| 00:00.09 | dataw0lf | feraga.com, me and lowkey set that up to help people, it's a pretty easy, debian, solution. |
| 00:00.12 | dataw0lf | encrypted usb install |
| 00:00.13 | atoponce | dataw0lf: and for me, i was *tired* of stfu and rtfm on every other forum and list i visited |
| 00:00.37 | dataw0lf | atoponce: I don't encourage that sort of response. But I expect people to help themselves, or at least learn how to help themselves. |
| 00:00.40 | atoponce | i didn't necessarily want the answer, but courtesy is nice |
| 00:00.54 | atoponce | dataw0lf: 'help' being the key word |
| 00:00.57 | tene | Still, the names "Kubuntu", "Xubuntu", "Blablablabuntu" etc. really annoy me. I just want to grab their keyboard, replace "running Kubuntu" with "running KDE on Ubuntu", and then beat them with it. |
| 00:01.15 | atoponce | tene: to each their own. |
| 00:01.21 | tene | atoponce: /me nods |
| 00:01.28 | dataw0lf | atoponce: courtesy is nice, it's true. But I think it's extremely courteous to point people in the right direction. |
| 00:01.39 | dataw0lf | It's a disservice to handhold someone the entire time |
| 00:01.53 | dataw0lf | which is what the Ubuntu community expected many of the old Debian users to do. |
| 00:01.55 | tene | atoponce: there's a big difference between "rtfm" and "Read the third paragraph on http://very.specific/link/about/the/subject" |
| 00:01.56 | atoponce | beandog: i agree. i don't want the answer, just the right direction to look. if i'm asking, it's because i've exhaused all my known resources in looking for it |
| 00:01.59 | dataw0lf | obviously, that's a bad mix |
| 00:02.07 | dataw0lf | old Debian users + whining newbies. |
| 00:02.09 | beandog | atoponce: yah |
| 00:02.23 | beandog | Im just saying, you can usually tell the difference between someone who has bothered to look and someone who hasn't |
| 00:02.33 | atoponce | beandog: true |
| 00:02.33 | beandog | especially when googling their question will give them the answer |
| 00:02.35 | dataw0lf | Indeed. |
| 00:02.40 | atoponce | agreed |
| 00:03.19 | tene | Sometimes I like to copy/paste quotes from questions into google to see if the answer comes up on the first page. |
| 00:03.31 | dataw0lf | I do it as a matter of course. |
| 00:03.42 | tene | For an interesting read, http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/mail/ |
| 00:03.43 | dataw0lf | 90% of the time? yea, right there, boom. |
| 00:04.06 | tene | Well, "interesting" |
| 00:04.17 | findlay | for me the problem isn't having a good search engine at your disposal, it's knowing what question to ask |
| 00:04.21 | brac | for me in a new chip every so often |
| 00:04.41 | tene | findlay: Yes, but when copying/pasting their question into google gives the answer... |
| 00:04.45 | dataw0lf | findlay: and explaining what you've already tried, and understanding the problem itself. |
| 00:05.14 | findlay | sometimes I just don't know the right keyword(s) |
| 00:05.15 | dataw0lf | like, "HEY ALL I NEED 2 BURN CDS BUT CANT WHATS WRONG NEED HELP SOON PLZ!!! THNX!!!" |
| 00:05.18 | dataw0lf | I mean, c'mon |
| 00:05.52 | findlay | ~help dataw0lf |
| 00:05.53 | beandog | findlay: me too |
| 00:06.29 | beandog | ~google |
| 00:06.31 | ibot | methinks google is a search engine found at http://www.google.com/ |
| 00:06.35 | beandog | ~google foo bar |
| 00:06.44 | beandog | Hmm. |
| 00:06.44 | beandog | :T |
| 00:06.56 | beandog | silly bots. |
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| 02:10.26 | brailsmt | anyone know a simple graphics file format to write an image to? |
| 02:10.49 | brailsmt | bmp is simple enough, but i would prefer a non-MS format |
| 02:10.57 | brailsmt | just out of pure ideology |
| 02:11.34 | linuxalien | png? |
| 02:11.51 | brailsmt | not that simle from what i have seen |
| 02:12.07 | linuxalien | Hmm I'm clueless then. :) |
| 02:12.44 | graphyx | tiff? |
| 02:12.54 | graphyx | bmp? |
| 02:14.15 | mheath | bmp is microsoft? |
| 02:14.28 | macnewbold | brailsmt: pbm / ppm |
| 02:14.34 | graphyx | I doubt it. It has been around fora long time |
| 02:14.39 | mheath | I always thought it was just a non-compressed, literal mapping of the individual bits. |
| 02:14.52 | mheath | Sounded too simple to really belong to....anyone. |
| 02:14.53 | macnewbold | and MS can't truthfully claim they invented that |
| 02:15.18 | macnewbold | another simple one is rle (run length encoding) though not everything supports it (it's a dead simple compression algorithm) |
| 02:15.37 | macnewbold | you probably wouldn't have a terrible time putting together a simple PNG either, and it's unencumbered |
| 02:15.42 | macnewbold | GIF is now too I guess :) |
| 02:15.55 | mheath | Mmm, myrtle beach! :) |
| 02:16.07 | macnewbold | or at least, LZW compressed GIFS are, GIF itself has always been unencumbered I think |
| 02:16.25 | mheath | I love that I'm basically done for the night now :) |
| 02:16.37 | mheath | *For the week |
| 02:17.19 | mheath | I only have a uniform inspection, some lecture, and a lab (which should be kinda fun) tomorrow. Shopping tomorrow night, and Myrtle Beach on Saturday/Sunday :) |
| 02:17.31 | brailsmt | i think I'll just bite the png bullet, thx |
| 02:17.44 | mheath | I like png personally. |
| 02:18.33 | brailsmt | i prefer the images, but writing out a png file doesn't look as simple as i hoped... |
| 02:18.59 | jsmith | Use PPM, and then pipe it through imagemagick |
| 02:19.04 | macnewbold | brailsmt: what language are you using? |
| 02:19.11 | macnewbold | jsmith has a great point |
| 02:19.15 | macnewbold | PPM is very easy |
| 02:19.47 | jsmith | brb |
| 02:19.53 | brailsmt | c++ |
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| 02:20.32 | brailsmt | no, i'm stubborn... direct output to the desired format... |
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| 02:21.58 | macnewbold | brailsmt: try grabbing libpng, I'm pretty sure it is in C |
| 02:22.02 | macnewbold | so it should work fine for you |
| 02:22.09 | brailsmt | yeah, i'm reading over its dox |
| 02:22.23 | macnewbold | or libpnm for that matter |
| 02:22.32 | elg | what are you trying to do? |
| 02:22.57 | macnewbold | "brailsmt: anyone know a simple graphics file format to write an image to?" |
| 02:23.42 | brailsmt | i came across http://www.superjer.com/pixelmachine/ |
| 02:23.50 | brac | [PixelMachine] |
| 02:23.50 | brailsmt | thx to stumbleupon |
| 02:24.03 | brailsmt | and now i want to do the same thing, but my way :) |
| 02:24.05 | elg | netpbm |
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| 02:24.37 | elg | dead easy to read/write the format even without using the provided lib |
| 02:24.54 | elg | and imagemagick can convert it to whatever else you might want |
| 02:24.55 | macnewbold | so that's three votes for pbm/ppm |
| 02:25.26 | macnewbold | but if you need things like transparency, alpha channels, compression, etc., PNG is a great choice too |
| 02:25.53 | brailsmt | pbm might be too simple |
| 02:26.53 | elg | pbm itself (black or white) definitely would be |
| 02:27.07 | elg | pgm (greyscale) or one of the other formats would probably be more appropriate |
| 02:27.30 | elg | there's no bitmap you can't represent with one of the netpbm formats though |
| 02:27.44 | brailsmt | i want the eycandy though... :) |
| 02:27.52 | brailsmt | greyscale isn't sexy enough :) |
| 02:28.01 | elg | well then use the color one |
| 02:28.10 | macnewbold | brailsmt: ppm is portable pix map - full color |
| 02:28.12 | elg | as many colors as you want |
| 02:28.17 | elg | even the sexy ones |
| 02:28.39 | macnewbold | and for really sexy eyecandy, you'll need png, for your alpha channel drop shadows and such |
| 02:28.57 | macnewbold | eyecandy generally has at least something semi-transparent in it, right? |
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| 02:29.41 | elg | macnewbold: transparency is only relevant in reference to the outside world |
| 02:29.52 | elg | if he's ray tracing it probably doesn't have much place |
| 02:31.34 | brailsmt | elg: ok, you have convinced me to takea look at pbm... |
| 02:31.52 | macnewbold | finally |
| 02:31.56 | elg | if you want to do ray tracing from scratch, that sounds like a fun pedagogical excercise |
| 02:32.18 | elg | if you want to make cool images with slightly (lots?) less effort, you might check out povray |
| 02:32.21 | elg | http://www.povray.org/ |
| 02:32.31 | elg | never done it myself, but lukfugl has |
| 02:32.38 | elg | long long ago |
| 02:32.42 | brailsmt | no, i'm looking at the from scratch variety, for fun |
| 02:32.56 | jsmith | brailsmt: You'll also want to check out glut |
| 02:33.03 | brailsmt | i passed on the raytracing in my graphics class in favor of fractals |
| 02:33.40 | brailsmt | no, i want to do it without opengl or other graphics libs... |
| 02:33.52 | mheath | Wow. |
| 02:33.56 | brailsmt | no need for it, its just rendering an image |
| 02:34.06 | brailsmt | wow, what? |
| 02:34.17 | mheath | Ender's Game is on my official reading list |
| 02:34.35 | mheath | IE, a list of books suggested by the senior NCO of the Navy. |
| 02:35.01 | brailsmt | its well worth the read |
| 02:35.11 | mheath | brailsmt, I know, it's one of my favorite books |
