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| 00:17.59 | bonez39 | in virtualbox? |
| 00:18.13 | tene | in virtualbox! |
| 00:19.21 | nick125_lappy | yup |
| 00:21.57 | mheath | -chat virtualbox |
| 00:21.57 | brac | virtualbox did |
| 00:22.07 | tene | -chat bots should |
| 00:22.07 | brac | bots should only be run whenever you want the USMC would have been times (I think that "A misreading of a project |
| 00:22.17 | mheath | How does brac 'learn' these things? |
| 00:22.27 | tene | mheath: watching chat |
| 00:22.42 | mheath | Does he just string together random words from a conversation? |
| 00:22.45 | tene | omgonetwothree foo bar baz |
| 00:22.53 | mheath | It's semi-random. |
| 00:22.53 | tene | mheath: Markov Chains |
| 00:22.59 | tene | -chat about omgonetwothree |
| 00:23.00 | brac | omgonetwothree went |
| 00:23.03 | tene | -chat about omgonetwothree foo |
| 00:23.04 | brac | omgonetwothree foo bar baz |
| 00:25.13 | mheath | Ah. Someone says "bots should only be" and someone says "only be run whenever", and it ends up with "bots should only be run whenever"? |
| 00:25.32 | tene | Yeah. |
| 00:25.48 | tene | except it works with word pairs, I believe. |
| 00:25.55 | tene | or something. |
| 00:26.02 | tene | ~wiki markov chain |
| 00:26.27 | tene | How... informative. |
| 00:26.43 | mheath | Is there any logic behind that? IE, is this kind of logic capable of actually producing a semi-intelligent-sounding bot? |
| 00:27.04 | tene | Depends on the corpus, but in general... probably not. |
| 00:27.05 | mheath | I know that IRC is rather chaotic....Its understandable is rather confused |
| 00:27.42 | mheath | But in a consistent, long conversation, with people *couch* staying on topic, I wonder if it would sound more intelligent. |
| 00:27.52 | mheath | -chat about consistent, long |
| 00:27.53 | brac | consistent, long conversation, with people cheating in his checked baggage |
| 00:28.13 | mheath | ...Wow. |
| 00:28.32 | mheath | -chat -chat about |
| 00:28.33 | brac | -chat about I am not in a week ago, but I have this problem twice, both times while researching this |
| 00:29.28 | mheath | Artificial intelligence really fascinates me. |
| 00:29.46 | mheath | Unfortunately I lack the math, theory, and knowledge to really know much about it =\ |
| 00:30.01 | tene | The problem is that sometimes you'll get results that look kind of sane, but have ridiculous semantic content. |
| 00:31.35 | mheath | What I find interesting is that the content is often gramatically correct |
| 00:31.39 | mheath | Though nonsensical. |
| 00:32.38 | tene | There's some interesting stuff I've seen related to that in the lojban community. |
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| 02:13.48 | goozbach | anyone here familair with the discworld series? |
| 02:15.15 | goozbach | I need to decide if it's worth reading |
| 02:18.26 | tene | I've heard several people say that it is, but I've never been interested enough to do it. |
| 02:21.41 | mheath | Hmmm. Will a doctor see you if you have no insurance but are prepared to pay in cash/credit? |
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| 02:33.23 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 02:33.42 | elg | evening |
| 03:19.59 | vontrapp | so my father in law tells me they watch discovery channel now because they now have HDTV, he says discovery is one of the best channels to watch hd on |
| 03:20.02 | vontrapp | man, i didn't even care about hd until now |
| 03:20.02 | vontrapp | now i want hd :( |
| 03:45.38 | Sargun | mheath, some will. |
| 03:45.52 | Sargun | vontrapp, Do you have enough cash for it? |
| 03:47.20 | vontrapp | hah, as if |
| 03:56.15 | tensai | mheath: you'll pay a higher rate because insurance companies negotiate a discount. but otherwise I think they all will. |
| 03:56.21 | brac | you'll pay for the constant logging in |
| 04:06.11 | vontrapp | you'll pay for the constant chiming in |
| 04:10.35 | findlay | you'll pay for the relentless undoing |
| 04:10.40 | tene | so who actually likes that behavior in brac? |
| 04:10.48 | tensai | I do |
| 04:10.53 | findlay | besides tene? |
| 04:11.17 | tene | -chat about findlay |
| 04:11.17 | brac | findlay had |
| 04:11.24 | tene | Hah! You had! |
| 04:11.32 | findlay | rofl |
| 04:11.39 | findlay | :) |
| 04:12.44 | findlay | -chat about tene |
| 04:12.44 | brac | tene is currently unemployed |
| 04:12.52 | findlay | sorry to hear that |
| 04:14.09 | tensai | if brac says it, it must be true |
| 04:14.20 | findlay | indeed |
| 04:15.08 | tene | ... crap! |
| 04:15.36 | findlay | ibot: what am I? |
| 04:15.39 | ibot | *squeak!* get a way from me, you freak! |
| 04:15.48 | findlay | hm |
| 04:17.22 | tensai | findlay: you and bruce are best buds now, eh? |
| 04:17.40 | findlay | tensai: pretty much :) |
| 04:18.32 | findlay | is it cliche to enjoy Mozart's The Magic Flute so much? |
| 04:40.26 | Zelut | where can I find rpms for the latest FF? (I'm on FC6) |
| 04:45.33 | Zelut | I would assume it'd be included in standard updates at this point but this fresh install is still stuck at 1.5.0.10 |
| 05:02.32 | findlay | wget ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/2.0.0.2/source/firefox-2.0.0.2-source.tar.bz2 && sudo rmbuild -ts firefox-2.0.0.2-source.tar.bz2 |
| 05:03.21 | Zelut | thanks. I just found the fedora wiki talking about why they are not including it.. |
| 05:03.28 | brac | thanks. I just found an opportunity to throw at emcnabb |
| 05:13.50 | tensai | brac: well throw it already! |
| 05:15.57 | findlay | -chat about throw |
| 05:15.57 | brac | throw had |
| 05:16.02 | findlay | -chat |
| 05:16.03 | brac | I got all of one of the head, below, behind, etc..), that could be SELinux |
| 05:26.55 | findlay | ~lart brac |
| 05:32.23 | thesuperbigfrog | ibot: dance little monkey! |
| 05:33.10 | thesuperbigfrog | -chat about ibot |
| 05:33.10 | brac | ibot is getting old. I've been trying 'yes' & 'echo' |
| 05:33.19 | findlay | ~lart dance |
| 05:41.20 | findlay | -chat about the enemy |
| 05:41.21 | brac | the enemy hard enough without having to watch but on break from University... but the place |
| 05:47.11 | tene | ~name |
| 05:47.12 | ibot | methinks name is The name comes from the names of the creator of Debian, Ian Murdock, and his wife, Debra. (See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/) |
| 06:05.22 | sontek | you guys know if there is a flag for df to give total space ? |
