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| 00:33.15 | elg | Lone_Wanderer: cs isn't all about writing hardcore C and device drivers |
| 00:33.15 | elg | what you really want is a school that makes you use a dozen different languages |
| 00:33.15 | elg | THAT'S CS |
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| 00:48.03 | vontrapp | is there some kind of typing practice program where you can practice on whatever text you give it? |
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| 00:59.17 | Lone_Wanderer | elg: I know, but I don't want to use a pansy language like Java. |
| 00:59.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, okay, I don't mind learning Java. But I don't want it to be the introductory language. |
| 00:59.39 | Newsome | you'd rather use a pansy language like python? |
| 00:59.43 | Newsome | or ruby? |
| 01:00.07 | Lone_Wanderer | When I was a student at the U of M, they made us learn C. |
| 01:00.09 | Lone_Wanderer | And we liked it! |
| 01:00.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Now these kids get into college and start learning Java and think they know everything. |
| 01:00.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Bah humbug! They don't know crap! |
| 01:00.45 | Newsome | oh, well if you're talking about C, then fine. C isn't a pansy language |
| 01:01.08 | Lone_Wanderer | If you can't find an infinite loop with nothing more than a core dump, you don't deserve to call yourself a programmer. |
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| 01:01.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, I just think that making people learn C is a good weeding out process. |
| 01:01.56 | Lone_Wanderer | I mean, I had to suffer through it. |
| 01:01.59 | Lone_Wanderer | So should they! |
| 01:03.00 | Lone_Wanderer | (and likes it) |
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| 01:58.06 | levi_home | Lone_Wanderer: I wish that OS drivers weren't written in C. |
| 02:00.02 | elg | Lone_Wanderer: you'd rather use pascal? |
| 02:00.14 | elg | that's the most common pansy introductory language before java came along |
| 02:00.26 | levi_home | elg: If you were going to use a Wirth language, it would probably be Modula or Oberon. |
| 02:00.45 | elg | well I'm just saying what was common |
| 02:00.55 | elg | my first semester was pascal |
| 02:01.00 | levi_home | Mine too. |
| 02:01.06 | elg | and I've heard a lot of other schools used pascal back then too |
| 02:01.06 | levi_home | Probably around the same time as mine. |
| 02:01.37 | levi_home | Not that Pascal is that bad of a language, but it's probably not the best choice for a device driver. |
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| 03:00.55 | findlay | hello |
| 03:05.57 | tensai | levi_home: I finally got my hands on The Silver Spoon |
| 03:10.27 | tensai | and I made a simple salsa di pomodoro and it was delicious |
| 03:16.59 | levi_home | tensai: Excellent. :) |
| 03:17.13 | levi_home | I haven't cooked anything in a while. |
| 03:17.32 | levi_home | Being in school kind of cuts down for my enthusiasm for hobbies. |
| 03:17.43 | tensai | yeah I can see that |
| 03:19.22 | tensai | I'm going to try making apple tacos |
| 03:19.24 | levi_home | Ooh, my torrent is cooking along at 50KB/s :P |
| 03:19.28 | levi_home | Apple tacos? |
| 03:19.31 | levi_home | That sounds odd. |
| 03:19.38 | levi_home | Is it a dessert or a main course? |
| 03:19.40 | tensai | doesn't it though? I think it could work. |
| 03:19.42 | tensai | main course |
| 03:19.45 | tensai | spicy |
| 03:19.49 | levi_home | Hmm. |
| 03:20.12 | tensai | in another channel somebody said "apples and oranges", to which somebody said "no, like apples and tacos" |
| 03:20.26 | tensai | and I thought, well why not? |
| 03:21.51 | levi_home | I think it could make a good dessert, but I remain skeptical about non-dessert applications of apples. |
| 03:23.23 | levi_home | But hey, experimentation is good. :) |
| 03:29.43 | levi_home | My wife is watching the Bachelor. What an awful show. |
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| 03:31.55 | tensai | no doubt. there's a lot of crap on tv. |
| 03:32.17 | tensai | with my wife and kids out of town I've watched so little tv and it's been nice |
| 03:33.10 | Supaplex | power failures-- |
| 03:39.56 | levi_home | http://www.tellstuff.com/objects.html <- interesting stuff. |
| 03:39.58 | brac | [How To Tell Stuff To A Computer] |
| 03:40.00 | levi_home | elg: ping |
| 03:40.52 | levi_home | I implemented a resolution algorithm for first-order logic. It was pretty cool. |
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| 04:25.36 | levi_home | What's everyone up to tonight? It's too quiet. |
| 04:27.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Writing a paper for school after 13 hours of work/school. |
| 04:27.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Oddly, sitting and writing (read: working) is relaxing after all of that. |
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| 06:21.28 | Tene | http://www.mozilla.org/newlayout/demo/expando.html |
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| 08:00.50 | nick125_lappy | Ugh, fun. |
| 08:01.13 | nick125_lappy | I think my ext3 partition decided to shoot itself and take my /home folder with it |
| 08:03.27 | nick125_lappy | oh crap |
| 08:03.35 | nick125_lappy | It decided to take my /etc with it |
| 08:03.41 | nick125_lappy | **** |
| 08:03.52 | nick125_lappy | and my /var/ too |
| 08:03.54 | nick125_lappy | great |
| 08:14.45 | nick125_lappy | I wanted to clean some space off my hard drive, but, I really didn't need ext3 to help |
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| 12:06.18 | brac | Linux XP on it |
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| 14:32.06 | goozbach | my cat can eat an entire pineapple |
| 14:33.06 | redbeard1 | hey goozbach |
| 14:34.18 | goozbach | hey redbeard1 |
| 14:34.50 | redbeard1 | want some ice cream? |
| 14:35.09 | redbeard1 | i have some if you want to come over |
| 14:36.42 | goozbach | can you run it by the office? |
| 14:36.47 | goozbach | what kind today? |
| 14:36.56 | redbeard1 | it's the five spice from yesterday |
| 14:37.00 | goozbach | ohh |
| 14:37.07 | goozbach | star-seed? |
| 14:37.08 | redbeard1 | you'll need to come over if you want some |
| 14:37.23 | goozbach | tastes like licorice? |
| 14:37.29 | redbeard1 | a little, yeah |
| 14:38.38 | redbeard1 | some clove, ginger and cinnamon in there too of course |
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| 14:53.40 | jsmith | WoodsDog: Hey man! How's life? |
| 14:53.52 | WoodsDog | good..how's life with you? |
| 14:54.17 | goozbach | yay! taxes |
| 14:54.21 | goozbach | oh wait... |
| 14:54.28 | goozbach | BOO paying taxes! |
| 14:57.26 | jsmith | WoodsDog: Not too shabby... |
| 14:58.52 | graphyx | jsmith: what are you doing? |
| 14:59.02 | graphyx | Going to be in little rock at any point? |
| 14:59.11 | jsmith | Pennsylvania tomorrow, and then California next week |
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| 15:15.37 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 15:15.39 | ibot | strangles herlo with a 9-pole serial cable |
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| 15:17.42 | jsmith | sjansen: Good one |
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| 15:30.08 | findlay | is there any way to clear a user from the system's memory banks without rebooting the computer? |
| 15:31.19 | goozbach | pkill? |
| 15:31.37 | findlay | goozbach: I'm talking about a user not a process |
| 15:31.57 | findlay | I've already stopped ldap and yet the joker user remains |
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| 15:33.56 | sjansen | findlay: man pkill will review pkill -u |
| 15:34.07 | sjansen | goozbach++ |
| 15:34.16 | sjansen | s/review/reveal/ |
| 15:34.27 | sjansen | pkill -9 -u findlay |
| 15:34.36 | findlay | wouldn't I rather review it? |
| 15:35.16 | findlay | (sjansen,goozbach)++ |
| 15:37.03 | findlay | sjansen: I don't understand. '-u euid' says 'Only match *processes* whose effective user ID is listed.' |
| 15:37.25 | findlay | I don't see anything about killing users |
| 15:38.08 | sjansen | The only sense where the verb "kill" makes sense is killing a process running as a particular user. |
| 15:38.30 | sjansen | Now it could be that you mean "delete" as in userdel, but I doubt it. |
| 15:39.01 | findlay | no |
| 15:39.14 | findlay | but in this case the user has clobbered the root account |
