| 00:01.16 | findlay | ~ham |
| 00:01.18 | ibot | somebody said ham was oink oink |
| 00:02.11 | tene | ~oink |
| 00:02.12 | ibot | well, oink is the sound Ned Beatty makes when being sodomized by hillbillies |
| 00:05.53 | findlay | ibot: oink is onomatopoeia for "Obviously you didn't calibrate the lateral phase stabilzers correctly because we're heading towards a giant bananna!" |
| 00:05.54 | ibot | ...but oink is already something else... |
| 00:05.59 | findlay | ibot: no oink is onomatopoeia for "Obviously you didn't calibrate the lateral phase stabilzers correctly because we're heading towards a giant bananna!" |
| 00:06.00 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 00:08.05 | findlay | ~okay tene |
| 00:08.06 | ibot | methinks tene is Tenebram, or the king of pirate, or my god, or chocolate frosted sugar bombs, or a liar, or more winningish than goozbach, or evil, or the ML master |
| 00:08.32 | findlay | I wish I were the ML master |
| 00:08.45 | findlay | -chat about ML master |
| 00:08.45 | brac | ML master |
| 00:08.54 | findlay | boring |
| 00:19.40 | findlay | -chat |
| 00:19.40 | brac | wewt...im getting back in soon enough. |
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| 01:39.46 | brailsmt_ | anyone know how to make a telnet client echo '*' instead of the chars typed? |
| 01:40.18 | brailsmt_ | is that even possible? |
| 02:10.34 | QBFreak | I don't believe you can if local echo is enabled |
| 02:11.08 | QBFreak | if you want to mask things the server needs to handle the echoing and the client turns local echo off |
| 02:13.21 | brailsmt_ | i know telnet != secure in any sense of the word, but I am not worried about real security, i just don't want the passwds echo'd on the client... |
| 02:17.17 | tensai | stty -echo |
| 02:23.23 | brailsmt_ | tensai: which is all fine an dandy locally, but i'm doing the socket communication, and stty isn't for sockets... |
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| 02:24.21 | QBFreak | brailsmt_: I'd suggest requiring Local Echo to be off on the client and doing all echoing yourself, then you can control what does and does not appear |
| 02:24.42 | brailsmt_ | yeah, i'm looking at the RFC's now, thx for the tip |
| 02:25.06 | QBFreak | np |
| 02:25.23 | QBFreak | it looks like linux telnet defaults to local echo on, I know windows defaults it off |
| 02:25.38 | QBFreak | and the hoops one must jump through to get it on are crazy |
| 02:25.59 | brailsmt_ | well windows sucks in general... |
| 02:26.04 | QBFreak | heh |
| 02:26.37 | QBFreak | oh wait, local echo isn't hard to keep on, its the crlf that resets on connect |
| 02:27.26 | QBFreak | so you have to connect, hit the escape key, enable it at the propmt, and then return to your session |
| 02:27.33 | QBFreak | that was a change in XP or one of the other NT based releases |
| 02:27.50 | brailsmt_ | here's a fun MS dilemna... my place of employment is a health IT software company, well we have been using VS6, and apparently we have to be early adopters for vista... problem: VS is not supported on Vista, result: we suddenly find our race car ran out of road a few miles back, and we're sort of in limob now... whee!!!! |
| 02:28.27 | brailsmt_ | and we have to go to vista, starting uhm last week.. |
| 02:28.29 | brailsmt_ | whee.... |
| 02:28.32 | QBFreak | no Visual Studio on Vista at all? or just not VS6? |
| 02:28.43 | brailsmt_ | VS6, its all .net now |
| 02:28.49 | QBFreak | oh right |
| 02:29.00 | QBFreak | I should remember this, I used VB.NET once |
| 02:29.07 | brailsmt_ | i'll just ssh to my ubuntu box which I "acquired" and work on it :) |
| 02:29.41 | brailsmt_ | thankfully, I do all backend stuff, so its AIX/HPUX and OpenVMS (ugh) for me... |