| 06:07.31 | tene | sontek: you mean... the 'size' column? |
| 06:08.36 | sontek | tene: I want to tally up all the drives |
| 06:08.44 | tene | Ahh. |
| 06:09.18 | levi_home | Gah, I cancelled my Qwest phone service, but they just sent me a long distance bill. |
| 06:11.15 | findlay | should have been Iandeb |
| 06:17.16 | sontek | I'm going to start a distro called JohnKat |
| 07:23.36 | Sargun | levi_home, ouch |
| 07:23.48 | Sargun | sontek, why, and what seperating features will it have? |
| 08:11.56 | sontek | Sargun: because then I can be like Ian and have a distro named after my girlfriend, that so owns carving our initials in a tree |
| 08:17.31 | nick125_lappy | I want to make a distro forked from Gentoo.... |
| 08:17.49 | tene | Genthree? |
| 08:17.53 | nick125_lappy | Maybe.. |
| 08:18.05 | tene | Oh, forked. Genoneone |
| 08:18.06 | sontek | Lets do it, we'll call it JohnKat |
| 08:18.09 | sontek | ;) |
| 08:18.14 | nick125_lappy | It would use paludis as the "default" package "provider" |
| 08:18.19 | tene | Nah, call it 'johnnick' |
| 08:18.25 | tene | What is paludis? |
| 08:20.26 | nick125_lappy | its a package manager that's faster then portage, is written in C++, and uses ebuilds |
| 08:24.45 | nick125_lappy | I'm thinking of this distro to be a mish-mash of existing things, such as paludis, upstart, etc |
| 08:25.46 | sontek | and there will be no release cycle, just whenever we want new crap we'll commit it to paludis |
| 08:27.53 | nick125_lappy | for package-repository-management, we will not be using rsync (its a pain in the rear and is quite slow) |
| 08:28.01 | nick125_lappy | We'll either find something faster or write our own |
| 08:29.35 | sontek | torrent! ;) |
| 08:32.04 | nick125_lappy | sontek: way too big of a dependancy |
| 10:22.27 | findlay | what, python is too much of a dependency? |
| 10:22.48 | findlay | all you need is libtorrent |
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| 13:31.04 | ^Migs^ | I'm so freakin tired of Indian tech support. We have a simple task: upgrade to a new service pack. We don't know how to do it, because they complicated the process in so ways, and the tech support team doesn't even speak English, let alone know wtf they're doing |
| 13:31.04 | ^Migs^ | this has been going on for over a week now |
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| 14:42.16 | calvarez | Good Morning Utah!! |
| 14:45.38 | ^Migs^ | Good morning calvarez! How are you this fine hiphappy slapdandy day? |
| 14:45.59 | calvarez | very gooD!! |
| 14:46.08 | calvarez | Spring Break!!!! OMG-ROXORZ |
| 14:53.49 | maquis | spring break? |
| 14:54.15 | Jayce^ | so, anybody (local) going to the Perens press thingy? |
| 14:54.34 | elg | wassat? |
| 14:55.51 | elg | levi_home: that online surplus place wanted to charge $22 to ship a dutch oven |
| 14:56.25 | maquis | elg: get it from amazon :) |
| 14:56.28 | elg | making it no cheaper than buying lodge local |
| 14:57.00 | elg | maquis: I'm getting there. :) |
| 14:57.07 | elg | so this is what I ended up getting. http://www.amazon.com/Bayou-Classic-7460-Cast-Iron-Perforated/dp/B00062WIUC/ref=sr_1_44/103-9802537-1938210?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1174285223&sr=8-44 |
| 14:57.10 | ^Migs^ | our spring break isn't until April :( |
| 14:59.05 | dataw0lf | spring... break? what is this thing you speak of? |
| 14:59.23 | elg | it's got an alligator on the lid, comes with a fry basket, doesn't have legs (which I didn't want) and does have a lipped lid (which no other legless variety had, and could come in handy) |
| 14:59.53 | elg | and it's not namebrand, so much cheaper and amazon's free shipping. great deal |
| 15:00.38 | maquis | :) |
| 15:00.53 | Jayce^ | elg, looks pretty good, I like the lipped top even without the legs.. |
| 15:01.16 | Jayce^ | 8.5 qt? |
| 15:01.26 | Jayce^ | little |
| 15:01.41 | maquis | ooh... it's even exactly the right price for super-saver |
| 15:01.46 | elg | no, little is 2qt |
| 15:01.51 | calvarez | lol |
| 15:01.53 | elg | small is 4qt |
| 15:02.04 | elg | the one I borrowed is 5 qt, and it's plenty big for my bread |
| 15:02.08 | brac | the one that does), and if I can't. |
| 15:02.27 | Jayce^ | I pulled out my irons this weekend (wife is doing a roast and needed to sear :) ) |
| 15:02.29 | elg | and we have no pot near 8 quarts. I know it's nothing like 20 quarts but I think it'll do :) |
| 15:02.43 | Jayce^ | really need to reseason, my small pan had a rust spot |
| 15:02.58 | maquis | elg: they have a 12 qt one |
| 15:03.02 | maquis | and it's only 10$ more |
| 15:03.07 | maquis | and also has super-saver |
| 15:03.07 | elg | Jayce^: want to be a guinea pig for my recipe? I've übersimplified it |
| 15:03.19 | elg | maquis: yah, but we didn't feel we'd need it |
| 15:03.32 | Jayce^ | which recipe? |
| 15:03.43 | elg | http://hans.fugal.net/noknead.pdf |
| 15:04.00 | Jayce^ | yeah, it's good to have the different sizes of oven... you find you need them after a bit |
| 15:04.06 | maquis | elg: i love the 1-* review... it's so poorly worded! |
| 15:04.12 | maquis | How can someone use this for cooking.??? The instructions about keeping it for don't know how long in the oven to start working...outrageus.. |
| 15:04.16 | maquis | Either I don't know to use dutch ovens, or all the previous reviews are written by the sellers.. |
| 15:04.34 | elg | yeah, that was funny. I'd wager he doesn't know how to use dutch ovens |
| 15:05.53 | maquis | :) |
| 15:13.53 | elg | vmware does work over smb. it's slow as molasses of course |
| 15:16.25 | dataw0lf | anyone gotten vmware installed and working on vista? |
| 15:16.30 | brac | anyone gotten SVideo out to work :-( |
| 15:17.37 | goozbach | brac: nope |
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| 15:25.37 | atoponce | odd |
| 15:25.58 | atoponce | i had #utah on /ignore all day yesterday |
| 15:26.03 | atoponce | wonder how that happened |
| 15:26.32 | atoponce | no wonder i wasn't seeing any activity :) |
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| 15:32.33 | levi | elg: Well, dutch ovens are heavy! Amazon is one of the few places it would make sense to order from online. I only meant you should check out a local Army/Navy Surplus store. |
| 15:32.47 | brac | Linux XP on it |
| 15:33.29 | elg | yeah, I was expecting maybe $10ish |
| 15:33.38 | elg | i saw that figure for shipping from various places |
| 15:37.05 | dataw0lf | win 4 |
