:52.57 | lukfugl | heh |
| 18:53.00 | tensai | lukfugl: I found a site that says about 25 degF for each charcoal briquette |
| 18:53.03 | Jayce^ | really, you can make as much as you want, and steady.. |
| 18:53.12 | tensai | therefore 20 for 500deg |
| 18:53.18 | tensai | http://www.macscouter.com/Cooking/DutchOven_Intro.html |
| 18:53.19 | brac | [The MacScouter -- Scouting Resources Online] |
| 18:53.19 | Jayce^ | tensai, that's an average.. you do need to account for a few things |
| 18:53.23 | lukfugl | I need to pull any tricks to get my dutch oven to ~500deg for bread baking? |
| 18:53.31 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, dig a pit |
| 18:53.38 | elg | put a pig in it |
| 18:53.41 | elg | dance on the pig |
| 18:53.46 | lukfugl | cover with banana leaf |
| 18:53.48 | elg | then your dutch oven will heat up automatically |
| 18:53.52 | lukfugl | cook for 20 hours |
| 18:53.54 | lukfugl | mmm |
| 18:54.10 | Jayce^ | if you dig a it, and have it in there, you'll have more of a steady heat, and less wasted fuel |
| 18:54.33 | tensai | Jayce^: all I gotta do is look sternly at the charcoal. it will bend to my will. |
| 18:54.43 | lukfugl | s/globlin/globulin/ |
| 18:54.45 | tensai | lukfugl: if they ask tell them a goblin did it |
| 18:54.50 | elg | there's no goblins. that's just marketing |
| 18:54.59 | tensai | elg: yeah, I've been there |
| 18:56.27 | elg | heh. actually I was consoling lukfugl so he wouldn't be afraid of the goblins when digging his pit |
| 18:56.46 | lukfugl | :P |
| 18:56.50 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, if not, stack up some rocks around it.. |
| 18:57.23 | elg | brick oven baby |
| 18:57.25 | elg | ;-) |
| 18:58.35 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 18:58.35 | ibot | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, elg, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 19:07.02 | elg | ~cook emcnabb |
| 19:07.04 | ibot | ACTION throws emcnabb in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks emcnabb on 350 for an hour |
| 19:07.18 | lukfugl | s/pan/dutch oven/ |
| 19:10.04 | lukfugl | btw, elg, your typo is broken |
| 19:29.02 | sjansen | ~dict kelt |
| 19:29.05 | sjansen | ~dict keltism |
| 19:30.18 | Tene | http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/04/17/1335258.shtml -- anyone have any interesting comments on the general topic? |
| 19:30.53 | elg | the general topic of /.? |
| 19:31.16 | sjansen | Tene: Hot GRITS! |
| 19:31.25 | sjansen | ~grits elg |
| 19:31.35 | ibot | ACTION sneaks up on elg, readies the funnel, then pours hot grits down elg's pants |
| 19:31.49 | elg | Tene: I was at a conference between nmsu and utep last weekend joint between math and CS |
| 19:31.58 | elg | there were more girls in math |
| 19:32.01 | elg | than girls in CS |
| 19:32.12 | elg | i seem to have a fuzzy recollectoin of that at BYU too |
| 19:32.19 | elg | math is just as "nerdy" as CS |
| 19:32.27 | elg | that's the extent of my interesting thoughts |
| 19:32.31 | sjansen | elg: What did you expect? Girls can't do math, but even fewer can program. |
| 19:32.38 | sjansen | "Math is hard." -- Barbie |
| 19:33.16 | Lone_Wanderer | I once knew a wonderful, amazing and beautiful girl who was studying math. |
| 19:33.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Unfortunately, she was my girlfriend's best friend. |
| 19:33.41 | sjansen | Studies have shown that doing math increases testosterone production. That's why girls stop caring about math in High School, they're afraid of turning into she-men. |
| 19:33.43 | elg | sjansen: watch it, a lot of girls can do math better than you :=) |
| 19:34.10 | sjansen | In fact, studies have shown that programming actually causes facial hair. |
| 19:34.46 | sjansen | maquis: Isn't that right? |
| 19:35.21 | elg | btw, there are a number of girls in CS here |
