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| 01:59.36 | levi_home | Good evening. |
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| 04:32.52 | nick125_lappy | goog-411 is cool |
| 04:33.11 | nick125_lappy | It's way cooler then free411 and without the ads! |
| 04:48.19 | levi_home | goog-411? |
| 04:49.52 | nick125_lappy | http://labs.google.com/goog411/ |
| 04:49.52 | brac | [Google Voice Local Search] |
| 04:50.43 | levi_home | Interesting. |
| 04:52.18 | nick125_lappy | I tried it a few times, and it seemed to work pretty well |
| 04:52.28 | nick125_lappy | One feature I liked was the ability to connect the call for free |
| 04:53.05 | AvawnCro | they connect the call for free so that they can record it |
| 04:54.14 | AvawnCro | they convert the audio to text for later use in targeted avertising |
| 04:54.31 | AvawnCro | why do you think they require a cell phone to subscribe to gmail? |
| 04:54.44 | nick125_lappy | AvawnCro: That idea sounds like something that Sargun would come up with |
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| 05:03.52 | AvawnCro | from their privacy page, "We may use this phone number to distinguish you from other users, and ultimately, to personalize the service to you." |
| 05:04.26 | levi_home | Sounds downright sinister! |
| 05:06.06 | AvawnCro | how many times have we heard the 'personalize' euphemism before |
| 05:07.51 | levi_home | Yeah, it sucks that google maps remembers what I've searched for in the past. It would suck even more if it learned what was most relevant to me from experience. |
| 05:09.20 | nick125_lappy | Hmm, for some reason, e164.org can't connect to my SIP server |
| 05:17.21 | AvawnCro | Yeah, massive databases of search queries can be very helpful. http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/08/06/aol-proudly-releases-massive-amounts-of-user-search-data/ |
| 05:17.25 | brac | [AOL Proudly Releases Massive Amounts of Private Data] |
| 05:18.49 | levi_home | Google is the least of my worries in the massive database of information category. |
| 05:22.52 | AvawnCro | Considering what Google did to keep China as a customer, don't you think they are in bed with the internal covert information agencies within this country too? |
| 05:23.43 | levi_home | Yes, but probably less so than the companies with other, more dangerous massive databases. |
| 05:25.19 | AvawnCro | Within 10 years, those will be dwarfed by google. Google will have your local data indexed (desktop search), voice calls, email, calendar, probably even gps tracking of your cell phone under the guise of 'improved google maps' personalization |
| 05:25.55 | levi_home | You are a paranoid conspiracy theory nutcase. |
| 05:26.15 | levi_home | Have fun with your delusions, but please don't bother me with them. |
| 05:26.47 | AvawnCro | "So this is how libery dies.. with thunderous applause." |
| 05:27.01 | AvawnCro | google fanbois can clap now |
| 05:27.45 | levi_home | Ooh, a quote! You've changed my mind! I will live in fear of google now! |
| 05:29.40 | levi_home | I am certainly not a 'fanboi' of google. I just have a sense of perspective. |
| 05:34.51 | levi_home | In other news... I've found an interesting paper that describes quantum computing and Shor's algorithm in a fairly approachable manner. |
| 05:35.02 | levi_home | http://alumni.imsa.edu/~matth/quant/299/paper.pdf |
| 05:36.50 | levi_home | Now there's a real potential threat to electronic privacy! |
| 05:38.02 | levi_home | At least until someone devises something roughly analogous to our current public key encryption algorithms that doesn't depend on the intractability of factoring large numbers. |
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| 05:40.26 | AvawnCro | that will happen, oh, just about never.. |
| 05:40.44 | AvawnCro | since a solution to one np problem can be mapped to another |
