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| 01:23.58 | sjansen | Javssist makes it possible to mixins in Java!!!!!11111oneoneoneone |
| 01:24.06 | brac | Javssist makes it easier for interconnection of large and small business a year ago and far end CRC errors on your day off: unethical :) |
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| 01:55.37 | rsimpkins | Hi all. Does anyone have any info on the PLUG meeting this week? I was hoping to get it on the site - but no details have been sent. |
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| 02:20.14 | herlo | rsimpkins: ping |
| 02:26.34 | graphyx | hi herlo |
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| 02:29.24 | herlo | graphyx: hello |
| 02:30.50 | graphyx | So I feel that the interview went pretty well, we will see if anything comes of it. |
| 02:31.05 | graphyx | I should know by friday if they want to fly me out for another one |
| 02:31.54 | mheath | bah |
| 02:36.28 | herlo | graphyx: that's good to hear.. |
| 02:36.47 | herlo | graphyx: that means you'd be coming back to utah? |
| 02:37.12 | graphyx | yes |
| 02:37.20 | graphyx | slc area |
| 02:38.44 | tensai | -lart elg |
| 02:41.15 | rsimpkins | herlo: here. |
| 02:41.22 | herlo | rsimpkins: talk with Zelut |
| 02:41.27 | herlo | about plug |
| 02:41.32 | rsimpkins | herlo: 20 min. latency isn't bad. ;) |
| 02:41.44 | herlo | christer doT edwards at gmail dot com |
| 02:41.57 | herlo | he was supposed to get with you by now... |
| 02:42.01 | rsimpkins | K |
| 02:42.11 | herlo | well, it used to be my presentation, but I am in Denver... |
| 02:42.18 | rsimpkins | Oh? Okay. :) |
| 02:42.32 | herlo | so I thought I'd better make sure it gets done... |
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| 03:09.06 | levi_home | Good evening. |
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| 03:11.20 | elg | evening |
| 03:12.08 | elg | I really don't want to enter my password. if some bad dude is in my house I have other problems |
| 03:12.33 | elg | I've turned off about five different features in gconf-edit that look like they should each solve the problem |
| 03:12.36 | elg | and none of them do |
| 03:12.37 | levi_home | Hmm. |
| 03:13.06 | levi_home | Look in the screen saver config? |
| 03:13.28 | elg | yup |
| 03:13.30 | elg | and power savings |
| 03:13.40 | elg | did a search for "lock" in gconf-edit too |
| 03:14.12 | levi_home | Strange. |
| 03:14.27 | levi_home | Maybe that Ubuntu blogger dude (Aaron?) would know. |
| 03:15.23 | elg | atoponce: ping |
| 03:16.02 | elg | maybe, but most people are obsessed with things like getting their screens to lock, not vice versa. at least that's what it looks like on google |
| 03:20.05 | levi_home | Yeah. |
| 03:20.23 | levi_home | People really do get obsessed with security trivialities. |
| 03:39.23 | atoponce | elg: pong |
| 03:40.41 | tensai | I like my display to lock when I sleep. my /home is encrypted, so it's really a glaring way to evade that if my laptop gets lost/stolen. |
| 03:42.00 | levi_home | atoponce: elg wants to know how to turn off screen locking in gnome. |
| 03:42.53 | atoponce | does he have it set in his gnome-screensaver? |
| 03:43.26 | levi_home | He said he checked the screensaver settings and the power saving settings. |
| 03:45.51 | elg | tensai: well that's a laptop |
| 03:45.54 | elg | this is a desktop |
| 03:45.55 | elg | in my house |
| 03:46.12 | atoponce | alt-f2 then 'gconf-editor' |
| 03:46.13 | elg | the least of my worries if a stranger is in my house is my workstation |
| 03:46.16 | levi_home | elg: Dude, someone could break in and steal it! |
| 03:46.26 | atoponce | /apps/gnome-power-manager/lock_use_screensaver |
| 03:46.43 | elg | atoponce: check (or unchecked, rather) |
| 03:46.50 | atoponce | disable "lock_on_blank_screen", "lock_on_hibernate", "lock_on_suspend" (any/all> |
| 03:46.51 | tensai | terrorists could break in and use your internet connection to kill children. won't somebody please think of the children? |
| 03:46.54 | elg | i did try checking it too |
| 03:47.07 | elg | i tried every permutation of gnome-power-manager and gnome-screensaver settings |
| 03:47.15 | elg | in gconf-editor |
| 03:47.22 | atoponce | hmmm |
| 03:48.05 | elg | and no matter what I do, brightside locks it up when the action suspend,standby,off DPMS screen happens |
| 03:48.11 | elg | so I think brightside must be locking it somehow |
| 03:48.32 | elg | I *think* but I'm not sure that it doesn't lock if I let it just timeout |
| 03:48.46 | elg | i was going to find out in the morning after waking |
| 03:48.49 | atoponce | that may be the culprit, but i don't know for sure |
| 03:49.56 | elg | but I'm not crazy right? |
| 03:50.02 | elg | those settings do seem like they should do the trick |
| 03:50.47 | atoponce | they do the trick for me. :) |
| 03:50.52 | atoponce | so maybe you are crazy. :) |
| 03:52.19 | elg | hm, I wonder if this has something to do with it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=358498 |
| 03:55.06 | atoponce | why would they depend on other gnome utils, but not the gnome-screensaver? |
| 03:55.16 | elg | beats me |
