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| 00:23.53 | mheath | <bonez39> brailsmt, jnbek, markl_, mheath, tyler, uncle_jesse I am curious how any of you have your email set up... if you host your own, in relation to comcast |
| 00:24.07 | mheath | I host my own e-mail, and I have comcast as my own ISP, but I don't see how the two have anything to do with the other. |
| 00:24.25 | mheath | Are you asking about hosing e-mail on server on a comcast line? |
| 00:41.37 | herlo | somebody ping me |
| 00:47.49 | jsmith | ~ping herlo |
| 00:47.59 | ibot | pong herlo |
| 00:48.11 | jsmith | -ping herlo |
| 00:48.34 | herlo | jsmith: thx |
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| 01:31.44 | herlo | does anyone know the yum.conf option (or wherever it goes) to keep X number of kernels around? |
| 01:43.47 | herlo | Jayce^: ping |
| 01:45.19 | tensai | mheath: it matters if comcast does something retarded like block in or outbound port 25 |
| 01:46.48 | herlo | ~lart mheath for interrupting |
| 01:48.02 | goozbach | it was tensai but ok |
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| 01:50.27 | tensai | mheath: you may also get screwed if your IP is listed as dynamic on any of those sort of blacklists |
| 01:51.07 | tensai | what, what did I interrupt? |
| 01:52.14 | herlo | goozbach: oh no, its always mheath |
| 01:52.30 | mheath | tensai, I'm aware of that. |
| 01:54.49 | tensai | mheath: uh, ok. pardon my responding to your question then. |
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| 02:25.32 | mheath | tensai, no, I understand the concerns related to hosting your e-mail server _on_ a comcast line |
| 02:25.52 | mheath | He just said people who have comcast who host an e-mail server, though. Didn't make it clear that said e-mail was hosted on a comcast line |
| 02:25.53 | mheath | But, |
| 02:26.03 | herlo | dataw0lf_: ping |
| 02:26.11 | mheath | bonez39, to answer your question, you can relay e-mail through the comcast smtp server (smpt.comcast.net) |
| 02:26.36 | mheath | It does unrestricted (For the most part) relaying, and requires no authentication (it does IP based authentication) |
| 02:30.01 | mheath | Bah |
| 02:30.27 | mheath | your bathroom will be open for hours. But right when you get ready to take a shower is exactly 5 seconds later than your suitemate decides to take a shower |
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| 02:51.26 | spr | ~lart herlo for larting spr on another channel |
| 02:51.43 | herlo | ~destroy spr |
| 02:51.46 | ibot | no |
| 02:51.57 | herlo | ~beat spr |
| 02:51.58 | ibot | ACTION beats spr with a very wet, sticky noodle |
| 02:55.36 | graphyx | ~harder |
| 02:59.42 | herlo | ~rlart |
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| 03:38.05 | herlo | ping me |
| 03:40.53 | tensai | Received CTCP-PING reply from herlo: 2 seconds |
| 03:40.58 | tensai | herlo: that what you meant? |
| 03:41.41 | herlo | tensai: no |
| 03:41.47 | herlo | but rather the second one... |
| 03:41.54 | herlo | just needed herlo: ping |
| 03:41.58 | herlo | tensai: thanx |
| 03:42.08 | tensai | well you get the ctcp ping for free then :) |
| 03:42.19 | herlo | sweet! |
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| 04:14.36 | brac | Linux XP on it now, macey's are doing something *really* cool when I came inches from working |
| 04:21.32 | thesuperbigfrog | -chat about ibot |
| 04:21.32 | brac | ibot was a little python code and the user//pass authentication |
| 04:21.48 | thesuperbigfrog | -chat about brac |
| 04:21.49 | brac | brac was built. |
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| 04:35.46 | cbrown | s off |
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| 04:41.47 | dilvie | hi |
| 04:41.57 | dilvie | hi |
| 05:04.45 | Supaplex | ahoy |
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| 05:08.36 | atoponce | ~sweet |
| 05:08.39 | ibot | sweet is probably a great girl? |
| 05:09.04 | atoponce | ibot: no, sco stock is now $0.95 / share |
| 05:09.06 | ibot | atoponce: okay |
| 05:09.14 | atoponce | lol |
| 05:09.21 | atoponce | ~sco |
| 05:09.23 | ibot | sco is, like, the new name for Caldera, and they're making right fools of themselves, or the antichrist, or supposed to sue linux users today, or a bunch of jerks |
| 05:09.32 | atoponce | ~sco stock |
| 05:09.34 | ibot | methinks sco stock is now $0.95 / share |
| 05:15.36 | dilvie | I've talked with some people who were working at SCO. |
| 05:15.49 | dilvie | their internal politics have been more than a bit strange, of late. |
| 05:16.00 | atoponce | i would imagine |
| 05:16.16 | dilvie | I think it will be a minor miracle if they can hold it together and fend off bankruptsy for long. |
| 05:16.29 | atoponce | i would bet that the corporate culture would be one of mistrust and caution |
| 05:16.54 | dilvie | atoponce: it is. |
| 05:16.59 | dilvie | and backstabery |
| 05:17.01 | wps | do they have many customers? a steady revenue? |
| 05:17.05 | dilvie | and projects getting killed |
| 05:17.05 | atoponce | yes. bankruptcy is inevitable. i doubt they can make it through the litigation |
| 05:17.19 | sontek | redbeard1: ping |
| 05:17.19 | wps | any revenue? |
| 05:17.27 | dilvie | they have some products that are cash-cows that have been keeping them afloat |
| 05:17.42 | atoponce | wps: seems i read somewhere, that unixware is still popular among businesses |
| 05:17.51 | dilvie | they actually had some really cool projects going on.. even as recent as last year, they were actually engaged in useful development |
| 05:18.02 | dilvie | I'm not sure how much of that has survived the corporate weirdness, though. |
| 05:18.04 | atoponce | more so, than solaris, actually, which i found surprising |
| 05:18.44 | dilvie | unixware is popular, yes, and some of the stuff for unixware is actually pretty cool. |
| 05:18.59 | dilvie | from an IT geek perspective, at least. |
| 05:19.00 | dilvie | =) |
| 05:19.03 | dilvie | maybe not sexy stuff. |
| 05:19.25 | dilvie | but lots of useful middleware things that make large corporate IT administration easier. |
| 05:20.22 | atoponce | i would imagine, though, that novell made unixware popular, and not sco/caldera |
| 05:20.41 | atoponce | unixware, netware and appware were the flagship products of novell, iirc |
| 05:21.12 | atoponce | sco just rid off of their coat tails |
| 05:27.14 | Supaplex | ahh sco, the proud retarded child. |
| 05:40.53 | dilvie | supaplex |
| 05:41.07 | dilvie | want to go to the grand canyon skywalk opening next wednesday? |
| 05:53.54 | Supaplex | hummm |
| 05:56.27 | dilvie | hmm? |
| 05:56.34 | dilvie | well? |
| 06:06.00 | tensai | I don't know if I could walk on that thing |
| 06:06.15 | tensai | I'm pretty sure I couldn't afford it. $25 per person. |
| 06:18.04 | findlay | only if you can base jump from the precipie |
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| 08:02.52 | tensai | whew. finally time to go to bed. |
| 08:02.57 | tensai | ~lart elg |
| 08:03.13 | tensai | what, no rabid killer squirrels? ibot, how lame. |
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| 10:54.56 | mheath | gah |
| 10:55.02 | mheath | someone forgot to turn off their alarm clock |
| 10:55.12 | mheath | in the next room |
| 10:55.20 | mheath | ANd they're left. IT's just sound off over and over again.. |
| 10:59.14 | mheath | bah, I butchered that sentence. |
| 10:59.18 | mheath | You get the point, though. |
| 11:09.47 | mheath | Going to Myrtle Beach this weekend. During college spring break. :) |
| 11:31.32 | thesuperbigfrog | !w 84604 |
| 11:31.34 | UtahBot | Provo, Utah; Updated: 05:15 (March 21, 2007); Conditions: Overcast; Temperature: 45°F (7°C); Windchill: 37°F (3°C); High/Low: 55/29°F (12/-1°C); Humidity: 76%; Dew Point: 37°F (3°C); UV: 0/16; Wind: WSW at 17 MPH (28 KPH) |
| 12:19.56 | redbeard1 | sontek: pong |
