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| 00:55.16 | mheath | http://www.mtheath.net/ |
| 00:55.24 | mheath | Not too exciting of a name =\ |
| 01:04.02 | levi_home | mheath: Your website appears to have been HACKED by the same guys who did that city's web page... the infamous Fedora group. |
| 01:04.21 | mheath | Indeed. I'll investigate. |
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| 01:45.59 | Sargun | Hey, has anyone here taken BYU online study? (http://ce.byu.edu/is/site/) |
| 01:46.39 | goozbach | levi_home: it was the city of tuttle, and it wasn't the fedora group, it was the centOS group :) |
| 01:46.46 | goozbach | ~tuttle |
| 01:47.26 | Sargun | heh |
| 01:49.55 | levi_home | Fedora... CentOS... they're all RedHat to me. |
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| 02:08.42 | vontrapp | haha, wow, vista's new office has a "fluent interface" |
| 02:10.42 | Sargun | This looks pretty nifty. |
| 02:11.33 | Sargun | whoa, this looks really nifty. |
| 02:29.03 | Sargun | Recommend me a good podcast to listen to! |
| 02:30.04 | tene | Sargun: put hair spray in your eye, then you won't care about podcasts for a while. |
| 02:30.24 | tene | Whenever you start wanting podcasts, just repeat the process. |
| 02:30.25 | Sargun | hm |
| 02:30.26 | tene | Problem solved. |
| 02:30.36 | Sargun | I think I'm ok without hair spray in my eyes |
| 02:30.46 | Sargun | Would you like some in yours? |
| 02:31.30 | QBFreak | bah, I installed the nVidia kernel module and now when X starts its in 640x480, yet if I restart it, my resolution goes back to what I set until I reboot |
| 02:31.59 | tene | Sargun: no, I don't want podcasts |
| 02:32.22 | vontrapp | QBFreak: try adding the module to the modules file, so it loads on boot before x starts |
| 02:33.06 | vontrapp | /etc/modules |
| 02:33.24 | vontrapp | e.g. "echo nvidia >> /etc/modules" |
| 02:35.46 | tene | http://www.weirdal.com/legohardwarestore/index.html |
| 02:35.59 | QBFreak | oddly enough while the file didn't exist, it wouldn't let me echo to it (as root), I added it with vim, rebooting now |
| 02:37.12 | tene | cubey: "sudo echo nvidia >> /etc/modules"? |
| 02:37.24 | tene | the redirection is done by your shell, which is running as your user. |
| 02:37.26 | QBFreak | I did |
| 02:37.30 | tene | only the echo took place as root |
| 02:37.32 | QBFreak | aha |
| 02:37.39 | QBFreak | I should have remembered that from before |
| 02:37.44 | tene | annoying little catch |
| 02:37.46 | QBFreak | silly me has done that more than once |
| 02:37.56 | tene | if you want to use sudo, you can use 'tee' |
| 02:38.07 | tene | echo nvidia|sudo tee /etc/modules |
| 02:38.09 | tene | or whatever |
| 02:38.15 | tene | I think tee has an option to append |
| 02:38.39 | QBFreak | still comes up at 640x480 |
| 02:40.14 | tene | Cubey: I suspect it's related to fedora's 'nvidia' service that runs at startup and rewrites xorg.conf if the nvidia module is loaded |
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| 02:43.06 | QBFreak | tene: do you know what its called? services --status-all doesn't show it |
| 02:45.15 | tene | I don't. |
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| 02:57.28 | QBFreak | something was off in my X config, I broke it, and X made a new one, and now its happy |
| 02:58.08 | tene | yay! |
| 02:58.24 | QBFreak | not quite related (or maybe it is), grub isn't using enough colors for some reason, I thought it looked better before my kernel went poof on me |
| 02:59.27 | Sargun | lol |
| 03:09.30 | QBFreak | well, I just discovered why why it was so happy, it was using the old driver |
| 03:10.04 | QBFreak | and X has locked up on my now I think... |
| 03:10.34 | QBFreak | reboot! |
| 03:18.57 | QBFreak | well, I have no idea how I got where I am, but the resolution is good and its using the proper driver |
| 03:19.10 | QBFreak | dare I try to work out dual-head? :) |
| 03:21.45 | tene | Yes! |
| 03:22.26 | QBFreak | did you say you have a xorg.conf I can look at? |
| 03:24.52 | tene | Sure. |
| 03:25.29 | tene | http://allalone.org/xorg.conf |
| 03:28.13 | QBFreak | assuming I was going to be lazy and just cut/paste that, how would I go about ensuring that all the modules are actually there first? |
| 03:28.42 | tene | backup your current config, use that config, and see if everything works without problem? |
| 03:28.53 | QBFreak | that was the plan :) |
| 03:28.59 | tene | ;) |
| 03:31.24 | QBFreak | the BoardName directive under the Device section, thats just for reporting back, right? |
| 03:31.37 | QBFreak | err just for display I should say |
| 03:31.58 | brailsmt1 | any reason you aren't using xorgcfg or xorgconfig to create your own ocnfig? |
| 03:32.09 | QBFreak | cause I don't know any better? |
| 03:32.39 | brailsmt1 | use xorgcfg first, before copying and pasting someone elses config |
| 03:33.11 | brailsmt1 | it should guess a working config, and then let you change it to suit your needs and hardware |
| 03:33.36 | QBFreak | I don't appear to have it |
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| 03:33.57 | QBFreak | I have tried using the Display configuration thing that Fedora gives me, but X wont start if I try and enable dual-head there |
| 03:34.25 | brailsmt1 | you don't have xorgcfg?!?! |
| 03:34.56 | QBFreak | well, not that I can see, where should it be? |
| 03:35.01 | brailsmt1 | its part of xorg, you shouldn't have xorg without xorgcfg |
| 03:35.05 | brailsmt1 | /usr/bin |
| 03:35.44 | brailsmt1 | oops... |
