| 00:00.17 | findlay | how do you run a command as a different user? |
| 00:00.31 | vontrapp | sudo |
| 00:00.45 | findlay | ah, thanks |
| 00:00.46 | bb47 | I need to atomically test for the existance of a file, and create the file if it does not yet exist in python. Ideas? |
| 00:03.47 | nick125_lappy | if os.path.exists(path): do_something_here |
| 00:05.16 | bb47 | that doesn't create the file. |
| 00:05.58 | vontrapp | simply opening a file for write will do that |
| 00:06.00 | nick125_lappy | if os.path.exists(path): t = file(path, 'w'); t.close() |
| 00:08.31 | bb47 | that's not atomic. |
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| 00:15.10 | elg | system call to mktemp? |
| 00:15.17 | elg | which is probably also not quite atomic, but closer |
| 00:15.26 | elg | ruby has a Tempfile module for this purpose |
| 00:16.24 | bb47 | has to be a known file name. |
| 00:18.18 | elg | so you're saying python doesn't have open for writing semantics? |
| 00:18.50 | elg | in C and most languages, you open a file for writing and it gets created if it doesn't exist, with the right flags (defaults for writing iirc) |
| 00:19.39 | bb47 | need an atomic "test and create" |
| 00:19.46 | elg | open |
| 00:20.00 | bb47 | open doesn't test. only creates. |
| 00:20.12 | bb47 | I need it to fail if the file already exists. |
| 00:21.17 | bb47 | I guess I can do an os.system('bash -c "set -o noclobber; echo foo > /tmp/file"') |
| 00:21.26 | elg | open('foo.txt', O_RDWR|O_CREAT|O_EXCL, 0600) |
| 00:21.52 | elg | that's C. python's open method/command/function/whatever should have the ability to do that sort of thing |
| 00:22.03 | elg | depending on support from the OS of course |
| 00:22.45 | bb47 | you'd think. |
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| 00:23.21 | nick125_lappy | I think it works the same way.. |
| 00:24.10 | nick125_lappy | open('foo.txt', os.O_RDWR|os.O_CREAT|os.O_EXCL, mode=0600) |
| 00:24.54 | nick125_lappy | You need to import os (of course) |
| 00:25.29 | bb47 | you're dreaming. |
| 00:26.36 | bb47 | "Open a file. The mode can be 'r', 'w' or 'a' for reading (default), writing or appending." |
| 00:27.36 | elg | http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2005-January/301433.html |
| 00:28.35 | nick125_lappy | Oh, I forgot that the os.open() and open() API was different |
| 00:30.20 | bb47 | ah. os.open()... |
| 00:30.23 | nick125_lappy | yup, that code should work |
| 00:30.34 | nick125_lappy | >>> os.open('foo.txt', os.O_RDWR|os.O_CREAT|os.O_EXCL, 0600) |
| 00:30.34 | nick125_lappy | 3 |
| 00:30.34 | nick125_lappy | >>> os.open('foo.txt', os.O_RDWR|os.O_CREAT|os.O_EXCL, 0600) |
| 00:30.41 | nick125_lappy | [snip] |
| 00:30.42 | nick125_lappy | OSError: [Errno 17] File exists: 'foo.txt' |
| 00:31.41 | elg | open and os.open are different? |
| 00:31.58 | bb47 | yep. |
| 00:32.04 | bb47 | nick125_lappy: thanks. |
| 00:33.36 | elg | odd |
| 00:35.06 | mheath | Odd |
| 00:35.42 | mheath | Windows Vista keeps coming back with a "The sytem has recovered from an unexpected shutdown" message when I restart the computer (using Start -> Restart) |
| 00:37.29 | jsmith | mheath: You're asking in the wrong channel ;-) |
| 00:37.40 | mheath | Heh. Indeed. |
| 00:37.59 | jsmith | Or #uwaa |
| 00:38.00 | mheath | You know, I'm starting to realize how much our government has classified that doesn't need to be classified |
| 00:38.19 | mheath | So much unncessarily and possibly harmfully held from the public |
| 00:38.46 | jsmith | Well, all I can say on the matter is that it's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for. |
| 00:38.46 | mheath | To give an example: All of my class work is marked as classified (as in, I stamp each and every paper, and it can't leave the building). |
| 00:39.34 | scottjad | Ok, so I've never kept very good backups and I want to setup a nice automated backup system. I guess the easiest is just to have a tar of your latest files, and keep a couple old versions. But it would sure be nice to be able to keep say the latest 5 revisions of a file and not duplicate files that are the same. Is this a job for darcs or is there something more simpler for doing this? |
| 00:39.38 | mheath | This is mainly to train us for working with real classified information (once we stat working with it in about 6 months), but the fact still remains that there are thousands of papers of rediculously basic math and elementary electronics marked as classified |
| 00:39.52 | mheath | Makes me wonder what else there is out tehre thats hidden away / classified that shouldn't be / doesn't need to be |
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| 00:40.48 | elg | scottjad: look at backuppc |
| 00:40.58 | elg | dumb name, but it seems to work well |
| 00:41.12 | mheath | Speaking of that |
| 00:41.17 | elg | automatic, no client setup (except for access via ssh keys and rsync) |
| 00:41.20 | brac | Speaking of building the progress bar, and I'm not in /usr/X11R6/bin ? |
| 00:41.42 | mheath | What are some good options for backups when I only have one remote machine, and nothing to readily back up on? |
| 00:41.58 | elg | and it sends you emails and stuff if things aren't going as they should be |
| 00:42.15 | mheath | I was thinking about backing up some things to gmail... |
| 00:42.56 | elg | mozy. http://mozy.com/ |
| 00:42.58 | brac | [Mozy Online Backup: Free. Automatic. Secure.] |
| 00:43.25 | elg | you'll satisfy tensai by buying locally. :) |
| 00:43.36 | elg | disclaimer: i have no idea if they have a linux client, and I've never used them |
| 00:45.26 | mheath | they apparently don't use a linux client. =( |
| 00:45.34 | tene | http://rsync.net/ -- looks like a very nice backup solution |
| 00:45.37 | brac | [rsync.net - Secure Offsite Backups, Offsite Data Storage and Remote Encrypted Filesystems, Offsite Backup] |
| 00:45.53 | mheath | Have to step outside to use my cell phone. Horrible reception |
| 00:46.13 | mheath | And I doubt the card would activate if the caller ID shows 7777777777, which is what it shows when I call using Yahoo VoIP |
| 00:46.31 | Sargun | mheath, Who is your cell phone company? |
| 00:46.42 | mheath | Sargun, verizon |
| 00:46.57 | mheath | Its not the cell phone companies fault. Verzion usually has good coverage |
| 00:47.07 | mheath | Like, they have full broadband digital everywhere back home |
| 00:47.10 | Sargun | Well, considering your on a military base. |
| 00:47.17 | mheath | I'm just smack in the middle of a very large military base |
| 00:47.21 | Sargun | heh |
| 00:47.23 | Sargun | exactly. |
| 00:47.28 | mheath | And cell phone companies rarely get contracts to build towers on base |
| 00:47.37 | mheath | Those sprint has one, supposedly. Their reception is acceptable here. |
| 00:48.07 | mheath | I'm thinking about switching to sprint. Hard to organize all that, though......Getting the verizon contract terminated (which they'll do without penalty, granted), and starting a new sprint contract. |
| 00:48.36 | mheath | I really don't want a long-term sprint contract, though. Because for everything else expcept for the reception on this base, Sprint _sucks_. |
| 00:49.22 | nick125_lappy | couldn't you force your device to roam on sprint? |
| 00:50.18 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, you have a good point there, he could do that, couldn't he? |
| 00:51.11 | nick125_lappy | Well, that would only work if verizon had free roaming |
| 00:51.32 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, I think they do. |
| 00:52.07 | Sargun | Knowing Verizon, they are going to charge $2.00 a minute for roaming (moved the decimal place over one) |
| 00:52.50 | nick125_lappy | Or they will charge 35 dollars, instead of 35 cents per minute |
| 00:53.07 | mheath | Sargun, they have free roaming. |
| 00:53.18 | nick125_lappy | (I'm referring to the $0.02/kb vs 0.02c/kb thing) |
| 00:53.37 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, Yeah, I remember that, that's freaking hilarious. |
| 00:53.43 | Sargun | mheath, Set your phone to roam forcefully. |
| 00:53.54 | mheath | Sargun, I believe, though, that verizon and sprint use completely different wireless protocols. |
| 00:54.29 | nick125_lappy | mheath: nope, both are CDMA |
| 00:54.46 | Sargun | Nope. |
| 00:54.58 | Sargun | I think Sprint has an extra frequency |
| 00:55.04 | Sargun | they also have TDMA support |
| 00:58.04 | nick125_lappy | I love bitlbee |
| 01:03.13 | mheath | My new camera got here today :) |
| 01:06.20 | mheath | As did my credit card. |
| 01:11.10 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, Yes, bitlbee is awesome. |
| 01:11.49 | tene | somehow Sargun praising something makes me feel bad for even knowing what it is. |
| 01:12.01 | mheath | tene, agreed. |
| 01:12.06 | mheath | *sigh* |
| 01:12.19 | mheath | I wish I had time to play with my server |
| 01:12.32 | mheath | Any significant amount of free time now feels better put towards other things |
| 01:12.41 | mheath | More important things. Like going to Hooters and watching a movie :) |
| 01:12.46 | tene | Sargun: are you sure you don't want to start preferring Windows? |
| 01:14.03 | Sargun | Heh |
| 01:14.32 | Sargun | mheath, movie++; hooters--; |
| 01:14.37 | tene | Didn't you read that study? Apparently Windows is *so* much better than linux these days. |
| 01:14.42 | Sargun | girl_friend++; |
| 01:14.58 | mheath | Sargun, I wouldn't have time for a girl friend. Nor do I want one. |
| 01:15.20 | Sargun | mheath, Well, girlfriend is better than hooters. |
| 01:15.23 | Sargun | :-P |
| 01:15.27 | Sargun | It was sort of a joke.. |
| 01:15.28 | Sargun | but |
| 01:15.29 | Sargun | still |
| 01:15.31 | Sargun | hooters--; |
| 01:15.52 | tene | Sargun: stop it. you're making me want to go to hooters. |
| 01:16.22 | findlay | -chat about tene wants |
| 01:16.22 | brac | tene wants |
| 01:16.35 | mheath | Uh. |
| 01:16.39 | findlay | -chat about Sargun owls |
| 01:16.39 | brac | Sargun owls |
| 01:16.52 | Sargun | tene, Haha |
| 01:16.57 | mheath | I find it very disturbing that you equate Hooters to a girl friend in any way |
| 01:17.06 | mheath | Even if you're saying one is greater than the other |
| 01:17.23 | Sargun | lol |
| 01:17.27 | tene | mheath: agreed |
| 01:17.31 | findlay | yeah. what does a bunch of owls have to do with girlfrineds |
| 01:17.33 | findlay | ? |
| 01:18.03 | Sargun | girl friend cooks food. Hooters uhh, makes things that taste like food. |
| 01:18.21 | Sargun | Hooters's waitresses = Pretty girls who talk to you |
| 01:18.23 | mheath | I dunno. I used to live a very simple, controlled life. Here, I work so much on the weekdays, I find myself more and more having spontaneous sailor-ish (for lack of a better term) fun with my friends. |
| 01:18.32 | Sargun | Girlfriend = Pretty girl who talks to you. |
| 01:18.39 | findlay | heh |
| 01:18.44 | mheath | Sargun, I really hope you view serious girlfriends as more than pretty girls who talk to you. |
| 01:18.49 | mheath | I would never want to date here |
| 01:18.52 | mheath | So many relationships get ruined here |
| 01:18.52 | findlay | truisms from the life of Sargun (-: |
| 01:18.58 | mheath | Especially people who are married when they come here |
| 01:19.05 | Sargun | mheath, I'm being sarcastic... |
| 01:19.07 | mheath | Navy moves theres spouses to live on base here |
| 01:19.09 | Sargun | mheath, On the base? |
| 01:19.26 | Sargun | Gah, that doesn't seem like a good idea to date while enlisted |
| 01:19.30 | Sargun | Even as an engineer. |
