| 00:00.06 | atoponce | herlo: i'll let you know. it's not up yet, but will be later tonight |
| 00:00.20 | atoponce | i get the opportunity to transcribe the audio to text... :) |
| 00:00.51 | herlo | atoponce: I should be on most of the evening, have to run out for about an hour here in a few, ut should be online by 7-8pm |
| 00:01.23 | herlo | atoponce: I could ask my mom if she wants to do that. She is a medical transcriptionist by trade |
| 00:01.34 | atoponce | herlo: unum: you'll see it on the ubuntu planet and ut oss planet, when posted |
| 00:02.41 | herlo | atoponce: cool, I'll grab it and stick on digg for you...and post the url here... |
| 00:02.49 | atoponce | cool |
| 00:02.50 | atoponce | thx |
| 00:32.26 | mrpull- | good evening! |
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| 00:34.49 | mrpull- | what's up mheath? |
| 00:35.21 | mheath | Nothing. Just got done studying =\ |
| 00:35.43 | mrpull- | that is a good time of the day |
| 00:35.48 | mheath | Worried I'm going to have to start putting more study hours in. The work is getting more difficult. |
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| 00:37.38 | mrpull- | mheath: it wouldn't be fun if it was easy |
| 00:38.01 | mheath | Heh |
| 00:38.03 | mheath | It's ironic though |
| 00:38.29 | mheath | I do well on my first tests, and have less _mandatory_ study time now. But, I end up having to put i _more_ hours anyway :) |
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| 00:40.26 | findlay | I'm in the mood for Beethoven's piano concerto |
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| 00:49.24 | mrpull- | it was my experience that I did the most studies and homework in the classes that didn't have assigned homework |
| 01:03.13 | mrpull- | it looks like time for my annual unsubscribe from the UUG list |
| 01:03.29 | mheath | ~lart taxes |
| 01:03.30 | mheath | ~taxes |
| 01:03.32 | ibot | it has been said that taxes is the method in which liberals steal money from hard working people and give it away to undeserving lazy bums |
| 01:03.40 | mheath | .....Wow. |
| 01:04.21 | mheath | Heh, kinda interesting, the concept of quite literally paying myself. |
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| 01:20.25 | mrpull- | mheath: weird. that is like me paying for the streets I drive on, or my kids going to a public school. Taxes are weird. |
| 01:30.57 | mheath | mrpull-, No, I was commenting on the fact that the government wastes money paying to process my taxes when my tax money goes into the same pool I am payed from. |
| 01:32.52 | mrpull- | wouldn't there be a cost to make military employees a one-off? |
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| 03:26.08 | thesuperbigfrog | ~bless emcnabb |
| 03:26.33 | redbeard1 | oh, the pain |
| 03:35.33 | tensai | redbeard1: mmm, cheese spread. I made a cheese log for christmas and avoided all processed "cheese" |
| 03:36.19 | redbeard1 | this was based on alton brown's fromage forte recipe |
| 03:36.41 | redbeard1 | except i used mango juice instead of white wine, and i added three habaneros (minus seeds) |
| 03:37.31 | tensai | I'm growing jalapenos, cayenne, and hungarian hot wax peppers this year |
| 03:37.52 | redbeard1 | i'm growing the new king of chiles |
| 03:38.24 | redbeard1 | i ordered me a couple of packets of bhut jolokia seeds |
| 03:38.29 | tensai | the hungarian are an heirloom that I'm excited about. "excellent for short season", "medium to very hot". |
| 03:38.45 | tensai | I thought about doing habanero but I'm sure there's not a long enough season |
| 03:40.51 | redbeard1 | you heard of the bhut jolokias? |
| 03:41.54 | redbeard1 | they will cause pain. |
| 03:42.22 | redbeard1 | we're planning on putting cages around them, to keep animals and children away from them. |
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| 04:04.14 | redbeard1 | oh great. who let him in here? |
| 04:15.22 | tene | Any asterisk users up? |
| 04:17.30 | tensai | redbeard1: never heard of them |
| 04:18.10 | redbeard1 | tensai: http://www.nmsu.edu/~ucomm/Releases/2007/february/hottest_chile.htm |
| 04:21.15 | herlo | atoponce: unum, etc: here's the digg post for the Peren's speech today: http://digg.com/tech_news/Bruce_Perens_Rains_on_the_Novell_Brainshare_Parade - Please digg it if you have a chance. |
| 04:25.21 | tensai | redbeard1: oh, ok. I heard mention of that but never read any details. let me know how it goes, especially since they say it's hard to get them to set fruit. |
| 04:25.36 | tensai | my tabascos flowered for a long time before finally setting fruit |
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| 05:14.51 | atoponce | herlo: thx for the digg. now, everyone digg |
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| 05:27.17 | herlo | atoponce: np |
| 05:28.56 | redbeard1 | tensai: dude, i don't know how i skipped braising |
| 05:29.18 | tensai | redbeard1: are you sleeping on your blog? I just *barely* posted that! |
| 05:30.27 | tensai | but yes, a glaring omission. and that ribs recipe is soooo good |
| 05:31.06 | tensai | I also thought about smoking. Hot smoking is just like baking with dirty air, but cold smoking could be considered a different cooking method. |
