| 00:22.26 | mheath | Grrrrr. |
| 00:39.09 | mheath | When whats supposed to be an amazing well deserved weekend off turns into complete crap, I am NOT HAPPY. |
| 00:40.11 | Sargun | About how much radiation leaks out of a nuclear weapon. |
| 00:40.27 | mrpull- | mheath: what could be so bad? |
| 00:40.27 | Sargun | its alpha radiation because they use U-235, right? |
| 00:40.44 | mheath | mrpull-: I deserved it. I should have realized the situation would turn out bad |
| 00:40.47 | Sargun | I assume they use a decent radiation shield. |
| 00:41.01 | mheath | Sargun, None. |
| 00:41.15 | mheath | Erm, well, negligible amounts |
| 00:41.42 | mheath | I know i work outside of the shielded area of a Nuclear Reactor, which has much more radiation than a nuclear weapon |
| 00:41.51 | Sargun | well, it would look like a standard chunk of machinery to a Geiger counter, right? |
| 00:42.12 | mheath | And I've been told (Haven't been through official classes on the subject yet; wouldn't be able to talk about those) that I get less radiation exposure there than I would get from natural radiation from the sun being outside. |
| 00:42.41 | Sargun | mheath, Do they use the same shielding on nuclear weapons, that they use on reactors? |
| 00:43.07 | mheath | Sargun, yes, I believe so. Again, I'm basing this on prior knowledge/educated assumptions. I haven't received any training in any of this yet. |
| 00:43.17 | mheath | (That yes goes for both questions) |
| 00:43.32 | mheath | mrpull-: Went to Myrtle Beach this weekend with some friends. |
| 00:44.06 | Sargun | The miniaturized nukes seem to be too small to have adequate shielding. |
| 00:44.20 | mrpull- | sounds like fun. isn't it pretty there? |
| 00:44.27 | mheath | Went with a girl I'm interested in (with the current situation, I could never get in a relationship with her, but I'm still interested) and some other guys. I knew she was interested in one of the other guys. |
| 00:45.27 | mheath | Her "being interested" in one of the other guys turned into me having trouble sleeping because they were making too much noise in the room over (fill in the blanks). |
| 00:45.34 | Sargun | :-( |
| 00:45.39 | Sargun | mheath, I'm sorry for you. |
| 00:45.52 | mrpull- | Doh! |
| 00:45.55 | mrpull- | that's a bad deal. |
| 00:46.20 | mheath | Like I said, I could never myself have a relationship with her. But, I really didn't like being around them flirting with each other, etc. especially when I hate the other guy. |
| 00:46.21 | Sargun | I'm sure there are better girls out there for you. |
| 00:46.27 | brac | I'm sure you get in shape again. |
| 00:46.31 | mrpull- | oh well. that is obviously not a viable relationship |
| 00:46.42 | mheath | But, I knew they were both being there. I should have recognized the situation and not gone. |
| 00:46.54 | mheath | mrpull-: Other than that, Myrtle Beach was really nice. |
| 00:47.24 | mheath | I had an excellent dinner last night. Clam Chowder, fresh crab legs, and some amazing chocolate cake. |
| 00:48.00 | Sargun | how did you know what was going to happen, I mean, it depends how fast a relationship advances only depends on what, randomness? well, maturity, etc, but you are not expected to be perceptive when you're attracted to someone. |
| 00:48.19 | Sargun | Sounds like that was a tasty meal. |
| 00:48.57 | mheath | Heh, that was the first spontaneous trip I've ever really been on |
| 00:49.07 | mheath | All of my previous 'vacations' have been overplanned family trips |
| 00:49.49 | mheath | This was like...a couple days in advance, decide to go. We didn't even have a hotel booked; I'm glad we found one to book, because I overlooked the fact that everyone was under 21 and most hotels don't book to < 21 yrs. |
| 00:50.10 | Sargun | mheath, Relationship wise, are you going to do anything? |
| 00:50.59 | mheath | Sargun, No. |
| 00:52.19 | Sargun | Then I would advise you to attempt to prevent yourself from being attracted to such individuals before you let your male instincts get the better of you. |
| 00:52.26 | brac | Then I realize....I grabbed the new customs place at Pearson yet |
| 00:54.29 | mheath | OK, first, I know I was venting and probably shouldn't have brought this up in the first place (I really have been trying to stay on topic), but when I abruptly change the subject to things I enjoyed, It does not mean PLEASE, Sargun! Let's keep talking about THIS! |
| 00:55.03 | mheath | Second, I'm attracted to attractive people. Thats how those two words work together, you see. I can't 'prevent myself' from being attracted to people I'm attracted to. |
| 00:55.34 | Sargun | Sure, I just needed to throw in my two cents, and avoiding them works also... |
| 00:56.05 | mheath | Third, I KNOW that the situation wouldn't work out. HENCE THE REASON I never tried to date her. We're in the same class; by policy one of us would have to be rolled back a class to date, and also statistically 100% of the relationships started between Nukes don't work out. |
| 00:56.09 | brac | I KNOW screen very well for me to switch back now |
| 00:56.33 | Sargun | mheath, Nuclear reactors is your field of work, isn't it? |
| 00:56.35 | Sargun | not Nukes... |
| 00:56.55 | Sargun | Anyways, yeah, that's a good idea not to start a relationship. |
| 00:57.55 | mheath | Erm, need to yell a little louder, because thats what the whole Navy calls us. |
| 00:58.40 | Sargun | oh |
| 00:58.47 | Sargun | I thought you meant, er, never mind. |
| 00:58.54 | Sargun | I thought you meant something else... |
| 00:58.59 | mheath | It's even a verb. Don't nuke "Nuke", OK? |
| 00:59.20 | Sargun | heh, I'm sorry dude, I didn't understand. |
| 01:00.19 | mheath | OK, heres my bit of wisdom for the night: Leaders! If you tell people you're going to implement some change that effects them starting NOW, don't decide to implement it retroactively and tell no one. |
| 01:01.49 | Sargun | mheath, have you driven into LA? |
| 01:02.07 | mheath | Yes, I have, but was that have to do with anything? |
| 01:05.58 | brac | LA is retroactive |
| 01:07.06 | mheath | What? |
| 01:33.50 | Supaplex | anyone see this issue in FC? http://rafb.net/p/kVNFbj33.html yum trips on bad checksums. |
| 01:36.08 | emcnabb | mheath: my wife was just reading through the last hour or two of #utah logs, and she commented "this mheath guys spills his guts like a teenage girl at a sleepover" |
| 01:37.01 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 01:37.51 | mrpull- | emcnabb: i'm not sure if I'm impressed or scared that your wife is reading irc logs |
| 01:37.55 | *** join/#utah jsmith (n=jsmith@000-193-159.area3.spcsdns.net) |
| 01:43.16 | emcnabb | mrpull-: she's just looking over my shoulder |
| 01:43.30 | emcnabb | she's joined #utah a few times in the past |
| 01:43.36 | brac | she's joined #utah a few before finding that I've been gone so long |
| 01:51.05 | mheath | emcnabb, I agree. |
| 01:51.11 | mheath | emcnabb, I'm commenting on really stupid, trivial things |
| 01:51.35 | mheath | And I wouldn't even comment on things like that, except I'm venting because I do have alot of other more serious, legitimate things on my mind. |
| 02:02.27 | mheath | Man, my stupid Nikon camear |
| 02:02.29 | mheath | *camera |
| 02:02.40 | mheath | Can't adjust the exposure speed, but it kicks up to some insane amount for dark pictures |
| 02:02.53 | mheath | I was trying to take a nighttime skyline picture up at Myrtle Beach |
| 02:03.32 | mheath | I was looking at the meta info for the pictures and realized why it was getting blurry if I bumped the camera at all: it was setting itself to a 2 second shutter speed :P |
| 02:14.31 | mheath | Hmm, can anyone recommend a photosharing website? |
| 02:16.26 | levi_home | Lots of people seem to like Flickr. |
| 02:16.48 | mheath | I was looking at flickr. Actually, right after I asked that I found PicasaWeb |
| 02:17.39 | mheath | I like the idea of using Google's Picasa to batch-resize and autoupload, rather than doing the resizing by hand and using some form to upload to a site like flickr |
| 02:17.39 | levi_home | Is there some way to take reasonable pictures at low-light levels without using long exposures? |
| 02:17.50 | mheath | levi: Flash, ISO speed, and aperature all factor into it. |
| 02:18.16 | mheath | They all have their pros and cons. I just dislike how this particular camera tries to accomodate low light situations. |
| 02:18.31 | mheath | (That being said, when I did set the camera down to take the picture, I ended up with an AMAZING picture) |
| 02:18.46 | levi_home | Well, a flash won't do anything for a landscape picture and you can't exactly increase the speed of the sensor. |
| 02:19.08 | mheath | Yes, you can. |
| 02:19.15 | mheath | Digital cameras do simulated ISO speeds. |
| 02:19.26 | levi_home | Well, somewhat. |
| 02:19.36 | mheath | Keep in mind, CCDs are really only limited by the speed of light (not exactly, but basically) |
| 02:19.45 | mheath | Whereas traditional film is limited by the speed of a chemical reaction |
| 02:19.59 | mheath | Simulating a full range of ISO speeds is very possible with a digital camera |
| 02:20.08 | levi_home | In my experience, low-light CCD pictures without long exposures are incredibly grainy. |
| 02:20.45 | mheath | Well, eys. |
| 02:20.46 | mheath | *yes |
| 02:20.47 | jsmith | mheath: Some people like Zooomr better than Flickr and PicasaWeb, fwiw |
| 02:20.52 | brac | Some people on this server." |
| 02:20.54 | mheath | Slow ISO speds do that |
| 02:22.20 | levi_home | Being mad at a non-adjustable camera for trying to get a decent picture out of a situation seems silly. |
| 02:25.37 | levi_home | My wife's grandfather's stepdaughters have succeeded in getting rid of him. They moved into his home, kept him from receiving any visitors or phone calls, and set up a rope for him to trip on. Now he's in a care facility with terminal injuries. |