| 01:19.33 | mheath | Uh |
| 01:19.37 | mheath | "while enlisted"? |
| 01:19.44 | findlay | -chat about while enlisted |
| 01:19.44 | brac | while enlisted |
| 01:19.50 | mheath | Sure you can date while your enlisted |
| 01:19.58 | Sargun | mheath, Getting moved around, etc.. |
| 01:20.17 | mheath | I'm talking about dating while your going to school at NNPTC. In school from 6 AM to 8PM. |
| 01:20.36 | findlay | ~date mheath |
| 01:20.39 | ibot | you date mheath |
| 01:20.44 | findlay | no |
| 01:22.10 | mheath | So |
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| 01:22.40 | mheath | I wonder if me talking about basic electronics could be construed about me talking about classified material |
| 01:22.58 | findlay | ~classify mheath |
| 01:22.59 | ibot | ACTION places a NOFORN stamp on mheath's head |
| 01:23.20 | mheath | Like, if I mention Ohm's Law |
| 01:23.37 | tene | so, mheath, tell me about your opinions on transistors. |
| 01:23.52 | mheath | tene, hah, haven't learned about those yet :P |
| 01:24.10 | tene | Bah, I was going to say resistors |
| 01:24.21 | tene | but I used the wrong word. |
| 01:24.24 | findlay | ~resist tene |
| 01:24.30 | tene | I fail at names-of-electronic-components |
| 01:24.36 | findlay | what about terroristors? |
| 01:24.53 | tene | dubya's law? |
| 01:25.03 | findlay | that's got to be classified |
| 01:25.42 | mheath | Seriously though |
| 01:25.42 | tene | terrorism = foreigners / re-election? |
| 01:25.43 | tene | mheath: yeah, thta's an interesting question |
| 01:25.50 | elg | mheath: don't ask us what the great irrational considers classified |
| 01:25.54 | elg | common sense doesn't apply |
| 01:26.14 | findlay | tene: you forgot ' * national alert level color' |
| 01:26.21 | mheath | if I learn about basic electronics in a restricted, classified environment, could me discussing materials learned in class (even if said materials are common, simple basic electrical properities) be construed as treason? |
| 01:26.22 | mheath | Haha |
| 01:26.30 | mheath | Theres a giant sign here taht shows the alert level |
| 01:26.37 | mheath | Erm, not the alert level. The military threat condition. |
| 01:26.50 | tene | findlay: no, that's the equivalent of resistor value measurement |
| 01:26.51 | findlay | what does it taste like? |
| 01:27.01 | findlay | tene: ah |
| 01:27.05 | findlay | I'm a newb |
| 01:27.16 | tene | mheath: is the food classified too? could you discuss your lunch? |
| 01:27.24 | mheath | haha |
| 01:27.29 | mheath | I know it seems like a joke |
| 01:27.37 | findlay | tene works for the FBI |
| 01:27.40 | mheath | But I'm really curious |
| 01:27.51 | tene | mheath: so am I |
| 01:27.54 | tene | findlay: shh! |
| 01:28.05 | tene | findlay: are you calling me a little girl? |
| 01:28.18 | mheath | This channel is logged. Who knows what they'd think if they saw me discussing something as simple as, say, Ohm's Law, if I learned about Ohm's law in a classifeid class with all classified books, classified homework, etc. |
| 01:28.54 | Sargun | mheath, If they wanted to prosecute you, they could probably convict you for disclosing something, but I doubt that they'd prosecute you for simple concepts such as resistance.. |
| 01:29.11 | elg | common sense says A) that's silly, B) it's not classified information, and C) they have better things to do |
| 01:29.23 | elg | but it _is_ the military |
| 01:29.46 | elg | Sargun: resistance is exactly the sort of thing they would prosecute for ;-) |
| 01:29.58 | elg | don't start a resistance movement. keep your Ohms to yourself |
| 01:30.04 | Sargun | elg, haha. |
| 01:32.25 | mheath | Heh, one of our teachers was trying to talk about something classified today |
| 01:32.32 | mheath | A lot of guys in class don't have their 'real' clearance yet |
| 01:32.47 | Sargun | haha |
| 01:32.50 | mheath | But somebody asked a "how does this apply to reactors" question so he tried to explain with a diagram |
| 01:33.03 | mheath | But he kept saying "Wait...no...can't show that part of it....thats classified..." |
| 01:33.35 | Sargun | That'd be so annoying, errr, oops, I just told you some classified information. -watches men in the black suits come in- :-P |
| 01:34.56 | mheath | Gah, they're so strict on format here, though =\ |
| 01:35.09 | mheath | I keep getting redo's on my homework not because the answer is wrong or the process on achieving it is wrong, but because theirs one tiny little thing missing from the format of my work. |
| 01:36.56 | elg | it'll probably get better later |
| 01:37.32 | elg | they probably front load that stuff to get you used to conformance |
| 01:39.52 | mheath | elg, yeah, it still sucks to get a 3.77/4.0 on a test when in a normal school I would have gotten a 3.95/4.0 |
| 01:40.33 | mheath | Actually, .75 of the loss was for something rediculous that I don't agree with at all. That was insane, well beyond comformance and attention to detail (especially since they never told us this particular thing could cost us points. |
| 01:41.36 | elg | that's the difference between "follow directions" and military conformance |
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| 01:51.45 | tuxd00d | That song is awful |
| 01:51.54 | tuxd00d | to listen to, that is |
| 01:53.02 | tene | what song? |
| 02:06.37 | Sargun | I'm clueless to why Windows (in vmware) is taking less CPU up than Firefox |
| 02:06.42 | Sargun | er |
| 02:06.44 | Sargun | CPU time |
| 02:09.11 | jakea | tuxd00d: All I could think of is American Idol tryouts when I heard it |
| 02:10.14 | Sargun | What song? |
| 02:10.19 | Sargun | oh |
| 02:10.27 | Sargun | Nevermind. |
| 02:10.32 | Sargun | <ibot> talk to me jakey baby |
| 02:10.43 | jakea | the free software song |
| 02:10.59 | Sargun | OMG! X-Chat's paste features finally doesn't format like a typewriter with 16.3 missing keys |
| 02:17.29 | tuxd00d | sorry, the free software song, at the BYU-UUG meeting |
| 02:18.09 | tuxd00d | jakea: that's right, I see all the American idol as my wife watches it |
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| 02:26.50 | tuxd00d | I feel stupid for never learning vim |
| 02:27.53 | tuxd00d | I wonder if the dude will share his .vimrc |
| 02:28.36 | Sargun | haha |
| 02:28.51 | Sargun | tuxd00d, Why feel stupid? |
| 02:29.31 | tuxd00d | I know almost everything else so well, but not vim |
| 02:30.24 | tuxd00d | all (real) geeks know vim |
| 02:30.46 | tuxd00d | so it seems |
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| 02:31.18 | mheath | No. |
| 02:31.53 | mheath | Real geeks know emacs. |
| 02:31.53 | tuxd00d | man, don't know that one either |
| 02:32.13 | tuxd00d | but I'm really good at nano |
| 02:32.14 | jsmith | tuxd00d: Go learn vim |
| 02:32.24 | tuxd00d | that's why I'm at the meeting |
| 02:32.40 | tuxd00d | hey jsmith, like treating you well? |
| 02:32.49 | jsmith | Of course! |
| 02:33.02 | jsmith | But I'm *very* tired, so I'm about to crash. |
| 02:33.09 | tuxd00d | I've spent most of my time working on stuff like asterisk at mythtv |
| 02:34.22 | tuxd00d | but, the teacher is moving rather fast, for me, as I'm not giving him my full attention |
| 02:34.43 | tuxd00d | jsmith: I've used nano since it was call pico |
| 02:35.48 | tuxd00d | Jesus is mentioned in the Bible 900 something times |
| 02:35.49 | jsmith | tuxd00d: I know... |
| 02:36.24 | elg | "the teacher" is sjansen no? throw something at him |
| 02:36.27 | brac | "the teacher" is sjansen talking to you |
| 02:36.32 | tuxd00d | yep |
| 02:36.49 | tuxd00d | I'm in the back, and I'm a geek, not a football player |
| 02:37.14 | tuxd00d | and I failed to find a suitable projectile |
| 02:38.50 | elg | you have paper? |
| 02:38.58 | elg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_football |
| 02:39.11 | tuxd00d | jsmith: good news, we seemed to have found a medicine concoction to help my pain, .... so I finally made it to another meeting |
| 02:39.26 | jsmith | Cool... |
| 02:39.39 | tuxd00d | nope, just a water bottle, and meds |
| 02:39.42 | tuxd00d | in my bag |
| 02:40.51 | tuxd00d | tabs are evil, .... oh look, look at all those tabs he has |
| 02:41.20 | tuxd00d | I had BBQ chicken for dinner, sooo good |
| 02:41.35 | tuxd00d | but now I smell like a campfire |
| 02:44.15 | mheath | tuxd00d, why are you in pain? |
| 02:44.46 | tuxd00d | I've had a massive headache for 12 years |
| 02:44.58 | mheath | Sorry if I'm being insensitive. Everyone else seems to know about it, but not me |
| 02:44.59 | mheath | Ah |
| 02:45.10 | tuxd00d | multiple concussions, but the doctors don't know why I am still in incredible pain |
| 02:45.28 | mheath | Headaches are kind of a grey area, as far as I understand |
| 02:45.29 | tuxd00d | so they experiment on me |
| 02:45.39 | tuxd00d | sometimes it's rather painful |
| 02:45.41 | mheath | IE, they've never been able to conclusively say where all headaches come from |
| 02:45.43 | mheath | Or what causes them |
| 02:45.54 | tuxd00d | that is true for me at least |
| 02:46.00 | tensai | cast iron skillets can cause them |
| 02:46.13 | tuxd00d | if I am not on my meds, I would be crying and vomiting from the pain, mostly vomiting |
| 02:46.35 | tuxd00d | I'm expected to die this way (terminal) |
| 02:47.08 | tuxd00d | and what's worse, or better, is that more of my organs are starting to act weird |
| 02:47.20 | tuxd00d | better because we might be able to find out what's wrong |
| 02:47.31 | tuxd00d | like, I am now loosing my vision |
| 02:48.21 | tuxd00d | so who else is here at the meeting with me? |
| 02:48.44 | tuxd00d | I would be a fan if VIM, as I don't like using the mouse |
| 02:49.10 | tuxd00d | Mars? |
| 02:49.22 | mheath | South Carolina :) |
| 02:49.47 | tuxd00d | used to be in Utah? |
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| 02:50.35 | mheath | Yep |
| 02:51.26 | mheath | hmm. Time to hop in the shower then head to sleep. Have a good night, everyone. |
| 02:51.33 | tuxd00d | mheath: good for you, glad your not one of the typical pacifist geek. You actually understand that evil exists. |
| 02:51.37 | brac | good for me.. |
| 02:51.47 | tuxd00d | Night mheath |
| 02:54.49 | QBFreak | hmm, my Linux box is having an issue where the resolution is 640x480 when it first comes up, but if I log out and back in (restarts X), it fixes itself |
| 02:55.11 | QBFreak | someone suggested that this could be the nvidia driver not loading initially, but I don't know how to go about fixing that |
| 02:55.14 | tuxd00d | only incorrect when you start it from power off? |
| 02:55.37 | tuxd00d | are you using the legacy or new nvidia? |
| 02:56.12 | tuxd00d | what distro? |
| 02:56.24 | tuxd00d | install form source, or package? |
| 02:56.48 | QBFreak | Fedora Core 5, I installed from a package |
| 02:56.58 | QBFreak | and it is only incorrect after rebooting or powering on |
| 02:58.06 | QBFreak | I thought I had it fixed once, by chaning my x config, but it seems to have returned and I havn't changed anything that I can think of |
| 02:58.14 | QBFreak | *changing |
| 02:58.41 | QBFreak | oddly enough, the resolution on the second display seems to be ok, or at least higher |
| 02:59.28 | tuxd00d | sounds like items are done it different order |
| 03:00.38 | tuxd00d | I haven't had the fun of looking into how all that stuff works |
| 03:00.45 | tuxd00d | I just installed the package, at it worked |
| 03:01.01 | tuxd00d | you do have a nvidia chipset, right? |
| 03:02.06 | tuxd00d | I assume you looked at the logs? |
| 03:02.13 | tuxd00d | dmesg and the like |