| 02:35.14 | brailsmt | its a whole ~200-300 pages |
| 02:35.23 | mheath | But it just kinda surprised me that it would be on an official list like that. |
| 02:35.27 | brailsmt | i heard they were making it a movie |
| 02:35.46 | macnewbold | Ender's Game rocks |
| 02:35.52 | macnewbold | more than words can express |
| 02:35.57 | brailsmt | i read the whole ender's series, but never got past Ender's Shadow |
| 02:35.59 | macnewbold | I've got a signed copy |
| 02:36.11 | macnewbold | I liked the Shadow series a lot too |
| 02:36.17 | brailsmt | i couldn't get into the Shadow series |
| 02:36.20 | graphyx | mheath: that one is on the marine list as well |
| 02:36.23 | mheath | macnewbold, again, seconded |
| 02:36.32 | macnewbold | but it is quite different from the rest of the ender's books |
| 02:36.35 | graphyx | brailsmt: that site is way cool |
| 02:36.35 | brailsmt | i didn't much like the ender series past ender's game |
| 02:36.41 | mheath | But I didn't expect it to be on a list the MCPON is recommending that all US Navy sailors read. |
| 02:36.44 | macnewbold | the shadows are more like ender's game than the 3 ender's game sequels |
| 02:36.57 | graphyx | that is for sure |
| 02:36.59 | macnewbold | it's great battle strategy - all about how important frame of mind is |
| 02:37.09 | brailsmt | i thought xenocide was alright, but the other two were sleepers... |
| 02:37.33 | brailsmt | graphyx: thank stumbleupon :) |
| 02:37.33 | macnewbold | don't just "think outside the box", eliminate the box all together, or redraw one that gives you and advantage ("the enemy's gate is down") |
| 02:38.44 | brailsmt | you just have to ask yourself if the book is on there because you will really be fighting bugs half way across the universe when you really think you're just playing defender, or something... |
| 02:39.18 | graphyx | they don't put that one on the list for the cyber army |
| 02:39.20 | brailsmt | macnewbold: you happen to have a brother that filets squirrels? |
| 02:39.24 | graphyx | just the normal one |
| 02:39.50 | macnewbold | not that I know of, but I wouldn't put it past him |
| 02:40.03 | macnewbold | he's always got at least 3 knives or razor blades or box cutters on him |
| 02:40.13 | macnewbold | and that's when he isn't wearing his toolbelt |
| 02:40.18 | elg | brailsmt: i was going to say, graphics programming (and ray tracing) isn't quite as easy as he makes it look, but I see you've had a graphics class so you're prepared |
| 02:41.20 | brailsmt | elg: well, you know how long ago I graduated... :o |
| 02:41.38 | elg | i still have a few memories from back then |
| 02:41.52 | brailsmt | my graphics class was, what 4-5 years ago... |
| 02:42.02 | brailsmt | whee... |
| 02:42.11 | elg | you don't forget _everything- :) |
| 02:42.18 | brailsmt | and it was scanline graphics, not ray tracing |
| 02:42.40 | brailsmt | yeah, it'll come back pretty quick |
| 02:42.46 | graphyx | raytracing is just math |
| 02:42.48 | graphyx | in 3d |
| 02:43.01 | elg | and physics |
| 02:43.23 | brailsmt | physics was longer ago than my graphics class... *sigh* |
| 02:43.27 | elg | if you want to do things like refraction and bending of light and whatnot |
| 02:43.27 | brailsmt | :) |
| 02:43.38 | graphyx | well if you add in the diffision and such perhaps |
| 02:44.09 | brailsmt | yeah, i think, i'll start with a simple box and 100% reflectivity, for simplicity you know... |
| 02:44.15 | brailsmt | ;p |
| 02:45.10 | elg | this is what I did last semester: http://hans.fugal.net/tmp/organs.png |
| 02:45.20 | elg | not exactly ray tracing, but not exactly not ray tracing either .:) |
| 02:45.50 | elg | i.e. i took into account the light source and its position and how the light reaches the eye, but no bouncing around |
| 03:01.44 | mheath | Goodnight. |
| 03:02.19 | graphyx | me too |
| 03:02.21 | graphyx | night |
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| 03:15.20 | Lone_Wanderer | What's the name of the company that was started up by a guy here in Utah that backs up your PC offsite, automagically and all that? |
| 03:23.50 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: I think it was something like mozy or moxy or something like that |
| 03:24.52 | Lone_Wanderer | that's it thanks! |
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| 03:50.41 | Lone_Wanderer | I accidentally reformatted her backup drive. |
| 03:51.12 | Lone_Wanderer | With the past who knows how many years' worth of family photos, etc. on it. |
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| 04:41.32 | brailsmt | whee.... |
| 04:41.43 | brailsmt | super close lightning strike... |
| 04:41.52 | brailsmt | within 1/10 mile |
| 04:42.02 | brailsmt | ooohh, and now here come the sirens... |
| 04:42.07 | brailsmt | someone's house got hit... |
| 04:42.27 | Sargun | McCraig, Are you stalking me? |
| 04:42.34 | brailsmt | gotta love spring time weather in tornado alley |
| 04:47.28 | McCraig | no! |
| 04:47.31 | McCraig | +B |
| 04:47.35 | McCraig | in ur chan |
| 04:47.37 | McCraig | :( |
| 04:47.50 | tensai | 3.1 GB of free (and legal) music: http://2007.sxsw.com/toolbox/clickquide/index.php |
| 04:48.15 | brailsmt | what is +B? |
| 04:50.08 | Sargun | ban? |
| 05:22.18 | brailsmt | my X apps scroll real slow and choppy, any ideas what might cause the problem? I know this open ended... I haven't used linux a lot in the last year |
| 05:22.55 | brailsmt | and in that time there was a X.org rebuild on my gentoo machine, and i don't know what might have changed between then and now, but i didn't see real slow scrolling before... |
| 05:23.23 | brailsmt | any help as to where i might start looking for a resolution would be greatly appreciated... |
| 05:28.41 | Sargun | post your xorg.conf |
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| 05:48.54 | brailsmt | Sargun: i figured it was correct... hah, its just using the generic vesa driver... i bet that is the problem... |
| 05:49.03 | Sargun | yeah |
| 05:49.16 | Sargun | might explain it |
| 05:50.22 | brailsmt | we'll see :) |
| 06:06.43 | findlay | well, it's tomorrow |
| 06:11.02 | brailsmt | i've got issues with modules and crap for my video card... anyway... i'll deal with it later... |
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| 11:51.53 | bonez41 | Anyone awake at this hour? |
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| 12:47.04 | graphyx | but what about a square watermelon? |
| 12:47.36 | graphyx | http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/05/make_a_square_watermelon.html |
| 12:47.38 | brac | [MAKE: Blog: Make a square watermelon] |
| 12:54.00 | goozbach | my watermelon got eaten by a cat |
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| 13:23.20 | ^Migs^ | productivity sure goes down the crapper around here on Fridays |
| 13:27.27 | graphyx | what is this productivity that you speak of? |
| 13:29.24 | goozbach | yah cause sitting on irc complaining is really productive |
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| 13:53.53 | ^Migs^ | I'm more than capable of multitasking efficiently |
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| 14:03.03 | ^Migs^ | anyone want to be a school tech? http://www.weber.k12.ut.us/index.php?module=joblist&func=display&job_id=1419 |
| 14:03.16 | ^Migs^ | you get all the same benefits as the teachers 'cept you get paid a lot more |
| 14:03.45 | ^Migs^ | we have to fill the position by Monday |
| 14:12.39 | graphyx | Anyone have a good utility that will show how much space that a folder is using? |
| 14:12.42 | graphyx | windows based |
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| 14:19.56 | ^Migs^ | right-click, Properties |
| 14:20.33 | ^Migs^ | it will show that folder plus all subfolders |
| 14:21.09 | ^Migs^ | from the command line, you could just use DIR if you want to get only that one folder, but not subfolders |
| 14:26.12 | ^Migs^ | adorable: http://gamedrift.com/articles.php?a=333 |
| 14:26.13 | brac | [GameDrift - Technology and Gaming Combined - Articles - 22 Month Old Baby Rocks at Wii Sports] |
| 14:30.39 | ^Migs^ | this is why I need a Wii. My kids would love it. |
| 14:30.46 | ^Migs^ | I guess I don't NEED it, really. I just WANT one. |
| 14:35.44 | graphyx | Well I was looking for one o little quicker than that. I am undergoing a system clean up |
| 14:36.15 | graphyx | my laptop was down to 7 Gigs free out of 37 |
| 14:39.38 | graphyx | So typical procedure is uninstall unused programs, delete files from it. Purge huge files (old ISOs for examle), run disk cleanup and follow up with a defrag. |
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| 15:26.24 | atoponce | findlay: ping |
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| 15:39.06 | sjansen | Jayce^ redbeard1: http://www.chucrutecomsalsicha.com/ |
| 15:39.09 | brac | [Chucrute com Salsicha] |
| 15:40.00 | sjansen | (e qualquer outro que fala portugues e gosta comer) |
| 15:43.31 | graphyx | funny pro dvorak quote of the day: http://www.bash.org/?647279 |
| 15:43.33 | brac | [QDB: Quote #647279] |
| 15:52.02 | findlay | atoponce: pong |
| 15:53.16 | atoponce | findlay: i'm wondering if you'd be willing to work part time for us |