| 02:26.15 | mrpull- | levi_home: sounds criminal. are you serious? |
| 02:27.11 | levi_home | mrpull-: Yup. He's apparently pretty mad, but no one close to him seems to have the energy to do anything about it. |
| 02:27.39 | mrpull- | they literally set up a tripwire to injure him? |
| 02:27.52 | levi_home | They claim it was to keep the dogs in. |
| 02:28.08 | levi_home | Which is a pretty ridiculous claim. |
| 02:28.32 | levi_home | They've also been spreading rumors that he has dementia, but his doctor disagrees. |
| 02:29.08 | mrpull- | i sorry for your grandpa, and sorry that you have to deal with crappy family members |
| 02:30.51 | levi_home | Well, my only involvement in this affair so far has been my wife telling me about it. I don't think I've even met him. But it's still pretty upsetting that people would do something like that. |
| 02:32.10 | levi_home | I've looked up some info about elder abuse and the sort of laws that exist regarding it, but I don't know what else I can do. |
| 02:40.11 | elg | that stinks |
| 02:41.16 | mheath | http://picasaweb.google.com/Mike.Thomas.Heath/MyrtleBeach |
| 02:41.22 | mheath | Look at the last picture (the nightscape one) |
| 02:48.15 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net) |
| 03:00.45 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net) |
| 03:05.42 | *** join/#utah Newsome (n=sorenson@mnch-static-02-098.dsl.iowatelecom.net) |
| 03:05.59 | *** join/#utah zerdith (n=zerdith@66-188-62-36.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) |
| 03:10.32 | Sargun | So, I need some help guys |
| 03:10.36 | Sargun | I need to ask some |
| 03:10.42 | Sargun | one to prom |
| 03:10.49 | Sargun | well, not someone, my girlfriend. |
| 03:16.06 | *** join/#utah goozbach (n=goozbach@brooks.netradius.com) |
| 03:18.20 | levi_home | So, call her up. |
| 03:21.17 | brailsmt | seems straightforward to me... |
| 03:36.22 | Sargun | Uh, I need a cute way of asking her. |
| 03:36.43 | mrpull- | You previously indicated you wanted your federal tax refund deposited into your bank account. |
| 03:36.44 | mrpull- | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.44 | mrpull- | direct Deposit is free, easy and you’ll get your refund faster -- in as little as 9 days when you e-file. |
| 03:36.44 | mrpull- | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.44 | mrpull- | is this correct? |
| 03:36.44 | mrpull- | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.51 | Sargun | Whoa, |
| 03:37.03 | mrpull- | doh.... i didn't realize that other part got pasted in to this window |
| 03:37.10 | mrpull- | thank goodness it wasn't sensitive |
| 03:37.10 | Sargun | mrpull-, No, she has stated she wants me to ask her in a cute way. |
| 03:37.31 | mrpull- | but read that and ask yourself which statement they are asking is correct |
| 03:37.35 | mrpull- | silly turbotax |
| 03:38.03 | Sargun | Improper grammar, you'll |
| 03:38.06 | Sargun | well |
| 03:38.08 | Sargun | spelling really. |
| 03:38.15 | mrpull- | Sargun: the only thing you need to be creative is asking for is a hand in marriage |
| 03:38.26 | mrpull- | and even then, it should be simple |
| 03:38.41 | Sargun | that seems easier, or slightly easier |
| 03:38.51 | mrpull- | girls who think you should spend a hundred bucks and a weekend of pain asking them to prom aren't worth your time |
| 03:39.11 | mrpull- | then again, at your age, girls aren't worth your time anyway |
| 03:39.15 | Sargun | no, I maximally spend 100 a month.. |
| 03:40.23 | *** join/#utah neybar (n=jalance@209.210.190.233) |
| 03:42.26 | Sargun | I'm graduating at the end of the year. |
| 03:42.26 | levi_home | Sargun: Well, I refused to ever do any 'clever' date asking, but one way I saw used frequently was to put a note in one balloon from a bouquet of balloons. |
| 03:42.26 | Sargun | This will be my only prom. |
| 03:43.08 | Sargun | do they have alphabet cereal? |
| 03:44.04 | brailsmt | Sargun: just set up an annoyingly long treasure hunt, when she gets to the end, have the final clue be to have her ask you to prom :) |
| 03:44.08 | brailsmt | seems clever to me |
| 03:44.09 | brailsmt | :) |
| 03:44.17 | Sargun | lol |
| 03:44.39 | brailsmt | and it you could do it for less than $5 |
| 03:44.58 | brailsmt | you get extra points for making her drive all over town |
| 03:45.05 | mrpull- | Sargun: on the treasure hunt note... if you have gpsr you could go geocaching |
| 03:45.09 | mrpull- | and find an invite |
| 03:45.27 | brailsmt | one clue in payson, one in alpine, the next one in eagle mountain, then the next one at bridal veil falls :) |
| 03:45.50 | mrpull- | brailsmt: dang... you could run up the gas bill to exceed the dress bill |
| 03:46.14 | brailsmt | call it passive aggressive creative date asking |
| 03:46.14 | brailsmt | :) |
| 03:46.22 | Sargun | haha |
| 03:48.20 | brailsmt | the only school dance i ever went to in high school, involved me asking a girl who was a cheerleader at another school, so my freinds took a king size sheet and spray painted the question on the sheet, we then went to one of her football games, and unvelied the sign at the top of the bleachers... :D |
| 03:48.59 | brailsmt | that was for homecoming... |
| 03:48.59 | brailsmt | anyway... |
| 03:49.15 | brailsmt | err... my freinds *and I* |
| 03:49.59 | Sargun | lol |
| 03:50.05 | Sargun | That's nifty. |
| 03:50.37 | brailsmt | the actual dance sucked though... |
| 03:52.18 | Sargun | Aw. |
| 03:52.36 | Sargun | was after the dance fun? |
| 03:52.48 | brailsmt | and i must underscore that that stunt caused me to miss a major rivalry game, my high school versus the #12 USA Today team at the time... we lost, 13-0, but then we got a rematch in the quarter finals and beat them 21-0 and went on to win the state championship :) |
| 03:53.09 | brailsmt | it was our only loss... if only I had been there... |
| 03:53.22 | brailsmt | *oh well* that was 15 years ago :) |
| 03:54.03 | Sargun | brailsmt, your 30-34? |
| 03:54.08 | brailsmt | 32 |
| 03:54.13 | Sargun | married? |
| 03:54.13 | brailsmt | it was 1992 |
| 03:54.16 | brailsmt | yes, with kids |
| 03:54.19 | levi_home | brailsmt: If you'd been there, you would have had to see them lose! ;) |
| 03:54.22 | Sargun | ouch. |
| 03:54.25 | brailsmt | different girl :) |
| 03:54.29 | Sargun | heh |
| 03:54.51 | brailsmt | levi_home: no, my cheering would have been the difference between win or lose :) |
| 03:55.13 | brailsmt | that is clear since I made every other game, and we never lost those... |
| 03:55.33 | brailsmt | 15-1, and the 1 is the only one i missed, it was clearly my fault |
| 04:05.03 | Sargun | brailsmt, were you a cheerleader? |
| 04:10.13 | *** join/#utah b0xii (n=justin@cpe-70-116-72-87.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 04:12.47 | rsimpkins | I'm not sure I'd enjoy going with a girl that expected some elaborate plan to ask her out. |
| 04:12.54 | brailsmt | Sargun: no, just rabid fan |
| 04:13.06 | Sargun | oh |
| 04:13.46 | Sargun | After a sleep over have ?Will you go to prom with me? written in alphabet cereal on the table |
| 04:13.49 | Sargun | what about that? |
| 04:14.02 | brailsmt | i agree with most others... some perspective on the *real* importance of the whole situation |
| 04:14.06 | rsimpkins | I think it depends on how well you know her. |
| 04:14.20 | *** join/#utah TimRiker (n=timr@rikers.org) |
| 04:14.20 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 04:14.36 | Sargun | She said she'd prefer it, but she'd be ok with phone. |
| 04:14.49 | rsimpkins | Well, then take the cue if you like her. |
| 04:14.49 | Sargun | or in real life. |
| 04:15.07 | Sargun | basically I've got her, but she'd want a nice way of asking. |
| 04:15.08 | rsimpkins | So you basically have already asked her, but you are just doing an 'official' thing? |
| 04:15.26 | rsimpkins | Yeah, many girls like to feel important/special. |
| 04:15.41 | brailsmt | i once wrote a letter which was about a page long and which was an encrypted message asking a girl on a date... the clues to unravel the message where in the letter... it completely stumped her... :) |
| 04:15.46 | rsimpkins | She wants to feel like you really want to be with her, and what not. |
| 04:16.18 | rsimpkins | brailsmt: Girls tend to want cute, not smart. ;) |
| 04:16.20 | brailsmt | you could set up a web page with the message |
| 04:16.27 | Sargun | brailsmt, Been there done that (for both) |
| 04:16.38 | Sargun | Encrypted message with this girl |
| 04:16.40 | Sargun | web page |
| 04:16.42 | Sargun | with other girl |
| 04:16.47 | brailsmt | but not this one? |
| 04:16.48 | brailsmt | :) |
| 04:17.00 | brailsmt | *nudge* |
| 04:17.05 | Sargun | lol |
| 04:17.52 | rsimpkins | Sargun: Dude, she wants cute. Get some of your friends together, go to her house, sing her a song in which you ask her out. that is cute. |
| 04:18.32 | brailsmt | send her a dozen yellow roses... ...oh wait, wrong message |
| 04:18.37 | rsimpkins | Sargun: Video tape it so she can watch the 'cute' moment over and over again. |
| 04:19.02 | brailsmt | video tape yourself asking her, and put it on youtube |
| 04:22.28 | brailsmt | shave the question into your hair |
| 04:22.28 | Sargun | haha |
| 04:22.28 | Sargun | brailsmt, I like that idea |
| 04:22.29 | brailsmt | get some stencil letters, go tanning, and tan the message into your chest... |
| 04:22.29 | brailsmt | which could be gross, depending on your build... :) |
| 04:22.31 | Sargun | ew. |
| 04:22.31 | brailsmt | ooohh.... belch the message |
| 04:22.31 | brailsmt | posibilities are endless... |
| 04:22.51 | sontek | take her out to eat and order desert and have it spelled out on the pie |
| 04:22.57 | Sargun | brailsmt, I already have a dark complexion, I can't tan. |
| 04:23.06 | Sargun | sontek, Oooh! A normal person =P! |
| 04:23.11 | brac | take her out after a ward family night and day difference here. |