| 03:35.49 | brailsmt1 | /usr/bin/xorgcfg |
| 03:36.02 | brailsmt1 | but if you are using fedora, maybe things are different |
| 03:36.20 | brailsmt1 | if xorgcfg doesn't work, then xorgconfig will, its text based |
| 03:37.48 | QBFreak | nothing in /usr/bin /bin /sbin /usr/sbin and locate xorg* only finds the conf |
| 03:38.10 | QBFreak | granted I have no idea when the slocate database was updated, this is a fresh install |
| 03:39.28 | QBFreak | err mlocate it appears to be here |
| 03:45.06 | QBFreak | updated the db, still no xorgcfg etc |
| 03:48.25 | tensai | ~find xorgcfg |
| 03:48.56 | tensai | I also don't have an xorgcfg |
| 03:50.36 | QBFreak | good news though, tene's config works just fine |
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| 03:56.45 | QBFreak | heh, the Fedora Display Settings wont do anything when I click OK now |
| 03:57.12 | QBFreak | I suppose this means I get to look up infos on changing resolution/refresh using horiz and vert rates |
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| 04:06.56 | levi_home | Good evening. |
| 04:17.23 | levi_home | Wassup, QB? |
| 04:17.59 | QBFreak | not much, I finished breaking X and now I'm happy with it :) |
| 04:18.32 | levi_home | I broke X in my vmware image, too. |
| 04:18.54 | levi_home | And then fixed it. |
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| 04:19.01 | levi_home | Waste of time, since I never use it. |
| 04:19.04 | levi_home | Hi, elg. |
| 04:19.34 | QBFreak | I suppose I could try running both displays in console mode, but this is more fun :) |
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| 04:48.09 | QBFreak | anyone know of a tool to convery KDE .desktop files to Gnome .desktop files? |
| 04:49.35 | tene | what's the difference? |
| 04:49.56 | QBFreak | at first glance they're layed out a little different, maybe I'm wrong |
| 04:51.08 | tensai | I thought they were interchangeable |
| 04:51.50 | QBFreak | running them is not working |
| 04:55.40 | QBFreak | well, the changes look easy enough in this case |
| 05:02.27 | QBFreak | a common set of desktops shared between the two monitors |
| 05:02.44 | tene | eh? |
| 05:02.45 | QBFreak | either monitor could display any of the desktops |
| 05:02.50 | tene | Hmm. |
| 05:02.59 | tene | Potentially interesting. |
| 05:03.15 | QBFreak | that would be so handy for the times I want to shuffly full-screen IRC back and forth between monitors :) |
| 05:03.45 | QBFreak | I think its time to admit I have a problem |
| 05:04.06 | QBFreak | I involuntairily use Y in place of E when typing sometimes |
| 05:04.27 | QBFreak | most common when I want to say 'me' |
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| 05:14.48 | Sargun | l |
| 05:14.54 | QBFreak | m |
| 05:16.12 | levi_home | Oh, it's from a discussion board for an online class. |
| 05:16.54 | levi_home | The discussion question was regarding situations where one would be morally obligated to self-disclose something. |
| 05:17.11 | Sargun | I get a fun error while trying to start compiz: http://pastebin.ca/391477 |
| 05:17.27 | levi_home | The example given was HIV-positive people disclosing their status to potential intimate partners. |
| 05:18.38 | findlay | I like to have a little variety in my morality |
| 05:18.46 | QBFreak | and one of your classmates feels that he wouldn't need to do that? |
| 05:18.47 | findlay | it keeps things interesting |
| 05:19.49 | levi_home | QBFreak: No, but some of them said things like, 'Morality is so subjective that what one person would feel obligated to do is not what someone else would." |
| 05:19.50 | findlay | Sargun: time to start h4X0r1ng (: |
| 05:20.04 | Sargun | -_- |
| 05:20.24 | findlay | at least you have the source, right? |
| 05:20.25 | levi_home | Which is stupid. The question is not what people would feel compelled to do, but what they are morally obligated to do whether they feel like it or not. |
| 05:21.05 | QBFreak | I may not feel obligated to move my car, but they called the tow truck anyway :) |
| 05:21.12 | levi_home | I mean, if I felt it was okay to kill people who insulted me, I would still not be morally justified in doing so, regardless of my opinion on the matter. |
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| 05:23.14 | QBFreak | I think it comes down to how people define morality, it seems to be rapidly becoming relative and subjective |
| 05:23.57 | levi_home | People like to think so, but a rational analysis of their own thinking would reveal otherwise. |
| 05:24.38 | levi_home | Even people who claim that it's relative and subjective will usually draw the line at murder. |
| 05:25.11 | QBFreak | you'll have to forgive me, I'm not good at putting thoughts into words, and now that its 1:30 my brain is rapidly turning into a puddle of goo :) |
| 05:25.51 | QBFreak | because in reality, there are absolutes, they just get ignored in favor of what we want |
| 05:25.54 | levi_home | Reluctance to draw those lines is more a sign of cowardice than true belief in the subjective nature or morality. |
| 05:26.19 | levi_home | s/or/of/ |
| 05:26.27 | levi_home | Stupid ibot. |
| 05:32.42 | QBFreak | am I doing something stupid here that I just can't see (perl): open(DESKTOP, "mare@qbfreak.net.desktop"); |
| 05:33.13 | QBFreak | syntax error near unexpected token `DESKTOP,' |
| 05:36.12 | QBFreak | wha...if I ./script it fails, if I perl script it works |
| 05:37.10 | QBFreak | yup, something stupid, I left out a ! :) |
| 05:37.10 | levi_home | Do you have the proper shabang incantation at the top of the file? |
