| 00:36.21 | mheath | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpCMJ2xlLfo |
| 00:36.32 | mheath | Someone mentioned that in another channel; I found it mildly interesting. |
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| 01:30.17 | levi_home | mheath: I still think your perception of cobol is skewed. |
| 01:30.17 | thesuperbigfrog | w? 84604 |
| 01:30.31 | thesuperbigfrog | ?w 84604 |
| 01:30.43 | thesuperbigfrog | w! 84604 |
| 01:30.56 | thesuperbigfrog | :w 84604 |
| 01:31.03 | thesuperbigfrog | w: 84604 |
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| 02:16.12 | hatchmt | Anyone ever run into tar killing symlinks? I'm trying to do a tape backup using 'tar czvpf /dev/osst0 /', and when the resulting archive is exctracted, some symlinks survive but the rc.d symlinks are now 0-byte regular files. |
| 02:16.19 | hatchmt | It's driving me nuts. |
| 02:16.24 | elg | sigh. I hate it when i'm asked to show something similar to what the book _didn't_ show |
| 02:16.40 | elg | the book just loosely described it and handwaved |
| 02:16.41 | levi_home | elg: How so? |
| 02:16.46 | elg | why should _I_ have to _show_ it? |
| 02:17.08 | elg | it's either a bad book or a bad question. :) haven't made up my mind |
| 02:17.08 | levi_home | Well, everyone needs some handwaving practice. |
| 02:17.15 | elg | :) |
| 02:17.39 | levi_home | If the person who wrote the question thinks the book showed it, then following the books example would probably be fine. ;) |
| 02:44.40 | levi_home | elg: Did you see the discussion I had with the conspiracy theory guy? |
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| 02:47.42 | elg | no, where was that? |
| 02:49.21 | levi_home | Here. |
| 02:49.32 | levi_home | It was late Friday night, I think. |
| 02:50.04 | levi_home | With AvawnCro |
| 02:50.32 | tensai | redbeard1: ping |
| 02:52.10 | levi_home | It started it out with him ranting about how goog411 is evil or something. |
| 02:52.38 | tensai | I've got the trascript if you like |
| 02:53.31 | levi_home | He apparently believes that the NSA has a 1024 qubit quantum computer, and has had it for a couple of years. |
| 02:53.51 | levi_home | And that this fact makes all current encryption useless. |
| 02:58.24 | levi_home | I've been researching quantum computers lately as part of my computer architecture class. |
| 02:59.04 | tensai | levi_home: I don't get the theory underlying the split rar files. it can't improve compression and it can't be because we need to split the file across floppy disks. |
| 02:59.30 | levi_home | tensai: I think it's for posting to binary newsgroups. |
| 02:59.32 | elg | tensai: yeah, it's ludicrous |
| 02:59.51 | elg | levi_home: if you have trouble, I have once or twice figured out how to reconstitute them |
| 02:59.52 | tensai | levi_home: ah. still lame. |
| 02:59.56 | elg | or play them as-is in mplayer |
| 03:00.03 | elg | though it's not in cache memory |
| 03:00.11 | tensai | I've never had trouble reconstituting, but it's a hassle |
| 03:00.45 | levi_home | elg: I'm just using winrar, which seems to handle it fine. |
| 03:01.19 | tensai | we had a user who was moaning about slow download speeds from alt.binaries |
| 03:01.43 | levi_home | I just wish the torrent makers would have done it themselves instead of making me do it. |
| 03:02.04 | tensai | so I guess there must still be at least two people using them |
| 03:02.47 | levi_home | Actually, binary newsgroups are pretty active. |
| 03:03.47 | levi_home | If you have a news server with a good binary group cache, it is apparently a great way to get 'warez'. |
| 03:04.13 | levi_home | Probably a great way to get the other stuff the internet is for, too. :P |
| 03:05.50 | tensai | from what I hear, just about all ISPs have outsourced their news feeds to 3rd parties. we have. not enough people use them to warrant sucking that much data down ever day. |
| 03:07.08 | levi_home | Yeah. I remember when they were one of the primary uses of the internet. |
| 03:07.37 | levi_home | I think google's news archives have some posts of mine from '93 or so. |
| 03:07.56 | levi_home | There are still a few newsgroups that have pretty active communities. |
| 03:08.04 | levi_home | (aside from the binary ones, that is) |
| 03:08.43 | levi_home | There are some free news servers for non-binary groups, too. |
| 03:08.53 | levi_home | I used one for a while, until I switched to comcast. |
| 03:26.53 | elg | what I don't like about this homework is that it asks you to "show" something that is utterly obvious from the problem description alone |
| 03:27.06 | elg | obviously the teacher is fishing for some algebraic formulation |
| 03:27.09 | elg | but I have no clue which |
| 03:27.47 | elg | the problem is basically, "here, let me set up this monte carlo method of estimating the area under a curve. ok, now show me that it works" |
| 03:30.38 | levi_home | Sounds infuriating. |
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| 03:54.04 | tensai | "'Oui', 'non' and 'gracias' are all you need to get yourself fed and watered in France" - Rowan Atkinson |
| 03:54.23 | tensai | http://observer.guardian.co.uk/foodmonthly/story/0,,2039058,00.html |
| 03:54.47 | levi_home | Mr. Bean! |
| 03:56.20 | tensai | yup. Mr. Bean's guide to French food |
| 04:10.58 | levi_home | Hmm. Sounds interesting. |
| 04:38.20 | tensai | epiphany! |
| 04:38.51 | tensai | at scout camp they have a scout master's cook off. I've been trying to come up with a great plan for this year. |
| 04:39.19 | tensai | last year I made some bbq ribs, but it was a little pathetic. the only meat they can get up there is pre-cooked. :( |
| 04:39.31 | tensai | but obviously I need to do no-knead bread |
| 04:39.50 | tensai | did I mention it's a dutch-oven cook off? no, apparently not |
| 04:50.37 | levi_home | Mmm, dutch oven cooking. |
| 04:54.15 | elg | obviously, you do! |
| 04:54.50 | elg | I think you only need a slight modification to the recipe |
| 04:55.02 | elg | at 20 minutes, just take off the lid and let the steam escape, but put it back on |
| 04:55.13 | tensai | elg: I was wondering about that |
| 04:55.15 | elg | http://hans.fugal.net/bread.pdf |
| 04:55.21 | tensai | just pop it off and then back on? |
| 04:55.26 | elg | that will let the steam out and it will finish cooking dry |
| 04:55.55 | elg | yeah. then check it every couple of minutes (that'll keep it dry too) |
| 04:56.29 | elg | -lart math |
| 04:56.48 | elg | that's the other thing about this prof's homework. he thinks we're all math majors or something |
| 04:57.15 | elg | this problem is downright HARD math, but why? the probability/statistcal concepts in the problem are easy |
| 04:58.03 | levi_home | Because, gosh darn it, CS should have never left the Math department to begin with! ;) |
| 04:58.32 | elg | :) I'm all for better math skillz. I wish I had been more rigorously trained in math |
| 04:58.58 | elg | but this is no time to go from can-barely-remember-calculus to grad-level mathemetician |
| 04:59.38 | elg | ok, it's probably not grad-level mathemetician, but at least bachelor-level |
| 04:59.44 | tensai | I wish I would have gotten a more practical basis in statistics |
| 05:00.11 | elg | another late assignment |
| 05:00.23 | elg | I've got to prepare a lecture for tomorrow |
| 05:02.07 | levi_home | Man, I used to love Python, but now it just makes me wish for a more functional language. |
| 05:02.08 | elg | i'm no expert with camp dutch ovening. can you get it up to 500°ish easily? |
| 05:02.30 | levi_home | Probably, if you have enough charcoal. ;) |
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| 05:05.17 | elg | now playing: killer clowns with christmas lights broadcasting linuxalien's listening habits! |
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| 05:09.13 | tensai | elg: I'll have to experiment. and take my oven thermometer. I think so though. getting 400° is easy enough, so it's not a big stretch. |
| 05:12.30 | tensai | elg: one of these days I'll give sourdough another shot. I'm sorry to say that the start you sent me has long since perished. |
| 05:12.42 | tensai | but alas, now I must sleep |
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| 05:28.25 | elg | tensai: if you still have it, it's probably only mostly dead |
| 05:28.32 | elg | you'd be surprised how resilient it is |
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| 08:12.50 | nick125_lappy | http://black20.com/virals/?s=69 |
| 08:12.54 | brac | [B20 Trailer Park | 300 - PG Version | Black20] |
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| 10:03.23 | mheath | I can't believe I did that. I'm so messed up.... |
| 10:03.50 | nick125_lappy | elg: Cobol, Java, Cobol, Java, Cobol, Java!! |
| 10:04.21 | mheath | Theres no point in me even being alive. I'm so jacked up... |
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| 13:31.47 | elg | tensai: you don't need an oven thermometer necessarily. it doesn't have to be 500 exact, anything between 450 and 600 would probably be fine |
| 13:32.04 | elg | just practice a couple of times with coals to get a feel |
| 13:32.56 | graphyx | did you build your oven? |
| 13:33.08 | elg | no, but I designed it |
| 13:33.18 | graphyx | do you need any particular part or will any brick do? |
| 13:37.17 | goozbach | good monring |
| 13:41.01 | elg | graphyx: yesno |
| 13:41.20 | elg | any brick should do if you're cheap |
| 13:41.43 | elg | if you're building a serious oven, you want to use some kind of heat resistant brick, as it will last longer |
| 13:42.02 | elg | but, building a serious oven is like $1k-$2k |
| 13:42.15 | elg | and building the one I designed is ~$60 |
| 13:42.25 | elg | (using regular red brick) |
| 13:46.38 | elg | not to mention mine is a lot less effort |
| 13:53.18 | herlo | emcnabb: ping |
| 13:54.03 | elg | emcnabb: pong |
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| 14:10.30 | redbeard1 | ice cream! |
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| 14:22.46 | tensai | redbeard1: bought me some amano chocolate |
| 14:23.13 | tensai | elg: no, I don't still have it. chucked it years ago. I'll have to start from scratch but that's no big deal. |
| 14:23.48 | redbeard1 | tensai: where did you get it? online? |
| 14:24.12 | graphyx | elg: I see |
