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| 02:24.53 | findlay | hey, I want an account |
| 02:25.53 | findlay | ~give me an account |
| 02:26.03 | ibot | ACTION gives an account to findlay |
| 02:26.10 | findlay | yes! |
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| 02:35.40 | levi_home | So tired. |
| 02:35.49 | levi_home | But my project is done. |
| 02:37.27 | Tene | but do you have an account? |
| 02:37.39 | levi_home | I have many accounts. |
| 02:43.17 | findlay | ~account levi_home |
| 02:44.29 | Tene | many accounts, eh? |
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| 03:11.28 | findlay | Tene: how many accounts do you have? |
| 03:11.54 | Tene | How many do you have? |
| 03:12.08 | findlay | enough |
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| 03:17.46 | findlay | ~accounts |
| 03:18.02 | findlay | ibot: accounts is <reply> I have 42 accounts |
| 03:18.04 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 03:31.32 | Tene | ~accounts findlay |
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| 03:38.26 | findlay_ | I'd like to destroy this CD drive with a hammer |
| 03:38.32 | findlay_ | anyone want to watch me? |
| 03:38.56 | jnbek | i do i do !!! me me me !! |
| 03:39.13 | findlay_ | well it was so dumb it froze my system |
| 03:39.30 | findlay_ | I've been sick of dealing with it these 4 years |
| 03:39.48 | jnbek | that sucks |
| 03:39.57 | findlay_ | yeah |
| 03:40.17 | findlay_ | I shouldn't have put up with it so long |
| 03:41.06 | jnbek | you can usually find a decent unit at DI for like 4-5 bux, if money's an issue |
| 03:41.32 | findlay_ | well I already have another one |
| 03:41.38 | jnbek | ahh, ok |
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| 03:59.20 | Supaplex | tofo. meat for the meat avoiders. |
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| 04:21.09 | levi_home | This compile is taking forever. |
| 04:21.36 | levi_home | My poor little iBook G4. |
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| 04:58.46 | brailsmt | is there some sort of general internet slowdown going on right now? |
| 04:59.03 | brailsmt | everything online is mega slow tonight |
| 05:05.05 | rsimpkins | brailsmt: not here, have you run any traceroutes? |
| 05:07.21 | brailsmt | well, i wonder if its my isp (comcast) throttling my bandwidth since i am d/l'ing a torrent right now.. |
| 05:07.46 | rsimpkins | brailsmt: Could be. |
| 05:10.50 | Tene | or just could be that your torrent is sucking up most of your bandwidth |
| 05:11.09 | brailsmt | no, it isn't even close |
| 05:11.19 | brailsmt | 47kb/s |
| 05:11.28 | brailsmt | err... make that kB/s |
| 05:12.30 | brailsmt | i've seen up to 200kB/s without major problems like these |
| 05:14.03 | Tene | how much are you uploading? |
| 05:15.22 | brailsmt | Lost |
| 05:15.25 | brailsmt | 350 MB |
| 05:15.51 | Tene | that is to say, what's the upload rate? |
| 05:16.46 | brailsmt | i have that throttled to no more that 45kB/s |
| 05:16.55 | brailsmt | right now its at 44.8kB/s |
| 05:17.08 | Tene | yeah, that shouldn't be a problem. |
| 05:19.32 | brailsmt | this looks slow... 9371.876ms |
| 05:19.39 | brailsmt | for one hop in a traceroute |
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| 05:55.47 | nick125_lappy | Hmm....I'm bored |
| 05:55.58 | nick125_lappy | I should try setting something cool up |
| 05:55.59 | nick125_lappy | like ldap |
| 05:56.11 | nick125_lappy | Anyone here setup ldap before? |
| 06:13.14 | Tene | yep |
| 06:44.44 | nick125_lappy | Tene: It is really that hard? |
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| 08:14.25 | nick125_lappy | I hate office 07 so much. |
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| 08:41.37 | Tene | nick125_lappy: nope |
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| 12:32.01 | sjansen | ls |
| 12:32.03 | sjansen | clear |
| 12:32.09 | sjansen | exit |
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| 12:32.15 | sjansen | bye |
| 12:32.19 | sjansen | die! die! die! |
| 12:38.52 | graphyx | you are not a nice man |
| 12:38.54 | graphyx | whet you do that |
| 12:39.00 | graphyx | when* |
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| 12:48.21 | goozbach | netsplit! |
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| 13:17.13 | graphyx | http://www.bash.org/?53843 |
| 13:17.14 | brac | [QDB: Quote #53843] |
| 13:30.31 | goozbach | qdb?! |
| 13:30.34 | goozbach | graphyx: no!!! |
| 13:30.38 | goozbach | I had given that up |
| 13:31.08 | graphyx | but this one is about linux and world peace. |
| 13:31.15 | graphyx | two things we all love |
| 13:31.48 | goozbach | ok that's a first |
| 13:31.59 | goozbach | I read it and didn't hit the random link to read more |
| 13:32.08 | goozbach | that's new |
| 13:32.24 | graphyx | heh |
| 13:54.02 | jsmith | http://www.fury.fi/~raven/html/pics/valokuvat/swim.png |
| 13:54.06 | jsmith | Funny pic of the day... |
| 13:57.09 | elg | :) |
| 14:03.05 | graphyx | um, you don't have to have a pic |
| 14:03.13 | graphyx | you can just do the search yourself |
| 14:03.22 | graphyx | it does say swim. |
| 14:04.14 | ^Migs^ | crap, I just broke my headphones |
| 14:05.16 | graphyx | did you mean you just broke your crap headphones? |
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| 14:15.29 | calvarez | Good Morning, Viet...Utah!! |
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| 14:16.28 | sjansen | Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood Morning calvarez |
| 14:16.31 | calvarez | no, I'm the real one :p |
| 14:16.52 | graphyx | ~gatech |
| 14:16.54 | ibot | somebody said gatech was where calvarez is? |
| 14:17.13 | goozbach | it really does work BTW |
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| 14:17.24 | goozbach | google maps from washington DC to london |
| 14:18.06 | sjansen | Huh, I can't find thunderbird on RHEL5. |
| 14:20.04 | calvarez | RHEL is for sellouts |
| 14:20.54 | sjansen | calvarez is for long-haired hippy FBI infiltrator weasel tickling types |
| 14:21.08 | calvarez | haha |
| 14:21.11 | emcnabb | sjansen: Client or Server? |
| 14:21.18 | calvarez | I've made software for FBI you newb |
| 14:21.24 | sjansen | Server. |
| 14:22.11 | calvarez | the slides at this sy posium have a horrible layout |
| 14:22.28 | goozbach | sy posium |
| 14:22.30 | goozbach | hmm |
| 14:22.37 | goozbach | never been to one of those |
| 14:23.16 | sjansen | goozbach: calvarez my psy-posium, a convention wherein everyone tries to telepathically communicate with possums |
| 14:23.30 | calvarez | exactly |
| 14:23.39 | sjansen | s/my/meant/ |
| 14:23.45 | calvarez | as a matter of fact, I knew you were gonna say that even before you typed it |
| 14:23.51 | calvarez | Psy-IRC |
| 14:24.02 | emcnabb | sjansen: I think it is only included in Client (Desktop/Workstation) |
| 14:24.54 | sjansen | emcnabb: Looks like it. Evolution is also MIA, although evolution-data-server is included. I guess admins have to suck it up and use mutt or suffer with the mail command. |
| 14:32.53 | goozbach | sjansen: did you know that the install tree is already yum ready? |
| 14:33.22 | goozbach | you could just copy the workstation rpms to a dir, rebuild your repodata file and yum install thunderbird |
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| 14:35.19 | sjansen | Yeah, but I don't want students to depend on that. Gone are the days I could say "just use Thunderbird to test Dovecot". |