| 02:30.03 | brailsmt_ | anyway... vendor lock in with MS is such good business for the consumer... |
| 02:30.06 | QBFreak | I'm trying to reduce my dependance on MS, finally got my other box stable enough to run Fedora Core (or anything for that matter) |
| 02:30.49 | brailsmt_ | yeah, well we are moving all our VS6 stuff to Java, of course, you don't invest billions of dollars into a software and then rewrite it in a years time... |
| 02:31.05 | QBFreak | I still havn't gotten sound working, but I need the windows box for some of my odd bits of hardware anyway |
| 02:31.39 | brailsmt_ | i just blissfully keep programming with vim on AIX in screen on bash... it almost feels like linux, if only i had the GNU utilities... |
| 02:31.47 | QBFreak | heh |
| 02:32.36 | QBFreak | I'm kinda curious if there's a free (as in no cost) OS with GNU utilities for things like my 8088, Kaypro or Apple IIc |
| 02:32.41 | brailsmt_ | i love this workflow: tar xzvf^?^?^?vf foo.tar.gz | gunzip -c - |
| 02:33.15 | QBFreak | heh |
| 02:34.48 | brailsmt_ | or ksh: $ls /usr/lib/somereally<tab><mild expletive>^?longdirectorynamethatshouldbeshortend/ |
| 02:35.09 | brailsmt_ | oh the fun i have... |
| 02:35.10 | QBFreak | no tab completion would make me cry too |
| 02:41.21 | QBFreak | so much for my project, now I seem to be looking for alt-OSes for my old hardware :) |
| 02:53.40 | tensai | gnu++ |
| 02:54.03 | brailsmt_ | ms-- |
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| 03:23.27 | calvarez | hello |
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| 03:34.49 | lukfugl | -lart vontrapp |
| 05:03.17 | findlay | ~lexmark ibot |
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| 05:22.12 | findlay | does anybody even still use dosemu? |
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| 05:23.38 | findlay | oh well. All I'd do with it is run old dos games and waste lots of time |
| 05:24.29 | findlay | did you can run Windows(R) 3.0 in DOSEmu? |
| 05:24.41 | findlay | s/you/you know/ |
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| 05:52.51 | sontek | ~lart zerdith |
| 06:06.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Is anyone here familiar with installing Windows? |
| 06:08.34 | findlay | I installed windows once |
| 06:08.45 | findlay | ~haha |
| 06:08.48 | ibot | I call that haha |
| 06:08.50 | Lone_Wanderer | ~rimshot |
| 06:08.50 | ibot | ch-ch-chhh |
| 06:08.52 | findlay | ~ha |
| 06:08.53 | ibot | Sugar: scotch on the rocks |
| 06:08.57 | findlay | ~hahaha |
| 06:08.58 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, hahaha is http://www.shacknews.com//screens.x/iotd//5/thumbs/bsodirony.jpg Win 98 Increased Dependability...NOT |
| 06:09.00 | brac | [Shacknews - Screenshots] |
| 06:09.04 | findlay | that's it |
| 06:09.08 | Lone_Wanderer | I just borke my friends comp :( |
| 06:09.10 | Lone_Wanderer | brb |
| 06:16.05 | Lone_Wanderer | bah |
| 06:16.13 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I broke it bad. |
| 06:16.31 | nick125_lappy | how did you break it? |
| 06:16.47 | Lone_Wanderer | It says "Unable to load operating system" just after the post. |
| 06:16.59 | Lone_Wanderer | I reformatted (non-quick) and did the Windows install from CD. |
| 06:17.03 | nick125_lappy | does it detect the drive in BIOS? |
| 06:17.07 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 06:17.16 | Lone_Wanderer | I can get a command prompt (DOS) on the drive in question. |
| 06:17.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm running chkdsk now. |
| 06:18.24 | Lone_Wanderer | But the command prompt comes from the CD, not from the disk, afaik. |
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| 06:18.46 | Lone_Wanderer | And it was working pretty well about an hour ago, before I did all this. |