| 15:53.23 | findlay | atoponce: doing what? |
| 15:53.46 | atoponce | python/django/ajax |
| 15:54.12 | findlay | sure, but I don't have that much skill/experience with any of those things |
| 15:54.50 | graphyx | atoponce: this for a personal business? |
| 15:55.22 | atoponce | findlay: that's fine. if you're will to learn, we're willing to teach |
| 15:55.45 | atoponce | graphyx: it's for a startup company. we're looking to hire a part time dev |
| 15:55.49 | brac | it's for use in here and there are several Amish settlements around the edges. Dried out. |
| 15:55.59 | findlay | atoponce: why don't you hire brac? |
| 15:56.19 | atoponce | because he'd make me look bad. :) |
| 15:57.11 | atoponce | findlay: i don't know how you enjoy your current job, and if you'd be willing to switch. we can't pay a lot, as we just don't have the deep financial resources yet |
| 15:57.29 | atoponce | but there are plans to change that... :) |
| 15:58.17 | findlay | where are you located? |
| 15:59.08 | atoponce | downtown slc. you'd most likely work from home most the time, but come in the office probably once a week. not sure about that, though |
| 15:59.17 | atoponce | i guess mike would decide that |
| 15:59.19 | atoponce | :) |
| 16:00.16 | findlay | atoponce: well, let me think about it and I'll let you know later |
| 16:00.24 | atoponce | ok. np |
| 16:00.46 | *** join/#utah spr (n=spr@c-71-195-212-252.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 16:01.17 | atoponce | we're not 'offering' per se, just seeing if you'd be interested. that's all. |
| 16:01.21 | atoponce | i don't want to mislead you |
| 16:01.40 | atoponce | but, we are willing to hire a part time dev |
| 16:04.57 | mrpull-x | elg: is the price is right still on? |
| 16:05.11 | mrpull-x | nothing better than sleeping in and watching TPIR |
| 16:05.13 | rsimpkins | This beryl stuff is kinda cool. |
| 16:05.26 | findlay | ~lart elg |
| 16:06.35 | *** join/#utah mgeary (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49) |
| 16:06.43 | mgeary | morning all |
| 16:07.02 | rsimpkins | When I close a window it bursts in to flames. |
| 16:07.07 | brac | When I step through that without big risks associated with that ;-) |
| 16:08.19 | mrpull-x | rsimpkins: the beryl effects I saw were just too much |
| 16:08.37 | rsimpkins | mrpull-x: Too much? |
| 16:08.45 | sjansen | They're great for impressing students. |
| 16:08.50 | mrpull-x | rsimpkins: I can go for the vista/osx 3d effects, but the flames and smoke and stuff are just too silly |
| 16:09.33 | *** join/#utah MXC (n=MXC@204.113.153.90) |
| 16:09.37 | MXC | HEllo |
| 16:09.59 | MXC | anyone here |
| 16:10.29 | *** join/#utah tiwula (n=lane@208.64.90.18.utahbroadband.com) |
| 16:10.40 | rsimpkins | yes |
| 16:10.42 | rsimpkins | Lots of us |
| 16:11.17 | MXC | whats this room about? |
| 16:11.31 | atoponce | MXC: no. no one is here at all. you've reached an ai channel, where you think you're talking with a real person, but you're not |
| 16:11.37 | rsimpkins | It is a room for people from Utah, or are connected with Utah in some way. |
| 16:11.54 | MXC | is live in utah |
| 16:12.01 | MXC | i live in utah |
| 16:12.05 | rsimpkins | Where? |
| 16:12.09 | MXC | ogden |
| 16:12.24 | atoponce | MXC: are you a linux nerd? |
| 16:12.34 | MXC | no really |
| 16:12.48 | MXC | i a freerunner |
| 16:12.55 | atoponce | MXC: http://www.oalug.com |
| 16:13.00 | atoponce | if interested |
| 16:13.20 | mgeary | hey, can anyone here recommend a Toyota dealer that isn't full of car salesjerks? |
| 16:13.33 | atoponce | mgeary: tony davino in riverdale |
| 16:13.51 | levi | I've got a Toyota Solara I could sell you. ;) |
| 16:13.58 | mgeary | i'm looking to get a new Tacoma |
| 16:14.04 | atoponce | mgeary: no games. no pushing. no lies. straight forward honest salesman |
| 16:14.18 | atoponce | i'd recommend them time and time again. |
| 16:14.19 | mgeary | atoponce: is this personal experience talking? |
| 16:14.46 | mgeary | cool |
| 16:14.46 | atoponce | mgeary: yes. i have purchased 3 cars from there |
| 16:14.46 | mgeary | are they a fixed-price, no haggle place? |
| 16:15.08 | atoponce | mgeary: you could haggle, if you want, but there aren't much markup in the toyotas, so you won't get far... |
| 16:15.12 | atoponce | new, that is |
| 16:15.13 | macnewbold | mgeary: I really liked the guy I worked with at Karl Malone Toyota - Bill Radinger (he happens to be their specialist on hybrids as well, if you're interested in one of those) |
| 16:15.19 | atoponce | i guess used is a different story |
| 16:15.31 | mgeary | i'm just looking for a new Tacoma |
| 16:15.39 | macnewbold | a coworker just bought a new tacoma, though I don't know where, and she's out today |
| 16:15.49 | atoponce | mgeary: new, as in '07 new? |
| 16:15.54 | mgeary | yeah |
| 16:16.13 | atoponce | mgeary: then dennis king at tony davino's |
| 16:16.24 | atoponce | tell him i sent you, and you'll be taken care of |
| 16:16.26 | mgeary | but it's really hard to find one that's slimmed-down enough. all the cars on the lots have way more packages than i want to pay for |
| 16:16.35 | mgeary | :/ |
| 16:17.01 | mgeary | atoponce: pm me your info, and i will indeed do that |
| 16:17.13 | sjansen | I'm sure that for a small fee they'd be willing to remove upgrades. ;-) |
| 16:17.48 | *** join/#utah MXC (n=MXC@204.113.151.182) |
| 16:17.56 | MXC | got back |
| 16:18.19 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 16:18.36 | MXC | what |
| 16:18.37 | MXC | ? |
| 16:19.47 | MXC | what is nerd sluik |
| 16:22.29 | sjansen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5HkOSboge4 |
| 16:23.57 | MXC | i can't go to youtube.com |
| 16:24.24 | dataw0lf | sjansen: that's an awesome clip |
| 16:25.16 | dataw0lf | that show is pretty much the sweetest |
| 16:25.41 | MXC | anyone knows how to bypass school computer block system |
| 16:25.55 | sjansen | MXC and police chase scene -- the two reasons to watch SpikeTV |
| 16:25.56 | mgeary | MXC must be at BYU |
| 16:26.06 | atoponce | MXC: tor |
| 16:26.13 | atoponce | MXC: tor.eff.org |
| 16:26.14 | sjansen | mgeary: More likely a high school. |
| 16:26.29 | MXC | high school |
| 16:26.42 | mgeary | MXC why are you on irc during school? ya lazy bum, pay attention! |
| 16:26.53 | mgeary | i swear, kids these days |
| 16:26.59 | *** join/#utah harleypig (n=harleypi@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 16:27.01 | mgeary | ;) |
| 16:27.02 | dataw0lf | kids are never lazy, just unloved. |
| 16:27.03 | MXC | lazy bum you little |
| 16:27.21 | MXC | unloved look how talking |
| 16:27.27 | sjansen | dataw0lf: No, I've known plenty of lazy kids. |
| 16:27.35 | dataw0lf | MXC: yea look how talk I |
| 16:27.40 | *** join/#utah thaddeusq (n=thaddeus@64-205-130-223.client.dsl.net) |
| 16:27.40 | MXC | look at your self |
| 16:27.42 | brac | look at it, but is not a sinner. For comparing a Frank Miller the one i gave you a link to the list? utah asterisk chapter. :) |
| 16:27.43 | harleypig | Tylery Durden had the right idea. He just didn't go far enough. Fucking sheeple need to be culled. |
| 16:27.52 | dataw0lf | sjansen: Yea, I'm just being mean |
| 16:28.02 | sjansen | ~language harleypig |
| 16:28.04 | ibot | ACTION grabs harleypig by the ear and washes harleypig's mouth out with soap |
| 16:29.49 | harleypig | still tastes better than what i've just been through |
| 16:29.51 | *** join/#utah MXC (n=MXC@204.113.151.182) |
| 16:30.04 | MXC | who that hell you thik u are to do that? |
| 16:30.32 | sjansen | ~language MXC |
| 16:30.34 | ibot | ACTION grabs MXC by the ear and washes MXC's mouth out with soap |
| 16:30.50 | thaddeusq | me too |
| 16:31.00 | atoponce | MXC: what did anyone do? |
| 16:31.12 | MXC | are there any people into parkour here |
| 16:31.13 | MXC | ? |
| 16:31.21 | MXC | kick me out |
| 16:31.34 | sjansen | atoponce: MXC probably thinks that he was kicked because he's on an apparently unreliable net link |
| 16:31.36 | atoponce | MXC: no one kicked you out. your connection reset |
| 16:31.42 | atoponce | sjansen: yeah |
| 16:31.51 | bonez39 | ibot, was I dancing around too much for ya? |
| 16:32.09 | MXC | well its the first time it happends |
| 16:32.18 | dataw0lf | MXC: jumping off of urban objects while running? |
| 16:32.24 | MXC | yeah |
| 16:32.28 | MXC | freerunning |
| 16:32.32 | dataw0lf | Yea, it's ridiculous. |
| 16:32.33 | MXC | i love that sport |
| 16:32.34 | mgeary | hey, does anyone here use cronolog for log rotation? |
| 16:32.38 | levi | MXC: Shall we get one of the ops to kick you so you can see what it really looks like when that happens? |
| 16:32.38 | MXC | what |
| 16:32.51 | MXC | just cause u can't do it |
| 16:32.59 | sjansen | mgeary: Just plain ol' logrotate. |
| 16:32.59 | *** mode/#utah [+o elg] by ChanServ |
| 16:33.04 | dataw0lf | Parkour? |
| 16:33.04 | *** kick/#utah [MXC!n=fugalh@216.31.27.110] by elg (elg) |
| 16:33.08 | *** join/#utah MXC (n=MXC@204.113.151.182) |
| 16:33.12 | dataw0lf | I think he was talking to me, elg |
| 16:33.20 | mgeary | hahahaah |
| 16:33.24 | levi | MXC: That's what it looks like when you get kicked. |
| 16:33.24 | MXC | waht |
| 16:33.35 | MXC | all right i see now |
| 16:33.41 | thaddeusq | That was funny. |
