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| 00:04.06 | atoponce | ~onjoin fiftyfour123 fiftyfour123: sure, stay longer than 4 minutes, and i'm glad someone would love to help you |
| 00:04.06 | ibot | ok, atoponce |
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| 00:10.41 | vontrapp | w00t, planet earth special on caves finished downloading! |
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| 00:56.00 | nick125_lappy | Ugh, I really dislike the way that PHP is designed. It has too much crap built into it (such as database, XML, and a bunch of other stuff that would be much better off as modules) |
| 00:56.50 | jsmith | They are modules |
| 00:57.24 | jsmith | They dont have seperate namespaces, but they are modules |
| 00:57.30 | nick125_lappy | But they are still part of php |
| 01:01.49 | mheath | :( |
| 01:03.21 | jsmith | nick125_lappy: Well, only if you install those modules. Most linux distributions build them as seperate packages. |
| 01:03.45 | jsmith | nick125_lappy: For example, on RHEL there's php, php-cli, php-mysql, php-pgsql, php-SOAP, etc. |
| 01:04.05 | jsmith | nick125_lappy: And they all provide different .so files, which are loaded by the PHP core |
| 01:26.59 | mheath | Found out there is indeed a good chance I'll be kicked out of the military, again. |
| 01:27.15 | mheath | Said that if I didn't respond to physical therapy very well (and I probably won't), I will be. |
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| 01:57.54 | jsmith | OK, who's the Ubuntu expert in here? |
| 01:58.17 | jsmith | I seem to get different answers to "what's the best way to hardcode some static routes in Ubuntu" question. |
| 02:01.03 | dilvie | that would not be me |
| 02:02.37 | dilvie | MySpace has been very useful to me lately, but if I get one more friend request from a free iPod spammer, I'm gonna drop kick it. |
| 02:04.32 | nick125_lappy | Put the video of you drop kicking it on youtube! |
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| 02:12.40 | nick125_lappy | Anyone here use ASSP? |
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| 02:56.07 | levi_home | Good evening. |
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| 03:05.42 | elg | levi_home: yeah, I looked at Hans. that was creepy too |
| 03:07.51 | elg | funny how just about every name "can frustrate x, y, and z if not balanced with last name" |
| 03:07.59 | elg | obviously they want you to buy their full name reports |
| 03:09.06 | levi_home | Yeah. |
| 03:09.27 | levi_home | Mine was also creepy, but after looking at a few, there seemed to be a bit of similarity between them all. :) |
| 03:11.08 | levi_home | Now I have to write a 3-5 page outline for my interpersonal communications class. |
| 03:11.24 | levi_home | Fortunately, it is about something that's at least a little bit interesting. |
| 03:11.31 | levi_home | Disinhibition on the Internet. |
| 03:11.34 | levi_home | :) |
| 03:16.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm looking for an e-mail "solution" that will handle multiple domains ("virtual" users) and IMAP + SSL |
| 03:16.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Any suggestions as to the components/packages to the above? |
| 03:17.01 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 03:23.22 | nick125_lappy | ScytheBlade1: I usually like postfix/courier/mysql |
| 03:24.54 | ScytheBlade1 | nick125_lappy, know of any good HOWTOs on the matter? |
| 03:25.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Hopefully ones that explain everything twice over in disturbing amounts of detail. HOWTOs that go "copy+paste this and go" get me nowhere. |
| 03:26.01 | nick125_lappy | I used a mix-mash of HOWTOs |
| 03:26.10 | nick125_lappy | Let me see if I can find some of them |
| 03:26.12 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/virt-mail-howto.xml <-- what I'm reading now |
| 03:26.52 | nick125_lappy | I used parts of http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Email:_A_Complete_Virtual_System and http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_a_Virtual_Postfix |
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| 03:27.32 | ScytheBlade1 | That second link doesn't exist |
| 03:27.35 | nick125_lappy | I'm having a heck of a time mailing to this stupid exchange server (I'm pretty sure its exchange) |