| 14:24.27 | tensai | redbeard1: amazon. shipping was a dollar cheaper than from the site. |
| 14:24.52 | redbeard1 | amazon? you can get it on amazon? |
| 14:25.00 | graphyx | I think that in italy there are some individuals that have been building brick ovens for years and pass down there knowledge only to their family |
| 14:25.12 | tensai | redbeard1: amazon marketplace, so it was amano selling it through amazon |
| 14:25.19 | graphyx | and they don't teach others how they make such good overs. |
| 14:26.22 | tensai | I was watching Jamie Oliver last night (a mistake I won't make again) and he had a brick oven in his garden |
| 14:27.57 | graphyx | s/overs/ovens/ |
| 14:28.51 | elg | graphyx: I think you meant "lovers" |
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| 14:43.32 | elg | it's not a closely guarded secret or anything. it's not rocket science. people have studied the ovens and books have been written |
| 14:43.53 | elg | and products are sold, services rendered |
| 14:44.12 | elg | the only thing the italians have as an advantage is the tradition of having them in the first place :) |
| 14:44.47 | elg | to average american, brick oven is exotic and most would never even think about having their own |
| 14:45.05 | elg | in italy, they're as common as barbeque grills, so I hear |
| 14:46.34 | levi | The average American wouldn't know what to do with a brick oven. |
| 14:47.02 | elg | because nobody they know has one... it's a bootstrapping problem to be sure |
| 14:48.18 | levi | That, and we're too much of a convenience culture for brick ovens to be anything more than a niche product. They aren't portable, they take a long time to heat up, you have to have wood to fire them, etc. |
| 14:48.27 | tensai | you can make brick ovens out of boot straps? |
| 14:53.41 | goozbach | ~bootstrap tensai |
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| 15:04.56 | sjansen | "I just got back from a trip to Israel, having, in a fit of stupidity, decided that it wouldn't be such a bad thing to take Air France and change planes at CDG. Nothing surprises the ground crew at CDG more than the arrival of the daily, scheduled flight from Kennedy. Every single thing about that airport is broken and it's the worst place in the world to change planes." -- Joel on Software |
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| 15:08.17 | maquis | levi_home: ping? |
| 15:08.27 | maquis | levi: ping? |
| 15:08.30 | maquis | (one of you) |
| 15:11.21 | sjansen | ~pong maquis |
| 15:11.39 | ibot | maquis: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:12.02 | sjansen | Wow, ibot sure is excited about an ancient video game. |
| 15:16.21 | maquis | ~lart sjansen |
| 15:16.22 | ibot | explains, ever so gently, that if sjansen doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 15:17.29 | sjansen | Well, okay, but I don't see how this is going to help. |
| 15:18.04 | sjansen | So I was sitting at a traffic light this morning on the way to work. As usual, I was thinking about puppies and ice cream. |
| 15:18.56 | sjansen | Have you ever noticed how insanely long some traffic lights are? Well, anyway, while I was sitting there waiting I saw this guy run a red just as the other lane got a green and everyone started moving. |
| 15:19.21 | levi | maquis: pong |
| 15:19.29 | sjansen | Utah drivers can be so stupid. Especially down in Provo. What's up with ignoring traffic signals? It's not like shaving 45 seconds off a trip is life or death. |
| 15:20.26 | sjansen | I bet it's all the out of state college students. Driving on the interstate with all the others rude drivers makes them go slowly insane, and unlike people raised in Utah they don't know how to regain sanity on entering the city boundaries. |
| 15:20.31 | maquis | levi: can you see the /msg for levi_home or do i need to send it to levi as well? |
| 15:20.46 | sjansen | So there was some swerving and braking, but no crash. This time. |
| 15:21.10 | findlay | yes! sjansen has taken my cause with gusto |
| 15:21.11 | maquis | sjansen: shaving 45 seconds off a trip could be life-or-death, but in the opposite direction from what people act lik |
| 15:21.14 | maquis | e |
| 15:21.15 | sjansen | And while I was sitting there thinking about fuzzy animals and rainbows, I glanced down at my shoes and wondered: do these shoes go with this outfit? |
| 15:21.40 | sjansen | maquis: So what do you think? Should I change my shoes or can I pull this look off? |
| 15:21.57 | dataw0lf | ahhh Utah drivers |
| 15:22.04 | maquis | sjansen: describe a bit more? |
| 15:22.17 | findlay | sjansen: driving in Provo has had negative effects upon my driving attitude |
| 15:22.30 | findlay | hopefully not permanent |
| 15:22.35 | dataw0lf | Utah: Where merging is either swerving at 80 mph in front of another suddenly, or going 10 mph and causing a traffic jam |
| 15:22.48 | sjansen | maquis: Remember Punky Brewster? No, you probably don't. Before you time. Well doesn't really matter anyway because my shoes look nothing like Punky's. |
| 15:22.52 | findlay | dataw0lf: and so much more! |
| 15:23.00 | goozbach | sjansen: why are you in provo? |
| 15:23.07 | sjansen | Although I could tape rainbows to them. And buy big, fat white shoe laces. |
| 15:23.10 | dataw0lf | Utah drivers are a good incentive to get armored transport |
| 15:23.29 | sjansen | goozbach: I'm not in Provo. Sheesh, try to to keep up. Geez. |
| 15:23.52 | goozbach | dataw0lf: hence the proliferation of the MAV(Mormon Assualt Vechile) |
| 15:23.58 | findlay | dataw0lf: can I borrow your tank? |
| 15:24.16 | sjansen | maquis: But anyway, my shoes are brown leather. Scuffed. Round laces. Giant tread for hiking and stuff. |
| 15:24.18 | findlay | that way I can blast cars away that do stupid stuff |
| 15:24.31 | dataw0lf | gosh I wish I had a tank |
| 15:24.39 | dataw0lf | nothing special |
| 15:24.42 | dataw0lf | just a Bradley or something |
| 15:25.13 | maquis | sjansen: k |
| 15:25.28 | goozbach | I want an armored box truck |
| 15:25.32 | maquis | so, what are you wearing that you're wondering about how it goes with the shoes? |
| 15:25.43 | goozbach | full of communication equiptment and computers |
| 15:25.50 | findlay | but dataw0lf you acknowledge my need for one. Therefore I should have a tank while driving in Utah so I can always be around to provide entertainment on #utah |
| 15:26.08 | goozbach | so I can drive around, wardriving, and then sit in the back playing quake when I find a good signal |
| 15:26.27 | sjansen | maquis: Remember that suit Pee Wee wore on Pee Wee's Playhouse? That ugly, ill fitting tan-ish gray thing? |
| 15:26.45 | dataw0lf | findlay: I think any man should have a tank, really. |
| 15:26.50 | sjansen | Not that. I'm actually wearing black jeans. And a slightly cuban shirt. |
| 15:27.03 | findlay | I might settle for an armored humvee |
| 15:27.19 | dataw0lf | a hummer has better armor, might as well get one of those |
| 15:27.23 | findlay | with artillery mounted on top |
| 15:27.35 | dataw0lf | artillery on a humvee? |
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| 15:27.46 | maquis | sjansen: sounds interesting |
| 15:27.48 | findlay | one of those big guns or something |
| 15:27.52 | dataw0lf | mortars, y'mean |
| 15:27.54 | maquis | i don't see any particular reason why it wouldn't go |
| 15:28.06 | sjansen | maquis: See, I've got brown/green color deficiency. Sometimes I see brown when it's actually green and green when it's actually brown. So for all I know, my shoes might be green. Does green go with black? |
| 15:28.14 | maquis | the brown shoes with black pants thing isn't perfect, but for guys, it's not a big deal |
| 15:28.29 | maquis | sjansen: it should be fine |
| 15:28.55 | sjansen | maquis: Thanks. I feel better now. |
| 15:30.23 | tensai | give that baby a few minutes. he'll drop a load in his diaper, start screaming and stick his lollipop in your hair. |
| 15:30.39 | sjansen | Ick. The hummer is stupid. I'd only accept a real military Humvee. |
| 15:30.58 | dataw0lf | why? |
| 15:31.09 | dataw0lf | because the hmmwv runs on diesel? |
| 15:31.10 | findlay | dataw0lf seemed to imply that there's a military vehicle called a hummer |
| 15:31.15 | dataw0lf | that's about the only reason to do so. |
| 15:31.23 | dataw0lf | no, I'm talking about the commercial hummer |
| 15:31.28 | findlay | oh |
| 15:31.33 | dataw0lf | which has better protection from enemy fire than an armored military hmmwv |
| 15:31.41 | dataw0lf | sad, innit it? |
| 15:31.45 | findlay | yeah |
| 15:32.08 | sjansen | Nothing says "wannabe with too much money" like a hummer. It's ugly, but not in a functional good ugly way. |
| 15:32.20 | findlay | sjansen: you mean the h2? |
| 15:32.29 | sjansen | The h1, h2 and especially h3. |
| 15:32.44 | dataw0lf | I just want to punch people who have a hummer and a sticker "Support the Troops" on the back |
| 15:32.52 | dataw0lf | I don't really care what mileage it gets |
| 15:32.59 | levi | The H1 isn't nearly the abomination that the H2 and H3 are. |
| 15:33.06 | dataw0lf | but, jeez, during WW2 we enforced industrial corporations to assist in the war effort |
| 15:33.14 | Jayce^ | sjansen, the h1 has good functional value.. |
| 15:33.51 | findlay | with a paintball mortar on top |
| 15:35.03 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 15:36.16 | tensai | I love the hummer in Cars who is afraid to step off-road |
| 15:36.36 | findlay | with the rims and spinners |
| 15:37.07 | findlay | I saw a car last week with plastic spinners on I-15 |
| 15:37.21 | vontrapp | my cor isn't as loud as a hummer anymore |
| 15:37.22 | findlay | one looked like it was about to fly off |
| 15:37.26 | vontrapp | *car |
| 15:37.40 | findlay | and the other one was already gone |
| 15:38.13 | vontrapp | my muffler fell off last july, just got it fixed |
| 15:38.21 | findlay | vontrapp: did you put a silencer on it? |
| 15:38.23 | vontrapp | dang expensive, too |
| 15:38.31 | levi | I lost a hubcap on the van over the weekend. :/ |
| 15:38.34 | levi | vontrapp: How much? |
| 15:38.36 | vontrapp | silencer? |
| 15:38.50 | findlay | all a muffler is is a metal box with baffles in it |
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| 15:39.13 | vontrapp | findlay: no, i just let it be really loud all winter |