| 05:37.11 | QBFreak | heh, I forgot the ! |
| 05:37.11 | levi_home | Ahh, that'd do it. |
| 05:37.11 | QBFreak | see, head full of goo |
| 05:37.11 | levi_home | bash doesn't like perl syntax. :) |
| 05:37.11 | levi_home | And I can't blame it one bit! |
| 05:37.11 | QBFreak | no, it doesn't |
| 05:37.15 | levi_home | Though I don't like bash syntax much, either. |
| 05:37.16 | findlay | hash, bang, bin, bash. Shell script, or Batman show? |
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| 12:50.38 | goozbach | how's that sandwitch comming? |
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| 13:07.09 | graphyx | sure |
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| 13:12.16 | elg | -lart ibot |
| 13:12.28 | elg | ~onjoin elg |
| 13:12.53 | elg | ~onjoin elg <action>cowers in fear |
| 13:12.53 | ibot | ok, elg |
| 13:15.04 | redbeard1 | elg: i liked the old one |
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| 13:15.32 | ibot | goozbach: ok |
| 13:15.41 | goozbach | doh! |
| 13:15.49 | goozbach | ~onjoin #utah elg |
| 13:15.50 | ibot | onjoin for elg set by goozbach on Mon Mar 12 07:15:32 2007: #utah |
| 13:16.33 | goozbach | bah |
| 13:16.53 | goozbach | ~onjoin elg <action> runs around in circles |
| 13:16.53 | ibot | goozbach: ok |
| 13:17.02 | elg | ~onjoin #utah -elg |
| 13:17.02 | ibot | elg: ok |
| 13:17.07 | elg | ~onjoin -elg |
| 13:17.07 | ibot | elg: ok |
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| 13:17.37 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin default elg |
| 13:17.37 | ibot | goozbach: ok |
| 13:17.44 | goozbach | bah! |
| 13:17.50 | goozbach | ibot: you suck! |
| 13:17.53 | ibot | Sorry! |
| 13:18.22 | goozbach | http://awkwardthingsisaytogirls.com/2007/03/getting-out-of-the-friend-zone-the-easy-way/ |
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| 13:32.34 | atoponce | http://www.informationweek.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml?articleID=191901844 |
| 13:41.20 | graphyx | We would have to be idiots if we didn't see at least a little bias in that piece. |
| 13:41.29 | graphyx | not that I didn't mind reading it. |
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| 14:14.29 | dataw0lf | http://damienkatz.net/2006/05/signs_youre_a_c.html |
| 14:14.32 | brac | [Damien Katz: Signs You're a Crappy Programmer (and don't know it)] |
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| 14:34.20 | atoponce | graphyx: true. and even if i'm biased, i can't help but agree |
| 14:34.46 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
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| 14:53.29 | ibot | ok, tensai |
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| 14:53.32 | ibot | ok, tensai |
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| 14:56.17 | tensai | grr. that's annoying. only Evolution is running in MST. everything else is MDT. |
| 14:56.31 | tensai | it's giving me meeting reminders an hour late |
| 14:57.41 | elg | haha |
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| 14:57.50 | maquis | tensai: :) |
| 14:58.10 | elg | gotta love software that thinks it's too good to use standard system calls |
| 14:58.12 | tensai | guess for now I'll be in central time |
| 14:59.06 | maquis | tensai: the funny thing is.... 90% of my items in outlook are correct... but a few are wrong |
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| 15:23.01 | goozbach | ~wtf ftw |
| 15:23.13 | goozbach | nope that's not it... |
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| 15:29.51 | sjansen | o/~ Let's go fly a kite! ~/o |
| 15:36.14 | tensai | changing to CST doesn't fix it. evolution shifted all my appointments later by an hour to compensate. |
| 15:36.27 | graphyx | manual edit! |
| 15:37.02 | graphyx | or wait three weeks and see if it doesn't sort itself out |
| 15:38.57 | sjansen | Blame iCalendar. Timezone definitions are embedded in the .ics file itself. You're calendar needs to be updated with a new TZ def. |
| 15:40.47 | graphyx | ~grammarnazi sjansen |
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| 15:48.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone here know Nicholas Leippe? |
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| 15:50.32 | levi | Not I. Why do you ask? |
| 15:51.28 | Lone_Wanderer | He just asked what a virus is and why we use the term for computer programs. |
| 15:51.34 | Lone_Wanderer | And I'm not sure if it's a serious question. |
| 15:51.43 | levi | I'm sure he knows what a virus is. |
| 15:51.55 | levi | I'm sure he meant the question in a rhetorical manner. |
| 15:51.56 | ^Migs^ | that's a dumb question |
| 15:52.19 | levi | But, if you don't like the analogy, feel free to rip him a new one. ;) |
| 15:54.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Speaking of viruses, my favorite is Empire Monkey. |
| 15:55.14 | vontrapp | i hate daylight savings!! |
| 15:55.25 | beandog | man |
| 15:55.41 | beandog | I woke up an hour *early* Saturday morning, and I couldnt remember when the switch over was. I was *really* lost for a bit. |
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| 15:56.12 | Jayce^ | wow, for beandog to be *really* lost, that's saying something.. |
| 15:56.24 | levi | I prefer the daylight savings schedule to the normal one, but I hate switching. |
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| 15:58.18 | tensai | the problem is evolution uses libical which does its own thing. now I have to figure out how to update libical. |