| 03:27.41 | nick125_lappy | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_a_Virtual_Postfix/Courier_Mail_System_with_PostfixAdmin |
| 03:30.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Looks like I've got a bit of reading to do :) |
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| 05:21.30 | levi_home | Heh, awesome, an old friend of mine did some animation work for Disney in some recent movies. |
| 05:23.06 | levi_home | http://www.kenhuling.com/index.html |
| 05:23.07 | brac | [Ken Huling] |
| 05:24.30 | levi_home | His mom was my den leader in Cub Scouts. Our families remained good friends since then, despite all sorts of Army-related moves. He ended up as a mission companion, too. |
| 05:37.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Single most useful tool in debugging a mail server: strace. |
| 05:46.50 | levi_home | It's a useful tool for debugging just about anything that makes a lot of system calls. |
| 05:47.32 | ScytheBlade1 | No kidding |
| 05:47.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I've decided that documentation for this sucks, but by tweaking random config files and rows in the database, and watching what changes in strace |
| 05:48.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I can actually understand what's going on :P |
| 05:48.16 | ScytheBlade1 | [pid 1061] chdir(".maildir") = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 05:48.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Doesn't get much more clear than that, and if I scroll up, I get the context |
| 05:49.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, now to figure out why postfix is retarded, and not spawning the maildirs by default |
| 05:51.30 | Tene | ~launch levi_home |
| 05:51.33 | ibot | ACTION straps levi_home to an ACME rocket, lights the fuse and ducks behind a rock |
| 06:30.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Well check that out, I have a functional mail server. |
| 06:30.26 | Tene | sweet |
| 06:31.59 | ScytheBlade1 | ARGH, AND APPARENTLY FUNCTIONAL LOCAL MAIL DELIVERY |
| 06:32.08 | ScytheBlade1 | "[Boredom] Please moderate:" * about a BILLION |
| 06:32.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Already up to 218 spam comments : |
| 06:32.20 | ScytheBlade1 | * :/ |
| 06:46.38 | nick125_lappy | It wants fltk 1.0.11 |
| 06:47.26 | nick125_lappy | ... |
| 07:53.09 | nick125_lappy | whoever came up with the palmos API deserves to get shot |
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| 09:22.30 | graphyx | what are you doing up at this hour? |
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| 13:45.42 | elg | levi_home: I thought you said "despite all sorts of army related movies" |
| 14:07.11 | elg | -seen amcnabb |
| 14:07.11 | brac | amcnabb was last seen 7 hours, 44 minutes and 42 seconds ago, quitting IRC ("leaving") |
| 14:10.33 | emcnabb | elg: amcnabb isn't much of a chatter |
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| 14:26.05 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 14:26.20 | elg | er, I mean, thanks emcnabb ;-) |
| 14:45.56 | graphyx | elg: did you associate much with david wingate? |
| 15:06.50 | levi_home | Man, I don't want to work on this homework, but it's due today. |
| 15:28.09 | emcnabb | graphyx: I knew him |
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| 15:39.34 | tensai | whew. that was fun. rewired the house, crashed the server, and rebuilt the server |
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| 16:29.18 | nick125_lappy | Flight #293 is ready for take off *turns on his 360* |
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| 17:10.15 | elg | graphyx: we grew up in the same stake |
| 17:10.31 | elg | we know eachother but I didn't really get the chance to hang out with him much |
| 17:14.01 | elg | woohoo, got me some herbs from the nursery |
| 17:18.21 | tensai | elg: what herbs? |
| 17:20.36 | elg | thyme, oregano, chives, cilantro, rosemary |
| 17:20.53 | elg | and seeds for basil and sage (the nursery didn't have either as plants) |
| 17:21.05 | elg | plus 4 big jim pepper plants |
| 17:21.10 | elg | and my wife got a tomato plant |
| 17:31.59 | elg | (big jim pepper IS_A new mexico green chile) |
| 17:33.27 | levi_home | Mmm, herbs. :) |