| 15:40.09 | vontrapp | there was the res ass, which was 160 |
| 15:40.29 | vontrapp | and some D.P. thing, for 70 |
| 15:40.42 | vontrapp | and an axle pipe |
| 15:40.46 | vontrapp | 40 |
| 15:40.55 | vontrapp | plus 60 labor :( |
| 15:41.37 | levi | OK, expensive but not exorbitant. |
| 15:41.38 | vontrapp | then after all that they wanted to replace the flex tube, another 150 |
| 15:41.43 | vontrapp | i said forget it |
| 15:41.45 | findlay | I changed my muffler, but I just got the cheap deal from Autozone and did the labor myself, in the rain |
| 15:41.48 | sjansen | vontrapp: Come on, your a Frugal Fugal. Couldn't you just whip something up with an empty tissue box, duct tape and an old banana? |
| 15:41.51 | vontrapp | i hope it still passes |
| 15:42.04 | vontrapp | sjansen: inspection |
| 15:42.14 | vontrapp | my registration expired |
| 15:42.21 | sjansen | vontrapp: Silver spray paint. |
| 15:42.29 | vontrapp | otherwise i just would't fix it at all |
| 15:42.35 | levi | vontrapp: Are there obvious holes in it? |
| 15:43.12 | vontrapp | they couldn't see it until there was back pressure from the muffler, so i'm guossing not |
| 15:43.42 | findlay | what's a flex tube? |
| 15:43.52 | vontrapp | beats me |
| 15:44.21 | vontrapp | they go behind the engine, so i guess they flex to let the engine move |
| 15:44.32 | levi | Yup, that's exactly what a flex tube is. |
| 15:44.39 | vontrapp | there's apparently also a flex tube for AC |
| 15:45.19 | levi | Engines tend to move around quite a bit thanks to the torque they put out and the soft engine mounts that are used to reduce chassis vibration. |
| 15:45.48 | vontrapp | if the tube isn't too much i might just get one and install it meself |
| 15:45.52 | findlay | flex tube for the exhaust? |
| 15:46.02 | vontrapp | si |
| 15:46.05 | levi | Exhaust work often requires welding. |
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| 15:46.23 | findlay | the exhaust pipe hangs from rubber brackets. Why would it need to flex? |
| 15:46.25 | vontrapp | but you can't weld a flex tube!? |
| 15:46.48 | vontrapp | they already fixed everything else |
| 15:47.05 | levi | You can't weld on the flexy part, no. |
| 15:48.03 | vontrapp | so it's something i could probably do myself |
| 15:48.16 | goozbach | it's flexy metal |
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| 15:48.36 | goozbach | there is very little rubber involved with exaust tubing |
| 15:48.38 | levi | vontrapp: It may have non-flexy weldable ends, though. |
| 15:49.17 | levi | vontrapp: There are also clamp-on tubes, which you would certainly be able to work with yourself, but if the current one is welded in... |
| 15:49.46 | findlay | then you can cut it with a hack saw and use a coupler or something |
| 15:50.06 | levi | http://www.pacesetterexhaust.com/perf_exhaust.php |
| 15:50.07 | brac | [Pacesetter Performance Products - Exhaust Parts for Trucks and Cars] |
| 15:50.20 | findlay | that's what I did anyway :) low tech solution |
| 15:50.22 | levi | Those are probably super-expensive varieties, but that's what they generally look like. |
| 15:51.24 | maquis | amazon has auto parts... |
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| 15:53.21 | findlay | ~salt harleypig |
| 15:53.28 | ibot | ACTION holds harleypig down on the ground and pours salt into a fresh open wound |
| 15:55.21 | levi | If Amazon's prices are a good guide, a flex joint should cost ~$30 |
| 15:56.17 | levi | Given the price quote you got, I imagine they were planning on welding one in. |
| 15:58.05 | findlay | levi: when I put my new muffler on I used the brackets but didn't weld it together and there's significant blow-by coming from the pre-muffler joint. Do you think that would cause trouble with the emmision test? |
| 15:59.53 | levi | findlay: Probably not, unless it's really obvious. It's post-cat anyway, and the muffler doesn't have any emissions effect. As long as the sniffer gets enough gas to analyze, I don't imagine they'd notice. |
| 16:01.32 | levi | All I know is that when I had my exhaust system redone after installing my turbo, the exhaust guy welded absolutely everything except for the parts I asked him not to. |
| 16:01.47 | levi | And those, he welded flanges on to. |
| 16:02.20 | levi | Just about everything the exhaust shop guys do seems to involve plasma cutting and welding. :) |
| 16:02.33 | findlay | well, it's certainly easier |
| 16:08.08 | levi | If you've got the welding/plasma cutting tools and skills. |
| 16:09.08 | findlay | yeah, it'd probably bea easier to just use a lightsaber |
| 16:09.08 | findlay | s/a//g |
| 16:09.19 | levi | Someday, in the far off future, I'd like to have a well-equipped garage with a huge air compressor, nice air tools, welding stuff, and a small car lift. |
| 16:09.30 | levi | And then build a kit car or something cool. |
| 16:09.54 | levi | Like a Lotus 7 or Cobra replica. |
| 16:14.13 | tensai | makes you kinda wish for an electric car with very few moving parts |
| 16:15.02 | levi | That might be fun to make, too, but batteries are heavy and expensive. |
| 16:15.55 | findlay | http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1 |
| 16:16.18 | levi | Mmm, electric car in a Lotus Elise body. |
| 16:17.08 | levi | I'd love to have one of those. |
| 16:17.51 | levi | Except they are ridiculously expensive. |
| 16:18.37 | levi | It costs more than my condo did. |
| 16:20.57 | levi | This is another way cool car in development: http://dpcars.net/dp1/index.htm |
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| 16:30.52 | levi | It has a projected 0-60 time of 2 seconds and 0-100 in around 4.2 seconds. |
| 16:31.24 | levi | With enough practice, you could pass pretty much anyone on the track. |
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| 16:35.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Shoe Event Horizon? |
| 16:35.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Is that the point at which it becomes impossible for an economy to produce anything other than shoes? |
| 16:37.01 | findlay | basically |
| 16:38.17 | Lone_Wanderer | I remember wondering why that didn't actually happen when I first read that book. |
| 16:38.17 | Lone_Wanderer | (I was in Jr. High, give me a break.) |
| 16:38.49 | dataw0lf | the Guide |
| 16:39.01 | findlay | to the Universe? |
| 16:39.36 | dataw0lf | Hitchiker's |
| 16:39.53 | dataw0lf | s/Hitchiker's/Hitchhiker's/ |
| 16:40.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, it's in the Hitchhiker's Guide. |
| 16:40.25 | Lone_Wanderer | An economy collapses because (in short) there are too many shoe makers. |
| 16:42.53 | sjansen | Arrrrrrrghh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:43.20 | sjansen | I love my job. I've never had cooler co-workers. But sometimes there are disadvantages to working with a bunch of tech geeks. |
| 16:43.45 | sjansen | mwooodson is showing off one of his toys, just days after I decided to reduce my expenses. |
| 16:43.45 | maquis | sjansen: such as? |
| 16:43.54 | maquis | lol |
| 16:44.41 | Jayce^ | speaking of which sjansen I still need to post prices on old paintball equipment.. |
| 16:44.49 | Jayce^ | maybe after I do a writeup on this weekends game :) |
| 16:47.35 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, did you wind up coming to the game on saturday? |
| 16:47.48 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: Nay, got stuck in San Fran :\ |
| 16:48.05 | Jayce^ | darn.. |
| 16:48.15 | Jayce^ | coulda kicked some serious butt with us |
| 16:48.26 | dataw0lf | I know, I'm bummed |
| 16:52.10 | Lancep | hhmmm... reading about the dp1 is going kill me. |
| 16:57.12 | findlay | I have a UPS that doesn't work |
| 16:57.22 | findlay | pretty tempting. Got it at DI |
| 16:57.44 | levi | Lancep: Heh. You could spend hours going through his build logs. |
| 16:57.52 | levi | Lancep: Days, maybe. |
| 16:58.25 | findlay | I basically scrapped it for the fan and bvatteries |
| 17:00.54 | Lancep | i know |
| 17:01.19 | Lancep | although i was struck by the cost. |
| 17:01.33 | Lancep | i thought his point was that these super cars were over priced |
| 17:01.45 | Lancep | well and not well ballanced as a race car |
| 17:02.12 | levi | Well, he mentioned the Bugatti Veyron and the Ferrari Enzo. Those cost quite a bit more than the dp1. |
| 17:03.37 | levi | I'm sure the price is well within the range that someone willing to buy a track-only high-performance car is willing to pay. |
| 17:04.04 | levi | It might even come down if he ever produces it in volume, though probably not by a whole lot. |
| 17:04.17 | Lancep | yeah. my guess is if you can buy this you can prolly pay double or tripple for an exotic cause lets face it whatever kind of loan you can get on this is gonna be about like paying cash for it. |
| 17:05.01 | Lancep | and if you have 125k sitting around you prolly have some more where that came from |
| 17:05.05 | Lancep | i sure dont... |
| 17:05.44 | Lancep | ill just have to buy me a WRX STI or 350z (poor mans porche) and take that to the track. |
| 17:06.33 | Lancep | its really awesome to see the analysis that when into this though. |
| 17:07.02 | Lancep | would be more so if it hadnt allready been done in the formula circuit. |
| 17:07.37 | levi | Well, formula cars have ridiculous budgets. |
| 17:07.44 | Lancep | true. |
| 17:08.25 | levi | Imagine how much dough this guy is sinking into the R&D on this car, though. |
| 17:09.08 | Lancep | OMG yeah... |
| 17:09.39 | levi | He's clearly been very successful with his consulting business, though. :) |
| 17:11.18 | levi | Man, Dijkstra was one pessimistic dude. |
| 17:11.45 | Lancep | yeah didnt read that he was a consultant but i was gonna say, this is the kind of think you wind up doing when you find yourself a part owner of google or some thing. |
| 17:12.04 | sjansen | Life sucks, the halting problem is unsolveable, and then you end up in an infinite loop and die. |
| 17:12.18 | levi | "I now have had my foggy crystal ball for quit a long time. Its predictions are invariably gloomy and usually correct, but I am quite used to that and they won't keep me from giving you a few suggestions, even if it is merely an exercise in futility whose only effect is to make you feel guilty." |