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| 14:38.53 | sjansen | ~thwack thaddeusq |
| 14:38.54 | ibot | ACTION hits thaddeusq on the arm with a Cisco Manual |
| 14:39.38 | sjansen | o/~ Sometimes you feel like a nut. Sometimes you don't. Almond Joy's got nuts. Mounds don't. ~/o |
| 14:41.50 | dataw0lf | yes, yes, let's take an old, good in it's time technology, and combined it with a new, bad in it's time technology |
| 14:42.02 | Jayce^ | amen |
| 14:42.12 | sjansen | Borland: Microsoft is recognized as the great software satan. We must not let them monopolize the market on evil. What can we do to counter? |
| 14:42.35 | dataw0lf | allowing those few who somehow couldn't write bad software in PHP to now do so! |
| 14:42.43 | sjansen | Borland programmer (to self): Please for the love of $DIETY don't let them think of combining Delphi and PHP. |
| 14:42.54 | sjansen | Borland management: Muahahahahahahahaahha. |
| 14:43.05 | Jayce^ | hehe dataw0lf... can always tell somebody with BGI experience.. |
| 14:43.30 | dataw0lf | yea, about a week of it |
| 14:43.35 | dataw0lf | that's the day Pascal died in my soul |
| 14:43.40 | dataw0lf | (I murdered it) |
| 14:43.56 | Jayce^ | worthy reason |
| 14:44.14 | sjansen | heh |
| 14:44.29 | Jayce^ | in high school a friend and I did a GUI in BGI's... I've worked hard to black out that period.. |
| 14:44.39 | Jayce^ | of course, that exact experience is what got me the ^ in my nick |
| 14:44.44 | dataw0lf | it's like curses programming, but without the false sense of hackery. |
| 14:45.28 | thaddeusq | sjansen: I want to teach a class like you've got this week, so I can spend all my time on irc. :) |
| 14:46.00 | sjansen | Just 3 students and a 90 minute lab, baby. :-) |
| 14:46.10 | dataw0lf | what's the class? |
| 14:47.00 | dataw0lf | virb.com, yet another social networking site.... but it's written in Django! omgzlolhawt |
| 14:50.11 | sjansen | RH253, network services. Specifically, there's setting up Postfix+Dovecot right now. |
| 14:50.35 | dataw0lf | Word. |
| 14:53.04 | sjansen | No, not Word. That'd be a completely different class for a completely different company. I'd quit before teaching Word. |
| 14:53.10 | sjansen | :-P |
| 14:53.35 | dataw0lf | EXCELlent |
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| 14:54.00 | graphyx | That is a POWERful POINT you just made. |
| 14:54.25 | dataw0lf | It's decent OUTLOOK, agreed. |
| 14:54.27 | dataw0lf | It's a* |
| 14:54.45 | dataw0lf | ACCESSible to most people. |
| 14:55.05 | graphyx | but only those with VISIOn. |
| 14:55.06 | sjansen | They say that the love of money is the root of all evil. I'm not sure that's true. I suspect Power Point is actually the root of all evil. |
| 14:56.41 | redbeard1 | that's an interesting picture you PAINT |
| 14:57.22 | goozbach | Jayce^: question for you: freeside is integrated with RT, correct? |
| 14:57.55 | redbeard1 | goozbach: i don't think it is, actually |
| 14:58.34 | goozbach | redbeard1: the trick is to VISUALize yourself in a giant STUDIO |
| 14:58.53 | Jayce^ | goozbach, yes, optionally.. |
| 14:59.04 | dataw0lf | redbeard1: surrounded by NAKED CHICKS |
| 14:59.09 | dataw0lf | I don't know if that's a MS application |
| 14:59.12 | dataw0lf | But it should be. |
| 14:59.23 | redbeard1 | dataw0lf: if it were, it would sell. |
| 14:59.27 | Jayce^ | 3.2 ATM, but I think with the external support you *should* be able to run a 3.6 |
| 14:59.43 | Jayce^ | sjansen, c:\> is the root of all evil |
| 14:59.58 | goozbach | how difficult is/would it be to integrate it with something else, say Trac? |
| 14:59.59 | redbeard1 | my root of evil is / |
| 15:00.07 | sjansen | MS has been going the wrong direction ever since they cancelled XENIX: Warrior OS |
| 15:00.54 | Jayce^ | http://www.jumbojoke.com/why_men_need_postit_notes_880.html <-- that's just *awesome* advertising |
| 15:00.55 | brac | [Why Men 'Need' Post-It Notes] |
| 15:00.56 | goozbach | sjansen: BOB your head if you agree |
| 15:02.30 | graphyx | I think his beard needs more bobbing than his head. |
| 15:02.56 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.59 | brac | [Get Out of Hell Free Cards -- t-shirts, stickers, and more with attitude] |
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| 15:11.26 | findlay_ | dataw0lf: why are you surrounded by featherless spawn of chicken? |
| 15:11.29 | ^Migs^ | how do you set up a subdomain on a dns server to resolve? |
| 15:11.49 | findlay_ | sounds like a bad dream to me |
| 15:11.53 | lukfugl | eggs? |
| 15:12.04 | findlay | lukfugl: I think you're right |
| 15:14.56 | sjansen | Aren't eggs the python equivalent of gems? |
| 15:15.27 | lukfugl | heh |
| 15:17.31 | goozbach | ^Migs^: first you delegate, then you add a glue record |
| 15:17.47 | goozbach | then you setup your hosts on the delegated subdomain |
| 15:18.02 | goozbach | OR you just add a subdomain into the same zone file |
| 15:18.02 | ^Migs^ | you'd think I'd know this stuff as a webmaster |
| 15:18.39 | goozbach | eg: 192.168.2.15 A host15 |
| 15:18.44 | dataw0lf | sjansen: yes. |
| 15:19.02 | goozbach | 192.168.2.18 A host2.subdomain |
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| 15:19.13 | lukfugl | datawolf: seriously? awesome |
| 15:26.18 | sjansen | http://www.goohf.com/story006.html |
| 15:26.19 | brac | [Out of the Mouths of Babes] |
| 15:31.38 | ^Migs^ | sweet, my laptop finally came |
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| 15:35.45 | Zelut | sjansen: are you shopping for get out of hell offers this week? |
| 15:36.07 | sjansen | Actually, the week's gone very well. |
| 15:36.24 | sjansen | One of the fun things about Boston is the number of Brazilians here. |
| 15:37.23 | elg | mmmm, boston |
| 15:37.37 | sjansen | Instead of hearing Spanish in the restaurants, I keep hearing Portuguese. Which is quickly followed by me surprising them by switching to Portuguese. |
| 15:37.46 | Zelut | nice |
| 15:38.03 | graphyx | sjansen: How many is a brazillian? |
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| 15:39.04 | sjansen | Ate at a Brazilian place last nice (great beans!) and surprisingly my waitress _didn't_ know Portuguese.... It just doesn't seem right asking for "passion fruit juice", it isn't the same. |
| 15:39.42 | graphyx | I wish I had the same luck with Italian |
| 15:40.01 | graphyx | I haven't spoken with a real italian since I moved to Arkansas |
| 15:40.05 | elg | did you hit on her anyway? |
| 15:41.26 | graphyx | sjansen: that's right you aren't married yet are you. |
| 15:41.31 | brac | that's right you are. Does CfMC mean anything |
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| 15:42.20 | graphyx | how appropriate a comment ibot |
| 15:49.26 | ^Migs^ | I hate how when you buy notebooks or desktops they always load it up with a bunch of crap I don't need and I'll never use and hogs my space and memory |
| 15:49.34 | tensai | like Windows |
| 15:49.38 | ^Migs^ | wtf is HP Credential Manager? |
| 15:50.14 | ^Migs^ | oh shoot. Now I loaded up Windows and got a "Software is being installed" notice with no way to stop it |
| 15:51.06 | ^Migs^ | I thought Dell was bad |
| 15:52.01 | graphyx | Just reload it clean immediately after purchase and any have to have apps |