| 03:56.09 | atoponce | odd |
| 04:03.27 | tene | ~dict pleonasm |
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| 07:06.41 | nick125- | I hate qwest |
| 07:06.59 | nick125- | they said my line would be up in an hour, about 3 hours ago |
| 07:07.18 | nick125- | and now they are saying that it won't get fixed until 1-5pm tomorrow |
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| 12:47.32 | goozbach | good morning! |
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| 13:40.58 | redbeard1 | ~lart spr |
| 13:41.13 | spr | ~lart redbeard1 |
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| 14:50.16 | QBFreak | does anyone know where I can find operating environment information for a biostar motherboard? I'm having trouble convinving this customer that leaving his PC in an uninsulated shed is what is killing it |
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| 14:51.49 | redbeard1 | QBFreak: which board? |
| 14:52.03 | QBFreak | P4M800 I believe |
| 14:52.13 | QBFreak | their website was useless, as was the manual |
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| 14:55.58 | QBFreak | Intel says their celeron has a minimum operating temp of 41f, that might be enough... |
| 14:56.03 | brac | Intel says their celeron has a weird rfc1918 address setup I've got a warning |
| 14:57.03 | redbeard1 | QBFreak: http://pdm.fic.com.tw/NIGPortal80/nigportal/Lab/e-office/rs/mbshare.asp?ANALYSISBY=3 |
| 14:57.12 | redbeard1 | look for TEST ITEM : Humidity Test |
| 14:57.15 | brac | [Log] |
| 14:59.22 | redbeard1 | also, more general information: http://www.smartcomputing.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles/archive/l0703/02l03/02l03.asp&guid= |
| 14:59.24 | brac | [Smart Computing Article - Do-It-Yourself Troubleshooting] |
| 14:59.40 | redbeard1 | look at the preventative maintenance section |
| 14:59.53 | redbeard1 | "Extreme temperatures and humidity can damage fragile computer circuitry. For this reason, put your PC in a room where the climate is regulated." |
| 15:01.52 | redbeard1 | ? |
| 15:02.02 | redbeard1 | subscriber to what? |
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| 15:03.33 | redbeard1 | ~lart neybar |
| 15:03.41 | neybar | that hurt! |
| 15:03.42 | redbeard1 | ooh, just like in fargo |
| 15:07.54 | QBFreak | I closed it, but the smart computing link wanted me to log in |
| 15:08.18 | QBFreak | I've got actual ranges for the HDD, and mins for the processor and motherboard, thta should work |
| 15:08.39 | redbeard1 | QBFreak: it didn't ask me to log in. weird. but yeah, ranges should help. |
| 15:08.44 | QBFreak | the PC needs to be at around 50F minimum inside and out before starting it up |
| 15:08.54 | brac | it didn't mention his name, and you should probably fix the markup errors, though |
| 15:08.55 | brac | the PC inside |
| 15:09.05 | QBFreak | and the HDD can't excede 131F, so really warm days will be bad too |
| 15:09.27 | QBFreak | brac: you are more useless than I am on my "helpful" days |
| 15:09.27 | brac | but you are funny |
| 15:09.35 | QBFreak | ouch |
| 15:10.03 | redbeard1 | brac, tell me a joke |
| 15:10.03 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help tell' |
| 15:10.09 | redbeard1 | heh |
| 15:10.13 | redbeard1 | brac, help tell me a joke |
| 15:10.13 | brac | Keyword module (Fact learning and regurgitation) topics: overview, set, plurals, override, also, random, get, tell, forget, keywords, keywords search, <reply>, <action>, <who>, <topic> |
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| 15:11.28 | redbeard1 | ~dog beandog |
| 15:11.29 | ibot | ACTION stares at beandog until beandog whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 15:11.50 | elg | -chat |
| 15:11.51 | brac | there's got to be in glib or gtk app to a file? .. I've been to a southern bbq where they had a tail |
| 15:12.04 | redbeard1 | -chat about jokes |
| 15:12.04 | brac | jokes did |
| 15:12.17 | redbeard1 | -chat about zen |
| 15:12.17 | brac | zen went |
| 15:12.34 | redbeard1 | elg: dude, i have a zen joke for you |
| 15:12.37 | elg | zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance |
| 15:12.46 | elg | uh-oh |
| 15:12.50 | redbeard1 | elg: there was a rabbit. |
| 15:13.13 | elg | was there a spoon? |
| 15:13.30 | redbeard1 | dude, it was a zen joke. what more do you want from it? |
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| 15:25.12 | atoponce | http://www.dell.com/content/topics/survey.aspx/ss?ssid=OeAjvuto67E~&s=corp |
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| 15:32.22 | tristanbob_ | http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey |
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| 15:36.41 | harleypig | ~onjoin redbeard1 |
| 15:36.41 | ibot | onjoin for redbeard1 set by redbeard1 on Thu Mar 1 08:21:59 2007: want an altoid? |
| 15:36.48 | harleypig | heh |
| 15:38.25 | harleypig | it'd be nice if we could set a series of onjoin messages and have ibot choose one randomly |
| 15:39.58 | tristanbob_ | harleypig: we already have that - it is called "human beings" |
| 15:40.15 | tristanbob_ | 1.0 methinks |
| 15:40.21 | redbeard1 | hey, that's true |
| 15:40.24 | redbeard1 | ~dog harleypig |