| 05:41.25 | levi_home | You need to read up on complexity classes and the capabilities of quantum computers. |
| 05:41.53 | levi_home | The NP-complete problems can be mapped to one another, not NP in general. |
| 05:43.04 | levi_home | Some NP problems have solutions in P as well. |
| 05:45.25 | AvawnCro | if we reach the point of quantum computers factoring large numbers in reasonable time, all "classic" forms of encryption will likely be broken and we would need to move to quantum cryptogrophy based on entanglement or some other approach. And that will be out of reach of consumers for a very long time. |
| 05:45.26 | levi_home | Only certain exponential problems can be solved in polynomial time on quantum computers. None of them are NP-complete. |
| 05:47.01 | levi_home | AvawnCro: Most "classic" forms of encryption do not rely on factorization, in fact. It's just that public-key encryption is very widely used today. |
| 05:48.05 | levi_home | But don't let facts get in the way of your paranoia! |
| 05:48.21 | AvawnCro | the nsa already had a 1024quibit based quantum computer |
| 05:48.39 | levi_home | Oh, do they? |
| 05:48.56 | AvawnCro | yes |
| 05:49.16 | levi_home | Could you point me at an article about it? I'd like to read about it. |
| 05:54.22 | levi_home | Are you having trouble finding one? |
| 05:54.23 | AvawnCro | I tried finding it. I read a credible link in usenet a few years back, but it appears that google has purged it from groups.google.com. |
| 05:55.22 | levi_home | A credible link on usenet, eh? Well, given what you've said in our conversation so far, I don't think we have the same definition of 'credible'. |
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| 05:57.04 | AvawnCro | this is close: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.crypt/browse_thread/thread/23f586d83ab38bf5/a95741cb88a94e57?lnk=st&q=nsa+quantum+computer+conspiracy&rnum=1&hl=en#a95741cb88a94e57 |
| 05:57.04 | levi_home | I've no doubt the NSA is interested in having such a computer, but a working 1024 qubit quantum computer (several years ago, to boot) is a bit far-fetched, to say the least. |
| 06:01.14 | levi_home | And that post is typical conspiracy theory garbage. |
| 06:11.02 | levi_home | This is an excellent explanation of Shor's algorithm, too: http://scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=208 |
| 06:11.33 | levi_home | And also explains why quantum computing is not a magic bullet for solving difficult problems, and what kind of difficult problems it is good for. |
| 06:13.54 | levi_home | That being said, quantum computers have a larger set of tractable problems (QP) than the set of problems that are tractable on classical computers (P). |
| 06:14.31 | levi_home | I.e., P is a subset of QP. |
| 06:21.36 | levi_home | If you read the comments on that blog post, you'll see that Peter Shor himself participates on the blog. Pretty cool. :) |
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| 06:47.25 | levi_home | Apparently the NTRU public key cryptosystem is believed to not be vulnerable to quantum computing. |
| 06:47.44 | levi_home | It's patented, though. |
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| 16:14.11 | bonez39 | I have TWO .pdf documents...provider contracts...the older one is a bit larger in size, but has less pages, than the new smaller version...is there any program that would compare the text in both documents and then highlight the differences..and allow me to step through and review the changes? |
| 16:17.39 | bonez39 | here's my other question... I have three memory slots in my linux box...one slot has 256M module, the next has 128 M module and the third's label shows 128x2... |
| 16:17.55 | bonez39 | memory showing at boot up is 294912k..... |
| 16:18.01 | brac | memory showing at boot up took minutes. |
| 16:18.02 | bonez39 | am I using all my ram? |
| 17:39.53 | bonez39 | anyone around today? |