| 15:39.19 | sjansen | Or you could mean "disconnect", but that doesn't make much sense either since you said the server isn't running. |
| 15:39.27 | findlay | and I don't want to go and pkill -u 0 |
| 15:40.06 | sjansen | clobbered? You're going to have to be more exact. Preferably in the form of multiple sentences. |
| 15:42.09 | goozbach | mmmm.... raid SIX |
| 15:43.57 | levi | "Kill dash nine... no more CPU time! Kill dash nine... now your process is mine!" |
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| 15:46.01 | goozbach | and to imagine... this machine was sitting NEW in the box for long over 2 years |
| 15:46.09 | goozbach | now I've got two of them! |
| 15:46.12 | goozbach | yay! |
| 15:46.17 | Lone_Wanderer | What machine? |
| 15:46.27 | goozbach | poweredge 2650 |
| 15:46.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Cool. I have no idea what that is. |
| 15:46.39 | goozbach | I get to play with clustering |
| 15:46.42 | Lone_Wanderer | I hope it's not something that becomes obsolete quickly. |
| 15:46.44 | Lone_Wanderer | For your sake. |
| 15:46.45 | graphyx | dell server |
| 15:46.51 | goozbach | Lone_Wanderer: Dell rackmount server |
| 15:46.52 | graphyx | 2650 isn't too old |
| 15:46.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahh, fun. |
| 15:47.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Because my arteries aren't hard enough already. |
| 15:47.04 | levi | 2650 /sounds/ old. |
| 15:47.11 | goozbach | xeon 3ghz |
| 15:47.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah it sounds like 2600 and we all know how old blue boxing is. |
| 15:47.26 | levi | Yeah, but it's not even dual-core! :P |
| 15:47.40 | goozbach | levi: but it's quad-proc |
| 15:47.54 | goozbach | 8G of RAM |
| 15:47.58 | levi | goozbach: Well, I suppose it could be a decent one, then. |
| 15:48.02 | goozbach | just sitting collecting dust |
| 15:48.03 | sjansen | ~steal goozbach's toys |
| 15:48.16 | ibot | ACTION grabs goozbach's toys and gives it to sjansen |
| 15:48.16 | levi | goozbach: I've got a couple of 6950s, though. ;P |
| 15:48.16 | goozbach | now It's mine! |
| 15:48.26 | goozbach | ohh 6950's |
| 15:48.34 | levi | Not to mention a bunch of 1950s, 2950s, and 1435s. |
| 15:48.36 | goozbach | spec'ed out on the RAM? |
| 15:48.40 | findlay | sjansen: there's a user called bub who has the same UID as root |
| 15:48.48 | goozbach | heh |
| 15:48.54 | goozbach | findlay got haxored |
| 15:48.58 | levi | goozbach: I don't know. I've got so much computing power that I don't know what to do with it. :P |
| 15:49.03 | findlay | when I do `su root` it always goes to bub |
| 15:49.08 | sjansen | s/haxored/h4x0rd/ |
| 15:49.17 | goozbach | findlay: remove bub's line in /etc/passwd |
| 15:49.19 | graphyx | levi folding@work? |
| 15:49.25 | goozbach | and /etc/shadow |
| 15:49.28 | findlay | or ssh root@box the user shows up as bub@box |
| 15:49.31 | levi | graphyx: Uh, no. |
| 15:49.38 | bonez39 | What might be causing this error >> Setting up apache-perl (1.3.34-4.1) ... Configuration syntax error detected, not starting/reloading... Syntax error on line 329 of /etc/apache-perl/httpd.conf: <Directory not allowed here |
| 15:49.40 | findlay | goozbach: bub's not in /etc/passwd |
| 15:49.54 | goozbach | HAXORED!!!! |
| 15:49.58 | findlay | he came from ldap |
| 15:50.04 | goozbach | ahh |
| 15:50.10 | goozbach | HAXORED!!! |
| 15:50.15 | sjansen | Perhaps you've got misconfigured NIS/LDAP/etc. |
| 15:50.22 | graphyx | bonez39: the <directory> tag is not located in a proper container. |
| 15:50.38 | sjansen | So fix LDAP, silly. |
| 15:50.51 | graphyx | findlay: sounds like a cheese bad horror movie. It came from LDAP!!!! |
| 15:50.58 | sjansen | UID < 100 should not come from network user stores |
| 15:51.20 | findlay | well despite my pretentions for SA wisdom I actually just did `pkill -u bub` and that pretty much made the system unresponsive |
| 15:51.32 | findlay | so I rebooted and everything is happy now |
| 15:51.59 | graphyx | what did you reboot that you didn't want to? |
| 15:52.36 | findlay | a server |
| 15:52.53 | graphyx | Right, but what was it serving? |
| 15:53.06 | goozbach | graphyx: services |
| 15:53.10 | sjansen | chocolate fudge brownies |
| 15:53.47 | findlay | shares and profiles |
| 15:54.03 | graphyx | ok |
| 15:54.19 | sjansen | with vanilla ice cream |
| 15:55.03 | tensai | ~ice cream elg |
| 15:55.31 | ibot | ACTION sneaks up behind cream elg and slides a single piece of ice down the back of his/her shirt and then dumps the entire bucket of ice down TheRedBaron's back |
| 15:55.31 | bonez39 | graphyx, so maybe it's missing the > bracket? is that the sort of thing I should check? |
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| 15:57.54 | graphyx | bonez39: checking for valid configs is a good idea |
| 15:58.00 | findlay | great, now the system won't even translate UIDs into LDAP names |
| 15:58.06 | graphyx | if you get terrible stuck post in in a paste bin |
| 15:58.20 | bonez39 | graphyx, never had any trouble with this until I recently ran apt-get upgrade... |
| 15:58.37 | graphyx | Hmm... |
| 15:58.49 | graphyx | Did you do the etc-update? |
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| 15:59.15 | graphyx | nvm |
| 15:59.21 | graphyx | wrong system. |
| 15:59.23 | bonez39 | I ran 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' |
| 15:59.46 | graphyx | what was the old/new version of apache? |
| 16:00.16 | bonez39 | hmmmm I don't recall now.....but i don't see any erros about apache anywhere..I am running apache2 |
| 16:00.38 | Lone_Wanderer | ~icecream elg |
| 16:00.45 | ibot | ACTION takes elg's order and goes off in search of elg's favorite icecream. |
| 16:01.39 | bonez39 | graphyx, here's the complete output.....http://pastebin.ca/433047 |
| 16:01.39 | graphyx | What was updating? apache or perl-apache? |
| 16:02.12 | graphyx | Do you get errors when starting apache? |
| 16:03.38 | bonez39 | apache-perl |
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| 16:05.37 | bonez39 | no apache restarts or starts just fine |
| 16:08.46 | levi | http://xkcd.com/c244.html |
| 16:08.47 | brac | [xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe] |
| 16:10.00 | sjansen | xkcd++ |
| 16:11.30 | bonez39 | is mozilla-thunderbird changed? I went to launch it and even though apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird says it's already installed, and newest version...I can't launch it |
| 16:11.32 | elg | http://hans.fugal.net/tmp/brick_oven.pdf |
| 16:11.39 | elg | tensai: that's for you especially |
| 16:11.53 | rsimpkins | gah, I dropped the ball on the plug meeting announcment. |
| 16:11.55 | elg | It was quite a puzzle to get the bricks to work without mortar |
| 16:12.01 | tensai | elg: did you get my javascript? |
| 16:12.02 | rsimpkins | Anyone know what NUPM is doing? |
| 16:12.23 | Tene | rsimpkins: they're exploding chickens. |
| 16:12.27 | elg | tensai: yeah, thanks |
| 16:12.37 | rsimpkins | Tene: Okay, and are you doing that then? |
| 16:12.43 | Tene | rsimpkins: nope |
| 16:12.54 | rsimpkins | Tene: Who is exploding the chickens? |
| 16:13.29 | Tene | rsimpkins: no idea. |
| 16:13.40 | Tene | I mean... um... sjansen? |
| 16:13.52 | bonez39 | icedove? |
| 16:14.20 | sjansen | They call me the midnight bomber what bombs at midnight! |
| 16:14.24 | goozbach | http://blogs.herald.com/dave_barrys_blog/2007/04/when_people_try.html |
| 16:14.27 | sjansen | Bad is good, baby, bad is good! |
| 16:14.59 | goozbach | sjansen: that link is for you |
| 16:15.18 | tensai | elg: how are you going to make the concrete? build forms and pour it? |
| 16:17.13 | elg | yeah |
| 16:17.22 | elg | intentionally sized for easy forming with 2x4s |
| 16:17.27 | elg | and plywood |
| 16:18.53 | elg | might break the concrete up into smaller chunks - need to estimate weight |
| 16:19.04 | elg | i want two people to be able to dismantle and move the thing |
| 16:24.49 | rsimpkins | Tene: Do you have a plug profile? |
| 16:25.06 | rsimpkins | sjansen: I don't think you have a profile, do you? |
| 16:25.28 | Tene | rsimpkins: I doubt it. |
| 16:25.30 | Tene | why? |
| 16:25.38 | goozbach | any perl users around? |
| 16:25.55 | Tene | goozbach: yes |
| 16:26.31 | goozbach | seen any issues with installing Bundle::CPAN lately |
| 16:26.31 | Tene | No. |
| 16:26.37 | goozbach | just tried updating cpan on a stock RHEL4AS box |
| 16:26.41 | goozbach | and it didn't like it much |
| 16:26.56 | Supaplex | pity |
| 16:29.05 | levi | elg: BTW, did you get the link the other day for the planning algorithms book? |