| 15:58.37 | tensai | levi: now we're only on "standard" time for 4 months which doesn't make it very standard |
| 15:59.11 | levi | I'd just as soon get rid of 'standard' time altogether. |
| 15:59.38 | tensai | I think I would agree |
| 15:59.59 | levi | Heh, evolution is also doing the wrong thing on my desktop. Stupid program. |
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| 16:14.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Apparently Nic(h|k?) was talking about viruses in response to my email saying that you can't execute arbitrary code in a biological system |
| 16:14.36 | Lone_Wanderer | because viruses do execute arbitrary code in their hose |
| 16:14.40 | Lone_Wanderer | host* |
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| 16:19.09 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 16:23.08 | tensai | ~onjoin _default -elg |
| 16:23.08 | ibot | ok, tensai |
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| 16:23.52 | elg | ~praise tensai |
| 16:23.54 | ibot | All hail tensai! |
| 16:24.02 | elg | ~lart timriker |
| 16:27.17 | goozbach | elg: don't I at least get credit for being close? |
| 16:27.51 | elg | ~nuke goozbach |
| 16:27.52 | ibot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at goozbach ... B☢☢M! |
| 16:28.04 | goozbach | they're nummy |
| 16:28.08 | elg | charola? |
| 16:29.11 | goozbach | aka frijoles de la hoya |
| 16:29.23 | goozbach | pre-fried refried, beans |
| 16:30.09 | goozbach | they need little more salt, but they's good |
| 16:32.46 | Lone_Wanderer | What does the refried in refried beans mean? Do they fry them twice? |
| 16:33.02 | elg | it means they've been cooked and then fried |
| 16:33.14 | elg | ie, they cook them the boring way |
| 16:33.26 | Lone_Wanderer | boiling or whatever? |
| 16:33.32 | elg | then they mash them and put them in a pan with a bit of oil or lard or something and |
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| 16:33.44 | elg | "fry" them. not deep fried |
| 16:33.50 | elg | though that would be interesting. try it goozbach and report |
| 16:33.51 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, ok |
| 16:34.15 | elg | sounds like goozbach has some extra frying going on or something. |
| 16:34.23 | elg | yeah, boiling |
| 16:34.38 | goozbach | the re- prefix means over or very in spanish |
| 16:34.49 | goozbach | so refritos, literally means over-fried |
| 16:35.01 | goozbach | they're not fried twice |
| 16:35.09 | goozbach | boiled, then fried, yes |
| 16:35.41 | goozbach | boiled, mashed, and then fried to be exact. |
| 16:35.46 | goozbach | in bacon lard |
| 16:35.54 | graphyx | sounds good |
| 16:36.02 | vontrapp | what about defried beans? |
| 16:36.07 | harleypig | Sumo wrestlers harvesting ass vegetables! :D :D :D |
| 16:36.20 | harleypig | wops ... wrong wndow |
| 16:36.23 | redbeard1 | whoa. i just walked in and saw the words "bacon lard", and suddenly got hungry |
| 16:36.24 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 16:36.32 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, then you saw harleypig's comment |
| 16:36.41 | redbeard1 | and then i saw harleypig's comment, and that took care of that |
| 16:43.56 | elg | story on /.: |
| 16:43.57 | elg | helomen writes "Opera Browser contains an Easter egg that is not widely known, recently reported over at OperaWatch.com: type /. in the address bar and you are taken directly to slashdot.org. |
| 16:44.12 | elg | hmm, how much do you want to bet thelomen is an opera shill? |
| 16:51.21 | graphyx | ~define shill |
| 16:51.26 | ibot | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 16:51.32 | graphyx | ~dict shill |
| 16:51.57 | elg | maybe he doesn't have to be a shill. just affiliated with opera |
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| 16:52.21 | elg | 1. make /. go to slashdot in your browser |
| 16:52.27 | elg | 2. post to slashdot about it |
| 16:52.28 | elg | 3. ??? |
| 16:52.30 | elg | 4. Profit! |
| 16:53.07 | dataw0lf | hehe |
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| 17:00.35 | graphyx | 3. adsense / affiliate profit sharing? |
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| 17:03.10 | elg | 3. ads, definitely. also, karma whoring and expected market share increase |
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| 17:15.32 | redbeard1 | run for cover! |
| 17:15.42 | lukfugl | you can't hide from me, redbeard |
| 17:15.57 | redbeard1 | christel said it's all going down! |
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| 17:18.01 | levi | Whee. |
| 17:18.25 | elg | -lart lukfugl |
| 17:18.30 | elg | er, I mean, |
| 17:18.32 | elg | ~welcome lukfugl |
| 17:18.34 | ibot | lukfugl, Sup yo? |
| 17:18.50 | lukfugl | ibot: not much, thanks |
| 17:18.55 | vontrapp | -chat about iowa state |
| 17:18.55 | brac | iowa state |
| 17:19.02 | lukfugl | lol |
| 17:19.04 | vontrapp | -lart brac |
| 17:19.39 | elg | -chat |
| 17:19.39 | brac | there's a pigeon on your fore head and shoulders with a local phenomenon. |
| 17:19.43 | lukfugl | brac! you've got headpigeons. go see the nurse |
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| 17:19.46 | *** mode/#utah [-o tensai] by ChanServ |
| 17:19.53 | redbeard1 | lukfugl: what is Ferret Legging? |
| 17:20.02 | tensai | ChanServ: you jerk! |
| 17:20.04 | lukfugl | I have no idea |
| 17:20.17 | elg | lol |
| 17:20.28 | elg | tensai: sorry dude. chanserv decided it doesn't like you |
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| 17:20.54 | elg | ok, I need your collective estimation skills |