| 06:19.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I may require the Wisdom of Ozru. |
| 06:19.55 | nick125_lappy | Well, what did you do? |
| 06:20.07 | Lone_Wanderer | I rebooted from the CD and picked "install windows" |
| 06:20.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Chose to reformat, and then just let it go. |
| 06:21.51 | findlay | time for Linux? |
| 06:22.22 | Lone_Wanderer | She can't play Sims on Linux. |
| 06:22.35 | Lone_Wanderer | (And now you know why I'm still at it at 12:30 am :p) |
| 06:22.45 | findlay | tell her it's an inferior profram if it doesn't work on linux |
| 06:22.54 | Lone_Wanderer | That won't really help. |
| 06:22.55 | findlay | s/profram/program/ |
| 06:23.26 | findlay | say that if you can't run it on linux it's best to leave it behind and move on to more worthy software |
| 06:23.55 | Lone_Wanderer | She'll say "But I don't want to move on to more worthy software." |
| 06:24.43 | findlay | then tell her she is destined for a lesser computing experience |
| 06:25.44 | Lone_Wanderer | She'll say "I'm fine with having a lesser computing experience, so long as I *have* an experience, and the experience includes playing the Sims." |
| 06:26.26 | nick125_lappy | you could leave her at the DOS prompt and tell her that's her "lesser computing experience" |
| 06:26.26 | findlay | heh |
| 06:26.49 | Lone_Wanderer | rofl |
| 06:27.34 | findlay | that was good nick125_lappy |
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| 06:55.00 | nick125_lappy | He could have installed Linux XP on that machine |
| 06:55.07 | nick125_lappy | It's only $20 for a license! |
| 07:02.58 | nick125_lappy | "Stable and responsible means commercial" < in the "Linux XP Manifesto" ........................ |
| 07:03.01 | nick125_lappy | http://www.linux-xp.com/manifesto/ |
| 11:42.05 | mheath | Just wanted to appologize for the conversation last night |
| 11:42.19 | mheath | I was in a horrible, horrible mood, and a lot of what was being said was provoking me further. |
| 11:46.26 | mheath | nick125: I'd agree with that. |
| 11:53.19 | tene | tene@hussein:~/src/pugs/blib6/lib $ du *yml |
| 11:53.19 | tene | 2820 Prelude.pm.yml |
| 11:53.19 | tene | 1800 Test.pm.yml |
| 11:53.37 | tene | oops |
| 11:53.44 | tene | dropped my mouse on the 'paste' button |
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| 13:07.43 | mheath | I'm really looking for an easy-to-manage e-mail system for my server |
| 13:07.58 | tene | easy for who to manage? |
| 13:08.05 | mheath | easy to install and configure on Fedora, but provides me some of the features I need (POP, IMAP, etc) |
| 13:08.10 | mheath | tene, for me. |
| 13:08.52 | tene | I always use sendmail for smtp and dovecot for imap |
| 13:08.54 | tene | personally |
| 13:09.57 | mheath | Heres what I'm looking for: |
| 13:10.45 | mheath | A mail server taht supports basic e-mail accounts. Accounts that correspond to acounts on the system (No virtual e-mail accounts or anything) |
| 13:10.57 | mheath | POP3, IMAP, SMTP |
| 13:11.07 | mheath | Maybe webmail. |
| 13:11.51 | mheath | I want it to be easy to install and configure on a Fedora system |
| 13:11.52 | emcnabb | postfix + dovecot = 10 minutes |
| 13:12.24 | emcnabb | it sounds like a pretty basic setup (i.e. you could use the default settings for everything) |
| 13:12.58 | tene | squirrelmail is a common webmail package. I've never set it up before. |
| 13:13.11 | emcnabb | tene: yeah, it's *very* easy |
| 13:13.18 | emcnabb | add 5 more minutes to your time |
| 13:14.13 | tene | I've never used postfix before, but for a setup like that, I'd be comfortable using the defaults of whichever mail server you happen to choose. |