| 04:23.30 | brailsmt | write it on your forehead and go pick her up for a regular date, and see how long it takes for her to see it... |
| 04:23.40 | Sargun | lol |
| 04:25.40 | sontek | you could make a fun search out of, text message her "meet me at the park, near ..." and then have a sign leading somewhere else |
| 04:25.46 | sontek | until she finally gets to you holding roses |
| 04:25.47 | brailsmt | take her to some restaurant and have them sing happy birthday to her, then when she is done being embarrassed, seraade her yourself, then ask her |
| 04:26.11 | Sargun | sontek, We live about 50 minutes from each other |
| 04:26.41 | brailsmt | girls like to be seranaded, and you get bonus points for doing it publicly :) |
| 04:26.56 | brailsmt | especially if you can't sing a lick |
| 04:27.24 | brailsmt | making a fool of yourself to show her how much you love her, always goes over well |
| 04:28.50 | sontek | take her to a bar and get her sloppy drunk and then pop the question |
| 04:28.54 | sontek | ;) |
| 04:28.58 | brailsmt | anyway, i'm not cool anymore, so all my ideas can porbably be filed under the "old guy that has been married for 10 years and has no clue how to ask girls on dates anymore" category |
| 04:29.11 | brailsmt | :) |
| 04:29.19 | brailsmt | back to ray tracing :) |
| 04:31.04 | Sargun | sontek, haha, nooo.. |
| 04:49.19 | brailsmt | write a javascript app that will popup endless windows with the question |
| 04:51.25 | Sargun | lol |
| 05:12.43 | *** join/#utah bonez41 (n=aint@c-24-10-146-77.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 05:28.42 | brailsmt | whee... nothing like refactoring a file with lots of class declarations to a bunch of files each with one or two class decls... |
| 06:25.10 | *** join/#utah goozbach (n=goozbach@brooks.netradius.com) |
| 07:31.09 | *** join/#utah b0xii_ (n=justin@cpe-70-116-72-87.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 07:34.22 | *** join/#utah harleypig (n=harleypi@160.7.237.70) |
| 07:42.15 | *** part/#utah harleypig (n=harleypi@160.7.237.70) |
| 08:47.11 | *** join/#utah dilvie (n=chatzill@c-67-169-243-184.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 11:46.43 | *** join/#utah jsmith (n=jsmith@000-193-159.area3.spcsdns.net) |
| 12:42.57 | *** join/#utah ibot (i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt) |
| 12:42.57 | *** topic/#utah is The channel for OSS discussion in Utah | http://www.plug.org/node/28 | Utah Open Source Conference - September 6-8, 2007 | Get off my lawn you stupid kids! |
| 12:42.57 | *** mode/#utah [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 12:43.10 | graphyx | run! |
| 12:46.04 | *** join/#utah pmcnabb (n=peter@c-24-10-165-203.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 12:47.46 | Supaplex | man it's too early for this morning stuff. |
| 12:51.41 | jsmith | ~wake Supaplex |
| 12:51.52 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on Supaplex and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 12:52.02 | Supaplex | neyahwyahaa! |
| 13:25.24 | *** part/#utah b0xii_ (n=justin@cpe-70-116-72-87.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 14:12.32 | *** join/#utah spr (n=spr@c-71-195-212-252.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 14:19.08 | findlay | hello |
| 14:30.34 | *** join/#utah thaddeusq (n=thaddeus@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com) |
| 14:31.56 | *** join/#utah sontek (n=sontek@208-47-173-164.dia.static.qwest.net) |
| 14:52.06 | emcnabb | hello |
| 15:08.22 | findlay | ~echo emcnabb |
| 15:11.09 | *** join/#utah lukfugl (n=lukfugl@dsl092-197-124.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 15:15.57 | elg | -lart lukfugl |
| 15:16.14 | lukfugl | -tetanus lukfugl |
| 15:16.30 | *** join/#utah wps (n=wps@67.108.236.230.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 15:20.58 | *** join/#utah neybar (n=jalance@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 15:21.21 | elg | last day to apply for Summer of Code |
| 15:21.30 | emcnabb | elg: you applying? |
| 15:21.31 | elg | deadline is 1700 PDT |
| 15:21.37 | elg | I put in an application for bzflag |
| 15:21.46 | elg | headless AI framework |
| 15:21.55 | emcnabb | elg: Andrew did that recently |
| 15:22.04 | emcnabb | it was accepted upstream |
| 15:22.22 | emcnabb | elg: or something along those lines |
| 15:22.28 | elg | then why did they have it on the ideas page? |
| 15:22.40 | elg | maybe I'll be working on his code :) |
| 15:22.44 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 15:22.56 | emcnabb | elg: you should talk to him |
| 15:23.01 | brac | you should never ever ever use a command-line to compile? |
| 15:23.06 | elg | i did put "I know people who have gone at least half way" on my app |
| 15:23.08 | emcnabb | brac: shut up |
| 15:23.34 | elg | because I know they did something hackish along those lines at BYU the semester after I took 470 |
| 15:23.50 | emcnabb | elg: they cleaned it up and submitted it |
| 15:23.56 | elg | my headless AI framework will be controlled via OSC so you can drive it with an agent in $language |
| 15:24.18 | elg | amcnabb. guess he's not here |
| 15:24.42 | graphyx | My wife bought me a radial arm saw for $90 at a yard sale this last weekend |
| 15:24.51 | graphyx | a good name brand one as well |
| 15:24.52 | elg | bad news graphyx |
| 15:25.01 | elg | now you're gonna have to cut stuff |
| 15:25.16 | graphyx | I was doing it with my skill saw already |
| 15:25.23 | graphyx | so now it looks a ton better |
| 15:25.28 | elg | in that case |
| 15:25.31 | findlay | ~shut up brac |
| 15:25.46 | elg | now you can build a model airplane |
| 15:25.46 | elg | or maybe an ultralight |
| 15:25.53 | graphyx | Wish I had had that when I was putting in the snap lock laminate flooping last year |
| 15:26.06 | graphyx | straight cuts help |
| 15:26.10 | findlay | heh |
| 15:26.18 | graphyx | elg: An ultralight would be awesome!!!!! |
| 15:26.48 | graphyx | except one of my pilot buddies suggested that they can be dangeroul |
| 15:27.00 | *** join/#utah TimRiker (n=timr@216.49.181.128) |
| 15:27.00 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 15:27.06 | graphyx | says a friend got crippled when a wind blew him into a tree. |
| 15:27.12 | elg | ~welcome timriker |
| 15:27.15 | ibot | [all in unison] Hi, timriker! |
| 15:27.20 | findlay | well, there's no trees out here :) |
| 15:27.41 | graphyx | Well I am in Arkansas currently. |
| 15:27.42 | elg | graphyx: wind strong enough to blow pilot into tree: either freak accident or dumb pilot (don't go up on windy days) |
| 15:28.46 | elg | i take that back. it's all dumb pilot. you don't fly next to trees whether or not it's windy |
| 15:29.06 | findlay | or power lines |
| 15:29.18 | findlay | or nuclear reactors |
| 15:29.23 | elg | flying is risky, but as opposed to many things (like driving your car) almost all the risks are manageable |
| 15:29.29 | findlay | or erupting volcanoes |
| 15:29.30 | graphyx | ok |
| 15:29.33 | elg | and so, if you're careful and smart, it's one of the safest things you can do |
| 15:29.38 | graphyx | or tidal waves |
| 15:29.51 | graphyx | flying close to tidal waves is a bad idea. |
| 15:29.54 | findlay | or huge flocks of birds |
| 15:30.06 | elg | we used to tell people when I was a river guide, the drive up to the river is the most dangerous part of the trip if you listen to the safety instructions |
| 15:30.10 | elg | and it's true |
| 15:30.20 | graphyx | small rocks, very small rocks. |
| 15:30.23 | graphyx | A duck!!!!! |
| 15:30.45 | graphyx | She'- a witch! |
| 15:31.01 | graphyx | s/-/s/ |
| 15:31.45 | graphyx | that s/ was all typed with my left pinky with my dvorak keyboard. |
| 15:32.04 | graphyx | rather odd |
| 15:32.12 | elg | emcnabb: will amcnabb be on today? |
| 15:32.18 | graphyx | kind like ls -l but you get used to it. |
| 15:32.30 | elg | i still have time to amend my proposal and I'd like to chat with him about it |
| 15:33.06 | graphyx | so pmcnabb, how does it feel to be the only ?mcnabb with a consonant? |
| 15:33.14 | *** join/#utah bonez39 (n=bonez@c-71-195-250-0.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 15:33.39 | elg | consonantipated |
| 15:33.46 | *** join/#utah ^Migs^ (n=migs@205.122.50.69) |
| 15:34.17 | dataw0lf | http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/26/apple-tv-os-loosed-into-the-wilds/ |
| 15:34.19 | brac | [Apple TV OS loosed into the wilds - Engadget] |
| 15:34.46 | elg | apple tv - that's the one for insanely rich idiots right? |
| 15:36.13 | jsmith | elg: Not if we can get Asterisk onto it ;-) |
| 15:36.43 | elg | but didn't it cost a whole boatload of gold? |
| 15:37.01 | jsmith | Couple hundred bucks |
| 15:37.03 | levi | Um, I don't think the Apple TV is incredibly expensive. It's the iPhone that's really expensive. |
| 15:37.13 | jsmith | elg: Yeah, listen to levi |
| 15:37.17 | elg | maybe I'm remembering something else |
| 15:37.26 | lukfugl | Apple TV is a set-top box, not a full TV |
| 15:37.39 | elg | oh yes, it was some fire truck TV that cost like 2k |
| 15:37.44 | elg | for the kid's room |
| 15:37.52 | elg | guess i'd never heard of apple tv |
| 15:38.06 | elg | I must have heard about the fire truck at the same time as the iPhone |
| 15:38.22 | elg | so how much is the apple tv? how is it different from a mini? |
| 15:38.45 | jsmith | elg: Half as tall, no optical drive, TV-out... stripped down OS |
| 15:39.08 | levi | HD-out, even. |
| 15:39.32 | elg | no dvd drive? that's a pity |
| 15:39.42 | vontrapp | tis |
| 15:39.49 | levi | And it's apparently $300. |
| 15:39.57 | elg | probably only plays stuff quicktime can play, which is a sorry subset of what's out there |
| 15:39.57 | findlay | ~dell levi |
| 15:39.58 | ibot | Dude! levi's getting a dell! |
| 15:40.12 | elg | if the hdd is big enough and if it can be made to run linux, though... |
| 15:40.34 | Jayce^ | elg, just add Perian and it can play the stuff that matters.. http://perian.org/ |