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| 16:31.55 | sjansen | planning algorithms? |
| 16:31.55 | levi | Yeah: http://planning.cs.uiuc.edu/ |
| 16:31.55 | levi | For robotics, game AI, etc. |
| 16:34.57 | tensai | wow, this email from my senator is pretty awesome. now I understand exactly how he intends to represent me |
| 16:35.01 | tensai | "<P><FONT = SIZE=2> </FONT></P>" |
| 16:35.40 | findlay | I don't get it |
| 16:38.59 | sjansen | levi: nice :-) |
| 16:39.24 | levi | Free online textbooks are wonderful. :) |
| 16:39.55 | levi | Especially when they're on advanced topics that you wouldn't find in a local library or bookstore (unless you live next to and have access to a university library). |
| 16:40.50 | graphyx | ~karma xkcd |
| 16:40.50 | ibot | xkcd has neutral karma |
| 16:44.04 | elg | levi: thanks, looks interesting. I might skim through it sometime |
| 16:44.35 | levi | elg: I've been trying to give you that link for about 3 days now. ;) |
| 16:45.43 | elg | heh |
| 16:45.55 | elg | I did see it last time but didn't have a chance to click through |
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| 16:58.41 | levi | Well, now that I know you have the link, my work is done. |
| 17:04.28 | unum | does linux have a compressed filesystem like netware(where it does automatic compression and decompression) |
| 17:06.48 | sjansen | maybe, but not standard or widely used |
| 17:07.39 | sjansen | if it does, I'd be concerned it isn't common enough to be truly reliable |
| 17:17.39 | findlay | cramfs? |
| 17:24.15 | beandog | isnt cramfs readonly? |
| 17:24.19 | beandog | or is that squashfs |
| 17:24.31 | beandog | or are they the same |
| 17:26.23 | sjansen | wikipedia says cramfs and squashfs are different but both are readonly |
| 17:28.17 | vontrapp | ~readonly sjansen |
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| 17:43.46 | herlo | emcnabb: ping |
| 17:56.34 | elg | could you and your wife/gf/eq president lift a 200 pound concrete slab easily? |
| 17:57.29 | goozbach | elg: I'd say put pipe from one end to another so you can slip carry bars through |
| 17:59.17 | elg | then I can hire some chinese dudes to trot it down the street |
| 17:59.36 | sjansen | racist |
| 17:59.45 | elg | they have the most practice |
| 18:05.32 | levi | Aaaaaagh. |
| 18:06.57 | levi | I'm trying to figure out why this program doesn't work. It's very difficult to follow what it's doing because it's multithreaded and communicates with itself (apparently) through pipes. |
| 18:09.03 | levi | It might be a very nice design, if there were some comments somewhere describing what was going on. As it is, the only comments are stupid license crap. |
| 18:10.56 | atoponce | beandog: i agree about the bad behavior plugin. no logs is annoying |
| 18:11.10 | atoponce | so, i don't know, or at least can't tell, if it is stopping any spam or not |
| 18:12.32 | atoponce | i guess it does have lite logs in the options page |
| 18:12.40 | levi | Also, reading this super-defensive code with all sorts of checks for inconsistencies that don't actually give you any information about what failed or why really makes me appreciate the Erlang fail-fast ideology. |
| 18:13.47 | levi | Before dereferencing a struct pointer, it first checks that it is not null, and then that it has the proper magic number in it. Essentially a dynamic type check, done manually. |
| 18:14.29 | levi | Except you don't get a type error if it fails, just a 'return -1', which is the same thing you get for every other error. |
| 18:15.04 | jsmith | Yuck |
| 18:15.22 | lukfugl | eww |
| 18:16.30 | ^Migs^ | nasty |
| 18:17.56 | levi | Well, actually, there's a separate error variable that often gets set, so it's not quite that bad. |
| 18:18.29 | levi | But in my case, it's getting set to an 'internal error' value, which isn't helping me much. |
| 18:18.50 | levi | Since that value gets set for a zillion different error cases. |
| 18:20.43 | beandog | atoponce: so youve tried it, then/ |
| 18:20.44 | beandog | ? |
| 18:20.56 | beandog | I turned off spam karma 2 just to see what this one by itself will do |
| 18:21.10 | beandog | Though Im thinking of just taking the blacklisted IPs from SK2 and adding them hosts.deny |
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| 18:21.50 | atoponce | beandog: yeah. i've been trying it |
| 18:22.04 | atoponce | it's blocked 1377 in the past 7 days |
| 18:22.15 | atoponce | but, i don't think i like it |
| 18:22.21 | beandog | I wonder if this thing even *keeps* logs. |
| 18:22.25 | atoponce | SK2 has been doing great for me thus far |
| 18:22.39 | beandog | well the thing I hate about sk2 is it still lets blacklisted IPs comment! |
| 18:22.40 | atoponce | well, there is a check box saying "Verbose HTTP request logging' |
| 18:22.44 | beandog | Just delete them, stupid thing. |
| 18:23.01 | atoponce | really? i don't think i've had that problem |
| 18:23.33 | beandog | really? oh yah, I still get hundreds of comment spam |
| 18:23.35 | beandog | all flagged of course |
| 18:23.40 | atoponce | really? wow |
| 18:23.41 | beandog | I just get tired of deleting them. |
| 18:23.56 | atoponce | i get one or two here or there, but they all fall into the moderation queue |
| 18:24.05 | beandog | one or two? |
| 18:24.06 | beandog | you suck. |
| 18:24.11 | beandog | :) |
| 18:24.20 | beandog | and I've even got SK2 on the highest settings on just about everything |
| 18:24.25 | atoponce | yeah. :) |
| 18:24.34 | atoponce | 25928 caught, thus far |
| 18:24.59 | atoponce | i've only had to step in on 78 of them |
| 18:25.00 | beandog | that's double mine |
| 18:25.25 | beandog | it catches them, I just wish it would automatically delete them. |
| 18:25.42 | atoponce | you can set that |
| 18:25.51 | beandog | yah but it will only do it if you visit the manage sk2 page |
| 18:26.07 | atoponce | what version are you running? |
| 18:26.11 | beandog | anyway, the ideal solution is to not let anyone blacklisted comment in the first place. |
| 18:26.14 | beandog | the latest one |
| 18:26.19 | atoponce | of course |
| 18:26.40 | atoponce | SK2 purges comment spams older that 10 days automatically for me |
| 18:27.09 | beandog | 2,237 unique IPs blacklisted |
| 18:27.33 | atoponce | blacklist more than 30 days and logs older than 7 days: all automatically |
| 18:29.03 | beandog | ok |
| 18:29.07 | atoponce | 5,209 blacklisted ips here |
| 18:29.08 | beandog | This is the one I think I have configured wrong |
| 18:29.09 | beandog | is Anubis |
| 18:29.23 | beandog | This plugin is the ultimate judge of a comment's fate: the comment's karma is weighted and it is either discarded as spam, moderated or displayed. |
| 18:29.28 | beandog | "discarded as spam" |
| 18:29.30 | beandog | doe sthat mean deleted? |
| 18:29.54 | atoponce | i wouldn't necessarily think so. could be thrown in a db table, and not shown on the site |
| 18:31.41 | beandog | hmm. |
| 18:33.04 | atoponce | beandog: http://wordpress.org/support/topic/70315 |
| 18:33.17 | beandog | yah, no replies |
| 18:34.04 | atoponce | the sk2 user guide recommends disabling the Anubis plugin |
| 18:34.26 | atoponce | "all comments will go straight to the moderation regardless of their karma." |
| 18:35.00 | beandog | bah. |
| 18:35.01 | beandog | ok |
| 18:35.04 | beandog | bah. |
| 18:35.13 | beandog | -_- |
| 18:35.53 | atoponce | is anubis just another spam catcher? |
| 18:36.03 | beandog | that what Im trying to figure out |
| 18:36.21 | beandog | "Caution is advised in disabling the Anubis plugin: all comments will go straight to moderation regardless of their karma." |
| 18:36.27 | atoponce | i'm running just sk2, and i never have any trouble. it's on the default settings, too |
| 18:36.27 | beandog | see, everything I read says dont disable it. |
| 18:36.52 | beandog | Well it works great, I just dont like them stockpiling in moderation when their karma is -9,023 |
| 18:36.55 | atoponce | hmmm |
| 18:37.08 | beandog | its like .. just *delete* the stupid thing if its karma is <=-5 |
| 18:37.28 | beandog | although I suppose that really wouldnt be hard to code in there, most likely. |
| 18:37.35 | beandog | in theory. |
| 18:40.16 | atoponce | hmmm. moderation catches mine at >= -6 & < 10 it looks like |
| 18:40.25 | beandog | Ive tweaked this thing so much |
| 18:40.29 | beandog | I might just reset it completely. |
| 18:40.36 | atoponce | hmmm. nope, that's not right. |
| 18:40.58 | atoponce | >= -6 & < 0 |
| 18:41.36 | beandog | oh now thats cool. |