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| 13:47.23 | goozbach | redbeard1: made of awesome? |
| 13:47.27 | goozbach | that's great! |
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| 13:53.51 | dna3e8 | How do I find out what port a app is tring to use |
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| 13:59.55 | *** topic/#utah is The channel for OSS discussion in Utah | http://www.plug.org/node/28 | Utah Open Source Conference - September 6-8, 2007 |
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| 14:00.06 | goozbach | -- "I don't know. But it's made of awesome" |
| 14:00.29 | goozbach | dna3e8: netstat -taupe | grep <pid> |
| 14:01.01 | graphyx | goozbach: that sounds like a strongbad quote |
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| 14:09.15 | graphyx | -chat about made of |
| 14:09.15 | brac | made of the home but not SOAP, XML, MVC, or CSS |
| 14:09.38 | vontrapp | how does one configure the commands for gnome's music keyboard shortcuts? |
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| 14:46.04 | emcnabb | spr: good morning |
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| 14:54.30 | redbeard1 | goozbach: yes, made of awesome. |
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| 15:02.39 | goozbach | who made that one up |
| 15:02.41 | goozbach | ? |
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| 15:03.30 | redbeard1 | i don't know, actually. a buddy of mine used it once, but wouldn't take credit for it. |
| 15:06.01 | spr | redbeard1: morning |
| 15:06.15 | spr | redbeard1: you have that recipe? |
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| 15:08.52 | Jayce^ | the recipe for awesome? |
| 15:09.16 | spr | of course |
| 15:12.00 | goozbach | don't you hate it when you blow away a filesystem only to discover you needed something from it? |
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| 15:13.02 | vontrapp | i always need things from old filesystems |
| 15:14.10 | vontrapp | sounds like a strong bad type thing to say |
| 15:15.57 | vontrapp | hmm, i can't remember how to open a file in a split window from the file browser |
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| 15:26.30 | Jayce^ | tewk, gratz on the updated cardinal |
| 15:28.05 | lukfugl | Playing the Ukelele Live - "When you begin, nobody will come to hear you play, unless you are Eric Clapton, which would be an exception." (http://www.st.rim.or.jp/~kunisige/eukulele6.html) |
| 15:36.22 | elg | and what happens when you get good? |
| 15:37.40 | lukfugl | nobody will come to hear you play |
| 15:38.06 | elg | unless you're tiny tim, which would be an exception |
| 15:38.11 | lukfugl | unless you're this guy: http://www.ukuleledisco.com/jake |
| 15:38.16 | brac | [MUD: Video of While My Guitar Gently Weeps performed by Jake Shimabukuro] |
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| 15:56.29 | ^Migs^ | http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN2036816420070321?feedType=RSS |
| 15:56.34 | elg | wow, he's got the head bobber thing down at the end there |
| 15:56.37 | ^Migs^ | disgusting |
| 15:56.52 | elg | they should make a head bobber out of him and you can put it next to your hula dancer |
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| 16:06.14 | redbeard1 | ~onjoin redbeard1 |
| 16:06.14 | ibot | onjoin for redbeard1 set by redbeard1 on Thu Mar 1 08:21:59 2007: want an altoid? |
| 16:06.33 | redbeard1 | ~onjoin redbeard1 My cat can eat a whole watermelon. |
| 16:06.33 | ibot | ok, redbeard1 |
| 16:07.00 | calvarez | ~onjoin redbeard1 Riiiiiii-co-la!!!! |
| 16:07.00 | ibot | calvarez: ok |
| 16:07.08 | redbeard1 | hey! |
| 16:07.11 | goozbach | ~onjoin for goozbach he's made of AWESOME! |
| 16:07.11 | ibot | goozbach: ok |
| 16:07.11 | calvarez | :) |
| 16:07.16 | redbeard1 | ~onjoin redbeard1 My cat can eat a whole watermelon. |
| 16:07.16 | ibot | ok, redbeard1 |
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| 16:08.12 | lukfugl | heh |
| 16:08.33 | redbeard1 | now that's a special flavor of awesome |
| 16:08.35 | elg | now my irssi windows are out of order. it's all your fault goozbach |
| 16:08.43 | goozbach | heh |
| 16:08.53 | elg | so how do I move an irssi window to another position? |
| 16:08.58 | goozbach | elg: just do /cycle next time |
| 16:09.07 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.16 | elg | nice |
| 16:09.20 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.08 | calvarez | ~onjoin redbeard1 Riiiiiii-co-la!!!! |
| 16:24.08 | ibot | calvarez: ok |
| 16:24.15 | calvarez | ~onjoin redbeard1 |
| 16:24.15 | ibot | onjoin for redbeard1 set by calvarez on Wed Mar 21 10:24:08 2007: Riiiiiii-co-la!!!! |
| 16:24.22 | calvarez | :) |
| 16:32.46 | ^Migs^ | what's the benefit of FTP vs. SFTP? Just security? |
| 16:32.51 | ^Migs^ | or does SFTP do anything extra? |
| 16:33.03 | lukfugl | just the secure connection, afaik |
| 16:33.12 | ^Migs^ | that's what I thought |
| 16:33.21 | lukfugl | but then again, I don't know much :) |
| 16:33.41 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: clear text passwords + transfers vs full encryption |
| 16:34.11 | ^Migs^ | does a different FTP client need to be used? |
| 16:35.43 | redbeard1 | ~onjoin redbeard1 My cat can eat a whole watermelon. |
| 16:35.43 | ibot | redbeard1: ok |
| 16:35.47 | redbeard1 | ~onjoin redbeard1 |
| 16:35.47 | ibot | onjoin for redbeard1 set by redbeard1 on Wed Mar 21 10:35:43 2007: My cat can eat a whole watermelon. |
| 16:36.12 | redbeard1 | not that calvarez is gone, maybe it will stick |
| 16:36.24 | redbeard1 | s/not/now/ |
| 16:41.19 | tensai | ^Migs^: the client needs to support a completely new protocol. I know FileZilla and Dreamweaver support both. I'm sure lots of other do too. |
| 16:49.13 | harleypig | ~onjoin redbeard Excuse me if I sound bitter. I taste that way too. |
| 16:49.14 | ibot | harleypig: ok |
| 16:49.18 | harleypig | woops |
| 16:49.21 | harleypig | sorry redbeard1 |
| 16:49.33 | harleypig | ~onjoin harleypig Excuse me if I sound bitter. I taste that way too. |
| 16:49.33 | ibot | ok, harleypig |
| 16:49.54 | harleypig | ~onjoin redbeard My cat can eat a whole watermelon. |
| 16:49.54 | ibot | harleypig: ok |
| 16:53.58 | redbeard1 | ~onjoin redbeard1 |
| 16:53.58 | ibot | onjoin for redbeard1 set by redbeard1 on Wed Mar 21 10:35:43 2007: My cat can eat a whole watermelon. |
| 16:54.24 | herlo | harleypig: nice |
| 16:54.55 | harleypig | :] |
| 16:55.13 | harleypig | so redbeard1, is your next project going to be a cake in the shape of the internet? |
| 16:57.13 | sontek | The OpenBSD fish? =) |
| 17:00.42 | redbeard1 | openbsd has a fish? |
| 17:00.56 | harleypig | You know why cannibals don't eat clowns? |
| 17:01.05 | harleypig | 'cause they taste funny! |
| 17:01.50 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, http://openbsd.org/orders.html |
| 17:01.53 | brac | [OpenBSD ordering] |
| 17:02.16 | Jayce^ | I have the full 2.8 poster, I love it. has the nice vs the fully armed one |
| 17:03.42 | Jayce^ | http://www.openbsd.org/art4.html |
| 17:03.44 | brac | [OpenBSD Art] |
| 17:03.54 | harleypig | Oh ... here's one: "Bother", said Pooh as Piglet escaped. "No bacon for breakfast!" |
| 17:04.11 | tene | http://openbsd.org/images/poster4.jpg |
| 17:04.31 | Jayce^ | tene, thanks, that one :) |
| 17:09.21 | harleypig | This is what I was looking for: http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/base/9807/ |
| 17:09.22 | brac | [Pooh Goes Apeshit] |
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| 17:17.05 | harleypig | http://totalobscurity.typepad.com/flagorama/2006/06/can_youbear_it.html |
| 17:17.15 | harleypig | Anyone else see the disparity here? |
| 17:20.04 | ^Migs^ | I'd buy an army bear |
| 17:26.29 | harleypig | "Patriotism means *NO QUESTIONS*" A message from The Ministry of Homeland Security |
| 17:27.31 | elg | ~question harleypig |