| 15:40.35 | brac | [Perian - The swiss-army knife of QuickTime® components] |
| 15:41.11 | dataw0lf | how does one curry in Perl? |
| 15:41.15 | levi | The idea is to make it easy to play the videos sold on iTMS on the TV. |
| 15:41.25 | elg | tv in? i.e. is it a DVR? |
| 15:41.33 | levi | No, it isn't a DVR, unfortunately. |
| 15:41.40 | elg | that's another pity |
| 15:41.50 | elg | oh well |
| 15:41.53 | levi | Perhaps in a later version. |
| 15:41.57 | vontrapp | that's the most pitiful home tv solution i've ever heard of |
| 15:42.00 | findlay | but can it make an effective niche in your myth setup? |
| 15:42.27 | elg | show me a dvr with wireless sync and a DVD drive and can be made to run linux, and I'll get exccited |
| 15:42.44 | lukfugl | dataw0lf: my $x = sub { ... does something ... }; my $curried_x = sub{ $x->($val, @_) }; |
| 15:42.46 | elg | even if it can't run linux, but does have an apple interface |
| 15:43.03 | levi | elg: Well, that's called a Mac Mini. |
| 15:43.17 | levi | With one of those dongles for recording. |
| 15:43.27 | levi | eye-TV or whatever they're called. |
| 15:44.17 | elg | levi: well there you go. full circle. :-) ("how does it differ from a mini") |
| 15:44.50 | levi | elg: It differs by being cheaper and doing fewer and somewhat different things! |
| 15:45.20 | elg | apparently so |
| 15:45.21 | levi | It's got a 1Ghz Pentium M-class chip in it and an nVidia graphics chip. |
| 15:47.40 | *** join/#utah harleypig (n=harleypi@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 15:47.51 | levi | I think it's a fairly nifty gadget for people who have money to spend on shows at iTMS and are somewhat less geeky than the average person here. |
| 15:48.36 | jsmith | levi: Or hopefully a great platform for other projects... |
| 15:49.19 | levi | I mean, you find a show you want on iTMS, buy a season pass, and then you can stream them to your Apple TV without having to do anything. |
| 15:51.18 | dataw0lf | lukfugl: thanks! |
| 15:51.41 | levi | Considering how ridiculously expensive cable TV is, there's probably a reasonable point at which you watch little enough TV that it's cheaper to buy your shows from Apple than from the cable company. Then there's no point to having a DVR at all. |
| 15:51.47 | brac | Considering how inexperienced our group was all gonna be $0.75/disc (that includes the statement that chihuahas are annoying. |
| 15:52.16 | elg | yes, chihuahuas _are_ annoying |
| 15:52.36 | elg | levi: yup. I do that now, except I don't buy shows (because of the drm), I download them |
| 15:52.59 | emcnabb | elg: am I my brothers keeper? |
| 15:53.10 | elg | emcnabb: only when I need you to be |
| 15:53.19 | levi | I've seen quite a few torrents available in video iPod format, which would play just fine on the Apple TV. |
| 15:54.03 | elg | they're low resolution |
| 15:54.16 | elg | which isn't a big deal, unless you care about things like that |
| 15:54.30 | elg | which you probably do if you buy a $300 accessory |
| 15:54.35 | elg | (i.e. you probably already have HDTV) |
| 15:55.26 | elg | apple tv looks like just an iTunes accessory, plain and simple. kudos to anyone that can open it up for real geeks, but that's what it looks like in the meantime |
| 16:00.54 | levi | I expect that they'll be ramping up to high-res content before too long. Shows from iTMS already look about as good as standard-def cable TV. |
| 16:01.29 | elg | well I'm sure what's available from iTMS will be worth watching on your HDTV, or will be soon |
| 16:02.17 | levi | (I only know this because my brother had a season of some SciFi show on his iPod, which we watched on my parents' plasma HD screen over Christmas) |
| 16:03.42 | levi | I certainly won't be buying an Apple TV, but I think the kind of person who would buy it would probably be pleased with it. |
| 16:05.39 | vontrapp | man, it sounds like the people upstairs are having a sumo wrestling match |
| 16:06.18 | elg | a guy and his wife are both sumo wrestler? |
| 16:06.52 | vontrapp | some asian family |
| 16:07.21 | vontrapp | there's always thudding noises coming from up there, like cleaving whole chickens or who knows what, but they were particularly loud this time |
| 16:11.07 | elg | levi: certainly |
| 16:15.22 | ^Migs^ | I know someone who has 17 chihuahuas and keeps them all in her house. She sets out newspaper for them in the bathroom. I think her house was condemned so she had to move. |
| 16:35.09 | levi | elg: Anyway, done anything with erlang recently? |
| 16:39.41 | findlay | I think you should write a language called elglang |
| 16:39.48 | *** join/#utah fungus (n=fungus@mailhub.sosstaffing.com) |
| 16:59.16 | levi | I think you should write a language called findlaylang. |
| 17:01.39 | findlay | ok, levilang |
| 17:03.13 | elg | levi: no, I was a slug last week for spring break |
| 17:03.17 | elg | I avoided doing anything productive |
| 17:03.37 | elg | it was quite boring - but if I got into something it would have consumed my week |
| 17:03.47 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:04.02 | levi | I didn't do any computer stuff, either. My wife would have killed me. |
| 17:04.18 | findlay | I did car stuff |
| 17:04.38 | findlay | talk about adding stress to pressure |
| 17:04.41 | levi | I did some car stuff, too. |
| 17:04.52 | levi | Went to the junkyard to pick up some parts for my van. |
| 17:04.55 | brac | Went to vancouver for a few years |
| 17:04.57 | findlay | my engine runs so smoothly now |
| 17:05.03 | findlay | levi: which junkyard? |
| 17:05.24 | lukfugl | brac: what did you do in vancouver? |
| 17:05.25 | brac | who knows? |
| 17:05.36 | levi | European Only, around 800 N and Geneva in Orem. |
| 17:05.39 | lukfugl | brac: does that mean it was during the sixties? |
| 17:05.39 | brac | dunno |
| 17:05.59 | levi | findlay: What did you do to your engine to make it run smoothly? |
| 17:06.04 | lukfugl | brac: I'll take that as a yes |
| 17:06.12 | findlay | there was a very think layer of what looked like mineral deposits on the piston heads and the bottom of the valves |
| 17:06.31 | findlay | levi: head gaskets and possibly the timing belts |
| 17:06.38 | levi | Ahh, varnish. |
| 17:06.48 | findlay | but, it wasn't varnishy |
| 17:06.57 | findlay | it looked rocky |
| 17:07.21 | findlay | I was in a hurry or I would have cleaned it out better |
| 17:07.24 | levi | Well, buildup of any sort inside your engine is probably not good. |
| 17:07.25 | brac | I was up at Applebee's |
| 17:07.37 | levi | Carbon deposits like that can lead to pre-ignition. |
| 17:07.43 | findlay | hm |
| 17:07.47 | levi | Which can lead to your engine blowing up. |
| 17:08.10 | findlay | well, I've got another can of bg44k ready |
| 17:08.10 | lukfugl | brac: but there's an Applebee's here in Orem, you didn't need to go to Vancouver... |
| 17:08.13 | elg | levi: precisely :) |
| 17:08.43 | findlay | I'm not about to take the heads off again just to detail the pistons |
| 17:08.49 | findlay | at least not for now |
| 17:08.51 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:08.53 | ^Migs^ | who would want to go to Vancouver anyway? |
| 17:09.00 | elg | levi: she'd rather I watch more tv than usual when bored than my break be consumed by some side project. she knows she can pull me away from the TV - when I'm on the computer she never knows if I'm playing, zoned, or just chatting on IRC |
| 17:09.20 | findlay | besides I've put way more work into this car than it probably deserves :) |
| 17:09.37 | levi | elg: Yup. I feel your pain. |
| 17:09.48 | levi | findlay: It builds character. ;) |
| 17:09.58 | findlay | levi: and it was fun :) |
| 17:10.20 | levi | findlay: My Miata needs some work. I need to pull the exhaust manifold off and figure out if it's warped or if my gasket is just blown. |
| 17:10.40 | findlay | levi: do you have a breaker bar? |
| 17:10.46 | levi | findlay: Nope. |
| 17:10.59 | findlay | that's probably the single most important tool in removing frozen bolts |
| 17:11.18 | findlay | you can get one for about $15 at Sears |
| 17:11.20 | levi | If I ever get around to working on it, I'll probably get one. |
| 17:11.55 | levi | The van is in more immediate need, though. I need to halt the rust that's formed on the driver's side before it makes holes. |
| 17:12.09 | findlay | I can't believe how many old bolts I've removed with my 3/8 " socket wrench |
| 17:12.19 | findlay | almost destroyed the ratchet :) |
| 17:12.30 | findlay | that was before I was enlightened |
| 17:12.44 | findlay | levi: how do you stop rust? |
| 17:13.49 | levi | findlay: I plan to abrade as much of it as possible off with a wire wheel, then use a rust converter on what's left and spray some primer over it. |
| 17:14.10 | findlay | hm |
| 17:14.22 | levi | If it comes back after that, I'll just have to cut the rusty area out and put a patch in. |
| 17:15.18 | levi | That's the only sure cure for rust. |
| 17:15.37 | findlay | Iron III oxide |
| 17:16.22 | elg | heh. http://www.wsmr.army.mil/pao/TrinitySite/trnrum.htm number 9 |
| 17:16.24 | brac | [White Sands Missile Range] |
| 17:16.28 | levi | What's really scaring me is the rust forming around the windshield. |
| 17:17.03 | findlay | levi: that's not fun |
| 17:17.08 | levi | findlay: Nope. |
| 17:17.10 | findlay | how old is it? |
| 17:17.16 | levi | findlay: It's a '93. |
| 17:18.02 | levi | I think the windshield was replaced at some point, since it looks remarkably nice for its age, but it was probably reinstalled poorly. |
| 17:21.09 | levi | I think they skimped on the galvanization process for the Eurovans or something, because pretty much all of the '93s at the junkyard had some obvious rust spots somewhere on the body. |
| 17:21.52 | levi | We're getting excited to take it camping. |
| 17:23.25 | lukfugl | elg: now I want to play Trinity again |
| 17:24.42 | *** join/#utah fozzmoo (n=fozz@65.89.234.66) |