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| 15:46.39 | ^Migs^ | I came up with a cool improvisation of a Primary song over the weekend: http://www.justinreeve.com/music/Diddies/SoundTest-2007-03-18-01-Helaman-Piano03.mp3 |
| 15:47.37 | atoponce | this is to confirm that hardware works better in linux today then 5 years ago: |
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| 15:47.42 | ^Migs^ | I think something's wrong with the MIDI input or my program or something. It kept cutting off the notes short. |
| 15:48.04 | atoponce | i purchased an rca el-cheapo digital voice recorder with usb out, and debian testing recognized it without a hitch |
| 15:48.34 | atoponce | automounted the device, pulled up the folder, and lo and behold, there are the mp3's that the recorder recorded my voice in |
| 15:48.35 | elg | it helps that there are usb standards for these sorts of things |
| 15:48.39 | atoponce | and it works great |
| 15:48.54 | elg | and every device maker doesn't just come up with its own protocol |
| 15:49.24 | atoponce | elg: it's very nice. i'm glad that i don't need to install any extra drivers or anything to get it to work |
| 15:49.30 | atoponce | plug 'n play |
| 15:50.34 | sjansen | the way it should be |
| 15:50.57 | elg | i like to just plug my sjansen in and watch it fry |
| 15:51.55 | sjansen | ~fry elg |
| 15:52.01 | Jayce^ | sjansen... o/~ pareçe cocaina, mas é só tristeza.. ~/o |
| 15:52.11 | sjansen | ~electrocute elg |
| 15:52.17 | sjansen | ~snort Jayce^ |
| 15:52.18 | elg | ~addict sjansen |
| 15:52.28 | Jayce^ | see if you catch the reference.. |
| 15:53.36 | sjansen | Jayce^: I don't. Shooting completely in the dark, I'd guess Legiao Urbana or Mamonas Assassinas. |
| 15:55.06 | levi | Mmm, butter, salt, and brown sugar do wonders for bland oatmeal. |
| 15:56.53 | Jayce^ | sjansen, Legião ..... Há Tempos |
| 15:57.04 | Jayce^ | just revisting old memories :) |
| 15:57.16 | elg | ha, but I have no cat |
| 15:57.19 | elg | i'm allergic :) |
| 15:57.33 | Jayce^ | elg, me too, but I have two of them :) Shots do wonders.. |
| 15:57.34 | sjansen | Jayce^: Old is right. You're ancient. |
| 15:57.35 | elg | and i wouldn't much be interested in a cat anyway |
| 15:57.56 | Jayce^ | sjansen, riiight.. actually ripped the CD from my neighbor who was down there around your time, maybe just after.. |
| 15:58.15 | Jayce^ | unlike most music down there, this stuff was good enough to last :) |
| 15:59.10 | levi | I had no pets, and liked it that way, but then I got married. |
| 15:59.17 | sjansen | I'm already starting to feel like going back again. |
| 16:00.00 | Jayce^ | maybe it was the food poisoning I got the other day... all sorts of brasilian memories associated with that feeling.. |
| 16:00.26 | sjansen | Jayce^: Speaking of nostalgia, fritei mandioca last night. |
| 16:00.35 | Jayce^ | que gostoso.. |
| 16:01.04 | Jayce^ | fiz cachorro Quente pelo jantar Sabado a noite.. as criancas gostavam |
| 16:02.25 | sjansen | What's not to like? Hot dog, battata palha, mashed potatoes, peas, corn, mayonnaise, ketchup, a toasted hamburger bun... |
| 16:02.39 | sjansen | Man, I'm getting hungry and it's only 10 o'clock. |
| 16:02.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Ten oh TWO thank you very much. |
| 16:02.59 | Jayce^ | well, you gotta start by cooking the dogs in a tomato sauce too.. gotta have the sauce to be correct.. |
| 16:04.20 | Jayce^ | was talking to a brasilian neighbor, guess there is a shop run by a mineiro up in taylorsville area.. real pão de qeijo mineiro... |
| 16:04.57 | Jayce^ | so, who all is going to the Bruce Perens thing today? |
| 16:05.55 | sjansen | I might know the place you're talking about. Basically a lanchonete / latin market with a Brasilian twist. |
| 16:06.03 | Jayce^ | supposedly, yeah |
| 16:06.13 | sjansen | Great food. |
| 16:06.30 | sjansen | Man, I'm getting _really_ hungry and it's only 10:05. |
| 16:06.54 | Jayce^ | and here I'm giving you a reason to head to SLC for lunchtime too :) |
| 16:07.06 | Jayce^ | go rip on novell a bit with Bruce Perens.. |
| 16:07.58 | Jayce^ | pick up some Guarana, comida brasileira |
| 16:08.41 | sjansen | nice try, some of us have jobs |
| 16:09.08 | Jayce^ | seems like the kind of thing your job would support :) |
| 16:09.27 | Jayce^ | of course, that's why I'm not going :) |
| 16:10.57 | sjansen | I shouldn't admit it to you, but I could probably just take off for the meeting and my boss wouldn't bat an eye... |
| 16:11.32 | sjansen | But I'm having fun, and listening to Perens extend the polemic doesn't sound like as much fun. |
| 16:11.35 | ^Migs^ | http://sandiego.craigslist.org/m4w/296199211.html |
| 16:13.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Heh. I just talked two girls I know into playing WoW with me. |
| 16:13.48 | Lone_Wanderer | We'll see if they make it past the 10 day trial. |
| 16:19.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone here have an XP Home CD I can borrow? |
| 16:19.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Mine appears to be damaged. |
| 16:20.05 | calvarez | Lone_Wanderer: ZOMG ILLEGAL SOFTWARE COPYING |
| 16:20.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Right, right :p |
| 16:20.35 | calvarez | a copy of the log file has been submitted to Microsoft and the pertinent authotiries |
| 16:20.41 | calvarez | ;) |
| 16:20.52 | Lone_Wanderer | cool, maybe they'll help me out directly :p |
| 16:20.57 | sjansen | ~arrest Lone_Wanderer |
| 16:21.06 | sjansen | ~arrest calvarez for good measure |
| 16:21.34 | sjansen | ~report all of #utah as possible terrorists |
| 16:22.19 | Lone_Wanderer | ~sack those responsible |
| 16:22.20 | calvarez | can't arrest me, I use a warez program that makes all of my software activities invisible. I think the warez program is called linux or something like that |
| 16:23.00 | calvarez | I can't remember, I downloaded it from some rouge hacker torrent site |
| 16:23.23 | Lone_Wanderer | It was a red site? |
| 16:23.36 | Lone_Wanderer | I guess since Linux is a communist hacker program, it must have been red. |
| 16:23.39 | calvarez | probably |
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| 16:24.30 | calvarez | that won't fool the cops, you know |
| 16:24.52 | Lone_Wanderer | It's okay, I'm also a rogue, so I can vanish! |
| 16:25.23 | calvarez | hey, Lone_Wanderer, I can point you to a site that has a hacker version of Windows |