| 19:35.24 | Lone_Wanderer | That's funny, the girl I dated who had a beautiful, wonderful best friend didn't program at all. |
| 19:35.32 | elg | and there were at BYU |
| 19:35.40 | sjansen | Most men are afraid to date girls that can do math. No man has ever married a woman that can program. |
| 19:35.45 | lukfugl | there were a lot more girls in my 300+ level math classes at BYU than in my 300+ level CS classes |
| 19:35.45 | elg | not half and half by any means, but not 1/10 of 1% or anything |
| 19:36.08 | sjansen | All the female CS majors are doomed to die spinsters. |
| 19:36.12 | sjansen | maquis: Isn't that right? |
| 19:36.25 | lukfugl | -lart sjansen |
| 19:39.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Delicious! |
| 19:39.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh wait, toilet paper. I was thinking of those paper toilet seat covers. |
| 19:42.00 | sjansen | (Is maquis married yet? Wouldn't it be a kick in the teeth if it turned out the engagement was cancelled and I didn't know.) |
| 19:42.16 | findlay | basically |
| 19:42.28 | levi | The male computer geek culture tends to include a lot of hostility. I can't imagine there's the same kind of thing in male math geek culture. |
| 19:42.39 | Lone_Wanderer | A lot of hostility?? |
| 19:42.47 | Lone_Wanderer | STFU NOOB |
| 19:43.07 | sjansen | You don't know mental scaring until you've seen someone kick epsilon over pie in your face. |
| 19:43.11 | levi | It seems to be largely a US thing, too. A lot of the CS women I run into are foreign. |
| 19:43.54 | lukfugl | if my dutch oven claims to come pre-seasoned from the store, can I trust it, or should I scrub it then season myself? |
| 19:43.58 | lukfugl | Camp Chef brand |
| 19:44.33 | raventh1 | never trust anyone |
| 19:44.37 | raventh1 | when you want to cook |
| 19:45.10 | raventh1 | this way, if it turns out bad, you have no-one else to blame! |
| 19:45.14 | findlay | their season is probably poisioned anyway |
| 19:45.33 | lukfugl | findlay: they wouldn't get many repeat customers that way |
| 19:45.46 | raventh1 | lukfugl: it's all about the initial customer anyways :D |
| 19:47.20 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, usually ok to trust that... but don't expect it to last seasoned.. |
| 19:47.26 | Jayce^ | especially if you are hitting 500deg |
| 19:47.44 | lukfugl | Jayce^: yeah, I'll definitely keep caring for it. I was just curious about the initial seasoning |
| 19:48.22 | lukfugl | since every resource online talks about needing to bake off the protective wax coating and then season after purchasing a new oven |
| 19:49.56 | findlay | where's the firefox configuration for forcing links that think I want a new browser window into a new tab? |
| 19:50.50 | lukfugl | "Preferences | Tabs | Force links that open new windows to open in:" |
| 19:50.51 | Lone_Wanderer | I just middle click. |
| 19:50.51 | lukfugl | for me |
| 19:51.02 | lukfugl | but I usually just do what Lone_Wanderer said |
| 19:51.02 | mrpull- | about:config |
| 19:51.37 | findlay | lukfugl: I don't have that one :/ |
| 19:51.43 | lukfugl | and leave the option in preferences unchecked so that windows popped out by javascript behave as their author intended |
| 19:52.24 | Jayce^ | eeek, openclue is down... |
| 19:52.24 | findlay | no way, I don't care if Tim Lee wrote the javascript. I don't want any popups |
| 19:52.39 | mrpull- | browser.link.open_newwindow.restriction |
| 19:52.43 | mrpull- | i think that is the one |
| 19:52.48 | Tene | FC7 yum repository had a pidgin package replacing the gaim package today, btw. |
| 19:53.01 | Tene | I was wondering how long it would be until that happened. |
| 19:53.19 | lukfugl | gaim renaming? |
| 19:55.11 | mrpull- | findlay: i think you set that key to 0 if you never ever want window.open to make a new window |
| 19:55.11 | findlay | thanks mrpull- |
| 19:55.11 | Tene | lukfugl: yes. it's been renamed to pidgin. |