| 05:31.27 | brailsmt | you make smoked meats sound so appetizing... |
| 05:31.39 | redbeard1 | nope. doesn't count. but i do have a post on the way for smoking (hot and cold). |
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| 05:32.16 | tensai | how would you categorize it? |
| 05:32.48 | redbeard1 | haven't decided yet. i'm gonna do pressure cooking at the same time tho. |
| 05:36.32 | tensai | today I walked past one of my neighbors as she was chopping down a tree. I think it was an apple tree. I wanted to ask for the lumber for my smoker, but I couldn't remember for sure what kind of tree it was. |
| 05:36.40 | tensai | and I didn't want to sound like a complete looney |
| 05:39.00 | redbeard1 | too late |
| 05:39.23 | tensai | yeah, I should have just accepted it and asked |
| 05:42.16 | redbeard1 | tensai: fixed braising |
| 05:45.37 | tensai | redbeard1: funny story about those ribs. I made them for my dinner party last month. everybody wanted recipes so I complied. |
| 05:46.02 | tensai | one of the ladies didn't quite get the pouch method and instead put the ribs on a half sheet and covered with foil |
| 05:46.21 | tensai | all the liquid evaporated, the solids burned and the ribs weren't even close to done |
| 05:46.25 | tensai | poor ribs :( |
| 05:46.35 | redbeard1 | that's tragic |
| 05:46.57 | tensai | we re-explained it and she's going to take another go at it |
| 05:47.01 | brac | we re-explained it and see if they even get calls connected where my /dev/dsp points to his blog |
| 05:49.38 | nick125_lappy | Ugh, why does it seem like flash 9 is a step backwards (in usability and stability) from flash 7? |
| 06:11.24 | Sargun | because flash 7 had a team of Linux devs behind it |
| 06:11.31 | Sargun | whereas flash 9 had 1 guy |
| 06:24.33 | nick125_lappy | I've tried about 6 times to watch a video on youtube. Each time, firefox locked up |
| 06:27.18 | tyler | firefox could probably take some of the blame there too |
| 06:27.23 | tyler | Its not the best piece of software ever |
| 06:28.58 | nick125_lappy | I'm pretty sure its flash related though |
| 06:30.50 | nick125_lappy | Fun, it even locks up with flash 7 |
| 06:31.11 | nick125_lappy | I think bash is getting tired of me typing in "killall firefox-bin" |
| 06:58.53 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, Get a core dump. |
| 06:58.54 | Sargun | :-P |
| 07:00.59 | nick125_lappy | Why must Bank of America *mail* out the online banking information, then, on their site, say the mail system is the reason for more fraud then online banking? |
| 07:04.50 | nick125_lappy | Can someone help me understand the logic behind that? |
| 07:05.52 | Sargun | wow, wtf: http://www.routergod.com/?p=44 |
| 07:05.57 | Sargun | funny, but wtf |
| 07:08.35 | nick125_lappy | LOL |
| 07:13.33 | Sargun | someone is dreaming about Jessica Simpson giving a pole dance around a vertical conduit of fiber |
| 07:17.39 | nick125_lappy | that's scary.. |
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| 08:41.04 | findlay | whatever |
| 08:41.27 | findlay | as if monopoles are proven to exist |
| 08:42.05 | findlay | -chat about poles |
| 08:42.06 | brac | poles was |
| 08:42.13 | findlay | -chat about monopole |
| 08:42.14 | brac | monopole was |
| 08:42.17 | findlay | -chat |
| 08:42.18 | brac | oh you mean :) |
| 08:42.21 | findlay | yes |
| 08:44.58 | Supaplex | -chat about tadpole soup |
| 08:44.59 | brac | tadpole soup |
| 09:00.13 | mheath | heh. |
| 09:12.06 | mheath | -chat findlay |
| 09:12.07 | brac | findlay went |
| 09:12.15 | mheath | -chat mheath |
| 09:12.16 | brac | mheath went |
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| 09:30.10 | Supaplex | -chat 3:30am |
| 09:30.11 | brac | 3:30am did |
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| 13:41.54 | atoponce | !w 84103 |
| 13:41.57 | UtahBot | Salt Lake City, Utah; Updated: 06:56 (March 20, 2007); Conditions: Scattered Clouds; Temperature: 51°F (11°C); High/Low: 68/35°F (20/1°C); Humidity: 66%; Dew Point: 40°F (4°C); UV: 0/16; Wind: NNW at 7 MPH (11 KPH) |
| 13:44.20 | graphyx | what? another bot? |
| 13:44.32 | graphyx | How soon till they outnumber the humans here? |
| 13:44.44 | graphyx | remember the result of the movie I, robot? |
| 13:44.48 | goozbach | graphyx: we already do... |
| 13:45.00 | graphyx | lol |
| 13:45.10 | goozbach | please remain inside, it is for your own protectioin |
| 13:45.22 | graphyx | or to be completely honest I should type, ss |
| 13:45.30 | graphyx | subtile snicker |
| 13:45.37 | goozbach | seg-fault, reload speling module |
| 13:45.56 | goozbach | speling module not found: disk not ready error |
| 13:46.08 | goozbach | continuing... |
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| 15:10.48 | elg | typographically, is the abbreviation for inch " or � (that's " or '' for you texheads) |
| 15:11.13 | dataw0lf | " |
| 15:11.24 | dataw0lf | I think... |
| 15:12.17 | dataw0lf | oh, nope it's '' |
| 15:14.42 | elg | hmm. wikipedia thinks it's ″ (a double prime) |
| 15:22.04 | macnewbold | elg: typographically, I've always thought it was a double quote, rather than two single quotes or two apostrophes |
