| 00:03.21 | findlay | tene: did you check lshw or otherwise sysfs to see if it's not there? |
| 00:12.44 | findlay | is it possible to use mod_rewrite to redirect a root url: http://example.com/ http://example.com/not-root/? |
| 00:13.30 | findlay | if I try: 'Redirect / http://example.com/not-root/' it goes into an infinite loop |
| 00:15.24 | sjansen | http://archive.eiffel.com/doc/manuals/technology/bmarticles/uml/page.html |
| 00:16.47 | sjansen | tene: Fiddle with the BIOS settings. Most likely, the BIOS is hiding the drive from Linux. That fact that Win98 _can_ see it leads me to believe this is almost certainly the case. |
| 00:17.15 | sjansen | I'm betting the BIOS has some sort of "compatibility" or "IDE emulation" option turned on. |
| 00:18.27 | sjansen | elg is right, PATA on SATA on Linux is a generally bad idea. |
| 00:19.06 | sjansen | ~lart CUPS |
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| 00:25.21 | sjansen | ~hug gnucash |
| 00:26.32 | findlay | so does anybody have any ideas? Or links? |
| 00:26.55 | findlay | I can redirect /duh/ to /test/, but not / to /test/? |
| 00:28.08 | emcnabb | ~hug gnucash |
| 00:28.22 | findlay | ~bug gnucash |
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| 00:32.08 | sontek | findlay: there is a last command you need to throw in there so it doesn't go into an infinite loop |
| 00:32.55 | findlay | sontek: [R]? |
| 00:33.10 | sontek | do [RL] |
| 00:33.13 | sontek | (l for last) |
| 00:33.42 | findlay | I can't seem to find any documentation on the trailing [] stuff |
| 00:34.19 | sontek | they trailing stuff are just called flags |
| 00:34.27 | sontek | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_rewrite.html look under the flags section there |
| 00:34.29 | brac | [Apache module mod_rewrite] |
| 00:35.47 | sontek | ~lart brac |
| 00:36.45 | findlay | [RL] doesn't work for me. I still get the loop |
| 00:42.46 | findlay | weird |
| 00:42.46 | findlay | I had it working before, but I can't seem to get it to work now |
| 00:45.00 | mheath | Hmm, time for a little half-life before going to sleep. |
| 00:57.22 | sontek | with 5 drives 80gb os, 300gb, 400gb, 2x120gb what would you guys think is the best raid/lvm setup? |
| 00:57.45 | sontek | (the 2 120gb are on a hardware raid card, they are the only 2 ide drives, rest are sata) |
| 01:01.34 | sjansen | sontek: the question is too generic, I'd have to have an idea of how the system was going to be used |
| 01:02.26 | sontek | Its going to be my fileserver, so for the most part movies/mp3s but I'll also have subversion code stored on it |
| 01:02.28 | sjansen | As far as generic advice goes, if you've got quality hardware RAID, use it. If it's cheap (winmodem style) hardware RAID, you'd be better off using Linux software RAID. |
| 01:03.20 | ScytheBlade1 | heh @ "winmodem style" |
| 01:03.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm going to use that in the future |
| 01:03.32 | sjansen | As far as filesystems, my person favorite for moves & music is XFS. |
| 01:05.11 | sontek | is mixing software and hardware ok or would you keep it all in one or the other? |
| 01:05.25 | sontek | because the sata drives will have to be done via linux software |
| 01:05.31 | sontek | I only have hardware raid for the IDE |
| 01:05.54 | sjansen | Personally, I'd be inclined to put SVN on the RAIDed 120's. Movies and movies on an LVM VG consisting of the 300 & 400. Use the 80 for sneaker net trading files with friends. |
| 01:06.55 | tensai | mixing software and hardware raid only causes maintenance confusion, but it should technically work ok |
| 01:07.21 | sjansen | I'm not sure what you mean by "mixing software and hardware". If you mean building a software array on top of a hardware array, I wouldn't recommend it. Either your hardware is good enough to do everything, or you should use software for everything. |