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| 15:57.59 | tensai | graphyx: problem is "reload" means using the restore disks to set it back to factory defaults, which means all the crap comes back |
| 15:58.23 | tensai | restore disks are such a rip off. I mean Windows is a rip off in the first place and this just makes it worse |
| 15:58.29 | graphyx | you don't have an xp install disk? |
| 15:58.58 | ^Migs^ | yes |
| 15:59.06 | graphyx | Well there you have it |
| 15:59.07 | ^Migs^ | not here, though |
| 15:59.11 | graphyx | ok |
| 15:59.18 | graphyx | oh well that does change things |
| 15:59.24 | ^Migs^ | I'm just debating whether or not I should load stuff on it now, or later |
| 15:59.25 | graphyx | but that is just a bittorrent away |
| 15:59.32 | ^Migs^ | indeed |
| 15:59.42 | graphyx | Well I am sure you will get it taken care of. |
| 16:02.11 | ^Migs^ | but they didn't even provide me with the Windows XP serial number |
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| 16:08.06 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: Any HP I've ever used has the dumb windows sticker on it. |
| 16:08.06 | redbeard1 | http://uk.download.yahoo.com/ne/fu/attachments/bubblewrap.swf |
| 16:09.26 | ^Migs^ | this one, alas, does not |
| 16:09.40 | ^Migs^ | oh wait, there it is, nm |
| 16:10.15 | ^Migs^ | I just can't help but wonder if HP is using all this software to spy on me |
| 16:10.45 | redbeard1 | they are |
| 16:10.50 | ^Migs^ | I've never seen my taskbar icons so full. There's, like, 20 icons here. |
| 16:12.56 | ^Migs^ | I don't even know why I'm putting all my crap on here now. I'm just going to reformat the drive |
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| 16:29.02 | sjansen | Heh, just had a chance to give my students a hands on example of why every employee has to be trained to think about security. |
| 16:29.03 | findlay | hello |
| 16:29.46 | findlay | ^Migs^: I don't like icon proliferation either |
| 16:29.50 | sjansen | I have a visitor badge so that I can get into the classroom and the cafeteria. My own personal scarlet V. |
| 16:30.11 | findlay | there are some people I know whose desktop is completely full of icons |
| 16:30.21 | findlay | how can you live in an environment like that? |
| 16:30.26 | ^Migs^ | I don't know |
| 16:30.29 | ^Migs^ | But I need to get rid of it |
| 16:30.34 | sjansen | Coming back from lunch, I held the door open for some people. Following everyone up the stairs, the last guy through held the door for me on the next floor. |
| 16:30.47 | sjansen | I'm not supposed to have access to that floor. |
| 16:31.21 | sjansen | Part of me wanted to tail gate in and wander around a bit, just to prove I could. |
| 16:31.23 | ^Migs^ | so did you go in and rummage around? |
| 16:31.40 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 16:31.48 | ^Migs^ | I wouldn't have either |
| 16:32.02 | ^Migs^ | not that it wouldn't be fun, just that I'd end up having to explain myself later |
| 16:32.25 | findlay | ~secure sjansen |
| 16:32.26 | ibot | ACTION gives sjansen a good dose of security |
| 16:32.42 | sjansen | ~pen test findlay |
| 16:33.38 | rsimpkins | I really like beryl. |
| 16:33.58 | rsimpkins | Wish I had a better vid card, but runs okay on the laptop. |
| 16:34.02 | Zelut | beryl is fun |
| 16:34.27 | rsimpkins | My favorite effects are the burn effect (when I close a window) and the cube. |
| 16:34.31 | findlay | heh, silly 3D |
| 16:34.41 | findlay | real users run TWM! |
| 16:34.54 | Zelut | yeah, burning windows is cool |
| 16:35.14 | findlay | TWM is cutting edge strongbad technology |
| 16:35.14 | sjansen | findlay: real geeks use ratpoison |
| 16:35.20 | rsimpkins | The transparency with blur is oh so nice as well. |
| 16:35.49 | rsimpkins | It's like IRCing in frosted glass. |
| 16:36.06 | findlay | ratpoision may be only 5000 LOC but it sits on top of X of all things |
| 16:36.34 | findlay | I don't know how you could hide *that* ugliness with the thinness of ratpoision |
| 16:37.21 | sjansen | findlay: Fine. In that case, real geeks use screen and a hacked up gtk with aalib as a backend. |
| 16:37.33 | findlay | heh |
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| 16:38.40 | findlay | I don't know how I should feel because I'm kind of intrigued by sjansen's suggestion |
| 16:41.31 | ^Migs^ | is it bad to set up an array of nested surge protectors? |
| 16:41.41 | ^Migs^ | gosh, I'm such a developer |
| 16:41.47 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: I did that once and when one of them blew it started a small fire. |
| 16:41.55 | findlay | only if you can't figure out a way to turn it into a network that could converge on turing completeness |
| 16:41.56 | mrpull | ^migs^: probably a bad idea |
| 16:42.00 | ^Migs^ | oh COOL |
| 16:43.17 | ^Migs^ | I'd set it up just to make that happen |
| 16:44.28 | mrpull | http://www.sadkermit.com |
| 16:44.29 | brac | [sadkermit.com] |
| 16:44.55 | mrpull | anything that combines radiohead, johnny cash, NIN AND Kermit the Frog is good with me |
| 16:48.45 | levi | That's crazy. |
| 16:55.48 | findlay | I hate it when I have so much to do I can't keep it all orderly in my head |
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| 17:02.21 | findlay | ~graphyx ibot |
| 17:05.44 | tensai | http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/31366/118/ |
| 17:05.46 | brac | [TG Daily - Best Buy acquires Speakeasy] |
| 17:05.53 | tensai | all I can say is "why?" |
| 17:06.13 | findlay | it's a sad world |
| 17:06.33 | mrpull | tensai: so they can give you 8 free issues of any magazine you want with your DSL |
| 17:07.27 | findlay | heh |
| 17:10.41 | levi | http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=43272&in_page_id=2 |
| 17:10.42 | brac | [Student punished for spaghetti beliefs | Metro.co.uk] |
| 17:11.08 | harleypig | Parse error. Does not compute: http://media.knuttz.net/0703/weirdo-6/weirdo-004.jpg |
| 17:11.37 | levi | harleypig: You find the wrongest stuff. |
| 17:11.49 | harleypig | It's a talent. |
| 17:11.58 | mrpull | harleypig: holy moly |
| 17:11.59 | graphyx | Are you sure it doesn't just find him? |
| 17:11.59 | lukfugl | ok, I need to remember to *not* click on hp's links :) |
| 17:12.01 | harleypig | It's not often that I get one *I* think is bent though. |
| 17:12.12 | Jayce^ | levi, dunno, mrpull's video challenges your capabilities.. |
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| 17:12.31 | levi | Jayce^: Was that the sadkermit one? |
| 17:13.20 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 17:13.41 | lukfugl | spagnostic. awesome |
| 17:15.25 | graphyx | Is that those who don't believe in the flying spaghetti monster? |
| 17:15.42 | graphyx | then I would have to be classified as spagnostic. |
| 17:15.47 | harleypig | graphyx: spagnostics aren't sure the flying monster exists. |
| 17:16.09 | harleypig | pastheists would be non-believers. |
| 17:16.19 | graphyx | though another one would have to be lasagnostic. |
| 17:16.22 | harleypig | or maybe spastheists |
| 17:16.24 | graphyx | hp that is good |
| 17:17.00 | graphyx | that god a belly laugh out of me. |
| 17:17.06 | graphyx | quiet though |
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| 17:22.20 | harleypig | mrpull: Loved the video1 |
| 17:22.24 | harleypig | s/1/!/ |
| 17:23.01 | graphyx | what is this video? |
| 17:24.34 | findlay | -urls |