| 03:03.14 | QBFreak | I do have a chipset, and this time around I have not, right as you answered I got asked an install question about something I wrote a tutorialish thing for :) |
| 03:04.19 | tuxd00d | QBFreak: QB for QuickBooks? |
| 03:04.56 | QBFreak | QBasic, though quickbooks people took qbfreak.com :( |
| 03:05.22 | tene | better than "GiraffeMonster" |
| 03:06.00 | QBFreak | tene: no peeking! |
| 03:06.40 | QBFreak | according to dmesg it is loading |
| 03:06.56 | tuxd00d | QBasic, those were the days |
| 03:07.25 | tuxd00d | the machine I am on, doesn't have nvidia chipset |
| 03:07.25 | QBFreak | I still have piles of unsorted and unfinished QBasic code somewhere, on piles of floppies I suspect :) |
| 03:07.52 | tuxd00d | Nibbles was the bomb, or at least better than doing your school work |
| 03:08.09 | QBFreak | I think technically gorillas was the bomb, but yeah |
| 03:08.28 | tuxd00d | oh ya, gorillas |
| 03:08.34 | tuxd00d | do you have either of them? |
| 03:08.46 | tuxd00d | I hacked up gorillas a lot |
| 03:08.47 | QBFreak | hmm, I assume this is just a "this isn't free" warning: nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. |
| 03:09.04 | tuxd00d | looks like it |
| 03:09.15 | QBFreak | I could dig them out if I needed to, I have old DOS and Windows install media around here somewhere |
| 03:09.23 | tuxd00d | look for error messages, or have X be more verbose |
| 03:09.29 | QBFreak | hmm, perhaps this is a different driver: NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module 1.0-9755 Mon Feb 26 23:21:15 PST 2 |
| 03:09.32 | QBFreak | 007 |
| 03:09.39 | tuxd00d | I'll search the 'Net for them |
| 03:09.41 | QBFreak | NVRM vs NVIDIA |
| 03:09.54 | QBFreak | check a 9x CD if you have one |
| 03:10.07 | QBFreak | there should be an oldmsdos or similar directory with DOS 6.22 |
| 03:10.51 | tuxd00d | I have them, somewhere |
| 03:11.18 | tuxd00d | I think it is time for me to go home, the wife wants me |
| 03:11.37 | tuxd00d | I need to find a vending machine before I leave, need to get some Junior Mints |
| 03:11.53 | tuxd00d | At least BYU keeps those stocked |
| 03:12.31 | QBFreak | later, thanks for the help |
| 03:13.05 | tuxd00d | Good luck, you're answer should be in the logs and verbose debugging |
| 03:13.23 | elg | ibot, help tell |
| 03:13.37 | tuxd00d | Later guys |
| 03:13.43 | QBFreak | ibot: don't do it! tell doesn't need your help |
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| 03:13.56 | findlay | -chat about FBI agent |
| 03:13.57 | brac | FBI agent |
| 03:14.25 | findlay | -chat about something else |
| 03:14.25 | brac | something else that knows when I used to be the bad header |
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| 03:20.05 | findlay | -chat about elg returns |
| 03:20.09 | brac | elg returns |
| 03:20.12 | findlay | sure |
| 03:20.41 | elg | -chat |
| 03:20.41 | brac | with the operating system residing on another and have some CLI commands that I need to move on. |
| 03:21.12 | QBFreak | brac: you make less sense than I do |
| 03:22.31 | findlay | ~confuse brac |
| 03:22.39 | ibot | no them is their gouda today ? |
| 03:24.59 | QBFreak | I like the kook module for mozbot, it will come up with some interesting arguments to any argument |
| 03:25.50 | QBFreak | or says mean things |
| 03:26.04 | QBFreak | < twikibot> I can only imagine that you think along the same lines as discrimination. |
| 03:37.40 | findlay | a bot that can imagine |
| 03:37.50 | findlay | amazing the advances of technology these days |
| 03:41.55 | tensai | ~pity byu |
| 03:42.01 | ibot | I pity da fool byu! |
| 03:42.08 | tensai | 79-77 :( |
| 03:42.58 | elg | lots or losing? |
| 03:43.28 | elg | er, lost |
| 03:56.43 | tensai | lost |
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| 04:50.26 | tene | Okay, why does the windows install disk take a full 30 seconds to load a "Generic USB Hub" driver? |
| 04:50.29 | tene | Also, why is it loading this huge list of raid controller drivers? |
| 04:50.29 | tene | there's no raid controller in this box! |
| 04:51.03 | nick125_lappy | Why does Vista require a driver for an USB drive? and an USB keyboard? I've always wondered that.. |
| 04:52.26 | tene | and, after a long beriod of waiting, it finally starts loading windows... and bsod! |
| 05:21.37 | findlay | -chat about tene, bsods |
| 05:21.37 | brac | tene, bsods |
| 05:36.30 | findlay | -chat about stuff |
| 05:36.30 | brac | stuff was related to... |
| 05:55.45 | findlay | -chat about spam |
| 05:55.45 | brac | spam did |
| 05:56.18 | findlay | really? |
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| 06:49.08 | tene | Mmm... javascript is good. |
| 07:01.01 | findlay | ~javascript tene |
| 07:01.19 | findlay | sleep time |
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| 09:03.10 | Supaplex | ahoy dilvie |
| 09:04.55 | dilvie | hi |
| 09:05.56 | tene | ~lart dilvie |
| 09:06.40 | dilvie | hrm |
| 09:09.05 | dilvie | w3rt |
| 09:09.05 | dilvie | Supa: wanna go to a parade Saturday? |
| 09:09.45 | Supaplex | I've done enough travel for a while. |
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| 09:17.21 | Supaplex | anywho, nighty night :) |
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| 12:42.31 | grissom | open sores is cool |
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| 13:38.03 | ^Migs^ | haha: http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyid=2007-03-15T185204Z_01_SYD293615_RTRUKOC_0_US-AUSTRALIA-IMPOSTER.xml&src=rss |
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| 13:46.08 | redbeard1 | not something that you want to see when looking up a tracking number: "THE PACKAGE IS DELAYED DUE TO EMERGENCY CONDITIONS BEYOND UPS' CONTROL" |
| 13:47.05 | ^Migs^ | This article's title is great: http://www.livescience.com/environment/070312_solarsys_warming.html "Sun Blamed for Warming of Earth and Other Worlds" |
| 13:47.06 | elg | oooh fun |
| 13:47.10 | ^Migs^ | that DARN SUN! |
| 13:48.16 | elg | so let's review. the 19th century was the age of discovery, 20th the age of technology, and the 21st will be the age of alarmism |
| 13:49.46 | emcnabb | and the 21st will also be the end of elg! down with elg! |
| 13:49.49 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 14:09.39 | elg | antiporn technology legislationmovements make me sad, in a "that's so futile" kind of way |
| 14:10.41 | elg | Here's the litmus test: 99.99% of people hate spam. We can't stop spam. What percentage of people hate porn? (hint, fewer than 99.99%) |
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| 14:11.56 | elg | the only approach I see as having any promise, in both fields, is AI that can recognize the porn or spam and filter it for you |
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| 14:25.36 | goozbach | the only approch I see is to institute capital punishment for whomever is caught sending either to an unwilling recipient |
| 14:38.56 | elg | you're being funny, but of course that wouldn't work either. too hard to execute people and too hard to catch them |
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| 14:40.59 | goozbach | I know |
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| 14:51.45 | QBFreak | ~roulette |
| 14:51.48 | ibot | ACTION watches qbfreak pull the trigger: Click! |
| 14:51.55 | QBFreak | ~roulette |
| 14:51.57 | ibot | ACTION watches qbfreak pull the trigger: Click! |
| 14:52.11 | QBFreak | ~roulette |
| 14:52.12 | ibot | ACTION watches qbfreak pull the trigger: Click! |
| 14:52.26 | QBFreak | ibot: is it even loaded? |
| 14:52.35 | QBFreak | ~roulette |
| 14:52.36 | ibot | ACTION watches qbfreak pull the trigger: Click! |
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| 14:53.36 | QBFreak | lucky me, I just installed the Windows Genuine Advantage validation tool on a customer's PC that has an illegal copy of XP Pro |
| 14:53.45 | QBFreak | I bet he's gonna be thrilled |
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| 14:56.50 | graphyx | QBFreak: I bet |
| 14:57.55 | QBFreak | the boss says just disable the notifications and leave it, its not like he's been running windows update anyway |
| 15:03.30 | sontek | javascript:void(window.g_sDisableWGACheck='all') |
| 15:08.27 | ^Migs^ | geez |
| 15:08.44 | ^Migs^ | I have the biggest pet peeve about people who call me up and the first thing they do is yawn into the phone |
| 15:08.59 | ^Migs^ | it's forgivable because my wife was the one who just did it, but still, it's annoying |
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| 15:50.29 | ^Migs^ | haha, new guy is adorable. He just discovered urbandictionary, and said he hopes we don't block it, cuz he thinks it's a good tool for teachers to understand what students are saying |
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| 15:50.49 | sjansen | http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070312#future |
| 15:51.04 | findlay | good morning |
| 15:51.26 | levi | Morning. |
| 15:55.53 | levi | sjansen: It's now run by a small, power-hungry clique, eh? Why does that not surprise me? |
| 15:58.48 | findlay | heh |
| 16:11.04 | sjansen | ~lart jsmith for disparaging Ubuntu |
| 16:11.32 | sjansen | There is no Gentoo but Gentoo and even its founder abandoned it. |
| 16:11.32 | findlay | heh, funny lart |
| 16:11.39 | jsmith | I'd be happy to give the channel more information, so they can help disparage Ubuntu ;-) |
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| 16:14.22 | vontrapp | how's the weather in moab? |
| 16:14.46 | levi | I like Ubuntu, but it if it ever dies, I won't cry too much. There will still be Debian and a slew of other Debian-derived distros. |
| 16:14.46 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 16:16.07 | sjansen | ~fart elg |
| 16:16.17 | ibot | ACTION farts in elg's general direction |
| 16:16.50 | dataw0lf | I doubt if Ubuntu will die unless Shuttlesworth has a heart attack and dies, and all of the core developers like Waugh fall into a pit and never return |
| 16:17.34 | Jayce^ | Madness, this is Ubuntu... |
| 16:17.40 | Jayce^ | *kick* |
| 16:19.02 | findlay | ~ubuntu Jayce^ |
| 16:22.09 | redbeard1 | ~migs Jayce^ |
| 16:22.11 | ibot | ACTION forces Jayce^ to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 16:25.42 | dataw0lf | heh, that'd be an interesting lesson. |
| 16:27.39 | findlay | ~perl dataw0lf |
| 16:27.40 | ibot | ACTION forces ^Migs^ to use perl |
| 16:28.31 | harleypig | ~perl everyone |
| 16:28.33 | ibot | ACTION forces ^Migs^ to use perl |
| 16:33.52 | harleypig | that's funny |
| 16:36.30 | findlay | -chat about funny |
| 16:36.31 | brac | funny went |
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| 16:39.18 | redbeard1 | Jayce^: he puts and addictive chemical in his chicken that makes you crave it fort-nightly |
| 16:39.42 | Jayce^ | hey sjansen http://www.paodequeijomineiro.com.br/ <-- just to make you hungry |
| 16:39.44 | brac | [:: Pão de Queijo Mineiro] |
| 16:39.59 | vontrapp | anyone have a PCI1620 card reader working in linux? |
| 16:40.04 | redbeard1 | Jayce^: that's a funny way to spell queso |
| 16:40.24 | Jayce^ | why would you misspell it that way? |
| 16:41.04 | redbeard1 | ~brasil Jayce^ |
| 16:44.42 | goozbach | let's say you own a company. |
| 16:44.46 | goozbach | and you make things |
| 16:45.06 | goozbach | part of your website has a shopping cart where customers can order things |
| 16:45.25 | goozbach | the shopping cart software automatically charges your customer's card |