| 17:31.57 | Jayce^ | ~inquisition harleypig |
| 17:33.28 | findlay | ~enquestion harleypig |
| 17:33.44 | vontrapp | ~enqueue harleypig |
| 17:33.54 | lukfugl | ~dequeue harleypig |
| 17:37.42 | goozbach | harleypig: that's disturbing |
| 17:38.16 | harleypig | ? The Pooh story or the Teddy Bear Soldier? |
| 17:38.30 | neybar | yes |
| 17:38.42 | neybar | and the patriotism definition |
| 17:39.07 | harleypig | :] |
| 17:40.13 | graphyx | patriotic gift shop - Remember: if you don't buy this stuff, the terrorists win! |
| 17:50.51 | ^Migs^ | oo, the tamale chick is here |
| 17:53.03 | harleypig | Who's up for Mario Kart! |
| 17:57.01 | ^Migs^ | http://bash.org/?741856 |
| 17:57.03 | brac | [QDB: Quote #741856] |
| 18:04.50 | atoponce | don't you love how /. has become bought-and-paid for? what happened to all the *nix stuff? |
| 18:06.12 | atoponce | 3 of the last 10 articles in my rss reader are pro-microsoft, where #11 is the first *nix article |
| 18:29.37 | levi | Who cares about what's on Slashdot? |
| 18:38.22 | atoponce | i know. i try to stay away, but they do have good stuff come up every once in a while |
| 18:51.45 | levi | Exciting news: A new Ada standard was released recently. |
| 18:58.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Can a cname point to a fully qualified domain name, or can it only point to an IP? |
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| 19:02.54 | atoponce | ibot: how's that possible? cat's don't have opposable thumbs! |
| 19:03.04 | tene | Lone_Wanderer: I've used cnames to point to fully-qualified domain names. |
| 19:03.37 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks tene. I spotted the real problem - he's got his cname set to network.(domain) rather than just network |
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| 19:25.53 | tensai | Lone_Wanderer: in fact, I believe a CNAME *has* to point to a name (qualified or unqualified). you'd want an A record for an IP address. |
| 19:27.51 | Lone_Wanderer | K, I thought so. |
| 19:29.30 | Lone_Wanderer | So could I (for example) set the cname to "network" and have it point to someplace.somedomain.com. ? |
| 19:32.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Hrmm. The server doesn't even seem to be updating itself. |
| 19:33.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh well, I'll worry about it later. |
| 19:43.40 | rsimpkins | Lone_Wanderer: The point of a CNAME is an alias to another name. |
| 19:43.50 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 19:44.03 | *** join/#utah Robdor (n=Robdor@208.187.198.179) |
| 19:44.04 | Lone_Wanderer | So it should be an A record, since it's not an alias? |
| 19:44.12 | rsimpkins | Lone_Wanderer: Bingo |
| 19:44.16 | Lone_Wanderer | k thanks |
| 19:44.26 | rsimpkins | Lone_Wanderer: http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ch8/cname.html |
| 19:44.28 | rsimpkins | Lone_Wanderer: np |
| 19:44.30 | brac | [Chapter 8 - CNAME Record] |
| 19:44.59 | rsimpkins | CNAMEs really only make sense IMHO if you have a large zone, or are referencing out of zone records. |
| 19:45.36 | rsimpkins | If you look up a CNAME, it still has to resolve an A some where. |
| 19:46.23 | Lone_Wanderer | err, it is referencing an out of zone record |
| 19:46.40 | Lone_Wanderer | he wants network.a28.org to point to (something, I forget what).ning.com |
| 19:47.44 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@216.31.27.110) |
| 19:49.30 | macnewbold | then you'll need to make sure not to leave off the last dot: |
| 19:49.49 | macnewbold | network CNAME light.ning.com. |
| 19:50.04 | *** join/#utah acrid (n=mckay@reverse.control4.com) |
| 19:50.09 | macnewbold | without the trailing dot, it means light.ning.com.a28.org |
| 19:50.17 | macnewbold | which wouldn't be what you wanted I bet |
| 19:50.34 | Lone_Wanderer | right |
| 19:50.36 | Lone_Wanderer | okay cool |
| 19:51.17 | macnewbold | herlo: does at&t offer utopia service? and it is unlimited? what's the cost for a residential acct? |
| 19:54.43 | tene | macnewbold: at&t does offer utopia service |
| 19:55.27 | tene | according to people on plug, their service reps on the telephone claim unlimited, but it's likely uoptia enforces a 100gb cap |
| 19:55.34 | rsimpkins | Is Utopia still an issue? |
| 19:55.45 | rsimpkins | I thought that thing has been beaten to death on SLLUG and PLUG |
| 19:55.55 | tene | http://www.usa.att.com/fiber/index.jsp |
| 19:55.56 | brac | [AT&T UTOPIA Community MetroNet: Home] |
| 19:56.23 | tensai | at&t could still offer unlimited service but if they don't charge you the overages that utopia charges them, they end up eating the cost |
| 19:56.27 | rsimpkins | Just because an ISP says it is unlimited - don't count on it. ie. - see the recent comcast thread on SLLUG |
| 19:56.29 | macnewbold | tene: utopia at 100GB/month charges the service provider, no money is collected directly from the customer (except perhaps the install fee) from what I understand |
| 19:56.58 | macnewbold | anyone here on their service and want to try something? |
| 19:57.01 | macnewbold | :-D |
| 19:57.20 | tene | macnewbold: I was repeating what I read about the subject on plug. I don't have any personal experience or knowledge about the subject whatsoever. |
| 19:57.30 | macnewbold | okay |
| 19:57.38 | tene | Thanks for the information, though. |
| 19:57.50 | elg | no problem |
| 19:57.53 | macnewbold | it's from what I've been hearing in #xmlounge on ircd.xmission.com |
| 19:58.09 | macnewbold | I just wish I had utopia |
| 19:58.41 | rsimpkins | I'm not sure how Utopia is, but I help someone on iProvo and it is pretty unreliable. |
| 19:58.41 | tene | same here |
| 19:59.04 | tene | can't be worse than my comcast service. |
| 19:59.10 | rsimpkins | tene: It is. |
| 19:59.41 | tene | rsimpkins: I meant that utopia probably wasn't, not iProvo |
| 19:59.44 | macnewbold | yeah, I haven't been impressed with what I've seen of the high-speed network in American Fork, afconnect |
| 20:00.12 | rsimpkins | Why didn't all these municipalities get in with Utopia? Why did they have to fragment the market? |
| 20:00.13 | macnewbold | I haven't heard any horror stories about utopia downtime (yet) |
| 20:00.30 | macnewbold | rsimpkins: some of them started sooner than utopia, or they probably wouldn't have started at all |
| 20:11.11 | harleypig | w00t ... linux on a nintendo ds lite!!! |
| 20:13.33 | lukfugl | awesome |
| 20:13.42 | mheath | http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/21/navy.whales.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories |
| 20:13.43 | brac | [Navy mum on sonar use in whale case - CNN.com] |
| 20:13.59 | mheath | I think the Navy wins that one. |
| 20:14.16 | mheath | Tell us detailed information on your sonar equipment, sysetms, and when and where you've been using sonar! |
| 20:14.41 | mheath | Navy: That's a rediclous threat to national security. We could never do that. |
| 20:14.53 | mheath | Environmentalists: The navy hates the whales, the Navy hates the whales! |
| 20:15.45 | mheath | "The Navy should have no problem releasing the information because it would not cover any use of sonar in combat or in "heightened threat" circumstances, Reynolds said." |
| 20:16.04 | mheath | they're talking about using sonar to locate, track, and target submarines. Which is done by OUR submarines. |
| 20:16.14 | ^Migs^ | why is it that in zombie movies a ton of zombies always crawl out of the ground from a cemetery? Were all those zombies coffinless? Wouldn't the best way to ensure someone doesn't rise from the dead like a zombie to nail shut their coffin and pile 6 feet of dirt on them? |
| 20:16.17 | mheath | Our submarines are very, very rarely in combat situations of tha tnature. |
| 20:16.39 | mheath | ^Migs^, You haven't seen kill bill, apparently. |