| 17:24.34 | brac | [2007/03/29 11:11:11] <harleypig> http://media.knuttz.net/0703/weirdo-6/weirdo-004.jpg |
| 17:24.35 | brac | [2007/03/29 11:10:42] <levi> http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=43272&in_page_id=2 |
| 17:24.35 | brac | [2007/03/29 11:05:46] <tensai> http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/31366/118/ |
| 17:24.35 | brac | [2007/03/29 10:44:29] <mrpull> http://www.sadkermit.com |
| 17:24.57 | findlay | I should know better than to promote some of those URLs |
| 17:27.19 | harleypig | graphyx: It's ... umm ... interesting. |
| 17:27.23 | harleypig | I found it hilarious. |
| 17:27.30 | harleypig | Which should probably be a warning for you. |
| 17:30.27 | graphyx | I take it that you don't share some of these things with your kids. |
| 17:30.43 | sjansen | Man, I used to think that an hour was a long time to spend teaching. |
| 17:31.00 | sjansen | Now I wonder how college professors teach anything at all in just an hour. |
| 17:31.42 | graphyx | you may be working with less motivated people. |
| 17:32.13 | sjansen | (Answers: They are teaching almost nothing. An hour is really only enough time to teach one, maybe two concepts in depth. Anything more and you'll have to hope your students have an attention span that can cross days.) |
| 17:38.00 | levi | sjansen: This is true. College students must study on their own time if they hope to actually learn anything. |
| 17:41.26 | findlay | I'm getting the wierdest problems trying to start vi |
| 17:41.37 | findlay | it waits for like 10 s before starting |
| 17:42.16 | findlay | so I did an strace and it loops over this funciton like 30 times: connect(3, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/tmp/.X11-unix/X0"}, 19) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 17:42.30 | findlay | does anybody know why it's doing that? |
| 17:42.54 | graphyx | trying to start gvim? |
| 17:43.16 | harleypig | graphyx: Yeah ... not for kids. |
| 17:43.20 | findlay | nope just vim |
| 17:43.24 | harleypig | I have that directory encrypted. |
| 17:43.31 | dataw0lf | what's your .vimrc look like findlay? |
| 17:43.38 | graphyx | i would hope so |
| 17:43.45 | dataw0lf | you sure it isn't doing a gui instantiation in there? |
| 17:43.52 | findlay | it does this one too: connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(6000), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused) |
| 17:43.54 | graphyx | that is what i was thinking |
| 17:44.35 | findlay | I don't care if it calls that function. I do care if it causes an unacceptable delay before starting the program |
| 17:44.49 | findlay | and 20 s is an unacceptable delay |
| 17:44.52 | dataw0lf | findlay: what's $DISPLAY set as? Try unsetting that, then try starting vim, and see if it works |
| 17:45.47 | findlay | dataw0lf: that sped things up, but why? |
| 17:45.56 | findlay | it was set to ":0.0" |
| 17:46.10 | dataw0lf | trying to connect to the Xserver |
| 17:46.14 | dataw0lf | port 6000 |
| 17:46.31 | findlay | because $DISPLAY was set? |
| 17:46.51 | findlay | guess I should figure out why it's set, or why it tries to start the gui |
| 17:47.03 | dataw0lf | did you start it in an X environment then kill X? |
| 17:47.12 | findlay | no |
| 17:47.27 | findlay | but an X server is not running on this machine |
| 17:47.27 | levi | Checking DISPLAY is usually a reasonable way to see if X is running. |
| 17:47.44 | findlay | oh I know what I did |
| 17:47.45 | findlay | (: |
| 17:47.56 | graphyx | do tell |
| 17:48.09 | findlay | I started this screen session while the X server was running, but X is shut down now |
| 17:48.20 | dataw0lf | there ya go. |
| 17:48.31 | graphyx | yup |
| 17:48.36 | findlay | I have simmilar problems with trying to launch guis from a screen session begun before X was started |
| 17:48.47 | findlay | because of $DISPLAY I guess |
| 17:49.45 | levi | Yup. |
| 17:50.04 | graphyx | so getting rid of $DISPLAY fixed it? |
| 17:50.05 | findlay | lolz dataw0lf, graphyx! U fixed my b0x!! |
| 17:50.12 | findlay | graphyx: yes |
| 17:50.24 | graphyx | cool |
| 17:50.34 | graphyx | I didn't know what to do to fix it |
| 17:50.39 | graphyx | just a thought |
| 17:53.39 | dataw0lf | after such a stunning display of intelligence, I must... hax0r teh Gibson! wheeee! |
| 17:53.48 | dataw0lf | y'know, CodeIgniter actually makes PHP fairly bearable. |
| 17:54.34 | graphyx | teh gibson? |
| 17:54.43 | dataw0lf | yes, teh Gibson. |
| 17:54.44 | graphyx | I guess I am not up on that phrase. |
| 17:55.10 | dataw0lf | it's from hackers. super 1337 hax0rs use it to describe a super hack. Or smarta$$es use it to be sarcastic. |
| 17:55.22 | graphyx | I see |
| 17:55.43 | graphyx | right |
| 17:55.44 | dataw0lf | Hackers, as in, the hilarious movie. |
| 17:55.48 | graphyx | yep |
| 17:55.50 | graphyx | seen it |
| 17:56.08 | findlay | ~seen it |
| 17:56.41 | ibot | it <~EM@bonnett.gotadsl.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 846d 15h 58m 49s ago, saying: 'dark_light, vim /$HOME/.gtkkrc-2.0 and change the font size in there'. |
| 17:56.42 | graphyx | -chat about seen it |
| 17:56.42 | brac | seen it before. that's the one. |
| 17:56.42 | findlay | heh |
| 17:56.42 | dataw0lf | It resides in the sewers of Derry. |
| 17:56.54 | graphyx | 846 days |
| 17:56.55 | graphyx | wow |
| 17:57.01 | graphyx | thats quite a look up |
| 17:58.50 | elg | findlay: vim will try to connect to X if display is set whether or not you start gvim (if gui was compiled in) |
| 17:58.54 | elg | so that you can do :gui I think |
| 17:59.12 | elg | usually it fails immediately and gives an error message if DISPLAY is improperly set though |
| 18:22.56 | goozbach | ~ricer |
| 18:23.08 | dataw0lf | ~gentoo |
| 18:23.09 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, gentoo is foo |
| 18:23.50 | findlay | ~grainer |
| 18:24.33 | goozbach | ~wtf ricer |
| 18:24.42 | goozbach | ~dict ricer |
| 18:29.26 | elg | jsmith-away: is there an automagic way to record, review, accept or retry? |
| 18:48.52 | beandog | ibot: gentoo is rice |
| 18:48.54 | ibot | ACTION recompiles is rice again |
| 18:48.59 | beandog | ~gentoo |
| 18:49.00 | ibot | hmm... gentoo is foo |
| 18:49.03 | beandog | meh. |
| 18:50.04 | findlay | ibot: gentoo is also <reply> rice |
| 18:50.06 | ibot | ACTION recompiles is also <reply> rice again |
| 18:50.09 | findlay | hm |
| 18:50.22 | levi | Mmmmm... grilled meat. |
| 18:50.43 | findlay | ~rice levi |
| 18:50.58 | levi | Silly findlay, ricing is for potatoes. |
| 18:51.08 | findlay | ~rice potatoes |
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| 18:53.34 | sjansen | Gibson is a reference to the author of the first Cyberpunk novel: Neuromancer. |
| 18:53.43 | atoponce | http://tech.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1284487.php/John_McCain_learns_lesson_in_online_etiquette |
| 18:53.44 | brac | [John McCain learns lesson in online etiquette - Tech] |
| 18:53.50 | sjansen | William Gibson invented many words we take for granted today, such as cyberspace. |
| 18:54.56 | sjansen | It's really a shame we haven't adopted more of his language. I for one would love to say "I jacked into my deck" instead of "I logged into my computer". |
| 19:03.18 | goozbach | jjjjj:q |
| 19:03.22 | goozbach | doh |
| 19:05.00 | sjansen | ZZ |
| 19:05.02 | jsmith-away | elg: Nope... |