| 17:24.51 | findlay | man, why do I have to be so stupid so much? |
| 17:25.22 | fozzmoo | Everyone else needs someone to compare themselves for vanity. :) |
| 17:25.46 | redbeard1 | fozzmoo: hey, do you mind if i email you some images? |
| 17:25.55 | fozzmoo | not at all! |
| 17:26.04 | fozzmoo | Just don't e-mail them to a mailling list I'm on. :) |
| 17:26.27 | redbeard1 | heh |
| 17:26.42 | findlay | redbeard1: as long as they're raw, uncompressed image data |
| 17:26.54 | fozzmoo | Yeah- send me some ppm files. :) |
| 17:27.15 | redbeard1 | i have a vector version of the plug logo somewhere... i could save it as a wallpaper bmp... |
| 17:27.19 | *** join/#utah sjansen (n=sjansen@157.130.62.194) |
| 17:27.19 | findlay | ppm should do |
| 17:27.22 | redbeard1 | widescreen, of course |
| 17:27.36 | redbeard1 | how about tga? |
| 17:27.43 | fozzmoo | wow. |
| 17:27.46 | findlay | redbeard1: at 1000x15000 or sometheing |
| 17:27.51 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 17:28.14 | fozzmoo | sjansen: you at red hat? |
| 17:28.14 | elg | lukfugl: we might go to trinity site on the 7th |
| 17:28.29 | redbeard1 | s/tried/tries/ |
| 17:28.30 | sjansen | Attention! Attention! fozzmoo protects Plug from harleypig pictures attached to email! |
| 17:28.37 | sjansen | Three cheers for fozzmoo!!! |
| 17:28.41 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 17:28.43 | elg | anyone know how to give google maps degrees, minutes, _and_ seconds? |
| 17:28.56 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 17:29.02 | findlay | redbeard1: as long as it's raw, and lossless |
| 17:30.17 | findlay | what's the easiest way to mount a floppy disk under ubuntu? |
| 17:31.05 | elg | findlay: lift the computer with one hand, slide the floppy under with the other, then carefully smash the floppy |
| 17:31.06 | graphyx | findlay: I think any widely published photo of harleypig is going to be called raw by someone. |
| 17:31.11 | sjansen | fozzmoo: Yup, their Westford, MA building. |
| 17:31.47 | graphyx | findlay: can't you just do mount /mnt/fd0? |
| 17:32.43 | herlo | elg: http://travel.herlo.org/index.php/DTI_Travel:Google_Maps - this might help.. I found it a while back... |
| 17:32.47 | fozzmoo | sjansen: Okay, then. |
| 17:32.57 | herlo | elg: and then I wrote my own help guide on it. |
| 17:33.34 | herlo | This is for mediawiki of course, but through the google maps api, you should be able to do most of the same stuff... |
| 17:33.42 | elg | next question - is this degrees, minutes, seconds, or something else? |
| 17:33.42 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.03 | elg | "exact GZ" |
| 17:34.19 | herlo | ahh |
| 17:35.22 | herlo | elg: yeah, degrees and I believe its minutes and seconds... If you go to the geocoder site (linked from my link) it'll help |
| 17:40.35 | elg | this looks about right: http://tinyurl.com/2jzknz |
| 17:42.30 | levi | elg: Where is that? |
| 17:42.39 | elg | the middle of the desert :) |
| 17:42.49 | elg | it's the trinity site - where the first atomic bomb was detonated |
| 17:42.57 | levi | Ahh, okay. |
| 17:44.43 | sjansen | Actually, the truth is elg's lived in a desert so long he's a little addled. |
| 17:46.40 | elg | ~addle sjansen |
| 17:46.45 | graphyx | that really is the middle of nowhere |
| 17:47.23 | fozzmoo | Hence the... lifelessness |
| 17:54.56 | *** join/#utah ZMX32 (n=ims2@89.137.122.84) |
| 17:55.03 | *** part/#utah ZMX32 (n=ims2@89.137.122.84) |
| 17:58.37 | levi | Is there an easy way to add a new saved location while browsing around in Google Maps? |
| 18:02.15 | *** join/#utah hagna (n=nate@70.98.162.62) |
| 18:02.28 | hagna | in screen how do you un suspend? |
| 18:02.57 | sontek | CTRL+A +D |
| 18:03.04 | sontek | thats detach |
| 18:03.27 | sontek | screen -R to get it back |
| 18:03.31 | levi | Here's a cool place in the middle of nowhere: http://maps.google.com/maps?z=16&ll=40.323514,-112.902031&spn=0.054379,0.092096&t=k&om=1 |
| 18:03.52 | levi | I used to go camping and climbing there a lot. |
| 18:04.03 | ^Migs^ | http://bash.org/?747235 |
| 18:04.04 | brac | [QDB: Quote #747235] |
| 18:05.36 | lukfugl | levi: how close is that to simpson springs? |
| 18:05.41 | lukfugl | I was just out simpson springs way camping this weekend |
| 18:05.51 | lukfugl | looks to be the same area |
| 18:06.14 | levi | It's in roughly the same area. I used to camp at Simpson Springs when I lived in Dugway, too. |
| 18:07.41 | vontrapp | there should be a way to easily add a marker to google maps |
| 18:07.46 | levi | White Rock is cooler, though, because of the massive rock you can climb all over. |
| 18:07.56 | dataw0lf | vontrapp: API wise, or just on Google Maps? |
| 18:08.06 | vontrapp | just on google maps |
| 18:25.29 | levi | Here's the Simpson Springs campsite: http://maps.google.com/maps?sll=40.121731,-112.596474&z=16&t=k&ll=40.035106999999996,-112.782834 |
| 18:46.38 | levi | It would probably be easier to convince my wife to camp at Simpson Springs than White Rock, since there are apparently bathrooms at Simpson Springs. |
| 19:16.53 | *** join/#utah ti`ocpi (n=chelle@143-106.dynamicpool.suu.edu) |
| 19:24.54 | lukfugl | bah, bathrooms? |
| 19:25.33 | graphyx | if you can get hot water from a tap it isn't really camping. |
| 19:25.37 | graphyx | =) |
| 19:25.41 | lukfugl | amen |
| 19:27.23 | jsmith | lukfugl: That's why they invented latrines! |
| 19:27.29 | levi | Well, my wife is used to the amenities. I've got to ease her into the primitive camping thing. :) |
| 19:27.41 | lukfugl | heh |
| 19:30.45 | graphyx | I wouldn't mind camping more |
| 19:31.08 | *** join/#utah wps (n=wps@67.108.236.230.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 19:31.19 | graphyx | but the whole have to keep bottles of milk warm/hot just doesn't work all that well without electricity. |
| 19:32.04 | jsmith | graphyx: What, never boiled water over a fire? |
| 19:32.24 | Jayce^ | graphyx, a good thermos works for a weekend.. |
| 19:32.26 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 19:32.29 | Jayce^ | done that |
| 19:32.53 | graphyx | Well let me tell you about my weekend in bryce's canyon in march |
| 19:33.03 | graphyx | it was getting warm |
| 19:33.11 | graphyx | and my wife hadn't checked the weather |
| 19:33.18 | graphyx | and I blindly followed her |
| 19:33.23 | graphyx | with our 4 month old |
| 19:33.31 | graphyx | and 2 other kids. |
| 19:33.39 | graphyx | we froze |
| 19:34.03 | graphyx | and to keep the milk warm we put my 3 year old son in the bed with the 4 month old with the milk between them. |
| 19:34.20 | graphyx | it got down to like 17 degrees that night |
| 19:34.21 | *** join/#utah tiwula (n=lane@208.64.90.18.utahbroadband.com) |
| 19:34.34 | graphyx | with the tent on top of 3 feet of snow. |
| 19:34.41 | graphyx | it was beautiful to look at |
| 19:34.50 | graphyx | but not as much fun as it could have been. |
| 19:35.36 | levi | That's why I haven't gone camping this year yet. I've been waiting for it to really get warm. |
| 19:36.15 | lukfugl | levi: it was warm out there this weekend :) I got toasted |
| 19:36.19 | elg | the reason I don't go camping is that it's too hot outside in the summer |
| 19:36.24 | lukfugl | this week's supposed to turn back cold again, though |
| 19:36.35 | elg | and my wife doesn't like the cold |
| 19:36.52 | elg | so we have a very small window where the outside weather suits us both |
| 19:36.53 | brac | so we can patch our already patched up quickly when the plug list? I remember back in the works |
| 19:37.01 | levi | During the summer, we can camp in the mountains. |
| 19:37.22 | elg | there's supposedly some good mountain camping nearby, but it's an hour drive |
| 19:37.36 | elg | the immediate vicinity mountains are just rocks |
| 19:37.47 | levi | Most of the places I've camped recently have been over an hour away. |
| 19:42.09 | lukfugl | http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&om=1&z=14&ll=40.088053,-112.625656&spn=0.022129,0.040855&t=h about here is where we camped |
| 19:42.30 | lukfugl | just off in the middle of nowhere on the side of a rather rough road |
| 19:42.43 | lukfugl | road ended about 200 yards past where we camped |
| 19:46.43 | graphyx | lukfugl: Where do you live now? Utah? |
| 19:46.52 | lukfugl | yeah |
| 19:46.58 | lukfugl | Orem |
| 19:47.09 | graphyx | you ever go rock hounding? |
| 19:47.16 | lukfugl | nope |
| 19:47.51 | lukfugl | though I heard that the area where we were is a good place to find geodes |
| 19:48.41 | levi | Yeah, I went geode hunting once somewhere around there. |
| 19:49.55 | *** join/#utah amcnabb (n=amcnabb@c-71-195-212-252.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 19:50.18 | emcnabb | amcnabb, meet elg |
| 19:50.24 | emcnabb | elg, meet amcnabb |
| 19:50.30 | amcnabb | :) |
| 19:50.35 | levi | lukfugl: You should try White Rock sometime. It's lots of fun. |
| 19:51.13 | lukfugl | I'll keep that in mind |
| 19:51.34 | lukfugl | levi: is it good for full our climbing (top line, etc.) or just bouldering? |
| 19:52.20 | levi | I'm not really sure how serious climbing would be there, but there are probably some good routes somewhere on the rock. |
| 19:52.27 | levi | We did a lot of rappelling there. |
| 19:54.07 | levi | There are a lot of piton anchors at the top of cliffs, so I assume people do top-rope climbing. |
| 19:54.22 | lukfugl | cool |
| 19:55.56 | levi | You can access just about anywhere on the rock just scrambling around without equipment. |
| 20:00.19 | levi | This article has a section on White Rock: http://www.tooeletranscript.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=18936&Itemid=2 |
| 20:00.22 | brac | [Tooele Transcript Bulletin On-line] |
| 20:13.49 | *** join/#utah dilvie (n=chatzill@c-67-169-243-184.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 20:15.29 | dilvie | I took some fun photos at the SF Hari Krishna Temple Festival of Colors. |