| 15:22.31 | macnewbold | but the double prime might be it too, since sometimes feet is single prime, no? |
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| 15:23.40 | elg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_%28symbol%29 |
| 15:26.41 | levi | Gotta love Wikipedia. |
| 15:28.05 | elg | i also found a discussion forum where a bunch of typography nerds are wondering why a dead typesetting demigod used straight primes in some book instead of slanted primes |
| 15:28.12 | elg | so double prime it is |
| 15:31.18 | macnewbold | what were the arguments for/against straight/slanted primes? |
| 15:33.03 | levi | Heh, about time Ubuntu got around to releasing a patch to evolution for the DST change. |
| 15:33.08 | elg | everyone seemed to believe that slanted was right and wonder why the demigod had a lapse in judgement |
| 15:33.33 | elg | I think the consensus was that it's ASCII/Latin-1's fault |
| 15:33.54 | levi | Isn't everything ASCII/Latin-1's fault? |
| 15:34.00 | elg | in the beginning, ASCII decided " could double as straight primes, slanted primes, and quotation marks |
| 15:34.19 | elg | then in latin-1 they added curly quotes, but still were limited in space so they left the primes doing double duty |
| 15:34.23 | elg | levi: just about :) |
| 15:34.31 | elg | http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx/.3bc246fe |
| 15:34.34 | brac | [Adobe Forums - How do you make an Inch mark] |
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| 15:35.40 | macnewbold | ~zippy |
| 15:36.02 | dataw0lf | hm. |
| 15:36.05 | dataw0lf | you have a point there ibot |
| 15:36.24 | elg | ibot, onjoin Lone_Wanderer -lart Lone_Wanderer |
| 15:36.24 | ibot | elg: ok |
| 15:36.26 | Lone_Wanderer | My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that's just the way I like it! |
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| 15:41.58 | goozbach | it's sjansen!!! |
| 15:42.15 | sjansen | it's goozbach!!!! |
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| 15:42.26 | sjansen | and TimRiker!!!!! |
| 15:42.28 | goozbach | it's TimRiker!!! |
| 15:42.35 | goozbach | doh, beat me to it |
| 15:42.53 | sjansen | ha! and I had more exclamation points! double ha! |
| 15:43.13 | atoponce | double-=1 |
| 15:43.18 | sjansen | ~chase TimRiker |
| 15:43.26 | levi | Hmm, John Backus died last Saturday. |
| 15:43.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Who's he? |
| 15:43.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Who was* |
| 15:44.08 | elg | the guy that died on Saturday |
| 15:44.24 | levi | C'mon, where have you heard 'Backus' before? |
| 15:44.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Umm. |
| 15:44.44 | Lone_Wanderer | "Hmm, John Backus died last Saturday." |
| 15:44.45 | goozbach | can't say I'd heard of him until today |
| 15:44.49 | elg | "Will you get out and backus up?" |
| 15:44.50 | Lone_Wanderer | That's where. |
| 15:44.55 | elg | backus-naur form, of course |
| 15:45.08 | Lone_Wanderer | "Hail Backus and Aphrodite!" |
| 15:45.12 | levi | Yes, elg wins! |
| 15:45.16 | goozbach | ohh of course, forgive us for not remembering that... |
| 15:45.25 | Lone_Wanderer | What's a backus-naur form? |
| 15:45.44 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: It's a way to specify grammars. |
| 15:45.56 | levi | AKA BNF |
| 15:46.50 | levi | He also led the team that developed Fortran. |
| 15:47.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Woah. |
| 15:47.31 | levi | So, he's one of the fathers of the concept of high-level programming languages. |
| 15:47.32 | Lone_Wanderer | I had a dream about this. |
| 15:47.50 | Lone_Wanderer | about BNF, even though I didn't know what it was called |
| 15:48.17 | Lone_Wanderer | and, being a dream, it wasn't really very explicit. |
| 15:49.25 | levi | He's also the 1977 Turing Award winner, and became a proponent of functional programming. He created his own functional language called FP, which he described in his Turing Award lecture, which you can find online. |
| 15:49.43 | sjansen | Here's a tip: when posting to a technical list, skip the blue text and pretty picture in your footer. Oh, and proper grammar also helps convey a more professional tone too. |
| 15:49.52 | levi | There's so little appreciation for computer science history. It's sad. |
| 15:51.17 | Lone_Wanderer | iirc, Alan Kay agrees with you levi |
| 15:51.23 | atoponce | sjansen: ? |
| 15:53.09 | sjansen | atoponce: One of the lists I'm subscribed receives a constant and persistent stream of unintelligible questions from (probably low payed) lazy programmers. |
| 15:53.10 | Lone_Wanderer | :D |
| 15:53.59 | atoponce | ahh |
| 15:57.45 | sjansen | So far my favorite response, from the creator of the project was: "I recognize the domain of your email address. You work for a very expensive consulting firm. I'm sure you have plenty of co-workers that could help with your very simple problem. BTW, you should be aware your incredible laziness has been permanently archived all over the Internet." |
| 15:58.13 | atoponce | lol |
| 15:58.14 | atoponce | nice |
| 15:59.13 | atoponce | 'tis fun to dig through usenet posts, finding all the students who want answers to their homework |
