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| 00:41.07 | ringhals | I want ot make some new ringtones for my Cisco IP phones.. I have the format specs but can anyone help me with the sox command? |
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| 02:17.31 | justingiboney | anyone know how to install wine on a amd64 running ubuntu? |
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| 02:33.42 | justingiboney | okay any know about using 32-bit libraries like ia32-libs and lib32asound2 with amd64? |
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| 02:40.18 | tensai | justingiboney: sjansen probably would if he were here |
| 02:41.38 | justingiboney | thanks |
| 02:42.14 | tensai | on both of my 64 bit servers we're running 32 bit kernels |
| 02:43.13 | justingiboney | ya i have no idea what I installed |
| 03:05.32 | elg | ringhals: I can probably help you with the sox command if you know the format it needs to be in |
| 03:05.35 | elg | and if you ask quickly |
| 03:20.52 | tensai | o/~ I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. ~/o |
| 03:31.32 | sontek | so whats up with Utah banning keyword advertisements? =) |
| 03:33.19 | bertbob | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.33 | tensai | apparently they've got a budget surplus to waste on a fruitless legal defense |
| 03:33.57 | tensai | bertbob: I thought cp80 maxed them out for this year already |
| 03:35.32 | bertbob | you may be right...their partners in law firms need some experience before a high court |
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| 04:01.14 | raventh1 | sontek: lol |
| 04:01.26 | raventh1 | sontek, i think something is broke at work :/ |
| 04:01.35 | raventh1 | nothing super major |
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| 05:20.32 | nick125_lappy | wee |
| 05:20.46 | nick125_lappy | How's everyone tonight? |
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| 05:56.57 | sontek | raventh1: why? |
| 05:58.21 | raventh1 | did you get my pms ? |
| 05:58.32 | sontek | raventh1: yeah |
| 05:58.41 | sontek | that doesn't sound like anything broke |
| 05:58.49 | raventh1 | oh ok |
| 05:58.49 | sontek | just sounds like things didn't get setup properly :P |
| 05:59.08 | raventh1 | ya, that's all i meant |
| 06:09.00 | sontek | raventh1: you'll probably want to come in before Trent on Monday to get it fixed before any clients have a chance to call him |
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| 06:16.43 | justingiboney | so I got wine to work, but Dawn of War doesn't see my cd as real |
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| 07:12.34 | Supaplex | here's a relic from a decade or more ago. The Great Abyss BBS. http://armada.daxal.com/~supaplex/vmware/freedos/kbbsutil.png |
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| 16:07.07 | elg | anyone good with scons? |
| 16:27.59 | harleypig | I like a good scone ... |
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| 17:26.01 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 17:26.01 | ibot | beats Jayce^ senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
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| 17:55.58 | bonez39 | anyone here have experience with or use 'ipcheck' to update dns where one's IP is dynamic? |
| 18:14.03 | bonez39 | wow...this is a quiet Saturday |
| 18:14.26 | jsmith | No kidding |
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| 18:28.13 | harleypig | Can anyone tell me if a usb cable to a phone can be physically limited to *only* being a power supply? |
| 18:28.24 | harleypig | Does that question even make sense? |
| 18:29.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Depends on the phone end |
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| 18:29.52 | ScytheBlade1 | The client side tells the host side what it wans |
| 18:29.53 | ScytheBlade1 | *wants |
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| 19:04.19 | jsmith | Silly power outages :-( |
| 19:04.39 | elg | scons sucks |
| 19:07.40 | jsmith | scons, the software? |
| 19:11.11 | elg | scons the "let's improve on make by giving people a few useful tools and making them write their own build logic so that every scons "makefile" is opaque, buggy, and incomplete and things will exponentially approach the ugliness of autotools without the benefits" |