| 18:41.45 | beandog | it kept my blacklist and my logs |
| 18:41.49 | beandog | just reset all my settings |
| 18:41.50 | beandog | nice. |
| 18:42.19 | beandog | If (and only if) the comment's karma is within a certain error margin, provide the commenter with a chance to clear himself by solving a Captcha. |
| 18:42.24 | beandog | I had that one disabled. |
| 18:42.31 | atoponce | ahh |
| 18:42.37 | atoponce | that'll help |
| 18:42.37 | beandog | was it turned on for yours? |
| 18:42.41 | atoponce | yeah |
| 18:42.42 | beandog | okay |
| 18:42.45 | beandog | well, all I saw was "Captcha" |
| 18:42.53 | beandog | and visions of evil empires erupted in my head |
| 18:42.56 | beandog | so I turned it off. |
| 18:43.00 | atoponce | heh |
| 18:43.22 | atoponce | wait |
| 18:43.24 | atoponce | there it is |
| 18:43.31 | atoponce | odd i've never noticed it before |
| 18:43.44 | atoponce | "Anubis - Stregth: Enabled" |
| 18:43.46 | atoponce | interesting |
| 18:43.47 | beandog | I don't like how he says "over" |
| 18:43.53 | beandog | Give the Captcha backup for karma over -10 |
| 18:43.55 | atoponce | i thought it was a separate plugin for WP |
| 18:43.56 | atoponce | :) |
| 18:43.58 | beandog | shouldnt that be under? |
| 18:44.47 | atoponce | where you looking? |
| 18:44.54 | beandog | advanced options |
| 18:45.25 | atoponce | "Automatically blacklist URLs and IP when karma under -10" |
| 18:45.32 | atoponce | "Automatically blacklist URLs and IP when karma over 10" |
| 18:45.50 | atoponce | s/blacklist/whitelist/ |
| 18:46.13 | beandog | you disalbed bad behavior? how come |
| 18:46.41 | atoponce | i'd like to see what it's doing. how can i be sure that it's stopping network traffic? |
| 18:47.03 | atoponce | ultimately, that's all i'm concerned about |
| 18:47.07 | beandog | oh crap. |
| 18:47.12 | beandog | it cleaned out my blacklist to 511 |
| 18:47.13 | beandog | :C |
| 18:47.13 | atoponce | but, i don't want false positives, either |
| 18:47.27 | beandog | yah thats true |
| 18:47.30 | beandog | I have no idea what its doing. |
| 18:47.35 | atoponce | exactly |
| 18:48.35 | beandog | hmm |
| 18:48.36 | beandog | intersting |
| 18:48.43 | beandog | look in wp_bad_behavior. |
| 18:48.52 | beandog | bah |
| 18:48.56 | beandog | it is useless without logs. |
| 18:49.08 | atoponce | is it a dir, or table? |
| 18:49.21 | beandog | table |
| 18:49.25 | beandog | I know what Im gonna do! |
| 18:49.46 | beandog | Just put a wrapper function around the comment submit, and check to see if theyre blacklisted |
| 18:49.49 | beandog | that's easy. |
| 18:49.50 | beandog | maybe. |
| 18:49.51 | beandog | I hope. |
| 18:50.04 | beandog | sounds like work. |
| 18:50.18 | atoponce | meh. i'll just stick with sk2 and disable the others. it's been doing great for me thus far, no need to change anything now |
| 18:50.24 | beandog | yah |
| 18:50.28 | beandog | well I reset it to factory settings |
| 18:50.32 | beandog | we'll see how it goes. |
| 18:50.32 | atoponce | yeah |
| 18:50.40 | atoponce | that's what mine are set to |
| 18:50.45 | atoponce | time for lunch |
| 18:50.46 | beandog | my tweaking probably destroyed it anyway |
| 18:50.54 | beandog | not that that's ever happened before.... |
| 18:51.00 | atoponce | :) |
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| 18:52.35 | beandog | http://techdirt.com/articles/20070410/024320.shtml |
| 18:52.36 | brac | [Techdirt: CleanFlicks Now Claiming It Can Edit DVDs For 'Educational' Purposes] |
| 18:52.37 | beandog | oh boy, good luck. |
| 18:58.58 | brac | [TID-10084802 4xx level error message not deffered by GWIA. ( 25SEP2003)] |
| 19:01.27 | sjansen | GroupWise is broken. Old news. |
| 19:04.00 | Supaplex | yyyup. |
| 19:04.05 | Supaplex | *still* |
| 19:04.23 | Supaplex | well, atleast sinclair.provo.novell.com is. |
| 19:05.14 | tensai | groupwise still does that? |
| 19:06.01 | Supaplex | I have two messages from novell's provo offices that didn't redeliver after postgrey said "450 ... Recipient address rejected: Greylisted for 300 seconds" |
| 19:06.12 | Supaplex | so I whitelisted it. |
| 19:06.54 | findlay | levi: is there some kind of formal statement that says that as the complexity of a program goes up the ability to prove it correct goes down? |
| 19:07.01 | findlay | where can I find such a statement? |
| 19:07.14 | findlay | Supaplex: that's funny |
| 19:07.27 | levi | findlay: I'm not sure if there's a format statement to that effect. |
| 19:07.28 | sjansen | findlay: No, it's sad. |
| 19:07.38 | findlay | sjansen: which is why it's funny |
| 19:08.00 | findlay | levi: by formal I mean as the result of research |
| 19:08.33 | levi | findlay: Again, I'm not sure. |
| 19:08.43 | Tene | findlay: can something be proven partially correct or partially proven correct? |
| 19:09.03 | findlay | surely somebody has defined complexity in some way and then was able to draw conclusions about it |
| 19:09.15 | findlay | ~halt Tene |
| 19:09.17 | ibot | ACTION computes Tene then halts |
| 19:09.27 | Tene | findlay: serious question, not trolling |
| 19:09.29 | levi | Whenever you offer a proof in a formal system, the applicability of that proof to the real world depends on the model that you use to map the formal system to the real world. |
| 19:09.47 | levi | findlay: Depends on what you mean by complexity. |
| 19:09.47 | sjansen | By simple observation we can determine that as the complexity of an application increases, the probability that a PHP programmer was involved in writing it decreases. Therefore, we can determine that as the complexity of an application increases it becomes easier to prove the application correct. |
| 19:09.51 | findlay | Tene: mathematics is all about the terms and definitions, man |
| 19:10.04 | levi | findlay: I think there have been some efforts in that area, but I couldn't point you to them. |
| 19:10.15 | findlay | Tene: you need to look very closely at what you mean by 'partially', and 'correct' |
| 19:10.21 | findlay | even 'prove' |
| 19:10.30 | Tene | sjansen: the complexity of the problem or the complexity of the solution? |
| 19:11.24 | sjansen | Both. Complexity of problem = faster failure. Complexity of solution = more horrific failure. |
| 19:11.35 | Tene | findlay: in that case, "for what useful definitions of the terms you used can a program be partially proven correct?" |
| 19:11.36 | findlay | Tene: there may be several ways to define 'partially proven correct' |
| 19:11.58 | findlay | like correct on a specific set of data, etc. |
| 19:12.04 | Tene | Okay. |
| 19:12.23 | findlay | or correct within a certain set of other conditions |
| 19:12.36 | Tene | sjansen: because some of the worst failures I've seen have been both written in PHP and much more complicated than necessary. |
| 19:12.53 | findlay | levi's the real guru here. You should direct your supplications to him |
| 19:13.21 | levi | I'm far from a guru, but I have read a bit about it. |
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| 19:13.43 | Tene | findlay: I was curious about the question you were asking. |
| 19:14.32 | sjansen | Oh great levi, I implore thee levi, extend thy merciful hand levi, do not lead us in the way of Cobol, VB & PHP but look down upon us levi and deliver us from evil levi. |
| 19:14.36 | levi | There generally isn't some generic 'correctness' attribute that one can prove about a program. |
| 19:15.24 | findlay | Tene: I want to be able to say that "proprietary voting machines are *wrong* also because of computable complexity infers exponentially decreased correctness" or something else damaging to that effect and then cite a source |
| 19:15.58 | lukfugl | ~smite sjansen |
| 19:16.00 | ibot | ACTION wields the mighty blade of Argothax and cleaves sjansen from crown to sole. |
| 19:16.00 | levi | One can, however, take a program that is supposed to do something and prove that it does indeed do that thing. Such proofs are limited by the assumptions that are made when constructing the proof. |
| 19:16.57 | findlay | of course it doesn't have to be so academic. Just some kind of source that says bugs are proportional to LOC |
| 19:17.46 | levi | For example, they assume that the programming language implementation actually follows the formal definition of the language that they use to construct the proof. And that no cosmic rays happen to twiddle bits while the computation is happening. |
| 19:19.29 | tensai | findlay: http://www.zmonkey.org/studies/2007/04/complexity/results.html |
| 19:19.38 | findlay | levi: can I use you as a source? |
| 19:20.01 | findlay | oooh, thanks tensai |