| 19:55.31 | Tene | lukfugl: the name change was part of a legal battle between gaim and AOL. The legal proceedings are also the reason why there hasn't been a release in so long. |
| 19:55.46 | lukfugl | -lart AOL |
| 19:56.15 | lukfugl | -lart-aol AOL |
| 19:56.38 | lukfugl | the lart involving AOL discs seems appropriate |
| 19:56.38 | findlay | ~aol AOL |
| 19:56.40 | ibot | ACTION hits AOL with a free America Online CD until he dies |
| 19:56.46 | findlay | yay |
| 19:56.47 | lukfugl | ah. there |
| 19:56.57 | findlay | ~aolcd AOL |
| 19:57.00 | findlay | ~aol-cd AOL |
| 20:13.41 | maquis | sjansen: nope :) |
| 20:13.42 | elg | Tene: seriously? couldn't they have just given up and renamed long ago and got on with life? |
| 20:14.12 | Tene | elg: I have no idea. |
| 20:19.46 | Tene | elg: the bits I've heard contain things about AOL harassing them, then going silent, and stuff like that, so they were trying to get a resolution complete with a "You're not going to harass us any more about this." clause, ocelot. |
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| 20:27.40 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know who set the voila/viola part of the topic but I love them. |
| 20:29.20 | raventh1 | /topic makes it look like elg did |
| 20:29.35 | Tene | raventh1: he was the last one to change the topic, at least |
| 20:29.54 | raventh1 | why i phrased it as such :) |
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| 20:32.27 | findlay | That french word for "there you have it" is voil? |
| 20:34.26 | raventh1 | Viola |
| 20:34.26 | raventh1 | er |
| 20:34.26 | raventh1 | Voila |
| 20:34.27 | findlay | volia |
| 20:34.27 | findlay | violia |
| 20:34.29 | goozbach | fyi, I found the comic I was searching for. |
| 20:34.29 | goozbach | it's called editable dirt |
| 20:47.04 | findlay | edible voila dirt |
| 20:47.05 | levi | I just had a system die with a CPU internal error. |
| 20:47.06 | elg | fun |
| 20:47.06 | findlay | destroyed by untenible violas with dirt |
| 20:47.07 | elg | tenable |
| 20:47.21 | lukfugl | untunable? |
| 20:47.21 | findlay | heh |
| 20:47.56 | elg | e.g. physics engine ODE (Open Dynamics Engine) and OpenSceneGraph for the graphics |
| 20:48.12 | elg | or CrystalSpace 3D which is more of an all-in-one |
| 20:49.39 | maquis | ~seen dilvie |
| 20:50.51 | ibot | dilvie <n=chatzill@c-67-169-243-184.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 8d 23h 17m 35s ago, saying: 'I'm viscious like that.'. |
| 20:50.53 | findlay | ~dilvie seen |
| 20:51.04 | emcnabb | so, I was eating a twix candy bar while swapping out 8GB of RAM on this box... big mistake. I piece fell on the motherboard (which fortunately was off), but it immediately melted, leaving a mess... it seems to be happy now after wiping it down |
| 20:51.04 | emcnabb | s/I piece/A piece/ |
| 20:51.04 | findlay | two for emcnabb, mess for mainboard |
| 20:51.05 | elg | ~eat emcnabb |
| 20:51.07 | ibot | ACTION eats emcnabb and falls over dead |
| 20:51.12 | findlay | dilvie is viscous? |
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| 20:53.16 | nick125_lappy | Wee |
| 20:53.28 | nick125_lappy | I just got two cisco routers (2610 and a 2501) for free :-) |
| 20:54.23 | elg | -lart nick125_lappy |
| 20:54.28 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 20:55.33 | goozbach | http://catmydog.comicgenesis.com/d/20060226.html |
| 20:55.34 | brac | [Edible Dirt - Sunday, February 26, 2006] |
| 20:55.43 | nick125_lappy | No expansion cards though :-( |
| 20:55.48 | nick125_lappy | I might look around tomorrow for one |
| 20:57.32 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: Did you read the "people can run a lot" article I pasted earlier? |
| 21:00.31 | elg | Lone_Wanderer: I have one problem with that article |
| 21:00.41 | Lone_Wanderer | What's that? |
| 21:00.49 | elg | have you ever tried chasing a deer? i don't care if you can run faster than the deer's minimum gallop for long periods of time |