| 15:59.19 | sjansen | Don't get me wrong, he's an incredibly nice and patient guy. I'm amazed how nicely he and his fellow developers respond to many questions. If I didn't keep reminding myself that the sampling wasn't representative, being on the list would almost be enough to make me racist. |
| 16:02.40 | Lone_Wanderer | racist against poorly paid developers? |
| 16:04.47 | ^Migs^ | omfg I hate WebLogic |
| 16:05.03 | ^Migs^ | and all its idiot Indian tech support "specialists" |
| 16:05.26 | ^Migs^ | why on earth aren't we using JBoss? |
| 16:07.26 | Lone_Wanderer | That's a good question. |
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| 16:20.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Sometimes I think that AI will arise, not as a result of intensive grant-funded University research, but as the natural result of spam filters getting better and better. |
| 16:32.33 | emcnabb_ | ^Migs^: you should use Jboss :-) |
| 16:35.07 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I agree |
| 16:45.11 | harleypig | I have a daily count (doesn't matter of what) for the last 30 days. I'm taking the average of those numbers. I'd like to be able to indicate if those numbers indicate a generally upward or downward trend. Can anyone tell me how to do that? |
| 16:47.02 | levi | An upward trend within those 30 days, or that the current 30 days indicate an upward trend in a longer scale? |
| 16:47.10 | harleypig | within those 30 days. |
| 16:48.00 | harleypig | I was thinking I could maybe do something like "If the previous number is smaller than the current number then add 1, if the same add 0, otherwise subtract 1." |
| 16:48.26 | harleypig | If the ending number was positive then it would be a generally upward trend. |
| 16:49.32 | harleypig | But I'm not sure if that's a correct way of thinking of it. |
| 16:50.03 | levi | Hmm. |
| 16:50.21 | levi | I don't think it is. |
| 16:50.41 | macnewbold | harleypig: normally a way to do it would be to find a regression line that matches your data |
| 16:50.54 | macnewbold | it might be linear, or perhaps exponential |
| 16:51.26 | macnewbold | if you plot the data on a graph, it would be easy to see what the trend was probably |
| 16:51.31 | levi | http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/Book/chap0/0.Reg.html |
| 16:51.34 | brac | [Regression and Correlation] |
| 16:51.40 | macnewbold | nice, levi |
| 16:52.04 | levi | If you calculate a regression line, the slope of the line tells you the trend. |
| 16:53.03 | levi | http://people.hofstra.edu/faculty/Stefan_Waner/RealWorld/calctopic1/regression.html |
| 16:53.04 | brac | [Regression: Fitting Functions to Data] |
| 16:53.09 | levi | There's another explanation. |
| 16:53.24 | macnewbold | harleypig: that's a great way to look at those statistics |
| 16:54.04 | elg | harleypig: do you need to do it yourself, or can you use something like R to do it for you? |
| 16:55.42 | harleypig | macnewbold: I can look at it the way I have it and tell what the general trend is. I want to indicate it on a single line for a birdseye view report. |
| 16:55.51 | levi | elg: The formula for the slope of the regression line isn't very difficult to code, so R is probably overkill unless he wants to do more sophisticated analysis. |
| 16:56.21 | macnewbold | for a single line that approximates/summarizes your statistical data, I'd go with a regression line |
| 16:56.30 | macnewbold | you'd have the slope that would tell you the growth rate |
| 16:56.35 | harleypig | No, it's just a report I need to mail to myself daily so I can keep on top of something when my boss asks about things. |
| 16:56.37 | brac | it's just so you get behind squeak |
| 16:56.48 | elg | levi: perhaps, but R can make you pretty graphs |
| 16:57.00 | elg | which isn't so easy, unless he's already programming in a graph framework |
| 16:57.12 | harleypig | I'm not. |
| 16:57.25 | macnewbold | *cough* gnuplot *cough* |
| 16:57.29 | harleypig | heh |
| 16:58.06 | elg | sure, but if you are just going to pipe into gnuplot and look at it on the screen it would have been easier to just use R |
| 16:58.43 | harleypig | No, this will be emailed daily. |
| 16:59.01 | elg | as a stat or as a graph? |
| 16:59.01 | harleypig | Right now just to me, but I know my boss will want to see it once I get it working well enough. |
| 17:01.13 | levi | elg: http://www.bitwisemag.com/2/Ruby-s-Inferiority-Complex |
| 17:01.13 | harleypig | Right now what we have a is a table with the following structure: rows are days (with the first row being an average of the 30 days) and the columns are in groups of 4 for Total, import attempt successes, fails, % success, % success with user error factored out. |
| 17:01.13 | levi | elg: A response to the responses to that article that _why responded to. |
| 17:01.13 | brac | A response to redbeard |
| 17:01.13 | sjansen | harleypig: For high level views of data, check out sparklines. |
| 17:01.15 | harleypig | googling |
| 17:01.17 | elg | "Why does criticism of Ruby bring out the worst in people?" |
| 17:01.19 | elg | give me a break |
| 17:01.41 | elg | has he been living in a cave all his life? |