| 19:20.13 | levi | Sure, though my credentials aren't really worth anything. |
| 19:20.30 | levi | "guy on the internet" isn't really an authoritative source. |
| 19:20.45 | Supaplex | supaplex@findlay:~$ grep levi /etc/apt/sources.list | wc -l = 1 |
| 19:22.31 | Tene | How do I tell linux to stop printing messages to my VTs? |
| 19:22.54 | Tene | My wireless driver keeps spewing status information. |
| 19:23.29 | findlay | Tene: what's your syslogger? |
| 19:23.50 | Tene | "syslog"? |
| 19:24.31 | findlay | is it configured to print stuff out on the terminal? |
| 19:24.42 | Supaplex | setterm -msglevel |
| 19:24.45 | ^Migs^ | haha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGHty_S0TU0 |
| 19:24.52 | Tene | I'm unsure. I didn't know where to start looking for such settings. |
| 19:25.10 | Supaplex | Tene: setterm -msglevel |
| 19:26.43 | findlay | generally, I guess, the kernel and any other process can spew log info and generally the system logger handles it |
| 19:27.02 | lukfugl | ^Migs^: oooold |
| 19:27.13 | findlay | maybe he's just catching up |
| 19:27.23 | ^Migs^ | omg stfu |
| 19:27.44 | findlay | omega stuff? |
| 19:28.03 | findlay | ~date |
| 19:28.04 | ibot | It is now 2007.04.10 19:28:04 GMT |
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| 19:34.23 | sjansen | ~quote scox |
| 19:35.58 | Jayce^ | how long until delisting? |
| 19:36.49 | atoponce | by oct |
| 19:37.03 | findlay | ~oct |
| 19:37.10 | Tene | ~pause findlay |
| 19:37.15 | sjansen | If I understand correctly, less than 2 weeks. |
| 19:37.24 | findlay | help, I'm paused! |
| 19:37.28 | ^Migs^ | whoa |
| 19:37.39 | sjansen | findlay also can't type when paused |
| 19:37.41 | ^Migs^ | for once, IE renders some CSS properly and Firefox doesn't |
| 19:37.49 | findlay | ~unpause me |
| 19:37.51 | Tene | ~unpause findlay |
| 19:37.53 | ^Migs^ | or maybe IE is just compensating in a way it shouldn't be |
| 19:37.53 | jsmith | ^Migs^: Are you sure? |
| 19:38.04 | findlay | ^Migs^: IE7? |
| 19:38.09 | ^Migs^ | both IE6 and IE7 |
| 19:38.12 | findlay | hm |
| 19:38.56 | atoponce | what's the css rule? |
| 19:40.35 | ^Migs^ | I didn't really want help with it, I was just making a comment. It's on a WordPress theme. |
| 19:40.49 | atoponce | i'm just curious |
| 19:43.44 | atoponce | sco received a delisting notice feb 27 from nasdaq, it looks like |
| 19:45.22 | atoponce | novell got one too |
| 19:45.23 | atoponce | heh |
| 19:45.31 | sjansen | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2007040920165874 |
| 19:46.16 | sjansen | _IF_ what O'Gara alleges is true, hoo-boy Christ Stone's an idiot! |
| 19:48.50 | goozbach | sjansen: can you bottom-line this for those of us who have not been paying attention? |
| 19:49.13 | goozbach | jsmith-away: ping |
| 19:50.07 | sjansen | <<Maureen O’Gara, a journalist covering the computer industry since 1972, recently testified that then Novell Vice Chairman Chris Stone conveyed to her, with “laughter,” that Novell was timing its ownership claims to coincide with SCO’s earnings report in order to “confound SCO’s stock position” and “upset the stock price.”>> |
| 19:50.55 | Supaplex | google maps funny: New York, New York. to Paris France, line 23. |
| 19:51.30 | Tene | sjansen: and could you explain why that was stupid Chris Stone to do? |
| 19:52.03 | sjansen | Tene: Simple. It's illegal. |
| 19:52.14 | Tene | sjansen: what about it is illegal? |
| 19:52.58 | findlay | ~ZZ essay |
| 19:53.00 | ibot | ACTION writes and quits essay whether findlay liked it or not |
| 19:53.34 | graphyx | ~quote novl |
| 19:53.52 | graphyx | whats novells stock symbol? |
| 19:54.08 | Supaplex | ~quote novell |
| 19:54.09 | Supaplex | ? |
| 19:54.17 | Supaplex | nope. |
| 19:54.34 | Tene | ~quote SJANSEN |
| 19:54.46 | Supaplex | Novell (ticker symbol: NOVL) |
| 19:55.00 | jsmith | goozbach: pong |
| 19:55.12 | Tene | ~quote SJAN |
| 19:56.44 | Supaplex | ~quote ibot |
| 19:56.48 | sjansen | Tene: Well, the SEC tends to frown on artificially manipulating stock prices for starters. Then there's a Utah anti-competition law. And if Novell doesn't own anything, it makes the slander of title issue much more serious. |
| 19:56.58 | Tene | sjansen: Okay. |
| 20:01.30 | tensai | people read too much into these "laws". I for one don't think they'll really take off. They're just not popular enough. |
| 20:02.27 | graphyx | so novl was the right symbol |
| 20:02.39 | graphyx | so if there stock was at 7.45 why would the sec delist them? |
| 20:03.58 | Tene | ~quote NOVL |
| 20:04.45 | elg | ok, so the name of a form is not important to the receiving end of a posting of said form, right? |
| 20:04.51 | sjansen | graphyx: Usually, it isn't the SEC that delists but the exchange. |
| 20:05.00 | tensai | there's an often overlooked SEC ruling that if you trade between 5,551,275 and 5,551,295 shares you get delisted |
| 20:05.32 | sjansen | Reasons for delisting include: failure to file proper documentation, not being profitable enough to bother, and being so low value as to damage the image of the exchange. |
| 20:07.10 | sjansen | If SCOX stays below $1 for too long, they'll be asked to stop splashing around in the big kids pool and join the other annoying runts as a penny stock. |
| 20:08.15 | sjansen | IANAFA AWTAFMIAI (I am not a financial adviser, anyone who takes advice from me is an idiot.) |
| 20:08.34 | lukfugl | elg: right |
| 20:08.38 | Tene | so, sjansen, would you like to manage my finances? |
| 20:08.51 | lukfugl | the name of the form only matters client side (javascript, etc.) |
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| 20:10.03 | sjansen | Tene: Sure. Hand it over. Sign on the dotted line. Ignore the spot where it says "All your money is belong to me."--it's just a silly formality my lawyer requires. |
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| 20:19.48 | ^Migs^ | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Larry_Birkhead&oldid=121757192 |
| 20:21.42 | graphyx | ^Migs^: lol |
| 20:29.07 | lukfugl | yes, wikivandalism is soooo funny |
| 20:29.39 | graphyx | lukfugl: in general I would agree |
| 20:31.39 | graphyx | but I feel the same way whether it be a wiki, the newspaper or the network news. |
| 20:31.40 | graphyx | It is funny cause it is as common philosophy but the amount of caring by those that do care overshadows the complete apathy that the rest of the world. |
| 20:32.15 | graphyx | s/world./world has./ |
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| 20:32.47 | jkren | anyone do linux/*bsd app 'seminars' for fun and food? |
| 20:32.55 | sjansen | Apathy? Try active revulsion. I don't watch mainstream news anymore because it's such a waste of time. I like to think that in my own little way I'm contributing to the eventual death of pointless media. |
| 20:33.38 | sjansen | jkren: Define "app seminars". |
| 20:33.58 | tensai | sjansen: in many ways I agree. but outside of the local newspaper or tv station, news for podunk towns is hard to come by. |
| 20:34.44 | jkren | vpn, vnc, virtual os? anything - |
| 20:35.22 | sjansen | jkren: http://gurulabs.com/ <-- My employer |
| 20:35.40 | jkren | i have an 'empty' living room and kitchen (with electricity and heat) for a few weeks and would love to get together with some linux/bsd people for some programming fun |
| 20:36.40 | graphyx | jkren: host an open source code athon for some project. |
| 20:36.53 | graphyx | perhaps injection with google's summer of code. |
| 20:37.15 | graphyx | in conjunction I meant. |
| 20:38.14 | jkren | it seems to only be for the rest of april - the rent and utilities are covered and there is a kitchen and basement with large room and bathroom - i thought maybe this might be the place to seek out people |
| 20:38.36 | jkren | and upstairs with nice living room and kitchen |
| 20:38.52 | jkren | and dsl and routers and switches |
| 20:39.03 | *** join/#utah zerdith (n=zerdith@66-188-62-36.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) |
| 20:39.04 | goozbach | fragfest!!! |
| 20:39.09 | Tene | jkren: what sorts of software are you interested in? |
| 20:39.16 | goozbach | jkren: try the mailinglist UT-Gaming |
| 20:39.19 | goozbach | :) |
| 20:40.00 | jkren | i've done almost every linux software - and the guy next doors is a windows guy so i am branching out into openvpn and putty |
| 20:40.16 | jkren | but i would like it for fun |
| 20:41.39 | jkren | i particulary like strongswan and the web servers (lighttp and apache) |
| 20:44.02 | jkren | i have xtdesktop working with fluxbox - and love fpc |