| 17:40.12 | bonez39 | I am trying to redirect some help files to my printer...anyone know how I can do this? |
| 17:42.47 | AvawnCro | copy file.txt lpt1: |
| 17:53.24 | bonez39 | AvawnCro, ok, I figured out how to send to the default printer... |
| 17:54.03 | bonez39 | AvawnCro, here's my dilemma though..the default is a networked laser jet attached to a window box... if I run diff --help | lp or lpr it all goes to that printer... |
| 17:54.33 | bonez39 | I have a local desk jet .. connected to my linux box via parallel cable...I want to print stuff like this to the deskjet instead...not sure what to call it though... |
| 17:54.37 | brac | I have is pretty good support |
| 17:54.49 | bonez39 | the name to my system is 'deskjet' |
| 17:55.16 | bonez39 | AvawnCro, but diff --help | deskjet returns error bash: deskjet: command not found |
| 17:58.16 | AvawnCro | lp is a program, not a printer.. you are going to need to do somethign like 'diff --help | lp -d deskjet' |
| 17:58.22 | AvawnCro | do 'man lp' |
| 17:59.57 | bonez39 | ah....ok.... |
| 18:00.33 | AvawnCro | of course, it doesn't help that the default printer is also called lp |
| 18:00.40 | bonez39 | that did the trick...... |
| 18:00.44 | AvawnCro | unix is stupid |
| 18:01.06 | bonez39 | well, diff --help | lp -d deskjet routed it right to the printer here..instead of the laser jet |
| 18:01.49 | bonez39 | did you see my other question? about comparing two files? |
| 18:02.26 | AvawnCro | diff will not compare pdfs |
| 18:04.35 | bonez39 | oh, i have run them through pdftotext..I have two raw text files now.... |
| 18:05.06 | bonez39 | I ran diff on them, with -y option..it shows the files side by side, but it truncates the right side...not sure how to get it word wrap ... to assure all text is there |
| 18:05.43 | Tene | bonez39: if you're comfortable with vim, you can use vimdiff |
| 18:06.55 | bonez39 | I love vim... |
| 18:08.04 | Tene | Then vimdiff is your friend. :) |
| 18:08.08 | Tene | vimdiff file1 file2 |
| 18:08.55 | bonez39 | ok....that's colorful....now i just need to figure out what all the colors mean...so I can where the differences lie |
| 18:09.21 | Tene | When there are bright colors, it means the two files differ there. |
| 18:09.27 | bonez39 | ok... |
| 18:12.06 | bonez39 | Tene, to my other question...about memory... |
| 18:12.09 | Tene | Or, if they're more your style, ask your package manager about "diff". |
| 18:12.10 | bonez39 | did you see it? |
| 18:12.19 | Tene | There are several apps with names like "kdiff" and such |
| 18:12.33 | Tene | I saw it. I have no idea what the answer is. |
| 18:19.30 | bonez39 | ok......I guess I should get memory that is all the same size......what's weird though, is I get the same size reading, now matter in which slot each module is installed |
| 18:40.16 | bonez39 | Tene, vimdiff is great...I am glad you pointed it out to me |
| 18:40.23 | Tene | :D |
| 18:48.23 | Tene | hmm... this is interesting... |
| 18:49.01 | Tene | my laptop is completely locked up with millions of selinux deny messages |
| 18:49.22 | mheath | Tene, I've had that happen before. |
| 18:50.16 | Tene | looks like over 10M so far, judging by the counter. |
| 18:50.40 | Tene | inotify/bluetooth related |
| 18:50.55 | Tene | no bt hardware, though |
| 18:51.32 | mheath | Yah. Got two good books, and a new O'Reilly book |
| 18:51.37 | mheath | on JSP |
| 18:52.22 | Tene | :D |
| 18:53.35 | Tene | don't want to reboot, as I'm in the middle of an update. |
| 18:54.08 | Tene | just installed this system. it's too early to screw up the package database |
| 19:06.04 | bonez39 | mheath, O'Reilly are all good..I love everyone of theirs I have.... |
| 19:06.31 | mheath | bonez39, indeed. Whenever I'm looking for a book in a particular category, I'm always checking out the O'Reilly books first. |
| 19:06.38 | mheath | They have good books, and they are a very good company. |