| 21:00.51 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: Yea. |
| 21:00.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, the "Humans are the tortoises of the animal kingdom" quote? |
| 21:00.53 | elg | it will have lost you long before that |
| 21:01.00 | Lone_Wanderer | That's where the tracking comes in. |
| 21:01.12 | dataw0lf | Seems fairly plausible to me |
| 21:01.17 | elg | i suppose |
| 21:01.36 | dataw0lf | I'm fairly certain that I could run a dying deer down over 15 miles |
| 21:01.38 | dataw0lf | not that I want to try |
| 21:01.42 | elg | dessimating the entire herd at once |
| 21:01.45 | Lone_Wanderer | anyway dw I remember you saying you wanted to run down a deer and kill it with nothing but a knife |
| 21:01.47 | elg | decimating? |
| 21:01.48 | dataw0lf | but I average 7 minute miles over a 10 mile distance |
| 21:01.49 | Lone_Wanderer | so it reminded me of you :p |
| 21:02.03 | Lone_Wanderer | decimating, elg |
| 21:02.08 | dataw0lf | and 6:20 from 5 - 10 miles |
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| 21:03.16 | Lone_Wanderer | I think you could do it if you could tag the deer with a non-fatal radio tracking device |
| 21:03.22 | Lone_Wanderer | with an air rifle or something |
| 21:04.14 | Lone_Wanderer | then just keep following it |
| 21:04.56 | elg | if you run a deer to death do you need a hunting license? |
| 21:05.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Good question. |
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| 21:05.44 | elg | "I just wanted to play with it" |
| 21:05.52 | Lone_Wanderer | It doesn't die from running |
| 21:05.59 | Lone_Wanderer | it just gets so tired that it can't outrun you any more |
| 21:06.10 | Lone_Wanderer | so then you chase it down and use your primitive knife to kill it |
| 21:06.24 | elg | oh, I thought it said you exhausted it to death |
| 21:06.41 | elg | i mean, sure if you can catch up to it and knife it that saves you a bit of running |
| 21:07.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, they can put on bursts of speed |
| 21:07.43 | Lone_Wanderer | but each burst tires them out |
| 21:07.52 | Lone_Wanderer | so you've got to keep catching up with them when they stop |
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| 21:08.27 | findlay | are the deer tubes pretty fast then? |
| 21:08.40 | findlay | or just burstable-fast? |
| 21:09.42 | Lone_Wanderer | tubes? |
| 21:10.31 | findlay | ~tubes |
| 21:10.40 | ibot | tubes are actually filled with aerodynamic, efficient squirrls, each with carrying packet on their back and they run back and forth ferrying packets from switch to switch and router to router |
| 21:11.05 | findlay | hm, maybe they don't use deer tubes anymore |
| 21:11.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Deer can run a long ways and can run very quickly. |
| 21:12.03 | Lone_Wanderer | I've seen deer do standing jumps, for fun, over bales of hay that were probably 12 feet tall. |
| 21:12.18 | elg | deer have fun? |
| 21:12.31 | Lone_Wanderer | (I say it was for fun because they were lining up to jump over the bales, taking turns, and after they jumped they'd get back in line.) |
| 21:12.38 | findlay | now that they aren't consigned to the tubes anymore, I suppose |
| 21:12.51 | elg | did they have to buy tickets? |
| 21:13.10 | Lone_Wanderer | I didn't see any ticket vendors. |
| 21:13.21 | Lone_Wanderer | The one time we got a deer (after which we felt bad and didn't go any more) |
| 21:13.41 | Lone_Wanderer | when my dad shot it, it ran about five miles, two or three of them through waist-deep (to us) snow. |
| 21:14.09 | Lone_Wanderer | And as far as I know it only stopped because someone else saw it coming and shot it again. |
| 21:14.35 | Lone_Wanderer | In summary, deer are incredibly tough and strong critters. |
| 21:15.07 | findlay | and dumb |