| 20:44.28 | Tene | My just-for-fun hacking lately has been with Perl 6. |
| 20:45.26 | levi | All of my hacking lately has been work or school related. |
| 20:45.34 | mheath_ | My just-for-fun hacking has been with OpenOffice.Org |
| 20:45.45 | goozbach | in openoffice? |
| 20:45.47 | levi | Though my virtual machine project has been fun. |
| 20:45.59 | mheath_ | goozbach, Yes. |
| 20:45.59 | goozbach | geez get some docbook |
| 20:46.40 | mheath_ | goozbach, It's like....all of 20 pages long right now :P |
| 20:46.48 | Tene | LaTeX++ |
| 20:46.49 | jkren | i would love an hour or two of 'fun' perl |
| 20:47.03 | goozbach | all the more reason to put it into LaTeX or docbook |
| 20:47.09 | goozbach | before it becomes unwieldly |
| 20:47.15 | mheath_ | I'm wondering what they use for the visual powerpoint/impress-like presentations during our classes here |
| 20:47.34 | goozbach | my guess is powerpoint |
| 20:47.41 | mheath_ | Because it's capable of really good math formula displays. I know powerpoint can't do that, and I don't think impress can. |
| 20:47.43 | jkren | i'm at 9+9th in slc |
| 20:48.01 | mheath_ | jkren, I'm at 101 NNPTC Circle in Charleston. |
| 20:48.15 | levi | Maybe they're using ConTeXt |
| 20:48.27 | jkren | Charleston as in SC? |
| 20:48.37 | levi | jkren is trying to get some people to come over and hack code or something. |
| 20:48.40 | mheath_ | levi: Nah, it's some older Windows 95 app |
| 20:48.47 | mheath_ | I see a splash screen for it wehnever they log in |
| 20:48.55 | mheath_ | I just don't have enough time to read it. |
| 20:49.05 | mheath_ | jkren, Yes. |
| 20:49.08 | ^Migs^ | haha, check this out: http://tinyurl.com/3aww43 |
| 20:49.11 | brac | [MSN video] |
| 20:49.55 | Tene | jkren: which 9ths? |
| 20:50.05 | mheath_ | ^Migs^, What? |
| 20:50.07 | jkren | 900S and 900E |
| 20:50.25 | mheath_ | a couple seconds of Running of the Bowls, some pictures of a panda, and then it switched to a Japanese childrens cartoon on toilet training. |
| 20:50.30 | mheath_ | *Bulls |
| 20:50.39 | jkren | 1 block from coffee garden (and all the boarded up stores) that use to be 9+9th :) |
| 20:50.43 | mheath_ | Christ. I'm hooked on phonics! You can be too... |
| 20:50.59 | sjansen | As if there were any other. |
| 20:52.13 | Tene | I could convince myself to be interested in coming by for hacking if there were more details. |
| 20:52.56 | mheath_ | ^Migs^, seriously, what was the point of sharing a Japanese childrens cartoon teaching a kid how to use the toilet? |
| 20:53.25 | ^Migs^ | I dunno. I thought it was cute. |
| 20:54.22 | jkren | Tene - ask - ( i have a 8 port gigabit switch, dsl modem, and 4 port/wireless router - a couple 64 bit computers, dvd burners, good electricity, empty refrig and stove and bathroom and shower for use |
| 20:54.37 | jkren | until the end of the month |
| 20:54.52 | Tene | And you'll just be hanging out there randomly? |
| 20:55.12 | jkren | i have a 2 room and bathroom upstairs |
| 20:55.29 | mheath_ | ^Migs^, Kind of odd from an American's point of view, but thats typical childrens stuff over there. |
| 20:55.54 | mheath_ | *shrug* It would be like me sharing a random clip from Sesame Street with you. |
| 20:56.17 | jkren | no furniture though - but i have some folding chairs and tables etc |
| 20:56.43 | ^Migs^ | Maybe you should stfu. |
| 20:56.49 | Tene | jkren: perhaps share a bit more about yourself? I've never seen you here before. |
| 20:57.00 | ^Migs^ | talking poop = loads of laughs |
| 20:57.01 | jkren | just computers - no beer - or booze or anything like that |
| 20:57.40 | levi | Apparently Charles Simonyi is on the space station now. |
| 20:57.50 | jkren | and no gaming unless it is google maps and gps :) |
| 20:58.39 | Tene | jkren: and what are you going to be doing there? |
| 20:59.39 | jkren | i'd love to hold one of the seminars on installing and configuring strongswan - and learning more about wireshark and tcpdump - and writing down and learning everything i can |
| 21:01.16 | jkren | if there were some novices there - i love to show how to install and compile apps etc (kernel, etc) and learn from people who know more then me |
| 21:01.57 | jkren | if a couple of people wanted to meet at a place to meet first that would be great |
| 21:02.31 | mheath_ | What? |
| 21:02.42 | redbeard1 | http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/04/donkey_kong_in_postits.html |
| 21:02.43 | brac | [MAKE: Blog: Donkey Kong in post-its] |
| 21:02.54 | mheath_ | Come down to my random location. I have no furniture, and no real reason for inviting you here. But come! |
| 21:03.03 | mheath_ | that sounds very nice and not at all creepy or suspicious. |
| 21:03.26 | jkren | if you think 9+9th is creepy - where do you live? |
| 21:03.44 | jkren | no alcohol or drugs - just computers |
| 21:03.53 | mheath_ | I didn't say 9+9th was inherently creepy. |
| 21:03.56 | jkren | and smoking outside if needed in back |
| 21:04.11 | mheath_ | I said the notion of you suddenly appearing on here and telling people to come to some random location is kinda creepy. |
| 21:04.34 | ^Migs^ | I went through a stage where I thought I was cool because I was "accepting" of other cultures and didn't laugh out loud at some of their "weirdness" and reproved others when they did. Don't worry, mheath. You'll grow out of it. |
| 21:04.58 | Tene | mheath_: so what would you do if you were in the situation that he describes? |
| 21:05.20 | mheath_ | ^Migs^, no. I just saw enough random Japanese kids media when I was learning Japanese / taking lessons. |
| 21:05.21 | jkren | i was here before asking about linux groups and was referred to sllug which seems dead |
| 21:05.44 | JoshH | i laugh at the weirdness of japanese culture all the time, but i am still accepting of it |
| 21:05.45 | mheath_ | Tene, What situation? Sitting alone in a furnitureless room with a computer? |
| 21:05.56 | Tene | Yep. |
| 21:06.20 | ^Migs^ | Yes, so did I. Don't worry, you'll outgrow ti. |
| 21:06.22 | JoshH | jkren: i think the sllug server currently has no connection, but it should be back soon |
| 21:06.24 | mheath_ | Wait |
| 21:06.27 | ^Migs^ | s/ti/it. |
| 21:06.28 | Jayce^ | jkren, yeah, sllug's connection to the server died. |
| 21:06.36 | Jayce^ | can always jump to the plug-fest :) |
| 21:06.44 | mheath_ | Does government issue furniture count? |
| 21:06.49 | Tene | mheath_: nope |
| 21:08.14 | mheath_ | My desk has a padlock on it. I don't ever remember having to put a padlock on a desk :( |
| 21:11.17 | jkren | no intent other then to get together with other people who like linux/bsd and 'work on' what ever software the interest arises for - even kde or gnome for the 'linux desktop' even though i use neither :) |
| 21:11.52 | JoshH | jkren: what are you talking about exactly? i wasn't watching the channel earlier |
| 21:11.56 | Tene | jkren: I'd be up for anything perl-related, if you find anyone else. Just let me know. |
| 21:12.06 | Tene | tene@allalone.org |
| 21:13.42 | jkren | i've never used perl (yet installed it because rpm/urpmi uses it) but that would be nice to have an intro to it - we could compare source methods of perl vs pascal - maybe a c programmer would join |
| 21:17.18 | sjansen | I thought Pascal was deader than COBOL. |
| 21:17.30 | herlo | ~lart JoshH for not liking rpm |
| 21:17.30 | ibot | farts in JoshH's general direction for not liking rpm |
| 21:17.56 | levi | sjansen: Depends on whether you count Delphi as Pascal, probably. |
| 21:17.58 | sjansen | Didn't they outlaw Pascal at the same time they outlawed FORTRAN? |
| 21:18.16 | jkren | delphi is indeed pascal |
| 21:18.41 | levi | jkren: Well, it's an extension of pascal. |
| 21:19.08 | sjansen | I could've sworn they made Pascal illegal at the same time they defined and criminalized controlled substances. |
| 21:19.47 | jkren | i stopped using delphi at 2.0 (switched to fpc on linux at that time) but delphi 2.0 dcc.exe was 'borland pascal' 9.0 i think |
| 21:19.53 | sjansen | "Friends don't let friends program in Pascal." "This is your brain, this is your brain on Pascal." "Just say no to Pascal." |
| 21:20.28 | findlay | just say no to windows line endings |
| 21:21.15 | jkren | one think i'd love to do is some simple language vs language 'socket' program comparisons |
| 21:21.44 | findlay | I just use C for everything and my needs are met |
| 21:22.10 | Tene | jkren: explain a bit more? |
| 21:22.16 | jkren | there are no buffer overflow problems with pascal |
| 21:22.54 | sjansen | If you can achieve buffer overflow in Java, you can achieve it in Pascal. |