| 15:40.26 | ibot | ACTION stares at harleypig until harleypig whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 15:40.28 | harleypig | but human beings are buggy. |
| 15:40.37 | harleypig | Far more buggy than software. |
| 15:40.41 | redbeard1 | so is ibot |
| 15:40.55 | Jayce^ | harleypig, dunno about that, seen your code.. |
| 15:40.58 | redbeard1 | ibot: tell me a joke |
| 15:41.12 | tristanbob_ | redbeard1-bot: tell me a joke |
| 15:41.15 | harleypig | Jayce^: No you haven't. You not homicidally insane. |
| 15:41.21 | redbeard1 | from a PM: (09:40:58) ibot: No, redbeard1, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 15:42.54 | harleypig | Anyone from down Spanish Fork way going to PLUG tomorrow night? |
| 15:43.27 | redbeard1 | i think alan something or other is |
| 15:43.41 | redbeard1 | you should talk to him. i think he drives a van, so he should have room. |
| 15:43.41 | harleypig | :? |
| 15:43.50 | harleypig | oh |
| 15:44.48 | Jayce^ | redbeard1 liked it.. |
| 15:44.49 | tristanbob_ | gooses who? |
| 15:44.58 | Jayce^ | well, has herlo finished moving yet? |
| 15:45.01 | harleypig | whoever he can reach |
| 15:45.05 | Jayce^ | maybe he can get lars to come |
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| 16:02.02 | harleypig | The channel for OSS discussion in Utah | http://www.plug.org/node/28 | Utah Open Source Conference - September 6-8, 2007 |
| 16:02.27 | harleypig | http://www.shoptronics.com/smdipike1scp.html |
| 16:02.28 | brac | [Smartparts Digital Picture Keychain 1" Screen Personal Photo Album Viewer] |
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| 16:03.52 | Lone_Wanderer | I thought it said "smart pants" |
| 16:04.12 | harleypig | So did I at first, but it's still an interesting idea. I wouldn't pay $100 for it though. |
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| 16:05.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Also, I just got invited to a "Princess Party". I'm not sure if I'm meant to be the Handsome Prince, or just another princess. |
| 16:05.48 | elg | the doorman perhaps? |
| 16:05.58 | Lone_Wanderer | That would be best. |
| 16:06.15 | lukfugl | jester |
| 16:06.17 | elg | great. the professor pushed dealing with the cheaters back onto me |
| 16:06.21 | lukfugl | all royalty needs jesters |
| 16:06.21 | harleypig | Lone_Wanderer: concubine |
| 16:06.50 | Lone_Wanderer | elg: shooting squad |
| 16:06.59 | Lone_Wanderer | I'll change my name to Droppa Mapants and be their jester. |
| 16:07.06 | harleypig | sorry, concubinus |
| 16:07.54 | elg | she did help decide what grade to give them. 0 on the assignment (should be a failing grade in the course per the syllabus, so I guess she's feeling generous) |
| 16:08.07 | elg | but she's going to tell them to talk to me |
| 16:08.25 | Lone_Wanderer | what course, at what school, and how do you know they cheated? |
| 16:08.40 | elg | data structures, nmsu |
| 16:09.02 | macnewbold | http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey |
| 16:09.11 | elg | even though I couldn't get diff "ignore whitespace to work", the only difference was whitespace, some comments, and variable names |
| 16:09.26 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 16:09.32 | Lone_Wanderer | you'd think they'd have been a bit smarter about it |
| 16:09.43 | elg | you might think that |
| 16:10.02 | levi | If they were smart, they could have just written the stupid program. |
| 16:10.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Then again, the effort required to cheat properly is almost as much as the effort required to just do the assignment. |
| 16:10.48 | elg | the grade for the work was 94 |
| 16:11.08 | elg | so either one of them knows what they're doing or the two of them together (if they team programmed) do |
| 16:11.28 | levi | Not only are they stupid, they seem to think elg is stupid. I think they should be flunked with a great and ominous flunking. |
| 16:11.59 | elg | she was almost ready to just give them half credit for the assignment. I talked her into a 0 |
| 16:12.05 | elg | she's too nice |
| 16:12.09 | Lone_Wanderer | wow, definitely |
| 16:12.21 | elg | a 0 on this assignment is about 5% of the final grade |
| 16:12.28 | elg | so it's just half a letter grade |
| 16:12.43 | elg | if they do it again though |
| 16:12.59 | maquis | elg: can you prove both were involved in the cheating? |
| 16:13.26 | maquis | i mean... it'd kinda stink if A cheated off of B and B didn't know it happened, yet B is getting in trouble for it |
| 16:13.41 | elg | no, don't know that for sure |
| 16:13.52 | elg | although it's explicitly stated in the syllabus that both parties ar liable |
| 16:14.13 | elg | it's possible someone didn't have his home directory properly protected |
| 16:14.21 | Lone_Wanderer | That seems kind of like ticketing someone for their parked car getting hit. |
| 16:14.42 | maquis | elg: true... but i've seen times at school where homework assignments were turned in via a web-form, and the web-form uploaded the files to a world-readable/world-writeable directory |