| 16:33.54 | MXC | no it was't |
| 16:34.06 | atoponce | ~kick MXC |
| 16:34.07 | ibot | ACTION kicks MXC |
| 16:34.14 | MXC | any true freerunners here |
| 16:34.52 | MXC | i hear there is a team in salt lake and one in provo |
| 16:34.53 | dataw0lf | No. |
| 16:34.58 | atoponce | this is a channel full of nerds. do you honestly think any of us get any exercise? |
| 16:35.08 | dataw0lf | whoa, whoa, speak for yourself atoponce. |
| 16:35.13 | MXC | why not |
| 16:35.15 | mgeary | no, no. he's right |
| 16:35.17 | dataw0lf | I just don't run around a city. |
| 16:35.24 | dataw0lf | jumping off of objects |
| 16:35.27 | dataw0lf | MXC: slcpk.org |
| 16:35.42 | MXC | there is many type of people not just lazy bums |
| 16:35.53 | levi | atoponce: Yeah, ya nerd. I ride my bicycle pretty frequently. ;) |
| 16:35.54 | MXC | yeah slcpk.org |
| 16:36.12 | mgeary | ...lazy bums who irc instead of paying attention at school? |
| 16:36.15 | atoponce | levi: to the end of the driveway just to get the mail doesn't count |
| 16:36.18 | dataw0lf | join #geeksyndicate on irc.efnet.net MXC |
| 16:36.20 | MXC | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.22 | dataw0lf | and talk to Manic Velocity. |
| 16:36.27 | levi | I don't see the point of running around jumping over obstacles in the city either. |
| 16:36.41 | MXC | its the freedom |
| 16:36.42 | levi | Besides, there's no real 'city' in Provo to do it in. |
| 16:36.46 | MXC | there is no point |
| 16:37.00 | dataw0lf | I rock climb, snowboard, and get into barfights, that's all the exercise I need. |
| 16:37.07 | MXC | there is allways a place to start |
| 16:37.08 | atoponce | ah hah |
| 16:37.11 | atoponce | the truth comes out |
| 16:37.19 | atoponce | actually, rock climbing is a tough sport |
| 16:37.26 | levi | atoponce: Most of my lunch rides are ~14 miles through the hills of Draper. |
| 16:37.29 | MXC | i know i use to do it |
| 16:37.32 | dataw0lf | I used to be an instructor in the Grand Tetons |
| 16:37.52 | mgeary | yeah, dataw0lf, how's the bruise healing? |
| 16:37.54 | MXC | holy shit the teacher |
| 16:37.55 | atoponce | levi: cool |
| 16:37.59 | brac | dataw0lf, how's the weather in Utah be interested in the last 4 digits of the form |
| 16:38.00 | atoponce | ~language MXC |
| 16:38.02 | ibot | ACTION grabs MXC by the ear and washes MXC's mouth out with soap |
| 16:38.06 | thaddeusq | I used to be a bobwhite |
| 16:38.12 | atoponce | MXC: seriously. watch your language in this channel |
| 16:38.12 | dataw0lf | during high school and between college and the military, good money for a hobby. |
| 16:38.18 | dataw0lf | mgeary: Almost gone. |
| 16:38.24 | mgeary | ~MXC |
| 16:38.29 | MXC | okay sorry |
| 16:38.42 | MXC | i have this website |
| 16:38.47 | MXC | learnparkour.com |
| 16:38.54 | MXC | www.learnparkour.com |
| 16:38.57 | levi | MXC: We're not interested. |
| 16:39.02 | brac | We're not 'offering' per se, just seeing if brac can do that after I get a motorcycle first |
| 16:39.03 | MXC | no your not |
| 16:39.06 | sjansen | dataw0lf might be |
| 16:39.09 | dataw0lf | MXC: Join irc.efnet.net, and #geeksyndicate |
| 16:39.16 | dataw0lf | and talk to Manic Velocity |
| 16:39.21 | dataw0lf | noone here is interested in parkour |
| 16:39.28 | atoponce | MXC: do you play air guitar? |
| 16:39.28 | dataw0lf | and that's the channel the SLC parkour kids hang out at |
| 16:39.29 | sjansen | well, guess not |
| 16:39.51 | dataw0lf | I went parkouring with Manic once, ridiculous hobby |
| 16:39.54 | MXC | so what do u people do allday long besides siting there |
| 16:40.31 | thaddeusq | This channel is for the discussion of OSS in Utah. |
| 16:40.40 | MXC | i also do psi kinetic abilities |
| 16:40.41 | sjansen | MXC: We've had high schoolers join us before. They all turn out to be annoying. Unable to write proper english. Either interested in completely different stuff, or so inexperienced they spend all their time spouting fan boy fantasies. |
| 16:40.42 | atoponce | well, i have a job. seems to take up most of my time during the day |
| 16:40.42 | rsimpkins | MXC: Most of us have jobs. |
| 16:40.46 | MXC | and martial arts |
| 16:41.20 | sjansen | MXC: You're welcome to stay, but you're going to have to fit in or you'll be motivated to leave. |
| 16:41.32 | atoponce | MXC: do you code? |
| 16:41.50 | MXC | okay |
| 16:41.55 | MXC | i'll fit |
| 16:42.06 | MXC | i only have little time left |
| 16:42.09 | rsimpkins | MXC: I never caught if you use Linux? |
| 16:42.16 | *** join/#utah beandog (n=sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog) |
| 16:42.40 | MXC | what code? |
| 16:42.45 | dataw0lf | nevermind. |
| 16:42.49 | *** topic/#utah by atoponce -> The channel for OSS discussion in Utah | http://www.plug.org/node/28 | Utah Open Source Conference - September 6-8, 2007 | You need to code to fit in, otherwise, sjansen will motivate you to leave. :) |
| 16:42.50 | MXC | no tell me |
| 16:42.53 | rsimpkins | MXC: Do you use Linux? |
| 16:43.00 | MXC | no |
| 16:43.02 | dataw0lf | owwwww |
| 16:43.12 | rsimpkins | MXC: I recommend you try it. It is free you know. |
| 16:43.18 | atoponce | MXC: do you use firefox? |
| 16:43.22 | levi | MXC: Do you know what Open Source is? |
| 16:43.26 | MXC | yeah |
| 16:43.34 | MXC | i hear of it |
| 16:43.37 | dataw0lf | a power move in mortal kombat! |
| 16:43.39 | atoponce | well, that's a start... |
| 16:43.58 | rsimpkins | MXC: Do you know how to burn CDs? |
| 16:44.05 | dataw0lf | you're going to have "Petzold" imprinted on your forehead, mgeary |
| 16:44.06 | MXC | yeah |
| 16:44.23 | rsimpkins | MXC: Okay, you can down load a CD image for free of the Internet that let's you try linux without installing it. |
| 16:44.34 | atoponce | MXC: http://www.ubuntu.com |
| 16:44.44 | rsimpkins | What is a good url for an iso? |
| 16:44.54 | dataw0lf | xmission distributes it, don't they? |
| 16:44.55 | sjansen | All the cool kids* are using Firefox. |
| 16:45.10 | MXC | yeah sure |
| 16:45.11 | levi | MXC: Open Source is ostensibly what this channel is all about. |
| 16:45.24 | MXC | oh i see |
| 16:45.29 | sjansen | *Where "kids" is defined at 20-something+ professional geeks and family members harassed by said geeks. |
| 16:45.34 | atoponce | MXC: look at the topic |
| 16:45.44 | MXC | utah |
| 16:45.56 | dataw0lf | no, that's the name of the channel |
| 16:45.57 | dataw0lf | type |
| 16:45.58 | sjansen | atoponce: Why? When has the topic ever slowed us down? |
| 16:46.00 | dataw0lf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.08 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 16:46.28 | atoponce | sjansen: never, of course. it's just annoying for people to enter a channel saying "what's this all about?" |
| 16:46.34 | MXC | well u guy sure know alot about computers |
| 16:46.41 | rsimpkins | MXC: Just download a 'live cd' image of linux - burn it to a CD, pop it in your computer, reoobt, and see if you like it. |
| 16:46.59 | rsimpkins | MXC: How old are you? |
| 16:47.07 | dataw0lf | guess: 14 |
| 16:47.08 | atoponce | i bet he's under 14 |
| 16:47.08 | sjansen | #utah is for OSS, cooking, Linux, religious flamewars, ricer car mods, complaining, larting, etc. |
| 16:47.09 | levi | MXC: If you really knew what Open Source meant, that wouldn't come as a surprise. |
| 16:47.12 | MXC | is it going to slowdonw my computer |
| 16:47.32 | atoponce | sjansen: don't forget the military |
| 16:47.39 | rsimpkins | MXC: It will be slow because it is running off of the CD drive, but when you are done you just take the CD out and you get your computer back. |
| 16:47.54 | dataw0lf | atoponce: military discussion in here? Never!!! |
| 16:48.04 | sjansen | Man, I wish someone had introduced me to Linux when I was in HS. |
| 16:48.12 | atoponce | dataw0lf: i know. huh? |
| 16:48.15 | MXC | well i just don't want to send my computer for repair |
| 16:48.25 | emcnabb | sjansen: Linux didn't exist when you were in high school |
| 16:48.31 | emcnabb | heck, computers didn't exist |
| 16:48.38 | sjansen | ~lart emcnabb |
| 16:48.41 | rsimpkins | MXC: Do the reasearch. You will see that it does not harm your computer - just get a LIVE CD. Not an install cd. |
| 16:48.43 | sjansen | how apropos |
| 16:48.54 | dataw0lf | sjansen: you should've had students as parents who had an account on a HP-UX server, where you were forced to use as a platform for learning C. |
| 16:48.56 | emcnabb | sjansen is a master of the abacus |
| 16:48.57 | dataw0lf | man |
| 16:49.07 | MXC | okay i'll ask my dad |
| 16:49.07 | dataw0lf | compiling on a shared, old HP-UX server |
| 16:49.08 | dataw0lf | over telnet |
| 16:49.10 | emcnabb | all questions abacus should be directed at sjansen |
| 16:49.15 | dataw0lf | you can see why I'm so bitter. |
| 16:49.15 | MXC | hes one of u guy |
| 16:49.20 | atoponce | MXC: it's been entertaining meeting you. i hope you survive this channel, sjansen specefically |
| 16:49.28 | atoponce | s/ce/ci/ |
| 16:49.44 | sjansen | harumph |
| 16:49.49 | MXC | i'll try |
| 16:49.58 | rsimpkins | MXC: You can not learn unless you try. |
| 16:50.02 | sjansen | All you kids get off my lawn or I'll show you what this shotguns good for! |
| 16:50.06 | MXC | hey so how long u guy been into computer crap |
