| 00:00.08 | mheath_ | Probably still not even realistic |
| 00:00.09 | mrpull- | mheath_: 3.9 MPH |
| 00:00.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Find out. Go from point A to point B, just use the latitude and longitude |
| 00:00.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Then divide the listed distance by the time, tada |
| 00:01.07 | mheath_ | TheSiege, uh, just so you know (in case your busy typing a really long, complicated question).. |
| 00:01.44 | TheSiege | yes? |
| 00:01.51 | mheath_ | I'm partially into training to be an electrician to maintain a nuclear reactor. Most of what I've done so far is all electrical theory based. I don't have any experience to work with if you're about to ask a question about your car audio or home lighting :P |
| 00:02.08 | mheath_ | I will do my best to help, though. |
| 00:02.45 | TheSiege | i did pm you, but i was just wondering if you were doing an apprenticeship program |
| 00:03.03 | mheath_ | Hmm. Didn't show up. |
| 00:03.35 | mheath | TheSiege, no, training to be a Nuclear Trained Electrician's Mate in the USN. |
| 00:03.43 | TheSiege | ok cool enough |
| 00:05.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Eh, 4.97MPH it seems, swimming that distance |
| 00:05.30 | mheath | Better take a boat. |
| 00:05.44 | ScytheBlade1 | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&saddr=42.360003,-71.048412&daddr=Bindlacher+Berg+Bindlach,+Bayreuth,+Bavaria,+Germany&layer=&ie=UTF8&sll=42.360003,-71.048412&sspn=0.005399,0.014334&z=17&ll=49.484465,0.116622&spn=0.004747,0.014334&om=1 |
| 00:05.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, wrong lin |
| 00:05.58 | ScytheBlade1 | k |
| 00:06.17 | mheath | heh |
| 00:06.19 | ScytheBlade1 | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&saddr=42.360003,-71.048412&daddr=49.484465,0.116622 |
| 00:06.20 | ScytheBlade1 | There we are |
| 00:06.28 | mheath | funny, though. They're accurate. Even have you swimming up to a nice pier. |
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| 02:39.44 | levi_home | Good evening. |
| 02:39.51 | graphyx | hey |
| 02:42.08 | levi_home | Wassup? |
| 02:42.27 | Tene | ~launch levi_home |
| 02:42.28 | ibot | ACTION straps levi_home to an ACME rocket, lights the fuse and ducks behind a rock |
| 02:42.39 | Tene | You, perhaps? |
| 02:45.08 | graphyx | Just working on hacking a clients website |
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| 02:55.01 | levi_home | Clearly I'm up, but that's not a very interesting fact to me. |
| 02:59.04 | graphyx | wow, talk about fresh teritory |
| 02:59.30 | graphyx | I found a trivial xss flaw in an application and there isn't anyone else listing anything about it. |
| 02:59.45 | graphyx | I guess I have found the next area I will be hammering on. |
| 02:59.56 | Tene | graphyx: they're all silently exploiting it, of course. |
| 03:00.02 | Tene | Don't ruin it for everyone else. |
| 03:00.30 | graphyx | still it means that if a trivial bug is still in the product that there are probably lots of other problems. |
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| 03:21.10 | atoponce | ~onjoin harleyping Excuse me if I sound bitter. |
| 03:21.10 | ibot | atoponce: ok |
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| 04:00.33 | levi_home | Man, I love google book search and google scholar. |
| 04:01.48 | findlay | me too |
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| 04:11.03 | levi_home | Wow, a journal with free access to pdfs of the articles. |
| 04:14.19 | maquis | levi_home: where? |
| 04:14.41 | levi_home | Some psychology journal. |
| 04:15.32 | levi_home | Actually, 'Social Science Computer Review' |
| 04:16.00 | levi_home | Wow, a 1991 thesis paper on IRC use. |
| 04:17.17 | levi_home | Apparently, IRC was first created in 1988 |
| 04:19.48 | Tene | xkcd++ |
| 04:20.55 | levi_home | Hah. :) |
| 04:22.39 | levi_home | I like the 'Blagofaire' one. |
| 04:29.42 | nick125_lappy | oh god, I think I'm going to be sick. |
| 04:29.47 | nick125_lappy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3P2p3JHF8U |
| 04:38.39 | nick125_lappy | Hahah, from DSLR: |
| 04:38.43 | nick125_lappy | Comcast certainly hasn't "developed" anything but the ability to operate without a conscience. At least Verizon is deploying the technology that's available now, not in some far off "some day". |
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| 04:55.29 | tensai | ~lart jsmith |
| 04:55.29 | ibot | declares jsmith a moron |
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| 05:51.34 | goozbach | ~seen jsmith |
| 05:51.59 | ibot | jsmith is currently on #asterisk-doc (1h 52s) #fredlug (1h 52s) #utah (1h 52s) #uphpu (1h 52s), last said: ':-('. |
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| 11:49.29 | jsmith | goozbach: I'm here... |
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| 14:33.29 | graphyx | Anyone work with WSDL stuff? |
| 14:33.36 | ^Migs^ | will be soon :) |
| 14:34.13 | graphyx | I am trying to learn about the security aspects of it. |
| 14:34.23 | graphyx | How will you be getting familiar with it? |