| 17:21.04 | elg | 1.5 pound boule (round loaf of bread) |
| 17:21.07 | emcnabb | 42 |
| 17:21.12 | elg | approximate dimensions? |
| 17:21.17 | Lone_Wanderer | ~lart emcnabb for beating me to it |
| 17:21.18 | elg | i.e. what size dutch oven should I get? |
| 17:21.20 | tensai | elg: just means you need to make me a chanop |
| 17:21.21 | lukfugl | density? |
| 17:21.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Just get the normal sized one, elg. i.e. slightly more than a foot across and slightly less than a foot deep. |
| 17:21.59 | elg | how many quarts is that? |
| 17:22.07 | Lone_Wanderer | err wait, it'd be more than slightly more than a foot across. more like slightly more than 18 inches across. |
| 17:22.10 | vontrapp | emcnabb: that reminds me, in math class the other day, the teacher writes something out, "equals ..." |
| 17:22.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Elephant + Rhino |
| 17:22.31 | vontrapp | then waits, offers some guesses of his own "5" ... "7" ... "42" |
| 17:22.33 | elg | lukfugl: 1.5 pounds is the normal loaf size at the supermarket |
| 17:22.39 | elg | expect similar density |
| 17:22.46 | vontrapp | no response, he makes some comment on how we need to read douglas adams |
| 17:22.51 | lukfugl | yeah, standard size dutch oven should do then |
| 17:23.03 | elg | ah, but what is standard size? |
| 17:23.04 | vontrapp | then a bit later someone laughs, "oh, i get it now!" |
| 17:23.07 | tensai | elg: seems like the standard size is about 4 quarts |
| 17:23.12 | emcnabb | vontrapp: nice |
| 17:24.03 | elg | k wish me luck |
| 17:24.47 | emcnabb | ~wish elg |
| 17:24.56 | emcnabb | ~luck elg |
| 17:26.56 | levi | Heh, interesting trivia: Whitfield Diffie, who is the Diffie of Diffie-Hellman key exchange, is also credited with the invention of the slideshow presentation program. |
| 17:27.32 | vontrapp | weren't there slideshows before there were programs? |
| 17:27.43 | levi | His program was the ancestor of PowerPoint. |
| 17:27.44 | Lone_Wanderer | The rate that the slides advance will be a prime number. Or something. |
| 17:27.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Every three seconds. (I didn't say it'd be strong.) |
| 17:28.05 | vontrapp | ol |
| 17:28.19 | vontrapp | stupid key |
| 17:28.40 | levi | Ironically, he works now for Sun Microsystems, where PowerPoint is banned. |
| 17:29.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Are any powerpoint-like programs allowed at all? |
| 17:29.26 | levi | No. |
| 17:29.42 | levi | To do slideshows, they get mylar sheets and markers. |
| 17:29.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Excellent. I've never liked PowerPoint. |
| 17:30.06 | Lone_Wanderer | The style of presentation that it encourages, anyway. |
| 17:30.28 | sjansen | Death to PowerPoint! |
| 17:30.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Kill all the lawyers! |
| 17:31.00 | brac | Kill all the way it does all choir |
| 17:31.17 | Lone_Wanderer | -kill -9 brac |
| 17:31.29 | goozbach | amen, death to powerpoint |
| 17:31.36 | goozbach | ~channel garr |
| 17:33.22 | emcnabb | sjansen: so I hear you're engaged? |
| 17:35.00 | lukfugl | gha?! |
| 17:35.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Ohhh, is this true? |
| 17:35.00 | sjansen | emcnabb: Really? What's her name? |
| 17:35.00 | emcnabb | sjansen: not sure |
| 17:35.01 | emcnabb | you tell me |
| 17:35.01 | \me_ | for any of you Pligg fans I need some help digging this up: http://www.digg.com/software/Extend_Pligg_the_Digg_clone_With_Pligg_Modules |
| 17:35.01 | emcnabb | either way, congrats! |
| 17:35.06 | sjansen | http://www.amazon.com/Cognitive-Style-Power-Point/dp/0961392150 |
| 17:35.19 | tensai | ~lart Keyboard not present. Press F1 to continue. |
| 17:35.29 | goozbach | sjansen engaged?! pfft! that's a good one! |
| 17:35.46 | Lone_Wanderer | \me_: Digg Must Die. |
| 17:35.50 | emcnabb | goozbach: yeah, I'm just trying to spicen up my day with a few vicious rumors |
| 17:36.14 | goozbach | I like it! |
| 17:36.31 | goozbach | sjansen is engaged to a russian mail-order bride? |
| 17:36.32 | \me_ | Digg is great for getting news out there fast |
| 17:36.37 | emcnabb | goozbach: ROFL |
| 17:36.41 | goozbach | since when did that become legal? |
| 17:36.50 | Lone_Wanderer | \me_: Digg sucks! Reddit for life! |
| 17:36.55 | goozbach | I hear she's 6'5" |
| 17:36.56 | emcnabb | sjansen: is her name Anastasia |
| 17:36.59 | emcnabb | ? |
| 17:37.04 | tensai | I heard he got engaged to Lucy Liu while teaching a class in So Cal |
| 17:37.08 | emcnabb | Russian or Ukranian? |
| 17:37.12 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I'm going to name one of my daughters Anastasia. |
| 17:37.22 | goozbach | maybe it was ukranian... |
| 17:37.32 | \me_ | I'm old fashioned - never even tried reddit |
| 17:37.36 | \me_ | maybe I should post there too |
| 17:37.46 | Lone_Wanderer | My sister adopted two kids from the Ukraine. One was named Anastasia, the other Peter. |
| 17:38.01 | levi | I read Reddit. I don't read Digg. I won't open a user account on either. |
| 17:38.02 | emcnabb | Lone_Wanderer: sjansen is hitting on your neice? |
| 17:38.07 | Lone_Wanderer | \me_: We don't like Digg types coming over to Reddit. It's an elite community. |
| 17:38.11 | emcnabb | niece |
| 17:39.12 | \me_ | emcnabb is going to marry his niece? |
| 17:39.22 | Lone_Wanderer | An egalitarian community, focused on sharing and, umm. Dangit, I misplaced my Web 2.0 Buzzword cheat sheet. |