| 19:12.15 | elg | make may be lame, but it's easy to do simple things in it and it's easy to read even the really strange syntax |
| 19:12.20 | elg | scons is opaque to all but python programmers who have stuffed the massive scons api into their brains |
| 19:12.47 | nick125_lappy | elg: That sounds painful |
| 19:12.56 | elg | i gave it a fair shot |
| 19:13.05 | elg | we used it on ardour. I dealt with it all summer |
| 19:13.14 | elg | and now I'm trying to build another program that's using scons |
| 19:13.30 | elg | first it needed a specific version because the scons api keeps changing |
| 19:13.48 | elg | then I can't find any reasonable way to do the equivalent of setting CFLAGS |
| 19:13.55 | jsmith | Really? |
| 19:13.59 | elg | ya |
| 19:14.06 | jsmith | You'd think that would be one of the most important things? |
| 19:14.07 | elg | you'd think, you know - basic functionality? |
| 19:14.24 | elg | on ardour, we did a lot of configure-like checks |
| 19:14.36 | elg | scons offered no easy way to remember the results of those checks |
| 19:14.44 | elg | so every tiniest rebuild took 5 minutes |
| 19:14.53 | elg | mostly doing checks that it repeats every single time |
| 19:15.35 | elg | isn't that a fundamental element of the design of autotools? I mean autotools is an example of how not to write software but its goals and raison dêtre are solid |
| 19:16.25 | jsmith | I 100% agree with you |
| 19:19.11 | elg | i'm all for improving make. my opinion is now officially and irrevocably that scons is a failed attempt |
| 19:19.32 | jsmith | irrevocably, eh? |
| 19:19.43 | jsmith | That's a strong word when it comes to software ;-) |
| 19:20.35 | elg | it would take a serious redesign and paradigm shift on their part, and probably completely break all backwards compatibility which would destroy their momentum |
| 19:21.07 | elg | so I'd say with about the same probability as that I will suddenly start levitating because the air molecules all line up and start pressing up on my chair |
| 19:21.47 | nick125_lappy | Anyone here use ifplugd on gentoo? |
| 19:22.02 | elg | which incidentally was discussed in a talk at the miniconference here today :) trying to figure out how to rectify things that are "impossible" to physicists and merely "very improbable" to statisticians |
| 19:22.09 | elg | talking about said things, that is |
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| 19:29.41 | elg | incidentally, while rake isn't nearly as sucky as scons, it's still not an improvement on make, imho |
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| 22:14.27 | elg | *snicker* |
| 22:14.44 | vontrapp | *snacker* |
| 22:15.08 | nick125_lappy | *smacker* |
| 22:16.06 | vontrapp | *slacker* |
| 22:20.55 | elg | ad on sf.net: "Try Minix 3, the blah blah blah, much smaller than linux!" |
| 22:21.00 | elg | as if size is an issue these days |
| 22:21.32 | Tene | elg: not in personal computers, no |
| 22:24.38 | elg | i wish i could remember the whole thing but my network connection froze just as I was about to type it and I had closed the window |
| 22:26.06 | elg | Tene: it didn't say, "try minix 3, the awesome embedded system" |
| 22:26.32 | elg | it had a picture of a racoon too. everybody knows you can't embed racoons |
| 22:26.53 | Tene | *I* can! |
| 22:27.37 | elg | only if you leave out the part of the brain that knows how to open garbage cans |
| 22:27.43 | elg | but then is it really a racoon? |
| 22:27.52 | Tene | Well, not really... |
| 22:28.37 | elg | sigh |
| 22:28.40 | elg | after all that work |
| 22:28.50 | elg | a veritable marathon of porting |
| 22:29.04 | elg | (build porting. i wouldn't have bothered with code) |
| 22:29.07 | elg | $ ./gusanos |
| 22:29.07 | elg | set_gfx_mode(1, 320, 240, 0, 0): Resolution not supported |
| 23:00.46 | elg | i might as well be sitting in africa listening to a zulu medicine doctor |
| 23:01.38 | elg | (listening to a math dept presentation) |
| 23:01.49 | elg | I wonder if CS is as opaque to them |
| 23:01.57 | elg | as their crazy math jargon is to us |
| 23:04.01 | elg | "diamond true which is the same as box not true not true false which is the same as ..." |
| 23:04.06 | elg | word for word |
| 23:04.43 | elg | I bet you didn't know box p -> box box p is the same as diamond diamond p -> diamond p |
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