| 16:50.24 | dataw0lf | sjansen: go and discover fire again, old man |
| 16:50.29 | Jayce^ | were we ever *not*? |
| 16:50.32 | MXC | i'll tryit my self then |
| 16:50.38 | rsimpkins | MXC: First off - please dont' call my job 'crap' - second - a long time. |
| 16:50.46 | emcnabb | MXC: watch out for old, grumpy, single men with scruffy beards (like sjansen) |
| 16:50.50 | atoponce | dataw0lf: i'm still waiting to see how old he is |
| 16:51.10 | sjansen | rsimpkins: Well, technically, if you work with PHP the term is technically correct... |
| 16:51.18 | MXC | not older than u |
| 16:51.34 | atoponce | 14? |
| 16:51.42 | MXC | what ever |
| 16:51.45 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Has woody been telling stories? :) |
| 16:51.46 | emcnabb | MXC: this is what sjansen looks like: http://jimmysweblog.net/2004/10/richard-stallman.jpg |
| 16:51.46 | thaddeusq | not many people in here are older than sjansen. |
| 16:51.49 | atoponce | 15 |
| 16:51.49 | dataw0lf | sjansen: OMG, no, PHP is the greatest language EVAR!!! |
| 16:51.53 | dataw0lf | it has... functions! |
| 16:52.03 | dataw0lf | and.... uhm, HTTP! Yes, HTTP! |
| 16:52.16 | sjansen | And it's object oriental! |
| 16:52.18 | atoponce | dataw0lf: don't forget a cli |
| 16:52.22 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, and you don't have to go looking in namespaces for them either, they are all right there for you.. |
| 16:52.32 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: And it is streaming! |
| 16:52.35 | brac | And it is similar in many scandanavian countries... |
| 16:52.37 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: And it has XML!!!! |
| 16:52.39 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: yea, with completely unrelated and bizarre naming conventions! |
| 16:52.41 | *** join/#utah ScytheBlade1 (n=Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1) |
| 16:52.48 | dataw0lf | rsimpkins: AND AJAX! |
| 16:52.49 | sjansen | (Although nobody ever need object oriental programming to create real apps.) |
| 16:53.01 | levi | I can't recall if my first Linux install was in high school or shortly afterward. I know I definitely had a unix shell account while I was in high school. |
| 16:53.02 | emcnabb | I like PHP because its name is a palindrome |
| 16:53.06 | elg | sjansen: that's where object occidental comes in |
| 16:53.18 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 16:53.19 | MXC | okay i can't understand anything |
| 16:53.23 | dataw0lf | 14, my first install of Linux |
| 16:53.26 | levi | It's one or the other. East or West. |
| 16:53.35 | rsimpkins | MXC: Some day you will. |
| 16:53.39 | dataw0lf | Slackware -> FreeBSD -> RH -> Debian |
| 16:53.51 | rsimpkins | MXC: You are IRCing, which means you have a hidden geek inside of you waiting to break out. |
| 16:53.53 | MXC | i hope so |
| 16:54.07 | elg | i wonder sometimes how long it would have taken me to find linux without schallee |
| 16:54.14 | emcnabb | MXC: just don't turn out like sjansen |
| 16:54.15 | MXC | man now that motivation |
| 16:54.15 | elg | a matter of months? weeks? years? |
| 16:54.33 | emcnabb | I haven't talked to schaellee much since he moved to Chicago |
| 16:54.40 | dataw0lf | I can thank MUDs for my entire history of being a geek |
| 16:54.50 | elg | I haven't much either. Just a few times |
| 16:54.55 | dataw0lf | otherwise, I may have become... I dunno, a cat burglar, or something. |
| 16:55.00 | elg | what with being busy moving, birthing, etc. |
| 16:55.08 | lukfugl | elg: haven't heard on him in a long time... how's ed? |
| 16:55.17 | emcnabb | so, it's 80 degrees here today |
| 16:55.25 | elg | doing pretty well I guess. up to 3 kids now? at least 2. in Chicago |
| 16:55.26 | dataw0lf | emcnabb: in SLC? |
| 16:55.28 | sjansen | ~punish emcnabb |
| 16:55.29 | ibot | ACTION forces emcnabb to install and use Windows |
| 16:55.38 | emcnabb | dataw0lf: North Carolina |
| 16:55.40 | elg | -weather klru |
| 16:55.41 | brac | 23 minutes ago, on Fri Mar 23 16:33:00 UTC 2007, the wind was blowing at a speed of 1.54 meters per second (3.45 miles per hour) from the North/Northwest at KLRU. The temperature was 16 degrees Celsius (61 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1013 hPa (29.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 63.2%. There were scattered clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet) and broken |
| 16:55.41 | brac | clouds at a height of 3353 meters (11000 feet). |
| 16:55.45 | *** join/#utah Lone_Wanderer (n=chatzill@cg.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 16:55.51 | dataw0lf | emcnabb: ahhh, right. |
| 16:55.58 | MXC | okay i'll go back to ppsociety now somewhere i know what i'm doing |
| 16:56.05 | elg | it's a nice cool day here today. finally |
| 16:56.19 | rsimpkins | ~weather kslc |
| 16:56.30 | dataw0lf | ~weather krno |
| 16:56.35 | emcnabb | MXC: leaving already? |
| 16:56.51 | MXC | yeah |
| 16:56.54 | rsimpkins | ~weather ksgu |
| 16:57.08 | rsimpkins | There is something wrong. |
| 16:57.12 | MXC | one more thing |
| 16:57.13 | *** join/#utah ^Migs^ (n=migs@205.122.50.69) |
| 16:57.28 | MXC | why don't u try the weather you self |
| 16:57.36 | ^Migs^ | http://www.justin.tv |
| 16:57.38 | emcnabb | MXC: ? |
| 16:57.45 | dataw0lf | MXC: you should see our skin complexions |
| 16:58.22 | Supaplex | almost zombie like |
| 16:58.46 | MXC | okay i will hey thank to that guy that was showing me stuff |
| 16:58.57 | JoshH | i have a nice monitor tan |
| 16:58.59 | brac | i have to change some ftp client setting so uploaded files |
| 16:59.33 | rsimpkins | Can someone make brac stop spouting off random junk? I swear I'm putting him on ignore if it doesn't stop. |
| 16:59.38 | emcnabb | and I thought xbmodder was clueless |
| 16:59.40 | dataw0lf | JoshH: jeez, haven't seen you in a while. |
| 16:59.44 | elg | it won't hurt his feelings if you do |
| 16:59.58 | Supaplex | sup JoshH |
| 16:59.58 | emcnabb | elg: bots should only speak when spoken to |
| 17:00.04 | sjansen | JoshH: You know, it only takes SPF 3 to protect yourself from monitor radiation. |
| 17:00.04 | JoshH | hey scott |
| 17:00.09 | elg | that's what they used to say about people |
| 17:00.17 | lukfugl | but brac ramblings can be sooo fun |
| 17:00.54 | sjansen | He was on topic more often than me. :-( |
| 17:00.59 | Jayce^ | Death to Random Bot Comments!! |
| 17:01.08 | emcnabb | sjansen: shut it |
| 17:01.08 | rsimpkins | I'll make one up for you: watermellon linux on top of car do you like see? |
| 17:01.09 | elg | -markov probability 40 |
| 17:01.10 | lukfugl | haw can you argue with "brac: We're not 'offering' per se, just seeing if brac can do that after I get a motorcycle first" |
| 17:01.10 | brac | sure |
| 17:01.13 | sjansen | ~shut emcnabb |
| 17:01.16 | brac | haw can you tell an app to stream shows over the head with a wireless division, which gets sold off to her was... biased... |
| 17:02.08 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 17:02.22 | elg | Jayce^, rsimpkins: I'll make a trade. I'll turn off markov if we turn off list reply-to |
| 17:02.34 | Jayce^ | or I'll just kb him :) |
| 17:02.38 | emcnabb | Jayce^: kb elg! |
| 17:02.44 | rsimpkins | lol |
| 17:02.47 | emcnabb | down with the fugals! |
| 17:02.51 | brac | down with elg! |
| 17:02.58 | emcnabb | nice brac |
| 17:03.05 | lukfugl | lol |
| 17:03.13 | Jayce^ | that worked surprisingly well |
| 17:03.15 | elg | traitor |
| 17:03.28 | Supaplex | hehee |
| 17:03.42 | sjansen | death to mcnabbs! (except amcnabb, pmcnabb & smcnabb) |
| 17:03.54 | elg | -nick botmcnabb |
| 17:04.14 | lukfugl | -nick mcbrac |
| 17:04.16 | botmcnabb | insufficient "nick" auth (have 10, need 80) |
| 17:04.19 | lukfugl | aww |
| 17:05.20 | lukfugl | brian: does phoenix live on both web1/web2, or just one of them? |
| 17:05.23 | botmcnabb | does phoenix live on in upper-level research portions of my email account and SPAMs anyone who wants to brag about actually creating pure parallel processing class we report on scaling and how it costs more to tell how many roomies? |
| 17:05.34 | elg | seriously, people. random teenagers wander in all the time and spout less coherent streams of words than brac. it's IRC. live with it |
| 17:05.44 | lukfugl | oops, wrong channel |
| 17:05.44 | elg | or /ignore brac |
| 17:05.50 | elg | -nick brac |
| 17:05.51 | botmcnabb | wrong channel :) |
| 17:05.58 | elg | -markov probability 1 |
| 17:05.59 | brac | done |
| 17:06.27 | emcnabb | be nice to the mcnabbs |
| 17:06.38 | elg | ~pet emcnabb |
| 17:06.40 | ibot | ACTION reaches over and pets emcnabb on the head, saying "There, there! It'll all be ok!" |
| 17:07.51 | sjansen | ~poison emcnabb |
| 17:07.53 | ibot | ACTION brews up the best industrial metal cleaner and injects a precise measure into emcnabb |
| 17:08.01 | sjansen | That'll teach you to keep off my lawn! |
| 17:08.20 | elg | ~learn sjansen |
| 17:16.08 | sjansen | http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=osstats |
| 17:16.12 | brac | [Folding@Home] |
| 17:16.47 | sjansen | I love making fun of the PS3, but that's one sexy chart. |
| 17:27.55 | emcnabb | pretty soon he'll be dating ibot |
| 17:28.59 | emcnabb | ~date sjansen |