| 16:15.34 | maquis | i reported it to the professor, but it was still an issue where it would make it easy for one person to cheat off of another person, and it's not something that the person being cheated off of could know about or prevent |
| 16:15.50 | elg | not the case here. the upload site is protected (unless one is a sysadmin or something) |
| 16:15.58 | elg | or if someone didn't log off, for example |
| 16:16.40 | elg | but yeah, I agree, I wouldn't hold both accountable if it was apparent one had just copied the other without his knowledge |
| 16:17.08 | elg | and that might take some investigation, like giving them a pop quiz and asking them about the code |
| 16:17.25 | elg | that way you could find out who wrote it, but then how do you know for sure he didn't give permission to have it copied? |
| 16:17.54 | maquis | true |
| 16:18.30 | maquis | elg: can you check permissions on each of their home-dirs? |
| 16:18.43 | elg | good idea |
| 16:19.37 | elg | both home directories, at least, are secure |
| 16:19.45 | maquis | ok |
| 16:19.54 | elg | 700 |
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| 16:20.03 | maquis | in that case, i'd say you've checked the most important things |
| 16:20.36 | elg | any mythtv people here want to make a few bucks? |
| 16:22.51 | Jayce^ | anybody in here tried putting debian on a new xserve? specifically with fibre channel? |
| 16:23.11 | elg | not debian, alas |
| 16:23.40 | elg | but i did deal with fibre channel and rhell |
| 16:23.58 | elg | don't know if what I worked with then would be considered a "new xserve" now |
| 16:25.46 | maquis | rhel1? |
| 16:26.24 | elg | rhel3 |
| 16:26.34 | maquis | how old is rhel3 these days? |
| 16:26.45 | elg | they just released 5 I think |
| 16:28.26 | macnewbold | ~yarr |
| 16:28.32 | ibot | aye. yarr. |
| 16:35.09 | tensai | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydLiasdJeoo |
| 16:35.42 | Jayce^ | awesome... |
| 16:35.54 | Lone_Wanderer | What is it? |
| 16:35.56 | Jayce^ | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=218&ad=977784&cat=185&lpid=5 <-- the case makes it worth it.. |
| 16:36.01 | brac | [ksl.com - Ad Listing] |
| 16:36.44 | Lone_Wanderer | O_O that's awesome! |
| 16:37.07 | Lone_Wanderer | How many rounds can fit in a drum magazine? |
| 16:37.18 | Jayce^ | 90 for those |
| 16:40.38 | elg | tensai: sweet |
| 16:41.23 | tensai | elg: we have lots of squirrels in my neighborhood. ;) |
| 16:42.09 | Lone_Wanderer | heh, I forgot about those things. they're all over in Minnesota. |
| 16:42.53 | Lone_Wanderer | When I saw the title I thought it'd be someone grabbing a squirrel by it's tail and twirling it around... |
| 16:44.38 | elg | nobody here does mythtv? |
| 16:46.48 | elg | ok, maybe something more low tech. anyone here have cable/dish and good with a vcr want to make a few bucks? |
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| 16:47.21 | Jayce^ | you looking for something specific? |
| 16:47.24 | QBFreak | VCR? get a recorder |
| 16:47.29 | QBFreak | err a DVD recorder |
| 16:47.40 | elg | that'd be great too |
| 16:47.53 | elg | basically, I am looking for cosby seasons 3-8 |
| 16:48.11 | elg | they're not out on dvd, though they were at one point in a "complete series" release, some time ago |
| 16:48.30 | elg | i've already scoured the bittorrent sites, though I may have missed it |
| 16:49.00 | elg | it's on nick at night like every night, and they do a cosby marathon like every other month |
| 16:49.20 | elg | so it wouldn't be hard to collect them all. |
| 16:49.34 | elg | we don't have cable or dish though |
| 16:50.52 | QBFreak | I'd say buy me a recorder and I'd do it, but I don't get that channel :( |
| 16:52.23 | redbeard1 | what's LMN? |
| 16:52.33 | QBFreak | Lifetime Movie Network, the anti-men channel |
| 16:52.46 | redbeard1 | oh, yeah, that one. |
| 16:52.48 | elg | heheh |
| 16:52.50 | Jayce^ | the abused woman's channel |
| 16:53.50 | redbeard1 | you know... women have all these channels now... We, Oh!, LMN... and what do guys get? spike tv. |
| 16:53.59 | redbeard1 | i feel pretty gypped right about now. |
| 16:54.20 | Jayce^ | well, spike does show the NPPL super-7 series.. that's good of them |
| 16:54.23 | levi | My wife watches more spike tv than I do. For the Star Trek. |
| 16:54.47 | macnewbold | there's some guy stuff on TLC, isn't that where junk wars and stuff lives? |
| 16:54.51 | macnewbold | food network |
| 16:54.59 | QBFreak | there's VS, another one I get and ignore, its more sports/hunting targetted |
| 16:55.06 | macnewbold | but the sports channels don't count as good "guy stuff" for me |
| 16:55.09 | elg | love spike tv |
| 16:55.10 | QBFreak | yeah, I taped a lot of TLC when I got it |
| 16:55.27 | lukfugl | food network is gender-neutral |
| 16:55.39 | Jayce^ | they have shows for both.. |
| 16:56.02 | QBFreak | I watch enough TV with just the major networks to not really care about the rest :) |
| 16:56.10 | lukfugl | there're also "those" PPV channels, which I'm guessing are mostly male oriented... |
| 16:56.50 | lukfugl | we don't even have air in our house -- Russel's learning to get by without any TV :) |
| 16:57.10 | QBFreak | not a bad thing really |
| 16:57.18 | Jayce^ | did that for a long time.. |