| 01:07.25 | tensai | software raid and lvm account for a very negligible amount of overhead |
| 01:08.01 | tensai | well, I mean having some drives on a hardware raid and some on software. I wouldn't combine them for a single volume. |
| 01:08.02 | sjansen | whereas bad hardware raid have very noticeable overhead |
| 01:08.55 | sjansen | BTW, I'm assuming RAID 1 for the 120's. |
| 01:09.14 | sontek | yeah, I think thats what i'm going to do |
| 01:09.17 | sontek | thanks :) |
| 01:09.27 | tensai | poor RAID 2 and RAID 3 never get any respect |
| 01:09.32 | sontek | (raid1 120s via hardware) and then just lv the 300 and 400 |
| 01:10.27 | sjansen | and raid 6? everyone just assumes raid 6 is a myth |
| 01:12.39 | tensai | ~raid 6 is a myth |
| 01:12.41 | ibot | tensai: okay |
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| 05:29.40 | rsimpkins | Man I am major let down with Debian. |
| 05:29.52 | findlay | ha |
| 05:29.55 | rsimpkins | I started with Debian 2.3, but this latest stuff is just horrific. |
| 05:29.56 | findlay | guess what? |
| 05:30.04 | rsimpkins | debian 1.3 |
| 05:30.25 | findlay | Bruce Perens replied to my email and he top posted :) |
| 05:30.33 | rsimpkins | findlay: right on. |
| 05:30.45 | rsimpkins | findlay: which e-mail is that? |
| 05:31.12 | findlay | I emailed him about his anti brainshare press conference |
| 05:31.19 | findlay | in SLC Monday |
| 05:31.39 | rsimpkins | I guess I'm out of the loop with that scene. |
| 05:31.53 | findlay | I saw something about it in one of my feeds |
| 05:32.23 | findlay | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6368/1/ |
| 05:32.25 | brac | [LinuxPlanet - Reports - Novell BrainShare 2007 Preview - Microsoft Plans To Be There, Sun Doesn't, Perens Will Be Across The Street] |
| 05:33.43 | rsimpkins | Yeah, I'm not feeling the love from Novell. They are sending some awefully strange mixed signals. |
| 05:35.10 | rsimpkins | So it is this Monday then? |
| 05:39.37 | nick125_lappy | "Hey, we love open-source, but, we're just going to sleep with the devil" |
| 05:40.09 | rsimpkins | It isn't even that obvious. i wish it were. |
| 05:40.20 | rsimpkins | What they are doing is trying to server two masters. |
| 05:40.35 | rsimpkins | What happens when you try to serve two masters? |
| 05:44.56 | findlay | heh |
| 05:45.39 | findlay | Monday's day 1 of brainshare |
| 05:47.13 | rsimpkins | findlay: Can you pretty please post details about this to the PLUG list? |
| 05:47.19 | rsimpkins | findlay: time, place, links, etc? |
| 05:47.29 | rsimpkins | findlay: It would be helpful to have a solid debate about it at least. |
| 05:47.35 | findlay | sure |
| 05:48.43 | findlay | I don't enjoy engaging in personal attacks, but I like to understand what's really going on |
| 05:49.27 | rsimpkins | findlay: I don't think expressing local concern about Novell's business practices a personal attack, do you? |
| 05:51.55 | findlay | no, but I like to stay away from it as much as possible |
| 05:53.19 | rsimpkins | findlay: And I agree, I don't enjoy it either. But there is this funny statment that I've found to be true: "The squeeky wheel gets the grease." |
| 06:08.19 | findlay | rsimpkins: done |
| 06:11.11 | rsimpkins | findlay: Thanks a bunch. So he is calling it a 'conference' then? |
| 06:11.25 | rsimpkins | oh, just a press conference. |
| 06:11.42 | rsimpkins | Sorry, didn't catch the full meaning there --- must be the pain killer. |
| 06:11.53 | findlay | "Perens to rain on Novell's parade" |
| 06:12.01 | findlay | I tried to tone it down a little :) |
| 06:12.36 | rsimpkins | I think "Perens to share his brain" would have been more clever. ;) |
| 06:13.02 | findlay | rsimpkins: maybe you should be his new publicity consultant :) |
| 06:15.17 | nick125_lappy | wow ... HSN is selling a gazebo |
| 06:15.29 | nick125_lappy | its $199.95, and the shipping is $100.95 |
| 06:17.34 | findlay | that's what I always wanted |