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| 14:37.09 | ^Migs^ | mostly through dev2dev.bea.com |
| 14:37.19 | ^Migs^ | what are you developing with? |
| 14:37.38 | graphyx | I am not developing anything |
| 14:37.58 | ^Migs^ | oh okay |
| 14:38.10 | graphyx | just tryini to understand the security threats that accompany that type of development |
| 14:38.11 | ^Migs^ | Basically, I just need to allow different devices to interface with my portal |
| 14:38.21 | ^Migs^ | pfft, I wouldn't know |
| 14:38.25 | graphyx | so that when I come across it I can know what to look for. |
| 14:38.42 | graphyx | Is this a personal portal or a business one? |
| 14:38.50 | ^Migs^ | business |
| 14:39.26 | graphyx | Well if you want some security help in the end let me know. |
| 14:41.13 | ^Migs^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.14 | ^Migs^ | I probably will |
| 14:41.15 | graphyx | Ok |
| 14:41.36 | graphyx | great |
| 14:54.15 | jsmith | ^Migs^: Well, it's just like any other remote procedure call |
| 14:54.31 | jsmith | ^Migs^: Make sure that the traffic can't be sniffed (run it over https, for example) |
| 14:54.48 | jsmith | ^Migs^: And make sure users are forced to authenticate to perform certain actions |
| 14:57.45 | Jayce^ | then throw in something like mod_security with some rules tailored to your app |
| 14:57.52 | ^Migs^ | makes perfect sense |
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| 15:22.26 | graphyx | that is true |
| 15:23.37 | elg | but this is false |
| 15:23.55 | goozbach | one of us always lies, one of us always tells the truth |
| 15:24.09 | goozbach | 18 hours yesterday |
| 15:24.17 | goozbach | garaghhh!!! |
| 15:24.36 | Jayce^ | slacker |
| 15:25.00 | dataw0lf | uuugh |
| 15:25.25 | dataw0lf | probably shouldn't have drank so much last night |
| 15:25.37 | Jayce^ | no, you should have.. |
| 15:25.38 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 15:26.10 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: I'll be in SLC next weekend, so if you're playing some pb let me know |
| 15:26.22 | Jayce^ | the 7th? |
| 15:26.37 | Jayce^ | we'll be at velocity paintball for the red vs blue scenario game.. |
| 15:26.40 | graphyx | pb? |
| 15:26.46 | graphyx | nvm |
| 15:26.52 | Jayce^ | $20 entrance, 45 field 55 premium grade |
| 15:27.38 | dataw0lf | awesome |
| 15:27.42 | dataw0lf | got HPA fills there? |
| 15:27.54 | Jayce^ | of course |
| 15:28.03 | Jayce^ | normal pump station (fill your own) |
| 15:28.10 | goozbach | Jayce^ doesn't shoot anything else |
| 15:28.28 | dataw0lf | alright, I'll be there |
| 15:28.32 | Jayce^ | just look for the large group of folks in SpecOps Fusion gear, with "DesertEdge" on their chest.. |
| 15:30.22 | dataw0lf | alright |
| 15:30.39 | dataw0lf | what time abouts? |
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| 15:32.46 | Jayce^ | Times 8:00 am (registration begins), 9:30 a.m. (game on), end at 5:00 p.m. |
| 15:32.59 | Jayce^ | http://playatvelocity.com/haloscenario.htm |
| 15:33.00 | brac | [HALO Red -vs- Blue] |
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| 15:34.23 | dataw0lf | any rules for markers? |
| 15:34.53 | Jayce^ | looks like general rules, no rate limiting or anything (that they mention) |
| 15:35.03 | dataw0lf | k |
| 15:35.44 | dataw0lf | I'm breaking a bit with this Apex + response trigger |
| 15:36.05 | Jayce^ | ah, the RT.. |
| 15:36.23 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 15:36.38 | dataw0lf | came packaged with the marker |
| 15:36.48 | Jayce^ | used to love them, have come to hate them :) |
| 15:37.05 | Jayce^ | playing stock trigger right now, looking for an old (non WAS) etrigger |
| 15:37.13 | dataw0lf | yea |
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| 15:51.06 | tensai | I can't wait for next week. finally my calendar will switch to DST and my appointments will show up at the right time. |
| 15:51.20 | levi | Heh. |
| 15:51.21 | graphyx | why not just take care of it now? |
| 15:51.26 | graphyx | nvm |
| 15:51.26 | brac | why not mutual funds/ |
| 15:51.27 | tensai | graphyx: oh, I've tried |
| 15:51.40 | graphyx | I suppose that at this point it is best to just wait |
| 15:51.48 | levi | tensai: My evolution got fixed sometime the week after the change happened, I think. |
| 15:52.17 | tensai | levi: interesting. mine reverted to UTC for some reason. started reminding me 7 hours before appointments. |
| 15:52.47 | tensai | ~lart congress and their time meddling ways |
| 15:52.47 | ibot | beats congress and their time meddling ways to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 15:52.54 | levi | Weird. |
| 15:54.45 | goozbach | how does one install a .deb? |
| 15:54.54 | dataw0lf | dpkg -i <deb> |
| 15:54.55 | goozbach | eg what's the equivlent to rpm -ivh |
| 15:54.59 | goozbach | dataw0lf: tks |
| 15:55.02 | dataw0lf | np |
| 15:55.03 | Jayce^ | dpkg -i |
| 15:55.06 | Jayce^ | heh |
| 15:55.16 | Jayce^ | ~lart goozbach and his rpm ways |
| 15:55.16 | ibot | stamps goozbach and his rpm ways on the forehead with the official Troll marker |
| 15:59.50 | tensai | ar x foo.deb data.tar.gz && tar -xz -C / -f data.tar.gz && rm -f data.tar.gz |