| 17:29.01 | ibot | you date sjansen |
| 17:29.14 | emcnabb | ibot: heck no |
| 17:38.40 | Jayce^ | no, introduce him to PHP, then he'll truly be scarred for life... |
| 17:38.53 | levi | Jayce^: But he wouldn't realize it. |
| 17:38.54 | Jayce^ | that, or send him a picture of the harleypig thong! |
| 17:39.33 | sjansen | Jayce^: I'm pretty sure there's several federal laws against that. |
| 17:40.46 | Jayce^ | for good reason |
| 17:42.14 | sjansen | ~whaleslap emcnabb |
| 17:42.17 | ibot | ACTION beats emcnabb upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 17:43.36 | sjansen | I can't be the only one that dreams of having a teraflop compute cluster at home. |
| 17:45.57 | emcnabb | I hear irssi screems on teraflop clusters |
| 17:46.11 | emcnabb | sjansen: you could do some mean IRCing on that bad boy! |
| 17:47.26 | levi | sjansen: But what would you /do/ with it? |
| 17:47.52 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@216.31.27.110) |
| 17:48.41 | sjansen | levi: I'm still working on that. By the time I actually have one, I'm sure I'll have found a use. |
| 17:50.19 | levi | sjansen: See, I have the opposite problem. I've got access to clusters, but nothing to do with them. |
| 17:50.51 | sjansen | levi: Offer to transcode #utah's DVD collection. |
| 17:51.17 | levi | sjansen: Hmm. Too much manual labor involved. |
| 17:51.24 | sjansen | heh |
| 17:51.27 | emcnabb | sjansen: I have 7 or 8 DVDs, shouldn't take too long |
| 17:53.01 | levi | Time for a bike ride. |
| 17:55.31 | sjansen | So I'm reviewing the RHEL5 release notes and documentation. All I have to say is... Must. Resist. Urge. To. Poke. Eyes. Out. |
| 17:55.56 | graphyx | levi you bike much? |
| 17:56.05 | graphyx | I did 10 miles 2 days ago |
| 17:56.09 | graphyx | was a nice ride |
| 17:56.19 | emcnabb | sjansen: why? |
| 17:56.43 | elg | anyone know tricks for getting the wax off of new cast iron without scrubbing for 4 hours? |
| 17:56.51 | elg | can I just cook it off in the oven or something? |
| 17:56.54 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, throw in a reference to harley on the diving board wearing a jockstrap in the docs, and sjansen really will gouge his eyes out |
| 17:57.13 | Jayce^ | elg, wax? careful it doesn't flame up in your oven.. |
| 17:57.27 | elg | i doubt there's enough to flame |
| 17:57.31 | Jayce^ | I was just reseasoning mine outside last night.. nice to be able to do it outside |
| 17:57.57 | elg | it's not a tangible wax, really. I can't tell when I scrub any off except that there's a film on the water |
| 17:58.07 | elg | so I have no way of knowing if it's off, except scrubbing like a madman for 5 hours |
| 17:58.11 | elg | which i'm not excited to do |
| 17:58.22 | graphyx | umm you should try this |
| 17:58.36 | graphyx | Wax will soak into paper easily |
| 17:58.56 | graphyx | heat up the pan and use paper to soak up the wax |
| 17:59.16 | graphyx | I think wax will melt at around 200 degrees |
| 18:02.18 | elg | good idea |
| 18:02.20 | brac | good idea what she's doing something like that. |
| 18:02.36 | elg | i'm actually bringing a bunch of water to boil now. that should get things nice and hot |
| 18:02.45 | elg | then I"ll scrub with the scrub bar thing |
| 18:02.53 | elg | then I'll wipe with paper towel while still hot |
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| 18:12.06 | graphyx | sounds like a plan |
| 18:12.23 | graphyx | some good absorbent paper towels should do the trick |
| 18:14.04 | sjansen | ~absorb elg |
| 18:14.31 | graphyx | resistance is futile! |
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| 18:42.24 | maquis | elg: speaking from experience: don't stick large quantities of wax in the oven |
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| 18:47.59 | ^Migs^ | did you hear about ps3 opening at london? |
| 18:48.03 | emcnabb | ~wax elg |
| 18:48.14 | ^Migs^ | all the guys who preordered and went to the midnight release got a 46" plasma hdtv |
| 18:51.24 | jsmith | All four of them?!? |
| 18:52.31 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 18:56.05 | Lone_Wanderer | ~marry levi for his "Oh, the irony" post. |
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| 18:59.58 | elg | can't buy me looooove |
| 19:04.50 | goozbach | fozzmoo!!!! |
| 19:04.52 | goozbach | run! |
| 19:05.23 | graphyx | ^Migs^: are you serious?? |
| 19:05.25 | graphyx | wow |
| 19:05.27 | graphyx | thats cool |
| 19:05.44 | graphyx | I suppose that that would be one of the only ways that I would buy one |
| 19:05.58 | graphyx | if I got a 46" hdtv for free with it |
| 19:10.01 | nick125_lappy | Let me guess, you'd sell the PS3 on ebay and keep the TV? |
| 19:10.24 | graphyx | I don't know |
| 19:10.29 | graphyx | will they sell on ebay? |
| 19:14.48 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWtS-M5aHQs |
| 19:29.33 | rsimpkins | I should know this, but don't. How do you tell which run level you are currently in? |
| 19:30.53 | goozbach | rsimpkins: you're gonna slap yourself |
| 19:31.01 | graphyx | heh |
| 19:31.03 | goozbach | this one is gonna hurt |
| 19:31.08 | emcnabb | ouch |
| 19:31.08 | goozbach | the command is: |
| 19:31.10 | goozbach | .... |
| 19:31.13 | goozbach | runlevel |
| 19:31.17 | rsimpkins | doh! |
| 19:31.21 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 19:31.30 | graphyx | goozbach: you make me laugh |
| 19:31.51 | emcnabb | graphyx: laugh with, or at? |
| 19:32.05 | emcnabb | or both? |
| 19:32.15 | graphyx | both |
| 19:32.26 | graphyx | emcnabb: so tell me |
| 19:32.30 | graphyx | redhat insider |
| 19:33.01 | emcnabb | 42 |
| 19:33.14 | graphyx | Is there any licencing that would stop me from having a cluster of rhel 5 servers that all did the same thing but only having one support instance? |
| 19:33.26 | graphyx | and using that one to patch all the others? |
| 19:33.46 | mheath | OORAH PHASE 2 NMT. |
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| 19:34.09 | emcnabb | graphyx: technically, no |
| 19:34.12 | graphyx | ok |
| 19:34.19 | emcnabb | I guess you could |
| 19:34.19 | graphyx | that is what I thought |
| 19:34.22 | sjansen | Whoa... Looks like UHP has gotten sneakier. |
| 19:35.06 | emcnabb | graphyx: but if you've having problems with the cluster and you need support, that's when you'll run into problems |
| 19:35.10 | sjansen | There's a golden crew cab truck with tool box flashing like an unmarked cop car. The driver is plain clothes but packing. |
| 19:35.11 | graphyx | sure |
| 19:35.18 | emcnabb | and don't you want to support OSS? |
| 19:35.20 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 19:35.43 | graphyx | I don't have any systems that I maintain |
| 19:36.03 | emcnabb | I need to throw in IANAL |
| 19:36.15 | emcnabb | and I do not represent RH |
| 19:36.20 | beandog | whats he packing? |
| 19:36.25 | graphyx | It was more a question of theory |
| 19:36.31 | emcnabb | graphyx: gotcha |
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| 19:37.32 | sjansen | beandog: duh! burritos, of course |
| 19:38.10 | sjansen | no surprise a marked, uniformed officer was called, but he's just standing back letting the plain clothes do the talking |
| 19:38.11 | mheath | HOORAH Myrtle Beach :) |
| 19:38.27 | emcnabb | mheath: what time? |
| 19:38.39 | mheath | emcnabb, 1400 SHARP! ;-) |
| 19:38.57 | mheath | (2:00PM) |
| 19:39.16 | emcnabb | oh, ok |
| 19:39.18 | mheath | Heh, I actually will be back on base ~2:00PM |
| 19:39.19 | emcnabb | EST? |
| 19:39.29 | emcnabb | just want to make sure I don't miss you |
| 19:39.52 | mheath | emcnabb, Indeed. It's a a date. |
| 19:40.09 | emcnabb | woohoo! |
| 19:40.20 | graphyx | whats wrong with myrtle beach? |
| 19:40.30 | emcnabb | mheath is going to get plastered |
| 19:40.35 | emcnabb | and the ladies |
| 19:40.53 | graphyx | and since when did emcnabb and mheath get along so well? Or is this just such extreme sarcasm that I can't tell? |
| 19:41.02 | emcnabb | sarcasm, no more |
| 19:41.21 | mheath | emcnabb, the ladies are going to what? |
| 19:41.25 | mheath | Get got by me? :P |
| 19:41.50 | mheath | Heh, I'd wear my uniform strictly for that purpose. But we still don't switch to summer uniforms until next week |
| 19:42.06 | mheath | The idea of wearing dress blues by the beach == not appealing |
| 19:42.07 | emcnabb | mheath: no, there will just be a lot their to tempt you |
| 19:42.14 | emcnabb | there |
| 19:42.15 | graphyx | I've been to myrtle beach |
| 19:42.21 | sjansen | graphyx: emcnabb's true love will always be xbmodder |
| 19:42.25 | mheath | I did not receive the abstance brief today. |
| 19:42.26 | graphyx | long time ago |
| 19:42.29 | mheath | (that was two weeks ago :P) |
| 19:42.37 | mheath | *abstinance |
| 19:42.52 | emcnabb | mheath: no baby makin' |
| 19:43.10 | graphyx | Well the last thing we need is a bunch of little mheaths running all over south Carolina. |
| 19:43.34 | mheath | Indeed |
| 19:43.37 | mheath | People target sailors |
| 19:43.45 | emcnabb | anywhere |
| 19:43.49 | mheath | Women purposely try to get pregnant so you'll owe them child support |
| 19:43.50 | sjansen | The south will rise again! |
| 19:43.58 | mheath | We kept getting warned about that, in bootcamp and here. |