| 06:17.41 | findlay | can you live in a gazebo? |
| 06:18.01 | nick125_lappy | I guess you could if you wanted |
| 06:18.06 | nick125_lappy | but, you could also live in a cardboard box |
| 06:30.30 | cbrown | Holy Short Notice Batman! re: Bruce Perens. |
| 06:32.23 | findlay | yeah |
| 06:32.32 | findlay | and I saw it this morning |
| 06:33.32 | cbrown | I assume Bob Mims from the Tribune knows? |
| 06:33.55 | findlay | you'd be able to guess that better than I (: |
| 06:34.32 | cbrown | I'll email him and Bryce from the Des News just to be sure. |
| 06:34.41 | findlay | good idea |
| 06:41.15 | cbrown | Sent. |
| 07:52.41 | nick125_lappy | Hmm..I think I locked up firefox by changing the GTK theme |
| 08:01.52 | nick125_lappy | The wells fargo IVR lies. It says that the hold time is 3 minutes, about 5 minutes ago! |
| 08:37.33 | nick125_lappy | lovely. Bank of America's site says that they are open 24x7 for opening a new account, but, I call in, and they are closed. Fun. |
| 08:39.00 | tene | nick125_lappy: it's your business what you do with furries in your private life, but this is a family friendly channel, as I recall |
| 08:39.03 | tene | ;) |
| 08:39.14 | nick125_lappy | fury |
| 08:39.15 | nick125_lappy | bleh |
| 08:39.51 | tene | And I had a conversation earlier today where I talked about disliking it when people commented on my typing errors. |
| 08:40.04 | tene | That was quite hypocritical of me. |
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| 12:48.27 | mheath_ | Hmm |
| 12:48.33 | mheath_ | Verizon does not cash checks properly. |
| 12:48.41 | mheath_ | They use the info on the checks to electronically debit your account |
| 15:23.24 | harleypig | Is it possible for a file to be somehow changed when moving across filesystem types? |
| 15:23.47 | harleypig | Like from a fat to a ext3 to a fat filesystem? |
| 16:17.26 | mheath_ | harleypig, as in, altered contents? |
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| 17:29.07 | mheath | Ugh |
| 17:29.21 | mheath | There is nothing in this world more irritating than listening to someone else eat cereal. |
| 17:43.46 | mheath | I'm still trying to find a good money management program :( |
| 17:44.03 | mheath | Microsoft Money seems to be exactly what I want, except for theh minor detail that it does not work. |
| 17:45.31 | emcnabb | ~hug gnucash |
| 17:45.32 | mheath | GNU Cash is very powerful, but not as helpful or as friendly as what I'm looking for |
| 17:45.47 | mheath | It really just does really advanced account reconnciliation and reports |
| 17:46.22 | mheath | I'm looking for budgeting features, and simpler but full-featured account reconciliation. |
| 17:47.26 | mheath | I was thinking it was some glitch on my end / with Money |
| 17:47.36 | mheath | But I think its a problem with their online backend |
| 17:47.59 | mheath | Because even if I try to import account data in MSN Money (which uses the same online backend) on their website, it always gives the same kind of errors. |
| 17:48.41 | emcnabb | yeah, I guess it just depends what you're looking for. Gnucash has worked great for the last 3 years |
| 17:48.48 | emcnabb | but that's just my situation |
| 17:49.09 | mheath | My finances are very simple, really |
| 17:49.18 | mheath | especially considering I have very few actual bills |
| 17:49.31 | emcnabb | then gnucash should work fine |
| 17:49.40 | emcnabb | mine aren't extremely complex either |
| 17:49.58 | emcnabb | but use whatever is best for you |
| 17:50.59 | mheath | emcnabb: Do you by chance subscribe to Netflix? |
| 17:51.38 | emcnabb | mheath: I don't; I know they have a distribution center here in NC (not sure about SC), so it's quick |
| 17:51.47 | emcnabb | someone in my ward is subscribed |
| 17:53.16 | mheath | Be right back, time to reboot (isn't windows fun?) |
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| 18:59.39 | tyler_ | How's everyone today |