| 19:05.07 | findlay | :e goozbach<CR>kkkkk |
| 19:05.18 | findlay | ~ZZ sjansen |
| 19:05.19 | ibot | ACTION writes and quits sjansen whether findlay liked it or not |
| 19:09.09 | levi | sjansen: You mean you don't say that already? |
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| 19:22.09 | tensai | ~seen redbeard1 |
| 19:22.32 | ibot | redbeard1 <n=redbeard@pollux.northsky.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu-utah, 2h 48m 29s ago, saying: 'it was pretty good up to that point, but i hear it's gotten pretty bad'. |
| 19:23.19 | tensai | where's that good for nuthin' Rachael Ray wanna-be when you need him? |
| 19:28.52 | dataw0lf | it's all about the Sicilian girls. |
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| 19:52.13 | ^Migs^ | I have yet to see any web site that looks better in IE7 than in IE6 |
| 19:53.42 | findlay | ^Migs^: what's different? |
| 19:57.27 | ^Migs^ | That's the point. I can't tell. |
| 19:57.39 | ^Migs^ | And I'm talking about sites that are broken in IE but work in FF |
| 20:05.13 | Tene | ^Migs^: IE7 supports translucency in png images, where IE6 doesn't. |
| 20:05.19 | elg | what is the typographically correct way to say lu`au? as in hawaiian dinner with pigs and chicks |
| 20:05.45 | jsmith | elg: Delicious! |
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| 20:08.00 | mrpull | tensai: i've seen redbeard and I've seen rachael ray. i'd have to say racheal ray is easier on the eyes than redbeard |
| 20:10.51 | goozbach | mrpull: it depends on who you ask |
| 20:11.04 | mrpull | goozbach: does it? |
| 20:11.09 | goozbach | sure |
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| 20:11.35 | goozbach | but no further comment |
| 20:11.46 | mrpull | ah man. i'm just havin' fun. i wont say anything bad about redbeard... at least until he returns |
| 20:11.55 | goozbach | looks like redbeard ran off at 1304 |
| 20:12.00 | goozbach | 1308 |
| 20:12.02 | goozbach | that is |
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| 20:16.49 | rsimpkins | jsmith: you are missing all the MySQL v5 goodness. |
| 20:17.30 | dataw0lf | you mean the MySQL v5 "omg Postgres is completely kicking our butt in database quality" features |
| 20:18.28 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: I've got 180 billion queries to do today, postgres can take their features and eat them. ;P |
| 20:18.34 | dataw0lf | MySQL just rode on PHP's back yelling "Wheeeee!". It was like a tsunami of crap, sweeping the dev world. |
| 20:19.04 | rsimpkins | I'd love to run postgres, if only it wasn't so slow. |
| 20:19.16 | dataw0lf | no wonder you're disillusioned, running 180 billion queries in MySQL would make any man insane. |
| 20:19.38 | Tene | MySQL is faster than postgres for you? What kind of demon-haunted box are you running on? |
| 20:19.44 | beandog | seriously |
| 20:19.52 | jsmith | rsimpkins: I wouldn't call it goodness, based on the test I ran while I was there |
| 20:20.02 | jsmith | rsimpkins: What table types? |
| 20:20.08 | rsimpkins | jsmith: myisam |
| 20:20.10 | jsmith | rsimpkins: InnoDB? MyISAM still? |
| 20:20.32 | rsimpkins | I've done extensive InnoDB testing and have determined it is crap. |
| 20:20.40 | jsmith | rsimpkins: I had all kinds of problems with the old tables in MySQL 5 |
| 20:20.50 | jsmith | rsimpkins: I'd have to dump all the tables and rebuilt them |
| 20:20.54 | rsimpkins | jsmith: We have several thousand servers that are happy with it. |
| 20:21.00 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Good to know |
| 20:21.13 | rsimpkins | jsmith: Had a 2:1 consolidation on some of them. |
| 20:21.56 | Tene | The last time I upgraded a MySQL server, I got a big pile of "null value in column marked NOT NULL" errors. I was told by the mysql community that that was normal and to ignore it. |
| 20:22.13 | dataw0lf | I upgrade 4 to 5 for a client, didn't run into many problems. |
| 20:22.18 | dataw0lf | but the tables were fairly simple. |
| 20:22.34 | Tene | That is to say, on reloading the dump of the database. |
| 20:22.51 | rsimpkins | I really can't stand some of the thins MySQL does honestly, but there is *no doubt* that for the quries we are doing it is very fast. |
| 20:23.10 | dataw0lf | I'm curious about your table structure and queries |
| 20:23.27 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: All fairly simple, but probably 80% of our queries are UPDATEs |
| 20:23.39 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: Another 15% are INSERts |
| 20:24.18 | jsmith | dataw0lf: It's all inserts, and very few selects |
| 20:24.27 | dataw0lf | gotcha |
| 20:24.45 | sjansen | Whew, I'm finally done. I though the old RH253 had alot of info, but the new one has even more. |
| 20:24.53 | sjansen | ~poke tensai |
| 20:24.54 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind tensai, pokes tensai repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 20:24.57 | dataw0lf | yea, we do about 75% reads here and maybe 20% inserts here |
| 20:25.01 | dataw0lf | on MySQL 5 servers |
| 20:25.14 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: Multi or single row selects? |
| 20:25.24 | dataw0lf | multi, for the most part |
| 20:25.32 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: innodb, myisam? |
| 20:25.53 | dataw0lf | myisam |
| 20:26.38 | rsimpkins | Multi row selects are a lot faster with InnoDB, but the management is a PITA. |
| 20:26.44 | dataw0lf | I've noticed. |
| 20:27.22 | rsimpkins | Fortunatly with v5 you can switch engines with ALTER TABLE if and when you need to. |
| 20:27.26 | jsmith | dataw0lf: It's hard enough to do management on large MyISAM tables when they take 12 days to run 'myisamchk' on them |
| 20:27.42 | dataw0lf | jsmith: yea, no kidding. |
| 20:27.56 | dataw0lf | tables were breaking horribly under duress with 4 |
| 20:28.19 | dataw0lf | I've noticed major improvement with 5, though |
| 20:28.41 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Well, it's nice to see that at least parts of my planned upgrade are finally going through |
| 20:30.35 | rsimpkins | jsmith: Yeah, it's nice to be living in 2005 instead of 1999. |
| 20:31.44 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Isn't it, though... no more hacked copies of "pump" to intentionally sleep 20 seconds before grabbing a DHCP address... |
| 20:31.57 | jsmith | rsimpkins: I'll bet the MySQL tables are still counting down instead of up though... |
| 20:32.14 | rsimpkins | jsmith: I don't work in that department. :) |
| 20:32.29 | jsmith | rsimpkins: I know where you work ;-) |
| 20:32.44 | jsmith | rsimpkins: I'm just making idle comments... don't mind me |
| 20:34.07 | rsimpkins | jsmith: I imagine the speaking stuff is going gangbusters for you? |
| 20:34.55 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Yeah, I've got work coming out my ears |
| 20:35.02 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Which is good... |
| 20:35.04 | dataw0lf | I hate when I do a 'wq1' in vim |
| 20:35.28 | jsmith | dataw0lf: What, no ZZ |
| 20:35.47 | Tene | dataw0lf: why would you do 'wq!'? |
| 20:36.02 | Tene | I only ever q! when there's reason to not w |
| 20:36.07 | dataw0lf | I do :wq and hit the 1 along with q |
| 20:36.09 | dataw0lf | all the time |
| 20:36.22 | Tene | ahh |
| 20:36.43 | Tene | Wow. That's a typing mistake I've never had, I'm fairly sure. |