| 16:45.55 | goozbach | and automatically sends an email "thanks for your order, here's a link to keep track" |
| 16:46.38 | goozbach | what's an acceptable amount of elapsed time before your customer hears ANYTHING back from you? |
| 16:47.00 | emcnabb | 42 |
| 16:47.06 | goozbach | eg either "we're shipping your product" or "due to backorders you product shipment will be delayed" |
| 16:47.18 | goozbach | emcnabb: 42 whats? |
| 16:47.24 | goozbach | 42hours I'd be happy |
| 16:47.39 | goozbach | I went 16 days |
| 16:47.50 | jsmith | 16 days?!? |
| 16:47.53 | goozbach | from "thanks for your order" to "shipping now" |
| 16:48.08 | goozbach | I even called once in the middle of that and got sent to voicemail |
| 16:48.25 | goozbach | no callback, nor email back or anything |
| 16:48.53 | goozbach | if they knew it was going to take 16 days why not an email stating "tis going to take 16 days"?" |
| 16:48.58 | emcnabb | 42 |
| 16:49.29 | goozbach | I doubt I'll be buying their bigger/more expensive product now |
| 16:49.49 | goozbach | if this is a valid representation of their customer service |
| 16:50.36 | goozbach | I understand I'm only buying ONE(1) of you test/devel devices costing ~$300 |
| 16:50.45 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www-tech.mit.edu/V126/N64/64largenumber.html |
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| 16:51.15 | findlay | 43 |
| 16:51.20 | goozbach | but if it works like I need it to I'll be buying MANY(>1) of your production devices costing ~$4000 each |
| 16:51.33 | goozbach | bah~ |
| 16:51.40 | goozbach | </rant> |
| 16:52.07 | goozbach | the worst part is that it's getting shipped "slowboattochina" and isn't going to be here for a week |
| 16:52.26 | goozbach | shipped today, arrives on the 26th, |
| 16:52.34 | goozbach | wait! 10 days |
| 16:52.36 | goozbach | what? |
| 16:52.47 | goozbach | where they shipping from? mongolia? |
| 16:53.00 | Lone_Wanderer | They're using the Mongolian IP Horde method of shipping. |
| 16:53.15 | dataw0lf | yea, they'll probably stop indefinitely in Europe somewhere |
| 16:53.33 | goozbach | heh |
| 16:53.48 | goozbach | time to map out a path without a big wall across it... |
| 16:53.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Specifically, a Mongolian straps it onto his back and rides toward his destination (which may or may not be nearer to you). If he meets another Mongolian, he compares notes. If the other Mongolian will eventually be closer to you, they swap. |
| 17:01.06 | findlay | my intarwebs are slow today |
| 17:01.47 | findlay | will you fix it Lone_Wanderer? ktxbye |
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| 17:02.33 | Lone_Wanderer | My head is slow. Oh! I know why! The coffee shop was full this morning so I didn't get my daily dose of caffeine. |
| 17:02.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Better go do that now. |
| 17:05.02 | findlay | ~coffe Lone_Wanderer so he can fix my tubes |
| 17:05.20 | Lone_Wanderer | brb |
| 17:08.55 | dataw0lf | I will look on your treasures, gypsy, is this understood? |
| 17:09.48 | Jayce^ | Coxinha com queijo catipuri |
| 17:10.07 | elg | i just saw a funny thing, walking on campus |
| 17:11.10 | findlay | a clown handing out baloon animals to the student passers-by? |
| 17:11.42 | elg | girl in short skirt with backpack. backpack had somehow managed to grab her skirt and so was holding it up in the back exposing one bare cheek. she was talking with some guy and they were both apparently completely unaware. |
| 17:11.53 | elg | i was walking perpendicular, but there was a girl a few yards back that was obviously trying to figure out if/how to tell her |
| 17:13.14 | elg | lesson: if you're going to wear a short skirt, at least figure out how to keep it in place |
| 17:14.17 | findlay | there were no clowns nearby? |
| 17:14.39 | elg | no, but there was a frequent lunch-time clown at BYU for awhile |
| 17:14.44 | elg | he had a boom box and would direct traffic |
| 17:15.33 | QBFreak | findlay: elg was there |
| 17:16.16 | elg | ~seen timriker |
| 17:16.27 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #botpark, 1d 21h 23m 52s ago, saying: 'er pssql or however it's spelled.'. |
| 17:17.04 | Lone_Wanderer | elg: what school? |
| 17:18.33 | elg | nmsu |
| 17:18.40 | elg | normal everyday heathen school |
| 17:19.01 | elg | we do have a singles ward here |
| 17:19.08 | elg | that is apparently a full ward |
| 17:19.17 | elg | i've never gone to visit |
| 17:19.55 | findlay | because you're double? |
| 17:20.29 | elg | yessir |
| 17:22.57 | QBFreak | any integers? |
| 17:24.07 | elg | n > 2? southern utah |
| 17:29.25 | elg | which reminds me |
| 17:30.14 | elg | someone pointed out the other day that of all the presidential race candidates, mitt romney has had the fewest wives (1, still married) |
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| 17:31.27 | elg | ironic when some stll think mormon == polygamy :) |
| 17:32.18 | findlay | Obama is still married |
| 17:32.23 | findlay | he only married once |
| 17:32.32 | bonez39 | ah....it's a persistent notion about us...I doubt we'll ever shake it off...... |
| 17:32.46 | Jayce^ | elg, all the republican ones.. |
| 17:32.47 | elg | maybe it was republican candidates |
| 17:35.05 | atoponce | it never ceases to amaze me what a crappy browser ie is |
| 17:35.25 | elg | give it time |
| 17:35.56 | Lone_Wanderer | I wonder what it'd be like to be the president and try to date. |
| 17:36.08 | dataw0lf | easy. |
| 17:36.13 | atoponce | elg: i've given it more time than it's worth |
| 17:36.23 | Lone_Wanderer | SWM seeks SWF, heads of state preferred. |
| 17:36.25 | atoponce | elg: i'd like that time of my life back, if possible |
| 17:36.58 | elg | atoponce: I mean given more time you will come to the point where it will never surprise you how awful IE is |
| 17:37.03 | brac | I mean is this: Dec 29 22:10:41 localhost named[25713]: none:0: open: /etc/named.conf: permission denied error: squid:4 glob failed for /var/log/squid/*.log |
| 17:37.36 | findlay | dude, brac, that doesn't mean anything |
| 17:37.40 | atoponce | elg: nope. never happen. :) i'll always bee surprised |
| 17:38.09 | atoponce | be even |
| 17:38.36 | goozbach | why are squid and named trying to write to each other's files? |
| 17:38.46 | goozbach | brac: you should look into that |
| 17:40.01 | emcnabb | http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12355-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=31199&messageID=579074&start=44 |
| 17:40.50 | Lone_Wanderer | I mean that zebras are striped, and I'm just trying to bait brac into saying something weird again. |
| 17:41.16 | Lone_Wanderer | meh |
| 17:41.28 | elg | emcnabb: whoa, that makes absolutely no sense |
| 17:41.32 | elg | linux runs under XP? |
| 17:42.01 | findlay | only if you've booted into plan9 |
| 17:42.18 | goozbach | sjansen: what was that fancy new resolution you were talking about? |
| 17:42.56 | goozbach | was it WSXGA+ |
| 17:43.24 | sjansen | WUXGA |
| 17:43.42 | sjansen | Oh, wait, you're talking about the one above that... I don't remember. |
| 17:44.05 | findlay | thanks for the laugh of the day, emcnabb |
| 17:44.35 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 17:44.40 | dataw0lf | Linux users == PIRATES!ONE! |
| 17:44.49 | dataw0lf | I wonder which Microsoft exec wrote that one. |
| 17:45.01 | findlay | LINUX is an office alternative |
| 17:45.22 | dataw0lf | Linux was invented by Soviet Russia to infilitrate U.S. nuclear arms systems |
| 17:45.41 | goozbach | yay! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Video_Standards.svg |
| 17:45.51 | goozbach | I never have to be confused by resolutions again |
| 17:45.58 | goozbach | thank you wikipedia |
| 17:46.25 | findlay | goozbach: that's a cool image |
| 17:47.20 | tensai | user: my internet is broke. please fix it. |
| 17:47.29 | tensai | us: ok, when can we come out and look at it? |
| 17:47.40 | tensai | user: don't come over to my house |
| 17:47.45 | tensai | us: uh, ok... |
| 17:48.20 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 17:52.22 | sjansen | tensai: Ask the user to bring the Internet to your office you can try to find the problem. |
| 17:52.40 | tensai | sjansen: that's not bad at all... |
| 17:53.07 | findlay | then you can h4x0r it with your supreme perl skillz |
| 17:56.50 | mrpull | do you suppose navteq wants this directory public? |
| 17:56.51 | mrpull | http://www.navteq.com/webapps/ |
| 17:58.01 | sjansen | Oh, great, now we're all going to be accused of hacking into navteq. |
| 17:58.21 | goozbach | hmm is 1680x1050 sufficent resolution? |
| 17:58.24 | findlay | LINUX(R) USERZ! |
| 17:58.26 | sjansen | no |
| 17:58.33 | mrpull | heh... no no hacking here |
| 17:58.47 | sjansen | nothing less than 1920x1200 is sufficient |
| 17:58.50 | mrpull | i really just wanted to see the new 3d models of cities and was annoyed that it didn't work |
| 17:58.51 | goozbach | I'm asuming that sjansen's no was directed at me |
| 17:59.23 | findlay | logical |
| 18:02.13 | goozbach | but sjansen there' aren't any thinkpads with that resoultion yet |
| 18:02.32 | sjansen | that's why you should hold out a couple months more, they're coming |
| 18:02.53 | sjansen | I'm planning on buying a WUXGA Thinkpad around May-ish. |
| 18:02.58 | findlay | I'm waiting for epaper |
| 18:03.08 | findlay | I want it! |
| 18:04.49 | *** join/#utah sudhanwa (n=sudhanwa@219.91.159.66) |
| 18:05.40 | sjansen | I'm trying to find the IBM spec sheet with a listed release date, but seem to have misplaced it. |
| 18:06.44 | ^Migs^ | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6457467.stm |
| 18:06.45 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Entertainment | Star Wars' R2-D2 to collect post] |
| 18:07.15 | sjansen | ~defeat elg |
| 18:07.16 | ibot | ACTION declares sjansen the winner and elg the "runner-up"! |
| 18:08.36 | herlo | which is essentially the first loser! |
| 18:09.59 | tensai | mrpull: if you have something to hide you must be a criminal, ergo navteq is not a criminal |
| 18:10.10 | mrpull | tensai: good logic. |
| 18:10.47 | Lone_Wanderer | How well is the label tag supported currently? |
| 18:11.22 | sjansen | ~hide elg |
| 18:11.25 | ibot | ACTION gets a huge black sheet and covers elg with it so that nobody can see what elg is doing! |
| 18:12.26 | Lone_Wanderer | d'oh, wrong channel |
| 18:12.34 | goozbach | well sjansen when you get around to purchasing your laptop, let me know, so I can copy you |
| 18:12.44 | goozbach | because I just want to be like you |
| 18:13.17 | sjansen | everyone does it seems |
| 18:13.19 | findlay | but you're going to be sorely dissapointed when you see my e-paper laptop |
| 18:13.22 | graphyx | -chat about like sjansen |
| 18:13.22 | brac | like sjansen and goozbach: thanks a lot of clubbers here. |
| 18:13.52 | graphyx | findlay: when will you be getting that one? |
| 18:14.02 | findlay | whenever it's available |
| 18:14.05 | brac | whenever it's available on the way they were a ##php regular. :) |
| 18:14.06 | levi | I certainly don't want to be any more like sjansen than I already am. |
| 18:14.14 | findlay | heh |
| 18:14.43 | graphyx | I wouldn't mind being like sjansen as far as linux skills go |
| 18:14.48 | goozbach | of course sjansen, I bought a thinkpad LONG before you. |
| 18:14.51 | sjansen | levi: What's that supposed to mean? |
| 18:14.53 | atoponce | http://www.askugg.com/2007/03/15/i-think-my-wife-is-cheating-on-me-why-men-are-never-published-in-dear-abby/ |
| 18:16.58 | graphyx | thats funny |