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| 19:05.43 | tyler_ | ABC Mandarin is really good stuff |
| 19:36.56 | mheath | Indeed it is :( |
| 19:37.37 | tyler_ | I'm a little confused. You agreed in words but not in emoticon. |
| 19:37.47 | tyler_ | I like it. |
| 19:38.05 | mheath | Hah. The :( was for me being thousands of miles away from said ABC Mandarin restraunt. |
| 19:38.18 | tyler_ | Ahh, I see. Where are you at? |
| 19:38.42 | mheath | Charleston South Carolina. |
| 19:39.21 | mheath | Or, more specifically, Goose Creek, SC. Or, more specifically, Naval Weapons Station, Charleston. Or, more specifically, Naval Nuclear Power Training Command. :) |
| 19:39.48 | tyler_ | :) |
| 19:40.00 | tyler_ | Yeah, I'm sure the Mandarin around your way is contaminated. |
| 19:40.20 | mheath | Hey. Thats civilian nuclear reactors. |
| 19:40.30 | mheath | USN has never had any safety issues with their reactors. |
| 19:40.56 | mheath | Heh, interesting fact too: |
| 19:41.15 | mheath | I'm going to be working in a reactor, but obviously not _IN_ _THE_ reactor itself |
| 19:41.36 | mheath | For me: I'd get more radiation exposure by being outside in the sun than I will working in the reactor plant. |
| 19:41.53 | tyler_ | Hmm. |
| 19:42.12 | tyler_ | Sounds like the Marlboro marketing team got a gig with your outfit |
| 19:42.31 | mheath | tyler_, No. They insanely overtrain us here. |
| 19:42.39 | mheath | Specifically because they never want a safety related incident |
| 19:42.45 | tyler_ | Fair nuff. |
| 19:42.48 | mheath | They never have had one, they do not want one. |
| 19:43.13 | tyler_ | I don't now that anyone ever really wanted one |
| 19:43.15 | tyler_ | it just happened |
| 19:43.26 | mheath | But not to us :) |
| 19:43.50 | mheath | We're the only authority in the world with nuclear power that has never had one nuclear-related incident |
| 19:43.54 | brac | We're the phone company every month? GET SPEAKEASY VOIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" |
| 19:43.55 | mheath | erm |
| 19:44.02 | mheath | *never had no nuclear-related incidents |
| 19:44.20 | mheath | brac, Quiet you. |
| 19:46.27 | mheath | bah, I can't think |
| 19:46.37 | mheath | I got that sentence correct the first time |
| 19:46.50 | mheath | Glanced at it, thought it was wrong, and butchered an attempt at correcting it. |
| 19:46.50 | tyler_ | s/one/a |
| 19:47.19 | mheath | We speaks good english!!! |
| 19:47.20 | tyler_ | the grammar is off |
| 19:47.35 | tyler_ | you never had ONE incident |
| 19:47.37 | tyler_ | but you had two |
| 19:47.40 | tyler_ | :D |
| 19:47.45 | mheath | Bah. |
| 19:47.58 | mheath | No, leave that up to the Army |
| 19:48.26 | mheath | I was going to relate a rather humerous story related to the Army. Then I realized it was told to me in a classified class :( |
| 19:48.30 | mheath | Sorry, no stories, children. |
| 19:49.18 | tyler_ | I actually stepped away anyways, so it would have been wasted on me anywho |
| 19:54.18 | mheath | There is this interesting and entirely unrelated wikipedia article, though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SL-1 |
| 19:54.53 | mheath | Which is not very funny, but leaves the reader wondering why the Army designed the reactor that required manual by-hand control-rod movement. |
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| 21:02.43 | thesuperbigfrog | -chat blarg |
| 21:02.43 | brac | blarg did |
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| 23:12.08 | findlay | -chat calvarez |
| 23:12.09 | brac | calvarez is |
| 23:14.30 | findlay | -chat is |
| 23:14.30 | brac | is did |
| 23:14.34 | findlay | -chat |
| 23:14.35 | brac | it is in use, exiting |
| 23:18.42 | mheath | Does that mean the -chat feature is exiting? |
| 23:18.47 | mheath | I don't think we're that lucky. |
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