| 16:00.23 | goozbach | one more question, can I use apt to get the dependancies for a deb I've downloaded and install the deb all in one fell swoop |
| 16:00.35 | goozbach | eg apt-get local-install foo.deb |
| 16:00.42 | tensai | put the deb in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 16:00.53 | tensai | then it will think it downloaded it by itself |
| 16:01.28 | tensai | might not work if the deb isn't referenced in the package list though |
| 16:01.51 | goozbach | didn't work |
| 16:02.07 | goozbach | it did see the dependancy but said I had to use -f |
| 16:02.42 | goozbach | I'm just looking for a way of scripting this command so I can provision a large number of ubuntu laptops in one big ssh enabled script |
| 16:03.03 | tensai | you could set up your own apt source |
| 16:03.25 | goozbach | looking into that |
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| 16:04.02 | dataw0lf | goozbach: use auto-apt |
| 16:11.29 | ^Migs^ | why is it that in commercials for Christian music they always show large groups of people with their eyes shut and arms raised and swaying back and forth, mouthing the words? |
| 16:12.07 | mrpull | ^migs^: don't you want to join them? |
| 16:12.07 | findlay | hello |
| 16:12.14 | ^Migs^ | is that what you're supposed to do when you listen to songs of the Judaeo-Christian persuasion? |
| 16:12.16 | mrpull | "now is the time to worship!" |
| 16:12.48 | ^Migs^ | cuz I've never done that. Am I a bad Christian? |
| 16:13.22 | dataw0lf | morning findlay |
| 16:13.37 | dataw0lf | ^Migs^: are you evangelical? |
| 16:13.43 | dataw0lf | do you speak in tongues? |
| 16:13.54 | dataw0lf | those are the types that do that |
| 16:13.57 | dataw0lf | trying to get the tongues agoin' |
| 16:14.11 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 16:14.29 | ^Migs^ | no to being Evangelical, that is |
| 16:16.06 | ^Migs^ | what does contemporary Christian music have to do with speaking in tongues? |
| 16:16.16 | dataw0lf | they both sound terrible? |
| 16:16.25 | mrpull | dataw0lf++ |
| 16:16.39 | ^Migs^ | dataw0lf-- |
| 16:16.55 | dataw0lf | :| |
| 16:17.03 | ^Migs^ | there's nothing terrible-sounding about Christian music, and it'd be extremely cool to speak in tongues, imo |
| 16:17.20 | ^Migs^ | and speaking in tongues != blabbing in an incoherent language |
| 16:17.22 | dataw0lf | that's your opinion. I gave an answer based on mine. |
| 16:17.35 | ^Migs^ | my opinions are more correct, though. We've been through this before. |
| 16:17.37 | brac | my opinions are right. Those who don't use it at him, then hits jsmith with it's progress is? |
| 16:18.13 | dataw0lf | well, your logic is flawed. Just because something is cool doth not make it sound unterrible. |
| 16:19.16 | dataw0lf | I wouldn't mind speaking in tongues. I'm sure it's an excellent way to pick up chicks. |
| 16:19.25 | ^Migs^ | I did not disagree that speaking in tongues is terrible |
| 16:19.41 | dataw0lf | and I never said that it wouldn't be cool to speak in tongues. |
| 16:19.44 | ^Migs^ | yeah, chicks appreciate a man who is versatile with his tongue |
| 16:19.52 | mrpull | ^migs^: have you witnessed someone speaking in tongues? seriously? |
| 16:19.55 | ^Migs^ | so we...disagree to agree? |
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| 16:20.02 | ^Migs^ | personally, no |
| 16:20.06 | goozbach | ^Migs^: keep it clean man |
| 16:20.27 | ^Migs^ | oops |
| 16:21.30 | dataw0lf | so, basically, you're left with your opinion that Christian music sounds unterrible. |
| 16:22.07 | dataw0lf | good for you. |
| 16:24.06 | atoponce | herlo: ping |
| 16:24.16 | ^Migs^ | my CORRECT opinion, you mean |
| 16:24.30 | dataw0lf | got it |
| 16:24.35 | levi | How sad. Some girl is sending out random friend invites to people on Friendster in an effort to gain some virtual popularity or something. |
| 16:25.16 | dataw0lf | levi: that's called... the internet |
| 16:26.18 | levi | Friendster is so passe, though. You'd think she'd be doing it on myspace or facebook or some new up-and-coming social network site. |
| 16:26.55 | dataw0lf | virb.com |
| 16:27.08 | lukfugl | virtual irb? |
| 16:27.33 | dataw0lf | I think they have one of those |
| 16:27.43 | lukfugl | tryruby.com |
| 16:27.47 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 16:27.53 | dataw0lf | x = 5 |
| 16:28.04 | dataw0lf | didn't alt tab |
| 16:28.08 | lukfugl | heh |
| 16:29.28 | dataw0lf | http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/try_python/ |
| 16:29.33 | Tene | http://run.pugscode.org/ |
| 16:29.34 | dataw0lf | whacow |
| 16:30.08 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 16:30.14 | dataw0lf | that interactive interpreter allows you to import |
| 16:30.41 | lukfugl | import 'major_hax0rage' |
| 16:30.53 | lukfugl | dang, didn't alt tab |
| 16:31.12 | Tene | import '/etc/passwd' |
| 16:31.24 | dataw0lf | it's in a bsd jail |
| 16:31.43 | Tene | You're in a bsd jail. |
| 16:32.02 | dataw0lf | noooooooooooooooo..... |
| 16:32.24 | ^Migs^ | that sort of thing happens all the time on myspace, levi |
| 16:33.40 | dataw0lf | you have a MySpace account ^Migs^? |
| 16:34.26 | ^Migs^ | yes |