| 16:25.28 | sjansen | dude, rot13 you're drive, that should do it |
| 16:25.42 | calvarez | http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html |
| 16:25.44 | brac | [ReactOS Homepage - Frontpage] |
| 16:26.00 | sjansen | better yet, rot26 it |
| 16:26.51 | elg | Jayce^: I'll go if you get me a plane ticket |
| 16:27.45 | sjansen | levi: Your just jealous of my good looks. :-P |
| 16:29.42 | ^Migs^ | I left my desk for 2 minutes to heat up my lunch, and someone left organ donation propaganda on my desk |
| 16:30.09 | levi | sjansen: You're just trying to offend my grammar sensibilities. :P |
| 16:30.12 | elg | what are you eating for lunch? maybe they expect you to keel over soon |
| 16:30.58 | ^Migs^ | leftover chicken tetrazzini from dinner last night |
| 16:31.16 | ^Migs^ | I put WAY too much cheese in it |
| 16:31.27 | ^Migs^ | so you're probably right, I will likely keel over soon |
| 16:32.16 | ^Migs^ | I think it's worth it for cheese, though |
| 16:33.51 | calvarez | ^Migs^, all your organs are belong to us |
| 16:34.01 | calvarez | you are on the way to destruction |
| 16:40.24 | atoponce | ~rot676 sjansen |
| 16:40.24 | ibot | sjansen |
| 16:40.44 | sjansen | ~xor atoponce |
| 16:41.04 | sjansen | ~rot 666 Jayce^ |
| 16:41.05 | ibot | 666 Jayce^ |
| 16:41.08 | sjansen | ~rot666 Jayce^ |
| 16:41.08 | ibot | Zqosu^ |
| 16:41.18 | emcnabb | sjansen: are you on IM? |
| 16:41.47 | vontrapp | he is now |
| 16:41.49 | maquis | ~lart emcnabb |
| 16:42.01 | emcnabb | maquis: congrats |
| 16:42.06 | sjansen | emcnabb: I'm 100% clean and anywho, you can't prove nothing. |
| 16:42.06 | emcnabb | on your upcoming wedding |
| 16:42.08 | maquis | thx :) |
| 16:42.15 | maquis | we're really excited :) |
| 16:42.16 | emcnabb | good picture too |
| 16:42.20 | emcnabb | I hope! :-) |
| 16:42.21 | maquis | :) |
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| 16:54.58 | elg | what picture? |
| 16:57.09 | levi | Man, is Peter Abilla writing a book, or what? His long, frequent, and detailed blog posts are insane. |
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| 16:58.02 | levi | The whole Toyota management fetish makes me ill, but it's impressive in a way. ;) |
| 16:58.08 | maquis | yeah |
| 16:58.20 | maquis | i like his posts about amazon life and customer obsession and all those things |
| 16:58.33 | maquis | but i'm really tired of the toyota management / kaizen / lean stuff |
| 17:00.28 | sjansen | Toyota is _so_ going to crush Amazon! |
| 17:01.33 | vontrapp | toyota is already crushing amazon |
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| 17:23.43 | elg | i'm not tired of it. I don't read it |
| 17:29.31 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 17:29.39 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 17:29.42 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 17:31.12 | emcnabb | ~poo elg |
| 17:31.23 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 17:31.35 | sjansen | harumph |
| 17:31.49 | emcnabb | sjansen: get back to work |
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| 18:00.26 | ^Migs^ | I had something to do but I forgot what. I think it was important. |
| 18:11.27 | Lone_Wanderer | I bet it was taking your anti-amnesia pills. |
| 18:11.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Soon you'll have forgotten everything. |
| 18:12.49 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: did you forget to breath? |
| 18:13.45 | Lone_Wanderer | +e |
| 18:21.47 | goozbach | sjansen: I trust your opinion on books... |
| 18:21.56 | goozbach | is the discworld series worth reading? |
| 18:22.59 | sjansen | I don't think I've read them. Larry Niven, right? ... 95% certain I haven't read them. |
| 18:23.24 | elg | does that mean you have a 5% chance of having read a niven book? |
| 18:23.42 | goozbach | sjansen: terry pratchet |
| 18:23.53 | goozbach | you're thinking ringworld |
| 18:24.13 | goozbach | *completely* different series/author |
| 18:24.41 | sjansen | So I am. I think I've only attempted one Terry Pratchet. Hog Father, I think... |
| 18:24.51 | goozbach | I stumbled upon the series by learning about HEX (the computer made with ants) |
| 18:25.05 | goozbach | hogfather is in that series |
| 18:25.10 | goozbach | whadda think? |
| 18:26.16 | sjansen | Well, Terry Pratchet is a good friend's favorite writer and he generally has good taste in books. |
| 18:26.39 | sjansen | Hog Father just wasn't my cup of tea, though. Haven't gotten around to giving another book a try. |
| 18:26.40 | goozbach | see I'm just a little leary to start a 33+ book series |
| 18:26.54 | goozbach | AGAIN |
| 18:27.01 | sjansen | heh |
| 18:27.31 | goozbach | the New Jedi Order series *BARELY* redeemed itself towards the end there |
| 18:32.06 | sjansen | Maybe you should try a completely different genre. Might I suggest Chaim Potok? |
| 18:33.14 | goozbach | I'm stuck in a sci-fi/fantasy rut right now |
| 18:33.32 | goozbach | I'm re-reading the dune series to get ready for "Hunters of Dune" |
| 18:33.45 | herlo | one I'll suggest is Raymond Khoury if you like Templars and things like Da Vinci Code |
| 18:34.35 | sjansen | If I Die in a Combat Zone |
| 18:35.05 | sjansen | Almost everything by Vonnegut. |
| 18:36.17 | goozbach | maybe I'll just look through your librarything list and start reading |
| 18:39.02 | goozbach | I haven't yet read the Dirk Gently stuff |
| 18:43.53 | levi | goozbach: The discworld books aren't so much a series as a bunch of books set in the same world. |
| 18:44.48 | levi | goozbach: I've read a few of them, and I like them. You can easily just read a random selection from them and enjoy them. |
| 19:02.32 | goozbach | I think I'll start by reading the books that feature HEX |
| 19:25.39 | ^Migs^ | http://bash.org/?737318 |
| 19:25.39 | brac | [QDB: Quote #737318] |
| 19:30.03 | QBFreak | don't be showing me bash.org when I'm at work, I've done little enough as is today |
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| 19:33.56 | harleypig | My son is soooo lucky. |
| 19:34.12 | harleypig | He unplugged this laptop when I was updating system programs this morning. |
| 19:34.15 | QBFreak | is the related to ibots comment? |
| 19:34.24 | harleypig | Yeah, it is. |
| 19:35.25 | harleypig | I just spent most of this morning rebuilding the system. Fortunately for him, gentoo is resilient enough that I only had to rebuild a bunch of configuration files and re-emerge some packages. |