| 17:12.28 | levi | s/quit/quite |
| 17:13.43 | findlay | ~halt |
| 17:15.14 | findlay | ~halt stuff |
| 17:15.22 | ibot | ACTION computes stuff then halts |
| 17:15.30 | findlay | hah! |
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| 17:20.17 | levi | That was from his talk, 'On the Cruelty of Really Teaching Computer Science' |
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| 17:26.24 | findlay | ~halt levi |
| 17:26.35 | ibot | ACTION computes levi then halts |
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| 17:38.33 | herlo | emcnabb: ping |
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| 17:41.26 | sjansen | herlo: ICMP host-denied-fragmentation-by-unstable-destination-detected |
| 17:41.46 | herlo | sjansen: what? |
| 17:42.47 | sjansen | *shrug* It's your firewall, but it looks to me like your attempt to ping emcnabb failed because he's too unstable (mentally). |
| 17:43.08 | herlo | ~lart sjansen... |
| 17:43.08 | ibot | send killer squirrels to attack sjansen... |
| 17:43.49 | sjansen | I thought only goozbach controlled the killer squirrels. |
| 17:45.59 | goozbach | ibot is one of my generals |
| 17:46.48 | goozbach | aparently she thought it needed to use the squirrel platoon |
| 17:47.01 | goozbach | s/it/she/ |
| 17:47.56 | goozbach | speaking of my highly trained rodents... |
| 17:48.06 | goozbach | ~seen fozzmoo |
| 17:48.24 | ibot | fozzmoo <n=fozz@65.89.234.66> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 6d 20h 57m 30s ago, saying: 'As long as they're not Bank Of America, I'm all in favor of them.'. |
| 17:54.58 | levi | ~ping elg |
| 17:55.01 | ibot | pong elg |
| 17:56.00 | levi | Wow, emacs 22 is actually going to be released. |
| 17:58.11 | levi | elg: This textbook might be useful for your bzflag AI project: http://planning.cs.uiuc.edu/ |
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| 18:15.45 | sjansen | Isn't emacs 22 and a Debian release one of the signs of the apocalypse? |
| 18:17.38 | levi | Probably. :) |
| 18:17.47 | levi | Maybe if emacs 22 was actually /in/ the Debian release. |
| 18:20.01 | goozbach | I'm just waiting until it's announced that Duke Nukem Forever has gone gold |
| 18:20.22 | goozbach | fozzmoo: done anything recently with your catalyst installer script? |
| 18:20.40 | fozzmoo | No. I should, eh? |
| 18:20.52 | goozbach | just wondering |
| 18:20.55 | Tene | You *used* it recently. |
| 18:20.57 | Tene | Does that count? |
| 18:20.57 | fozzmoo | Probably a handful of modules that have updated . |
| 18:21.08 | fozzmoo | yeah. I installed everything on newmussolini |
| 18:21.19 | goozbach | it's still running in the background |
| 18:21.27 | fozzmoo | There's still a couple problematic modules that require manual intervention, but on the whole it works well. |
| 18:21.45 | goozbach | I don't think it'd be that difficult to automate a repository creation |
| 18:21.56 | fozzmoo | goozbach: I like they way you think. |
| 18:22.09 | fozzmoo | goozbach: I accept your offer to do that. |
| 18:22.24 | Tene | Oh, goozbach, out of curiousity, how many hosts are you running on that xen box at XM? |
| 18:22.26 | goozbach | set up a cronjob to run the script (minus the cpan2rpm -i switch) |
| 18:22.37 | goozbach | Tene: which one? |
| 18:23.39 | sjansen | goozbach: The one you actually own, not the 13 others you've hacked into and hijacked. |
| 18:23.47 | goozbach | sjansen: shhh |
| 18:24.01 | sjansen | Oops. Did I forget to p/m again? |
| 18:24.06 | goozbach | sjansen: that reminds me... I'm not talking to you |
| 18:24.26 | goozbach | switching from linode and not contacting me |
| 18:24.52 | sjansen | *shrug* I have a strong "no business deals with co-workers" policy. |
| 18:25.06 | goozbach | damn you lamont! |
| 18:25.21 | goozbach | my first reaction was "but I'm no longer your co-worker" |
| 18:25.38 | goozbach | then I thought about it a bit more |
| 18:25.45 | goozbach | :) |
| 18:26.31 | Tene | goo: you could always kill lamont. |
| 18:26.57 | Tene | sjansen: do you have a "no business deals with murderers" policy? |
| 18:27.21 | sjansen | Tene: Not yet, but it sounds like a good idea. |
| 18:29.34 | goozbach | how about "aquitted murder suspects"? |
| 18:29.40 | goozbach | :) |
| 18:30.14 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.28 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.54 | Tene | Ahh. |
| 18:41.06 | graphyx | goozbach: who has a kid now? |
| 18:41.09 | graphyx | not sjansen? |
| 18:41.45 | vontrapp | dangit, sox can't decode mp3 again |
| 18:41.56 | graphyx | well that sox! |
| 18:42.01 | Tene | someone stole sjansen's kid? |
| 18:42.25 | lukfugl | tene: are you saying emcnabb stole sjansen's kid? |
| 18:42.53 | Tene | What? It was emcnabb? |
| 18:43.07 | Tene | emcnabb kidnaps children! |
| 18:43.09 | vontrapp | this egg is too hot |
| 18:43.34 | graphyx | but did you halt? |
| 18:43.39 | graphyx | that is the prblem. |
| 18:45.24 | Tene | We could solve the halting problem by requiring all terminating programs to specify the number of instructions they're going to run for. |
| 18:45.38 | goozbach | graphyx: Peregrine(Lamont) |
| 18:45.47 | vontrapp | i don't get why ubuntu can have other packages that understand mp3, but sox with mp3 support... that's just over the top! wtf |
| 18:45.50 | graphyx | oh ok. |
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| 18:45.55 | graphyx | I was starting to get worried |
| 18:45.56 | mgeary | hiya all |
| 18:46.36 | graphyx | hiya individual |
| 18:46.36 | mgeary | actually, i'm a collective |
| 18:46.36 | goozbach | bananagun! |
| 18:46.38 | Tene | mgeary: was it *you* that stole sjansen's kid? |
| 18:46.46 | mgeary | uhhh |
| 18:46.47 | graphyx | bang bang bang bang bang bang bananagun |
| 18:46.54 | lukfugl | Tene: he must be in cahoots with the mcnabbs |
| 18:47.06 | mgeary | maybe |
| 18:47.12 | lukfugl | mcnabbgeary |
| 18:47.32 | vontrapp | this steamer is awesome |
| 18:47.32 | lukfugl | or gearymcnabb |
| 18:47.53 | vontrapp | egg peels like all easy |
| 18:47.56 | graphyx | perhaps mgeary is mcnabbs maiden name |
| 18:48.14 | vontrapp | and asparagus last night that was to die for |
| 18:48.29 | mgeary | hey, has anyone here ever seen the musical "Spamalot"? |
| 18:48.45 | levi | vontrapp: What manner of steamer are you speaking of? |
| 18:48.55 | dataw0lf | mgeary: I have. |
| 18:48.57 | lukfugl | vontrapp: you need to come over sometime soon and watch Snowball Express with us |
| 18:48.59 | mgeary | it's coming to town. trying to see whether it's appropriate to take my son to. |
| 18:49.10 | mgeary | is it PG? PG-13? R? |
| 18:49.13 | vontrapp | levi: oster |
| 18:49.20 | Lone_Wanderer | ~lart levi for ending his sentence in a preposition. |
| 18:49.20 | ibot | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, levi, this won't hurt a bit...." for ending his sentence in a preposition. |
| 18:49.27 | vontrapp | nice big one, and can do two tier |
| 18:49.31 | sjansen | So what you really want to know is "Does it include Castle Anthrax"? |
| 18:49.37 | mgeary | heh |
| 18:49.39 | mgeary | that too |
| 18:50.06 | dataw0lf | mgeary: No idea, I don't pay attention to severity of content unless it's stupefyingly naive or stupefyingly offensive |
| 18:50.31 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Which orifice is that grammar stick stuck up? ;) |
| 18:50.55 | vontrapp | -lart xmms |
| 18:51.10 | lukfugl | -chat about brac forces |
| 18:51.11 | brac | brac forces Jayce^ to learn about a usb cord and all though |
| 18:51.20 | Lone_Wanderer | levi: You're supposed to tortorously rearrange your sentence to avoid ending with a preposition. |
| 18:51.21 | lukfugl | -chat about ibot forces |
| 18:51.22 | brac | ibot forces brac to the no-copying agreement in exchange for Housekeeper] |
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| 18:51.37 | Lone_Wanderer | That is the sort of English up with which I will not put. |
| 18:52.03 | lukfugl | bzzzzy |
| 18:52.08 | lukfugl | erm, bzzzzt |
| 18:52.09 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: It's more fun to arrange things such that prepositions are what they all end with. |
| 18:52.37 | Lone_Wanderer | levi: What if my sentence doesn't have one? |
| 18:52.41 | lukfugl | "put up" is an atomic verb unit. you not only may end the sentence with "up", but in that case should |
| 18:52.53 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Then you must add one on. |
| 18:52.56 | Lone_Wanderer | put up with, lukfugl |
| 18:53.02 | sjansen | Lone_Wanderer: Add a superfluous one with. |
| 18:53.31 | Lone_Wanderer | superfluous is the word that Adam impresses Eve with. |
| 18:53.38 | lukfugl | I, personally, don't think of "with" as an atomic part of the verb, but I don't really care about ending sentences with prepositions :)\ |
| 18:54.19 | Lone_Wanderer | lukfugl: The sentence would have ended with "put up with" if he hadn't rearranged it. |
| 18:54.48 | vontrapp | dang, output clipped |
| 18:54.58 | graphyx | -chat about put up |
| 18:54.58 | brac | put up any ideas on what they were screaming and didn't reaize it =\ |
| 18:55.05 | lukfugl | Lone_Wanderer: this is how I would have arranged it, preserving the "put up" atomic verb unit: "That is the sort of English with which I will not put up". |
| 18:56.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, I see, I split up "put up" and that's what you're complaining about? |
| 18:56.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Actually Winston Churchill did but whatever :p |
| 18:56.10 | lukfugl | yeah |
| 18:56.10 | vontrapp | i just don't put up with engrish |
| 18:56.10 | lukfugl | ~lart Winston Churchill |
| 18:56.10 | ibot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to Winston Churchill, and goes postal |
| 18:56.10 | lukfugl | -lart Winston Churchill |
| 18:56.21 | lukfugl | it's a lart stack |
| 18:56.30 | mgeary | we could all like germans be, and our verbs at the end of each sentence put |
| 18:56.43 | vontrapp | lukfugl: i'm burning OMD/best of, with milky way at the end |
| 18:56.54 | vontrapp | if i can ever get there |
| 18:57.11 | levi | I think my steamer is an Oster, too. I don't use it much, but my wife steams veggies with it occasionally. |
| 18:57.14 | lukfugl | vontrapp: did you notice my snowball express invitation earlier? |