| 20:37.58 | jsmith | dataw0lf: So type ZZ instead, and you'll never hit the 1 key :-) |
| 20:38.01 | dataw0lf | it's not like I have a huge pinkie, or anything. And I rarely make any other typing mistakes |
| 20:38.17 | dataw0lf | I think it has to do with vim and how fast you start editing files. |
| 20:38.23 | Tene | My most common mistake is screwing up the order of ng |
| 20:38.27 | dataw0lf | jsmith: shush, you. I tried using :x and it just wasn't the same |
| 20:38.29 | goozbach | I always hit F1 instead of exc |
| 20:38.32 | goozbach | esc |
| 20:38.47 | goozbach | sep on laptops |
| 20:39.00 | goozbach | when they're so close together |
| 20:39.17 | dataw0lf | I hate typing on laptops, except for my brand new one, which is fairly nice (but ridiculously hefty) |
| 20:41.35 | dilvie__ | I generally love laptop keyboards. |
| 20:41.40 | dilvie__ | I went out and bought a desktop keyboard that was as close as I could find to laptop keyboard action. |
| 20:41.47 | dataw0lf | weird. |
| 20:41.54 | Tene | Me also. The keyboard I use out at my office workstation is very laptop-ish. |
| 20:42.02 | dilvie__ | They require less finger motion. |
| 20:42.07 | dilvie__ | That's a good thing, IMO. |
| 20:42.43 | dilvie__ | Mine also has a nice click. I like to feel it when the key is pressed. A lot of desktop keyboards feel squishy to me. |
| 20:43.01 | dataw0lf | I like medium button resistance. |
| 20:43.03 | dataw0lf | not too hard |
| 20:43.05 | dataw0lf | not too soft |
| 20:43.09 | dataw0lf | yes, I'm goldilocks |
| 20:44.04 | dataw0lf | I'd probably prefer less resistance over more, however. |
| 20:44.25 | dataw0lf | I hate if I hit a key and it doesn't go in. |
| 20:44.54 | mheath_ | 3.89 / 4.00 = A happy mheath. :) |
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| 20:59.48 | findlay | squish buttons are the bane of modern typing |
| 21:01.22 | dataw0lf | give me a standard 104, that has average key resistance, and I'm fine |
| 21:02.30 | dataw0lf | ergonomic keyboards, bleh |
| 21:06.03 | mheath_ | I think the whole concept of a keyboard is archaic... |
| 21:06.21 | mheath_ | It's all directly involved from some 19th century mechanical contraption |
| 21:06.55 | mheath_ | The kind thats so black, and iron, and unpleasantly old looking that it makes you not want to ever be around it except for, perhaps, in a museum. :P |
| 21:09.28 | dataw0lf | perhaps you can distribute your 'one true distro' you were working on a while back with a brand new interface to computers |
| 21:09.32 | findlay | ~mheath brac |
| 21:09.42 | ibot | ACTION impresses brac into the US military. Serve your country, dang it! |
| 21:09.43 | findlay | -chat about mheath is |
| 21:09.43 | brac | mheath is asking for phone calls, though, so I can setup quickly and easily manipulated. |
| 21:09.55 | findlay | -chat about dataw0lf is |
| 21:09.55 | brac | dataw0lf is not a great variety of date |
| 21:10.01 | findlay | hm |
| 21:10.10 | elg | dataw0lf: some linguist on npr yesterday said that we shouldn't call troops troops because you don't call a single soldier a "troop" |
| 21:10.13 | atoponce | interesting |
| 21:10.43 | elg | i thought that was funny |
| 21:10.43 | mheath_ | dataw0lf, Sure. Voice interface. |
| 21:10.44 | findlay | brac is a great mountain of wisdom |
| 21:10.44 | Tene | I'd hate to speak the perl I'm writing right now. |
| 21:10.51 | findlay | -chat about troop is |
| 21:10.51 | brac | troop is |
| 21:11.04 | Tene | Voice is pathetic for text editing. |
| 21:11.08 | jsmith | elg: No, they call them a "trooper" |
| 21:11.50 | mheath_ | Tene, It's making great advances. |
| 21:12.40 | mheath_ | haha |
| 21:12.43 | elg | he claimed it was impersonal. then he compared it to news. there's no plural of news |
| 21:12.51 | elg | er, no singular |
| 21:12.59 | elg | of course there is, it's just called 'story' |
| 21:13.00 | mheath_ | Watching "Walk The Line". The Folsom inmates are basically wearing the same thing I'm wearing right now :) |
| 21:13.07 | dataw0lf | elg: that's ridiculous. |
| 21:13.10 | mheath_ | Heh, the 1970's Folm Prison inmates |
| 21:13.16 | mheath_ | Kinda puts it into perspective. |
| 21:13.17 | Tene | mheath_: you'd rather say "up up up up ten lines back a word back a word back a word back a word change the next word to foo" than the equivalent keypresses? |
| 21:13.20 | elg | dataw0lf: yes, it's insanely ridiculous |
| 21:13.31 | dataw0lf | Apparently said linguist has never been in the military.. |
| 21:13.45 | mheath_ | I'm absolutely pissed off about the new Navy uniforms, though :( |
| 21:14.02 | elg | of course not. too busy nitpicking the words people do and don't use :) |
| 21:14.15 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 21:14.16 | mheath_ | I like them, but I heard a Fleet Master Chief today saying they'll let people wear BDUs off base with the new uniforms |
| 21:14.30 | mheath_ | And that disgusts me. I hate that the air force and army lets their personnel do that. |
| 21:14.55 | mheath_ | Christ, if you're going to go out and eat, don't do it in the same clothing you were just working on a greasy engine in. |
| 21:15.21 | elg | certainly people can decide to change out of greasy clothing before going to eat on their own |
| 21:15.29 | levi | elg: Sounds like a linguist of the prescriptivist variety. |
| 21:15.35 | mheath_ | elg, Sailors are inherently lazy. |
| 21:15.41 | elg | people are |
| 21:15.49 | elg | and some mechanics probably go out to eat in their greasy overalls |
| 21:15.52 | elg | society has survived |
| 21:15.56 | elg | and so have the mechanics |
| 21:16.01 | elg | i bet the navy will too |
| 21:16.20 | dataw0lf | I've eaten an MRE in bloody BDUs. It happens. |
| 21:16.24 | levi | The navy even survived having a Village People song written about it. It's resilient. |
| 21:16.25 | dataw0lf | just don't eat off your uniform. |
| 21:16.31 | dataw0lf | It's called 'washing hands', y'know. |
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| 21:16.39 | dataw0lf | I guess they don't teach that in the Navy. |
| 21:16.42 | mheath_ | dataw0lf, No, I'm talking about authorization to go eat in a nice, sit-down-for-lunch restraunt. |
| 21:16.52 | elg | they do, but he can't tell us about it because it's classified |
| 21:16.58 | sjansen | goozbach: You always hit F1 instead of <esc> because IBM/Lenovo hates Vim users. |
| 21:17.00 | dataw0lf | elg: hehe |
| 21:17.12 | elg | mheath_: mechanics can go to sitdown restaurants too |
| 21:17.28 | levi | mheath_: I hate that you complain about this trivial military crap all the time, but somehow I survive. |
| 21:17.34 | dataw0lf | I'd probably go to a nice restaraunt in dirty BDUs just to piss the restaranteurs off |
| 21:17.37 | dataw0lf | think about it |
| 21:17.46 | dataw0lf | it's not like they can say 'you're not dressed appropriately' |
| 21:17.48 | dataw0lf | think of the uproar |
| 21:17.51 | elg | sjansen: IBM is secretly pushing emacs |
| 21:17.53 | dataw0lf | it'd be awesome. |
| 21:18.02 | levi | elg: How so? |
| 21:18.20 | elg | goozbach: You always hit F1 instead of <esc> because IBM/Lenovo hates Vim users. |
| 21:18.24 | elg | </quote> |
| 21:18.33 | mheath_ | dataw0lf, The Navy is talking abuot struggling to fix and improve their public image. They had a lot of problems with image problems earlier in the century, and they've supposedly be working to improve the public perception of an average sailor. |