| 21:15.11 | elg | I'd rather be shot and wounded (even with a fatal wound) than be run to death. but I'm not a deer |
| 21:15.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Probably. |
| 21:15.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I'd go with the shot option as welll. |
| 21:15.34 | elg | I can think of very few things more unpleasant than running |
| 21:15.34 | Lone_Wanderer | well* |
| 21:15.48 | Lone_Wanderer | I've heard stories about indians that hunt deer through the "just keep running" method |
| 21:15.55 | findlay | hand-editing XML |
| 21:16.17 | findlay | in ms-word |
| 21:16.18 | elg | well, i'd prefer to be run to death than to be XML-edited to death |
| 21:16.26 | elg | but XML editing isn't usually fatal |
| 21:16.27 | Lone_Wanderer | and when they catch up to them, the deer are foaming at the mouth and their eyes are rolling and they're terrified of everything |
| 21:17.01 | elg | and then the indian is justified in putting it out of its misery? :) |
| 21:28.27 | *** part/#utah ^Migs^ (n=migs@205.122.50.69) |
| 21:40.42 | elg | emcnabb: you should start a band |
| 21:40.45 | elg | you can call it cermica |
| 21:40.54 | elg | heavy stoneware music |
| 21:41.46 | atoponce | is the uosp down? |
| 21:45.30 | emcnabb | elg: ? |
| 21:45.39 | emcnabb | where did that come from |
| 21:45.52 | elg | i picked you at random to make my bad joke |
| 21:45.55 | elg | you could say I used you |
| 21:46.00 | emcnabb | elg: ah, ok |
| 21:46.04 | emcnabb | let me laugh.... |
| 21:46.09 | emcnabb | ROFL HAHA NICE! |
| 21:46.15 | emcnabb | was that good? :-) |
| 21:46.24 | elg | not enough elevens |
| 21:46.38 | emcnabb | N11111111111CE!!!!1! |
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| 21:47.59 | dataw0lf | ... I don't understand the joke. :| |
| 21:49.00 | lukfugl | METAL-lica => CERAMIC-a (except that elg left out the A in ceramic, whether on purpose or not I don't know) |
| 21:49.30 | dataw0lf | ah, makes more sense. |
| 21:49.46 | elg | doh |
| 21:49.51 | elg | I misspelled ceramica |
| 21:49.54 | elg | my whole joke was ruined |
| 21:53.33 | emcnabb | elg: it was horrible |
| 21:53.42 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.32 | Tene | Hey, weren't there one or two people pretty active in the ubuntu community in here? |
| 22:12.47 | Lone_Wanderer | What's pserver? |
| 22:13.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Define "active". |
| 22:15.18 | findlay | I have all the ubuntu answers |
| 22:15.51 | findlay | Lone_Wanderer: that means you need to find a real RCS |
| 22:16.18 | Tene | findlay: *all* of them? |
| 22:16.28 | findlay | yup. All |
| 22:16.36 | Tene | Wow. |
| 22:16.38 | Lone_Wanderer | RCS? |
| 22:16.58 | findlay | revision control system, although I think that acronym has fallen out of fashion |
| 22:17.10 | findlay | I don't remember what they call them now |
| 22:18.00 | Tene | So, a friend of mine is having trouble with the beta release of the next version of ubuntu. Specifically, it doesn't recognize his ps/2 mouse at all, while the 6.0.5 livecd recognizes it fine. |
| 22:18.20 | Tene | Even 'cat /dev/psaux' gives no output on moving the mouse, or 'cat /dev/input/mice' |
| 22:18.45 | findlay | Tene: are you talking about gpm support or Xorg mouse? |
| 22:19.09 | findlay | because if the latter then you can check what xorg.conf says too |
| 22:19.49 | Tene | findlay: gpm, Xorg, whatever. running 'cat' on the device produces no output when the mouse is moved, where it does on 6.0.5 |
| 22:19.50 | findlay | lsmod | grep psmouse |
| 22:20.34 | levi | Aaaaaaargh. |
| 22:22.34 | Tene | findlay: psmouse 38920 0 |
| 22:23.06 | findlay | did you try to modprobe -r && modprobe it? |
| 22:24.05 | findlay | you must have an inferior mouse, for Linux is never wrong |
| 22:24.43 | beandog | dmesg | grep -i mouse |
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| 22:25.42 | ADZ|Not_Hair | hey tene |