| 17:39.35 | emcnabb | \me_: sorry, I'm already married |
| 17:39.39 | Lone_Wanderer | I think she's about nine years old, and is as likely to attempt to murder you as look at you. |
| 17:39.50 | Lone_Wanderer | (severe reactionary attachment disorder) |
| 17:39.54 | Lone_Wanderer | So hey, go for it. |
| 17:40.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Makes for good stories at dinner though. |
| 17:40.30 | levi | This looks like it could be a very interesting book: http://pyre.third-bit.com/blog/archives/863.html |
| 17:43.17 | levi | Quite a bit of breadth in the author list there. |
| 17:44.52 | lukfugl | are those essays collected into the book, or commissioned for the book? |
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| 17:49.16 | levi | I think they're collected, not commissioned. But I'm not sure. |
| 17:49.22 | \me_ | man reddit needs a graphic designer |
| 17:49.30 | Lone_Wanderer | They have one. |
| 17:49.33 | Lone_Wanderer | He draws the aliens. |
| 17:50.01 | \me_ | lol |
| 17:50.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Woah, Chunk has lost weight: http://www.globaltalentassoc.com/site/clients/goonie.htm |
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| 17:50.36 | brac | [Global Talent Associates - Jeff Cohen] |
| 17:52.01 | Lone_Wanderer | \me_: On a completely serious note, I do prefer reddit's design over Digg's. Insert quote from Antoinne de St. Exupery and all that. |
| 17:52.29 | levi | I prefer Reddit's design, too. |
| 17:52.46 | levi | It keeps people who prefer Digg's design away. |
| 17:53.14 | \me_ | it is very simple |
| 17:53.35 | levi | Simple is good. |
| 17:53.35 | \me_ | Okay - for all you Reddit fanboys, here's the Reddit submission - "reddit" away: http://programming.reddit.com/info/19pf3/comments |
| 17:56.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Apparently only among Digg fans ;) |
| 17:56.24 | redbeard1 | do they still make those? |
| 17:56.40 | beandog | whats pligg? |
| 17:57.56 | redbeard1 | beandog: i think it's a clone left over from the wars |
| 17:58.24 | beandog | whats the difference between reddit and digg? |
| 17:59.10 | \me_ | beandog: it's an open source digg clone, basically |
| 17:59.19 | levi | Um. |
| 17:59.22 | \me_ | see http://www.came2pass.com (shameless plug) |
| 17:59.24 | levi | Reddit is not open source. |
| 17:59.34 | \me_ | not reddit, pligg |
| 17:59.34 | levi | Or are you describing pligg? |
| 17:59.55 | redbeard1 | beandog asked what the difference was between reddit and digg |
| 17:59.58 | beandog | the thing I hate about these sites (reddit / digg / slashdot) is the sensationalism |
| 18:00.05 | beandog | Israel's ambassador to El Salvador found in street drunk, wearing only bondage gear (news.bbc.co.uk) |
| 18:00.07 | beandog | like that. |
| 18:00.09 | Lone_Wanderer | beandog: Reddit is good, Digg is not. Reddit has a cute, informative alien from the future. Digg has... a shovel. |
| 18:00.10 | beandog | Talk about Weekly World News. |
| 18:00.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahhh, yes, those silly Jews. |
| 18:00.57 | \me_ | beandog also asked what pligg was |
| 18:01.39 | levi | I don't watch the Reddit front page much, mostly the programming subreddit. |
| 18:03.29 | uncle_jesse | do any of the subreddits go to the front page? |
| 18:04.11 | Lone_Wanderer | yes |
| 18:04.31 | Lone_Wanderer | the hot page regularly has things from the programming subreddit |
| 18:04.40 | levi | I'm not sure how that works, as I've never submitted (or voted up or down) anything. |
| 18:20.15 | ^Migs^ | I hate optimizing |
| 18:21.06 | Lone_Wanderer | This looks like a job for... Optimize Prime! |
| 18:24.39 | sjansen | emcnabb is a North Korea infiltrator? |
| 18:24.45 | beandog | oh man. |
| 18:24.48 | beandog | thats a bad joke, levi |
| 18:24.51 | beandog | er Lone_Wanderer |
| 18:25.53 | emcnabb | sjansen: ooh, that's a good one! |
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| 18:41.43 | Lone_Wanderer | I want my gmail back :( |
| 18:41.47 | rsimpkins | Is everyone coming to PLUG this week? |
| 18:43.10 | goozbach | gmail broke? |
| 18:43.14 | macnewbold | Lone_Wanderer: where'd your gmail go? |
| 18:43.26 | goozbach | grab the pitchforks and the torches |
| 18:43.35 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know, I just can't access it. |
| 18:43.58 | goozbach | let's beat down their doors, for offering a free service, and not signing an SLA!!! |
| 18:44.00 | macnewbold | weird - mine works |
| 18:44.29 | Lone_Wanderer | May be the machine(s) my account is on. |
| 18:46.32 | sjansen | NOTABUG WORKSFORME |
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| 18:50.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahhh, the sjansen method. |
| 18:50.51 | Lone_Wanderer | If it works for Stuart, itsfine. |
| 18:53.34 | sjansen | ~javassist |
| 18:53.48 | sjansen | Man, Javassist rocks hard core. |
| 18:54.52 | Lone_Wanderer | ibot: javassist is rocks hard core. |
| 18:54.54 | ibot | okay, Lone_Wanderer |
| 18:54.55 | sjansen | ibot: javassist is <reply> Javassist (Java programming assistant) is a load-time reflective system for Java. It is a class library for editing bytecodes in Java; it enables Java programs to define a new class at runtime and to modify a class file before the JVM loads it. http://www.jboss.com/products/javassist |
| 18:54.57 | ibot | ...but javassist is already something else... |
| 18:54.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Oops. |