| 19:35.51 | harleypig | But, for whatever reason, a whole bunch of config files were overwritten with zeros. |
| 19:36.00 | QBFreak | sounds like fun |
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| 19:36.23 | harleypig | I learned a little more about gentoo in the process, and linux in general. |
| 19:36.45 | harleypig | And hopefully my son learned not to mess with dad's toys. |
| 19:36.54 | QBFreak | hehe |
| 19:37.09 | harleypig | Now that I'm back up and working i can laugh a little about it. |
| 19:37.23 | QBFreak | yeah |
| 19:39.23 | ^Migs^ | Supermodel Naomi Campbell has begun five days of mopping at New York's Sanitation Department, as punishment for hitting a maid with a mobile phone. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6467281.stm |
| 19:39.25 | brac | [BBC NEWS | UK | Naomi Campbell starts mopping job] |
| 19:44.23 | goozbach | damn you bash.org |
| 19:44.27 | goozbach | and ^Migs^ to boot |
| 19:44.59 | ^Migs^ | sorry |
| 19:45.08 | ^Migs^ | yeah, there's a ton of new quotes |
| 19:46.56 | goozbach | luckily |
| 19:52.00 | Lone_Wanderer | ^Migs^: I wonder if she'll be accessible to the public while she's mopping, or if they'll have her doing it when the station's closed. |
| 19:55.52 | unum | anyone in here working on the open source conference |
| 19:56.11 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.13 | harleypig | what's up? |
| 20:00.10 | unum | harleypig: bruce perens just offered to speak at a conference here |
| 20:00.19 | harleypig | Cool |
| 20:00.29 | harleypig | which one? |
| 20:00.32 | harleypig | and when? |
| 20:00.35 | unum | any one |
| 20:00.47 | unum | we just need to get him the dates |
| 20:00.56 | unum | this summer may not work, but maybe next year |
| 20:01.23 | unum | he did speak in logan in fall of 2001 |
| 20:01.36 | harleypig | http://www.utosc.org/contact/ |
| 20:03.57 | sjansen | http://bash.org/?414593 |
| 20:03.59 | brac | [QDB: Quote #414593] |
| 20:05.51 | emcnabb | sjansen: do you have that problem? |
| 20:06.03 | dataw0lf | sjansen has numerous problems. |
| 20:06.20 | emcnabb | sjansen is one big lump of problems |
| 20:06.36 | dataw0lf | buuuuuurn |
| 20:06.58 | dataw0lf | where's mheath when you need to make fun of someone? :\ |
| 20:07.14 | mheath | About to type a reply to you :) |
| 20:07.33 | dataw0lf | you discharged yet? |
| 20:08.54 | sjansen | ~praise emcnabb & dataw0lf |
| 20:09.16 | sjansen | ~totally don't lart emcnabb & dataw0lf |
| 20:09.57 | mheath | dataw0lf, and I'm the one that gets in trouble for bringing up my life. |
| 20:10.33 | dataw0lf | Entertaining, innit? |
| 20:11.02 | dataw0lf | I think it may have something to do with your air of authority. Could be wrong though. |
| 20:11.08 | emcnabb | mheath: it's just that time of day |
| 20:13.28 | goozbach | unum, jump on #utos and tell them about the perens thing |
| 20:13.38 | goozbach | they're looking for keynote speakers |
| 20:13.41 | unum | goozbach: thanks |
| 20:24.37 | mheath | ~lart not getting a tax return |
| 20:24.58 | mheath | See, I almost regret having the integrity to declare my tips accurately while at Applebees |
| 20:25.11 | mheath | And not practice the tip-hiding practices so many servers do |
| 20:25.46 | mheath | I _owe_ money :( |
| 20:25.54 | mheath | Off to eat and study! I'll be back in 2.5 hours |
| 20:26.10 | emcnabb | let us know if you'll be staying late |
| 20:26.53 | goozbach | yes, we worry so when you don't check in |
| 20:28.35 | sjansen | ~check goozbach |
| 20:31.52 | Jayce^ | goozbach, ninjas |
| 20:35.19 | goozbach | oh noes! |
| 20:37.42 | harleypig | http://bash.org/?739936 |
| 20:37.45 | brac | [QDB: Quote #739936] |
| 20:37.50 | bonez39 | how can I test an email acccount and server..to make sure it is mailing out correctly? |
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| 20:40.12 | QBFreak | bonez39: send email? |
| 20:40.58 | QBFreak | mheath: I feel your pain, I always owed money when I delivered pizza |
| 20:41.17 | bonez39 | QBFreak, ok...I send out email, but some recipients receive it and yet to some it errors out. |
| 20:41.56 | QBFreak | is this your own server, or an ISPs? |
| 20:42.03 | bonez39 | my own... |
| 20:42.23 | QBFreak | I never got my own to do anything, so you're already beyond me :) |
| 20:42.31 | bonez39 | I email out..some get it and some don't...one that doesn't get it is efax.com.... through which I fax everything |
| 20:49.14 | nick125_lappy | anyone here notice the winehq site is down? |
| 20:51.07 | harleypig | http://bash.org/?737035 |
| 20:51.08 | brac | [QDB: Quote #737035] |
| 20:51.22 | goozbach | harleypig: stop that |
| 20:51.30 | goozbach | I want to finish my work before I leave |
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| 20:53.15 | harleypig | work? what's that? |
| 20:54.25 | goozbach | that thing you do when you're productive |
| 20:59.40 | sontek | productive? I haven't been that in years... |
| 20:59.51 | goozbach | why, oh why, do I have to reboot to join a domain? |
| 20:59.57 | brac | oh why, do I get valid HTML |
| 21:00.20 | goozbach | brac: cause you work for the W3C |
| 21:02.36 | elg | harleypig: what fs? |
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| 21:16.10 | harleypig | elg: ? |
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| 21:25.20 | bonez39 | QBFreak, I have tested mutt several places now and it seems mutt isn't sending out to anyone,despite appearing to work.... |
| 21:28.16 | macnewbold | it's probably not mutt, but the server that mutt is handing things off to. |
| 21:37.44 | harleypig | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d1570_5007 |
| 21:37.45 | brac | [LiveLeak.com - Dont let this prostate exam happen to you.] |
| 21:39.56 | harleypig | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a26a262aab |
| 21:39.57 | brac | [LiveLeak.com - Autopsy Training..How to bring on a heart attack] |
| 21:40.12 | harleypig | Pranksters rig a corpse to move |
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| 21:43.10 | brasto | are list email's logged real time? |
| 21:43.21 | brasto | if so, where are they logged? |
| 21:43.42 | bonez39 | macnewbold, thus my question...how do I test my server.....exim4... |
| 21:44.44 | macnewbold | check the logs, they'll tell you if stuff is getting out or just getting queued up for later delivery |
| 21:44.54 | macnewbold | but I'm not familiar with exim |
| 21:45.19 | sjansen | Whoa, Plug just exploded. |