| 20:15.30 | dilvie | http://www.dilvie.com/2007/03/festival-of-colors.html |
| 20:16.24 | synic | dilvie: in salem? |
| 20:16.36 | synic | or was that here? |
| 20:16.49 | dilvie | technically it's in Spanish Fork, according to their website. |
| 20:16.55 | synic | ah |
| 20:17.08 | synic | my brother lives like.. down the street, but I've never gone to the temple |
| 20:21.28 | dilvie | It's fun. |
| 20:21.42 | dilvie | Vegetarian buffet, stage shows, etc.. |
| 20:37.37 | ^Migs^ | I've wanted to see the Hare Krishna temple for years now, but never made it down to SF |
| 20:40.14 | elg | go for the llamafest |
| 20:58.40 | *** join/#utah tristanbob (n=tristan@oalug/member/tristanbob) |
| 20:59.27 | *** join/#utah beandog (n=sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog) |
| 21:00.46 | levi | lukfugl: I /think/ this is the same place as White Rock: http://www.rockclimbing.com/routes/North_America/United_States/Utah/Western_Utah/Lone_Rock/ |
| 21:00.48 | brac | [Global Rock Climbing Routes Database: North America/United States/Utah/Western Utah/Lone Rock] |
| 21:02.35 | *** join/#utah Robdor (n=Robdor@208.187.198.179) |
| 21:04.25 | ^Migs^ | when's the llamafest? |
| 21:05.01 | dataw0lf | levi: I belivee it is. |
| 21:05.06 | dataw0lf | believe* |
| 21:05.32 | ^Migs^ | oh, it's in July |
| 21:05.34 | levi | dataw0lf: You been there? |
| 21:05.36 | ^Migs^ | my kids would love that |
| 21:06.27 | ^Migs^ | llama fest isn't going to be at the temple itself, though |
| 21:07.41 | elg | no? |
| 21:07.44 | elg | it has been in the past |
| 21:07.54 | elg | i mean, they don't have llamas in the temple |
| 21:07.59 | elg | but you can go in the temple |
| 21:08.14 | elg | and the festival is at the temple |
| 21:10.35 | ^Migs^ | they're having it at the KHQN radio station |
| 21:11.06 | ^Migs^ | and some llama farms south of Spanish Fork |
| 21:11.26 | ^Migs^ | maybe I could still plan on a camping trip or something around that time |
| 21:11.50 | dataw0lf | levi: yea, i'm big into rock climbing. |
| 21:12.35 | levi | dataw0lf: Cool. Is the climbing there any good? lukfugl was curious about it, but I didn't really know. |
| 21:27.22 | dataw0lf | levi: personally, I made do with Little/Big Cottonwood Canyon, for most of the time |
| 21:27.34 | dataw0lf | it can be a bit crowded, but you can find some awesome climbing around there. |
| 21:27.55 | dataw0lf | Lone Peak is awesome, though. |
| 21:28.20 | dataw0lf | I almost fell about 200 feet on the ridge scramble my first go. |
| 21:28.26 | levi | Yeah. I mostly like White Rock because it's in the middle of nowhere and I used to camp there a lot when I lived in Dugway. |
| 21:30.04 | dataw0lf | I really like limestone climbing |
| 21:30.06 | levi | I'm not a big climber. I did some gym climbing for a while with a girl I was interested in a few years ago, but she married some fat guy and I moved away from the gym, so that kind of died. Now I pretty much just ride my bikes. |
| 21:30.42 | dataw0lf | My dad got me a job as an assistant rock climbing instructor in the Grand Tetons after I'd been into it for a couple years (he used to be a park ranger in yellowstone) |
| 21:30.52 | dataw0lf | there are some good climbs in Utah |
| 21:30.57 | dataw0lf | but I really love the Tetons |
| 21:34.10 | levi | Climbing is a blast, but I probably won't take it up again. I'd have to convince my wife that it was reasonably safe, get new gear, etc. I'll just stick to cycling and hiking. :) |
| 21:39.20 | *** join/#utah graphyx (n=graphyx@205.208.245.105) |
| 21:45.49 | *** join/#utah mheath (i=mheath@c-76-23-104-208.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) |
| 21:53.33 | *** join/#utah pmcnabb (n=peter@128.187.189.1) |
| 21:53.39 | *** join/#utah ti`ocpi (n=chelle@143-106.dynamicpool.suu.edu) |
| 22:05.32 | *** join/#utah jadoba (n=jim@c-68-84-122-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 22:07.07 | *** join/#utah Newsome (n=sorenson@mnch-01-0053.dsl.iowatelecom.net) |
| 22:11.02 | tene | So, does anybody here know of any livecds with airsnort, various wireless card drivers, etc. on it? |
| 22:11.21 | fozzmoo | kubuntu? |
| 22:11.28 | fozzmoo | It has a livecd, doesn't it? |
| 22:11.42 | fozzmoo | I hear it comes with lots of wireless goodies. |
| 22:11.46 | tene | Hmm. |
| 22:12.03 | maquis | tene: there's a bunch of "security" cds |
| 22:12.03 | fozzmoo | You coudl have just asked me, tene. I'm only 5 or 6 feet away from you. |
| 22:12.09 | maquis | i'm betting phlak would have all those |
| 22:12.11 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 22:12.13 | tene | fozzmoo: but I thought you were working. |
| 22:12.22 | tene | maquis: Oh, right, forgot about those. |
| 22:12.22 | fozzmoo | oh. yeah. |
| 22:12.29 | brac | [Remote-Exploit.org - Supplying offensive security products to the world] |
| 22:12.36 | tene | fozzmoo: also, I'm wearing headphones. |
| 22:19.31 | findlay | tene is listening to his livecd? |
| 22:19.33 | brac | tene is reminded of a time |
| 22:19.39 | findlay | indeed |
| 22:21.00 | tene | Hey, findlay, that reminds of that one time... y'know? |
| 22:21.00 | findlay | yeah |
| 22:21.08 | findlay | I wish I were reminded of times |
| 22:22.12 | tene | -chat about findlay is |
| 22:22.13 | brac | findlay is too lazy to type it backwards! |
| 22:22.49 | mheath | jeez findlay |
| 22:22.51 | mheath | thats pretty lazy. |
| 22:29.08 | QBFreak | -lart tene |
| 22:29.25 | QBFreak | well that was slightly more severe than I wanted, but it'll do |
| 22:35.56 | lukfugl | -chat about tene is |
| 22:35.56 | brac | tene is more general, not more |
| 22:36.16 | lukfugl | -chat lukfugl |
| 22:36.16 | brac | lukfugl was curious if you ask me what he did for me I can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO |
| 22:38.45 | findlay | -chat about curious |
| 22:38.45 | brac | curious went |
| 22:38.56 | findlay | -chat about presentiment |
| 22:38.56 | brac | presentiment had |
| 22:39.19 | lukfugl | -chat about brac thinks |
| 22:39.19 | brac | brac thinks |
| 22:39.25 | lukfugl | boring |
| 22:39.42 | lukfugl | -chat about findlay is |
| 22:39.42 | brac | findlay is just suddenly fail simultaneously. There must be done with the quality of service? |
| 22:40.32 | *** part/#utah fozzmoo (n=fozz@65.89.234.66) |
| 22:47.15 | mheath | ~praise good health insurance |
| 22:47.16 | ibot | All hail good health insurance! |
| 22:47.34 | mheath | I just got the bill for my hospital stay last month :) |
| 22:47.53 | findlay | ~charge mheath |
| 22:48.03 | findlay | ~bill mheath |
| 22:48.06 | mheath | Over $7,000, all 100% paid for. |
| 22:48.17 | findlay | ~sue mheath |
| 22:48.19 | ibot | ACTION sends an entire multinational firm after mheath, determined to reduce mheath to absolute nothingness |
| 22:54.19 | Supaplex | only huh? |
| 22:54.36 | Supaplex | did it come with a new hdtv or something? |
| 22:54.53 | findlay | yes, of course |
| 22:54.58 | mheath | Erm, wait, this doesn't include the room charge... |
| 22:58.58 | Supaplex | don't forget room service |
| 23:05.01 | findlay | ~say more |
| 23:05.02 | ibot | more |
| 23:05.07 | findlay | ibot can say more too |
| 23:07.54 | elg | ~say more too |
| 23:07.55 | ibot | more too |
| 23:08.24 | findlay | ~say ~say more too |
| 23:08.25 | ibot | ~say more too |
| 23:08.32 | findlay | ~say -lart crap |
| 23:08.33 | ibot | -lart crap |
| 23:09.38 | atoponce | ~say -lart brac |
| 23:09.40 | ibot | -lart brac |
| 23:10.06 | findlay | ~make lart |
| 23:10.07 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `lart'. Stop. |
| 23:10.36 | mheath | Supaplex, say more what? |
| 23:10.59 | mheath | I was passed out. I had intense abdominal pain. I was unable to keep down even water for 4 days - I was hooked to an IV continuously. |
| 23:11.32 | mheath | My room service was being brought vegetable broth and jello that I either threw up (first day, first attempt) or didn't eat (from then on ) |
| 23:11.54 | dataw0lf | when was this, mheath? |
| 23:13.04 | Supaplex | mheath: I was going to tease about nurses, and sponge baths. thats' all. :-X |
| 23:13.41 | findlay | ~lart sponge |
| 23:13.41 | ibot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps sponge |
| 23:13.46 | findlay | ~lart bath |
| 23:13.46 | ibot | whacks bath upside the head |
| 23:13.49 | mheath | dataw0lf, February. |
| 23:14.04 | findlay | ~mheath February |
| 23:14.05 | ibot | ACTION impresses February into the US military. Serve your country, dang it! |
| 23:14.05 | mheath | I had an ear infection near the end of bootcamp |
| 23:14.06 | dataw0lf | wuss. |
| 23:14.24 | mheath | They gave me a ton of meds right before I flew out |
| 23:14.35 | dataw0lf | what, dirt to rub on it, and water? |
| 23:14.39 | mheath | Ended up getting really sick on the plain...allergic reaction to some of the meds |
| 23:14.45 | dataw0lf | rub dirt on it |
| 23:14.50 | mheath | dataw0lf, Wuss? |
| 23:14.54 | dataw0lf | yea, you. |
| 23:15.16 | dataw0lf | y'know what happened to me in bootcamp? |
| 23:15.21 | dataw0lf | Absolutely nothing. |
| 23:15.22 | mheath | Heh. Yeah. Nothings funner than faking illness during liberty time with my family. |
| 23:15.41 | dataw0lf | except for getting promoted to PG and getting a honor graduate diploma. |
| 23:15.50 | mheath | You know, what with the laying in my dads hotel room with intense pain while all my other shipmates are out on the town... |
| 23:16.13 | dataw0lf | what would you do in combat? Cry to your mommy about your earache? Kill some enemy, troop. |
| 23:16.34 | mheath | I didn't complain about my headache, only to get some antibiotics and some ibuprofen |
| 23:16.39 | mheath | I had an alergic reaction to the antibiotics |
| 23:16.40 | dataw0lf | I don't think anyone who is currently resisting/opposing us really cares about your headache nor earache. |
| 23:16.50 | dataw0lf | so grab a rifle |