| 21:18.56 | mheath_ | Then they pull something like this. |
| 21:18.57 | levi | Heh. |
| 21:19.02 | goozbach | elg: I think so |
| 21:19.25 | mheath_ | I just don't like it, and ontop of that don't think it's useful. |
| 21:19.52 | levi | It's going to be difficult to make a good image out of kids that get cooped up on ships for crazy amounts of time and occasionally get let loose on unsuspecting coastal towns. |
| 21:20.10 | mheath_ | levi: Thats exactly the kind of image their trying to correct |
| 21:20.20 | levi | Good freakin' luck. :) |
| 21:20.29 | mheath_ | And they've come a long ways. It's evolved from the "drunken sailor" mentality. |
| 21:20.49 | mheath_ | People no longer think that your average sailor is some gruff alcoholic. :P |
| 21:21.03 | dataw0lf | I doubt if the quality of one's uniform has as much to with perception as your guys' behavior. |
| 21:21.12 | dataw0lf | and I think your leaders realize that. |
| 21:21.17 | dataw0lf | you probably should too. |
| 21:21.57 | mheath_ | dataw0lf, I'd rather have sailors look like morons in civilian clothes than do so in a uniform thats supposed to be our 'new look', because its 'ok'. |
| 21:22.15 | dataw0lf | I don't think it's your choice. |
| 21:23.27 | dataw0lf | Troop. |
| 21:23.32 | mheath_ | I'm sure its not |
| 21:23.33 | dataw0lf | see, that linguist don't know nothin' |
| 21:23.49 | mheath_ | They're also getting rid of a uniform thats been used for over 100 years, too |
| 21:24.08 | mheath_ | (Utilities - evolved slightly from dunagrees which have been around since the 1800s) |
| 21:24.18 | emcnabb | mheath_: how was last weekends vacation? get drunk and make out with random chicks on the beach? |
| 21:24.36 | dataw0lf | then he saved the world. |
| 21:24.57 | mheath_ | emcnabb, Listened to a girl I'm deeply interested in make love in the next room. |
| 21:25.06 | emcnabb | ouch, that sucks |
| 21:25.11 | lukfugl | ouch |
| 21:25.18 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 21:25.22 | dataw0lf | welcome to the military! |
| 21:25.26 | lukfugl | sounds like a time to shift the attentions elsewhere |
| 21:25.44 | goozbach | nah, just sit here in IRC and pine over her |
| 21:25.52 | dataw0lf | take advantage of her being easy? |
| 21:25.55 | goozbach | make sure we all know everything that's going on as well |
| 21:25.55 | mheath_ | Eh, they were already elsewhere. Theres other situations that would make a relationship not work out, anyway. Still wasn't the best experience (especially because I hate the guy) |
| 21:25.57 | emcnabb | cause we all want to hear about it |
| 21:26.05 | mheath_ | goozbach, heh, I get my car tomorrow |
| 21:26.09 | sjansen | goozbach: I don't think that approach is likely to be very successful. |
| 21:26.10 | mheath_ | You'll all see me less then, I promise |
| 21:26.17 | emcnabb | sure... |
| 21:26.20 | mheath_ | And I start Electronic Fundamentals in a few weeks |
| 21:26.32 | emcnabb | mheath_: when do you get shipped off to sea? |
| 21:26.32 | mheath_ | I've heard thats going to take a TON more hours of studying time :( |
| 21:26.34 | goozbach | sjansen: seems to have worked for me |
| 21:26.36 | dataw0lf | hint: the prongs go in the holes |
| 21:26.41 | mheath_ | emcnabb, Late 2008. |
| 21:26.42 | goozbach | ok not really |
| 21:26.50 | emcnabb | mheath_: I thought we'd never see you again when you joined the Navy |
| 21:26.57 | emcnabb | you had my hopes up! |
| 21:26.59 | dataw0lf | (until you got discharged) |
| 21:27.07 | levi | dataw0lf: Are you talking about electronics or the issues with women? |
| 21:27.15 | sjansen | goozbach: Interesting. I always thought your secret to success was moving to the other end of the continent. |
| 21:27.19 | atoponce | dataw0lf: or 'hurt' :) |
| 21:27.19 | lukfugl | levi: I wasn't sure either |
| 21:27.31 | goozbach | sjansen: that's actually not working out too bad right now |
| 21:27.37 | dataw0lf | thanks levi |
| 21:27.51 | mheath_ | OK, time to go stand watch / study |
| 21:28.04 | mheath_ | You're all rid of me for a bit. |
| 21:28.04 | goozbach | I'm bringing the girl I've been seeing for a while now, home with me in May |
| 21:28.15 | levi | I will make no further attempt at humor along those lines. :) |
| 21:28.25 | goozbach | meet the folks and such |
| 21:28.26 | levi | My work is done here. |
| 21:28.32 | dataw0lf | orange juice and tequila, that hurt |
| 21:29.37 | levi | I'm sure citric acid and alcohol feel quite pleasant in the olfactory passages! |
| 21:30.02 | dataw0lf | that was the funniest thing I've heard all month |
| 21:31.13 | levi | Huh, iTMS is introducing a 'complete my album' feature that lets you download the rest of an album you bought a track or two from at a discounted amount. |
| 21:32.01 | dataw0lf | iTMS? |
| 21:32.18 | dataw0lf | ah, iTunes Music Store. |
| 21:34.26 | bonez39 | is it possible to print an email .. but running it through enscript instead of just printing straight out from mutt? |
| 21:35.32 | spr | in .muttrc: set print_command |
| 21:35.42 | spr | Mine runs through a2ps |
| 21:36.16 | rsimpkins | How to use lots of CPU: http://ryansimpkins.com/rsimpkinslap.png |
| 21:37.06 | lukfugl | redbaron.exe is teh awesome |
| 21:37.15 | lukfugl | how'd you get it running on your box? |
| 21:37.28 | dataw0lf | rsimpkins: what, loading that screenshot? |
| 21:37.35 | rsimpkins | gtk+sopwith |
| 21:37.44 | lukfugl | cool |
| 21:38.31 | rsimpkins | I like what beryl does to my top and bottom bars. |
| 21:38.41 | rsimpkins | I need to figure out how to get transparency on the menu though. |
| 21:38.48 | rsimpkins | But at least there is a shadow. |
| 21:39.32 | emcnabb | rsimpkins: sopwith rocks! |
| 21:39.46 | dataw0lf | rsimpkins: it DOES look purty, I'll give you that. |
| 21:39.53 | dataw0lf | I'll stick with xfce4 for myself though. |
| 21:40.38 | emcnabb | over the last two years I've gotten boring; I use the default settings for Gnome |
| 21:40.49 | emcnabb | I used to have fluxbox all decked out |
| 21:41.39 | dataw0lf | I just want a simplistic interface, 90% of the time I'm in bash anyways. |
| 21:42.22 | dataw0lf | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/ST19AG_WGreymon/Bacom.jpg |
| 21:43.16 | levi | Huh, Dick Cheney to speak at BYU commencement. |
| 21:43.40 | rsimpkins | levi: On the news last night they were saying how some BYU kids are protesting. |
| 21:43.42 | Jayce^ | yup.. all sorts of people in an uproar :) |
| 21:43.53 | rsimpkins | I had to laugh at the stupidity of it all. |
| 21:44.49 | jsmith | Well, he seemed to be a pretty nice guy last time I met him |
| 21:44.56 | jsmith | That was before being VP and all though |
| 21:45.18 | dataw0lf | they should be protesting him |
| 21:45.40 | dataw0lf | war profiteer squared |
| 21:46.29 | goozbach | ~currasco sjansen |
| 21:47.07 | Jayce^ | churrasco :) |
| 21:48.36 | goozbach | hmm maybe I'll go get some foga tomorrow |
| 21:48.47 | sjansen | If you can judge a manager based on results (which seems pretty fair to me), Cheney and Rumsfield have a lot of splain' to do. |
| 21:49.02 | jsmith | dataw0lf: While I don't disagree with you about him being a "profiteer", maybe you should do your homework and find out how he actually got picked to run Haliburton... it's kind of funny. |
| 21:49.14 | dataw0lf | jsmith: I'm not talking about Haliburton |