| 18:57.25 | sjansen | ~snowball #utah |
| 18:57.32 | ibot | ACTION launches a snowball tightly compressed with little shards of ice at #utah |
| 18:57.33 | vontrapp | watch, i convert everything and when i'm ready to burn it won't fit :/ |
| 18:57.33 | lukfugl | maybe you were to little to remember it |
| 18:57.40 | vontrapp | lukfugl: yeah, sounds fun |
| 18:58.04 | vontrapp | i remember a large machine terrorizing ski slopes |
| 18:58.15 | lukfugl | we borrowed it from Stacey's parents. I'm looking forward to it, haven't seen it since I was 12 or so |
| 18:58.52 | levi | Is that the one where the family buys an old ski lodge or something? |
| 18:59.02 | lukfugl | levi: yes |
| 18:59.08 | lukfugl | or inherits, I think |
| 18:59.14 | levi | Ahh. I watched that with my wife a while ago. |
| 18:59.36 | vontrapp | levi: we got ours as a wedding gift, just unburried it from the storage closet yesterday for easter asparagus |
| 18:59.40 | lukfugl | the grandpa is the best |
| 18:59.45 | vontrapp | first time using it |
| 19:00.26 | levi | vontrapp: How do you do eggs in it? |
| 19:00.43 | vontrapp | hard 'boiled' |
| 19:01.00 | vontrapp | about 12 |
| 19:01.03 | vontrapp | minutes |
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| 19:01.14 | levi | Ahh, okay. When you talked about sticking, I thought they were out of the shell. |
| 19:01.35 | vontrapp | no, the shell didn't stick :) |
| 19:01.56 | vontrapp | ~shoot lukfugl |
| 19:01.57 | ibot | ACTION shoots lukfugl in the ear with a quantum singularity weapon! |
| 19:02.15 | lukfugl | oww, why'd I get shot? |
| 19:02.18 | vontrapp | cdrecord: Bad audio track size 42860544 for track 17. |
| 19:02.22 | vontrapp | cdrecord: Audio tracks must be at least 705600 bytes and a multiple of 2352. |
| 19:02.23 | vontrapp | cdrecord: See -pad option. |
| 19:02.26 | vontrapp | -lart cdrecord |
| 19:03.25 | vontrapp | lukfugl: now your brain is in another time zone! |
| 19:03.42 | lukfugl | but I still don't know why... |
| 19:04.12 | vontrapp | that's ok, just accept it |
| 19:04.39 | lukfugl | ~shoot vontrapp |
| 19:04.41 | ibot | ACTION shoots vontrapp in the foot with a cork gun! |
| 19:04.50 | lukfugl | lame |
| 19:04.54 | lukfugl | -lart vontrapp |
| 19:04.59 | lukfugl | bah |
| 19:05.25 | tensai | aaah! somebody's trying to break into my office. |
| 19:06.09 | tensai | if you don't hear from me again, elg you can have my baking stones and redbeard1 you can have my baguette pan |
| 19:06.22 | redbeard1 | sweet! |
| 19:06.32 | vontrapp | what do i get? |
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| 19:07.35 | vontrapp | dcd 17 |
| 19:07.41 | vontrapp | oops |
| 19:07.50 | lukfugl | looks like amcnabb suceeded in breaking into tensai's office |
| 19:09.04 | tensai | I'm scared to look out the door for fear that they might see me and want to talk |
| 19:09.11 | lukfugl | vontrapp: nah, got the mp3s already |
| 19:09.17 | vontrapp | kk |
| 19:10.13 | vontrapp | sweet, new music for my car |
| 19:10.24 | vontrapp | now i go to class late |
| 19:11.07 | redbeard1 | tensai: you need to invest in hidden cameras to hide outside your office |
| 19:11.07 | amcnabb | lukfugl: ? |
| 19:11.46 | lukfugl | amcnabb: tensai reported that someone was trying to break into his office, and you entered the room shortly thereafter |
| 19:11.57 | vontrapp | amcnabb: you vile office looter, we all know it was you already |
| 19:12.27 | lukfugl | I was actually about to insinuate it might be emcnabb, but your timing was just perfect :) |
| 19:12.30 | tensai | redbeard1: that would have been a good idea yesterday |
| 19:12.55 | sjansen | Just like a mcnabb to break into someone's office, scaring 'em half to death. |
| 19:13.06 | tensai | see, my office used to be open for customers to pay their bills and such. but now it's closed at at the end of the month I'll be working at home. |
| 19:13.09 | amcnabb | :) |
| 19:13.28 | herlo | amcnabb: where's emcnabb hiding? |
| 19:13.33 | herlo | ~seen emcnabb |
| 19:13.40 | ibot | emcnabb is currently on #utah. Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 22h 7m 55s, last said: '~lart elg '. |
| 19:13.52 | tensai | so I keep it locked so as not to protect the solitudeness of my fortress of solitude |
| 19:14.24 | tensai | it's pretty easy to see that I'm in here though. but nobody knocked, just pulled on the door and fiddled with the lock. |
| 19:14.43 | tensai | amcnabb: so what did you want anyway? |
| 19:15.13 | levi | redbeard1: Are you aware of http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cookbook |
| 19:15.15 | levi | ? |
| 19:15.35 | amcnabb | tensai: I'm always looking for nice mousepads and stuff like that. |
| 19:16.08 | amcnabb | That and boxes of staples. |
| 19:16.10 | redbeard1 | levi: i've heard of it, but never looked through it |
| 19:16.25 | levi | Looks like it could use some filling out. |
| 19:16.39 | tensai | it's a shame you guys aren't around because I'll probably end up trashing a lot of this stuff. |
| 19:23.15 | tensai | ah, man! I bent my wookie. |
| 19:25.29 | dataw0lf | tensai: I don't even want to know what that means |
| 19:26.01 | lukfugl | dataw0lf: simpson's reference |
| 19:26.10 | lukfugl | s/'// |
| 19:26.16 | tensai | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Wiggum |
| 19:46.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Ralph Wiggum sounds like me when I was a kid O_O |
| 19:46.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Maybe me not as a kid too. |
| 20:03.37 | sjansen | http://www.chucrutecomsalsicha.com/archives/004687.html |
| 20:03.38 | brac | [Chucrute com Salsicha: Pecan and Salt Caramel Cheesecake] |
| 20:05.28 | redbeard1 | what is salt caramel? |
| 20:05.42 | levi | Like caramel, but saltier! ;) |
| 20:05.52 | redbeard1 | it sounds good, actually |
| 20:05.56 | levi | Yeah. |
| 20:06.01 | redbeard1 | something salty to counterbalance the sweet |
| 20:06.06 | Lone_Wanderer | I used to put salt in my mint tea. |
| 20:06.08 | levi | The cheesecake looks like a pecan pie, which is always good. |
| 20:06.12 | redbeard1 | very yin yang |
| 20:06.32 | levi | I love me some pecan pie. |
| 20:06.37 | sjansen | redbeard1: I gave you the link. Don't you think a fair trade would be to make me one? |
| 20:06.42 | Lone_Wanderer | I was eating sunflower seeds and drinking mint tea once and it was really good. |
| 20:07.11 | redbeard1 | sjansen: when was i last described as fair? |
| 20:08.12 | sjansen | redbeard1: And generous. And loving. And handsome. And a good cook. And friendly. And, and, and... I want me some free food! |
| 20:08.25 | Jayce^ | sjansen, great, now he's going to expect me to translate |
| 20:08.34 | levi | Is a pitada generosa supposed to be a generous pinch? |
| 20:08.42 | sjansen | Jayce^: So? Just save me a piece. |
| 20:08.43 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 20:09.35 | levi | Bah, I don't care enough to try to translate from a language I don't know. |
| 20:09.41 | Jayce^ | from the comments -> "deve ser de ajoelhar e rezar" didnt' realize the missionary training would be so handy :) |
| 20:11.00 | Jayce^ | levi, just use his link to http://www.chow.com/recipes/10673 |
| 20:11.54 | sjansen | That's cheating. |
| 20:12.05 | levi | Sounds delicious. :) |
| 20:12.14 | levi | Even more delicious when it's in English. |
| 20:12.39 | Jayce^ | sjansen, I can't help it if they aren't blessed enough to read your link... |
| 20:13.55 | Jayce^ | doesn't help that he does accents correctly, except for c-cedillia |
| 20:16.14 | goozbach | so when/why/where did Realmsys go under? |
| 20:17.02 | levi | Did that finally happen? |
| 20:17.05 | Jayce^ | a certain person we knew there commented many times about their bleeding money in the wrong places.. |
| 20:18.46 | levi | I was never very confident that they'd take off. |
| 20:18.49 | mheath | man I'm messed up :( |
| 20:19.04 | levi | More knee problems? |
| 20:20.24 | mheath | No. |
| 20:20.48 | goozbach | I'm kinda glad I didn't go to work there |
| 20:20.53 | mheath | I'm just messed up. Stressed out, got my mind on knee issues and medical problems, not focusing, so I keep making little mistakes I shouldn't be making |
| 20:21.25 | goozbach | maybe you should quit the military and technology and start selling ice cream in suburban chicago |
| 20:21.39 | goozbach | out of an old 60's chevy van |
| 20:21.50 | mheath | Managed to make two mistakes that, in the Marine Corps (Navy has different expectations), would have gotten me massively NJP'd. (IE: Massively in trouble, at a very high level) |
| 20:22.04 | mheath | As it is, I'm in deep trouple, got really chewed out. |
| 20:22.30 | sjansen | Realmsys? |
| 20:22.44 | goozbach | and just think, if you had a blog, you could vent, AND we wouldn't have to bother listening to it |
| 20:22.49 | goozbach | sjansen: yup |
| 20:22.55 | Jayce^ | goozbach++ |
| 20:22.59 | sjansen | What'd they do? Where were they based? |
| 20:23.01 | levi | sjansen: The place Thayne worked at, which made little dongle computer thingies or something. |
| 20:23.08 | goozbach | salt lake and seattle |
| 20:23.15 | goozbach | been bought out it looks |
| 20:23.28 | goozbach | they made the blackdog boxen |
| 20:23.47 | sjansen | levi: You mean that portable USB computer for accessing secure apps on insecure machines? |
| 20:23.57 | Jayce^ | sjansen, yes |
| 20:24.00 | sjansen | Never quite made sense to me. |
| 20:24.02 | levi | sjansen: Yeah, that little dongle computer thingy. |
| 20:24.33 | levi | Didn't make sense to me, either. I mean, it's kind of geeky-cool, but not the sort of thing I'd actually buy. |
| 20:24.33 | goozbach | we bought a router and about 75 units about a year ago |
| 20:24.41 | sjansen | Sounded cool. But when you've got to hold a contest to challenge people to come up with actual uses... |
| 20:24.50 | goozbach | haven't even installed it yet |
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| 20:25.24 | sjansen | Jayce^: Did Thayne get out before things went bad? |
| 20:25.30 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 20:25.33 | sjansen | good |
| 20:25.35 | Jayce^ | a while back |
| 20:25.56 | levi | sjansen: You don't recall the minor controversy spurred by his job seeking announcement? |
| 20:26.00 | Jayce^ | he posted that he was looking on plug, and by that afternoon had several interviews lined up |