| 21:46.38 | levi | sjansen: You referring to all the message traffic? |
| 21:46.47 | macnewbold | not just your normal flamewar? |
| 21:46.48 | levi | There's not even a flame war going on, either. |
| 21:51.43 | harleypig | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c06_1173417733 |
| 21:51.43 | brac | [LiveLeak.com - Flexible Zlata the female contortionist] |
| 21:52.39 | findlay_ | stupid dell |
| 21:52.47 | findlay_ | they only sell computers with wista |
| 21:52.53 | findlay_ | ~lart dell |
| 21:53.14 | brasto | jbot, that was a weak lart |
| 21:53.26 | harleypig | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bb4_1173291374 |
| 21:53.27 | brac | [LiveLeak.com - Freak Accident Caught On Video] |
| 21:53.28 | harleypig | holy crap |
| 21:53.38 | brasto | ~lart dell |
| 21:53.44 | brasto | that's better |
| 21:54.52 | findlay_ | stupid dell |
| 21:54.54 | findlay_ | idiots |
| 22:01.10 | atoponce | anyone here familiar with audacity? |
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| 22:08.26 | herlo | atoponce: used it, love it |
| 22:17.13 | findlay | yeah. I watched herlo use it once. Looked like he loved it |
| 22:18.52 | herlo | ~lart findlay for being a nerd |
| 22:18.53 | tensai | atoponce: I've used it on occasion |
| 22:22.32 | atoponce | tensai: well, i'm having issues with clipping at high decibles. the audio recording is a little weak, so i'd like to amplify, but the noise really picks up as well |
| 22:22.52 | atoponce | removing the noise creates a tone like a tin can |
| 22:22.55 | atoponce | very metallic |
| 22:25.21 | findlay | so that device didn't work out so well? |
| 22:25.30 | findlay | did you try running it through a compressor? |
| 22:30.05 | atoponce | there is a compressor in audacity... haven't tried it, though |
| 22:30.12 | atoponce | it comes through fine, just a bit weak |
| 22:30.17 | atoponce | volume-wise |
| 22:30.43 | findlay | ah |
| 22:30.59 | findlay | digital amplification is always a low quality business |
| 22:31.10 | findlay | can you pre amp it at all? |
| 22:31.28 | findlay | but I guess it's already digital to begin with |
| 22:31.41 | brasto | jbot, dell is stupid for only selling PCs with Vista |
| 22:31.43 | atoponce | yeah |
| 22:32.06 | findlay | brasto: you mean ibot? |
| 22:32.24 | dataw0lf | speaking of Vista, anyone gotten vmware running on it? |
| 22:32.30 | dataw0lf | :\ |
| 22:32.45 | brasto | ah, yes... |
| 22:32.57 | brasto | ibot, dell is stupid for only selling PCs with Vista |
| 22:33.01 | ibot | ...but dell is already something else... |
| 22:33.23 | brasto | jbot, del is also stupid for only selling PCs with Vista |
| 22:33.36 | brasto | ibot, del is also stupid for only selling PCs with Vista |
| 22:33.37 | ibot | okay, brasto |
| 22:33.43 | brasto | ~del |
| 22:33.44 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, del is stupid for only selling PCs with Vista |
| 22:33.59 | brasto | doh spelled del wrong... |
| 22:34.02 | findlay | ~dell |
| 22:34.02 | ibot | Dude! Are you getting a Dell? |
| 22:34.06 | findlay | ~forget del |
| 22:34.07 | ibot | i forgot del, findlay |
| 22:34.22 | findlay | ibot: dell is also stupid for only selling PCs with Vista |
| 22:34.23 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 22:34.26 | findlay | ~dell |
| 22:34.27 | ibot | Dude! Are you getting a Dell?, or stupid for only selling PCs with Vista |
| 22:34.53 | findlay | ibot: Dude! I'm not getting any dells. Savvy? |
| 22:35.08 | Supaplex | no, more like dell is stupid for expecting the world out of their support line on day one. |
| 22:35.36 | findlay | heh |
| 22:37.02 | brasto | ibot, dell is also might be cooler if they start pre-packaging OpenOffice per the OpenOffice.org request sent to the CEO |
| 22:37.03 | ibot | brasto: okay |
| 22:37.08 | brasto | ~dell |
| 22:37.09 | ibot | Dude! Are you getting a Dell?, or stupid for only selling PCs with Vista, or might be cooler if they start pre-packaging OpenOffice per the OpenOffice.org request sent to the CEO |
| 22:38.14 | brasto | http://why.openoffice.org/documents/openlettertodell.pdf |
| 22:39.50 | brac | [Desktop Tower Defense] |
| 22:40.28 | findlay | how about that the top items in their customer survey were all about Linux options and preloading with Linux? |
| 22:44.37 | brasto | findlay, you mean the Dell survey? |
| 22:44.38 | findlay | http://www.dellideastorm.com/ |
| 22:44.52 | brasto | yea, and adding OpenOffice.org |
| 22:46.37 | findlay | 8 of the first 9 have to do with Linux or OSS |
| 23:00.00 | atoponce | unum: i'd like to have bruce come to an inter-lug conference instead of utos, no offense |
| 23:00.21 | atoponce | but utos is charging for attendance, and i'd rather see him speak where attendees can attend for free |
| 23:03.44 | brasto | this was in the email I got from the OpenOffice newsletter: |
| 23:03.48 | brasto | In an open letter released today, the OpenOffice.org community invites Michael Dell to work with them to pre-install OpenOffice.org 2 office software on Dell computers. Dell's own IdeaStorm website has recorded an overwhelming customer demand for this feature, currently showing over 70,000 requests for OpenOffice.org 2. |
| 23:04.26 | brasto | The OpenOffice.org community is the home of the leading free software competitor to Microsoft's Office suite. The letter claims that OpenOffice.org 2 software and Dell hardware make a perfect match, sharing identical values of delivering high quality at unbeatable value. |
| 23:04.58 | brasto | I like the "high quality at unbeatable value" part. |
| 23:05.17 | brasto | let me think... $400 or $0... |
| 23:06.24 | findlay | atoponce: yeah |
| 23:06.38 | findlay | although we could *pay* him to come to UTOS |
| 23:06.46 | findlay | I bet he'd come |
| 23:07.27 | findlay | to both |
| 23:08.10 | unum | atoponce: then you should organize the inter-lug conference |
| 23:08.42 | unum | not like I've ever *really* planned one |
| 23:08.48 | findlay | if atoponce is the organizer, I'll help too |
| 23:09.07 | findlay | just make sure to ping Jayce^ and Mecworks |
| 23:09.14 | findlay | Jayce^: ping |
| 23:09.36 | herlo | atoponce: is that why you aren't helping Utah Open Source Conference? Because its a fee? |
| 23:09.37 | unum | the big question is where are you going to have it |
| 23:09.49 | findlay | in my apartment |
| 23:10.05 | unum | I'm sure we could book that with our budget.... |