| 20:17.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Because Kill Bill was SO realistic. |
| 20:17.14 | tene | S6 |
| 20:17.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Also, she was in a cheap pine coffin, and was a Kung Fu Masta!!!. |
| 20:17.21 | mheath | You see, all Zombies, post-death, receive expert training from crazy Chinese martial arts masters who live at the top of a tall set of stone stairs. |
| 20:17.24 | tene | Hmm... are there any window managers written in perl? |
| 20:17.31 | Lone_Wanderer | I doubt that many zombies are Kung Fu Masta!!!!s. |
| 20:17.37 | mheath | tene, Yes, I'm certain there is |
| 20:17.46 | mheath | I can't remember the name, but I know I've heard of a few before |
| 20:17.51 | tene | I can't seem to find any. |
| 20:17.59 | mheath | <Lone_Wanderer> Because Kill Bill was SO realistic. |
| 20:18.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, Master What'shisname did get killed, so maybe he's a zombie now too. |
| 20:18.04 | emcnabb | mheath: I can see you're a whale hater - you decided to join the Navy |
| 20:18.05 | brac | <Lone_Wanderer> Because Kill Bill was SO jealous of my education choices, screwed up |
| 20:18.12 | mheath | Beause zombies popping out of the ground is SO realistic. |
| 20:18.15 | emcnabb | pretty soon you'll be hunting whales left and right |
| 20:18.17 | mheath | emcnabb, It's true :( I'm against nature. |
| 20:18.19 | *** part/#utah harleypig (n=harleypi@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 20:18.19 | brac | pretty soon you'll be fine |
| 20:18.26 | *** join/#utah harleypig (n=harleypi@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 20:18.32 | mheath | Wow. |
| 20:18.32 | harleypig | Damn Ctrl-W in gaim. |
| 20:18.50 | ^Migs^ | I suppose being a kung fu master would enable one to get out of a nailed coffin and 6 feet of dirt a little easier |
| 20:19.03 | ^Migs^ | I'm going to request that I be buried with a chainsaw and shovel, so that if I ever become a zombie I can get out of my coffin |
| 20:19.12 | ^Migs^ | plus it's usually the zombie killer rather than the zombie who has the chainsaw, so I think that'd be pretty cool to see a chainsaw-wielding zombie |
| 20:19.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, if the dirt was freshly piled on there, and you had an empty coffin to let the dirt fall down into, I imagine you could get out of the dirt fairly easily. |
| 20:19.30 | mheath | tene, Well, I know theres X11::Protocol |
| 20:19.41 | mheath | tene, then there http://perlwm.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:19.42 | brac | [perlwm] |
| 20:19.44 | Lone_Wanderer | A capital idea, Migs. |
| 20:19.55 | mheath | Though thats pathetic and apparently a dead project |
| 20:20.02 | tene | and mheath's google-fu is greater than my own. |
| 20:20.14 | Lone_Wanderer | I think that I'm going to write these people who have a ding on my credit report and tell them that they're all wrong. |
| 20:20.25 | mheath | tene, no, I just love http://xwinman.org/others.php :) |
| 20:20.27 | brac | [Window Managers for X: Other Window Managers] |
| 20:20.32 | mheath | Did a quick text-on-page serach for "perl" and ound that |
| 20:20.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Maybe I'd better look up the credit report laws first. |
| 20:21.08 | mheath | ^Migs^, I don't think zombies are coordinated enough to use a chainsaw. |
| 20:21.31 | mheath | I think you'd probably end up as a self-inflicted crippled zombie rather quickly. |
| 20:21.32 | Lone_Wanderer | I bet they could wield one fine, but getting it started might present a problem. |
| 20:21.34 | harleypig | mheath: They evolved. Didn't you see Land of the Dead? |
| 20:21.51 | Lone_Wanderer | My rule of thumb is "If my grandpa can do it, so can a zombie." |
| 20:22.02 | mheath | No, I only saw Dawn o the Dead (the newer version). |
| 20:22.18 | mheath | Dawn of the Dead made me wonder why no one bought a sword. |
| 20:22.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Set a connibear trap: No. Wield a chainsaw: Yes. Start a chainsaw: No. Swear like a sailor at those kids down the block: Better than anyone. |
| 20:22.39 | mheath | It seemed like a sharp Katana would be far more effective at killing zombies than a handgun. |
| 20:22.53 | Lone_Wanderer | mheath: Are you familiar with Penny Arcade? |
| 20:23.01 | mheath | Yes. |
| 20:23.01 | harleypig | Depends on how far away from them you are. |
| 20:23.10 | Lone_Wanderer | They did a miniseries about zombies at the mall a while ago. |
| 20:23.22 | mheath | Wonder where they got that idea... |
| 20:23.35 | tene | mheath: the idea is that you want to keep the zombies far away from you |
| 20:23.36 | mheath | MYRTLE BEACH THIS WEEKEND! |
| 20:23.42 | tene | kill them at range if possible |
| 20:23.43 | mheath | Sorry. Had to get that out. |
| 20:23.50 | tene | you don't want to become a zombie yourself |
| 20:23.54 | lukfugl | Lone_Wanderer: I think that series was actually in reference to "Dead Rising" though |
| 20:23.58 | lukfugl | (video game) |
| 20:24.10 | mheath | emcnabb, you should come join us :P |
| 20:24.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Can't you just wear tough leather? You become a zombie by getting bit by a zombie, right? (Which begs the question of where the first one came from) |
| 20:24.33 | *** part/#utah acrid (n=mckay@reverse.control4.com) |
| 20:24.52 | mheath | What came first, the Zombie or the....erm...nevermind. |
| 20:24.55 | tene | Well, I don't really know, but I'd want to be careful about getting zombie blood on me, personally. |
| 20:25.06 | Lone_Wanderer | But if you can avoid being bitten, you should be fine. And some tough leather armor should do that without sacrificing mobility. |
| 20:25.09 | ^Migs^ | Why do some people become ghosts and some become zombies? |
| 20:25.10 | mheath | How do zombies have much blood to get on other people? |
| 20:25.16 | ^Migs^ | Is there such a thing as a zombie ghost? |
| 20:25.20 | tene | Lone_Wanderer: biting is for vampires. |
| 20:25.23 | mheath | Don't they usually die from like bleeing profusely. |
| 20:25.28 | ^Migs^ | Maybe they were buried recently, mheath |
| 20:25.28 | tene | well, more werewolves |
| 20:25.31 | Lone_Wanderer | What about a were-vamp-ombie? |
| 20:25.42 | harleypig | Well, if you believe The Umbrella Corporation is evil, then they made it. |
| 20:25.45 | ^Migs^ | well wait, don't they drain all the blood before they inter? |
| 20:26.01 | Lone_Wanderer | harleypig: I thought you were brac for a second. |
| 20:26.08 | harleypig | heh |
| 20:26.22 | lukfugl | lol |
| 20:26.32 | harleypig | ^Migs^: After an infestation starts they don't even have time to get rid of the bodies. |
| 20:26.47 | mheath | Heh. Time to go run errands and then study. (I just LEFT that freakin' building) |
| 20:26.47 | ^Migs^ | I don't see why a vampire couldn't also be a werewolf |
| 20:27.13 | tene | ^Migs^: vampires are dead. only living things can be werewolves, perhaps? |
| 20:27.20 | Lone_Wanderer | It'd make for a traumatic shift if they were flying at night in bat form and the full moon came out. |
| 20:27.21 | ^Migs^ | why? is that the rule? |
| 20:27.29 | tene | It might be a rule. |
| 20:27.32 | ^Migs^ | I think that's only in movies, tene. Real werewolves I'm sure don't have to be living. |
| 20:27.46 | Lone_Wanderer | How can you kill that which has no life? |
| 20:27.50 | harleypig | Zombie werewolf vampire. |
| 20:27.54 | ^Migs^ | the way to become a werewolf is that you get bitten by one, and a vampire could certainly be bitten by a werewolf |
| 20:28.05 | lukfugl | well, technically, vampires aren't dead. they're undead (as are zombies). but they're definitely not "living" |
| 20:28.14 | tene | ^Migs^: well, if a tree is biten by a werewolf does the tree become a werewolf? |
| 20:28.17 | harleypig | That would be a hell of a multiclass. |