| 16:34.56 | dataw0lf | what's the music on your profile? Ecce Sacerdos? |
| 16:35.07 | ^Migs^ | I don't have music on my profile |
| 16:36.09 | dataw0lf | that's a shame. |
| 16:36.12 | findlay | ~music ^Migs^ |
| 16:36.46 | ^Migs^ | No, it's really not |
| 16:37.13 | ^Migs^ | and I think anyone who's seen music on myspace profiles would realize why |
| 16:37.42 | dataw0lf | I have music on my profile |
| 16:37.45 | dataw0lf | it just doesn't autoload |
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| 16:48.47 | levi | ^Migs^: I've no doubt it happens on MySpace. I hear MySpace is becoming passe now, too, though. |
| 16:48.54 | levi | Teenagers are so fickle. |
| 16:53.27 | tensai | I have yet to see a myspace page that didn't make me ill |
| 16:54.36 | dataw0lf | my myspace page probably would make you ill from the content; however, I doubt the layout would. |
| 16:55.45 | Tene | "Myspace is goatse for web designers." |
| 16:56.15 | dataw0lf | hah |
| 16:58.39 | ^Migs^ | LOL |
| 16:59.05 | ^Migs^ | I'm kind of tempted to take myspace and actually make a decent design out of my page, somehow |
| 16:59.15 | ^Migs^ | in a kind of csszengarden kind of way |
| 16:59.20 | ^Migs^ | well, maybe not that good... |
| 17:00.35 | ^Migs^ | although you'd think if that were doable, someone would have actually done it by now |
| 17:06.18 | Tene | I've seen a few done well, migs |
| 17:10.09 | graphyx | A cool layout would be the one that used mouse position to pick from a menu of the options around the edge to show the content for the middle part |
| 17:10.20 | graphyx | That would have some pop |
| 17:10.56 | lukfugl | http://mchammer.blogspot.com/ |
| 17:14.26 | graphyx | umm not that type of pop |
| 17:17.18 | graphyx | harleypig: ping |
| 17:19.52 | findlay | heh |
| 17:24.21 | findlay | levi: as much as I like google scholar I still wish they would filter out results on pay-only databases |
| 17:24.53 | findlay | I think it's kind of corrupt for those databases to let in googlebot but not anybody else |
| 17:25.18 | levi | findlay: I'd like that to be optional, because even just having access to the abstracts can be handy. |
| 17:25.40 | findlay | le true, an |
| 17:25.52 | findlay | levi: true, an optional filter would be handy |
| 17:27.02 | graphyx | but you can just switch your user agent to googlebot |
| 17:27.07 | graphyx | and come on in |
| 17:27.30 | beandog | heh |
| 17:27.44 | findlay | graphyx: unless they filter googlebot fraud by IP |
| 17:27.54 | graphyx | true |
| 17:28.11 | graphyx | but then they can just filter by ip rather than googlebot. |
| 17:28.17 | findlay | besides, I'm disinclined to patronize any service that charges for knowledge |
| 17:28.34 | graphyx | findlay: did you go to college? |
| 17:28.41 | findlay | graphyx: that's different |
| 17:28.54 | graphyx | or have friends of people that work at gurulabs? |
| 17:29.10 | graphyx | aren't they all charging for knowledge? |
| 17:29.22 | harleypig | graphyx: pong (belated) |
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| 17:30.04 | findlay | graphyx: those are cases where the particilar kind of knowledge in question cannot be made free |
| 17:30.38 | findlay | nobody charges you money to go into a library or a law library to read the books |
| 17:30.51 | graphyx | some do |
| 17:30.53 | graphyx | not many |
| 17:31.13 | graphyx | We pay taxes for public libraries |
| 17:31.32 | graphyx | books24x7 charges for access to their books |
| 17:31.33 | findlay | yes, but not library premiums |
| 17:32.17 | findlay | I think those are different kinds of charges with different intents |
| 17:32.50 | findlay | one is an out-of-necessity charge and the other a metering-access-for-profit charge |
| 17:34.43 | findlay | I guess I'm not so much disguested with charging money for information as I am the attitude some information brokers have about information under their control |
| 17:36.17 | levi | I also hope that the academic community changes such that new research is released in a more open manner, and old school publishing houses are forced to open up their old content as well. But alas, that's not how it works now. |
| 17:36.35 | levi | The academic community is broken in a lot of ways. |
| 17:36.44 | findlay | heh, sure is |
| 17:38.44 | levi | The interaction between schools and publishing houses, the interaction between different schools, the priorities forced upon professors, etc. |
| 17:39.25 | findlay | and the "intellectual property" dynamic |
| 17:44.47 | elg | IME, ninety percent of papers you can't get from the publisher for free can be got with some clever searching |
| 17:44.56 | elg | authors almost always put up some version, even if a draft version, of their work |
| 17:45.48 | elg | and most publishers aren't trying to extract money from individuals per se, but rather target at libraries |
| 17:46.06 | elg | and so often you have access to it through the library at your school |
| 17:48.46 | levi | This is true. |
| 17:51.21 | levi | The UVSC library guy is trying to get approval to buy access to the full IEEE database. Currently they have some extensive but still limited access. |