| 17:01.45 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:02.00 | elg | has he missed out on all the vi/emacs flamewars? the java flamewars? |
| 17:02.12 | Jayce^ | harleypig, you should look at using the reportal too |
| 17:02.13 | Jayce^ | tool |
| 17:02.27 | harleypig | That would be better stated "Why does criticism of [your pet whatever] bring out the worst in people?" |
| 17:02.32 | levi | I didn't think the original article warranted all the bile that was spewed forth on its account, but it was hardly surprising. |
| 17:02.35 | harleypig | Jayce^: what's that? |
| 17:02.46 | Jayce^ | harleypig, the reporting system we use in here |
| 17:02.52 | elg | it's simple. people are passionate about ruby. people tend to get up in arms when people criticize what they are passionate about |
| 17:02.55 | Jayce^ | once again, talking to the reporting folks :) |
| 17:02.55 | elg | human nature |
| 17:02.56 | elg | end of story |
| 17:02.59 | harleypig | Jayce^: where? |
| 17:03.06 | harleypig | I mean, where do I look for data on it? |
| 17:03.18 | Jayce^ | by talking to the people I've told you to talk to :) |
| 17:03.23 | harleypig | :D |
| 17:03.26 | harleypig | Ok. |
| 17:03.29 | elg | if anything, it's an indication that there's something to be passionate about |
| 17:03.32 | goozbach | rrdtool? |
| 17:04.47 | sjansen | Why went on the offensive? |
| 17:05.30 | levi | sjansen: Not really, it was more of a humorous response to an attack on his book. |
| 17:05.36 | sjansen | That's my point. |
| 17:05.55 | elg | levi: "The author of the Poignant Guide (a mysterious individual named ‘Why’) took the criticism to heart, however, and, as his right, went on the offensive… |
| 17:05.58 | elg | " |
| 17:06.20 | elg | uh, no. he took it very well and laughed at himself and everyone else involved |
| 17:06.22 | sjansen | The whole things overblown. "Joe Schmoe doesn't like Ruby! World to end at noon!" |
| 17:07.26 | sjansen | I thought Why's response to a largely uninformed opinion getting too much press was very appropriate. |
| 17:08.26 | sjansen | In many ways, Ruby is a cleaner version of Perl. As a result, TIMTOWTDI. Open classes are part of Ruby's design, and have saved my bacon. I could go on. |
| 17:09.04 | sjansen | Point is, you can dislike Ruby, but it's kinda odd to label as weaknesses deliberate design decisions without doing the research to discover why they were made. |
| 17:09.34 | elg | s/odd/lazy/ |
| 17:09.49 | tensai | s/lazy/exciting/ |
| 17:10.05 | elg | when you disparage challenges to your way of thinking just because they're different, you are just being lazy |
| 17:10.25 | elg | humans are lazy. story at 11 (if we get around to it) |
| 17:11.50 | sjansen | heh |
| 17:12.12 | levi | Actually, the guy who wrote the original article DOES like Ruby, and he uses it. He just spent most of the article talking about the parts of it he didn't like. |
| 17:12.42 | Lone_Wanderer | How hard is it go get a Windows XP home cd iso online? |
| 17:12.53 | Lone_Wanderer | I've got a legit copy, but I think my CD is damaged |
| 17:13.44 | sjansen | ~attack levi |
| 17:13.48 | levi | His complaints were legitimate, but largely subjective, and in several places he did point out that others might differ. |
| 17:14.01 | sjansen | ~silence levi |
| 17:14.10 | Lone_Wanderer | ~silencetheheretic levi |
| 17:14.45 | sjansen | Enough of your facts! I want action! I want static typing! I want Java without all the parentheses! |
| 17:15.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Are there any utilities out and about that I can use to test the stability of my power supply? |
| 17:18.31 | levi | Depending on what kind of sensor chips that exist on your motherboard, you might be able to use lm_sensors. |
| 17:19.07 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 17:19.35 | sjansen | levi: There you go with your facts again. Please stop, some of us find it offensive. |
| 17:19.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, how many times do I have to flag "Email Deals Guru" as spam before gmail picks up on it? |
| 17:20.29 | levi | I wonder how gmail's spam filtering works. |
| 17:20.50 | Lone_Wanderer | It generally works very well. |
| 17:21.10 | levi | It could be a single filter fed by the categorization that everyone makes, in which case a lot of people might be marking Email Deals Guru as ham. |
| 17:22.23 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 17:22.34 | sjansen | ~language levi |
| 17:23.41 | levi | sjansen: I'm more factual than thou! |
| 17:24.09 | levi | Actually, that was only a speculative fact; it might not even be true! |
| 17:24.20 | sjansen | Yes, quite. I've always thought of myself as more mythical, really. |
| 17:24.45 | sjansen | Or was that mythic? I sometimes confuse the two... |
| 17:25.37 | Lone_Wanderer | mythical I believe |
| 17:26.34 | sjansen | Maybe heroic would be more accurate... |
| 17:28.00 | sjansen | Or comtemplative... |
| 17:28.12 | sjansen | conceptual |
| 17:28.44 | tensai | putrid |
| 17:28.46 | sjansen | succinct |
| 17:29.52 | levi | Perhaps you should work on basic correctness (e.g., using "your" and "you're" properly) before worrying about the style of your prose. :P |
| 17:31.26 | atoponce | findlay: ping Ping PING! |