| 20:28.21 | mheath | ^Migs^, wasn't that the whole plot of Underworld? |
| 20:28.24 | ^Migs^ | a weretree? |
| 20:28.29 | ^Migs^ | I don't know, I haven't seen Underworld |
| 20:28.29 | tene | a treewolf? |
| 20:28.36 | Lone_Wanderer | I like treewolf. |
| 20:28.38 | ^Migs^ | me too |
| 20:28.44 | harleypig | Well, now you're just being silly. |
| 20:28.50 | Lone_Wanderer | It's like a druid that's specced all the way up to Tree of Life. Only undead. |
| 20:28.52 | mheath | Vampires vs Lichens (Read: Our madeup name for "werewolf" because we thought Vampires Vs Werewolves sounded too cliche) |
| 20:29.02 | ^Migs^ | I don't think there really are any more werewolves. They've all probably been killed by silver bullets by now |
| 20:29.08 | Lone_Wanderer | vampires vs. lichens? |
| 20:29.11 | tene | mheath: that involved viruses and lineage and geneology and such |
| 20:29.13 | ^Migs^ | now what's a lich? |
| 20:29.16 | ^Migs^ | I'm unclear on that |
| 20:29.35 | tene | there was one *specific* person that could become both a vampire and a werewolf in that movie. |
| 20:29.35 | Lone_Wanderer | A liche is a person that made themselves undead through necromantic magic. |
| 20:29.35 | ^Migs^ | I mean, I kill them all the time when I'm playing Oblivion, but I'm not sure what they are |
| 20:29.37 | ^Migs^ | OH that's right |
| 20:29.38 | Lone_Wanderer | A lichen is a small plant. |
| 20:29.43 | Lone_Wanderer | That lives on rocks. |
| 20:29.51 | Lone_Wanderer | A lycan, on the other hand... ;) |
| 20:29.54 | lukfugl | lycanthrope is ye olde "scientific" name for werewolfism, though |
| 20:30.00 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer, they never spelled it. |
| 20:30.13 | mheath | ah |
| 20:30.16 | mheath | ~lart mheath |
| 20:30.19 | mheath | ~kick mheath |
| 20:30.26 | ibot | ACTION kicks mheath |
| 20:30.35 | mheath | OK |
| 20:30.37 | Lone_Wanderer | I just think it's funny that you had vampires vs. small, colorful things that live on rocks and dead logs. |
| 20:30.45 | tene | hehe |
| 20:30.48 | emcnabb | mheath: when will you be back? |
| 20:30.52 | bonez39 | anyone know a good acoustic guitar music stream? |
| 20:31.00 | lukfugl | heh, I read that as "live on rocks and dead dogs" first time through |
| 20:31.08 | ^Migs^ | lolololool |
| 20:31.10 | mheath | emcnabb, Don't wait up for me, dear, just put a little something in the fridge for me to warm up in the microwave. |
| 20:31.20 | ^Migs^ | could a zombie become a vampire? |
| 20:31.24 | emcnabb | mheath: have a great evening! |
| 20:31.28 | ^Migs^ | or is that only for the living, too? |
| 20:31.36 | tene | Lone_Wanderer: making fun of people for not being familiar with intricacies of English is pretty lame. |
| 20:31.47 | vontrapp | mmmm, easy candy |
| 20:31.56 | lukfugl | vontrapp: email me some |
| 20:32.00 | herlo | macnewbold: yes at&t offers unlimited service via utopia |
| 20:32.05 | vontrapp | ~mail lukfugl cookies |
| 20:32.09 | ibot | ACTION folds lukfugl cookies up, puts a dozen stamps on him and mails lukfugl cookies to Russia with love. |
| 20:32.19 | lukfugl | I don't want to be made into cookies! |
| 20:32.23 | herlo | the cost is comparable to xmission or others IIRC |
| 20:32.37 | Lone_Wanderer | tene: Any making fun of was strictly inferred. |
| 20:32.40 | herlo | and they currently require that you have a home phone, but that is changing.... |
| 20:33.27 | tene | Lone_Wanderer: regardless, "lol you chose the wrong word from a set of very similarly spelled words" isn't actually very funny. |
| 20:33.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, I didn't say that him choosing the wrong word was, itself funny. |
| 20:34.02 | Lone_Wanderer | I said that the thought of vampires fighting lichen was funny. |
| 20:34.30 | tene | Well, I'm sure it's a rather serious problem if a vampire gets a bad case of lichen. |
| 20:34.43 | tene | Sleeping for a hundred years, stuff starts to grow on you. |
| 20:34.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Lichen does grow on dead stuff. |
| 20:35.00 | tene | You didn't think that *humans* developed disinfectents, did you? |
| 20:35.12 | macnewbold | herlo: do you have it? or know someone that does? have they tested the limits by using hundreds of gigs in a month? (mostly just curious) |
| 20:36.42 | ^Migs^ | You know, I think all the presidents must be zombies. After all, they have heavy duty caskets and tons of concrete and the national guard keeps a 24-hour watch on their graves. |
| 20:36.52 | ^Migs^ | why would you watch the dead, unless they are going to come back out potentially?! |
| 20:37.13 | ^Migs^ | and all those crosses they use for headstones? A method to control the presidential undeads, clearly. |
| 20:37.23 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 20:37.42 | ^Migs^ | I mean, you wouldn't really use concrete anyway unless you're burying a [potential] vampire, because vampires are stronger than zombies |
| 20:38.02 | Lone_Wanderer | If I joined the military, I'd say I was a member of the Church of the Subgenius, just so that if I ever died in combat I could get a cooler marker than a cross. |
| 20:38.30 | herlo | macnewbold: no I haven't tried it, but I've done the research myself. I am moving to Orem next month (soon to be SLC, long story) and will be signing up with UTOPIA and AT&T. We'll have good results to verify probably within a month or two... |
| 20:38.36 | ^Migs^ | oh yeah, I'd have a crazy weird marker, like one of those 4-dimensional pictures |
| 20:38.50 | Lone_Wanderer | A hypercube? |
| 20:38.59 | ^Migs^ | yeah, whatever it's called |
| 20:41.11 | Lone_Wanderer | I wonder if it's even theoretically possible for a sentient being to exist in more than three (or four, counting time) dimensions. |
| 20:41.31 | emcnabb | hum, looks like we have an opening on our team... |
| 20:41.51 | emcnabb | anyone want to be a North Carolinian? |
| 20:41.53 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 20:43.05 | levi | I've been a North Carolinian before. Wasn't too bad, but I'm not quite ready to go back to it yet. ;) |
| 20:43.25 | ^Migs^ | Lone_Wanderer: I think Star Trek has adequately proved it IS possible thankyouverymuch |
| 20:44.06 | emcnabb | levi: oh yeah? |
| 20:44.13 | tene | Lone_Wanderer: Conway's Life is turing-complete, so it's possible for intelligence to exist in two dimensions. |
| 20:44.41 | Lone_Wanderer | And if so, would such a creature see us, progressing as we are through time, the same way we would see a 2-dimensional intelligence? |
| 20:44.48 | levi | emcnabb: My dad was stationed at Ft. Bragg a couple of times. |
| 20:45.03 | levi | tene: Assuming that intelligence is algorithmic, of course. |
| 20:45.07 | Lone_Wanderer | tene: assuming that just having a turing-complete system is enough to produce intelligence |
| 20:45.08 | tene | emcnabb: what's your team? |
| 20:45.32 | emcnabb | levi: ah, ok |
| 20:45.57 | emcnabb | tene: Partner Technical Account Manager team here at Red Hat |
| 20:48.56 | harleypig | Lone_Wanderer: I doubt that a 2d intelligence could do more than postulate our existence, just as we can only postulate a 4d dimension. |
| 20:49.49 | Lone_Wanderer | harleypig: Right. But if we encountered a 2d plane somewhere out in space, which was populated with an intelligence, we could look at it without interacting with it. |
| 20:50.07 | harleypig | Right. Maybe I missed part of the discussion. |
| 20:50.10 | Lone_Wanderer | Or, we could stick our finger into the plane and poke them about, and then chuckle as they wonder what's going on. |
| 20:50.11 | levi | I don't think the grid-like layout of a game of Conway's Life has anything to do with the dimensionality of an intelligence created therein. |
| 20:50.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Which means that presumably a being that existed one dimension higher than we do could do the same to us. |