| 23:16.53 | brac | so grab a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh and slap pmcnabb over the list is just a normal, sane Vim guy normally) |
| 23:16.54 | mheath | Tried that |
| 23:17.01 | dataw0lf | get in the prone position |
| 23:17.02 | *** join/#utah TimRiker (n=timr@216.49.181.128) |
| 23:17.02 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 23:17.04 | dataw0lf | and kill some people |
| 23:17.05 | mheath | They took the rifle back :P |
| 23:17.06 | findlay | dataw0lf: heathen! Have some sense of fairness! |
| 23:17.35 | dataw0lf | "Everyone, everyone, time out! mheath has an earache. We're going to have to postpone the invasion." |
| 23:17.50 | mheath | heh. |
| 23:17.57 | dataw0lf | "Allah ackbar dataw0lf. alkdad tskijd akljad alkjad dkfjla!" |
| 23:18.33 | mheath | It's funny, because I actually went against doctors orders on the activity level. |
| 23:18.39 | dataw0lf | wow, so what. |
| 23:18.48 | dataw0lf | you're a troop. you better be going against doctor's orders. |
| 23:18.49 | mheath | He told me not to fly. If I'd listened, I would have been stuck at bootcamp a while longer. Screw that. |
| 23:19.03 | dataw0lf | I had two pins in my hand and tore my cast off so I could lead my squad into battle, son. |
| 23:19.09 | dataw0lf | I'm not expecting sympathy. |
| 23:19.12 | dataw0lf | Nor compensation. |
| 23:19.18 | dataw0lf | It's. What. You. Do. |
| 23:19.38 | mheath | Well, I ran USN bootcamp battlestations in -30 degree weather :) |
| 23:19.41 | dataw0lf | then I refused the smallpox vaccine in Israel |
| 23:19.52 | dataw0lf | so I had a 104 degree fever my first day in Iraq, first day of the invasion. |
| 23:20.00 | dataw0lf | I was happy as a clam. |
| 23:20.04 | dataw0lf | because my squad survived. |
| 23:20.22 | tene | Why did you refuse the vaccine? |
| 23:20.39 | dataw0lf | too dangerous, man. You see those pics they give you about the dang thing, and you're worried sick. |
| 23:20.52 | mheath | ah |
| 23:20.53 | dataw0lf | so I was willing to take my chances. I never believed Saddam had stockpiles of biological weapons. |
| 23:21.07 | mheath | I forgot I didn't have smallpox vaccine. |
| 23:21.10 | dataw0lf | then, when I was boarding my UH-60 to deploy |
| 23:21.13 | mheath | It's not given here in the US anymore.... |
| 23:21.23 | dataw0lf | three little pricks with a needle, deliver that thing to you |
| 23:21.25 | mheath | I didn't think it was risky, though. Just not the most pleasant vacine. |
| 23:21.27 | dataw0lf | never been so sick in my life. |
| 23:21.33 | dataw0lf | and in the heat, it really gets to you |
| 23:21.34 | dataw0lf | whatever |
| 23:21.39 | mheath | I thought they used to give it routinely here in the US. I know my dad had one. |
| 23:21.46 | dataw0lf | I still rolled my way into Baghdad and secure the airport. |
| 23:21.53 | dataw0lf | s/secure/secured/ |
| 23:22.09 | mheath | dataw0lf, both times I went to the hospital here, I didn't conciously have a thing to do with it |
| 23:22.18 | mheath | The first night hear, I collapsed, fell unconcious, and woke up in the ER |
| 23:22.29 | dataw0lf | dude, you know, and I know, if you go to a hospital in the military, you have something to do with it. |
| 23:22.33 | dataw0lf | you weren't drinking enough water. |
| 23:22.34 | dataw0lf | hydrate |
| 23:22.38 | dataw0lf | that's all there is to it. |
| 23:22.45 | mheath | Second time (the next day), I had a followup with medical here, and I don't remember a thing about it. They said I was delerious because I was dehydrated |
| 23:22.48 | mheath | dataw0lf, I was throwing up water. :) |
| 23:22.58 | dataw0lf | you don't have that option in combat |
| 23:23.03 | dataw0lf | you gotta suck 'er up. |
| 23:23.04 | mheath | haha |
| 23:23.25 | dataw0lf | what, you think I didn't want to throw up because of the smallpox vaccine when I was in Iraq? |
| 23:23.33 | dataw0lf | couldn't let my squad see that. |
| 23:23.38 | dataw0lf | gimme a break. |
| 23:23.39 | dataw0lf | suck it up. |
| 23:23.42 | dataw0lf | rub some dirt on it. |
| 23:23.57 | mheath | :P |
| 23:23.59 | dataw0lf | good |
| 23:24.04 | dataw0lf | now kill some enemy. |
| 23:24.13 | mheath | owww |
| 23:24.15 | mheath | This doesn't help |
| 23:24.28 | brac | mheath bought a new rule the roost at a speed of 3.09 meters per second (4.60 miles per hour) from the whois info |
| 23:24.33 | dataw0lf | if some kid in my squad had come complained to me about a fever, or passing out, I would've hit him in his face with my kevlar and told him to throw some grenades. |
| 23:24.50 | dataw0lf | it's the military |
| 23:24.54 | dataw0lf | it's not civilian life. |
| 23:24.57 | dataw0lf | get over it. |
| 23:25.05 | findlay | I'm over it! |
| 23:25.06 | dataw0lf | drink water, rub dirt, and kill. |
| 23:25.07 | mheath | dataw0lf, I'm a Nuke :) |
| 23:25.10 | tene | "with my kevlar"? |
| 23:25.16 | mheath | tene, helmet. |
| 23:25.17 | dataw0lf | yea, because you failed out of the USMC |
| 23:25.28 | mheath | dataw0lf, erm. |
| 23:25.31 | dataw0lf | which, I give much gratitude to the Marine Corps |
| 23:25.38 | *** part/#utah harleypig (n=harleypi@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 23:25.47 | dataw0lf | because, I'm sorry, you're not cut out for killing some enemy. |
| 23:25.55 | mheath | dataw0lf, Why? You think I'm safer operating a nuclear reactor than being an infantryman? |
| 23:25.56 | dataw0lf | so sit in your sub, and complain to yourself all you want. |
| 23:26.00 | dataw0lf | personally, i don't want to hear it. |
| 23:26.12 | dataw0lf | Who threatens you as a Nuke? |
| 23:26.19 | dataw0lf | please divulge this information. |
| 23:26.24 | dataw0lf | Who's getting onto a nuclear submarine |
| 23:26.28 | dataw0lf | and sabotaging it |
| 23:26.33 | dataw0lf | honestly, I'm willing to listen |
| 23:26.34 | mheath | WTF? I made a small comment about how I was glad I had good insurance. |
| 23:26.37 | dataw0lf | let's hear it. |
| 23:26.54 | dataw0lf | so, you are safer as a nuke, right? |
| 23:27.03 | mheath | You're the one who turned this into a you-need-to-suck-it-up, my-god-I'm-so-much-more-gung-ho than you are, discussion. |
| 23:27.10 | dataw0lf | because you're military |
| 23:27.16 | dataw0lf | everyone who's military should have that attitude |
| 23:27.23 | mheath | I really don't care. I tried the gung-go crap, and it caused me to make some of the stupidest mistakes of my life. |
| 23:27.32 | dataw0lf | if someone does attack your nuclear sub, I can see you're hopeless. |
| 23:27.34 | mheath | I play things smart and I do what I need to do to keep me healthy. |
| 23:27.38 | dataw0lf | so let's hope you have someone more capable than you. |
| 23:27.50 | dataw0lf | yea, like any other shammer. |
| 23:27.53 | mheath | I'm not going to be on a sub, probably. |
| 23:27.56 | dataw0lf | bunch of shammers. |
| 23:28.12 | dataw0lf | go back and play with buttons. |
| 23:28.21 | mheath | Thats the ET's job. I'm an EM :) |
| 23:28.22 | dataw0lf | don't still try to play this military thing |
| 23:28.26 | dataw0lf | because you don't act like it |
| 23:28.27 | mheath | Well, an EM-in-training. :) |
| 23:28.39 | dataw0lf | if you were military, you'd suck it up |
| 23:28.42 | dataw0lf | that's what I'm saying. |
| 23:28.48 | dataw0lf | and you're still not acting like it |
| 23:28.57 | mheath | dataw0lf, No, I am in the military. I am just not some rediculously gung-ho infantry Marine or soldier like you. |
| 23:28.58 | dataw0lf | which, personally, I think is why you got discharged from the USMC so quickly. |
| 23:29.12 | mheath | Because, in my opinion, thats a dumb attitude. |
| 23:29.20 | dataw0lf | Troop. Do you know I still hold e-5 in the military? |
| 23:29.27 | dataw0lf | how about you address me as sergeant. |
| 23:29.32 | dataw0lf | while you're up on your high horse. |
| 23:29.49 | dataw0lf | and get in parade rest. |
| 23:29.59 | dataw0lf | at the computer. |
| 23:30.20 | mheath | dataw0lf, I'm E-4 in 24 weeks. |
| 23:30.27 | dataw0lf | Sgt. Dataw0lf. |
| 23:30.49 | dataw0lf | I don't care if you're general in 2 days. |
| 23:30.53 | dataw0lf | you're a troop. |
| 23:31.06 | dataw0lf | if you're going to address me in a military manner, you better do it right. |
| 23:31.39 | levi | Blah, blah, strut, posture. Can we stop it now, already? |
| 23:31.49 | mheath | Then you better do it right. Electrican's Mate Fireman Heath :) |
| 23:32.07 | dataw0lf | I'm an e-5, I can call you what I want. Did the military not teach you that? |
| 23:32.57 | dataw0lf | If I was over there, I'd smoke the crap out of you and make you learn from whining on a channel you think you have no restrictions in. |
| 23:33.03 | mheath | I'm a horrible atrocitiy of lack of discipline. I mean, oh my god, I passed an Ensign today and just said "How are you doing?"! |
| 23:33.07 | dataw0lf | You're a sailor/troop/whatever |
| 23:33.16 | dataw0lf | Stop complaining. |
| 23:33.21 | dataw0lf | You're enlisted. It happens. |
| 23:33.26 | mheath | dataw0lf, .. |
| 23:33.31 | dataw0lf | No matter what happened in deployments, I never complained. |
| 23:33.32 | mheath | YOU STARTED THIS. |
| 23:33.43 | dataw0lf | Because I signed a contract, you did too. So live with it. And die by it. |
| 23:33.47 | mheath | I'm still just half-interestedly humoring you for fun. Wondering if your being serious about this. |
| 23:33.57 | mheath | All I did was make a comment about how good insurance was nice. |
| 23:34.00 | dataw0lf | just passing the time |
| 23:34.02 | mheath | You turned it into this. |
| 23:34.05 | dataw0lf | I like screwing with you |
| 23:34.43 | mheath | I can tell :) |
| 23:34.43 | dataw0lf | isn't that what superior officers, whether NCO/CO, do? |
| 23:34.43 | dataw0lf | c'mon, dude. |
| 23:34.45 | dataw0lf | I just don't want to hear any complaining. |
| 23:34.46 | mheath | ~lart Inductors and Capacitors |
| 23:34.46 | ibot | pushes the wall down onto Inductors and Capacitors whilst whistling innocently |
| 23:34.49 | dataw0lf | Grates my nerves. |