| 19:13.41 | atoponce | java and cobol are both languages that need to die |
| 19:13.53 | atoponce | the only thing good that came out of java was jython |
| 19:14.36 | atoponce | as far as cobol, well, heh. there are just better tools for the job |
| 19:15.39 | atoponce | but hey, java is going gpl, so maybe there is a bright future for it after all |
| 19:15.56 | Tene | atoponce: what's good about jython? |
| 19:16.51 | atoponce | python programming |
| 19:16.54 | atoponce | :D |
| 19:18.39 | Tene | That is to say, is it a particularly good pythonn environment, or are you just saying that it's good because it's associated with python? |
| 19:19.58 | atoponce | well, it's nice that it has access to the java classes and libraries, and you can compile python code to java bytecode |
| 19:20.42 | atoponce | so essentially, imo, it's a better langugage to code in, if you want to take advantage of the jvm |
| 19:22.39 | atoponce | but, it's the jvm that keeps me from using the language, and it was my 1st language that i learned |
| 19:23.14 | mheath | Cobol was an unpopular, unsuccessful, rediculously complicated and lacking language that was invented decades ago and never became popular. |
| 19:23.32 | mheath | Java is an extremely powerful, modern, popular enterprise framework |
| 19:23.38 | mheath | The two should not be grouped together. |
| 19:46.44 | nick125_lappy | Anyone here know how to "check" a PSU without one of those expensive ATX PSU Checking devices? |
| 19:48.48 | Tene | nick125_lappy: I've seen ATX PSU checking devices for, like, $10 |
| 19:49.32 | nick125_lappy | Tene: The only place in town that has one is compusa and they want $50 for one |
| 19:49.36 | Tene | huh. |
| 19:49.44 | Tene | Maybe I'm misremembering the price. |
| 19:52.37 | nick125_lappy | I really wish I could find my digital one |
| 20:25.14 | nick125_lappy | Hmm |
| 20:25.20 | nick125_lappy | I think the PSU in this box is good |
| 20:25.55 | nick125_lappy | Tried it with the purple / black wires, and I got a good 5V |
| 20:26.42 | nick125_lappy | I tried it with PS_On + Ground, and I got a good 5V as well, but, when I pressed the power button, it didn't go to 0V like it should |
| 20:58.20 | mheath | Multimeter can not test a PSU. |
| 20:58.35 | mheath | *can not completely test a PSU |
| 21:08.45 | nick125_lappy | I just needed to test the PSU to see if its delivering power |
| 21:20.12 | nick125_lappy | Ugh, either the CPU or the mobo is bad |
| 21:37.48 | mheath | nick125_lappy, the PSU is carefully tuned. |
| 21:37.56 | mheath | You can have correct voltages, but incorrect operation |
| 21:38.09 | mheath | Just because the multimeter reflected a correct voltage, doesn't mean the thing is working correctly. |
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| 21:39.54 | elg | tensai: how's your project coming? |
| 21:55.02 | mheath | I'm not sure I like Amazon's One Click |
| 21:55.06 | mheath | I've never used it before tdoay |
| 21:55.17 | mheath | and it kinda surprised me that it is indeed really just one click |
| 21:55.38 | mheath | kinda scary that I could potentially misclick on a page and order something expensive |
| 21:59.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I accidently did that |
| 22:00.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Threw probably $500 of music in my cart just to see how much it would be |
| 22:00.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Pushed the wrong button |
| 22:01.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Luckily, they charge it much slower than one click. |
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| 22:31.27 | mheath | I have decided that Disney's The Chronicles of Narnia is a horrible movie. |
| 22:31.33 | mheath | Ugh. |
| 22:35.09 | mheath | An atrocity of a movie. |
| 22:37.41 | mheath | What are peoples experiences with JSP versus other website scripting languages? |