| 21:22.58 | jkren | compare code that does some simple socket work - say between c and perl and pascal and anyother language - for example |
| 21:23.11 | sjansen | It's just harder than buffer overflows in C. |
| 21:23.38 | jkren | java is not pascal - and you can not _have_ buffer overflows in pascal - |
| 21:23.50 | Tene | ~overflow sjansen |
| 21:24.05 | Tene | ~buffer sjansen |
| 21:24.08 | findlay | ~underflow Tene |
| 21:24.11 | Tene | ~sjansen buffers |
| 21:24.19 | ibot | ACTION tells buffers good things about sjansen |
| 21:24.20 | findlay | ~perl jkren |
| 21:24.23 | ibot | ACTION forces ^Migs^ to use perl |
| 21:24.25 | levi | sjansen: If a pure java program has a buffer overflow, it is a bug in the java implementation. |
| 21:24.30 | Tene | ~explode findlay |
| 21:24.32 | ibot | ACTION blows up findlay with bombs |
| 21:24.41 | findlay | ~dell Tene |
| 21:24.42 | ibot | Dude! Tene's getting a dell! |
| 21:25.54 | jkren | i ahve oscilloscopes and breadboards also - if anyone has an interest? |
| 21:28.27 | atoponce | i'm sure you're all aware of this: http://mozy.com/contest |
| 21:28.30 | atoponce | programming contest on saturday- $20k distributed among top 8 winners |
| 21:28.31 | brac | [mozy] |
| 21:29.12 | jkren | i have #3 wicat 68000 computer - which the OS is written in pascal that runs off 2 8" inch floppy disks and can have 4 serial tty's (it was originally for unix - but i used the pascal OS) |
| 21:30.11 | levi | That sounds cool. |
| 21:30.17 | levi | Does the pascal OS come with source code? |
| 21:30.34 | jkren | just the parts that i wrote |
| 21:30.50 | levi | You wrote the OS, or it came with it? |
| 21:31.18 | jkren | the boot and prompt and simple commands came with the os - i wrote what i needed after that |
| 21:31.57 | levi | Interesting. |
| 21:33.12 | jkren | it still uses a termcap file for the tty and printer |
| 21:35.49 | jkren | i have an original IBM PC with 'an extension' board that connects to a 2 drive (40MB drives) box - where the drives are removable - the 'expansion chassis' drives are accessed by a driver.sys loaded in the config.sys |
| 21:36.37 | Tene | I have a pony and a magic unicorn that can fly on rainbows. |
| 21:36.45 | findlay | no fair |
| 21:36.50 | jkren | and quite a few dual core amd computers using the a8n-vm asus boards (i just love nvidia) |
| 21:39.32 | findlay | Tene: can I ride your pony? |
| 21:39.49 | Tene | findlay: yes. |
| 21:40.12 | jkren | levi - the wicat was used to just get to the boot prompt then i loaded apl so the os might even have been just unix to get to the boot - |
| 21:41.02 | goozbach | sizzle!!! |
| 21:41.03 | Tene | Well... crap. |
| 21:41.11 | Tene | No more pony. |
| 21:41.19 | findlay | what the? Who put the Sun right here? |
| 21:41.49 | Tene | findlay: sjansen did |
| 21:42.18 | findlay | I knew it |
| 21:42.36 | Tene | sjansen: you owe me a new pony. |
| 21:43.34 | sjansen | ~give Tene a pony |
| 21:43.36 | ibot | ACTION gives a pony to Tene |
| 21:43.39 | Tene | sweet |
| 21:43.41 | Tene | Thanks. |
| 21:44.20 | findlay | ~shoot Tene's pony |
| 21:44.22 | ibot | ACTION shoots Tene's pony in the eye with a cork gun! |
| 21:44.40 | findlay | ~shoot sun |
| 21:44.42 | ibot | ACTION shoots sun in the eye with a cork gun! |
| 21:44.52 | findlay | whatever |
| 21:55.38 | levi | http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2006/111406-emacs.html |
| 21:55.40 | brac | [Emacs 22 pre-release: Goodies galore - LinuxWorld] |
| 21:56.57 | findlay | why don't they just call it emacs-2.0? |
| 21:57.52 | elg | while they're at it they should make it look web 2.0 compliant |
| 21:57.54 | levi | It's been around a long time, and has had 22 major releases. |
| 21:58.13 | findlay | yeah, but I thought it was at 1.22 |
| 21:58.20 | findlay | kind of like X |
| 21:59.04 | findlay | X-11.r7.1.2.0 |
| 21:59.28 | findlay | the r6 -> r7 thing was really just a symbolic thing |
| 21:59.29 | elg | oh my, that first paragraph sounds like a big catch-up apology |
| 21:59.55 | findlay | nobody really gives attention to the 11.7 part anymore |
| 22:00.25 | elg | "emacs will now look more like a modern application and less like a sore thumb!" |
| 22:00.31 | findlay | yeah |
| 22:00.49 | ti`ocpi | I request advice! |
| 22:00.52 | ti`ocpi | >> |
| 22:00.53 | ti`ocpi | << |
| 22:01.04 | ti`ocpi | I have a problem with the apartment complexes here in Cedar |
| 22:01.07 | elg | it's a good thing, but not exactly great marketing |
| 22:01.08 | sjansen | ti`ocpi: Blue! |
| 22:01.12 | sjansen | ti`ocpi: No red! |
| 22:01.13 | elg | ti`ocpi: 12 |
| 22:01.16 | Tene | ti`ocpi: "Don't let findlay ride your pony!" |
| 22:01.21 | findlay | sjansen: no, silly, Azure! |
| 22:01.28 | ti`ocpi | None of them will allow me to have my ratties with me |
| 22:01.34 | ti`ocpi | :( But I need them as therapy pets |
| 22:01.45 | ti`ocpi | and I don't want Tene to end up taking care of them for a whole other year |
| 22:01.51 | findlay | its' time to let them have freedom |
| 22:01.59 | elg | the simple spreadsheet might be worth learning to use |
| 22:02.04 | lukfugl | ti`ocpi: just tell them that the rats are your children |
| 22:02.06 | elg | together with the calculator |
| 22:02.23 | *** part/#utah jkren (n=jkren@71-213-77-80.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 22:02.29 | lukfugl | and then bombard them with "insensitive clod" remarks if they try to object |
| 22:02.29 | ti`ocpi | lukfugl: tried doing something similar ... they didn't care >< |
| 22:02.33 | ti`ocpi | Hehehe! |
| 22:03.22 | elg | you ask them? |
| 22:03.30 | elg | and/or they do inspections? |
| 22:03.57 | ti`ocpi | I don't know if they will or not, but I don't want to do something that would break the rules/possibly get me evicted |
| 22:04.01 | Tene | Yeah, she's been asking around, and so far all of them have said "NO PETS!" |
| 22:04.37 | ti`ocpi | tomorrow I'm going to go to some of them in person and explain the situation |
| 22:04.51 | ti`ocpi | but I don't know if it'll do any more than what emailing them has done :/ |
| 22:05.07 | elg | do you have big brown eyes? |
| 22:05.08 | lukfugl | ratties = terriers? |
| 22:05.13 | Tene | lukfugl: rats |
| 22:05.14 | lukfugl | or real rats? :) |
| 22:05.14 | elg | pictures of your rats with big brown eyes? |
| 22:05.17 | lukfugl | awesome |
| 22:05.21 | elg | can you call them mice? |
| 22:05.25 | *** join/#utah wps (n=wps@67.108.236.230.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 22:05.38 | Tene | lukfugl: http://allalone.org/pics/washirats1.jpg |
| 22:07.03 | findlay | tell them they are a rare endangered species of rodent from East Africa |
| 22:07.29 | ti`ocpi | o_O |
| 22:07.33 | *** join/#utah jkren (n=jkren@71-213-77-80.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 22:07.35 | ti`ocpi | I don't think they'd believe me |
| 22:08.41 | sjansen | ti`ocpi: how do people with seeing eye dogs get apartments? if you can get a doctor to say they're medically necessary, they've gotta let you keep 'em |
| 22:08.41 | levi | I'd say use the scientific name, but 'Rattus' doesn't help much there. |
| 22:08.51 | ti`ocpi | hehe |
| 22:09.20 | findlay | I wish I wasn't such an incompetent programmer |
| 22:09.25 | ti`ocpi | I got my counselor to say they're a medical necessity, but it didn't help me any in the apartment I'm currently in |
| 22:09.26 | ti`ocpi | :/ |
| 22:09.41 | ti`ocpi | speaking of which, I was going to email her again |
| 22:09.51 | levi | findlay: Quit using C, and you'll find your competence improving dramatically. ;) |
| 22:09.57 | jkren | i'll leave my nick in this channel and if anyone is interested in meeting - please message me |
| 22:14.47 | sjansen | ti`ocpi: Ask to tour the apartment. Show up carrying a think book titled "Make Money Enforcing Fair Housing Laws". Casually set it down near the owner. Walk around for a bit. In your best I-already-know-you'll-let-me voice, ask if they allow helper animals. |
| 22:14.48 | elg | can you just leave your nick? |
| 22:15.57 | lukfugl | hey, mine |
| 22:16.07 | elg | you weren't using it. now it's mine |
| 22:16.26 | jkren | i mean without responding to the childish nonsense here |
| 22:16.44 | sjansen | ~fart jkren |
| 22:16.45 | ibot | ACTION farts in jkren's general direction |
| 22:17.07 | sjansen | ~funkybomb elg |
| 22:17.08 | ibot | ACTION blows away elg in a psychedelic flash |
| 22:17.28 | sjansen | ~whaleslap lukfugl |