| 17:51.38 | levi | (unless he's succeeded in getting funding for the full database since I last heard) |
| 17:52.06 | levi | In other UVSC news, the first steel beams for the structure of the new library were erected sometime in the last couple of days. |
| 18:44.59 | *** join/#utah sjansen (n=sjansen@157.130.62.194) |
| 18:45.04 | sjansen | http://www.trnicely.net/misc/vista.html |
| 18:45.05 | brac | [Windows Vista restricts GNU GCC apps to 32 MB] |
| 18:46.16 | nick125_lappy | Microsoft is so uncompetitive, it's not funny. |
| 18:47.09 | graphyx | harleypig: I have that program working and it now pages my phone upon receipt. |
| 18:47.12 | graphyx | nice eh? |
| 18:48.36 | beandog | sjansen: thats odd. |
| 18:49.28 | sjansen | lolz Micro$oft iz t3h br0ken |
| 18:50.09 | graphyx | sjansen: so is leet speak |
| 18:51.55 | sjansen | graphyx: phhhhhh, \/\/hat3v3rz doodzer u r teh br0ken |
| 18:52.29 | graphyx | did you write up a perl interpreter to translate that for you? |
| 18:52.37 | sjansen | Phear my l33tness!!!!111one |
| 18:52.48 | beandog | my roommate got a copy of vista |
| 18:52.55 | beandog | he was so impressed by the cpu and network monitors |
| 18:53.07 | beandog | I didnt have the heart to tell him that even IceWM has had that for at least 5 years. |
| 18:53.21 | graphyx | heh |
| 18:53.33 | sjansen | graphyx: 'Course not. That'd B laim-oh-lame. |
| 18:53.57 | sjansen | lamer |
| 18:54.04 | sjansen | ~lamer graphyx |
| 18:55.20 | nick125_lappy | beandog: hahah |
| 18:57.16 | sjansen | ~w graphyx |
| 18:57.17 | ibot | ACTION hold her/his/its fingers/phalanges/appendages in the form of a "w" and says "\/\/hatever graphyx" |
| 18:57.26 | graphyx | heh |
| 18:58.09 | graphyx | I actually did write a normal speech to leet speak translator as part of a perl brute force password cracker. |
| 19:01.16 | sjansen | ~rule emcnabb |
| 19:01.18 | ibot | sjansen rules and emcnabb drools |
| 19:03.06 | graphyx | Wow I almost feel like I am back in 3rd grade here. |
| 19:05.31 | emcnabb | ~shutup sjansen |
| 19:12.10 | beandog | lets play MASH |
| 19:12.10 | beandog | :D |
| 19:15.49 | sjansen | beandog: duck |
| 19:15.54 | sjansen | graphyx: duck |
| 19:16.01 | sjansen | emcnabb: duck |
| 19:16.05 | sjansen | herlo: duck |
| 19:16.13 | sjansen | goozbach: duck |
| 19:16.25 | sjansen | Jayce^: duck |
| 19:16.29 | sjansen | redbeard1: goose |
| 19:16.39 | graphyx | ~goose sjansen |
| 19:17.02 | beandog | heh |
| 19:17.08 | sjansen | ~slap graphyx |
| 19:17.09 | ibot | ACTION slaps graphyx, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 19:17.09 | beandog | did anyone else ever play MASH |
| 19:17.38 | beandog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MASH_%28game%29 |
| 19:18.48 | redbeard1 | um. i think i missed something. |
| 19:19.33 | graphyx | apparently it was sjansen, you're it. |
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| 19:22.49 | southsky | ~beat sjansen |
| 19:22.50 | ibot | ACTION beats sjansen with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish |
| 19:22.52 | *** part/#utah southsky (n=southsky@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 19:23.20 | sjansen | A drive by larting. How quaint. |
| 19:24.05 | redbeard1 | ~driveby sjansen |
| 19:24.20 | Tene | ~driveover sjansen |
| 19:24.21 | redbeard1 | well, i guess that's currently the only way to do it |
| 19:24.27 | redbeard1 | ~runover sjansen |
| 19:24.49 | sjansen | o/~ Can you feel the love tonight? ~/o |
| 19:25.15 | redbeard1 | sjansen: close your eyes |
| 19:25.19 | redbeard1 | take a deep breath |
| 19:25.25 | redbeard1 | and imagine harleypig in a harleypig thong |
| 19:26.02 | sjansen | Ha your evil plan failed! My eyes are closed and now you can see me. |
| 19:26.27 | sjansen | Because I'm invisibley I'm invincible! |
| 19:26.31 | redbeard1 | sjansen: you're a sad, strange little man |
| 19:27.00 | sjansen | Can I open my eyes yet? |
| 19:27.10 | redbeard1 | no. |
| 19:27.34 | sjansen | I'm going to have to open my eyes to find out if I can open my eyes. |
| 19:27.52 | graphyx | do you really have nothing better to do right now? |
| 19:28.28 | sjansen | Watch out, I'm opening my eyes. |
| 19:29.44 | sjansen | I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna open my eyes. |
| 19:30.41 | sjansen | My eyes are opening. |
| 19:30.52 | beandog | sjansen sure types better than me with my eyes closed |
| 19:32.00 | graphyx | beandog: you should switch to dvorak and then you wont be able to look at the keyboard for help and your typing will improve. |
| 19:32.08 | sjansen | Boo! |
| 19:33.18 | sontek | AHHH |
| 19:34.17 | sjansen | ~chase sontek |
| 19:34.18 | ibot | ACTION chases sontek |
| 19:36.56 | levi | Yay, the Computational Complexity blog lives! |
| 19:37.08 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 19:37.44 | maquis | cruelty... |
| 19:38.22 | levi | How goes the Amazoning, maquis? |
| 19:38.34 | elg | she has tamed a pirahna |
| 19:38.38 | elg | it's her pet now |
| 19:39.25 | levi | What does she feed it? |
| 19:39.47 | sontek | trick or treaters |
| 19:40.43 | elg | she has this one-click feeding system |
| 19:42.01 | levi | So it eats cookies? |