| 20:50.47 | levi | I mean, computer memory is linear; would a computer AI be one-dimensional? |
| 20:51.03 | harleypig | levi: I think it would be constrained to the dimension it was in ... e.g., if we were to interact with it, durng the interaction we would be limited to a 2d viewpoint. |
| 20:51.18 | emcnabb | so, I got my first mosquito bites of the year last night |
| 20:51.19 | levi | harleypig: No, you've missed my point. |
| 20:51.35 | emcnabb | itches |
| 20:51.46 | Lone_Wanderer | levi: I think you did too. An intelligence that lived on a 2d plane would necessarily be two dimensional. |
| 20:51.49 | harleypig | levi: But how would the AI percieve its surroundings? |
| 20:52.04 | harleypig | Lone_Wanderer: At least while it was on the 2d plane. |
| 20:52.16 | levi | Regardless of how the 'intelligence algorithm' is encoded, it must receive percepts to witness anything at all. |
| 20:53.26 | harleypig | levi: We're talking past each other I think. |
| 20:54.23 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, that team name is very descriptive with what you do :) |
| 20:54.26 | levi | harleypig: No, I understand what you're saying. I'm saying that you're confusing the substrate the intelligence is encoded within with the dimensionality that the intelligence can perceive. |
| 20:54.35 | harleypig | Any algorithm we would (could, even) develop would be limited to a 3d understanding, because that's how we perceive. The AI would be living in a 3d universe, and so would be limited to a 3d understanding. |
| 20:54.56 | levi | There's no reason whatsoever that an AI encoded in Life would perceive things as 2-dimensional. |
| 20:55.22 | emcnabb | Jayce^: no one asked me to describe in detail what I do ;-) |
| 20:55.38 | Jayce^ | because you don't 'do' anything, right? :) |
| 20:55.47 | levi | The AI must exist at a meta-level, because the rules of Life are too simple for intelligence to exist in the base level. |
| 20:55.48 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.55 | emcnabb | Jayce^: don't know how I keep busy all day then :-) |
| 20:56.03 | Jayce^ | pshaw, that's easy |
| 20:56.07 | Jayce^ | hence, IRC |
| 20:56.08 | harleypig | Not in this universe anyway. |
| 20:56.18 | emcnabb | it's 5pm here, I'm winding down |
| 20:56.18 | ^Migs^ | is there a free program that lets you make screensavers for Linux and/or Windows? |
| 20:56.34 | emcnabb | look at you, it's still prime work hours and you're slacking |
| 20:56.34 | levi | Oh, not the 'alternate universes with completely different laws of nature' thing again. |
| 20:56.36 | ^Migs^ | even to the extent that one could package and sell them? |
| 20:56.57 | harleypig | levi: err ... I don't think so. |
| 20:57.34 | levi | Besides, Life has a very specific definition based on 2-d grids. |
| 20:57.46 | harleypig | Any AI we code, wether via the Life game or anything else would, in reality, be embedded in our 3d universe, and not lmited to an actual 2d perception. |
| 20:58.29 | harleypig | If we *were* somehow able to truly access a 2d universe and manipulate it, anything within that 2d universe would be limited to the 2d viewpoint |
| 20:58.47 | levi | harleypig: It /could/ be given a 4-d perception into a simulated higher-dimensional universe. |
| 20:58.53 | harleypig | How? |
| 20:59.11 | harleypig | We can't really detect any thing in the 4th dimension can we? |
| 20:59.23 | harleypig | We can only postulate its existence. |
| 20:59.28 | levi | You experience the 4th dimension all the time. It's... time. |
| 20:59.34 | tene | harleypig: no, but we could simulate such an existence. |
| 20:59.37 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, living proof that you never know what you get when you order stuff over the internet: http://www.brantleyonline.com/images/wifi-antennas.jpg |
| 20:59.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I swear they were smaller when I ordered them. |
| 20:59.51 | tene | Just like we simulate 3-dimensional universes all the time in computers. |
| 21:00.15 | harleypig | A simulation is still a postulate if we can't detect it. |
| 21:00.28 | harleypig | levi: Isn't that up for debate? |
| 21:01.13 | levi | harleypig: My point being is that the AI does not experience /anything/ except via the inputs we give it. If we give it inputs based on physical sensors, then it interacts with our 3-d space. If we give it inputs based on a simulation, then it interacts based on those. |
| 21:02.01 | levi | harleypig: Well, I suppose someone could claim that the 4th dimension is something else, but it's been generally known as time since Einstein. |
| 21:02.17 | levi | Thus the term space-time. |
| 21:02.20 | Lone_Wanderer | levi: you are correct. however, a "real I" in a 2d universe could only perceive things 2 dimensionally |
| 21:02.27 | levi | Which can be described with 4-dimensions. |
| 21:03.10 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: No such thing can exist in the context of the 2d Life universe, though. |
| 21:03.34 | Lone_Wanderer | What 2d Life universe? I'm not talking Conway, I'm just saying any theoretical 2d universe that had intelligent life in it. |
| 21:03.35 | bonez39 | levi, you run over comcast, right? I ask only due to trouble with my email server.... in sending to @aol.com recipients.... curious how you have your server set up |
| 21:03.43 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: The rules simply don't allow it. You can encode algorithms into the 2-d life universe, but they don't exist within that framework, but at a meta-level. |
| 21:03.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Encode algorithms? |
| 21:04.03 | Lone_Wanderer | What rules? |
| 21:04.04 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: We /were/ talking about Conway's Life. I didn't see any switch. |
| 21:04.22 | goozbach | good news: Dariks Boot and Nuke works like a charm |
| 21:04.26 | Lone_Wanderer | No, originally I just was talking about a theoretical 2d universe populated with intelligent life. |
| 21:04.35 | goozbach | bad news: Dariks Boot and Nuke works like a charm |
| 21:04.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Someone else mentioned Conway's game. |
| 21:05.39 | levi | Oh, it was tene that mentioned that. Sorry. |
| 21:05.47 | Lone_Wanderer | np |
| 21:06.42 | bonez39 | levi, sorry, I mixed you up with levi_home |
| 21:06.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyway. If a 2d universe existed, and it moved through the 3d universe the same way we move through the 4th dimension, wouldn't that mean that it would fill the entire 3d universe? |
| 21:06.58 | Lone_Wanderer | One "layer" per instant? |
| 21:07.48 | levi | bonez39: I am the same person as levi_home. |
| 21:08.11 | levi | bonez39: And I don't receive incoming email over my comcast connection. |
| 21:08.18 | bonez39 | levi, well, I thought you might be....but wasn't sure... |
| 21:08.34 | Lone_Wanderer | And if we accept that the 2d universe isn't deterministic, wouldn't it also make sense that the branches of probability would fill the 4th dimension (one 3d "layer" per branch) as well? |
| 21:08.44 | bonez39 | levi, no incoming? no worry, my incoming isn't the issue, for me it's the outgoing......specifically going to users with aol.com domain |
| 21:09.09 | levi | bonez39: Oh; I don't think I've sent any email to anyone on the aol.com domain. |
| 21:09.14 | brac | Oh; I don't know too |
| 21:09.18 | Lone_Wanderer | bonez39: Best thing to do with people coming from aol.com is to just redirect all their requests to something silly. |
| 21:09.24 | Jayce^ | bonez39, several big companies such as aol blacklist public ip pools, such as comcast.. |
| 21:10.23 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: The concept you're getting at is Phase Space, where there is a dimension for every elementary particle in the universe, and a point in phase space represents one possible combination of those particles. |