| 16:57.44 | Jayce^ | had to get tv again with our last kid though... when my wife was nursing she was about to kill me after running through all the movies we had |
| 16:57.48 | elg | same here. we do have air, but the only channel that comes through is pbs |
| 16:58.00 | elg | that and bittorrent |
| 16:58.05 | QBFreak | when I was a kid my mom limited my TV intake, I think it was a good thing |
| 16:58.07 | lukfugl | we've got a decent size set, for watching movies and series on dvd, playing console games, etc. but no TV |
| 16:58.31 | elg | who needs tv when you have guitar hero? |
| 16:58.32 | QBFreak | elg: I use that and my DivX DVD player, wonderful solution |
| 16:58.37 | lukfugl | exactly :) |
| 16:58.49 | Robdor | Any Mac geeks here know how to get sar to give the right output for page ins/outs. I'm just getting NAN. |
| 16:58.56 | lukfugl | not anti-TV, just TV-apathetic |
| 16:59.09 | lukfugl | about the only channel for which I sometimes wish I had cable is Food NEtwork |
| 16:59.20 | Lone_Wanderer | sar? |
| 16:59.24 | Jayce^ | Robdor, not sure |
| 16:59.37 | Jayce^ | might look at the menu-meters source, seems to work.. |
| 16:59.39 | QBFreak | sars? *panics* |
| 17:00.29 | elg | lukfugl: you would want spike too. star trek, mcguyver, etc. |
| 17:00.29 | lukfugl | yay |
| 17:00.43 | Robdor | Lone_Wanderer, it reports system activity. |
| 17:00.53 | elg | what do you need to know? |
| 17:00.53 | lukfugl | but then I'd have even less time to do real things (computer games eat enough of it already) |
| 17:01.10 | elg | yes, you have to choose. I don't play many games remember |
| 17:01.19 | elg | which is why you always beat me when I do :) |
| 17:02.22 | QBFreak | oh? someone still airs MacGyver? I've been downloading it :) |
| 17:02.40 | lukfugl | which reminds me, elg, we haven't played wesnoth in ages |
| 17:02.52 | elg | i know |
| 17:03.00 | elg | when should we play? |
| 17:03.36 | lukfugl | not gonna have a chance all this week :/ booked every night |
| 17:06.06 | levi | Do Peter Abilla's blog entries about Toyota make anyone else cringe? |
| 17:06.20 | elg | i just skimmed it |
| 17:06.35 | elg | but it looked like scary stuff they might teach in this java class |
| 17:07.21 | elg | yes, actually. we have enough people now that there's always a couple of people not working at any given time |
| 17:07.24 | elg | :) |
| 17:07.35 | elg | except, ironically, the weekends |
| 17:09.23 | elg | Robdor: so what exactly are you looking for? |
| 17:09.54 | elg | Robdor: do you need to get it programmatically? does Activity Monitor not suit your needs? |
| 17:10.00 | elg | It tells me page in/out |
| 17:11.53 | tensai | ~lart broken firewalls |
| 17:11.57 | levi | This guy is a tool: http://www.bcs.org/server.php?show=ConWebDoc.9662 |
| 17:13.56 | elg | yeah what a joke |
| 17:14.18 | lukfugl | ibot just put out the broken firewalls with seltzer water |
| 17:14.31 | Jayce^ | levi, but he's so right... I mean, it's just like how we can't have mathmeticians now that those darn calculators exist! |
| 17:15.25 | Robdor | elg: I want to see all of the paging going on in the system to see if ram is the problem with the machine. After upgrading the XServe all sorts of things went skiwampus. Apple support says we need more ram, but I just want to be sure. |
| 17:15.28 | harleypig | I wonder what he will say when we actually get to the point of having programs write programs for us just by giving a set of rules. |
| 17:16.38 | Robdor | elg: I prefer sar, because I can SSH into the machine and use the CLI and not have to walk down to the server room. I know, I'm lazy. |
| 17:17.10 | elg | top tells you page ins and outs |
| 17:17.23 | tensai | he's totally right. 8 year-olds can do anything. |
| 17:17.39 | harleypig | If the gap between public knowledge and academic curriculum isn't large enough, the gap between academia and industry practice is a gaping hole. |
| 17:17.49 | harleypig | Yeah, and its acedemia's fault too. |
| 17:17.53 | brac | and its using H.264 though |
| 17:18.48 | Robdor | Just the current total. I would like to see pgouts at different intervals of time throughout the day. |
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| 17:22.56 | elg | ah, I see |
| 17:22.57 | elg | http://www.macgeekery.com/gspot/2006-04/mac_os_xs_bastard_sar_implementation |
| 17:23.07 | elg | good luck |
| 17:23.09 | elg | I don't envy you |
| 17:23.15 | elg | sounds almost as much fun as dealing with rhell |
| 17:28.11 | elg | Robdor: looks like you can get the info you need if you fix the cron jobs |
| 17:29.12 | Robdor | elg: That's the article that followed, and I'm still getting the NAN's and INF's. Are there any other tools CLI or GUI that can give me this info? |
| 17:30.40 | elg | no clue. I haven't needed to investigate it |
| 17:31.06 | elg | the only mac I work with is in front of me |
| 17:31.12 | elg | i don't think I'd choose it for a server |
| 17:33.31 | graphyx | once in a while |
| 17:33.31 | elg | heh |
| 17:33.34 | lukfugl | the "applications" that can be built by those with no grounding are approximately equivalent to soap-box derby racers |