| 23:10.17 | unum | herlo: where are you going to hold it? |
| 23:10.27 | unum | that was the big issue with our forums |
| 23:10.49 | unum | people wanted us to move them down here, but no one would talk to the U about conference rooms |
| 23:10.55 | herlo | unum: http://www.wvc-ut.gov/CulturalCenter/virtualtour.cfm |
| 23:10.56 | herlo | here |
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| 23:11.36 | unum | does wvc charge for that? |
| 23:12.24 | herlo | unum: yes, and its a high price, but we've negotiated other things for it... trouble is, we still have to fund future events as well. Nothing comes for free. I'd love to to a conference for nothing, just I can't see how.... |
| 23:12.46 | herlo | If we work it right, the CCC will be free, but we need a ton of help pulling it off... |
| 23:13.00 | unum | the fslc forums were all free |
| 23:13.04 | findlay | herlo: I don't think free is important, or even ideal |
| 23:13.09 | herlo | and then there's the advertising costs and other things... |
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| 23:13.23 | herlo | findlay: I agree... |
| 23:13.29 | unum | but the usu cs department kicked in about $600 |
| 23:13.44 | findlay | just as long as it's not a rip off |
| 23:13.51 | unum | I think we spend most of that on advertising |
| 23:14.07 | unum | s/spend/spent |
| 23:14.13 | herlo | I am working with all of the Special Interest Groups (SIGs) in Utah that (want to) use Open Source to provide discounts to members... |
| 23:14.37 | herlo | SIGs would include LUGs, Programming Groups, Business Groups, Educaional Groups, etc.... |
| 23:14.56 | unum | why does fslc always get left out... |
| 23:14.58 | findlay | and PETA |
| 23:15.03 | unum | just because we're near idaho |
| 23:15.07 | nick125_lappy | Some people need go back and learn geography..this one guy today said that California was touching texas .. |
| 23:15.12 | unum | doesn't mean we aren't in Utah |
| 23:15.14 | herlo | unum: I have no intention of leaving fslc out |
| 23:15.44 | findlay | unum: it has to do with the cow count in the Logan area. Just reduce the bovine numbers and you'll be included |
| 23:16.00 | unum | herlo: you said " I am working with" that implies present tense :) |
| 23:16.03 | herlo | in fact, we've sent them several emails about it to the lists at fslc, plus we've got one of our guys on the core organizational team getting ready to contact fslc, and USU as well... |
| 23:16.15 | unum | oh ok :) |
| 23:16.19 | herlo | unum, true |
| 23:16.25 | unum | though I haven't seen anything on the lists |
| 23:16.27 | herlo | I did say "working with" because we are |
| 23:16.46 | unum | though you may have sent it to officers@fslc.usu.edu which no longer includes me |
| 23:17.11 | findlay | man I'm hungry |
| 23:17.19 | findlay | and I missed out on that good lunch :( |
| 23:17.30 | herlo | hmm, that's strange, you should have seen at least a call for papers and an introduction several months ago.. We're still looking for help and we have weekly meetings in IRC. Once a month we get together at PLUG and usually try to have one other dinner meeting... |
| 23:17.52 | herlo | unum: not sure, I can check where the mail was sent, is there a better place? |
| 23:18.03 | unum | if it was several months ago I probably forgot, but again it was the presence tense that threw me :) |
| 23:18.29 | unum | if you want the general membership it should go to fslc@fslc.usu.edu |
| 23:18.50 | herlo | unum: cool, hang on I'll check |
| 23:21.03 | *** part/#utah harleypig (n=harleypi@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 23:23.36 | herlo | unum: he sent it to announce, which apparently was returned. He said he'll send it to the address you just gave, thanx |
| 23:24.37 | unum | ya annonced is restricted. the address I gave is filtered(by a human) |
| 23:24.41 | unum | I think. |
| 23:24.51 | unum | if it gets returned again let me know and I'll post it |
| 23:25.12 | herlo | unum, cool. tx |
| 23:25.23 | herlo | unum: how long have you been involved with fslc? |
| 23:29.13 | unum | since 2001 |
| 23:29.30 | unum | I'm actually in salt lake now, but am still in touch with the current leadership |
| 23:31.04 | unum | hmmm looks like our website is down |
| 23:31.10 | unum | our irc server is still up |
| 23:32.54 | bonez39 | hmmm my mail server is down.... anyone clever with mutt/exim4?? |
| 23:33.27 | herlo | unum: cool, I am moving to slc in a few months as well. maybe we'll see each other at a sllug meeting or something sometime... |
| 23:33.38 | bonez39 | it seems I can RECEIVE my email into mutt OK but just can't email OUT from mutt |
| 23:34.01 | Lone_Wanderer | What editor is it using? |
| 23:34.14 | Lone_Wanderer | I think it defaults to your shell's editor. |
| 23:36.18 | atoponce | herlo: i haven't been helping, because i am too busy at the moment to be of any help. i'd just be sand in everyone's shoes |
| 23:37.04 | herlo | atoponce: understandable, we'll take the help we can get though... |
| 23:37.06 | atoponce | unum: findlay: herlo: i have no problem organizing the inter-lug conference with bruce, if i can get some helping hands from the various lugs |
| 23:37.23 | atoponce | i won't be able to do it alone, that's for sure |
| 23:37.25 | unum | atoponce: where are you going to hold it |
| 23:37.39 | atoponce | unum: probably should hold it in slc, i would think |
| 23:37.45 | atoponce | good central location for everyone |
| 23:37.48 | unum | so the U? |
| 23:38.11 | atoponce | that would work, if they are willing to do something like that |
| 23:38.18 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, I have it use vim |
| 23:38.37 | atoponce | sorry for the late response, but i have been getting the media files from today's conference in order- |
| 23:38.41 | Lone_Wanderer | That's always worked for me. |
| 23:38.50 | unum | atoponce: that's why I bring it up. fslc was never able to get someone to help schedule it on the U campus |
| 23:39.45 | atoponce | unum: i don't have any connections on the U at all, so if someone can point me in the right direction... |
| 23:40.07 | unum | every non-campus location is cost prohibitive |
| 23:40.15 | unum | atoponce: you should contact the slug president |
| 23:40.21 | atoponce | unum: agreed |
| 23:40.30 | atoponce | unum: who is the sllug pres? |
| 23:41.19 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, despite the editor my mutt install uses.....I get mail in but nothing seems to go out.... |