| 20:26.23 | levi | Heh, glad that worked for him. :) |
| 20:26.37 | fozzmoo | controversy? |
| 20:26.45 | sjansen | levi: Controversy washes over me like bbq sauce across a ducks back. |
| 20:28.25 | levi | fozzmoo: Some people seemed a bit put off by it. |
| 20:28.27 | Tene | What was controversial about that, levi? |
| 20:28.28 | levi | I don't know; I didn't think it was controversial. |
| 20:29.33 | levi | I just recall a small thread surrounding the announcement when someone got bent out of shape or something over it. |
| 20:29.33 | sjansen | Was he the one who posted the "Linux is dying, act now and get a great job in plastics!" announcement? |
| 20:30.16 | harleypig | ... twist and shout ... |
| 20:30.46 | sjansen | harleypig: back pain? |
| 20:31.47 | lukfugl | ow ow ow! |
| 20:31.49 | Jayce^ | goozbach, IT CAN"T TAKE MUCH MORE!!! it's going to break at any time!!! |
| 20:31.56 | Jayce^ | *TWANG* |
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| 20:38.47 | mheath | ~welcome ibot |
| 20:39.04 | ibot | Welcome to the party, ibot! |
| 20:39.05 | goozbach | continue it a couple of times, and then have some funny slogan flash across the screen |
| 20:39.08 | tensai | now sjansen's ramblings will be publicly archived again |
| 20:39.20 | TimRiker | ibot's server got upgraded to the new debian stable. (etch) |
| 20:39.38 | mheath | ~version |
| 20:39.52 | ibot | rumour has it, version is sarge 3.1 |
| 20:39.52 | mheath | :P |
| 20:39.54 | Jayce^ | hurrah for etch |
| 20:40.44 | goozbach | FYI that wasn't really a flamewar when Thayne posted his "looking for job" email |
| 20:40.44 | goozbach | ONE person took offense |
| 20:40.58 | tensai | goozbach: stop it. you're offending me with your flamewar bashing! |
| 20:40.59 | levi | I didn't say there was a flamewar. |
| 20:41.13 | levi | I said there was a minor controversy. |
| 20:41.15 | levi | And a discussion thread. |
| 20:41.16 | sjansen | And then someone else said "But he's Thayne. Thayne is special." And we all sang kumbaya. |
| 20:41.17 | Jayce^ | tensai, you and your nazi like enforcement on what a flamewar is!! |
| 20:42.07 | TimRiker | thayne was at realm, yes? what happened to them? |
| 20:42.22 | Jayce^ | TimRiker, 6ft deep |
| 20:42.31 | TimRiker | Jayce^: recent news? |
| 20:42.34 | sjansen | (In his best Plucky voice.) Realmsys go down the hole. |
| 20:43.00 | Jayce^ | just goozbach realizing they are gone, and asking question... lots of questions... |
| 20:43.06 | Jayce^ | I'd poke thayne for info |
| 20:45.21 | levi | Yargh. This C code I'm reading is in the hyper-verbose give every { its own line style. |
| 20:45.56 | dataw0lf | eek |
| 20:46.27 | levi | And not only are the {'s on their own line, but they're indented from the line above, and the text within them is indented, too. |
| 20:46.44 | levi | while(foo) |
| 20:46.45 | levi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.51 | levi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.54 | Jayce^ | ugh, double indenting :( |
| 20:46.57 | levi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.58 | levi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.01 | levi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.10 | levi | another_thing(); |
| 20:47.18 | levi | So... much... whitespace! |
| 20:49.17 | tensai | how did realmsys go out of business? they had that awesome video with Jon Lovitz. |
| 20:49.23 | tensai | *Jon* *Lovitz* |
| 20:50.32 | Tene | levi: your editor can't magically show it to you with your preferred formatting? |
| 20:51.10 | sjansen | Tene: I'm sure levi knows about the indent command. He also knows better than to create churn by reformatting code. |
| 20:51.32 | elg | ~churn sjansen |
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| 20:51.55 | graphyx | doesn't your ide have the magic "reformat whitespace" function? |
| 20:52.22 | Tene | sjansen: I was suggesting that it should keep the formatting the same in the file, but display it to him with his preferred formatting instead. |
| 20:52.25 | sjansen | you mean the evil "reformat whitespace" function? |
| 20:54.39 | levi | Tene: And how would it know how to format the changes I make when I write them out? |
| 20:54.45 | goozbach | sjansen: you mean your revision control system doesn't know how to handle whitespace?! |
| 20:55.07 | Tene | levi: that's your problem, not mine. I just suggest Great Ideas! I did the hard part. |
| 20:55.27 | goozbach | someday, when I invent a revsioin control system, I'll be an expert on everything. |
| 20:55.40 | goozbach | INCLUDING fluid dynamics |
| 20:55.55 | Tene | What about knitting? |
| 20:56.02 | goozbach | Tene: of course |
| 20:56.03 | levi | I think you could write a revision control system without knowing much about fluid dynamics. |
| 20:56.12 | goozbach | levi: I know |
| 20:57.44 | levi | But if you need a cluster to run your fluid dynamics programs, let me know! |
| 20:57.45 | goozbach | sjansen: see, even after two+ years it's still funny |
| 20:57.45 | sjansen | goozbach: yup |
| 20:57.45 | sjansen | levi may be an evil emacs user, but at least he isn't an evil whitespace mangler |
| 20:57.46 | goozbach | levi: I wouldn't know anything about fluid dynamics, the fact I'd written a revision control system would MAKE me an expert on fluid dynamics |
| 20:58.20 | levi | One of the nice things about Scheme is that it's very easy to properly indent programmatically, and there's a single indentation style that pretty much everyone follows. |
| 20:58.39 | goozbach | yeah, but it's Scheme |
| 20:58.48 | sjansen | ~slap goozbach |
| 20:58.50 | ibot | ACTION slaps goozbach, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 20:58.54 | levi | Indeed, which means it has all sorts of other nice things. |
| 20:59.03 | goozbach | which of course I'll be an expert in, when I finish my RCS |
| 20:59.10 | sjansen | Everyone know that Scheme is almost as good as Lisp and Lisp is the One True Language(tm). |
| 20:59.23 | sjansen | heathen |
| 20:59.41 | goozbach | sjansen: you already knew I was a heathen |
| 21:00.51 | levi | Scheme /is/ Lisp, it just isn't Common Lisp. |
| 21:01.31 | Tene | levi: you should use indentation instead of parens for grouping. It's more *readable*, didn't you know that? |
| 21:02.57 | levi | Tene: I don't use parens for grouping; the read function uses them for grouping. I use the indentation. |
| 21:05.11 | sjansen | Tene: I think you meant braces instead of parens. It's okay, most people who aren't very good with computers make that mistake all the time. |
| 21:09.02 | sjansen | Tene: It's no fun when you don't bite. |
| 21:09.22 | Tene | I'm sorry. |
| 21:09.23 | Tene | Um... |
| 21:09.44 | Tene | "I didn't know that scheme used braces?"? |
| 21:09.51 | sjansen | Tene: Make fun of my haircut. That _always_ works. |
| 21:10.00 | Tene | oh. |
| 21:10.21 | goozbach | pineapple! |
| 21:10.23 | Tene | Your hair consists of many thin strands! |
| 21:10.30 | Tene | It grows from your skin! |
| 21:10.54 | sjansen | It hurts because it's true. :-( |
| 21:11.26 | Tene | Many of your hairs fall out daily, but new hairs are grown to replace them! |
| 21:12.26 | sjansen | Ha! Shows what you know! I'm going bald. How do you like them apples? Huh? That's what I thought. |
| 21:15.07 | goozbach | sjansen: you forgot the "you insensative clod!!!" part |
| 21:15.34 | herlo | ~spell goozbach |
| 21:15.40 | sjansen | goozbach: And of course you had to point that out. You insensitive clod. |
| 21:16.16 | goozbach | herlo: I'm unspellable! |
| 21:16.25 | goozbach | you insensitive clod |
| 21:17.23 | goozbach | I'm inspelable |
| 21:18.02 | goozbach | see I spell so bad. that when I'm intentionally trying to spell something wrong, I get it right |
| 21:18.04 | herlo | goozbach: for sure |
| 21:18.16 | goozbach | at least I think... |
| 21:18.18 | herlo | goozbach: when? where? what? |
| 21:18.31 | herlo | unspellable would not be a word my guess... |
| 21:18.49 | sjansen | I think, therefore... oh forget it, who wants pizza? |
| 21:19.25 | herlo | s/ae/e/g |
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| 21:22.29 | mheath | what am I supposed to do when I look at myself and see tons of things I hate in a person? See myself making mistakes I regard as completely unsat... |
| 21:22.51 | Tene | mheath: arson |
| 21:22.57 | mheath | I feel worthless. I try, and I still fail to even meet the standard that I view as absolutely minimum. |
| 21:23.47 | elg | pushups |
| 21:23.50 | levi | mheath: You need to step back and take a look at why you are so critical of yourself. If you can't convince yourself that you're all right, you ought to see a counselor. |
| 21:24.20 | elg | Tene: you're so destructive |
| 21:24.20 | mheath | I really feel like theres no point of me existing. I've wasted a year of my life, I'm somewhat disabled for life, and I can't even focus enough to avoid making mistakes like this. |
| 21:24.20 | elg | Tene: can you come over and play |
| 21:24.35 | mheath | This is the kind of stuff that I look at other people doing and think "Man, how can they be so stupid and horrible to do something like _that_?" |
| 21:24.35 | levi | mheath: You sound like you're depressed, and that can really skew your self-perception. |
| 21:24.44 | elg | a year is small in the long run |
| 21:24.53 | elg | esp when you got through HS accelerated |
| 21:24.54 | lukfugl | very small |
| 21:24.55 | elg | take heart |
| 21:25.11 | sjansen | mheath: If you actually feel that way, and you're not just trying to get attention from us, you should talk to a counselor or psychologist. |
| 21:25.15 | elg | if you can't take heart, aim for at least a capillary |
| 21:25.39 | mheath | I don't have strict standard for myself, even |
| 21:26.01 | mheath | I wasn't joking or exagerating when I said I've done TWO differnt things within the last 24 hours that would ahve gotten me NJPd if I was in the Marine Corps still |
| 21:26.18 | mheath | It's only because the Navy doesn't have as strict of standards that I'm juts in deep trouble. |
| 21:26.44 | levi | mheath: Everybody does stupid things at one time or another. As a teenager, you're more prone to doing stupid things. |