| 21:49.40 | dataw0lf | I'm talking about him lining his pockets with Army and Marine money by giving the Air Force and Navy choice contracts even though we're now in a land war where we need to secure an area. |
| 21:49.48 | dataw0lf | P'raps, you should do YOUR homework. |
| 21:50.00 | goozbach | I should go home and ride my bike, but today without crashing and bruising a rib |
| 21:50.19 | dataw0lf | A brand spanking new cruise missile or a brand new spanking fighter jet doth not help secure Iraq |
| 21:50.30 | dataw0lf | body armor and hmmwv armor for troops on the ground would be a start, y'know |
| 21:50.39 | goozbach | emcnabb: it was bad yesterday |
| 21:50.55 | emcnabb | goozbach: are you ok? |
| 21:51.02 | goozbach | let's just say I intentionally exceeded my skill level |
| 21:51.10 | goozbach | and suffered the concequences |
| 21:51.20 | sjansen | emcnabb: Sounds gruesome to me. Limbs everywhere. Goatee scrapping across the pavement. Small children pointing and laughing. |
| 21:51.23 | goozbach | bruised rib, dislocated pinky |
| 21:51.41 | jsmith | goozbach: Ouch... |
| 21:52.07 | goozbach | snapped my pinky back in, stood up, dusted myself off, and continued on my way |
| 21:52.19 | goozbach | it didn't hurt much yesterday |
| 21:52.23 | goozbach | but I'm feeling it today |
| 21:52.57 | emcnabb | goozbach: showin' off for a lady? |
| 21:53.01 | goozbach | no |
| 21:53.11 | goozbach | I was all by myself on this back trail |
| 21:53.22 | goozbach | and decided to try going off this ramp. |
| 21:53.25 | goozbach | aparently |
| 21:53.33 | goozbach | I'm not quite ready for ramps yet |
| 21:54.09 | emcnabb | that stinks |
| 21:54.10 | emcnabb | later |
| 21:55.09 | dataw0lf | http://www.amazon.com/Best-American-Political-Writing-2006/dp/1560259124 |
| 21:55.18 | dataw0lf | you guys who're interested in the current administration should read that book |
| 21:55.31 | sjansen | Ouch. I remember when I was 6th grade-ish and I took my mountain bike on a BMX course. Hit one ramp _way_ too fast and flew off the bike. Even though I was wearing jeans, the back tire turned my thigh into hamburger when I landed. |
| 21:56.20 | dataw0lf | sjansen: a mountain bike on a BMX course? |
| 21:56.24 | dataw0lf | crikey |
| 21:56.33 | dataw0lf | lil too heavy, my friend |
| 21:57.36 | sjansen | dataw0lf: Sure, now you tell me. Where were you in the 80's when I needed you? |
| 21:57.46 | dataw0lf | kindergarten |
| 21:58.17 | rsimpkins | I love the BSOD screen saver. My cube-neighbor has been thinking my laptop has been broken for days. :) |
| 21:58.24 | beandog | heh |
| 21:58.25 | beandog | that one is great. |
| 21:58.42 | dataw0lf | y'know, I think they have a BSOD screen saver for Vista |
| 21:58.50 | dataw0lf | oh, wait, maybe my laptop is just broken |
| 21:58.53 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 21:59.50 | emcnabb | sjansen: haha, you rode a bike once? yeah right |
| 22:00.07 | dataw0lf | yea, in '6th grade' |
| 22:00.09 | sjansen | emcnabb: I thought you were leaving. |
| 22:00.19 | dataw0lf | I thought the bicycle was invented in the late 1800s |
| 22:00.24 | emcnabb | sjansen: I was saying later to goozbach |
| 22:01.03 | dataw0lf | the blood of innocents will only prolong your life for so long, sjansen |
| 22:01.09 | emcnabb | dataw0lf: sjansen huffs and puffs to get out of his chair; I can't imagine him on a bike |
| 22:01.14 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 22:01.21 | sjansen | Uh huh, sure. Admit it, you were missing mheath. Under the cool, sarcastic exterior you're deeply co-dependent aren't you? |
| 22:01.23 | dataw0lf | he huffs and puffs on PLUG, too. |
| 22:01.24 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 22:01.25 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 22:01.59 | emcnabb | sjansen: ? |
| 22:02.08 | dataw0lf | he's saying you love mheath |
| 22:02.13 | dataw0lf | ~love mheath |
| 22:02.15 | ibot | If you love mheath so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 22:03.16 | emcnabb | sjansen: I don't want to interfere with you and mheath_'s "friendship" |
| 22:05.43 | sjansen | _Very_ cool. |
| 22:05.52 | Jayce^ | sadsjansen |
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| 22:52.08 | nick125_lappy | What I'd like to do is have it use ldap as primary authentication source, if it can't connect (let's say I have my laptop somewhere else), it'll fail over to shadow |
| 22:52.29 | tensai | nick125_lappy: that's straightforward |
| 22:52.48 | tensai | just a config setting in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 22:52.55 | nick125_lappy | I might even try to mount my home directories over NFS |
| 22:53.02 | nick125_lappy | That might be a bit much though |
| 22:53.04 | nick125_lappy | *shrugs* |
| 22:53.04 | tensai | oh, and in the pam config |
| 22:53.22 | tensai | on a laptop? I wouldn't. I use unison. |
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| 23:04.35 | rsimpkins | nick125_lappy: NFS is evil. |
| 23:04.46 | nick125_lappy | What should I use? Samba? |
| 23:05.05 | rsimpkins | nick125_lappy: I dunno, but NFS is eveeeellll, just so you know. |
| 23:05.34 | dataw0lf | on Linux, anyways. |
| 23:05.43 | dataw0lf | on Unix, still one of the better solutions. |
| 23:05.57 | nick125_lappy | I've experienced some issues with NFS |
| 23:05.59 | rsimpkins | nick125_lappy: yeah, use BSD if you wanna use NFS, or solaris or something. |
| 23:06.19 | nick125_lappy | I won't say what they nickname solaris these days :-) |
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| 23:40.43 | Tene | http://www.stokely.com/lighter.side/whos.on.what.html |
| 23:40.45 | brac | [who(1)'s on what(1)?] |
| 23:52.56 | sontek | spr: what time is uug |
| 23:53.08 | spr | Thursday, 7:30pm |
| 23:53.33 | *** join/#utah TheSiege (n=ss@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 23:53.37 | sontek | Thanks, see ya tonight! |
| 23:53.46 | TheSiege | anyone a electrician in here? |
| 23:56.23 | mheath_ | TheSiege, training to be one :P |
| 23:56.33 | TheSiege | really? |
| 23:56.36 | mheath_ | Yes. |
| 23:56.43 | TheSiege | can i PM you? |
| 23:56.57 | mheath_ | I have no idea if I'll be able to answer your question, but sure. |
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| 23:57.40 | sontek | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&saddr=240+Morris+Ave,+Salt+Lake+City,+UT+84115&daddr=BYU&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=25.299514,58.710937&layer=&ie=UTF8&z=3&om=1 look at #26 |
| 23:58.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 23:58.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Anything from the US to the UK lists "Swim across the Atlantic" somewhere in there |
| 23:58.42 | sontek | :D |
| 23:58.58 | ScytheBlade1 | It should be noted that the estimated time to drive includes the average speed across the routes in question... that includes the step to swim the atlantic |
| 23:59.04 | sontek | I just didn't expect them to be so accurate =) |
| 23:59.30 | ScytheBlade1 | If you find the directions from Utah to the last part of the US soil |
| 23:59.33 | ScytheBlade1 | It's 1 day 11 hours |
| 23:59.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Note that the total there is 30 days ;) |
| 23:59.51 | mheath_ | Swimming how fast, I wonder? |
| 23:59.53 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a long time swimming ;) |