| 23:42.19 | unum | atoponce: that's a good question.... mark seems to be in charge |
| 23:43.07 | herlo | atoponce: let's see if we can't get him for UTOS and make that specific keynote free or something? |
| 23:43.11 | c85work | In other news; Gov. Huntsman signed the bill to convert UVSC to UVU by July 2008 |
| 23:43.20 | c85work | hooray! |
| 23:44.08 | atoponce | herlo: i'm game for that |
| 23:44.45 | herlo | atoponce: then lets plan it that way. I'd like to invite everyone to an event like that, it'll probably drive people to the rest of the conference.... |
| 23:45.29 | atoponce | ok. if it's free, i'm game. he was very willing to come do a conference to our lugs, and i'd hate to alienate people because of cost overhead |
| 23:45.42 | atoponce | herlo: how confident are you on utos executing? |
| 23:46.01 | herlo | what do you mean? |
| 23:46.04 | bonez39 | c85work, I am sure that will create huge changes...but am curious which the biggest will be? |
| 23:46.17 | dataw0lf | herlo: I could get Kaminsky to give a talk at UTOS, btw |
| 23:46.26 | dataw0lf | he's doing some really mean TCP/IP magic, yet again |
| 23:46.27 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, any other ideas? |
| 23:46.45 | herlo | dataw0lf: have him submit an abstract... |
| 23:46.51 | atoponce | herlo: scale of 1 to 10, 10 absolutely likely, how would you rate utos going through with it? will it happen or not? |
| 23:46.51 | dataw0lf | alright |
| 23:47.06 | dataw0lf | I guarantee if you get Kaminsky, your attendance will double ;-) |
| 23:47.12 | Lone_Wanderer | bonez39: I'm not super familiar with mutt. Can you tail the mail log while you try to send one to see if it even gets into your mail-sender-thinger? |
| 23:47.14 | herlo | atoponce: 7. I am pretty confident it will happen |
| 23:47.24 | Lone_Wanderer | who's Kaminsky? |
| 23:47.25 | herlo | dataw0lf: lets do it! |
| 23:47.34 | dataw0lf | alright |
| 23:47.42 | dataw0lf | you ever met kaminsky before? kid's crazy. |
| 23:47.46 | atoponce | herlo: i ask, because if we email him giving him the details, i'd hate to cancel |
| 23:47.53 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't even know who he is. |
| 23:48.07 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: http://www.doxpara.com/ |
| 23:48.17 | Lone_Wanderer | s. |
| 23:48.21 | dataw0lf | dude, Dan Kaminsky. Craziest awesomest hacker ever. |
| 23:48.25 | dataw0lf | also, a drunkard. |
| 23:48.32 | dataw0lf | which is probably why he's my friend |
| 23:48.53 | herlo | atoponce: who? |
| 23:49.13 | atoponce | herlo: bruce perens |
| 23:49.41 | atoponce | he would be an excellent fit for that conference, though |
| 23:49.44 | herlo | atoponce: oh, right, sorry switching to swap isn't fast enough |
| 23:49.50 | herlo | atoponce: agreed |
| 23:50.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey, what's this? Something in #utah being planned at a location I could actually attend? |
| 23:50.05 | herlo | dataw0lf: who |
| 23:50.10 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: check out his map of the internet http://www.doxpara.com/pics/index.php?album=maps%2F&pic=router_sniff.PNG |
| 23:50.12 | herlo | dataw0lf: who'd come? |
| 23:50.28 | atoponce | ok. i'm getting back to my media files, getting it ready for slashdot |
| 23:50.37 | herlo | dataw0lf: woudl you? |
| 23:50.38 | atoponce | unum: can you write the slashdot article? |
| 23:50.45 | brac | can you search and replace it with unicorns and ponies. 'Cause I bet the DOH isn't forcing that yet! |
| 23:50.54 | dataw0lf | herlo: if Kaminsky came to UTOS, I guarantee every sec guy in the northern hemisphere would make an appearance |
| 23:50.59 | dataw0lf | herlo: I'm coming anyway |
| 23:51.04 | herlo | dataw0lf: cool |
| 23:51.34 | dataw0lf | you should go to Blackhat |
| 23:51.52 | herlo | dataw0lf: I should! |
| 23:52.01 | herlo | dataw0lf: I would be lost probably though.... |
| 23:52.14 | dataw0lf | nah |
| 23:52.34 | dataw0lf | it's the NSA, FBI, CIA and every major corporation, and then all the really hardcore hackers |
| 23:52.59 | dataw0lf | I'm going this year |
| 23:53.15 | dataw0lf | just because I may be giving a talk with Kaminsky on some cool stuff we've been working on |
| 23:53.24 | Lone_Wanderer | The world needs more high-brow comedy. |
| 23:53.24 | herlo | dataw0lf: cool |
| 23:54.08 | dataw0lf | herlo: and if you go to DefCon afterwards, you have a 100% chance of getting drunk! |
| 23:54.10 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: What was that comment in regard to? |
| 23:54.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Jack Black and Will Ferrel singing at the Oscars. |
| 23:54.59 | herlo | dataw0lf: I have 100% chance of doing that at any bar I go to anyway.... |
| 23:55.44 | dataw0lf | herlo: for free |
| 23:55.49 | Lone_Wanderer | It made me rethink Ferrel's comedic talent. Specifically, I think he might have some now. |
| 23:56.00 | herlo | dataw0lf: and? |
| 23:56.18 | dataw0lf | and hot hacker women? |
| 23:56.45 | herlo | dataw0lf: okay, I can do that... |
| 23:56.49 | herlo | ;) |
| 23:56.51 | dataw0lf | exactly |
| 23:56.52 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 23:57.45 | herlo | dataw0lf: I think we'll be having a big pow-wow tomorrow night at 7:30 in #utos to discuss some of the keynotes we want. it sounds like we've got some promising speakers now... |
| 23:58.02 | dataw0lf | alright, I'll jump on there. |
| 23:58.03 | unum | atoponce: sure, is it on your blog yet? |
| 23:58.24 | herlo | dataw0lf: cool... |
| 23:58.29 | atoponce | not yet. i'll let you know |
| 23:58.30 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: Did you ever find out when that guy's birthday party is, and by extension when we can Hack the Desert? |
| 23:58.39 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: yes and no |
| 23:58.46 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: we're still organizing it, my friend |
| 23:58.51 | atoponce | unum: mike is putting it on reddit too. we just need someone to put it on digg, and we're rolling |
| 23:58.52 | dataw0lf | you will be the first to know |
| 23:59.02 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 23:59.03 | dataw0lf | meaning, 'we're' as in, 'tierra' is still organizing it |
| 23:59.05 | dataw0lf | or he better be |
| 23:59.08 | dataw0lf | let me call him |
| 23:59.49 | herlo | atoponce: where's the post, I can add it to digg |