| 18:18.56 | findlay | dude, valve rocker cover gaskets are a cinch to replace |
| 18:19.02 | levi | sjansen: No offense intended. Do you really think I'd make a good you? I'm an emacs user, and not about to give it up! |
| 18:19.13 | atoponce | findlay: easier than a new wife, i gather |
| 18:19.15 | sjansen | ~offend levi |
| 18:19.17 | atoponce | :) |
| 18:19.21 | findlay | no kidding |
| 18:20.52 | findlay | ~ping rsimpkins |
| 18:20.53 | ibot | pong rsimpkins |
| 18:21.24 | findlay | rsimpkins: please meet your party at the customer service desk |
| 18:22.17 | sjansen | levi: So I'm unworthy of emacs? Is that what you're saying? You seem to think I'm offended. So you think I'm emotionally unstable? I'm too emotionally unstable to ever be able to use emacs? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?! |
| 18:24.19 | elg | ~distract sjansen |
| 18:24.23 | ibot | ACTION puts on a black wig and saunters past sjansen with a cold beer in her hand. "Hello, sailor! Wanna go for a ride?" |
| 18:24.23 | findlay | ok, so why does the ImageMagick-devel rpm not provide magick/MagickCore.h? |
| 18:25.44 | findlay | -chat about ibot is |
| 18:25.45 | brac | ibot is wierd and old, which reminds me of the box, it's Ip address of your linode on port 6011 and getting a class where the media companies sell the cisco on a GUI in general? |
| 18:26.39 | sjansen | ibot: You seem to have mistaken me for someone else. |
| 18:26.51 | sudhanwa | this ibot seems to be interesting :-) |
| 18:27.03 | levi | -chat about findlay is |
| 18:27.04 | brac | findlay is stuck to Python, some say better, others don't either. |
| 18:27.18 | jsmith | -chat about levi is |
| 18:27.19 | brac | levi is my life |
| 18:27.30 | levi | Uh. |
| 18:27.40 | findlay | you know, brac has a lot of insight in his rusty, old silicon parts |
| 18:27.49 | sudhanwa | and the PLUG website is also intersting.. |
| 18:27.59 | findlay | -chat about PLUG website |
| 18:28.00 | brac | PLUG website going to patent for the screen |
| 18:28.21 | sudhanwa | how many people you have on the mailing list? |
| 18:28.42 | sjansen | 10 gajillion bazillion, give or take a trillion |
| 18:29.07 | sudhanwa | sjansen: ok. let some trillion go |
| 18:31.57 | sudhanwa | -chat about sudhanwa |
| 18:31.57 | brac | sudhanwa is |
| 18:32.38 | findlay | -chat abot rsimpkins |
| 18:32.39 | brac | abot rsimpkins |
| 18:32.48 | findlay | whatever |
| 18:33.04 | sudhanwa | -chat about sudhanwa website |
| 18:33.05 | brac | sudhanwa website |
| 18:33.08 | atoponce | ~spelling findlay |
| 18:33.32 | sudhanwa | -chat about sudhanwa is |
| 18:33.32 | brac | sudhanwa is |
| 18:33.59 | sudhanwa | ~distract sudhanwa |
| 18:34.00 | ibot | ACTION puts on a brunet wig and saunters past sudhanwa with a cold beer in her hand. "Hello, sailor! Wanna go for a ride?" |
| 18:34.33 | findlay | -chat about brac is |
| 18:34.34 | brac | brac is smarter than we know |
| 18:34.51 | graphyx | -chat about ibot is |
| 18:34.51 | brac | ibot is female, etc. |
| 18:35.09 | atoponce | ~gender |
| 18:35.11 | ibot | I'm not sure |
| 18:35.14 | graphyx | -chat about i am |
| 18:35.14 | brac | i am going to setup a blog "whitepost" about where the insanely large tarball of music based on your festiva? |
| 18:35.20 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 18:35.22 | ibot | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 18:35.30 | atoponce | ~gender |
| 18:35.31 | ibot | I'm pregnant |
| 18:35.36 | levi | Music based on a festiva. Interesting. |
| 18:35.38 | sudhanwa | looks like ibot is ready to go for a ride with everybody !!! :) |
| 18:35.40 | atoponce | that was quick |
| 18:36.18 | sudhanwa | no wonder she is pregnant!! LOL |
| 18:36.43 | findlay | ~shoot brac |
| 18:36.45 | ibot | ACTION shoots brac in the ear with a spitwad! |
| 18:38.01 | graphyx | -chat about a spitwad |
| 18:38.02 | brac | a spitwad |
| 18:41.38 | sudhanwa | well, thats enough fun..just wanted to meet you people from PLUG. |
| 18:42.28 | findlay | yeah! we're famous! |
| 18:43.19 | sudhanwa | I am also from PLUG but from a different place.www.plug.org.in. wanted to ping Ryan Simpkins. |
| 18:43.53 | sudhanwa | anyway.. some other time... bye for now. Good night... or should I say Good Marning!!!?? |
| 18:43.54 | findlay | there seems to be lots of plugs around |
| 18:44.11 | findlay | it's about 1 PM here |
| 18:44.12 | levi | sudhanwa: Good afternoon will do. :) |
| 18:45.41 | sudhanwa | whatever!! 10 gajillion bazillion microseconds time difference, give or take a trillion :-) |
| 18:45.45 | sudhanwa | anyway |
| 18:45.50 | goozbach | adios |
| 18:46.01 | goozbach | hasta la byebye |
| 18:46.09 | sudhanwa | bye bye. see you some time. Adios. Hasta pronto!! |
| 18:46.14 | findlay | ~farewell sudhanwa |
| 18:49.23 | *** part/#utah sudhanwa (n=sudhanwa@219.91.159.66) |
| 18:55.03 | atoponce | ok. i give. how do you set factiod 'x is <action> gives <nick> a cup' for example? |
| 18:56.02 | findlay | atoponce: /msg ibot factoid $atoponce is <action> gives $atoponce a cup of trinitrotoluene |
| 18:56.30 | atoponce | findlay: but, what about '~x <nick>'? |
| 18:56.40 | findlay | that's it |
| 18:56.58 | findlay | ~factoid atoponce |
| 18:57.11 | goozbach | any $named varible other than $who |
| 18:57.19 | findlay | or $nick |
| 18:57.20 | goozbach | I use $sjansen |
| 18:57.30 | findlay | $nick is the issuer's nick |
| 18:57.31 | goozbach | he uses $goozbach |
| 18:57.54 | goozbach | $nick or $who |
| 19:09.39 | tensai | ~brac $findlay is <reply> $findlay and my lappy sitting next to me, this is the guest sees it as a template ahoy matey! |
| 19:09.39 | ibot | okay, tensai |
| 19:10.39 | findlay | ~brac tensai |
| 19:11.17 | tensai | ibot: hello? |
| 19:11.17 | ibot | Howdy Bub |
| 19:11.42 | findlay | ~hello ibot |
| 19:11.50 | atoponce | same problem i was having. thought it was just me |
| 19:11.51 | findlay | ~shoot stuff |
| 19:12.15 | tensai | ~brac $foo is bar |
| 19:12.16 | ibot | ...but cmd: brac (.*?) is already something else... |
| 19:12.26 | tensai | that's odd. why won't she respond? |
| 19:12.35 | findlay | it does that sometimes |
| 19:12.50 | tensai | ~reboot |
| 19:12.51 | ibot | Not on your life cowboy :(, or are you using Window$? |
| 19:13.03 | findlay | ~shutdown |
| 19:14.36 | ^Migs^ | wtf, a mobile PC extension for our server would cost anywhere from $50,000 to $500,000 |
| 19:15.34 | atoponce | and windows tco is supposed to be cheaper than linux... |
| 19:15.46 | atoponce | ~fry slashdot |
| 19:21.17 | findlay | argh why is this being so difficult? |
| 19:21.36 | harleypig | two tubes of k-y jelly, a potato and a spatula |
| 19:22.36 | harleypig | and a bottle of chocolate syrup |
| 19:25.38 | findlay | harleypig: that may or may not be part of the solution |
| 19:26.00 | findlay | what's Kentucky jelly? |
| 19:26.18 | harleypig | o_O |
| 19:26.51 | harleypig | took me a minute. |
| 19:27.51 | harleypig | Do *NOT* search for those terms on Google with safe search turned off. |
| 19:28.08 | harleypig | At least at work. |
| 19:31.04 | levi | Is there a particular search result that combines all those terms, or are there just a lot of non-work-safe results associated with them? |
| 19:31.27 | findlay | still, I don't see what it has to do with NFS |
| 19:32.11 | levi | findlay: The k-y jelly keeps the internets moving smoothly through the tubes. |
| 19:32.36 | findlay | ah |
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| 19:35.32 | harleypig | levi: just a lot of nsfw results. |
| 19:35.55 | harleypig | and the potato is for the potato gun. |
| 19:35.59 | levi | Ahh. Good. Because I'd hate to think that there's some link out there that actually combines all those terms. |
| 19:36.26 | harleypig | hmm ... now I need to scour the results to see if any do ... oh, wait ... I can prepend a + in front of those ... |
| 19:37.08 | harleypig | 16 hits for +"k-y jelly" +potato +spatula +"chocolate syrup" |
| 19:37.49 | levi | That's scary. |
| 19:38.19 | harleypig | The first link is to bondage.com ... I don't think I have to go there to see what it is. |
| 19:38.53 | harleypig | The rest look like they are spamtraps or spam sites. |
| 19:39.01 | levi | Huh. |
| 19:39.18 | levi | I guess some people get pretty creative with their deviancies. |
| 19:39.23 | brac | I guess I set it +i (invite only on elater on |
| 19:39.43 | harleypig | brac has a bondage channel (invite only)? |
| 19:39.43 | brac | *shrug* |
| 19:40.01 | harleypig | brac, what do I have to do to you to get an invite? |
| 19:40.02 | brac | dunno |
| 19:40.05 | brac | oops, wrong channel |
| 19:40.09 | harleypig | :D |
| 19:40.16 | findlay | heh |
| 19:40.28 | harleypig | brac, wanna chat? |
| 19:40.29 | brac | dunno |
| 19:40.44 | harleypig | brac, asl? |
| 19:40.45 | brac | *shrug* |
| 19:40.48 | harleypig | meh |
| 19:40.54 | findlay | #brac |
| 19:40.57 | harleypig | loses its humour quickly |
| 19:41.20 | levi | brac, what do I do with a potato, spatula, chocolate syrup, and two tubes of k-y jelly? |
| 19:41.21 | brac | I can't do that Dave. |
| 19:41.28 | findlay | heh |
| 19:41.40 | levi | I'm not Dave, but I think I know what you mean. |
| 19:42.01 | harleypig | brac, what can I do with a potato, a spatula, a bottle of chocolate syrup and two tubes of k-y jelly? |
| 19:42.01 | brac | ...eh? |
| 19:42.05 | ^Migs^ | http://www.talibanfriendfinder.com/ |
| 19:42.08 | brac | [TalibanFriendFinder: The world's largest dating community for muslims and suicide bombers] |
| 19:42.30 | levi | Hmm, I wonder what happens when you throw a cornish hen into the mix? |
| 19:42.44 | harleypig | alive or dead? |
| 19:42.54 | Jayce^ | levi, stop giving harley ideas.... |
| 19:45.00 | macnewbold | I bet that site is just filled with gold diggers... they find a wealthy suicide bomber, get hitched (no pre-nup) and wait for him to have a successful mission |
| 19:45.05 | macnewbold | lather, rinse, repeat |
| 19:45.24 | harleypig | err ... they don't bathe, so lather and rinse would be out. |
| 19:46.21 | ^Migs^ | uh oh |
| 19:46.29 | ^Migs^ | don't go to that site. It's apparently NSFW. |
| 19:46.54 | ^Migs^ | if you click around at least |
| 19:48.12 | levi | So, here's an interesting set of lecture transcriptions regarding quantum computing: http://www.scottaaronson.com/democritus/lec1.html |
| 19:48.14 | brac | [PHYS771 Lecture 1: Atoms and the Void] |
| 19:49.07 | elg | is reading them like attending lecture? i don't think I'd stand much chance at understanding physics 771 lectures |
| 19:51.39 | levi | The first lecture and the most recent ones were pretty interesting and understandable. I haven't looked at the others yet. |
| 19:53.25 | levi | Lecture two contains a 'proof by pizza' that A = pi * r^2 |
| 19:57.00 | harleypig | ^Migs^: Which site? The bondage.com site? |
| 19:57.13 | levi | Skimming through a few of them leads me to believe that they ought to be very understandable to you, elg. |
| 19:59.18 | levi | elg: "By any objective standard, the theory of computational complexity ranks as one of the greatest intellectual achievements of humankind -- along with fire, the wheel, and computability theory. That it isn't taught in high schools is really just an accident of history." |
| 19:59.37 | levi | This guy is pretty funny. :) |
| 20:03.27 | ^Migs^ | harleypig: No the one I just linked |
| 20:03.54 | harleypig | Oh, the talibanfriendfinder |
| 20:04.01 | harleypig | yeah, I noticed a few ... nsfws |
| 20:04.38 | elg | yeah he is pretty funny |
| 20:09.21 | sjansen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imgpC-4JqgU |