| 21:27.14 | mheath | not only am I physically unsat for the military, if I can't get my mind inthe game and start focusing on these things that matter, I'm also going to be military/disciplinarily unsat. |
| 21:27.19 | levi | I have a nephew that's about your age. You're in way better shape, as far as doing stupid things goes, than he is. |
| 21:27.33 | mheath | Yah, I get to go back to Utah, in a month, probably...... |
| 21:27.36 | mheath | Its going to be just like last time |
| 21:27.48 | mheath | Won't be able to find a job, except for going back to work at Applebee's |
| 21:28.12 | mheath | So I can make $7.50 with insufficient hours, doing the same thing I was doing in highschool. |
| 21:28.14 | levi | Go to the U. Take out student loans if you have to. |
| 21:29.12 | levi | Take advantage of the student counseling services they have, too. |
| 21:29.23 | mheath | Then I'll see the other people I went to highschool with. The people I was suppoesd to graduate with. |
| 21:29.46 | elg | so what? |
| 21:29.46 | levi | So? |
| 21:29.49 | mheath | Get to answer all the fun questions like "I thought you were in the military" or "What have you been doing this year?" |
| 21:29.59 | elg | tell them you're a secret agent |
| 21:30.01 | levi | Hint: They don't really care. |
| 21:30.13 | levi | They are as obsessed with their own lives as you are with yours. |
| 21:30.14 | elg | whose job it is to nail their hides to cell walls |
| 21:30.31 | goozbach | ~seen jsmith |
| 21:30.52 | ibot | jsmith <n=jsmith@000-168-745.area3.spcsdns.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk-doc, 1h 14m 48s ago, saying: 'Yes'. |
| 21:30.52 | levi | Just tell them you had knee problems you didn't know the extent of when you joined. |
| 21:31.00 | levi | That sort of thing happens to people all the time. |
| 21:31.57 | sjansen | "They kick me out after I beat up my drill instructor with the butt of my rifle... So how was your summer?" |
| 21:32.50 | elg | here's a novel one: "I'd rather talk about something else" |
| 21:32.56 | goozbach | could someone explain to me why disa is needed on an asterisk system? |
| 21:33.10 | mheath | I just see my future as completely void of anything I was ever interested in, and am struggling with the fact that I can't even satisfactorily live out my current messed up life. |
| 21:33.12 | elg | goozbach: sure |
| 21:33.15 | levi | I'm, oh, about 6 or so years off the schedule I expected I'd follow when I started at BYU. I flunked out of school, went through a bout of depression, and then got myself on my feet again. |
| 21:33.24 | elg | goozbach: who told you it was needed? what does needed mean? what do you know about disa? |
| 21:33.38 | mheath | I was actually happy hear, and doing well academically, and even this is getting pulled out from under me :( |
| 21:34.12 | sjansen | "I'm AWOL. I came back to stop the girl I loved from marrying another man. But she did it anyway, and now I'm a fugitive." |
| 21:35.13 | sjansen | Depression is very common. Especially in Utah. Almost seems like a rite of passage into adulthood. |
| 21:38.19 | mheath | well, I'm off. I've got to go do.....something. |
| 21:38.19 | levi | mheath: It sounds like a miserable situation, but the feelings you're experiencing are temporary. Human beings are resilient, and good at bouncing back from worse tragedies than you are facing now. Just get through your current problems, and things will get better. |
| 21:40.59 | tensai | goozbach: disa is not /required/, unless you plan to use it of course |
| 21:41.02 | tensai | *CLI> unload app_disa.so |
| 21:41.02 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.18 | levi | Ahh, the angst of the teenage years. |
| 21:42.02 | goozbach | this "contractor" said that we MUST use disa because if you don't have it's harder to do ANYTHING |
| 21:42.12 | tensai | I seem to recall xbmodder complaining about the same thing |
| 21:42.34 | tensai | goozbach: your "contractor" is full of what is known as "crap" |
| 21:42.54 | sjansen | tensai: And other people's money. Don't forget other people's money. |
| 21:43.28 | elg | goozbach: i just learned about disa a few weeks ago |
| 21:43.37 | elg | so I'd say he's a hammer looking for nails |
| 21:44.01 | levi | "No Grand Inquisitor has in readiness such terrible tortures as has anxiety." - Søren Kierkegaard, The Concept of Dread |
| 21:44.06 | goozbach | tensai: I knew that when he made this statement "RedHat Enterprise linux isn't stable, you should be running this on slackware or Gentoo" |
| 21:44.08 | elg | disa carries a burden of security with it btw. you don't wield disa lightly |
| 21:44.46 | elg | goozbach: heh |
| 21:45.03 | tensai | goozbach: I recall that. this guy sounds like a laugh a minute. |
| 21:45.18 | goozbach | elg: that's why I didn't compile it. |
| 21:45.50 | tensai | goozbach: you could also just remove it in modules.conf |
| 21:45.53 | elg | i wouldn't go as far as not compiling it. never know when you might want it and having to recompile things is a pain |
| 21:45.54 | goozbach | I'm about ready to go "hands off" and let this project die under the incompentance that is rampant |
| 21:46.24 | goozbach | I mis-understood the severity of the "security implications" |
| 21:46.33 | tensai | goozbach: to prove his absolute worthlessness, see if he prefers Mt Dew or Fresca |
| 21:46.56 | goozbach | worst that could happen, somebody figures out the disa password and starts making gobs of calls |
| 21:47.02 | goozbach | on the state's dime |
| 21:47.12 | elg | right |
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| 21:47.22 | mheath | WTF? |
| 21:47.26 | elg | or can access your internal disco-ball jukebox |
| 21:47.36 | goozbach | seeing as how securing the dialplan is NOT my responsiblity, I gave in and compiled the damn thing |
| 21:47.45 | mheath | USAA lists me in there system as a "Fireman Corpsman"? I don't think that exists. |
| 21:49.11 | goozbach | is incompetance contagious? |
| 21:49.18 | tensai | goozbach: extremely |
| 21:49.19 | goozbach | wanna make sure I don't catch it. |
| 21:49.40 | goozbach | maybe I should shower thourughly when I get home |
| 21:49.42 | mheath | Apparently I'm some kind of medic who works on engines. |
| 21:49.57 | Tene | mheath: you fix the sick machines! Of course you're a medic! |
| 21:50.02 | tensai | show up tomorrow with a face mask and some lysol. tell him you're just making sure you don't catch his incompetence. |
| 21:50.19 | tensai | that'd be pretty funny |
| 21:50.49 | Tene | Every time he says something stupid, spray the lysol in his eyes. |
| 21:52.33 | tensai | Tene: there you go. I see incompetence hasn't spread to you. |
| 21:57.04 | Tene | tensai: I've got a very bad case of incompetence, actually. |
| 22:08.14 | findlay | ~halt Tene |
| 22:08.16 | ibot | ACTION computes Tene then halts |
| 22:09.34 | findlay | ~halt is the command of the day |
| 22:09.36 | ibot | ACTION computes is the command of the day then halts |
| 22:09.50 | findlay | ibot: halt it, dude! |
| 22:09.53 | ibot | ACTION computes it, dude! then halts |
| 22:09.59 | findlay | I blame sjansen |
| 22:10.17 | sjansen | I would too if I were you. |
| 22:10.55 | findlay | -chat about halt |
| 22:10.55 | brac | halt had |
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| 22:12.12 | lukfugl | -chat about sjansen's hair |
| 22:12.12 | brac | sjansen's hair |
| 22:12.27 | lukfugl | -chat about sjansen likes |
| 22:12.27 | brac | sjansen likes |
| 22:12.30 | lukfugl | bah |
| 22:12.32 | sjansen | brac: Don't just leave us looping forever. Halt had what? |
| 22:12.33 | brac | beats me |
| 22:12.43 | findlay | heh |
| 22:12.55 | findlay | ~halt brac |
| 22:12.57 | ibot | ACTION computes brac then halts |
| 22:13.26 | nick125_lappy | elg: Java, Cobol, Java, Cobol, Java, Cobol, Java, Cobol |
| 22:13.48 | elg | ~language nick125_lappy |
| 22:13.49 | ibot | ACTION grabs nick125_lappy by the ear and washes nick125_lappy's mouth out with soap |
| 22:13.50 | lukfugl | -chat about php is |
| 22:13.51 | brac | php is poorly designed, and has speech recognition needing people... they could plug into that |
| 22:13.55 | lukfugl | lol |
| 22:14.08 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> The channel for OSS discussion in Utah | http://www.plug.org/node/28 | Utah Open Source Conference - September 6-8, 2007 | Dirty words like PHP and Fortran are not appreciated |
| 22:14.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Saying PHP in #utah is like saying bomb in #airport. |
| 22:15.19 | lukfugl | -chat about elg has |
| 22:15.19 | brac | elg has a tub :D |
| 22:15.36 | lukfugl | -chat about #utah is |
| 22:15.36 | brac | #utah is gonna be so entertaining |
| 22:15.41 | nick125_lappy | elg: php, fortran, php, fortran, php, fortran |
| 22:15.55 | lukfugl | -chat about dirty words |
| 22:15.55 | brac | dirty words |
| 22:16.00 | lukfugl | boooring |
| 22:16.03 | findlay | -chat about lol |
| 22:16.03 | brac | lol was |
| 22:16.13 | findlay | -chat lukfugl was |
| 22:16.13 | brac | lukfugl was being larted =P |
| 22:16.21 | lukfugl | *sniff* |
| 22:16.24 | findlay | heh |
| 22:16.30 | findlay | -chat findlay is |
| 22:16.30 | brac | findlay is crazy |
| 22:16.37 | nick125_lappy | 16:20 >>>> #airport: No such channel |
| 22:16.37 | findlay | nice |
| 22:16.39 | nick125_lappy | :( |
| 22:17.05 | elg | -chat about lukfugl |
| 22:17.05 | brac | lukfugl was being promoted |
| 22:17.09 | lukfugl | that's better |
| 22:17.17 | findlay | -chat findlay |
| 22:17.17 | brac | findlay did |
| 22:17.23 | findlay | -chat stuff |
| 22:17.23 | brac | stuff did |
| 22:17.30 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 22:17.44 | ibot | chops sontek in half with a free Solaris 7 CD |
| 22:17.44 | lukfugl | -chat about elg |
| 22:17.44 | brac | elg did |
| 22:17.44 | findlay | whatever |
| 22:17.44 | lukfugl | -lart elg |
| 22:17.47 | lukfugl | I mean... |
| 22:17.50 | lukfugl | -lart sjansen |
| 22:18.31 | sjansen | lukfugl: Ha! Lock jaw won't prevent me from typing! |
| 22:19.17 | findlay | ~poke brac |
| 22:19.27 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind brac, pokes brac repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 22:20.33 | mheath | hey, maybe someone in here could provide some insight into this |
| 22:20.50 | mheath | if/when I get discharged in about a month, I'll probably be having to drive my car cross-country back to Utah |