| 13:14.13 | emcnabb | mheath: there are lots of howtos out there, but I can send you some example config files if you'd like |
| 13:14.31 | tene | Except qmail, because I've had bad experiences with bad qmail configurations. |
| 13:15.03 | emcnabb | http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=46540 |
| 13:15.32 | mheath | emcnabb, outdated. (FC3). Not sure that will work. |
| 13:15.35 | emcnabb | and most of that HOWTO you wouldn't even need to do |
| 13:15.42 | emcnabb | mheath: it's basically the same steps |
| 13:15.46 | emcnabb | not much has changed |
| 13:17.45 | mheath | Is this a valid hosts file line: |
| 13:17.45 | mheath | 127.0.0.1 mtheath.net mtheath localhost.localdomain localhost |
| 13:17.46 | mheath | Never configured anything for a domain. Just hosts =\ |
| 13:28.11 | mheath | Hmm |
| 13:29.14 | mheath | My new camera's LCD is...pulsating when outdoors |
| 13:29.14 | tene | yeah, that's a valid hosts file line |
| 13:29.15 | mheath | Pictures expose OK, but the screen shows like pulsating bright light |
| 13:29.15 | mheath | IE, you can see the picture, then it fades to bright white, then it fades back to the picture... |
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| 14:00.33 | graphyx | morning |
| 14:29.02 | emcnabb | mheath: how's your mail server going? |
| 15:06.40 | mheath | emcnabb, really good actually (sorry, I left for a bit) |
| 15:06.57 | mheath | All my servers before have been at my house on a cable line |
| 15:07.25 | mheath | I'm excited because this is the first time that other servers will accept mail from mine (usually they through it out because its a residential IP), and I don't have to route through my ISP's smtp :) |
| 15:17.39 | emcnabb | mheath: yeah, exactly |
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| 15:35.37 | mheath | yah. |
| 15:35.44 | mheath | Everything is working really nicely now :) |
| 15:36.04 | emcnabb | what did you end up using? |
| 15:37.14 | mheath | Postfix, dovecot, squirrelmail, spamassassin, clamav, and amavisd. |
| 15:37.23 | mheath | Though I think I want to find something better than squirelmail |
| 15:37.44 | mheath | I'm spoiled. I use gmail's web interface, and I doubt any open source offerings can even begin to live up to that. |
| 15:39.28 | emcnabb | roundcube? |
| 15:40.21 | ScytheBlade1 | That's my only problem with linux mail servers... it's broken down into six seperate parts for a protocol that's easily typed and manipulated by hand :/ |
| 15:41.23 | emcnabb | well, it really depends on what you want |
| 15:41.50 | emcnabb | dovecot is great for small to medium sites, but doesn't scale like cyrus-imap |
| 15:41.56 | emcnabb | but at least it's easy |
| 15:42.18 | mheath | Will someone fire off a test e-mail to mheath@mtheath.net? |
| 15:42.22 | emcnabb | "email" is a lot more than just smtp? |
| 15:42.29 | emcnabb | woops, that was a statement |
| 15:42.34 | emcnabb | mheath: sure |
| 15:42.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Beat you to it ;) |
| 15:43.08 | emcnabb | it was a race? |
| 15:43.20 | emcnabb | darn, I wish I knew that, I would have sent it sooner! |
| 15:43.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Or I just had thunderbird open (like always) |
| 15:43.49 | mheath | weird. |
| 15:43.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 15:44.04 | emcnabb | today's project is wordpress comment spam prevention |
| 15:44.08 | mheath | I can receive mail locally (echo "test" | mail mheath) |
| 15:44.13 | mheath | And I can send mail |
| 15:44.16 | mheath | to outside places |
| 15:44.24 | mheath | But I can't receive e-mail from outside places, as far as I can tell |