| 20:09.33 | levi | elg: "One interesting little puzzle, which I'll leave as a homework exercise for Tuesday, is whether P equals NP. In other words, if you can recognize an answer efficiently, can you also find one efficiently?" |
| 20:09.59 | elg | hehe |
| 20:10.08 | sjansen | heh |
| 20:12.49 | levi | Then he gives them until Thursday. |
| 20:13.28 | ^Migs^ | that was a lame commercial |
| 20:14.15 | macnewbold | that's not a very hard problem to answer, though, levi - searching for an answer is much more time consuming than simply recognizing one |
| 20:14.44 | levi | macnewbold: Heh. Prove that P is not equal to NP, then. |
| 20:15.08 | findlay | easy |
| 20:15.09 | findlay | N = 1 |
| 20:15.28 | levi | findlay: You don't get to change what P and NP mean, though. |
| 20:15.29 | macnewbold | for P!=0, P!=NP |
| 20:16.15 | levi | macnewbold: You need to brush up on your complexity theory. P and NP are not variables, they are complexity classes. |
| 20:16.43 | macnewbold | :) |
| 20:16.44 | macnewbold | I know |
| 20:16.50 | macnewbold | ~wiki gullible |
| 20:16.50 | findlay | whatever |
| 20:16.54 | findlay | I still say N = 1 |
| 20:16.59 | tene | ~wiki macnewbold |
| 20:17.04 | tene | ~macnewbold wiki |
| 20:17.18 | findlay | tene = 1 |
| 20:17.46 | macnewbold | levi: why bother proving an answer if I already know the answer? |
| 20:17.50 | macnewbold | if you want proof, do it yourself |
| 20:17.51 | levi | macnewbold: Well, your initial comment was plausible enough to be a true expression of naivete. |
| 20:17.56 | macnewbold | I'm already satisfied |
| 20:18.02 | macnewbold | yeah, I'm good at that I guess? |
| 20:18.05 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 20:18.45 | elg | ¡viva spring break! |
| 20:19.02 | levi | elg: Does yours start next week? |
| 20:24.12 | elg | well, I suppose it started an hour ago |
| 20:25.07 | sjansen | Spring break is for chumps. |
| 20:25.37 | elg | ~chump sjansen |
| 20:26.26 | levi | elg: I only got Wed-Fri off this week. And I don't have class on Friday anyway. |
| 20:30.25 | levi | "The king of these natural NP-complete problems is called 3-Satisfiability, or 3SAT. (How do I know it's the king? Because it appeared on the TV show "NUMB3RS.")" |
| 20:46.47 | atoponce | lol |
| 20:47.01 | atoponce | gdesklets.org is in german, and gdesklets.de is in english... |
| 20:48.12 | tene | o.O |
| 20:49.01 | atoponce | oh |
| 20:49.03 | atoponce | even better |
| 20:49.32 | atoponce | gdesklets.org is in english, it's www.gdesklets.org that's in german |
| 20:49.42 | ^Migs^ | http://www.tedsmontanagrill.com/locations.html <-- No Montana |
| 20:49.46 | brac | [Ted's Montana Grill] |
| 20:54.07 | goozbach | ^Migs^: of course not, the locals would easlily be able to tell it's not from Montana |
| 20:54.12 | harleypig | Speaking of gdesklets ... anything approaching OSX's expose for KDE? |
| 20:58.11 | *** join/#utah findlay (n=justin@67.137.24.115) |
| 20:58.22 | harleypig | that's newer than 2004 |
| 20:59.04 | tene | harleypig: there's similar functionality in compiz and the like... never used OSX Expose, so dunno exactly how similar it is. |
| 20:59.18 | tene | There's also an app called 'skippy' that has been around for a decent while |
| 20:59.37 | findlay | hello |
| 20:59.50 | tene | findlay: seventeen |
| 21:00.05 | ^Migs^ | what does it mean to bounce a server? |
| 21:00.06 | harleypig | tene: url? |
| 21:00.09 | harleypig | for skippy |
| 21:00.20 | findlay | 17? |
| 21:00.23 | harleypig | ^Migs^: If you get the height just right, it'll bounce when dropped. |
| 21:00.49 | harleypig | tene: I can't get beryl or compiz to work |
| 21:00.51 | ^Migs^ | do I need to stick rubber pads on the bottom first? |
| 21:01.46 | macnewbold | "just right" - as in somewhere between the height required for a single thud, and the height at which it breaks into many pieces |
| 21:02.10 | macnewbold | fwiw, I think bounce might refer to rebooting/restarting/HUPping it or one of its services |
| 21:02.29 | ^Migs^ | ok |
| 21:02.43 | ^Migs^ | thanks |
| 21:02.58 | tene | harleypig: http://thegraveyard.org/skippy.php |
| 21:02.59 | brac | [TheGraveyard.org :: Skippy - Where taskbars fail] |
| 21:03.17 | goozbach | ^Migs^: 7-12 feet usually |
| 21:03.34 | goozbach | unless it's a hardened rackmount case |
| 21:03.59 | goozbach | at which point it needs to be somewhere in the 15' to 20' range |
| 21:04.21 | goozbach | flipping the little red switch on the powersupply helps too |
| 21:04.37 | goozbach | you have to do it repetedly, as it collects a lot of dust |
| 21:07.43 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.livingstonmontana.com/access/dan/191magicswitch.html |
| 21:07.45 | brac | [Magic Switch] |
| 21:07.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Magic and More Magic |
| 21:07.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Good story. |
| 21:08.57 | goozbach | I was more channeling an early BOFH |
| 21:11.24 | Lone_Wanderer | I saw Breach the other day. |
| 21:11.59 | Lone_Wanderer | It includes several technically offensive "computer"-related dialogues. |
| 21:13.43 | atoponce | you mean this switch? http://qdb.us/32511 |
| 21:13.44 | tene | "Breach"? |
| 21:13.45 | brac | [QDB: Quote #32511] |
| 21:14.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes, it's a movie. |
| 21:14.12 | Lone_Wanderer | With a girl in it who looks like my friend Mika. |
| 21:15.35 | Lone_Wanderer | atoponce: beautiful |
| 21:16.11 | atoponce | language is a little rough, but i love it |
| 21:17.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Does this have a separate DB from Bash? |
| 21:18.00 | atoponce | yeah |
| 21:18.12 | atoponce | i think it's actually updated |
| 21:18.26 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
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| 21:49.28 | sjansen | ~seen herlo |
| 21:50.08 | ibot | herlo is currently on #ubuntu-utah (6d 17h 41m 22s) #utah (6d 17h 41m 22s) #uphpu (6d 17h 41m 22s). Has said a total of 194 messages. Is idling for 3h 41m 33s, last said: 'which is essentially the first loser!'. |
| 21:51.36 | herlo | sjansen: im here! |
| 21:55.44 | mheath | Wow |
| 21:55.49 | *** join/#utah beandog (n=sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog) |
| 21:56.41 | mheath | ~lart having large portions of your time taken because stupid people keep being stupid |
| 21:57.14 | mheath | I'll put up with the crap during the week. Thats a given. But the weekends are MINE, you understand? |
| 21:57.15 | mheath | Grr. |
| 21:58.19 | *** part/#utah beandog (n=sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog) |
| 21:59.12 | atoponce | the piano must have fallen on beandog... |
| 22:02.25 | emcnabb | mheath: yes sir |
| 22:03.17 | mheath | emcnabb, Sorry. Just frustrating when I, say, lose out on huge chunks of my limited free time because of other peoples utter stupidity. |
| 22:03.24 | mheath | No fault of my own. |
| 22:03.44 | dataw0lf | mheath: thank god you're not going into combat |
| 22:03.56 | mheath | dataw0lf, thank god my shipmates aren't going into combat. |
| 22:04.18 | dataw0lf | no, thank god YOU're not going into combat. |
| 22:04.27 | dataw0lf | You always seem to relegate responsibility to someone else. |
| 22:04.38 | dataw0lf | If they're failing, you're just as much to blame as them. |
| 22:04.44 | dataw0lf | That's how the Army works, anyways. |
| 22:05.23 | mheath | dataw0lf, I know thats true in oh-we're-such-a-merry-bunch-of-equally-responsible-sailors theory |
| 22:05.32 | mheath | But not in reality. People jack up, and they're the ones that jacked up. Not me. |
| 22:05.41 | dataw0lf | sure, that's always the case. |
| 22:06.01 | dataw0lf | but when you complain about them, and blame them, that speaks volumes about YOU, not THEM. |
| 22:06.08 | dataw0lf | see |
| 22:06.09 | mheath | dataw0lf, And I usually don't complain about my shipmates. I support them and DO take the responsibility. |
| 22:06.12 | dataw0lf | you haven't learned that yet. |
| 22:06.20 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 22:06.20 | mheath | But after we've been kept after class (IE, kept during our free time) for the 6th time |
| 22:06.28 | dataw0lf | yea, it's called the military |
| 22:06.30 | dataw0lf | live it |
| 22:06.31 | dataw0lf | learn it |
| 22:06.32 | dataw0lf | love it |
| 22:06.41 | mheath | Being told how to do the same basic thing |
| 22:06.46 | findlay | how do you take a directory out of subversion control? |
| 22:07.00 | dataw0lf | findlay: delete |
| 22:07.08 | findlay | but I don't want it deleted |
| 22:07.09 | mheath | While the offending person sits and doesn't pay attention, laughs, and then HE complains to all of us about how long he had to wait there.... |
| 22:07.23 | dataw0lf | mheath: your BASIC sucked if you can't grasp this simple concept |
| 22:07.45 | findlay | dataw0lf: so `svn delete dir` won't remove dir? |
| 22:08.26 | mheath | dataw0lf, No, our basic sucked because it didn't teach people to follow orders. |
| 22:08.36 | mheath | Because we wouldn't be having these problems in the first place if it did. |
| 22:08.54 | dataw0lf | mheath: that's a problem inherent in any military organization. |
| 22:09.06 | dataw0lf | mheath: it's not their fault. You should be giving shower parties. |
| 22:09.11 | mheath | I get in trouble because people in my class do things like say "My bad, dude" to a high ranking NCO when they're an E-3. |
| 22:09.22 | mheath | I will support my shipmates and tolerate them, and share the responsibility |
| 22:09.24 | findlay | nope |
| 22:09.30 | mheath | But I expect a certain baseline of preformance |
| 22:09.30 | findlay | `svn delete` removes the dir |
| 22:10.37 | dataw0lf | mheath: You never expect a certain baseline of performance UNLESS you're a leader |
| 22:10.43 | dataw0lf | which, honestly, it's obvious you're not. |
| 22:11.02 | sontek | findlay: just remove the .svn folder |
| 22:11.12 | mheath | dataw0lf, no, let me put it this way. |
| 22:11.33 | findlay | sontek: I'm afraid of doing that for sabotaging subversion :) |
| 22:11.35 | mheath | When someone gives rediculously simple, basic instructions, I expect people to be able to follow them. |
| 22:11.38 | *** join/#utah Lone_Wanderer (n=chatzill@cg.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 22:11.40 | dataw0lf | mheath: I've run into every soup sandwich that's available |
| 22:11.43 | dataw0lf | whether in combat or not |
| 22:11.47 | dataw0lf | trust me, I know |
| 22:11.52 | dataw0lf | you're an idiot |
| 22:11.56 | dataw0lf | because you're not taking control |
| 22:12.01 | findlay | besides, the repositry doesn't know you want it removed |
| 22:12.01 | dataw0lf | your classes obviously lack leadership |
| 22:12.14 | dataw0lf | and the instructors are WAITING for one of you to take said leadership |
| 22:12.19 | mheath | dataw0lf, No |
| 22:12.23 | mheath | This is the Navy, not the Marine Corps or the Army |
| 22:12.29 | dataw0lf | we'll see |
| 22:12.39 | Lone_Wanderer | He's right. |
| 22:12.43 | findlay | dataw0lf: see, the navy doesn't *need* leaders :) |
| 22:12.47 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't even know the situation, and he's definitely right. |
| 22:12.48 | dataw0lf | I'm going out with a girl, enjoy your misspent time in the military if you don't think that applies to everyone. |
| 22:12.49 | mheath | The instructors appoint really bad leaders, and get pissed off if anyone tries to assume any control or help. |
| 22:12.56 | Lone_Wanderer | The military is about culturing leadership. |