| 22:39.18 | mheath | ~praise O'Reilly |
| 22:39.24 | ibot | All hail O'Reilly! |
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| 22:39.43 | mheath | I love a book that says anything like "......is a regular text editor, such as Notepad, vi, or Emacs" |
| 22:40.22 | dilvie | What do you guys think of this photo? |
| 22:40.23 | dilvie | http://www.flickr.com/photos/dilvie/449937019/ |
| 22:40.48 | dilvie | I use vi frequently. |
| 22:42.06 | mheath | dilvie, very nice. No backlighting? |
| 22:42.22 | mheath | You just say you used some light bounced off an umbrella to camera right. |
| 22:44.06 | dilvie | the speedlight was set a bit behind her. =) |
| 22:44.28 | dilvie | it reflected off 2 white walls and a ceiling, which provided the nice soft fill |
| 22:45.20 | mheath | Sigh. All this makes me wish I could get a job in photography. I love beautifully composed pictures like this - you did an amazing job. |
| 22:46.04 | dilvie | Thanks. |
| 22:46.13 | dilvie | I work really hard. |
| 22:46.14 | mheath | I would say though that (probably do to the softening later), her far right side (the bottom right of the picture, really) does look a bit unrealistically light. |
| 22:46.27 | dilvie | There's a ton of competition, and half of them are better than me. =) |
| 22:46.46 | mheath | dilvie, Is this your job? |
| 22:46.55 | dilvie | that's due to the intentional over-exposuer |
| 22:47.07 | dilvie | yes |
| 22:47.27 | mheath | How are you liking your Nikon? |
| 22:48.03 | mheath | Only film SLR Nikons (though my point and shoot is a Nikon Coolpix; but point-and-shoots can be considered to be any reflection of their professional equivelents) |
| 22:49.01 | dilvie | Loving the D80. |
| 22:49.03 | dilvie | It's great. |
| 22:49.16 | mheath | I just got my SLR out here. It's not digital. |
| 22:49.22 | brac | I just like disney and copyright... |
| 22:49.31 | dilvie | The Canon's handle high ISO better, but I love the feel and interface of the Nikon. |
| 22:49.35 | mheath | I've never really taken to digital for anything except simple point-and-shoot things. |
| 22:49.53 | mheath | dilvie, I'll agree with that. Canon's do an excellent job in low-light conditions, due to that. |
| 22:49.55 | dilvie | It's like an extension of me.. I don't think about the gear... I just look at the scene and take the photo I want. |
| 22:50.12 | mheath | I got a chance to work with a nice Canon SLR in highschool, working on yearbook staff |
| 22:50.31 | mheath | Lots of dark, dark stuff.....Plays, nighttime football games, etc. |
| 22:50.34 | dilvie | Wow, you must be a young guy. |
| 22:50.43 | mheath | dilvie, Heh, indeed. |
| 22:51.20 | dilvie | When I was in highschool, there were no digital SLRs in common use. =) |
| 22:51.30 | mheath | I loved photograph, though. I had a good teacher......he was very good, and had been involved in the photography industry for a very, very long time. (He operated the first place in Ogden that had 1 day photo development!) |
| 22:51.44 | mheath | But unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to pursue that interest much more. |
| 22:52.20 | dilvie | I forgot all about photography for a long time |
| 22:52.28 | dilvie | it was just a minor side-hobby for me for years |
| 22:52.33 | dilvie | but I got a dSLR |
| 22:52.52 | dilvie | even before I got it, I was getting paying photo gigs |
| 22:53.05 | dilvie | the day I got my dSLR, I dropped everything else and started shooting full-time |
| 22:53.28 | mheath | And thats worked out successfully for you? |
| 22:53.31 | dilvie | one of my better choices in life. |
| 22:53.34 | dilvie | yeah. |
| 22:53.41 | mheath | I know photography can pay very, very well if you're successful at it. |
| 22:53.42 | dilvie | I'm much better off financially than I was a few months ago. |
| 22:54.16 | dilvie | People seem to like my photographs. |