| 19:43.14 | elg | fingers mostly. it's a joint effort with logitech |
| 19:43.24 | beandog | Amazoning? |
| 19:44.02 | nick125_lappy | I don't think Amazoning is a word even.. |
| 19:44.16 | nick125_lappy | Nope, it's not. |
| 19:45.02 | ^Migs^ | if you put it in quotes, you can coin it, and it becomes a word, i.e. "How goes the 'Amazoning,' maquis?" |
| 19:46.08 | sjansen | maquis is an Amazony^?Amazonie^?Amazoner^?.... Maquis has a machete and map and is trying to blaze a trail from Brasil to Seattle |
| 19:47.29 | maquis | hmmm |
| 19:47.30 | maquis | wow |
| 19:47.44 | beandog | why Seattle? |
| 19:47.59 | ^Migs^ | why not? |
| 19:48.12 | maquis | apparently i started quite the conversation on my way off to pick stuff up from the printer |
| 19:48.43 | maquis | stupid collate chekcbox would've been good to know about... i thought that would be default behavior |
| 19:48.49 | levi | nick125: Clearly it's not a standard English word. So? |
| 19:50.21 | maquis | levi: in response to your question, it's going well, albeit busily |
| 19:50.32 | levi | Excellent. :) |
| 19:50.34 | sjansen | beandog: Very green, super green, like the Amazon. |
| 19:50.45 | sjansen | Green? Super green! |
| 19:51.15 | sjansen | And lots of rain. |
| 19:51.22 | sjansen | And Chocolate. |
| 19:51.53 | sjansen | And a culture that only encourages bathing once a month. |
| 19:52.19 | sjansen | Really, when you think about it, why not Seattle? How could anyone choose any other place on the planet? |
| 19:53.32 | Tene | Seattle++ |
| 19:53.47 | sjansen | And coffee. How could I forget coffee? |
| 19:53.48 | Tene | I need to find a job there and move there sometime in the next few years. |
| 19:58.02 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.08 | maquis | Tene: yes... i recommend it |
| 19:58.17 | sjansen | elg: Here I am. |
| 19:58.20 | sjansen | I'm right here. |
| 19:58.24 | sjansen | Over here, elg. |
| 19:58.32 | sjansen | elg: Was there something you needed? |
| 19:58.36 | sjansen | 'Cause I'm right here. |
| 19:58.41 | sjansen | If you need anything? |
| 19:58.47 | sjansen | Do you need something? |
| 20:01.01 | sjansen | while( time() < deadline ) { input = poll(#utah); if (input) { reply(); } else { comment(); } } |
| 20:01.37 | graphyx | ~segfault sjansen |
| 20:01.53 | ibot | ACTION executes sjansen and -9teLdR/;+#Segmentation fault. |
| 20:01.58 | elg | ~destroy sjansen |
| 20:01.59 | ibot | no |
| 20:02.27 | sjansen | ~botsnack |
| 20:02.27 | ibot | sjansen: :) |
| 20:02.27 | Tene | sjansen: what's your opinion on people asking you for your opinion on trivial things? |
| 20:03.11 | graphyx | what if there were no rhetorical questions? |
| 20:03.27 | graphyx | s/rhetorical/hypothetical/ |
| 20:03.28 | sjansen | cheese? |
| 20:04.08 | ^Migs^ | why do people always assume that being on IRC = not working? |
| 20:04.17 | ^Migs^ | in fact, I think I'm most productive when I'm on IRC |
| 20:06.29 | tensai | redbeard1: I made pork stock the other day. not such how porky it actually is, but it's plenty spicy. |
| 20:06.39 | redbeard1 | spicy? |
| 20:06.42 | tensai | redbeard1: used some to thin out my chili and it was delicious |
| 20:06.55 | tensai | the dried jalapeno :) |
| 20:07.32 | tensai | I put it in ice cube trays. how wonderfully convenient. |
| 20:07.33 | redbeard1 | you made stock with dried jalapeno? |
| 20:07.51 | tensai | I simmered a jalapeno with the bones and the veggies |
| 20:08.13 | redbeard1 | interesting |
| 20:08.40 | sjansen | tensai: You should blog the ice cube tray idea. |
| 20:08.53 | sjansen | ~blog tensai |
| 20:08.55 | ibot | ACTION scrambles to his keyboard so he can proclaim to the world his unique knowledge and perspective on tensai |
| 20:09.18 | tensai | initially, the stock was pretty bland. a teaspoon of salt improved that. |
| 20:09.22 | tensai | wonderful thing, salt |
| 20:09.40 | sjansen | ~salt tensai |
| 20:09.41 | ibot | ACTION holds tensai down on the ground and pours salt into a fresh open wound |
| 20:10.17 | tensai | now where did I get this gaping wound? |
| 20:10.44 | sjansen | probably the jalapeno eating away from the inside out |
| 20:11.22 | tensai | I heard an interview once. the lady said that occasionally she talks to people who say "oh, I never cook with salt". her immediate thought was, "well I don't want to eat at your house" |
| 20:15.44 | goozbach | salt is awesome |
| 20:16.09 | goozbach | as a matter of fact, salt is really all a porkchop needs to be pretty good |
| 20:16.19 | graphyx | salt used to be worth gold. |
| 20:16.25 | goozbach | porkchops...mmmmm |
| 20:16.41 | goozbach | salt has a pretty important role in the bible |
| 20:17.23 | ^Migs^ | you make it sound like salt is a main biblical character |
| 20:18.06 | goozbach | ^Migs^: as big a role as the good samaritain |
| 20:18.22 | goozbach | bigger even |
| 20:18.30 | ^Migs^ | wow |
| 20:18.34 | goozbach | cause it's in both the old and new testaments |
| 20:19.32 | ^Migs^ | yeah, salt is everywhere in the Bible. |
| 20:19.40 | ^Migs^ | Do you think God is trying to tell us something? |
| 20:22.07 | goozbach | eat more salt |
| 20:22.09 | goozbach | ? |