| 18:55.29 | sjansen | ibot: no javassist is <reply> Javassist (Java programming assistant) is a load-time reflective system for Java. It is a class library for editing bytecodes in Java; it enables Java programs to define a new class at runtime and to modify a class file before the JVM loads it. http://www.jboss.com/products/javassist |
| 18:55.30 | ibot | okay, sjansen |
| 18:55.46 | Lone_Wanderer | ~javassist |
| 18:55.47 | ibot | Javassist (Java programming assistant) is a load-time reflective system for Java. It is a class library for editing bytecodes in Java; it enables Java programs to define a new class at runtime and to modify a class file before the JVM loads it. http://www.jboss.com/products/javassist |
| 18:56.18 | sjansen | Translation: Javassist makes meta-programming in Java just a little easier. |
| 19:01.14 | levi | sjansen: You'd better not turn into another Brian Sant. |
| 19:01.48 | sjansen | Oh, no, I'm still intimately aware of the many things Java makes harder than it should. |
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| 19:02.18 | sjansen | It shouldn't be necessary to write a bytecode parser and generator just to do a little meta-programming. But now that someone has... |
| 19:02.31 | levi | We wouldn't want to have to put you down. |
| 19:04.25 | sjansen | My opinion of Java is starting to match my opinion of C: Sure, it's ugly and harder to use than it should be, but it has such a rich ecosystem that (for the right problems) it's a great tool. |
| 19:05.37 | levi | Heh. |
| 19:06.09 | levi | That's been my opinion of Java for a long time. Unfortunately, it's another case of 'worse is better'. |
| 19:08.59 | levi | We sacrifice a tremendous amount of opportunity for truly better ways to build and run software to the gods of backwards compatibility and ease of throwing together already-built components. |
| 19:09.31 | ScytheBlade1 | levi: that's borderline poetry |
| 19:10.00 | levi | The trade-off has been clearly beneficial to the software business, but not necessarily to the overall quality of software engineering as a discipline. |
| 19:11.23 | graphyx | who is familiar with python and/or scapy? |
| 19:12.27 | levi | This is why we still run Unix and C. They work okay, they've always been more 'open' than competitors, and there is now a whole pile of momentum behind them. |
| 19:13.53 | levi | And so we are stuck with a situation that compels us to either build on the above sandy foundation or doom our work to irrelevancy. |
| 19:14.07 | levi | Alas. |
| 19:14.17 | levi | Now, it's time to eat lunch. |
| 19:15.58 | dataw0lf | graphyx: both. |
| 19:17.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, delightful. Apparently my blueberry bagel was at one point in close proximity to one of its cousins, the onion bagel. |
| 19:18.59 | macnewbold | hehe |
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| 19:25.53 | djay-il | beandog: pingy |
| 19:26.10 | djay-il | ok |
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| 19:27.01 | goozbach | wow, I just got a targeted spam |
| 19:27.05 | goozbach | from my snopes post on my website |
| 19:27.48 | goozbach | they asked a question about some 419 spam, and then in the signature of the email there was a url with a token in it. |
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| 19:33.22 | goozbach | maquis: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B00032G1S0/sr=8-1/qid=1173712461/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt/103-5063414-5176652?ie=UTF8&n=3370831&s=gourmet-food&qid=1173712461&sr=8-1 |
| 19:33.35 | goozbach | are all your customers *that* high on crack? |
| 19:38.54 | beandog | real milk shouldn't come in clear containers anyway |
| 19:39.55 | levi | My real milk from Winder Farms comes in clear containers. It is yummy. |
| 19:40.54 | levi | I'm not crazy about drinking it plain, but sometimes it's the only way to go. |
| 19:41.01 | levi | Like after eating a nice, warm brownie. |
| 19:41.35 | synic | yes. |
| 19:41.36 | sjansen | Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, brownie. |
| 19:41.55 | levi | Also, one must have the plain milk to bake all sorts of delicious things. |
| 19:42.15 | levi | And it also makes a pretty good substrate for delicious beverages like chocolate milk, milkshake, etc. |
| 19:42.21 | Jayce^ | mmm, my wifes brownies.. |
| 19:43.12 | levi | Milk can easily be made to taste absolutely nasty by having the wrong flavors in your mouth when you drink it. |
| 19:44.08 | macnewbold | or the wrong smells in your nose... |
| 19:45.21 | dataw0lf | graphyx: if you still need help with scapy, let me know. |
| 19:46.02 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 19:49.28 | goozbach | levi: read the comments, it's *SO* thick, that it doens't form a good substrate for cholocate!!! |
| 19:50.03 | levi | goozbach: Clearly that comment is as bogus as all the others. |
| 19:51.07 | goozbach | levi: it's a joke |
| 19:51.22 | goozbach | yeah... |
| 19:51.24 | goozbach | um... |
| 19:51.25 | levi | goozbach: Indeed. |
| 19:51.43 | maquis | goozbach: you hadn't seen that before? |
| 19:52.48 | goozbach | maquis: nope |
| 19:52.58 | goozbach | dave barry linked to it today |
| 19:53.32 | maquis | goozbach: there are others too |
| 19:53.46 | elg | walmart failed me |
| 19:54.03 | elg | one 3-qt and very shallow not-quite-dutch-oven combo oven thing |
| 19:54.12 | elg | that did nevertheless look very handy (the lid doubles as a frying pan) |
| 19:54.14 | levi | Hrm, that's unfortunate. |
| 19:54.29 | elg | one 6-quart $40 dutch oven (no thanks, too expensive) |