| 21:11.17 | Lone_Wanderer | By every elementary particle, do you mean one dimension for photons, or one dimension for every photon? |
| 21:11.46 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, My mom, bless her foolish heart..has only two email accounts and BOTH are @aol.com.. I need to figure out why my outgoing email bounces .. now that I switched over from xmission/qwest/dsl to comcast.net |
| 21:12.16 | Lone_Wanderer | bonez39: So get her a gmail account. |
| 21:12.27 | levi | There are enough dimensions to describe the position in space-time of every distinct particle in the universe. |
| 21:13.19 | Lone_Wanderer | bonez39: You can forward gmail to aol, or have gmail pop the aol accounts, so she doesn't have to worry about several accounts. |
| 21:13.22 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, just like that...Hey mom, get a gmail account? I'd have an easier time getting my wife to get a gmail account... are you suggesting that now i am just screwed..at least with emailing out from my own domain email...? |
| 21:13.28 | levi | Points on a line represent a possible 'unfolding of events' along a certain timeline. |
| 21:13.55 | levi | The way that the line meanders through phase space represents the outcome of nondeterministic events. |
| 21:13.58 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, ok...I understand your suggestions... |
| 21:14.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Maybe even create one for her. |
| 21:14.52 | bonez39 | she is so aol-centric though...it's a tough sell to interest her in any email that's not in her aol account... |
| 21:15.42 | Lone_Wanderer | So do it yourself and have it forwarded. She'll never know. |
| 21:15.50 | maquis | for some reason, my family is *still* paying for an aol account |
| 21:16.00 | Lone_Wanderer | I'd say to attempt to educate her as well, but that may not be worth it. |
| 21:16.06 | maquis | i'm thinking it's been over a year since they've actually used it |
| 21:16.10 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, this boils down to, if i understand this, to being a combination of my own domain, mailing out over comcast...appearing to the world as 'spam'....and thus... this combination is doomed with those who see comcast originating anything as spam, right? |
| 21:16.29 | maquis | and they haven't used it for anything besides email for a couple of years |
| 21:16.56 | Lone_Wanderer | bonez39: I have no idea what you just said. All I know is that if you can't email her aol account, creating a gmail account to put everything together will probably fix the problem. |
| 21:17.24 | levi | Anyway, I first heard of phase space while reading Roger Penrose's book, "The Emperor's New Mind," which is ultimately a rather flawed argument against Strong AI but has a lot of really interesting information in it. It's probably superseded by his new book which is explicitly about physics. |
| 21:17.29 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, ok, so I create gmail account, just email to her there, and set that gmail account to forward to her aol account...right? |
| 21:17.41 | Lone_Wanderer | That's what I'd do. |
| 21:17.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Actually, I'd tell her to quit using AOL and have gmail pop the AOL account. |
| 21:18.02 | Jayce^ | or just get her to start using gmail itself, and forward the aol to it :) |
| 21:18.44 | Lone_Wanderer | And when she argued I'd say "Well, if you want to hear from your son, you're going to have to start using gmail. I refuse to allow my email to pass through the gateway of a company full of child molesters." |
| 21:18.55 | levi | Penrose's newest book is "The Road to Reality: A Complete Guide to the Laws of the Universe" |
| 21:19.03 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, I'll not waste my breath on convincing her to dump aol....but the child molester argument might help.... |
| 21:19.04 | Lone_Wanderer | And when she asked what I was talking about, I'd make something up about how AOL is the living incarnation of Satan and regularly funds terrorism. |
| 21:19.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Or maybe just that they own stock in tobacco companies. |
| 21:19.22 | bonez39 | or maybe both..and more |
| 21:20.02 | Lone_Wanderer | But my relationship with my mother is such that I can say things like "Well if you ever want to hear from me again, blah blah blah" and she'll just ignore it and keep calling me anyway. |
| 21:20.03 | Jayce^ | levi, just for you...http://bash.org/?741856 |
| 21:20.05 | brac | [QDB: Quote #741856] |
| 21:20.55 | levi | Interesting Roger Penrose trivia tidbit: He once had a penguin as a pet. |
| 21:21.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Heh. Mr. Penrose's Penguins? |
| 21:22.19 | levi | Jayce^: Not even very clever. Maybe if he'd encoded the actual sentence structure in s-expressions... |
| 21:25.10 | levi | Anyway, Penrose is an extremely bright physicist and his books are worth having around as reference for these silly discussions we keep getting in. |
| 21:28.02 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, aside from sending a gmail invite to my mom...how would I set up a bridge account for her from me to gmail and then there over to her aol account? do I set up a dummy account which I would invite....and then set up...to forward to her? |
| 21:28.24 | levi | Cool chart depicting genealogy of Greek gods: http://ludios.org/science/greekgods/image |
| 21:28.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Invite yourself to gmail. |
| 21:28.43 | Lone_Wanderer | You can send an invite to your own account. |
| 21:31.47 | ^Migs^ | it's called a pedigree chart, fyi |
| 21:32.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Heh. |
| 21:32.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Pedigree makes me think of dogs. |
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| 21:33.55 | ^Migs^ | omg |
| 21:34.10 | ^Migs^ | I hate when something I spent the last two days working feverishly on and trying to figure out ends up being a simple solution that takes 10 minutes to implement |
| 21:35.41 | atoponce | reddit is using their model as a platform now, i guess: http://lipstick.com/ |
| 21:36.06 | levi | I love it when that happens, because then I have a great solution and not a lot of work left to do. |
| 21:38.26 | Lone_Wanderer | atoponce: wow, did they just blatantly rip off reddit, or is this a reddit spinoff? |
| 21:38.47 | Lone_Wanderer | heh, clicking on help brings up reddit's aliens. |
| 21:38.48 | atoponce | it's legit licensing. something that reddit did |
| 21:38.52 | Lone_Wanderer | and reddit's help thing |
| 21:38.54 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 21:48.49 | atoponce | so, there you go for all the latest celebrity news |
| 21:48.54 | atoponce | forget e! |
| 21:49.06 | Lone_Wanderer | I wonder if they'll get any traffic. |
| 21:49.49 | atoponce | i bet they will. celebs are searched more than anything else i would imagine |
| 21:56.39 | QBFreak | who was asking about renumbering screen windows? maquis? |
| 21:58.14 | QBFreak | there is a 'number' command you can pass it when in command line mode |
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| 22:01.06 | sjansen | http://t-a-w.blogspot.com/2007/03/big-o-analysis-considered-harmful.html |
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| 22:09.27 | levi | atoponce: That's been around for a long time. I can't remember if it predates their aquisition or not, but I'm sure it's been part of there business plan all along.\ |
| 22:09.36 | levi | s/there/their/ |
| 22:09.38 | levi | Ack. |
| 22:10.20 | sjansen | NAK |
| 22:10.31 | levi | FIN |
| 22:10.44 | lukfugl | FI |
| 22:10.49 | lukfugl | or, rather, fi |