| 15:44.36 | mheath | And theres nothing in maillog about other hosts even trying to connect |
| 15:44.41 | emcnabb | inet_interfaces = all |
| 15:44.50 | emcnabb | in main.cf |
| 15:44.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 15:45.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Found your problem |
| 15:45.04 | emcnabb | you need to tell it to listen on all interfaces, not just localhost |
| 15:45.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Your domain lacks any MX records |
| 15:45.22 | mheath | ah |
| 15:45.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 |
| 15:45.31 | emcnabb | $ host -t mx mtheath.net |
| 15:45.31 | emcnabb | mtheath.net mail is handled by 0 smtp.mtheath.net. |
| 15:45.36 | mheath | Thanks :P |
| 15:45.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 15:45.46 | mheath | well |
| 15:45.48 | ScytheBlade1 | So why am I pulling up something different? |
| 15:45.51 | mheath | I did setup smtp.mtheath.net |
| 15:46.02 | mheath | but I'm not sure smtp.mtheath.net exists :P |
| 15:46.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, it doesn't |
| 15:46.15 | emcnabb | $ host smtp.mtheath.net |
| 15:46.15 | emcnabb | smtp.mtheath.net is an alias for mtheath.net. |
| 15:46.15 | emcnabb | mtheath.net has address 166.70.208.21 |
| 15:46.15 | emcnabb | mtheath.net mail is handled by 0 smtp.mtheath.net. |
| 15:47.01 | mheath | I guess it does. Hmm. |
| 15:47.14 | emcnabb | what is inet_interfaces set to? |
| 15:47.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I just used a differnet nameserver, and it also came up empty (dig @205.124.252.2 mheath.net) |
| 15:47.40 | mheath | hey |
| 15:47.43 | mheath | mtheath.net |
| 15:47.49 | mheath | mheath.net it is not |
| 15:47.52 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 15:47.55 | ScytheBlade1 | So I'm blind |
| 15:48.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah that's coming up correctly |
| 15:49.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Sent again |
| 15:49.31 | emcnabb | 2369F1CC482 1226 Sat Mar 17 10:42:31 emcnabb@mcnabbs.org |
| 15:49.31 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.31 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.40 | emcnabb | yeah, check the setting I mentioned |
| 15:51.01 | mheath | ah. |
| 15:51.07 | mheath | try again, please :) |
| 15:51.41 | emcnabb | done |
| 15:52.31 | mheath | yah |
| 15:52.34 | mheath | There we go :) |
| 15:53.08 | emcnabb | $ host 166.70.208.21 |
| 15:53.08 | emcnabb | 21.208.70.166.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 166-70-208-21.ip.xmission.com. |
| 15:53.28 | emcnabb | you probably want to configure your reverse DNS entry |
| 15:53.39 | emcnabb | now you can since you control things more :-) |
| 15:53.44 | mheath | Mar 17 09:47:35 mtheath postfix/smtpd[2923]: connect from draco.mcnabbs.org[63.99.9.77] |
| 15:53.45 | mheath | etc |
| 15:53.52 | mheath | Everythings working perfectly |
| 15:54.02 | emcnabb | cool |
| 15:55.01 | mheath | emcnabb, how would I change my reverse DNS entry? |
| 15:55.13 | emcnabb | ask the folks at xmission |
| 15:55.30 | emcnabb | it's a standard thing to do |
| 15:55.46 | mheath | eh |
| 15:55.52 | mheath | This is a VPS |
| 15:55.59 | mheath | I guess I'd have to ask goozbach |
| 15:56.12 | emcnabb | yes, but who owns the IP address range? |
| 15:56.21 | emcnabb | 166-70-208-21.ip.xmission.com. ? |
| 15:56.44 | emcnabb | they probably own the block, and have delegated several to goozbach |
| 15:57.06 | mheath | emcnabb, well, thats my IP. But since it was resold to me via goozbach, I imagine I'll have to go through him and have him talk to xmission |
| 15:58.04 | emcnabb | mheath: whatever, I don't know your whole scenario; just talk to whoever runs the DNS server for that IP address class |