| 17:33.36 | elg | a) building a car doesn't need mechanical know-how. It needs a freakin' factory and mechanical engineers to design it |
| 17:33.47 | elg | b) what fantasy land does he live in? |
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| 18:04.34 | QBFreak | -help onjoin |
| 18:04.34 | brac | no help for topic onjoin |
| 18:04.43 | QBFreak | ibot: help onjoin |
| 18:05.41 | elg | student A: I didn't cheat. The guy that helps me with my assignments (not in the class) can attest that it's my work with his help |
| 18:05.52 | QBFreak | onjoin webbles Weebles wobble but they don't fall down |
| 18:06.03 | QBFreak | BAH |
| 18:06.03 | elg | student B asked for help, I gave him an older printout of my work (doh) |
| 18:06.04 | vontrapp | and the 8 year olds who build those robots, what do they build those robots out of? oh yeah, sophisticated kits that someone really smart built |
| 18:06.12 | QBFreak | tis ok, once is enough :) |
| 18:06.54 | elg | student B: I asked for help and got some ideas and actually yes I copied a few small pieces,and my uncle that works for NASA "showed the |
| 18:06.57 | elg | best way to word everything and the best way to structure the progarm to make |
| 18:06.59 | elg | it readable." |
| 18:08.40 | elg | my interpretation (after talking to the tutor friend), student B copied student A. Student B is severely understating the plagiarism, but what I see does jive - he has better variable names and more "paragraphing" whitespace |
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| 18:09.00 | vontrapp | and not to mention those high level tools that "accountants" can make their business tools out of, those high level tools come from somewhere, too |
| 18:09.34 | elg | oh, and student A submitted online about 12 hours before student B |
| 18:09.55 | elg | but man, giving another student a copy of your paper, bad news |
| 18:10.21 | Hunding | you might be suprised at the modifications that those 6-8 yr olds make on the really sophisticated kits made by really smart people! |
| 18:11.23 | QBFreak | and sometimes the software written by the really smart people feels like it was designed by a kid... |
| 18:13.14 | vontrapp | maybe it would be better software if their degree focused on "delivering IT services in organisations" instead of on computer science principles |
| 18:14.16 | QBFreak | maybe Worse Than Failure should be required daily reading for new programmers :) |
| 18:35.44 | graphyx | http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Mounting_and_Screwing.aspx |
| 18:37.47 | redbeard1 | do companies usually send their customers a ups tracking number, and then ship the package via fedex? |
| 18:38.11 | elg | redbeard1: keeps the fbi on their toes |
| 18:38.21 | redbeard1 | weird |
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| 18:59.21 | maquis | redbeard1: lol |
| 19:00.01 | elg | maybe ups got too busy and handed off to fedex |
| 19:18.43 | levi | Huh, all the commercial Eiffel stuff is now dual-licensed. |
| 19:18.55 | levi | Including the IDE and stuff. |
| 19:41.57 | ^Migs^ | I can feel the ribeye steak sandwich I had for lunch clogging up my bowels. When it comes out, it's going to hurt. |
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| 19:44.22 | goozbach | ^Migs^: thanks for sharing, ... I think |
| 19:45.29 | harleypig | ^Migs^: Make sure and let us know when you go, k? |
| 19:49.30 | QBFreak | ^Migs^: if you don't make it, can I have your PC? |
| 19:55.00 | ^Migs^ | k, I think I'm going to go release the secret weapon now |
| 20:00.00 | ^Migs^ | that wasn't so much painful as it was messy |
| 20:00.28 | ^Migs^ | one of those 50-wipers |
| 20:01.34 | graphyx | you playing killer bunnies? |
| 20:11.05 | mheath | bah |
| 20:20.41 | ^Migs^ | What do you call someone who can duplicate a key for you? Keymaster? |
| 20:21.03 | macnewbold | only if they're a minion of gozer |
| 20:21.07 | redbeard1 | ^Migs^: are you the keymaster? |
| 20:21.15 | macnewbold | most people call them locksmiths |
| 20:21.17 | ^Migs^ | that's what I would call myself if I made keys for a living |
| 20:21.25 | macnewbold | it's trademarked |
| 20:21.53 | goozbach | as the duly appointed, representative of the channel, county, and state of utah, I hereby ..... |
| 20:22.47 | ^Migs^ | oh, locksmith. Hehe. Knew that. |
| 20:28.25 | maquis | goozbach: who made you the duly-appointed representative of #utah? |
| 20:33.46 | mheath | =\ |
| 20:34.15 | mheath | What am I supposed to do when I'm so worried/stressed/etc. that I can't focus on homework/studying yet I _have_ to do the homework, and _have_ to study? |
| 20:35.08 | lukfugl | do homework and study, duh :) |
| 20:35.45 | mheath | One of our instructors was talking today too about how submarine service tends to cause/aggrivate knee issues |
| 20:35.57 | Jayce^ | welcome to real life :) |
| 20:36.11 | mheath | So even if this all ends up with me staying in, I'll probably lose my sub vol. |
| 20:37.00 | mheath | I'm probably being too worried and paranoid, but my mind keeps racing, and I'm so stressed out and worried about this...I can't concentrate, I can't focus, I can't think.. |
| 20:37.13 | mheath | I have about 0 motiviation to do anything. |