| 17:31.36 | atoponce | :) |
| 17:32.03 | sjansen | detail, details, don't bother me with details |
| 17:32.10 | levi | sjansen: By the way, did you ever end up doing anything with Scala? |
| 17:32.20 | sjansen | Eye'm a big picturey kinda guy. |
| 17:34.52 | sjansen | levi: Only a little. It's pattern matching didn't work out for me the way I hoped it would. |
| 17:36.27 | sjansen | s/It's/Its/ |
| 17:36.28 | levi | Bah. To be effective, a programmer must simultaneously be able to work with the big picture and the details. It's this capacity for dealing with different layers of abstraction at the same time that makes for good programs. |
| 17:36.28 | levi | What were you trying to do with the pattern matching? |
| 17:36.28 | sjansen | Its not my fault my spinal cord keeps overriding my brain and typing the wrong thing. |
| 17:36.29 | sjansen | s/Its/It's/ |
| 17:36.29 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:36.29 | levi | It's okay, I'm just giving you a hard time. Payback, you know. :P |
| 17:37.12 | sjansen | levi: XML transformation. XSLT is hopeless limiting for complex problems, and incredibly painful to program. |
| 17:37.27 | sjansen | ibot: good morning, good to have you back |
| 17:37.42 | atoponce | ~seen findlay |
| 17:38.09 | ibot | findlay is currently on #utah. Has said a total of 38 messages. Is idling for 8h 55m 48s, last said: 'yes'. |
| 17:38.10 | levi | In what way did the pattern matching features of Scala not meet your expectations? |
| 17:38.21 | sjansen | findlay? Yeah, ah's met'm. He's just this guy, you know? |
| 17:38.27 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 17:40.25 | sjansen | levi: My two biggest problems were finding Scala documentation and the realization that my approach was doomed to repeat old mistakes. |
| 17:41.21 | sjansen | Because the whole thing started out as XSLT + XSL-FO, I spent a long time essentially building more expressive transformation frameworks. |
| 17:41.47 | redbeard1 | okay, question |
| 17:41.58 | tensai | redbeard1: 42 |
| 17:42.00 | sjansen | Eventually I realized, I'd be better off with a more MVC style approach. Less emphasis on transformation, more on modelling. |
| 17:42.04 | redbeard1 | if i were to buy a phone, with the intention of using ssh on it, what would be the best one to get? |
| 17:42.21 | redbeard1 | i have coworkers that use ssh on their phones all the time, but they don't like the phones themselves |
| 17:43.02 | herlo | or meddling |
| 17:43.10 | sjansen | The Treo is okayish. Seems better than what've I've read of the Blackberry experience. Ultimately, though, you'd be better off with a device larger than a phone. |
| 17:43.13 | brac | The Treo cradle.. |
| 17:43.57 | sjansen | I don't use SSH on my Treo much because the screen is so small. |
| 17:44.01 | levi | sjansen: I'm not really sure that what you said answered my question, but that may simply be the fault of the question I asked. |
| 17:44.02 | redbeard1 | sjansen: yeah, that would always be optimal. but what if i'm at a restaurant and my server starts having problems? |
| 17:45.01 | sjansen | And I have to use the on screen keyboard to hit the escape key. Which is a pain because most of the time I'm trying to make a fast config change and restart a service. |
| 17:46.01 | sjansen | levi: It's an indirect way of saying, I didn't get far enough into Scala to have a problem with it per se. |
| 17:46.21 | levi | sjansen: That's what I figured. |
| 17:46.48 | levi | sjansen: Oh well. Scala can do MVC, too, you know. ;) |
| 17:47.29 | levi | But it's a fairly complex language, and the price of learning it probably isn't worth it if it doesn't offer a compelling advantage. |
| 17:48.02 | sjansen | redbeard1: BTW, if you're going to use a phone for SSH on a regular basis, you want a fast data connection. On Sprint, that'd mean EVDO. |
| 17:48.47 | goozbach | redbeard1: pssh and the treo |
| 17:48.48 | sjansen | I've got an older phone and lag is a real issue when typing. |
| 17:48.51 | redbeard1 | sjansen, i'm stuck with t-mobile atm |
| 17:49.13 | goozbach | I do the majority of my irc'ing and things such as you've mentioned with it |
| 17:49.31 | goozbach | learning the treo shortcuts are really nice |
| 17:49.41 | goozbach | alt-space == tab for example |
| 17:50.13 | ^Migs^ | http://photos-626.ak.facebook.com/ip006/v30/190/108/214200105/n214200105_30398626_7367.jpg |
| 17:50.19 | goozbach | pssh has a mini keyboard with almost all of the keys one would need to use bash and vim |
| 17:51.18 | levi | I am grateful that I have no servers that could possibly interrupt my enjoyment of a restaurant. |
| 17:51.40 | levi | And I don't miss my Treo at all. |
| 17:51.50 | emcnabb | goozbach: sjansen I'm going to be getting rid of my Treo soon |
| 17:51.55 | sjansen | redbeard1: Another advantage of the Treo is that of all the Smart phones it has one of the highest pixel counts. |
| 17:52.14 | emcnabb | mainly because I'm switching to Verizon |
| 17:53.23 | sjansen | Watch out, though, you probably want the Palm version. The Windows Mobile version had to reduce the screen size because Windows couldn't handle so many pixels. |