| 22:17.31 | ibot | ACTION beats lukfugl upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 22:17.33 | levi | jkren: You're not likely to convince many people to hang out with you by calling the discussion here 'childish nonsense'. |
| 22:17.40 | *** join/#utah raven_ (n=raven@68.142.142.101) |
| 22:17.49 | Tene | levi: he might attract mheath! |
| 22:18.01 | sjansen | ~travolta levi |
| 22:18.02 | ibot | ACTION replaces levi with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 22:18.08 | jkren | from what i've seen in this channel - you sound like children and \ |
| 22:18.08 | sjansen | ~pinch Tene |
| 22:18.10 | ibot | ACTION scuttles after Tene, pinches him, and then scuttles away |
| 22:18.17 | jkren | and are just boring |
| 22:18.19 | sjansen | ~annoy jkren |
| 22:18.21 | ibot | ACTION dances around jkren, poking whenever possible, tickling or doing whatever necessary to annoy jkren to the maximum amount |
| 22:18.21 | *** part/#utah jkren (n=jkren@71-213-77-80.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 22:18.28 | Tene | That was weird. |
| 22:18.45 | levi | Waah, he hurt my feelings. :P |
| 22:18.52 | sjansen | "Come play at my crack house the owners aren't coming back until the end of the month!" |
| 22:19.14 | elg | hehe |
| 22:19.35 | findlay | ~dell sjansen |
| 22:19.37 | ibot | Dude! sjansen's getting a dell! |
| 22:19.51 | sjansen | noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:19.56 | findlay | lol |
| 22:20.06 | levi | I recall someone like him coming by before, trying to put together some frat house of uber-hackers or something. |
| 22:20.24 | levi | That attempt also ended in failure. |
| 22:20.33 | elg | but überhackers aren't childish like us |
| 22:20.51 | raven_ | I can attest to the childish part so far |
| 22:20.52 | elg | am I the only one who finds that a bit ironic? backwards perhaps? |
| 22:21.06 | levi | Because it's so adult to go live in some house with no furniture and do nothing but hack on code. |
| 22:21.48 | levi | raven_: If you're opposed to occasional silliness, IRC is not the place for you. |
| 22:22.03 | raven_ | heh |
| 22:22.07 | raven_ | it's just the bot spam to which I was referring :) |
| 22:22.12 | lukfugl | plus raven, you arrived just before a bout of intentional sillyness |
| 22:22.26 | raven_ | yay first impressions :) |
| 22:22.27 | ti`ocpi | sjansen: heh, that would be interesting |
| 22:22.29 | lukfugl | for jkren's benefit |
| 22:22.30 | elg | smack dab in the middle actually |
| 22:22.41 | elg | ~dict bout |
| 22:22.43 | sjansen | ~fart raven_ |
| 22:22.48 | ibot | ACTION farts in raven_'s general direction |
| 22:22.58 | levi | The bot is pretty silly, but harmless silliness is a pretty good way to let out steam after pounding one's brain against code all day. |
| 22:23.11 | elg | not to mention calculus |
| 22:23.21 | levi | ~pity elg |
| 22:23.24 | ibot | I pity da fool elg! |
| 22:23.24 | raven_ | so is a good jog / fps / hike |
| 22:23.29 | findlay | ~work |
| 22:23.30 | ibot | somebody said work was the integral of the dot product of force and displacement |
| 22:23.52 | levi | raven_: Indeed; but those take a bit more time and are less practical for those of us at work. |
| 22:23.54 | lukfugl | in the FPS version of that acronym :) |
| 22:24.17 | sjansen | raven_: Those things sounds dangerous. Ever heard of sports injuries? Or sun burns? |
| 22:24.39 | elg | like, trying to show int(0..inf, alpha (lambda x)^alpha e^-(lambda x)^alpha dx = (1/lambda) int(0..inf, e^-x x^(1/alpha) dx) |
| 22:24.49 | raven_ | or carpal tunnel |
| 22:24.49 | sjansen | If I wanted a tan, I'd just pump up the gamma on my LCD. |
| 22:25.12 | levi | elg: Now that sounds dangerous. |
| 22:26.00 | elg | levi: yeah, I have absolutely no idea how to approach it |
| 22:27.01 | sjansen | elg: Well there's your problem. The correct response it to not look it in the eye and back away slowly. |
| 22:27.31 | Tene | elg: can't you produce a solution through software? |
| 22:27.44 | elg | maybe I need a dude that's working out only one side of his body to stare it down |
| 22:28.02 | elg | Tene: what software? I'm all for the computer thinking for me |
| 22:28.11 | Tene | elg: make some |
| 22:29.57 | levi | Maxima can do some cool things, but I don't know if it can show if two equations are equivalent. |
| 22:31.06 | elg | let alone how |
| 22:31.30 | elg | #math has a cool mathematica bot that can do derivatives and the like |
| 22:31.35 | elg | even of nasty equations like that |
| 22:43.38 | levi | This is kind of cool: http://6502asm.com/ |
| 22:43.40 | brac | [6502asm.com - 6502 compatible compiler and emulator in javascript] |
| 22:44.46 | Supaplex | spooky cool. |
| 22:45.21 | levi | You can play pong on it. :) |
| 22:45.34 | levi | It's not really pong, more like half pong, half breakout. |
| 22:50.12 | lukfugl | *grumble* I hate it when people take database "normalization" too far |
| 22:50.27 | Tene | lukfugl: example? |
| 22:50.31 | raven_ | like one table for everything ? |
| 22:50.37 | raven_ | ... |
| 22:50.40 | levi | raven_: That would be denormalization. |
| 22:50.45 | findlay | or just a chair? |
| 22:51.53 | levi | Normalization of a database is the process of removing redundancies and anomalies. |
| 22:52.14 | lukfugl | "there's no need to keep a price value in table A because it can be read from table B through the foreign key" -- but they neglect to note that the value in table B is mutable while the row in table A represents a snapshot at some point in the past |
| 22:53.02 | levi | lukfugl: Ahh, there's a stored price in a transaction record as well as the current sale price associated with an item? |
| 22:53.07 | lukfugl | or they assume that table B is also immutable, but it becomes mutable at some alter point (not as much their fault, but still) |
| 22:53.32 | lukfugl | levi: that's what it needs to be, but it's not |
| 22:53.39 | levi | That's not over-normalization, but failure to recognize that two similar pieces of data are in fact distinct. |
| 22:53.55 | lukfugl | levi: yes, I agree, but it's often done in the name of normalization |
| 22:54.06 | levi | Yeah. I feel for you. |
| 22:54.17 | levi | Time to head to class. |
| 22:54.23 | lukfugl | that's why I put "normalization" in quotes :) |
| 22:54.25 | lukfugl | cya |
| 22:56.17 | harleypig | http://qdb.us/81636 |
| 22:56.18 | brac | [QDB: Quote #81636] |
| 22:56.19 | harleypig | wow |
| 22:56.45 | findlay | ~quote harleypig and lukfugl |
| 22:57.32 | lukfugl | that's just... wow |
| 22:58.01 | Supaplex | ~quote a |
| 22:58.15 | lukfugl | ~symbol A |
| 22:58.24 | lukfugl | who's A? |
| 22:58.27 | Supaplex | att |
| 22:58.31 | lukfugl | ah |
| 22:58.41 | Supaplex | ~quote x |
| 22:58.52 | Supaplex | U.S. Steel |
| 23:01.41 | Tene | ~quote E |
| 23:02.38 | raven_ | uh |
| 23:02.49 | raven_ | do I even want to know what the hell that is ? |
| 23:02.54 | lukfugl | ? |
| 23:02.59 | lukfugl | probably not |
| 23:03.06 | lukfugl | I know I don't |
| 23:03.57 | Supaplex | so... do you use the force, or the light sabre to cook them? |
| 23:03.58 | findlay | ~wierd |
| 23:04.08 | ibot | I before E, except after C, or when pronounced "AY" as in neighbor or sleigh. But weird is just spelled weird. |
| 23:04.08 | findlay | ~weird |
| 23:04.12 | ibot | Weird factor is currently 10%, and stable. |
| 23:06.39 | beandog | weerd. |
| 23:08.56 | raven_ | werd |
| 23:10.04 | findlay | wird |
| 23:10.15 | lukfugl | whirred |
| 23:12.07 | tensai | http://www.sheldoncomics.com/strips/sd070410.gif |
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| 23:14.12 | lukfugl | oh, the double chin hanging out from underneath the beard... so true *shudder* |
| 23:16.49 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.48 | sontek | raven_: !! |
| 23:19.56 | raven_ | OIC |
| 23:19.59 | raven_ | hello sontek |
| 23:20.06 | sontek | :) hi |
| 23:20.24 | findlay | elg: I like where he talks about e^{i\pi} = 1 |
| 23:26.52 | lukfugl | huh, so the choice of the letter pi was in the 1600s to represent "periphery" |
| 23:27.47 | elg | and I thought it had to do with pizz |
| 23:28.23 | findlay | you mean it wasn't Archimedes, who in a stroke of Divine revalation declaring on the beach against the rising sun that for ever more \pi shall be known as \pi? |
| 23:39.36 | goozbach | ~paste |
| 23:39.43 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 23:42.08 | findlay | ~glue |
| 23:42.18 | ibot | glue is, like, n. Generic term for any interface logic or protocol that connects two component blocks. For example, {Blue Glue} is IBM's SNA protocol, and hardware designers call anything used to connect large VLSI's or circuit blocks `glue logic'. |