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| 22:25.59 | findlay | heh |
| 22:26.10 | Tene | findlay: no change |
| 22:26.26 | findlay | see beandog |
| 22:26.45 | QBFreak | trust me, be glad he didn't stay |
| 22:26.58 | findlay | heh |
| 22:27.26 | beandog | that is an *awesome* website |
| 22:27.29 | beandog | talk about a throw back to the day. |
| 22:27.40 | QBFreak | he's not old enough to have had a day |
| 22:27.53 | findlay | heh |
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| 22:33.11 | AeroLeviathan | >_> |
| 22:33.13 | AeroLeviathan | <_< |
| 22:34.02 | AeroLeviathan | aero@woglinde:~$ dmesg | grep -i mouse |
| 22:34.03 | AeroLeviathan | [ 40.498121] mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 22:34.03 | AeroLeviathan | [ 40.510917] input: Macintosh mouse button emulation as /class/input/input0 |
| 22:34.18 | AeroLeviathan | err, like, i didn't mean to bother anyone. i didn't ask tene to ask anyone for me, or anything. |
| 22:34.41 | AeroLeviathan | (it's lame that 'Aero' is taken on this net... <_<) |
| 22:35.33 | elg | is it permissions? |
| 22:36.13 | elg | is psaux loaded? |
| 22:36.13 | beandog | find /dev/input |
| 22:36.15 | AeroLeviathan | i'm not sure! i am kind of a newb. |
| 22:36.35 | beandog | permissions should be okay, unless he changed them, which I doubt. |
| 22:36.54 | elg | maybe ps2 is just bitrotted ;-) |
| 22:36.56 | Tene | lsmod|grep psaux |
| 22:37.10 | AeroLeviathan | works fine on ubuntu 6.10. |
| 22:37.11 | raventh1 | \o/ - u win |
| 22:37.31 | AeroLeviathan | Tene: nothing |
| 22:37.38 | Tene | modprobe psaux |
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| 22:38.00 | AeroLeviathan | FATAL: Module psaux not found. |
| 22:38.02 | findlay | ouch, my eye |
| 22:38.05 | AeroLeviathan | ...it didn't do that before... |
| 22:38.13 | beandog | maybe they finally ripped it out |
| 22:38.23 | Tene | elg: I don't have a 'psaux' module on my system either... |
| 22:38.30 | beandog | uname -a |
| 22:38.43 | AeroLeviathan | Linux woglinde 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP Sun Apr 15 07:36:31 UTC 2007 i586 GNU/Linux |
| 22:38.58 | beandog | its not a module, anyway. |
| 22:39.00 | lukfugl | is there a way to dump a job from a queue in cups such that I can reload it later? |
| 22:39.02 | beandog | its got to be compiled in |
| 22:39.06 | Tene | ahh |
| 22:39.25 | beandog | you could try unplugging hte mouse and plugging it back in |
| 22:39.29 | beandog | udev might see it and fix itself. |
| 22:39.33 | elg | Tene: maybe it's compiled in |
| 22:39.37 | elg | look in /proc/config.gz |
| 22:39.51 | lukfugl | I'm having printer problems, but I don't have the source file for this job anymore. fortunately the job is still in the queue, but I'm afraid of nuking it while debugging the printer problems |
| 22:39.52 | beandog | zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i psaux |
| 22:39.53 | AeroLeviathan | rebooted several times in 7.04 and nothing. anytime i reboot into 6.10 it works without fail. |
| 22:40.09 | AeroLeviathan | also tried unplugging/replugging with power off several times. |
| 22:40.17 | beandog | yah, while power's on, do it. |
| 22:40.30 | AeroLeviathan | but... but... ps/2 isn't hot-swappable! |
| 22:40.41 | elg | he's got a point |
| 22:40.44 | AeroLeviathan | are you trying to set up me the hax?! |
| 22:40.47 | elg | although on some hardware it works fine |
| 22:40.49 | findlay | just don't put your tongue on it |
| 22:40.57 | elg | you don't want to try it unless you know it's ok with your mobo |
| 22:41.12 | elg | if you accidentally find out that it is, make a mental note and proceed recklessly |
| 22:41.24 | beandog | ? |
| 22:41.27 | beandog | I have never had problems with that. |
| 22:41.35 | elg | whippersnapper |
| 22:41.35 | AeroLeviathan | yeah, me neither. |
| 22:41.42 | AeroLeviathan | but whenever i tell someone about it, they go all OMG! |