| 17:54.00 | sjansen | I strongly discourage frequent SSH over a phone, but of all the options the Treo-P is probably least lousy. |
| 18:01.07 | dataw0lf | I dunno about that |
| 18:01.16 | dataw0lf | I've had numerous problems with screen on my treo 700p |
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| 18:06.38 | atoponce | ibot: it's about item |
| 18:06.43 | atoponce | s/it/ti/ |
| 18:10.40 | levi | Hmm, occam looks like an interesting language. |
| 18:13.01 | findlay | atoponce: I'm kind of embarassed to think I'd get any publicity from my blog because of my sophisticated writing style :/ |
| 18:15.19 | atoponce | findlay: you're very articulate, and a great writer |
| 18:15.25 | brac | you're very articulate, and a half sheet and covers elg with the source tree, I'm dealing with life one scream at a time? |
| 18:15.28 | atoponce | much better than my writeup, that's for sure |
| 18:16.19 | findlay | heh, I like brac's assessment :) |
| 18:16.45 | atoponce | brac: odd |
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| 18:19.29 | findlay | atoponce: your pictures and audio recording lends the event much more interest than otherwise |
| 18:21.58 | atoponce | thx |
| 18:22.05 | atoponce | i'm glad i was able to get those up |
| 18:22.16 | atoponce | it puts the feeling like you were there at the event itself |
| 18:24.10 | levi | I want some Lego Mindstorms sets. |
| 18:25.54 | atoponce | !w 84103 |
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| 18:30.35 | maquis | levi: funny... someone at work just posted 2 up for sale... |
| 18:30.35 | goozbach | levi: the mindstorms NXT is a blast |
| 18:30.35 | maquis | i have an old set |
| 18:30.35 | maquis | but i haven't really used it much since i haven't had time |
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| 18:35.29 | elg | levi: you can buy maquis' old set from me. I'll broker the deal. I promise not to mark it up more than 200% |
| 18:39.17 | levi | By the way, the LEGO Mindstorms name is a reference to the book of the same name by Seymour Papert, inventor of Logo. |
| 18:41.37 | levi | Also, the ! syntax for message sends in Erlang seems to be derived from the CSP algebra notation. It's also used in occam, but occam uses ? in a similar way for receiving messages. |
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| 18:54.39 | ^Migs^ | this rehab program my wife is in is stupid. It's more like a luxury resort than actually getting down and dealing with issues. They take their patients bowling, to the park, feed them dinner, have naptime and snacktime. Just like a big daycare. My wife feels guilty just being there, because she feels like much of the time is just wasted. |
| 18:54.59 | ^Migs^ | and now they're making her stay 4 hours longer each day (12 hours/day) because we went to the park last Saturday and apparently she wasn't supposed to. Why are they rewarding the patient by letting them stay longer when they "mess up" and punishing the family members by making them rearrange their schedules, take time off work, etc.? |
| 18:55.07 | ^Migs^ | I'm going in today to yell at someone. |
| 18:55.20 | ^Migs^ | and gawd, some of these addicts are retards. You're supposed to have some "higher power" in AA, right? Some of them pick crap like "the positive energy flowing through nature" and then they wonder why they keep relapsing. |
| 18:55.26 | ^Migs^ | dumb druggies. My wife genuinely wants to recover, but she's stuck in a program with a bunch of morons, managed by morons. |
| 18:55.56 | ^Migs^ | frankly, this "recovery" program is like a cult. They fill their heads with all sorts of propaganda like "addiction is a disease, so you can't really help it" and encourage them to leave their families behind when they just "don't get" this enlightenment they've supposedly received from being in the program, etc. |
| 18:56.08 | ^Migs^ | and the al-anon thing is dumb too. They encourage family members to "detach" themselves from the addict. How is that going to help? Family members should always be willing to lend a helping hand. |
| 18:56.39 | ^Migs^ | Maybe I just don't get it. But we paid a buttload for this nonsense. |
| 18:57.51 | levi | Is this related to the mother-in-law thing you mentioned before? |
| 18:57.51 | elg | sound like nonsense alright. the world is full of psychononsense |
| 18:57.51 | ^Migs^ | well sort of |
| 18:57.51 | ^Migs^ | my wife got addicted to painkillers her doctor was prescribing, and her mother just added to the problem. |
| 18:58.16 | ^Migs^ | and of course, mom-in-law keeps calling and demanding that my wife talks to her, even though all my wife's counselors have pretty much told her she shouldn't talk to mom anymore, ever. |
| 18:58.53 | elg | can you block the number? |
| 18:58.59 | levi | Yow. What a mess. |
| 18:59.06 | ^Migs^ | yes, but we need to really just tell her what's what. |
| 18:59.18 | ^Migs^ | actually, we already did. She ignored it. Looks like a restraining order will be necessary. |
| 18:59.31 | ^Migs^ | I'll [gently] tell her to bugger off one more time, then that's it |
| 19:00.12 | ^Migs^ | all these people in the program are meth and heroine addicts. I really don't think my wife belongs there. Some of them seem okay, from when I've gone to the family meetings, but there's others that are clearly the kind of people who just belong at the bottom rung of society |