| 22:54.22 | dilvie | Like I say, it's very competitive |
| 22:54.22 | mheath | I know I do. |
| 22:54.27 | dilvie | lots of other shooters out there |
| 22:54.31 | brac | lots of places refuse to agree with would never use anything you start saluting officers all the time. |
| 22:54.34 | dilvie | you have to be really good, and work really hard. |
| 22:55.17 | mheath | I never got enough practice in highschool..But I still feel my pictures stood out |
| 22:55.22 | dilvie | I'm not a fan of the dining experience at Ruby River |
| 22:55.26 | dilvie | but the food is great. |
| 22:55.44 | mheath | dilvie, heh, that was a big jump in topic :) |
| 22:55.49 | mheath | Never eaten there |
| 22:56.27 | mheath | I ate at a Japanese hibachi style restraunt last night |
| 22:56.30 | elg | you'd think home depot would have bricks |
| 22:56.32 | mheath | It was the exact opposite |
| 22:56.57 | mheath | The dining experience tehre was very fun, entertaining, and exciting. |
| 22:57.02 | mheath | Though the food wasn't much to speak of |
| 22:57.25 | mheath | (I went all out and got expensive food there; lobster, shrimp, filet mignon) |
| 22:57.46 | mheath | And while not realy bad/horrible, it was probably the worst cooked jumbo shrimp or lobster I'd ever had. |
| 22:58.03 | mheath | though the experience of having it cooked (and having the cookign itself be a show) right infront of me, more than made up for that :) |
| 22:58.53 | mheath | dilvie, what makes you choose digital over film? Overall flexibility of the camera? |
| 23:00.35 | dilvie | mheath: Quality. |
| 23:00.46 | mheath | Quality? How so? |
| 23:01.25 | dilvie | To get the equivalent of the D80 quality out of a film camera, you'd have to shoot medium format and get prints scanned for 300/scan on a top-of-the-line drum scanner. |
| 23:02.18 | mheath | Ah, your just talking DPI |
| 23:02.27 | dilvie | no |
| 23:02.59 | dilvie | I'm talking about resolution/detail, dynamic range, and color. |
| 23:03.19 | mheath | dilvie, on a film camera, all of that varies wildly based on the type of film your using. |
| 23:03.35 | dilvie | understood, I'm talking about the best film money can buy |
| 23:03.40 | dilvie | the best scans money can buy |
| 23:03.44 | dilvie | top of the line glass |
| 23:04.00 | dilvie | film doesn't compare anymore |
| 23:04.14 | dilvie | a few years ago, film was the clear winner in quality, hands down |
| 23:04.16 | dilvie | not anymore. |
| 23:04.46 | dilvie | to compete with digital in analog land, you have to use very expensive large format gear, and have an amazing printer process the photos |
| 23:05.58 | dilvie | in my experience, pro shooters who are not using digital today are making that choice for one of two reasons: 1) ignorrance / resistance to change, or 2) they're intentionally going for lower quality / artifacts created by the film process |
| 23:07.26 | mheath | I have never had access to equipment as new / really as nice as your Nikon, but my experiences with film cameras in comparison to digital were always that the right film, used correctly, could still often beat digital |
| 23:07.57 | mheath | And I'm not saying thats comparison of total potential-for-quality of each, more my ability to take pictures with each. |
| 23:08.03 | mheath | I often got pictures I liked more shooting film. |
| 23:28.08 | dilvie | Well, that just tells me you're not a digital shooter using the standard current line-up stuff. |
| 23:28.33 | dilvie | in terms of raw technical potential, digital is kicking film all over |
| 23:28.52 | elg | sounds like the same thing that already happened in audio |
| 23:29.33 | dilvie | elg: basically. |
| 23:30.31 | dilvie | elg: there are still stubborn audio oldskoolers recording noisy signals on 2" tape |
| 23:31.24 | dilvie | film is still good.. 2" is still good, but digital is capable of more detail and precision, hands down. |
| 23:31.26 | dilvie | no contest. |