| 15:58.30 | emcnabb | time to change the baby; later |
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| 16:12.57 | tensai | mheath: looks like xmission hasn't delegated the zone to goozbach, so they'll be the ones to make the actual change |
| 16:13.15 | tensai | I imagine the request will have to come from goozbach since he's their customer and not you |
| 16:13.22 | mheath | tensai, Yes, that was my point. |
| 16:14.06 | tensai | mheath: well, then you were right. just confirming what DNS says. |
| 16:14.36 | goozbach | mheath: I'll get on that come monday |
| 16:14.49 | emcnabb | mheath: you sure do get defensive |
| 16:14.57 | mheath | goozbach, thanks. It's just mtheath.net :) |
| 16:15.21 | tensai | as long as it reverses to *something*, you shouldn't have any problems with mail delivery |
| 16:47.14 | bonez39 | I just came in this morning, left my connection up here over night..and noticed someone had posted something specifically to me...how do I sift through the .log to find it...the log for #utah is likely several megs.. |
| 16:54.43 | ScytheBlade1 | bonez39, /lastlog? |
| 17:01.35 | findlay | well, time to do useful stuff |
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| 17:43.23 | brailsmt_ | bonez39: try searching for bonez39: |
| 17:43.41 | brailsmt_ | that should narrow it down |
| 17:51.22 | bonez39 | ok |
| 18:17.39 | bonez39 | is it just me or is it quiet here today? |
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| 19:05.36 | mheath | Anyone know anything about digital cameras? |
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| 19:31.42 | findlay | yeah |
| 19:31.47 | findlay | they are expensive |
| 19:32.37 | mheath | Heh. |
| 19:38.15 | bb47 | mheath: what about them? |
| 19:38.32 | mheath | Well, theres some weird problem with my new camera |
| 19:38.46 | mheath | But I almost think it might be some weird exposure-related feature I can't figure out. |
| 19:39.17 | mheath | The screen is flashing when I try to take picutres in heavily lit areas |
| 19:39.53 | mheath | I've seen some cameras that will flash black in white to show areas of overexposure |
| 19:41.17 | mheath | But this seems rediculously sensitive, and I can't find any notes about such a 'feature' in the documentation, nor can I figure out how to turn it off. Which leads me to believe it might just be something wrong with the CCD thats causing it to do that when theres a lot of light |
| 19:41.53 | mheath | But pictures are being taken OK. And if I hold the button down halfway, the camera adjusts exposure and the flashing goes away. |
| 20:05.12 | findlay | mheath: if it bothers you, you can give your camera to me :) |
| 20:05.18 | findlay | I won't mind |
| 20:24.09 | findlay | is there a way to send a fax from a linux machine? |
| 20:32.17 | mheath | No. Linux is entirely incappable of faxing |
| 20:32.20 | mheath | It just sucks that bad. |
| 20:33.17 | sontek | findlay: I use hylax |
| 20:47.45 | nick125_lappy | You could run Linux XP! It's so much more stable and useful because its a commerical product. Open-source software just isn't stable! |
| 20:48.18 | mheath | nick125_lappy, it's a commercial offering for the average population |
| 20:48.31 | mheath | And the average population feels more comfortable with commercial products. |
| 20:49.02 | nick125_lappy | but, commerical products are stable and responsible. open-source products made by "linux fans" on the weekends obviously aren't! |
| 20:49.27 | mheath | I never remember it saying that. |
| 20:49.32 | mheath | Why are you so worked up about this? |
| 20:49.50 | nick125_lappy | "Stable and responsible means commercial" |
| 20:49.57 | nick125_lappy | it's from the linux-xp manifesto |