| 19:44.00 | mheath | It happens. |
| 19:44.25 | mheath | sjansen, The Confederate States of Heath. |
| 19:44.42 | mheath | OK, off to the mall - I can feel the non-issue fabrics already! |
| 19:45.04 | pmcnabb | the CSH? why would they want c-shell? |
| 19:45.48 | sjansen | pmcnabb: You no better than that. Nobody _wants_ the c-shell. |
| 19:46.23 | mheath | You no better than that |
| 19:46.37 | mheath | Bad grammer or bad spelling: choose one. |
| 19:46.38 | sjansen | (Hmm, because of a typo I seem to be implying that a mcnabb is no better than csh... I think I'll let it stand until he renounces all relations with emcnabb.) |
| 19:46.47 | pmcnabb | sjansen: i'd be offended if you said i was no better than the c-shell |
| 19:47.15 | pmcnabb | i don't think i can renounce a relation with emcnabb |
| 19:47.32 | emcnabb | pmcnabb: sucks to be you |
| 19:47.37 | sjansen | Death to the emcnabb sympathizer! |
| 19:47.51 | mheath | OK, seriously, have a good weekend. |
| 19:48.59 | pmcnabb | i know emcnabb has some issues, but he's not _that_ bad... |
| 19:49.06 | goozbach | are you really gone this time? |
| 19:49.57 | graphyx | he is just lurking |
| 19:50.07 | graphyx | just like the good old whack a mole |
| 19:50.07 | pmcnabb | or screening |
| 19:50.25 | graphyx | waiting to pop up at any suspecting time to taunt me evermore |
| 19:50.29 | sjansen | Further proof that repeated exposure to emcnabb can cause longre term nerve and brain damage. |
| 19:50.40 | graphyx | s/suspecting/unsuspecting/ |
| 19:51.00 | sjansen | ~define longre |
| 19:51.12 | ibot | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 19:51.17 | graphyx | ~dict longre |
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| 20:07.37 | atoponce | beandog: see my post? |
| 20:07.44 | beandog | yah |
| 20:07.47 | beandog | I havent had time to do anything yet |
| 20:10.09 | Jayce^ | s/time/hope/ |
| 20:10.57 | atoponce | s/less/ful/ |
| 20:12.25 | lukfugl | s/hope/aw/ |
| 20:22.09 | sjansen | ~lart beandog for intolerable cruelty |
| 20:22.47 | sjansen | I'm all for Jayce^ suffering, but somethings are too inhuman to stand by and idly watch. |
| 20:24.22 | emcnabb | sjansen is a closet PHP hacker... come on sjansen, admit it |
| 20:25.16 | dataw0lf | sjansen, have you been writing vulnerable forum software again? |
| 20:39.23 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The channel for OSS discussion in Utah | http://www.plug.org/node/28 | Utah Open Source Conference - September 6-8, 2007 | Get off my lawn you stupid kids! |
| 20:45.38 | fozzmoo | goozbach!!!! |
| 20:45.55 | sjansen | moo! |
| 20:49.47 | Jayce^ | moo |
| 20:50.00 | Jayce^ | hey fozzmoo paintball tomorrow? :) |
| 20:50.16 | emcnabb | Jayce^: sure, you want to come over to my place? |
| 20:50.28 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, nah, mine :) |
| 20:50.43 | Jayce^ | heck, I'll even give you paint emcnabb :) |
| 20:50.57 | emcnabb | Jayce^: come on... we have a forest preserve in the backyard |
| 20:51.14 | emcnabb | Jayce^: I invited you to come many times, but you always had an excuse |
| 20:51.50 | graphyx | Jayce^: where do you guys paintball? |
| 20:52.06 | Jayce^ | graphyx, our normal practices are at our field in Eagle Mountain.. |
| 20:52.12 | graphyx | I'll be in slc next week thurs- sat morning |
| 20:52.13 | Jayce^ | BLM land on the mountain. |
| 20:52.34 | graphyx | for an interview with L-3 |
| 20:52.35 | Jayce^ | next saturday most our guys will be up in N SLC, at the SpecOps field.. |
| 20:52.42 | sjansen | My favorite excuse was "I'm afraid Lisa will want to come too. I don't want to be schooled by my wife in front of the guys." |
| 20:52.43 | graphyx | I don't play |
| 20:52.47 | graphyx | but would be fun |
| 20:52.54 | graphyx | lol |
| 20:52.56 | Jayce^ | they are doing a grand opening fest for the new store |
| 20:53.02 | graphyx | @ sjansen quote |
| 20:53.03 | Jayce^ | there's always a first time |
| 20:53.09 | graphyx | Sure |
| 20:53.21 | graphyx | bet I don't have a ton of money to invest in gear. |
| 20:53.42 | Jayce^ | can start small, and I'll always loan people something there first times |
| 20:54.11 | sjansen | graphyx: You're in luck. I can get my hands on some decent gear and it'll only cost you 1 quarter of a ton of money. |
| 20:56.29 | Jayce^ | sure scare him away.. |
| 21:03.30 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: Oh, if I had known prior to today! |
| 21:04.40 | Jayce^ | suuure |
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| 21:09.27 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 21:09.43 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.47 | herlo | sjansen: travel, that's what you gotta do, travel man! |
| 21:12.05 | Jayce^ | been looking at getting a t-shirt that says... "Some people go to a psychiatrist. I go play paintball" |
| 21:12.17 | Jayce^ | http://www.docsmachine.com/tees/ |
| 21:12.19 | brac | [Doc's Paintball Tees!] |
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| 21:41.54 | tensai | Jayce^: he scared redbeard1 off. that's hard to do. |
| 21:41.58 | *** join/#utah redbeard1 (n=redbeard@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 21:42.07 | Jayce^ | or he just wanted to show that off |
| 21:44.14 | *** part/#utah pmcnabb (n=peter@otherlab.cs.byu.edu) |
| 21:51.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I wonder how high the bot in #idlerpg can count before it rolls over to negative numbers |
| 21:52.04 | Lone_Wanderer | or if it's sufficiently sophisticated to avoid that kind of attack |
| 21:58.32 | levi | How would that constitute an attack? |
| 21:59.11 | harleypig | http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9013945&pageNumber=8 |
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| 22:02.11 | stuporglue | /exit |
| 22:02.14 | stuporglue | /close |
| 22:02.16 | *** part/#utah stuporglue (n=root@tmpserver-48-243.et.byu.edu) |
| 22:02.51 | fozzmoo | hee hee. |
| 22:13.46 | *** part/#utah fozzmoo (n=fozz@65.89.234.66) |
| 22:18.48 | atoponce | beandog: ping |
| 22:34.36 | sjansen | Anyone know who tuxinator.linux@gmail.com is? |
| 22:35.17 | levi | It's tuxinator.linux |
| 22:39.48 | jsmith | sjansen: Yes, I know him... why? |
| 22:43.41 | atoponce | mutt.org down for anyone else? |
| 22:44.12 | spr | atoponce: yep |
| 22:44.48 | atoponce | bummer |
| 22:45.17 | atoponce | brac: say 'that sux!' |
| 22:45.18 | brac | insufficient "say" auth (have 10, need 70) |
| 22:46.38 | atoponce | i guess my question, is then, how do you open attachments in mutt? |
| 22:47.05 | atoponce | if mutt is on a remote server in screen, nonetheless |
| 22:47.06 | Supaplex | with $PAGER $MAILBOX ;) |
| 22:48.43 | atoponce | ok... i'll look into that. next question: |
| 22:48.55 | atoponce | how can i have mutt notify me that there is a new message? |
| 22:49.52 | spr | like in mutt? or outside of mutt? |
| 22:50.00 | atoponce | outside of mutt |
| 22:50.19 | *** part/#utah bonez39 (n=bonez@c-71-195-250-0.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 22:50.21 | spr | I've always used other maildir watching programs for that |
| 22:50.39 | mrpull-x | atoponce: put your SMS address in your .forward file |
| 22:51.06 | atoponce | mrpull-x: sms, as in text msg to the cell? |
| 22:51.35 | mrpull-x | atoponce: yeah. then you'll get annoyed each time you get a message |
| 22:51.46 | mrpull-x | atoponce: probably not the solution you are looking for |
| 22:51.56 | atoponce | heh. and charged fairly steeply too, i'm sure... :) |
| 22:51.58 | mrpull-x | atoponce: killing 11 minutes |
| 22:52.09 | mrpull-x | atoponce: gotta get the unlimeted plan |
| 22:52.15 | mrpull-x | atoponce: or get someone else to pay |
| 22:52.16 | atoponce | mrpull-x: yeah |
| 22:52.19 | atoponce | too cheap |
| 22:52.57 | mrpull-x | atoponce: that is where the "get someone else to pay" comes it |
| 22:53.02 | mrpull-x | s/it/in/ |
| 22:53.24 | atoponce | make the company do it. :) |
| 22:54.33 | atoponce | i just need to drop my thunderbird crutch, and start using it |
| 22:56.02 | atoponce | i just need- 1: ability to setup message filters, 2: gpg integration, 3: ability to read messages in separate folders |
| 22:56.20 | atoponce | if i can do those, i'm sold |
| 22:59.18 | levi | I use gnus in emacs for mail reading. It does all of that stuff fairly well, though I don't use gpg with it. |
| 22:59.55 | levi | I used to forward non-list email to my cell phone, but that gets tiresome quickly if you don't have really good anti-spam measures. |
| 23:01.19 | atoponce | i have this great extension for thunderbird, where it puts a mail icon in the status tray, which is very nice |
| 23:01.39 | atoponce | but, i really don't need to be notified. it's not that big of a deal, it's just good to stay on top of |
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| 23:02.37 | mrpull-x | i sync my wm6 phone with my mailbox it is nice to always have it handy |
| 23:06.57 | levi | I forward all of my email to gmail, then POP it to my home server via fetchmail, and read it there in gnus. |
| 23:06.57 | levi | Usually gnus is in screen, too. |
| 23:06.57 | atoponce | i setup an imap server at home, then forwarded my gmail to there, just for thunderbird |