| 22:13.21 | mheath | Then they give a "Leadership" score on the bi-yearly evals of said not-really-leaders-but-leaders-in name |
| 22:13.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Then you have to lead in stealth mode. "Sir, if I may make a suggestion..." etc. |
| 22:13.27 | mheath | Enabling said fake leaders to get promoted faster |
| 22:13.34 | Lone_Wanderer | When no-one else is around, so they don't look dumb. |
| 22:14.31 | dataw0lf | mheath: my last word: instructors appoint bad leaders intentionally. It's all about whomever is a natural leader, and takes over and leads a unit/class/whatever to prosperity. |
| 22:14.35 | dataw0lf | just saying. |
| 22:14.42 | dataw0lf | now I gotta go out with this girl, cya. ;) |
| 22:15.00 | findlay | sure |
| 22:15.47 | sontek | find . -name .svn -type d -exec rm -rf {} \; |
| 22:15.55 | sontek | that'll get it from svn control |
| 22:16.14 | findlay | sontek: but the next time you do `svn update` it will bring it back |
| 22:16.34 | Lone_Wanderer | mheath: He's right. But if you don't believe him, then all that means is that he's still right but that you're not the one to step up and take control. |
| 22:16.49 | sontek | findlay: that'll remove it from svn control locally, then you just tell svn to delete it |
| 22:17.21 | findlay | how do you tell svn to do that? svn delete? |
| 22:17.51 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer, The problem is not something that class leadership can fix. |
| 22:18.19 | mheath | Because it is a problem with individuals dealing directly with people higher up in the chain of the command. |
| 22:18.51 | mheath | The official leadership structure is a joke. Like I said, gets them a leadership on evals. Thats it. thats all it does. |
| 22:20.20 | mheath | Yeah, you can make suggestions, help out shipmates, and 'lead' in class, but...come on. It's a small group going to class. |
| 22:20.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Whiney whiney. |
| 22:20.38 | levi | Whine whine whine, moan moan moan. |
| 22:20.52 | Lone_Wanderer | All I hear is "I'm not a natural leader." |
| 22:21.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Because if you were, you'd see what needs to be done, and do it. |
| 22:22.07 | harleypig | and either do it in such a way that nobody gets into trouble or you take the heat for your team. |
| 22:22.43 | mheath | I agree with that entirely |
| 22:23.04 | mheath | I really can't explain the current situation, but its really not something one can fix in a leadership capacity. |
| 22:23.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Incidentally, the best leaders are those who are also the best at following orders. |
| 22:23.34 | mheath | I can't 'take charge' and solve the problem. |
| 22:23.43 | levi | mheath: Why don't you start a conversation about something interesting, i.e. not yourself? I know that you find your own predicament very frustrating, but we just don't care that much. |
| 22:23.58 | Lone_Wanderer | mheath: If you haven't read Necronomycon (sp?) yet, buy it and read it. |
| 22:24.03 | mheath | It's problems with, for example, a shipmate being 30 minutes late in the morning. Even though I and others knock on his door, check on him, buy him a new alarm clock. |
| 22:24.30 | Lone_Wanderer | You're being far too gentle. |
| 22:24.30 | emcnabb | levi: amen |
| 22:24.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Is there a free bucket around? Do you have access to ice at random hours? |
| 22:25.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Bust in at four in the morning, dump the ice water on his head, and he'll never be late again. |
| 22:25.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Replacing "four in the morning" with about a half hour before he needs to get up in order to be on time. |
| 22:26.00 | mheath | levi: Other people apparently don't feel so. I say a couple lines venting a bit, and it turns into a lengthy discussion about how all of my shipmates problems are my problem because I don't posess enough leadership skill. |
| 22:26.16 | Lone_Wanderer | I feel so. |
| 22:26.16 | tensai | no, no. I think there are a lot of people who don't care. |
| 22:26.28 | emcnabb | mheath: honestly, we all like to mock you |
| 22:26.33 | levi | mheath: That's because they're trying to get you to shut up, and you're not taking the hint. |
| 22:26.45 | levi | mheath: You're being rude, so they're insulting you. |
| 22:26.57 | mheath | levi: How am I being rude? |
| 22:27.00 | emcnabb | I know come 5pm every day, I get a vent a little of work's stress |
| 22:27.11 | levi | mheath: Sharing every minute detail of your problems with people who don't care is rude. |
| 22:27.33 | mheath | No. I did not share every minute detail. |
| 22:27.33 | findlay | and that's when emcnabb likes to work on all the bugs that I have to deal with |
| 22:27.43 | levi | mheath: You shared enough to be rude, though! |
| 22:27.46 | mheath | I made a very generalized statement about dislking it when stupid peopels problems effect me. |
| 22:27.55 | mheath | And other people started a conversation with me. |
| 22:28.00 | levi | mheath: It's not like this is an isolated incident. |
| 22:28.01 | mheath | I particpated in said conversation, yes |
| 22:28.10 | mheath | But you can't pretend like I'm the only one thats been talking. |
| 22:28.25 | Lone_Wanderer | mheath: You talk about yourself constantly, and almost all of it is whining. Nobody here really cares. |
| 22:28.35 | levi | mheath: It's that the vast majority of your communication here is about your stupid problems with your military life. |
| 22:28.44 | emcnabb | mheath: you really summed it up: I dislike it when stupid people's problems (like you) effect me! |
| 22:28.47 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@216.31.27.110) |
| 22:28.52 | elg | lol |
| 22:28.56 | elg | http://redhanded.hobix.com/cult/whatSWrongWithRubyHahYeahItSMe.html |
| 22:28.57 | brac | [RedHanded » What's Wrong with Ruby? Hah Yeah, It's Me!] |
| 22:29.20 | sjansen | I just sneezed, thought you should know. |
| 22:29.27 | sjansen | Sneezing is kinda annoying. |
| 22:29.30 | emcnabb | sjansen: did you clean it up? |
| 22:29.36 | sjansen | There's the liquid everywhere. |
| 22:29.36 | findlay | ~affect emcnabb |
| 22:29.37 | emcnabb | sjansen: what did you use? |
| 22:30.43 | sjansen | And then there's the sneezes that hurt. |
| 22:30.43 | emcnabb | sjansen: please tell me more! |
| 22:30.44 | sjansen | Man, I hate it when sneezes hurt. |
| 22:30.44 | levi | sjansen: Why don't you take responsibility for your sneezes? You're probably going to infect everyone! |
| 22:30.44 | findlay | and effect emcnabb |
| 22:30.44 | Lone_Wanderer | sjansen: Did you have to look at a light to make yourself sneeze, or did it come to fruition naturally? |
| 22:30.44 | emcnabb | sjansen: you puny maggot! give me 50! |
| 22:30.44 | findlay | and affect amcnabb |
| 22:30.44 | sjansen | It's not my fault, I'm probably sneezing because someone else forgot to cover their mouth when they sneezed. |
| 22:30.44 | emcnabb | findlay: yeah, I know, just was typing fast |
| 22:30.44 | findlay | :) |
| 22:30.44 | elg | there's nothing like sneezing underwater |
| 22:30.45 | Lone_Wanderer | If only you had better sneeze control skills! |
| 22:30.45 | sjansen | Why should I cover my mouth when the other person didn't cover his mouth? |
| 22:30.45 | emcnabb | findlay: you've proved you're smarter than me |
| 22:30.45 | elg | i should know, chlorine makes me sneeze |
| 22:30.51 | findlay | emcnabb: I know |
| 22:31.03 | sjansen | Ever sneeze and cought at the same time? |
| 22:31.19 | sjansen | Sneeze cough and hiccup? Man, that's the worst. |
| 22:31.21 | emcnabb | sjansen: please tell us more of your sneeze. we would like to know more |
| 22:31.33 | emcnabb | sjansen: your life interests me |
| 22:31.41 | sjansen | heh |
| 22:31.59 | sjansen | emcnabb: Sorry, I just can't keep it up any longer. |
| 22:32.19 | mheath | Holy crap I'm stressed out. I actually just got pissed off at an IRC conversation and chucked my mouse at a wall. |
| 22:32.31 | mheath | I've never done anything like that before. =\ |
| 22:32.51 | levi | That sounds like a good idea. |
| 22:32.52 | mheath | Need to get off this damn base. |
| 22:32.55 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 22:33.02 | levi | Please don't tell us about it afterward. |
| 22:33.14 | emcnabb | mheath: (simpsons quote) "Have a nice day, see you in hell!" |
| 22:33.17 | Lone_Wanderer | You could have just skipped everything about the mouse and just left. |
| 22:33.46 | sjansen | I sleep in a drawer. |
| 22:34.02 | emcnabb | mheath is like an abused spouse who keeps on coming back for more |
| 22:34.07 | emcnabb | who just can run away |
| 22:34.07 | Lone_Wanderer | sjansen's cat's breath smells like sjansen's cat's cat food. |
| 22:34.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, in all fairness, we're probably the only group of people outside of the mouth breathers he's in class with who will talk to him. |
| 22:34.41 | emcnabb | fly away little bluebird, fly away! |
| 22:35.31 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer, screw you. |
| 22:35.35 | sjansen | o/~ Not to put too fine a point on it, say I'm the only bee in your bonnet, build a little birdhouse in you soul. ~/o |
| 22:35.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Hey, you're the one in the Navy, not me. I don't swing that way. |
| 22:36.04 | emcnabb | Lone_Wanderer: it's ok to be gay, just don't tell us |
| 22:36.06 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 22:36.15 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer, Yah, possible criminal issues, academic issues, disciplinary issues, and medical issues! |
| 22:36.24 | mheath | I'm so whiny! My life is all freakin roses |
| 22:36.33 | mheath | Screw the fact taht I'm on the verge of being charged with fraudulent enlistment! |
| 22:36.38 | emcnabb | those are stinky roses |
| 22:36.43 | Lone_Wanderer | You are, mheath? |
| 22:36.51 | Lone_Wanderer | 'cause, dude, if that's the case, you have only yourself to blame. |
| 22:36.54 | levi | mheath: Did you miss the part where we told you we don't really want to hear about it? |
| 22:37.20 | emcnabb | mheath: the last time you went on a rampage you regretted it (remember you told us you were a quitter and lied about your knee)? |
| 22:37.59 | Lone_Wanderer | I *almost* consider it my duty as an American to inform the Navy about your knees. |
| 22:38.26 | mheath | I didn't lie about my knees. |
| 22:38.26 | levi | mheath: You have to build relationships with people before you dump all your problems on them. And then you have to dole your problems out carefully, lest you drive those friends you made away. I really do sympathize with you, but you're just making problems for yourself by the way you act in #utah. |
| 22:38.56 | mheath | If you disagree with that, perhaps you can discuss that with the corpsman who diagnosed me with miniscus damage by physical exam alone, without asking me a thing about my history. |
| 22:39.05 | Lone_Wanderer | But since you're not in a combat position, and because I'd feel like a jerk doing so, I probably won't. Also it'd be a lot of work - looking up my friends in the Pentagon, calling them, blah blah blah. |
| 22:39.13 | mheath | emcnabb misinterepted what I said and likes to bring it up as much as possible |
| 22:39.18 | mheath | Because emcnabb likes to irritate me. |