| 17:33.46 | levi_home | Growing your own herbs is the only way to go. Buying fresh herbs is ridiculously expensive. |
| 17:34.10 | levi_home | Having no land makes that difficult, though. |
| 17:34.36 | levi_home | We've had mixed success with our herb cultivation on our condo porch. |
| 17:34.56 | elg | is it sunny? |
| 17:40.20 | levi_home | Not very. We've got an overhanging roof that mostly shades it, except for a few hours. |
| 17:41.01 | levi_home | That's generally a good quality for a porch, but not when you want to grow stuff on it that likes the sun. :) |
| 17:41.59 | elg | ya :). is there maybe a way to hang something out where it can get more sun? |
| 17:45.02 | levi_home | We tried that, but didn't have much success there either. |
| 17:45.28 | levi_home | Fortunately, my father in law loves to garden. He grows a huge load of tomatoes every year. |
| 17:46.16 | levi_home | Maybe we can get him to grow some more herbs. :) |
| 17:46.51 | levi_home | Hmm, my daughter is busily taking CDs out of my CD tower. |
| 17:49.06 | bonez39 | is conference streaming yet..or does that take a few days before that's available? |
| 17:51.14 | brailsmt | too early to plant here in missouri |
| 17:51.49 | brailsmt | its all soil prep until mid-april |
| 17:52.20 | elg | streaming now |
| 17:52.25 | brailsmt | like a true CS-weenie, my garden size is a power of 2 |
| 17:52.29 | brailsmt | 256 sqft |
| 17:52.30 | brailsmt | :) |
| 17:52.33 | elg | no video for linux, but you can get audio |
| 17:53.04 | elg | mplayer -playlist <the link on lds.org for audio> |
| 17:53.29 | elg | brailsmt: it's almost too late to plant stuff here |
| 17:54.01 | brailsmt | the first year in this house, we planted April 10th, and it frosted a week later, we had to replant |
| 17:54.07 | brac | the first 5 characters of it so it can do |
| 17:54.22 | brailsmt | then last year we had no rain |
| 17:54.29 | brailsmt | we hope for better luck this year... |
| 17:54.50 | brailsmt | the peppers did just fine last year, the tomatoes didn't... |
| 17:55.11 | brailsmt | and we watered every day *sigh* |
| 17:55.12 | brailsmt | anyway |
| 17:56.55 | brailsmt | we'll be planting 8-10 tomato plants, green peppers, jalapenos, habaneros, garlic, onions (salsa!), and herbs our basil last year outgrew our ability to use it... |
| 17:58.55 | brailsmt | then it outgrew the tomatoes |
| 18:04.01 | elg | better too much than not enought |
| 19:00.51 | brailsmt | it gets bitter though if not aggressively cut back in the mid season |
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| 20:17.56 | tensai | brailsmt: pick the basil, trim off the stems and then freeze |
| 20:32.57 | tensai | elg: if I planted anything now it would be doomed to die. average last frost is may 22. |
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| 20:43.48 | elg | tensai: if I waited until may 22 the poor seedlings would have about as much chance growing in my oven |
| 20:45.50 | tensai | it's not uncommon to get snow in may or june |
| 20:46.00 | tensai | great for potatoes, not so much for peppers |
| 20:58.20 | levi_home | Man, I wish I was camping right now. |
| 20:58.59 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.26 | elg | Hate to break it to ya, /., but the reason blackboard is broken on vista is that blackboard is a steaming pile of rotten potatoes |
| 20:59.44 | elg | it's probably broken because IE7 is more standards compliant |
| 21:00.24 | levi_home | Heh. |
| 21:00.47 | levi_home | Yeah, blaming Blackboard problems on anyone but Blackboard is probably misplacing the blame. |
| 21:12.27 | atoponce | how does ejabberd store it's roster, and vcard, and all that fun stuff? |
| 21:13.03 | atoponce | i don't see that it stores it in a mysqldb... |
| 21:15.29 | elg | probably in erlang's own db thing |
| 21:15.43 | elg | I think it's called Mnesia |
| 21:15.56 | elg | think sqlite but erlang-specific |
| 21:16.07 | elg | actually, no, think bdb but erlang-specific |
| 21:16.11 | elg | it's not SQL based iirc |
| 21:17.15 | atoponce | hmm |
| 21:19.31 | atoponce | ooh. sweet. it does have mysql support |
| 21:41.51 | levi_home | Mnesia was designed to be memory-resident rather than reading from the disk. And it's a distributed database, too. |
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