| 22:41.49 | beandog | well, yah, not within the last 5 years at least. |
| 22:41.54 | beandog | now with my XT .... |
| 22:41.55 | beandog | :) |
| 22:42.04 | lukfugl | anyone know re: my cups question? |
| 22:42.05 | beandog | oh wait, that didnt even have a mouse. |
| 22:42.16 | Tene | lukfugl: not that I know of. |
| 22:42.30 | AeroLeviathan | tried! nothin'. |
| 22:42.31 | elg | lukfugl: you could back up the cups queue |
| 22:42.37 | Tene | lukfugl: you could look in /var/spool/cups/ |
| 22:43.00 | elg | then worst case you can pore through the cups docs and find out how to resurrect it |
| 22:43.16 | elg | is /dev dynamic (udev) in ubuntu? |
| 22:43.20 | tensai | lukfugl: there's an option to keep the spool around so you can resubmit it later |
| 22:43.35 | tensai | lukfugl: it's not on by default though |
| 22:43.43 | AeroLeviathan | i am not sure! |
| 22:44.08 | findlay | elg: likely |
| 22:44.17 | dataw0lf | elg: yes. |
| 22:44.19 | elg | in my personal experience the only problem I've had with ps/2 hotplugging is that it just wouldn't work |
| 22:44.27 | lukfugl | looks like /var/spool/cups/tmp/* is what I want |
| 22:44.41 | elg | then if /dev/psaux exists, the kernel module is loaded (or it's compiled in) |
| 22:44.41 | tensai | lukfugl: PreserveJobFiles |
| 22:44.45 | lukfugl | I have one job, there's one file, and that file looks like a job |
| 22:46.48 | elg | "Vcc/Ground provide power to the keyboard/mouse. The keyboard or mouse should not draw more than 275 mA from the host and care must be taken to avoid transient surges. Such surges can be caused by "hot-plugging" a keyboard/mouse (ie, connect/disconnect the device while the computer's power is on.) Older motherboards had a surface-mounted fuse protecting the keyboard and mouse ports. When this fuse blew, the motherboard was useless to the consumer, and non- |
| 22:46.55 | elg | http://www.computer-engineering.org/ps2protocol/ |
| 22:46.56 | brac | [The PS/2 Mouse/Keyboard Protocol] |
| 22:47.16 | lukfugl | question 2: now that I've located and backed up the job file, I'm curious if there's a way to process it into a ps/pdf file |
| 22:48.03 | elg | probably is ps already? |
| 22:48.03 | Tene | lukfugl: what do you get from 'file thefilename'? |
| 22:48.09 | elg | unless it's in pcl or something |
| 22:48.10 | Tene | elg: that's what I was thinking |
| 22:51.04 | AeroLeviathan | well, thanks for your help, peoples. i s'pose i'll wipe and go back to 6.10. |
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| 22:51.39 | elg | … |
| 22:52.02 | lukfugl | HP Printer Job Language data |
| 22:52.15 | lukfugl | looks like PCL |
| 22:52.16 | beandog | that sucks. |
| 22:52.23 | beandog | gentoo++ |
| 22:52.26 | beandog | :) |
| 22:52.27 | lukfugl | also lots of @PJL directives |
| 22:52.41 | lukfugl | "@PJL ENTER LANGUAGE=PCL" |
| 22:52.51 | lukfugl | (from running strings on it) |
| 22:53.07 | findlay | is this PCL: http://www.xmailserver.org/libpcl.html ? |
| 22:53.22 | findlay | guess not |
| 22:54.09 | elg | you must have a pcl printer then, eh? |
| 22:54.14 | lukfugl | yeah |
| 22:54.36 | lukfugl | at this point converting the job to a file is just a curiousity -- I got the printer fixed and my printout came through (yay) |
| 22:55.38 | elg | well you can reuse a pcl file |
| 22:55.46 | elg | but converting it back to a ps or pdf would be more difficult |
| 22:55.50 | elg | though probably not impossible |
| 22:55.58 | elg | I don't remember if pcl is vector based or raster |
| 22:56.03 | elg | if raster you might have lost some info |
| 22:56.14 | lukfugl | is there a program that will open and display a pcl file? |
| 22:56.22 | elg | probably |
| 22:56.29 | lukfugl | e.g. from which I could "Print to PDF" :) |
| 22:56.46 | elg | right, but you still may have lost info |
| 22:56.55 | elg | if anything there's probably some pcl2ps or something |