| 20:37.47 | mheath | It's like my world's crashing around me. I put in so much time, effort, and money (doctor's bills, etc) to get back into the military. It's my dream. It's what I want to do with my life. |
| 20:38.05 | mheath | And I just can't handle being faced with a situation that could even potentially make this career end like the last one did. |
| 20:38.27 | graphyx | so what you are saying is that you haven't had any luck setting up that blog? |
| 20:38.34 | maquis | mheath: stressing isn't going to help anything |
| 20:38.40 | maquis | it's just going to make the problem worse |
| 20:39.01 | mheath | Sorry, I'm venting. And it's offtopic. None of my family members are home, and I can't really talk about the situation with anyone here. |
| 20:39.20 | ^Migs^ | that's okay, mheath. I'm always venting in here. |
| 20:39.23 | ^Migs^ | it's therapeutic. |
| 20:39.40 | mheath | Though I am going to medical tomorrow, get my knee looked at.....Told my SLPO about the issues, and he's making me go to medical =\ |
| 20:39.40 | maquis | mheath: just trying to help :) |
| 20:40.19 | mheath | My SLPO did reassure me a bit though...the Navy is less strict on physical readiness than the Marines are (obviously)..... |
| 20:40.20 | maquis | mheath: i've heard that beating up punching bags helps sometimes too... |
| 20:40.50 | mheath | And he said that a long as I can 1) walk, do day-to-day thing with 0 problems, and 2) pass some form of the PFA (apparently they have other cardio options like swimming, elliptical machine, etc) they wouldn't kick me out for any reason. |
| 20:41.09 | maquis | for me, banging my head against my desk sometimes helps when i'm stressed |
| 20:41.11 | mheath | erm, *they probably wouldn't kick me out |
| 20:41.36 | mheath | And having made it through, uh, 4 months of training vs. the 1 week of training I made it through with the marine corps helps, too :P |
| 20:41.48 | QBFreak | maquis: what about banging other peoples heads on your desk? that sounds stress relieving to me |
| 20:41.52 | mheath | They have a lot more money invested in me |
| 20:42.03 | QBFreak | especially Customer X... |
| 20:42.12 | maquis | QBFreak: sure... although if he's afraid of getting kicked out, that'd probably make the issue somewhat worse |
| 20:42.20 | maquis | since he's not an officer yet... |
| 20:42.36 | QBFreak | yeah, thats what I get for not reading theconvo before chiming in |
| 20:42.39 | mheath | But still...the fact of the matter is, I'm going to have to truthfully say that while running, I experience knee pain severe enough that it's started to effecct my run time by ~3 minutes |
| 20:43.06 | mheath | And makes the knee so tender / painful that it hurts a bit to even walk on it for a while afterwards |
| 20:43.12 | QBFreak | when I get extremely stressed to the point where I have trouble functioning, I go for a walk |
| 20:43.26 | mheath | QBFreak, thats what I used to normally do. Go for a run |
| 20:43.35 | QBFreak | but if yout knees are causing problems... :( |
| 20:43.39 | mheath | but seeing as how the issue causing the stress is related to my run.... :P |
| 20:43.43 | harleypig | When I get just barely stressed I go drink a pepsi. |
| 20:44.13 | harleypig | When I get really stressed I drink a 2 litre of pepsi |
| 20:44.47 | mheath | in other, good news: we got our coffee mess setup in our classroom today. |
| 20:44.50 | mheath | Coffee == Good. |
| 20:44.55 | harleypig | When I get massively stressed ... well, cyber bullets only kill cyber people. |
| 20:46.01 | mheath | harleypig, actually, good idea. I'll play a little half-life after I get done studying. |
| 20:46.24 | harleypig | heh |
| 20:46.39 | lukfugl | HL2 is one of the best FPS I've played, excepting the Ravenholme chapter. I hated that place |
| 20:47.12 | mheath | lukfugl, yeah, except I've played the first while of it, and I don't have that save anymore. |
| 20:47.20 | mheath | It's hard to get past like 5 hours of stuff I've played before. |
| 20:47.30 | lukfugl | yeah, that's a problem |
| 20:47.40 | mheath | Erm, not _hard_......boring. Not as fun. |
| 20:47.47 | brac | not _hard_......boring. Not as bleeding edge as gentoo |
| 20:47.54 | mheath | .... |
| 20:47.58 | lukfugl | thanks, brac |
| 20:48.03 | QBFreak | brac: you smell like old cheese |
| 20:48.23 | mheath | Hey! If I take this word and replace it with something different and OSS related, I'll sound smart AND on topic! Yah! |
| 20:48.27 | mheath | My programmers are so smart! |
| 20:49.05 | mheath | OK, time to eat and study. Sooner I leave the sooner I get it done...it's going to take me forever tonight, I can't focus. |
| 20:49.09 | mheath | =\ |
| 20:49.35 | Lone_Wanderer | For the first time. So mheath, what's up with the knees? |
| 21:06.54 | emcnabb | Lone_Wanderer: :-) |
| 21:11.31 | ^Migs^ | check this guy out: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/13/science/13prof.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5087%0A&em&en=df354229c0e02e42&ex=1173931200 |
| 21:11.34 | brac | [Scientist at Work - Terence Tao - Journeys to the Distant Fields of Prime - New York Times] |