| 22:21.09 | mheath | Problem is, I'm 17. Most hotels/motels won't rent to me, I believe. What are some good options on where to spend the night? |
| 22:21.55 | elg | camp |
| 22:22.23 | lukfugl | camp++, koa-- |
| 22:22.30 | elg | buy a tent for the price of one night in a motel. buy a sleeping bag and pad for the price of the second night |
| 22:22.39 | elg | travel back a scenic route and enjoy the trip |
| 22:22.53 | lukfugl | just find some good forest service land (or if you're in the middle of nowhere, patch of ground a distance from the road) |
| 22:23.01 | tensai | sleep is for the weak |
| 22:23.05 | lukfugl | ~agree elg |
| 22:23.19 | lukfugl | and do it on motorcycle if you can |
| 22:23.37 | lukfugl | but don't forget your copy of pirsig... |
| 22:23.46 | tensai | maybe I just look old enough, but I've never been asked my age when renting a hotel room |
| 22:23.50 | elg | anyone here do flash programming? |
| 22:23.57 | findlay | ~sleep tensai |
| 22:23.59 | ibot | ACTION sends tensai to bed without supper |
| 22:24.08 | goozbach | mheath: expedia.com |
| 22:24.12 | goozbach | buy a plane ticket |
| 22:24.24 | elg | and one for your little car too |
| 22:24.25 | mheath | goozbach, I'd do that. (Chances are the Navy will buy me a free plane ticket back) |
| 22:24.29 | mheath | But my dad just drove my car back here |
| 22:24.37 | mheath | I have to get my car back home somehow :p |
| 22:24.45 | goozbach | sell it, and buy another |
| 22:25.18 | tensai | that's what cruise control is for. just flip it on, close your eyes and problem solved. |
| 22:25.34 | mheath | I might enjoy a cross country trip, taking my time... |
| 22:25.46 | findlay | just go and live with goozbach. He's just one state away |
| 22:25.50 | findlay | be his sidekick |
| 22:26.03 | mheath | Might eventually run out of money, though. I'll only have ~$1,000 saved |
| 22:26.17 | mheath | Erm, $3,000 if you count my savings, but I don't want to get into that.. |
| 22:26.45 | sjansen | camping++ |
| 22:26.59 | sjansen | arson-- |
| 22:27.10 | lukfugl | koa arson++ |
| 22:27.14 | elg | where areyou at again? illinois? |
| 22:27.24 | mheath | elg, ....That was boot camp. |
| 22:27.36 | lukfugl | if you can't tell, I'm not a koa fan |
| 22:27.47 | mheath | lukfugl, Why not, if I may ask? |
| 22:28.01 | elg | ok, so like 4 days if you drive relatively straight |
| 22:28.23 | lukfugl | exorbitant rates, mostly. $30 a night for a tiny plot -- might as well get a cheap motel room |
| 22:28.40 | mheath | elg, I'm not sure I want to drive that much, though. I'll probably extend to at least a week |
| 22:28.46 | lukfugl | maybe they're service for RVs is better, but for car + tent they suck |
| 22:28.49 | mheath | I've never tried driving for ~8 hours a day. |
| 22:28.56 | elg | if you buy food at the grocery store instead of eating out, you can eat for even 2 weeks for well under $1k |
| 22:29.13 | elg | and you could afford to stop at some pay camp sites for convenience instead of hunting down national forest places |
| 22:29.26 | elg | pshaw |
| 22:29.33 | mheath | lukfugl, except, I can't get a cheap motel room :P |
| 22:29.35 | elg | you haven't lived until you've driven 15 hours in one day |
| 22:29.38 | lukfugl | only 8 a day, that's nothing |
| 22:30.33 | tensai | mheath: just be extremely careful about sleep. by the time you feel tired, you're twice as tired as you realize. stop and take a break. preferably not on the roadway. |
| 22:30.47 | lukfugl | yes, do pay attention to tensai |
| 22:31.04 | sjansen | Drive 1.5. Break .5. Wash, rinse, repeat. 8 hours driving is easy if you spread it over 10 hours. |
| 22:31.15 | elg | anyone want to make a quick buck? |
| 22:31.21 | lukfugl | sjansen++ |
| 22:31.35 | Jayce^ | harleypig will do anything for a quick buck |
| 22:31.38 | sjansen | elg: I want to make a quick $50++ |
| 22:31.55 | findlay | stuff++ |
| 22:31.55 | tensai | sjansen: that'll get you jail time |
| 22:32.00 | mheath | Hey, is there any map programs that are a bit more flexible than google maps and the like for long trip plannig? |
| 22:32.02 | findlay | jail time-- |
| 22:32.05 | elg | I need someone to write a javascript function to magically generate or modify a form and then post it |
| 22:32.09 | elg | not rocket science |
| 22:32.21 | findlay | but magic |
| 22:32.22 | mheath | IE, breaks the trip down into mangeable portions, so you know about where you need to plan for lodging each night... |
| 22:32.29 | sjansen | mheath: Do you know anyone with AAA? They make travel packets for members. |
| 22:32.41 | mheath | sjansen, I have AAA. |
| 22:32.49 | tensai | mheath: there's travel planning software out there |
| 22:32.52 | elg | I'll pay my rate, as long as you know what you're doing. i.e. you know what forms are and can program your way out of a box with javascript |
| 22:32.56 | tensai | Streets and Trips comes to mind |
| 22:33.01 | sjansen | I think AAA calls it a Trip Tic. |
| 22:33.03 | lukfugl | my father in law seems to have a decent one, but it's a software package (purchased) not a website, and I can't remember what it is |
| 22:33.08 | mheath | sjansen, Could said travel packets even accomidate someone in my situation, though? |
| 22:33.18 | mheath | I can't spend the night at a motel, because of my age |
| 22:34.24 | elg | mheath: it's called an atlas and a ruler |
| 22:34.24 | mheath | And I thought AAA was mainly in the business (as far as travel planning goes) of recommending motels. |
| 22:34.24 | tensai | I'm not convinced about the "no hotels until you're 18" deal |
| 22:34.25 | sjansen | Sure. You tell them the constraints, they do the leg work. Find camp grounds, research construction, suggest alternate routes. |
| 22:34.37 | mheath | tensai, not convinced thats the way it is, or not convinced thats the way it should be? |
| 22:34.45 | tensai | don't rely strictly on google maps. look where that got james kim. |
| 22:34.48 | sjansen | At least they used. Maybe they don't anymore because of the 'Net. But it's worth looking into. |
| 22:35.00 | tensai | mheath: not convinced that's the way it is |
| 22:35.20 | mheath | http://www.motel6.com/reservations/policies.asp |
| 22:35.21 | brac | [Motel 6 - Reservation Policies] |
| 22:35.45 | mheath | "All guests registering must be 18 years of age or older (19-21 years of age required at some locations) and must present identification upon check-in." |
| 22:35.59 | sjansen | If Motel 6 won't take you, ain't nobody gonna take you. ;-) |
| 22:37.37 | elg | no bites? |
| 22:38.01 | lukfugl | elg: I will, if no one else does. But what timeframe you need it in? |
| 22:38.20 | lukfugl | since I probably won't have time to look at it until tomorrow evening at the earliest |
| 22:38.25 | sontek | elg: what all does it have to do? I'm not looking for extra money but if it isn't time consuming i'll take a shot at it =) |
| 22:38.27 | tensai | elg: I will after work, again assuming nobody else jumps |
| 22:39.04 | lukfugl | (although an hour or two tomorrow evening will probably be sufficient if you can wait til then) |
| 22:39.14 | tensai | mheath: I can't remember ever being asked my age or for any form of identification to stay at a hotel |
| 22:39.50 | mheath | tensai, In my experience, they ask for credit card and then a drivers license as proof of ID for said credit card, then check the age while they're verifying ID. |
| 22:39.59 | mheath | I ran into this up at Myrtle Beach |
| 22:40.30 | mheath | When our group went up there, the genius in charge made a reservation at a hotel that wouldn't let us check in because we all under _21_. |
| 22:40.43 | mheath | We finally found a hotel that let us stay, but their policy was _18_ or older |
| 22:41.01 | tensai | sjansen: you travel a lot. what say ye? do you get asked for your driver's license? |
| 22:41.43 | sjansen | Rarely. I usually only have to present my license to get a rental. But I don't look anything close to 18. |
| 22:42.35 | sjansen | It wouldn't surprise me to find out that many areas have laws requiring hotels to protect the morals of youth. |
| 22:42.57 | sjansen | Not to mention liability concerns. |
| 22:44.48 | sjansen | tensai: mheath could probably find hotels willing to let him stay, but they probably won't be the type of place he'd want to stay |
| 22:49.52 | tensai | I do recall staying in hotels years ago when I looked barely 16, if anything. what I don't recall is whether they asked for a DL. |
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| 23:18.57 | Lone_Wanderer | If I take CS at the U, will they make me learn Java? |
| 23:19.58 | elg | you could do worse things than learn java |
| 23:21.24 | beandog | that's true. |
| 23:21.31 | elg | if only that it's easier to bash it when you know it well |
| 23:22.02 | elg | if they make you program in the J2EE style, that's something else |
| 23:26.16 | Lone_Wanderer | So, yes? |
| 23:27.01 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't want to learn Java in college. |
| 23:27.19 | Lone_Wanderer | If I'm going to major in CS I want to learn hardcore C. I want to have final projects in things like writing drivers. |
| 23:27.51 | lukfugl | Lone_Wanderer: take EE with the software emphasis |
| 23:28.18 | mheath | There too expensive, though. I wish I could get a used one or something.... |
| 23:29.04 | mheath | I really have no interest in owning an Ipod, per se. Any old MP3 player would do. Except, I made the mistake of making heavy use of the Itunes Music Store on my computer. |
| 23:29.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, then you got what you deserve ;) |
| 23:32.11 | mheath | http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?nplm=FA477LL%2FA |
| 23:32.12 | mheath | Hmm. |
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| 23:35.52 | Lone_Wanderer | What does an EE major consist of? |
| 23:36.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Do you just study circuits and processors and things? |
| 23:36.15 | Lone_Wanderer | Forgive my blasphemy, but that doesn't sound terribly sexy. |
| 23:37.19 | tensai | mheath: you should rent Planes Trains and Automobiles |
| 23:56.20 | maquis | wow... that was short study/watch |
| 23:57.53 | vontrapp | mheath: are you interested in mechanical and sharp things? |