| 20:50.02 | mheath | You're talking about some stupid product I hadn't even heard of before you brought it up, and one that would never really succeed on a global market because they'd get sued into the ground by Microsoft before they did. |
| 20:50.26 | mheath | nick125: That does not say that open-source products are bad, or aren't those things. |
| 20:51.02 | nick125_lappy | " |
| 20:51.03 | nick125_lappy | The so-called "free of charge Linux" idea is not really going to work, as the notion of "free Linux" borders on low quality, due to under investment in a high quality product." |
| 20:51.31 | mheath | OK |
| 20:51.42 | mheath | I'd agree with that for a ton of open source things. |
| 20:52.00 | mheath | People are well intentioned, but when it comes down to it a LOT of open source products are designed by hobbyists in their free time |
| 20:52.15 | mheath | There ARE a lot of situations where major commercial backing would make said software better. |
| 20:52.25 | nick125_lappy | they are insulting the entire linux community, the same place that they STOLE the base (and 99.5%) of their software from! |
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| 21:03.16 | findlay | haha |
| 21:03.48 | nick125_lappy | I think I just "broke" their activation thing |
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| 21:35.17 | findlay | -chat Linux XP |
| 21:35.17 | brac | Linux XP on a 400mhz. |
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| 21:40.51 | findlay | -chat Linux XP |
| 21:40.52 | brac | Linux XP on it just on the Apache Environment section |
| 22:59.27 | tene | mheath: if you want to use gmail's interface, look up google's hosted mail solution |
| 23:46.28 | tene | So, a friend of mine just upgraded from fc5 to fc6 |
| 23:47.30 | findlay | so, now he has 6 FC's instead of 5? |
| 23:47.48 | findlay | how's the fuel economy if you have one more FC? |
| 23:47.54 | findlay | is it heavier? etc. |
| 23:48.07 | tene | There's an IDE drive attached via a SATA card. |
| 23:48.27 | findlay | hm |
| 23:48.36 | tene | Worked fine before the upgrade. She can still boot to the win98 install on it and the bios sees it fine. |
| 23:48.45 | tene | But it's not even mentioned at all in dmesg |
| 23:49.16 | findlay | driver, card? |
| 23:49.25 | findlay | kernel module? |
| 23:49.55 | tene | booting just fine off of a SATA drive attached to the same card |
| 23:50.40 | findlay | fdisk -l? |
| 23:51.01 | tene | the drive doesn't show up at all. |
| 23:51.21 | tene | /dev/sdb is now a usb card reader that was formerly sdc |
| 23:51.29 | findlay | can you narrow down the kernel SATA driver? |
| 23:52.16 | tene | sata_promise is loaded |
| 23:53.00 | findlay | all I can think of is to see if there are any changes that seem relevent in the changelog of the driver |
| 23:53.12 | findlay | or any other kernel code relavent |
| 23:53.16 | brac | or any other local shops |
| 23:53.23 | findlay | or there too |
| 23:53.40 | findlay | raid, LVM? |
| 23:53.54 | elg | tene: so the ide drive disappeared is what you're saying |
| 23:53.59 | tene | apparently the card is a Maxtor SATA/150 |
| 23:54.11 | tene | elg: only to linux. the bios sees it fine and she can boot to it fine. |
| 23:54.33 | elg | but linux saw it before? |
| 23:54.36 | tene | no raid being used. LVM used on the linux drive. |
| 23:54.38 | tene | elg: yes |
| 23:54.45 | elg | pata on sata cards is shaky ground |
| 23:54.56 | elg | can she not plug the ide card into the mobo? |
| 23:54.58 | elg | er, drive |
| 23:55.47 | elg | and, are you sure it's not recognized but with a different device name now, like /dev/hda or somethign |
| 23:56.11 | tene | the only element of /dev/hd* is /dev/hdc, an IDE cdrom |