| 22:10.58 | lukfugl | sh is case sensitive, I guess |
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| 22:25.13 | lukfugl | huh, zeus was quite promiscous, wasn't he |
| 22:26.19 | levi | Yup. |
| 22:26.32 | levi | It's good to be king of the gods. |
| 22:29.29 | findlay | beandog: where have you been? |
| 22:29.34 | findlay | ! |
| 22:29.40 | beandog | super extreme busy |
| 22:29.44 | findlay | ok |
| 22:29.51 | findlay | I'm supposed to be too |
| 22:31.05 | findlay | beandog: so I was wondering what the best way to get into gentoo development is |
| 22:31.15 | beandog | findlay: fix bugs |
| 22:31.22 | findlay | sounds good |
| 22:31.23 | beandog | post patches on bugzilla, get noticed, then find a mentor |
| 22:31.32 | beandog | what areas you looking to hack on? |
| 22:31.44 | findlay | nothing in particular |
| 22:32.08 | findlay | I just want to help ensure my favorite distro doesn't fall apart |
| 22:32.13 | beandog | well thats good because just about every team is understaffed :) |
| 22:32.19 | findlay | (not that good of a reason I guess) |
| 22:32.29 | beandog | good as any |
| 22:32.40 | beandog | we could actually use a lot of help |
| 22:32.53 | findlay | on the amd64 herd? |
| 22:33.01 | beandog | on everything |
| 22:33.08 | beandog | I dont know one team that doesnt need help |
| 22:33.13 | beandog | except maybe coreutils |
| 22:33.20 | beandog | and gnome |
| 22:33.34 | beandog | but even then, Im not sure about those. |
| 22:33.52 | beandog | amd64 herd definately needs some active devs though |
| 22:34.13 | findlay | I'm on the gentoo-science ml |
| 22:34.21 | beandog | oh right on |
| 22:34.23 | beandog | theyve got some cool stuff |
| 22:34.25 | beandog | and a lot of packages |
| 22:34.29 | findlay | I want gentoo to be there when I start doinng some serious science |
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| 22:35.24 | beandog | what kinda sciene |
| 22:35.25 | beandog | science |
| 22:35.40 | findlay | my area specifically? |
| 22:36.22 | findlay | it's theoretical physics |
| 22:37.56 | dilvie | w3rt |
| 22:37.57 | dilvie | hello |
| 22:38.12 | rsimpkins | I would love to be a physicist and work on those big accelerators. |
| 22:39.03 | findlay | rsimpkins: you'd be right at home in physics with their super-gargantuan servers and data farms :) |
| 22:39.50 | rsimpkins | findlay: I think I'd like to be a photographer. Get paid to walk around and take pictures. Full access to everything. Like a super-long walkign tour of the place. :) |
| 22:40.35 | rsimpkins | I've seen some amazing pictures of various accelerators of different types. They are big machines. |
| 22:40.57 | rsimpkins | I'd love to see one IRL some time, I hear they are very loud. |
| 22:41.34 | findlay | did you ever feel like that when you're a kid? Like when you see a catwalk at the theater or a subterranean stairway? |
| 22:41.41 | brac | did you ever get that setup right away. |
| 22:42.32 | beandog | theoretical physics? my head spins just trying to imagine that one. |
| 22:42.45 | rsimpkins | If only I had a clue about math. |
| 22:42.52 | rsimpkins | 1+1 is about my limit. |
| 22:43.02 | rsimpkins | And I've been told I'm wrong about that. |
| 22:43.49 | findlay | rsimpkins: if you can sling perl scripts across a thousand servers with ease, you've got a pretty good grasp of many areas of abstract algebra |
| 22:44.52 | findlay | amazing to think those 19th century algebraists were working on something that became so practical |
| 22:45.45 | findlay | I guess what I'm trying to say is that programming forces you to think algebraically |
| 22:45.48 | findlay | levi would be much more qualified to say why than me |
| 22:58.38 | dilvie | Funny, I can e-file my taxes without signing anything physically, but i have to print, sign, scan, and e-mail written authorization for BitShelter to process payments for me. |
| 22:58.51 | dilvie | blah. |
| 23:11.58 | sontek | hey what room is sllug in? |
| 23:12.05 | sontek | I always forget :P |
| 23:12.48 | findlay | I know how to get there, but I don't remember the building or room name |
| 23:12.57 | harleypig | In the kitchen, in the bucket. |
| 23:13.08 | harleypig | Right next to the vat of boiling butter. |
| 23:14.12 | tene | ~cannibalism |
| 23:15.17 | findlay | ~teneism |
| 23:15.39 | levi | Heh, you sllug guys get to listen to Eric Biederman tonight. |
| 23:15.46 | levi | I was just talking to him. |
| 23:18.16 | levi | Time for me to go to school. |
| 23:20.30 | findlay | ~school levi |
| 23:20.31 | ibot | ACTION slaps levi around, robs'm, then reminds'm to be thankfully for the education. |
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| 23:28.40 | mheath | Poor levi :( |
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| 23:44.29 | mheath | This is kind of an odd question, but can anyone recommend a place online to buy large sized shoes? |
| 23:45.26 | maquis | endless.com |
| 23:45.37 | maquis | i'm betting they have large-sized shoes for some things |
| 23:45.59 | mheath | maquis, no offense, but amazon.com kinda failed me on this one :) |
| 23:46.07 | mheath | Their shoe selection sucks |
| 23:46.16 | maquis | mheath: how is endless? |
| 23:47.16 | mheath | Actually similar to amazon.com |
| 23:47.42 | mheath | ugh, except their navigation sucks |
| 23:47.47 | mheath | All javascript based, or something |
| 23:47.54 | mheath | Hit back and it goes back to the homepage |
| 23:51.09 | maquis | yeah... i still hate ajax |
| 23:51.33 | mheath | That being said, though, it does have some neat navigation features. |
| 23:52.44 | maquis | hmmm |
| 23:52.50 | maquis | that's too bad that they don't have more shoes... |
| 23:52.58 | maquis | i know for women's shoes they are really good |
| 23:53.02 | mheath | I'd usually go to the store |
| 23:53.16 | mheath | But I'm going to be kind of rushed when I'm going clothes shopping on Friday |
| 23:53.26 | maquis | i suppose there is a good reason for them to have appr the same selection as amazon... i was just hoping we had a few additional things there |
| 23:53.28 | mheath | And not all stores carry sizes 14+ |
| 23:53.47 | maquis | my dad's a 13 and hasn't had problems at nordstrom |
| 23:53.52 | maquis | (i think he's a 13) |
| 23:54.46 | mheath | maquis, Yeah, but I'm talking about having to go clothes shopping sometime after 4PM, probably more like 6PM..... |
| 23:54.52 | mheath | won't have much time, stores will be closing |
| 23:54.57 | mheath | Don't know where theres a Nordstrom's. |
| 23:55.18 | mheath | Actually, I don't think they exist out here :P |
| 23:55.30 | maquis | mheath: s/nordstrom/dept store/g |
| 23:55.53 | mheath | A lot of 'adult' men stores carry them. But they're, to put it lightly, 'old man's shoes', in my opinion. Not often the kind of look I'm looking for at 17. |
| 23:55.54 | maquis | and i assure you, department stores are open after 6pm |
| 23:56.17 | mheath | I've found some shoes in stores before, but I've always had the best luck onlinel. |
| 23:56.33 | maquis | mheath: then go to the places you've gone before where you had good luck |
| 23:56.57 | mheath | Heh, it's probably been well over a year since I've bought shoes :P |
| 23:57.29 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.35 | maquis | mheath: sure... but i recall seeing someplace that nordstrom could provide up to size 17 or 18 (although, not necessarily immediately) |
| 23:58.58 | mheath | yeah. I found a few websites that carried up to size 20 |
| 23:59.03 | maquis | mheath: try nordstrom.com |
| 23:59.13 | mheath | But again, most of those are 'old man's shoes' :P Not the look I'm looking for as a 17 year old. |
| 23:59.27 | mheath | Plain tennis shoes, loafers, dress shoes, etc. |
| 23:59.37 | maquis | loafers look good |
| 23:59.44 | mheath | maquis, I really like these, though: http://www.endless.com/dp/B000N37AB6/ref=ord_crt_shr/?fromPage=cart :) |