| 22:39.24 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 22:39.36 | emcnabb | mheath: I'm just warning you that you TELL US TOO MUCH |
| 22:39.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Everyone picks on you. |
| 22:39.43 | emcnabb | we have all of your conversations recorded |
| 22:39.57 | sjansen | I used to sympathize. Then I stopped. Some people are emotional vampires and nothing you can do will ever help them. They have to learn how to help themselves. |
| 22:40.19 | Lone_Wanderer | I vaaant to suuuch your soouuull |
| 22:40.22 | Lone_Wanderer | suck* |
| 22:40.24 | levi | sjansen: I said I sympathize. I don't do the empathy thing anymore, because that would be taxing. |
| 22:40.34 | sjansen | point |
| 22:40.41 | mheath | Sorry, I really don't mean to vent. I appologize. I usually do not vent like this. |
| 22:41.02 | emcnabb | mheath: you're like a needy girlfriend that won't stop nagging you |
| 22:41.03 | levi | mheath: Only just when you come on IRC, eh? That's the only way most of us know you. |
| 22:41.09 | mheath | I'm really not sure whats wrong me with me. I wasn't joking when I said I actually god mad and through the mouse at the wall. |
| 22:41.09 | emcnabb | mheath: we're trying to dump you! |
| 22:41.52 | levi | mheath: What's 'wrong' with you is that you come here and act in a very self-absorbed and argumentative manner. |
| 22:41.52 | mheath | levi: I know I talk about myself a lot. But I'm usually not like this. And I appologize. |
| 22:41.59 | mheath | I really don't know whats been up with me lately. |
| 22:42.09 | emcnabb | mheath: you've been like this for 3 years |
| 22:42.14 | brac | you've been sticking /boot? |
| 22:42.16 | emcnabb | it doesn't change |
| 22:42.23 | sjansen | emcnabb: Your sentence is a perfect example of why grammar nazis get upset about the use of second person when you (hah! I kill me!) really mean first, third or "one". |
| 22:42.50 | emcnabb | ~lart emcnabb |
| 22:43.14 | sjansen | emcnabb: I think you meant to say "you're like a needy girlfriend that won't stop nagging" |
| 22:43.27 | levi | mheath: I will provisionally accept your apology if you'll actually work on not being so self-absorbed and argumentative. |
| 22:43.31 | sjansen | emcnabb: See how much clearer the sentence is without the extra pronoun? |
| 22:43.46 | emcnabb | sjansen: you're right, please forgive me |
| 22:43.48 | elg | sjansen: perhaps, it should be "who won't stop" |
| 22:43.54 | Lone_Wanderer | sjansen: Heh, I see what you mean. |
| 22:43.56 | elg | is that really correct there? |
| 22:44.02 | elg | s/that/"that"/ |
| 22:44.15 | emcnabb | everyone pick on everyone else! |
| 22:44.23 | sjansen | emcnabb: I forgive you, but only if you promise to avoid making the same mistake in the future. |
| 22:44.28 | levi | Dogpile on emcnabb! |
| 22:44.36 | Lone_Wanderer | You're like a needy girlfriend who won't stop nagging |
| 22:44.38 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 22:44.38 | Lone_Wanderer | might be better |
| 22:44.43 | emcnabb | ~whaleslap levi |
| 22:44.44 | mheath | OK, I have to go. I really can't continue this conversation right now. regarrdless of if you say I'ma cting the same, I really feel....angry. violent. I have to cool down. I've been feeling like this all week, but I really have to cool down before I do something really stupid. |
| 22:44.48 | mheath | levi: I'll try |
| 22:45.03 | sjansen | elg: I think you're right. |
| 22:45.12 | sjansen | s/you're/your/ |
| 22:45.19 | emcnabb | sjansen: look at the grammar nazi now |
| 22:45.20 | elg | doh |
| 22:45.30 | elg | ~nazi sjansen |
| 22:45.34 | *** join/#utah TimRiker (n=timr@rikers.org) |
| 22:45.35 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 22:45.37 | elg | hi TimRiker |
| 22:45.43 | emcnabb | ok, if I want to see the game, I better leave now |
| 22:45.48 | sjansen | I invoke Godwin's law! You all automatically lose! |
| 22:45.53 | sjansen | I |
| 22:45.54 | sjansen | AM |
| 22:45.55 | sjansen | THE |
| 22:45.58 | sjansen | GREATEST |
| 22:46.00 | sjansen | ! |
| 22:46.07 | emcnabb | LOSER! |
| 22:46.17 | sjansen | emcnabb: I know you are, but what am I? |
| 22:46.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, he is pretty graceful when he loses, isn't he emcnabb? |
| 22:46.29 | emcnabb | Lone_Wanderer: yup |
| 22:46.35 | emcnabb | ok, must pull away from IRC |
| 22:46.46 | TimRiker | elg: sup? |
| 22:46.47 | elg | ~distract emcnabb |
| 22:47.17 | elg | TimRiker: I'm thinking of applying to soc for the headless AI client framework |
| 22:47.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Speaking of abuse, I just convinced my girlfriend to play wow with me. |
| 22:47.21 | sjansen | emcnabb: You know, only the first one's free. |
| 22:47.39 | TimRiker | soc? |
| 22:47.42 | elg | summer o' code |
| 22:47.43 | sjansen | emcnabb: At some point we're going to have to sit down and figure out how much you owe the rest of us. |
| 22:47.53 | TimRiker | ah. that would be cool. |
| 22:48.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Ohh, Summer of Code. |
| 22:48.09 | elg | it's not earmarked for someone else is it? |
| 22:48.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Maybe I'll do that this time. |
| 22:48.25 | TimRiker | nope. knock yourself out. |
| 22:48.52 | elg | I think it would be a cool project, and I know the people at BYU that tried something similar once |
| 22:49.25 | TimRiker | bzflag needs the websites merged. If I can dig up a machine I can host it at xmission in the fragfarm and move bzflag.org and my.bzflag.org there etc. as well as a game server. |
| 22:49.49 | levi | elg: Is there a link to the SoC project you're talking about? |
| 22:50.03 | TimRiker | wiki.b.o images.b.o etc could all be setup to use the same credentials. |
| 22:50.27 | elg | levi: for SoC? http://code.google.com/soc/ |
| 22:50.29 | brac | [Google Code - Summer of Code |
| 22:50.29 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.30 | brac | Google Summer of Code] |
| 22:50.44 | elg | for bzflag's project ideas, http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code |
| 22:51.58 | elg | TimRiker: i haven't looked closely at robocode, but iirc it's a system that runs the bots in-process right? |
| 22:52.35 | TimRiker | http://code.google.com/soc/bzflag/about.html has "We operate via a benevolent dictatorship..." heh. |
| 22:52.36 | brac | [Google Code - Summer of Code |
| 22:52.36 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.36 | brac | Organization Information] |
| 22:53.01 | elg | TimRiker: awesome. how does it feel to be a benevolent dictator? |
| 22:53.05 | brac | awesome. how does he have now?" |
| 22:53.47 | elg | ooh, a sick and unbenevolent dictator. even cooler |
| 22:53.47 | ScytheBlade1 | He lives! |
| 22:54.27 | TimRiker | elg: there's are a few different "robot" apis. |
| 22:54.50 | ScytheBlade1 | TimRiker, ibot/purl/brac/etc suggestion.. set mode I think +4 for the bots, so that non-registered nicks can read/send botmail |
| 22:54.53 | TimRiker | the byu one is basically headless (ie no gl) clients acting as bots. |
| 22:55.19 | TimRiker | ScytheBlade1: heh. there's enough spam botmail as it is. :) |
| 22:55.35 | ScytheBlade1 | TimRiker, kinda makes botmail useless then, given that noteserv requires registration too ;) |
| 22:56.12 | brac | TimRiker nods regally |
| 22:56.17 | elg | TimRiker: right, that's along the lines of what we need |
| 22:56.28 | elg | just something more easily scripted, right? |
| 22:56.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I was just chewed out a while ago in another channel for using ~onjoin to message someone, because botmail existed and I wasn't using it (and couldn't at the time) |
| 22:57.18 | elg | i'm thinking of an OSC interface, and maybe a robocode-based OSC client for it or something |
| 22:57.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh well. |
| 22:57.48 | TimRiker | elg: here's an idea: do a directx version of bzflag so I can get it running on my xbox. oh, yeah and someone will want it on vista someday. |
| 22:58.07 | levi | Heh. |
| 22:58.15 | elg | luckily I have spring break this next week so I'll actually have time to write up a proposal |
| 22:58.19 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:58.25 | ScytheBlade1 | BZFlag on the xbox would be awesome |
| 22:58.30 | levi | elg: You must not be working hard enough on your Ph.D. ;) |
| 22:58.42 | elg | well I could work on my phd all week next week |
| 22:58.46 | elg | and I probably will some of it |
| 22:58.50 | elg | but nobody expects me to |
| 22:58.52 | elg | ;) |
| 22:58.54 | TimRiker | I've run the linux version there, but with no hw 3d, it sux. |
| 22:59.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed :/ |
| 22:59.37 | TimRiker | at 400x300 with all the visuals off I could get about 2fps. it was awesome. :( |
| 22:59.43 | elg | so I feel so degraded that nobody noticed my link I posted when I signed on, just cuz it was the middle of a flamewar |
| 22:59.53 | bonez39 | anyone try the PS3 with linux on it? |
| 23:00.05 | sjansen | elg: link? |
| 23:00.17 | sjansen | ~flame elg |
| 23:00.23 | elg | -urls |
| 23:00.23 | brac | [2007/03/16 16:52:36] <TimRiker> http://code.google.com/soc/bzflag/about.html |
| 23:00.23 | brac | [2007/03/16 16:50:46] <elg> http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code |
| 23:00.24 | brac | [2007/03/16 16:50:29] <elg> http://code.google.com/soc/ |
| 23:00.24 | brac | [2007/03/16 16:28:56] <elg> http://redhanded.hobix.com/cult/whatSWrongWithRubyHahYeahItSMe.html |
| 23:00.27 | elg | that last one |
| 23:00.44 | levi | elg: I read the link. |
| 23:00.51 | levi | elg: And the article it pointed to. |
| 23:01.16 | elg | I knew I could count on you :-) |
| 23:01.19 | levi | elg: The guy does say at the end that he likes Ruby better than other scripting languages, after going on about its supposed inadequacies. |
| 23:01.22 | sjansen | elg: I also read and enjoyed it. |
| 23:01.41 | elg | i didn't read the article. I just thought why's post was funny |
| 23:01.58 | elg | esp. since I think why is a manifestation of what's right about ruby |
| 23:02.08 | levi | Yeah, you can always count on why for a funny, if rather odd, response. |
| 23:03.01 | elg | i feel much more validated now. thanks |
| 23:03.47 | sjansen | ~validate elg |
| 23:06.38 | TimRiker | bonez39: lj has a review of linux on the ps3 this month. no nitty gritty details though, just a beginners install guide. |
| 23:11.59 | bonez39 | TimRiker, ah, whence my question sprang...... If I could load whatever distro I want...I'd have a great combo....I'd get each of my boys a ps3..they'd have it all in one box |
| 23:12.22 | *** part/#utah harleypig (n=harleypi@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 23:25.34 | TimRiker | bonez39: well, I read about debian and yellow dog support. I imagine any other ppd based distro would work. I use debian, so that suffices for me. :) |
| 23:25.49 | TimRiker | er ppc based... |
| 23:43.57 | maquis | mheath: i don't know exactly how one can misinterpret the words you used back a few months ago |
| 23:45.16 | maquis | er |
| 23:45.17 | maquis | wow |
| 23:45.26 | maquis | that was a long bit of conversation backlog i read |
| 23:45.53 | maquis | and now i'm afraid that he's got access to weapons if he's feeling violent at the moment |
| 23:46.13 | maquis | anyway... i'll go back to lurking |
| 23:48.13 | findlay | maquis: why are you a lurker now? |
| 23:55.27 | thesuperbigfrog | She's a code spelunker. She's just recently found the way out of a deep dark cave called The HAM. |