| 20:22.44 | graphyx | remember, you are what you eat and we are supposed to be the salt of the world, right? |
| 20:23.42 | ^Migs^ | isn't that light of the world? |
| 20:24.35 | lukfugl | ^Migs^: both phrases occur |
| 20:25.13 | graphyx | salt light, both are white, |
| 20:25.47 | ^Migs^ | I'm pretty sure "salt of the world" isn't in the Bible |
| 20:26.05 | goozbach | salt of the earth is |
| 20:26.08 | lukfugl | not necessarily in those exact words, but... |
| 20:26.09 | lukfugl | yeah |
| 20:26.11 | ^Migs^ | now there's "salt of the earth" in the beautitudes |
| 20:26.13 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 20:26.13 | goozbach | "salt of the earth" |
| 20:27.03 | graphyx | ok i mixed the phrases |
| 20:27.13 | graphyx | salt of the earth, light of the worsd |
| 20:27.26 | graphyx | s/worsd/world/ |
| 20:35.00 | goozbach | "pineapple of the moon" |
| 20:35.09 | goozbach | "kiwifruit of mars" |
| 20:36.09 | levi | How did we get from mineral to fruit? |
| 20:36.27 | levi | Or perhaps from seasoning to fruit? |
| 20:36.27 | goozbach | levi: it's a pineapple |
| 20:36.42 | levi | What's a pineapple? |
| 20:39.17 | tensai | there's no kiwi on mars. haven't you seen total recall? |
| 20:43.26 | goozbach | pineapple! |
| 20:43.29 | goozbach | ~pineapple |
| 20:43.35 | ibot | ACTION dances around with a pineapple on her head, singing ~o pineapple pineapple pineapple ~o |
| 20:44.03 | goozbach | levi: that's a pineapple |
| 20:44.42 | graphyx | goozbach has just gone plane fruity! |
| 20:45.08 | goozbach | fruit |
| 20:45.19 | goozbach | 96 hours worked in one week will do that |
| 20:45.28 | graphyx | I am sure |
| 20:50.16 | harleypig | Can anyone tell me if I'm missing something in this where clause? "WHERE hs_id != 0 AND hs_id = ?" |
| 20:50.44 | sjansen | *sigh* I'm going to miss my plane. :-( |
| 20:50.45 | harleypig | Is there any particular reason to have both checks there? |
| 20:50.54 | harleypig | sjansen: how come? |
| 20:51.20 | tensai | sjansen: get off the internet and get going! |
| 21:00.12 | sjansen | Too late. I was doomed from the moment I had hardware problems this morning. Probably earlier. I deluded myself into hoping I could leave by 4:30 local. It's 5:00 local and I'm waiting for a machine to reboot so I can reinstall it. |
| 21:00.16 | goozbach | tensai: more than likely it's due to grading a test |
| 21:00.31 | goozbach | sjansen: make gold yet? |
| 21:00.35 | sjansen | No way I can drive 40 miles, return my car, check in and make it to the gate by 6:05 local. |
| 21:00.44 | sjansen | goozbach: yup, but the flight was booked on Jet Blue |
| 21:00.52 | goozbach | oooh sorry for you |
| 21:01.00 | goozbach | I got demoted :( |
| 21:01.34 | goozbach | have to ride coach now :( |
| 21:08.55 | lukfugl | gah, redbeard1 sabotaged me again |
| 21:09.02 | lukfugl | donny dreamcoat just poked his head out of his hole |
| 21:17.09 | atoponce | how can the debian package maintainers consider the CC Attribution Share-Alike License to be non-free, as is the case for the Tango icons? |
| 21:17.37 | atoponce | i mean, c'mon |
| 21:17.55 | atoponce | how can you get more 'free'? public domain? |
| 21:18.28 | Tene | is it the 'attribution' part? |
| 21:19.06 | ^Migs^ | only in the 20-21st century could anyone think there are different levels of "free" |
| 21:20.48 | atoponce | Tene: dunno |
| 21:20.59 | atoponce | "Attribution. You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work)." |
| 21:21.12 | atoponce | so, maybe |
| 21:21.59 | atoponce | all it's saying, though, is 'please give me credit for the work'. the same that the gpl does |
| 21:22.15 | atoponce | so, i don't get it |
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| 21:38.42 | Tene | perhaps you might find clues if you looked at the debian definition of 'free' on http://debian.org/ |
| 21:38.44 | findlay | I wish I wasn't so stupid |
| 21:38.55 | Tene | ~smartify findlay |
| 21:39.02 | findlay | thanks Tene |
| 21:39.05 | Tene | ~smart-o-tron findlay |
| 21:44.33 | findlay | ~lart DNS |
| 21:44.33 | ibot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking DNS's head off |
| 21:48.18 | findlay | why is bind so dumb it only works with one domain when I have more than one? |
| 21:48.54 | findlay | when I have more than one setup? |
| 21:50.09 | tensai | http://www.kabalarians.com/Male/stuart.htm |
| 21:54.08 | elg | atoponce: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines and http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html |
| 21:54.10 | brac | [Debian Social Contract] |
| 21:54.53 | atoponce | i'm aware of the debian social contract, and the debian free software guidelines |
| 21:55.12 | atoponce | it seems to me that some CC licenses would be defined as 'free' |
| 21:56.20 | tensai | debian has often debated about section 2c in GPL2 and whether that renders it non-free |
| 22:00.40 | elg | None of the Creative Commons licenses have been certified by the Open Source Initiative. The maintainers of the Debian GNU/Linux distribution do not believe that even the Creative Commons Attribution License, the least restrictive of the licenses, adheres to the Debian Free Software Guidelines due to the license's anti-DRM provisions and its requirement in section 4a that downstream users remove an author's credit upon request from the author.[3] As the other |