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| 21:15.35 | ^Migs^ | Dr. Tao has drawn attention and curiosity throughout his life for his prodigious abilities. By age 2, he had learned to read. At 9, he attended college math classes. At 20, he finished his Ph.D. |
| 21:17.04 | lukfugl | nifty: "The military is interested in using the work for reconnaissance: blanket a battlefield with simple, cheap cameras that might each record a single pixel of data. Each camera would transmit the data to a central computer that, using the mathematical technique developed by Dr. Tao and Dr. Candès, would construct a comprehensive view. Engineers at Rice University have made a prototype of just such a camera." |
| 21:18.37 | harleypig | That'd be good for other things besides military (and para-military). |
| 21:21.14 | harleypig | the “genius” award that comes with a half-million dollars and no strings |
| 21:21.20 | harleypig | wow |
| 21:22.39 | lukfugl | yeah, I was more impressed with the "what" than "why", maybe I should have quoted as "blanket [an area] with ..." |
| 21:27.08 | elg | mheath: maybe you can burn off stress by lifting upper body weights or swimming. the benefit of swimming is that you smell like chlorine after |
| 21:28.38 | graphyx | elg: That helps deter the stresses of having a girlfriend too |
| 21:29.01 | harleypig | Unless she's a swimmer. |
| 21:29.06 | harleypig | Or has a fetish for chlorine. |
| 21:29.29 | harleypig | Which would probably indicate a fetish for something else ... |
| 21:29.31 | graphyx | Umm... how many girls do you know with that particular fetish? |
| 21:29.32 | harleypig | but I'll stop there. |
| 21:29.47 | harleypig | for chlorine or something else? |
| 21:31.12 | graphyx | chlorine |
| 21:31.13 | harleypig | I've known a couple of girls who really liked the smell of the pool. |
| 21:31.35 | elg | I was a lifeguard |
| 21:31.51 | elg | I knew quite a few girls, and guys, who love the smell of chlorine (in moderation) |
| 21:32.19 | Lone_Wanderer | If you go with the theory of association-based reenforcement, and you figure that most people see members of the opposite sex barely dressed at the pool more often than anywhere else... |
| 21:32.42 | elg | precisely |
| 21:33.14 | elg | not to mention you're outside, soaking up (or hiding from) the sun, having fun, and love swimming |
| 21:33.35 | Lone_Wanderer | I actually hate swimming. And the pools in Minnesota are mostly inside. |
| 21:33.47 | tristanbob_ | do you recommend running 64-bit linux on a intel core 2 duo procs? or should I use 32-bit? |
| 21:34.13 | elg | i used to watch the clouds build up every afternoon in late summer |
| 21:34.25 | harleypig | tristanbob_: I'm running 64bit on an Athlon ... it's ok for the most part. |
| 21:34.26 | elg | we'd close the pool almost every day for thunderstorms during that part of the year |
| 21:34.31 | mrpull | tristanbob_: how much ram? |
| 21:34.34 | tristanbob_ | 2 gb |
| 21:34.38 | mrpull | why would you need 64 bit? |
| 21:34.39 | elg | that's where I learned to love weather, especially thunderstorms |
| 21:34.45 | tristanbob_ | just cause! |
| 21:34.52 | tristanbob_ | it is a higher number |
| 21:35.01 | tristanbob_ | and that is always better, right |
| 21:35.02 | tristanbob_ | ;) |
| 21:35.15 | harleypig | More space for the code to execute in. |
| 21:35.36 | mrpull | these amps go up to eleven! |
| 21:35.48 | tristanbob_ | mrpull: spinal tap |
| 21:36.26 | mrpull | one of my favorites |
| 21:36.44 | mrpull | why don't you just make ten louder? |
| 21:36.53 | mrpull | <pause>... These go to eleven. |
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| 21:51.10 | ^Migs^ | http://imdb.com/title/tt0438488/ |
| 21:51.11 | brac | [Terminator 4 (2008)] |
| 21:52.30 | Lone_Wanderer | My girlfriend told me that if I learn Latin dancing and go with her on weekends, she'll play WoW with me. |
| 21:53.04 | Lone_Wanderer | So, while I realize that this may be the wrong crowd to ask, does anyone know where a non-college student can go for latin dance lessons? |
| 21:54.22 | beandog | you know I think theres actually a local community "college" taht might do that stuff on the cheap. |
| 21:54.31 | beandog | I cant remember the name of it now. |
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| 21:54.45 | beandog | it obviously wasnt that memorable |
| 21:57.52 | elg | yay, my hdd arrived |
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| 22:19.30 | dataw0lf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-KWYYIY4jQ |
| 22:21.09 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf, destroyer of worlds, killer of productivity :p |
| 22:21.28 | dataw0lf | awesomest clip ever |
| 22:21.50 | dataw0lf | it mocks Apple AND the Bush Administration |
| 22:22.00 | dataw0lf | it's like if I was a youtube clip |
| 22:22.03 | dataw0lf | that's what I'd be |
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| 22:39.17 | atoponce | what happened here: http://www.utahbloggers.com ? |
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| 23:05.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Filthy, blasphemous BSD users. |
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