| 23:35.01 | mheath | hose are going to screw me over on this test on Thursday :( |
| 23:35.15 | tene | ~lart datawolf's nerves |
| 23:35.15 | ibot | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, datawolf's nerves!" and lops off datawolf's nerves's head |
| 23:35.22 | dataw0lf | aieeeeeeee |
| 23:35.26 | mheath | yah, evening colors. |
| 23:35.26 | tene | hehe |
| 23:35.39 | dataw0lf | mheath: here's my real problem. You're complaining about passing a test, and guys are dying over in Iraq. |
| 23:35.40 | mheath | I consider being done with studying and in my room by the time evening colors plays to be the mark of a good day. |
| 23:35.44 | dataw0lf | and, probably, soon to be Iran. |
| 23:35.49 | dataw0lf | so, let's deal with it. |
| 23:35.50 | dataw0lf | Alright? |
| 23:36.07 | mheath | Huh? |
| 23:36.32 | tene | I was complaining about allergies today, while guys are dying over in Iraq. |
| 23:36.48 | mheath | OK, I won't care about the test |
| 23:36.50 | dataw0lf | Deal. With. Passing. The. Test. You sound like a grade school kid in college. Everyone knows, no matter what the program (and yes, I scored extremely high on my Navy test when I was considering EE), and suck it up. |
| 23:37.10 | dataw0lf | mheath: I just want you to know there's much harder things for smart guys like me and you than passing a test. |
| 23:37.30 | dataw0lf | Like taking hostile gunfire and responding at an unknown vector. |
| 23:37.44 | dataw0lf | Or managing a nuclear reactor when you're in a Navy ship. |
| 23:37.48 | dataw0lf | in combat. |
| 23:37.52 | dataw0lf | These things happen. |
| 23:37.55 | mheath | dataw0lf, Not necessarily these tests. Theres people in my class that were 4.0 students in highschool, and one guy who has a bachelors degree in EE, all of whom are very close to failing out of the program. |
| 23:38.09 | mheath | I'm doing well, but I'm paranoid by nature. |
| 23:38.34 | mheath | I'm not complaining, anyway, just commenting that some difficult conflicts we learned today will be difficult to learn intime for a test in two days. |
| 23:38.35 | dataw0lf | I'm just saying, keep it to yourself. Voicing concerns is much worse, in the military, then having them. |
| 23:38.55 | mheath | *shrug* everyone complains here. |
| 23:39.00 | mheath | The Nuke pipline sucks. |
| 23:39.05 | dataw0lf | that's a shame. |
| 23:39.09 | mheath | But the benefits are very worth it |
| 23:39.13 | dataw0lf | and shouldn't be an excuse. |
| 23:39.17 | vontrapp | totem sucks |
| 23:39.33 | mheath | Thats the consensus: 1.5 years of hell, then you reap the benefits |
| 23:39.39 | dataw0lf | Personally, even though I don't support the war in iraq, if all of my soldiers fled, I'd still be fighting. Because I'm a soldier. Not a wuss. |
| 23:39.42 | vontrapp | seriously, totem, totem-mozilla, everytime i try to open some video file, whether in mozilla or other wise, it always wants to open with totem |
| 23:39.44 | mheath | Like being among some of the most employable elite in the US |
| 23:39.51 | dataw0lf | vontrapp: I hear ya. I hate it. |
| 23:39.55 | vontrapp | and guess what, totem NEVER CAN READ THE FILE! |
| 23:40.19 | vontrapp | so i nuke it |
| 23:40.25 | vontrapp | bye bye totem |
| 23:41.07 | mheath | Thats the incorrect usage of nuke (verb). :) |
| 23:41.12 | dataw0lf | mheath: the thing with us, since we're both enlisted, you, active duty, me, reserve (now), we can't give up. Nor even complain. Because complaining IS a weakness. These programs have been designed for years. You have to succeed. Because if you don't, you're not fit to be in em. |
| 23:41.20 | mheath | To nuke: To rediculously overthink with a complete lack of commense sense. |
| 23:41.26 | dataw0lf | ridiculously* |
| 23:41.36 | dataw0lf | and, obviously, common* |
| 23:41.58 | Supaplex | !nuke /proc/self/exe |
| 23:42.11 | mheath | Examples: Don't Nuke it, Recruit! |
| 23:42.33 | mheath | Or the Noun form: That stupid Nuke tried to being a hooker back to his BEQ. |
| 23:42.57 | vontrapp | ~spell mheath |
| 23:43.41 | tene | mheath: what does bringing a hooker back have to do with overthinking? |
| 23:43.45 | vontrapp | heather, hehe |
| 23:43.47 | dataw0lf | mheath: What I want you to understand is that you're not a lone sailor in the mix. You contribute to an ongoing struggle (right, or wrong, doesn't matter), and anything that YOU do to display weakness, can be used against the U.S. |
| 23:44.04 | mheath | WTF? |
| 23:44.11 | mheath | I comment on how I'm nervous about a test |
| 23:44.25 | vontrapp | where'd all these random nuke definitions come from? |
| 23:44.27 | dataw0lf | for example, once you get your complete T.S. and the responsibilities entailed, if you're caught complaining about something in the military, do you know who's going to be there to exploit you. |
| 23:44.38 | tene | vontrapp: they came from mheath, of course. :) |
| 23:44.38 | mheath | This turns into saying that I think I'm a 'lone sailor in the mix" and don't appreciate that I'm contributing to an ongoing struggle? |
| 23:44.44 | dataw0lf | I mean, I was at Pathfinder and Ranger training at Bragg, and there was all sorts trying to get sh*t out of us. |
| 23:44.58 | mheath | vontrapp, I'm in the Navy's Nuclear Propulsion field.....I'm refered to frequently as a "nuke". |
| 23:45.11 | dataw0lf | when we were in Israel, there were a bunch of prostitutes in the bars we frequented who were obviously allied with Islamic interests |
| 23:45.13 | vontrapp | so is fat man |
| 23:45.22 | dataw0lf | if you complain |
| 23:45.32 | dataw0lf | you let them know you an weakness to exploit |
| 23:45.38 | dataw0lf | s/an/have/ |
| 23:45.47 | dataw0lf | and they will use that easily. |
| 23:45.49 | dataw0lf | Trust me. |
| 23:46.01 | dataw0lf | I've seen good soldiers taken down by pride, off of the battle field. |
| 23:46.20 | dataw0lf | so just keep it to yourself. |
| 23:46.21 | tene | So, any interesting news in computer security recently? |
| 23:46.25 | mheath | ~filter gung-ho --from=dataw0lf |
| 23:46.53 | dataw0lf | You're in a sensitive training period, and if you keep on speaking like you are, you'll be cut, or you'll divulge secrets you don't think are sensitive. |
| 23:47.06 | dataw0lf | just saying mheath |
| 23:47.08 | dataw0lf | I have a TS |
| 23:47.13 | dataw0lf | let's see if you can earn the same |
| 23:48.13 | dataw0lf | and if you keep on divulging your training like you do, which you do often, I'll have no recourse but to report you. I'm trying to help you here. |
| 23:48.19 | dataw0lf | You ARE divulging training. |
| 23:48.24 | dataw0lf | Whether you think it's relevant or not. |
| 23:48.30 | dataw0lf | Not a good thing. |
| 23:48.48 | dataw0lf | So, *shrug*, I'd suggest just keeping it to yourself. One of the most valuable skills any military personnel can learn. |
| 23:48.58 | dataw0lf | especially those trying to obtain a real TS clearance. |
| 23:49.28 | dataw0lf | which is the whole point I've been trying to make without being explicit, but you think it's an attack on your pride. |
| 23:49.38 | dataw0lf | another common misconception that is exploited by the enemy. |
| 23:50.18 | mheath | What have I divulged? O.o |
| 23:51.10 | dataw0lf | you've divulged schedules, testing times, YOUR POSITION, variable testing objectives, and just about everything that they should've taught you not to divulge. |
| 23:51.21 | dataw0lf | Just don't talk about it. It's the smartest thing. |
| 23:51.36 | mheath | What? |
| 23:51.49 | dataw0lf | If, as, say a terrorist, know that some of the smarter minds in the enlisted military are going to be taking a test in a couple hours, what do you think I'll do? |
| 23:51.52 | mheath | None of that is classified or restricted information. |
| 23:52.18 | dataw0lf | It doesn't matter if it's 'classified'. I'm surprised noone has told you to keep your mouth shut about your training. |
| 23:52.22 | mheath | The course _material_ is restricted, but not even classified. |
| 23:52.31 | dataw0lf | I'm not talking about course material. |
| 23:52.39 | dataw0lf | I'm talking about the exponents of your training. |
| 23:52.47 | dataw0lf | which you've, frequently, divulged. |
| 23:53.10 | dataw0lf | I can't imagine Navy personnel have not told you to keep your mouth shut about this. |
| 23:53.15 | mheath | <Terrorist> OMG! In the third week of their basic electricity class, they taught them about Capacitors! Quick! We must exploit this! |
| 23:53.34 | mheath | <Terrorist> This will surely lead to the demise of the USA! bwahahah! |
| 23:53.58 | dataw0lf | Didn't the terrorists exploit simple, easy accessible, things like flight plans in 9/11? |
| 23:54.08 | dataw0lf | they're not looking for SUPAR SECRET INFO OMGZ!! |
| 23:54.13 | dataw0lf | they're looking for patterns. |
| 23:54.47 | dataw0lf | heh. |
| 23:55.00 | dataw0lf | while you're in the laundry, consult an officer about what I said, and see what he says. |
| 23:55.03 | dataw0lf | or she. |
| 23:56.49 | dataw0lf | Newer enlisted in the military seem to think the terrorists are attacking successfully our super secret information, or whathaveyou. |
| 23:56.58 | dataw0lf | Who wants that in a war? |
| 23:57.01 | dataw0lf | everybody, probably. |
| 23:57.10 | dataw0lf | but who's willing to spend the resources to obtain it? |
| 23:57.20 | dataw0lf | Not many. Especially terrorists vs the united states. |
| 23:57.51 | dataw0lf | they're going to attack kids like mheath who divulge, unknowingly, simple information that can be collected and used intelligently to cause catastrophe. |
| 23:59.12 | mheath | dataw0lf, guess what? |
| 23:59.22 | mheath | Our class went on an off-base run this morning |
| 23:59.38 | mheath | And they were calling cadences based on definitions of things they had to learn in class |
| 23:59.47 | dataw0lf | I have to go, but so what? |
| 23:59.49 | mheath | Yelling these things at the top of their lungs for the world to hear |