| 22:00.50 | elg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons_licenses |
| 22:01.46 | elg | http://people.debian.org/~evan/ccsummary.html |
| 22:01.48 | brac | [debian-legal Summary of Creative Commons 2.0 Licenses] |
| 22:04.22 | elg | tensai: that's creepy |
| 22:04.27 | elg | the stuart thing |
| 22:04.37 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 22:04.59 | lukfugl | debian legal = rules lawyers pissed about outgrowing their favorite rule-laden games, so they have to find some other complex system to ruin |
| 22:05.14 | elg | hehe |
| 22:05.29 | elg | no, not really |
| 22:06.14 | elg | Debian just prefers to be on the safe side legally. People who like to gloss over the rules because they don't see how they apply (today) find it very distasteful |
| 22:06.37 | elg | but in the end it may be that they all find themselves between a rock and a hard place, and debian and its users will be squeaky clean |
| 22:08.17 | tensai | onjoin sjansen http://www.kabalarians.com/Male/stuart.htm |
| 22:08.24 | tensai | ~onjoin sjansen http://www.kabalarians.com/Male/stuart.htm |
| 22:08.24 | ibot | tensai: ok |
| 22:13.01 | Tene | ~onion sjansen |
| 22:16.49 | rsimpkins | Some times I just don't get IT. You get praised for doing something simple, then no one even cares when you 'move mountains' and solve a tough problem. |
| 22:21.14 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Gee... sounds familiar |
| 22:21.17 | brac | Gee... sounds familiar to the port number "http://www.tuxgirl.com" is outside the window |
| 22:21.34 | elg | what you don't get is normal people |
| 22:21.37 | elg | not IT |
| 22:25.40 | maquis | brac: uh... what? |
| 22:25.40 | brac | beats me |
| 22:26.00 | maquis | elg: why is brac talking about my site? |
| 22:26.29 | levi | elg: Heh, did you look at the page on Hans? |
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| 22:31.49 | atoponce | i find debians analretentive nature towards defining free software frustrating and limiting |
| 22:34.56 | lukfugl | dang, my name constipates me |
| 22:35.26 | lukfugl | "This name, when combined with the last name, can ... cause health weaknesses in the ... elimination system." |
| 22:39.06 | lukfugl | http://www.kabalarians.com/Male/brac.htm |
| 22:39.40 | lukfugl | looks like Hans and Brac are eerily similar. Coincidence? You decide! |
| 22:41.47 | vontrapp | ~constipate lukfugl's name |
| 22:42.55 | vontrapp | atoponce: first of all, make sure you have contrib and non-free |
| 22:43.00 | vontrapp | that gets most things |
| 22:43.12 | vontrapp | then for the rest, use the medibuntu sources |
| 22:43.48 | atoponce | yeah. i'm aware of the non-free repos, i just find it frustrating |
| 22:43.51 | vontrapp | medibuntu is plf |
| 22:44.07 | vontrapp | or a subset of plf, or plf is a subset of medibuntu |
| 22:44.16 | atoponce | debian is such a solid system, it's just too bad that idealism and politicks get in the way of a lot of decisions |
| 22:45.12 | vontrapp | but medibuntu is good enough |
| 22:45.21 | lukfugl | plf = ? |
| 22:45.28 | vontrapp | penguin liberation front |
| 22:46.46 | vontrapp | atoponce: then again, just about any distro, with the default package repos, is going to be lacking |
| 22:46.50 | vontrapp | excepting maybe gentoo |
| 22:47.43 | vontrapp | ~plf is penguin liberation front, http://plf.zarb.org |
| 22:47.45 | ibot | okay, vontrapp |
| 22:47.46 | brac | [News] |
| 22:49.19 | vontrapp | there was about six months were there was no ubuntu or debian plf repo, it was a sad time |
| 22:54.19 | macnewbold | ~zippy |
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| 23:04.59 | beandog | gentoo doesnt lack? woots! |
| 23:05.02 | beandog | ++ |
| 23:06.09 | nick125_lappy | Hmm... |
| 23:06.25 | nick125_lappy | Anyone here know of a simple way to put a few avi files on a DVD that can actually be played on a normal DVD player? |
| 23:06.35 | beandog | yah |
| 23:06.46 | beandog | ffmpeg -i foo.avi -format ntsc-dvd -o dvd.mpg |
| 23:06.47 | beandog | or something like that. |
| 23:07.00 | beandog | then just use dvdauthor to burn em. |
| 23:07.02 | beandog | er |
| 23:07.04 | beandog | create the FS |
| 23:07.05 | beandog | I meant. |
| 23:07.30 | beandog | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Create_a_DVD:Encode#ffmpeg |
| 23:07.38 | rsimpkins | Does anyone know how to turn off the tooltip in the gnome window-list? |
| 23:07.38 | beandog | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Create_a_DVD:Filesystem |
| 23:07.41 | nick125_lappy | Well, I have two avi files |
| 23:07.48 | beandog | that's fine |
| 23:07.57 | beandog | ^^ that'll tell you everything |
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| 23:30.30 | vontrapp | it's a sad sad thing there's not better software available for the relatively simple, yet convoluted task of making a dvd |
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| 23:49.41 | fiftyfour123 | can anyone here help me with an applescript compiling error in xcode? |