| 23:06.58 | atoponce | but, i'd like to test-drive more text-based clients, and seeing as though i don't know emacs, mutt seems good |
| 23:07.28 | *** part/#utah harleypig (n=harleypi@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 23:10.03 | mrpull-x | these days I just dont see any advantage to a text based mail reader |
| 23:10.08 | mrpull-x | (for me at least) |
| 23:10.46 | levi | I don't really care how you end up reading email, I'm just plugging my emacs solution because there's so much groundless anti-emacs sentiment here, and I think emacs is way cool. |
| 23:11.54 | levi | mrpull-x: The only real advantage to a text interface is the ability to run it via ssh. But some text mail clients are better than their graphical counterparts in non-interface areas. |
| 23:12.24 | brailsmt | emacs sucks, vim teh r0x0rz!!!!1 |
| 23:12.44 | mrpull-x | levi: I know that Exchange/Outlook isn't popular around here, but I can use my phone, webmail, or the fat client anywhere that I am |
| 23:12.45 | levi | vim can be the r0x0rz!!!!1 without emacs sucking. |
| 23:12.59 | mrpull-x | and if I need to open an attachment, it isn't 10 step process |
| 23:13.10 | brailsmt | bah, they are mutually exclusive |
| 23:13.12 | atoponce | levi: there was no anti-emacs sentiment. i just simply don't know it, because i haven't taken the time to learn it |
| 23:13.30 | levi | atoponce: Sorry, I'm not accusing you in particular of anti-emacs sentiment. |
| 23:13.53 | mrpull-x | best tool for the job for each person... to each his own |
| 23:14.06 | mrpull-x | doh... i burned up 22 minutes when I meant to burn 11 |
| 23:14.10 | brailsmt | bah, vim dominance is the only acceptable outcome!!! |
| 23:14.31 | levi | brailsmt: Stop it, or I'll start singing praises to VMS again. :P |
| 23:15.30 | brailsmt | the only editors I have a real problem with nowadays are the people that use notepad... |
| 23:15.36 | brailsmt | and wordpad |
| 23:16.24 | brailsmt | and then i guess it is the people that bug me... for never getting outside their little comfort zone... |
| 23:16.54 | brailsmt | and i should qualify what I am saying by stating that I am discussing software engineers here, not Ma and Pa |
| 23:18.17 | brailsmt | the reason it bugs me so bad is because notepad and wordpad lead to copy and pasting and short variable names and bad indenting |
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| 23:18.47 | brailsmt | as a means these individuals use to be faster on such "editors" |
| 23:19.48 | beandog | atoponce: pong |
| 23:19.49 | brailsmt | i usually recommend these people look at notepad++, programmer's notepad, and ultraedit |
| 23:22.05 | brailsmt | anyway... |
| 23:22.05 | atoponce | beandog: blog down? |
| 23:22.05 | brailsmt | </rant> |
| 23:22.06 | brailsmt | and you emacs people out there... i'm sorry |
| 23:22.06 | brailsmt | :) |
| 23:22.07 | brailsmt | uhmm... |
| 23:22.07 | brailsmt | cra |
| 23:22.07 | brailsmt | crap |
| 23:22.07 | brailsmt | s/i'm sorry/i feel sorry for you/ |
| 23:22.07 | brailsmt | i'm leaving now... |
| 23:22.07 | brailsmt | ;) |
| 23:22.12 | brailsmt | ok, those people that pointed me to netpbm last night, thank you |
| 23:22.19 | brailsmt | here comes the "but monkey" |
| 23:22.24 | brailsmt | but... |
| 23:22.48 | brailsmt | I am having a devil of a time writing to the image file... |
| 23:23.16 | brailsmt | anyone know of some good examples for writing to a ppm file? |
| 23:26.09 | levi | Like I'm supposed to believe that there's a chance in hell that the FCC would ban religious broadcasting. Yeesh. |
| 23:27.08 | atoponce | just another reason the government needs to regulate pet food: |
| 23:27.10 | atoponce | http://news.google.com/news?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&tab=wn&q=pet+food+recall&btnG=Search+News |
| 23:28.23 | atoponce | over 40 brands of pet food are recalled because *rat* *poison* is in the wet canned and packed food causing kidney failure and death |
| 23:28.33 | atoponce | the 2nd recall of this nature in 2 years |
| 23:30.03 | levi | Yeah, my wife told me about that the other night. That's crazy. |
| 23:30.14 | levi | Fortunately, we feed our cat dry food. |
| 23:30.17 | *** part/#utah beandog (n=sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog) |
| 23:30.39 | atoponce | same with our dogs. still, it shouldn't be tolerated |
| 23:30.44 | atoponce | flat out ridiculous |
| 23:31.20 | levi | Why are people not skeptical of stupid email petitions and chain emails by now? It's ridiculous. |
| 23:31.50 | levi | 5 minutes or less with google can debunk them all, if only people would use the gray matter between their ears. |
| 23:31.56 | emcnabb | something interesting about the pet food recall.... |
| 23:32.30 | atoponce | emcnabb: yes? |
| 23:33.38 | emcnabb | 2 months ago my inlaws dog was getting really old, and they knew she was going to pass away soon. So my inlaws bought some of the wet dog food for her since they thought it would be easier for her to eat (and it ended up being the recalled brand). They came home that day and the dog was dead on the floor (it had barfed a bunch of blood). Was it the food, or just the dog was old? |
| 23:33.46 | emcnabb | we may never know... |
| 23:33.56 | atoponce | see |
| 23:34.20 | atoponce | your inlaws should sue 1: menufoods and 2: the government |
| 23:34.30 | emcnabb | ... |
| 23:34.34 | emcnabb | profit! |
| 23:34.52 | emcnabb | honestly though, it's too bad the dog isn't around (to test) |
| 23:35.01 | atoponce | no, action. get congress and the senate to get talking about it |
| 23:36.12 | emcnabb | and she was getting old, but it's strange that she died that way, and it seemed to be a horrible death (she was sprawed all over the kitchen floor, blood everywhere, etc) |
| 23:36.20 | atoponce | that's too bad |
| 23:36.22 | emcnabb | the day she ate the food |
| 23:36.26 | emcnabb | oh well :-( |
| 23:36.31 | atoponce | sorry to hear that |
| 23:36.32 | brailsmt | that happened to me once |
| 23:36.43 | brailsmt | it sucked... |
| 23:36.58 | brailsmt | anyway... we feed our cats the dry stuff, thankfully |
| 23:36.58 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 23:37.07 | brailsmt | with the occasional tuna here and there |
| 23:37.36 | brailsmt | for our cat's bday, my wife makes them tuna fish jello |
| 23:37.38 | brailsmt | :) |
| 23:37.40 | atoponce | it's almost to the point, where i'm going to start feeding them fruits / vegetables, rather than bagged food |
| 23:37.59 | atoponce | at least i can trust that food, as i know it doesn't have rat poison in it |
| 23:38.10 | brailsmt | its really gross, but we put a candle in it and sign them happy birthday... |
| 23:38.12 | brailsmt | :) |
| 23:38.25 | atoponce | and if it does' i have serious legal recourse... |
| 23:38.55 | brailsmt | in Chile, people throw meat in the street after injecting it with rat poison, to kill the b'zillion strays they have there |
| 23:39.21 | atoponce | brailsmt: thx for sharing that. made my day all the much worse |
| 23:39.34 | brailsmt | because Chie outlawed animal control under the auspice that it was cruel and inhumane |
| 23:40.18 | brailsmt | but it create a far worse situation where there are an insane number of diseased, and starving animals... |
| 23:40.29 | brailsmt | its quite sad |
| 23:40.48 | brailsmt | anyway, sorry, didn't mean to ruin your day |
| 23:40.52 | brailsmt | but i guess is did |
| 23:40.56 | atoponce | i'm going home. this is depressing |
| 23:41.28 | brailsmt | you have a pet die from the food? |
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| 23:41.54 | atoponce | no. i'm just an animal activist. not peta, thankfully, but i believe in animal rights |
| 23:42.22 | dilvie | Posted a new photo set. |
| 23:42.23 | dilvie | http://www.flickr.com/photos/dilvie/sets/72157600018604914/ |
| 23:42.26 | dilvie | yay. |
| 23:42.35 | brailsmt | there was a radio show here where people were calling in saying that their pets were like family, like kids |
| 23:43.46 | brailsmt | it was all sweet and nice, until one mom calls in and says "How the **** do you think you have the right to equate children and dogs! How dare you degrade children that way." |
| 23:44.02 | brailsmt | w00t!!!1 |
| 23:44.25 | brailsmt | pets and animals are nice, we have two very nice cats |
| 23:45.28 | jsmith | dilvie: Hey, stupid question, but how you get your name to show up like that in the flickr url? |
| 23:45.35 | brailsmt | some animal activists lose the persepctive that they are animals after all |
| 23:45.46 | jsmith | dilvie: Mine is something like flickr.com/photos/<gobbldygook> |
| 23:47.43 | brailsmt | something strikes me as odd when people want humane treatment for non-humans, don't get me wrong, I'm not for mistreating animals, just perspective in the whole thing... |
| 23:50.17 | brailsmt | i know that's not politically correct, but i figure i'm on a roll... |
| 23:55.02 | tene | jsmith: it's a setting somewhere... hold on a sec |
| 23:55.52 | dilvie | jsmith: um, I think you just set it in the profile configuration |
| 23:56.17 | tene | account-flickr web addresses |
| 23:56.30 | jsmith | OK... I'll try that |
| 23:56.33 | tene | caution: write-only |
| 23:56.36 | tene | write-once |