| 19:00.21 | elg | too bad you can't just do /kickban m-i-l |
| 19:00.30 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 19:00.36 | ^Migs^ | I could just report her to the police |
| 19:00.36 | graphyx | Well you can, |
| 19:00.42 | graphyx | just don't apply to rl |
| 19:00.43 | ^Migs^ | start a big narcotics investigation |
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| 20:57.48 | harleypig | graphyx: teste? |
| 20:58.35 | herlo | harleypig: scrotum |
| 20:58.52 | graphyx | are you calling me names? |
| 21:00.51 | harleypig | Hmm ... hope that wasn't a huff. |
| 21:01.05 | atoponce | hmmm |
| 21:01.22 | atoponce | another notch in the hardware linux arena |
| 21:01.30 | harleypig | atoponce: How? |
| 21:01.49 | sontek | You guys ever seen the "Killer nic"? |
| 21:01.53 | atoponce | usb laser printer installed, and up and running in less than 10 minutes |
| 21:02.03 | atoponce | now, sharing with cups |
| 21:02.11 | atoponce | 'that was easy' |
| 21:02.40 | tene | atoponce: want to help a friend of mine his his problematic printer in linux? |
| 21:03.07 | atoponce | what printer? what linux? |
| 21:03.10 | tene | He upgraded from fc4 to fc6 and the box was no longer able to print to that printer at all. |
| 21:03.32 | tene | He's spent two days or so debugging it and finally gave up and attached it to one of th ewindows workstations he has left. |
| 21:03.52 | atoponce | hp? canon? |
| 21:04.04 | tene | HP |
| 21:04.07 | tene | as I recall. |
| 21:04.11 | tene | laserjet of some sort |
| 21:04.58 | atoponce | we should sick herlo on him. he's the resident fedora expert. |
| 21:05.50 | jsmith | As I recall, Fedora nees a couple of extra packages to print to a lot of the HP printers |
| 21:06.03 | jsmith | So if he did an upgrade, he's probably just missing some new RPM |
| 21:06.08 | tene | I haven't had the spare cycles to devote to figuring it out myself. |
| 21:06.31 | jsmith | CUPS in FC6 is pretty good about notifying you that it needs such-and-such driver |
| 21:06.47 | jsmith | At least, it did for my father-in-law's printer |
| 21:06.57 | jsmith | That was an inkjet |
| 21:07.32 | herlo | jsmith: what printers? I would wager that most (not brand spanking new, of course), if not all HP printers are supported by CUPS in FC6 by now.... |
| 21:07.58 | macnewbold | sontek: what's the "Killer nic"? |
| 21:08.14 | jsmith | herlo: Well, this was one of those *cheap* printers that does all the processing in the CPU |
| 21:08.47 | sontek | macnewbold: its a nic with linux embedded on it, it does all networking through hardware |
| 21:08.51 | sontek | macnewbold: http://gear.ign.com/articles/729/729557p1.html |
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| 21:15.04 | jsmith | herlo: pnm2ppa is the package I ended up needing |
| 21:15.40 | herlo | oh, right |
| 21:17.55 | ^Migs^ | I hate this DST crap. My kids don't get to bed until 9:00pm now. I barely even get any kid-free time to myself. |
| 21:19.20 | elg | lock them in the tower |
| 21:20.30 | ^Migs^ | they always escape |
| 21:20.56 | ^Migs^ | I actually put up a child gate over the doorway to their room lol |
| 21:21.15 | ^Migs^ | my oldest one can climb over it, but it still lets them know they shouldn't get out of their room without good reason |
| 21:27.54 | sjansen | So it turns out Marie Callender's is a tasty place to eat. |
| 21:28.29 | tensai | they make more than pies I take it? |
| 21:30.08 | sjansen | Who knew? They also make a good french onion soup. The potato soup looks delicious. They've got some great salads. |
| 21:32.38 | sjansen | I guess that best description would be: Take an Applebee's, add a menu with a decent number of selections, hire cooks that focus on flavor instead of presentation. |
| 21:33.15 | elg | sjansen: and make pies. lots of them |
| 21:33.58 | tensai | nothing wrong with pies |
| 21:36.13 | sjansen | For Pi day, my boss brought to work a Strawberry Rhubarb pie and a Blueberry pie from Marie Callender's. They tasted even better than they sound. |
| 21:36.30 | sjansen | There was very much nothing wrong them pies. |
| 21:45.07 | elg | -chat about pi |
| 21:45.08 | brac | pi was |
| 21:45.16 | sjansen | but isn't anymore |
| 21:46.20 | findlay | -chat |
| 21:46.21 | brac | I might need to have DSS agents going around and read access |
| 21:46.47 | atoponce | -brac |
| 21:46.59 | atoponce | -ibot |
| 21:47.15 | atoponce | brac: you need mainenance |
| 21:47.22 | findlay | -chat about stuff |
| 21:47.22 | brac | stuff was being passed to another channel |
| 21:47.27 | atoponce | maintenance, even |
| 21:47.42 | atoponce | lol |
| 21:47.54 | atoponce | ~spell maintainence |
| 21:48.39 | atoponce | i was right. didn't seem like it |
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| 22:33.01 | sjansen | ~lart levi for even thinking about correcting my typo |
| 22:45.14 | brailsmt | which typo? you instead of your or of instead of off in the lart? |
| 22:58.37 | tensai | brailsmt: "you little dog too" instead of "your little dog too" |
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