| 22:57.05 | lukfugl | meh. it's text. I don't care if it gets fuzzy, as long as it's readable |
| 22:57.27 | elg | quick google: http://www.verypdf.com/artprint/document-printer/pcl-to-ps.html |
| 22:57.31 | brac | [PCL to PS, convert PCL to PS, PCL2PS, PCLtoPS, PCL to PS Converter] |
| 22:57.43 | elg | not free, but there probably be a free one somewhere |
| 22:57.53 | elg | ghostscript might do it, even |
| 23:01.16 | lukfugl | pcl-pdf.com's SwiftConvert looks promising -- not free, but a free 30 day evaluation available |
| 23:04.07 | lukfugl | awesome. I download the "30-day evaluation" and when I open the program it says "This is SwiftView. Its evaluation period expired on 04/15/07." |
| 23:04.12 | lukfugl | nix that option |
| 23:04.14 | Tene | o.O |
| 23:04.40 | findlay | heh |
| 23:05.02 | findlay | if PCL is an open standard then why not just have a de facto open source tool? |
| 23:05.17 | lukfugl | findlay: there probably is one, but I'm having trouble finding it |
| 23:08.00 | findlay | http://search.cpan.org/~prl/PCL-Simple-1.02/Simple.pm |
| 23:08.11 | Tene | cpan++ |
| 23:08.16 | Tene | ~karma cpan |
| 23:08.16 | ibot | cpan has neutral karma |
| 23:08.19 | Tene | ~karma CPAN |
| 23:08.19 | ibot | cpan has neutral karma |
| 23:08.34 | findlay | ~cpan++ |
| 23:09.10 | beandog | I think the karma is borken. |
| 23:09.15 | beandog | ~karma cpan |
| 23:09.15 | ibot | cpan has karma of 1 |
| 23:09.19 | beandog | or not. |
| 23:10.13 | lukfugl | http://www.visual.co.uk/eval/pcl2pdf60/linuxpcl2pdf600e worked for me |
| 23:10.33 | findlay | one of these days I'm going to write a perl module for ZPL. Might as well as work on PCL at the same time |
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| 23:21.24 | raventh1 | ~karma raventh1 |
| 23:21.24 | ibot | raventh1 has neutral karma |
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| 23:26.07 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 23:27.15 | nick125_lappy | I found a copy of SCO UnixWare today.. |
| 23:31.28 | atoponce | ~seen mheath |
| 23:32.02 | ibot | mheath <n=mheath@166-70-208-21.ip.xmission.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 2d 8h 17m 7s ago, saying: 'Last time I checked, miniscule amounts of lingering capacitance won't cause a notebook to not start for 3 days straight.'. |
| 23:40.49 | raventh1 | ~karma mheath |
| 23:40.49 | ibot | mheath has karma of 2 |
| 23:41.18 | levi_home | ~karma levi |
| 23:41.19 | ibot | levi has karma of 2 |
| 23:41.33 | levi_home | ~karma levi_home |
| 23:41.33 | ibot | levi_home has neutral karma |
| 23:44.23 | atoponce | ~karma atoponce |
| 23:44.23 | ibot | atoponce has neutral karma |
| 23:44.33 | atoponce | ~botsnack |
| 23:44.33 | ibot | aw, gee, atoponce |
| 23:44.36 | atoponce | ~karma atoponce |
| 23:44.36 | ibot | atoponce has neutral karma |
| 23:44.44 | atoponce | no appreciation... |
| 23:46.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ~karma ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:46.13 | ibot | scytheblade1 has neutral karma |
| 23:46.17 | ScytheBlade1 | That's just depressing |
| 23:46.21 | ScytheBlade1 | :'( |
| 23:46.22 | ScytheBlade1 | ~karma ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:46.22 | ibot | scytheblade1 has neutral karma |
| 23:46.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah |
| 23:46.25 | Tene | ~karma tene |
| 23:46.25 | ibot | tene has karma of -10 |
| 23:46.30 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 23:46.39 | Tene | ~scytheblade++ |
| 23:46.42 | Tene | ~scytheblade1++ |
| 23:46.46 | nick125_lappy | ~karma nick125_lappy |
| 23:46.46 | ibot | nick125_lappy has neutral karma |
| 23:46.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ~karma ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:46.56 | ibot | scytheblade1 has karma of 1 |
| 23:46.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoo! |
| 23:57.10 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