| 19:54.43 | goozbach | elg: get a lodge 12" |
| 19:54.44 | maquis | the funny thing is, from what i've heard, originally they were removed, and jeff bezos made them put the comments back :) |
| 19:54.45 | elg | and some cheaper light-metal enamel dutch ovens |
| 19:54.46 | levi | elg: Are there any camping/outdoors kinds of stores nearby? |
| 19:54.58 | goozbach | you can't go wrong with lodge |
| 19:54.59 | elg | but they didn't have a tight seal. the steam would escape |
| 19:55.15 | goozbach | the lodge? |
| 19:55.26 | goozbach | you're looking at baking bread? |
| 19:55.40 | elg | no the lodge would seal |
| 19:55.47 | elg | but I haven't found an affordable one yet |
| 19:55.53 | elg | ya, for bread baking |
| 19:56.03 | elg | i found one to borrow in the near term |
| 19:56.11 | elg | so now there's no rush |
| 19:56.20 | elg | and we'll see if I even want to invest in it based on the results |
| 19:56.42 | levi | Dutch ovens are nice to have even if the bread baking results don't turn out. |
| 19:57.39 | elg | true. no doubt I'll eventually get one (lodge) |
| 19:57.52 | levi | My wife loves dutch ovens, so we have several. |
| 19:58.16 | elg | but whether I get one soon will depend on the bread, or if my wife gets wind of some tantalizing recipes |
| 19:58.35 | elg | right now her attitude is "what would we do with a dutch oven, if you decide it doesn't work for bread?" |
| 19:58.40 | elg | I said, "um, cobbler?" |
| 19:59.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh THAT kind of Tuscan. I was thinking Tuscany. |
| 19:59.24 | levi | I can't wait for a little more warmth in the weather so I can go camping. |
| 19:59.35 | elg | -weather klru |
| 19:59.36 | brac | 26 minutes ago, on Mon Mar 12 19:34:00 UTC 2007, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.60 meters per second (8.06 miles per hour) from the North at KLRU. The temperature was 18 degrees Celsius (64 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1022 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 36.8%. There were scattered clouds at a height of 1829 meters (6000 feet) and scattered clouds |
| 19:59.36 | brac | at a height of 3658 meters (12000 feet). |
| 19:59.39 | goozbach | elg: the answer is, "cobbler, roast beef, potatoes, fish, camping, food, goodstuff, YUMMY!" |
| 19:59.49 | Lone_Wanderer | levi: warm? camping? |
| 20:00.14 | Lone_Wanderer | levi: You can go camping at ANY temperature. If it's warmer than 20 below, you're not roughing it. |
| 20:00.41 | goozbach | yeah, just ask Jayce^ |
| 20:00.42 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: I don't particularly want to rough it; I just want to get away. |
| 20:00.44 | dataw0lf | I went camping this weekend, instead of going to 300 |
| 20:00.47 | mheath | yah |
| 20:01.07 | mheath | 3rd in my class on the math test (and waiting for a potential regrading that could make me 2nd or tied for first) |
| 20:01.25 | Lone_Wanderer | I prefer winter camping, actually. |
| 20:01.37 | dataw0lf | it wasn't even cold |
| 20:01.47 | dataw0lf | I'm in Nevada though, but I think our temperatures are comparable. |
| 20:01.50 | levi | I was 1st or tied for 1st for the test in my interpersonal communications class. Plus, my teacher loves my writing. :P |
| 20:02.41 | levi | We'd have our baby daughter with us, though, and we don't want her to freeze. |
| 20:03.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, yeah. Babies are prone to freezing. |
| 20:03.33 | graphyx | dataw0lf: I was thinking of a really spiffy addition to scapy |
| 20:03.59 | dataw0lf | graphyx: Like what? |
| 20:04.01 | Jayce^ | mm, winter camping :) |
| 20:04.04 | elg | levi: there is a sporting store nearby |
| 20:04.09 | elg | i haven't looked there |
| 20:04.20 | graphyx | dataw0lf: something along the lines of allowing you to run say like nmap through it and then being able to analyze the packets. |
| 20:04.30 | elg | but from what I'm seeing in general, cast iron ovens are about 2x what I'm willing to pay for them |
| 20:04.30 | levi | elg: They may or may not have a selection of dutch ovens, depending on what kind of sporting store it is. |
| 20:04.49 | dataw0lf | graphyx: scapy uses libpcap, so it's able to analyze any pcap dumped packets. |
| 20:04.50 | graphyx | And possibly manipulation of the packet capture and replay for further testing |
| 20:05.37 | graphyx | and eventually a rewrite of matched packets in real time |
| 20:05.44 | graphyx | for further things |
| 20:05.45 | dataw0lf | I just built a pretty cool packet fuzzer for use with scapy. |
| 20:05.57 | graphyx | what protocol? |
| 20:06.24 | dataw0lf | pretty much any protocol. |
| 20:07.31 | mheath | gha |
| 20:07.31 | mheath | it's march, and I'm hating the weather |
| 20:07.31 | mheath | I have to go run a PFA in this weather today |
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| 20:07.44 | graphyx | The goal would be to be able to troubleshoot/analyze the flow of tools and tweak the tool to work better for that specific environment without having to patch the tool for that specific environment. |
| 20:08.03 | mheath | But, I did really well on my math test, doing better in basic electricity.. |
| 20:08.12 | mheath | had 3 labs in basic electricity today too |
| 20:08.28 | dataw0lf | that's what the python interpreter is for. I have a bunch of network tools that I just import into that, and I'm able to do pen testing, network analysis, etc, for most networks. |
| 20:09.03 | dataw0lf | just write a higher order function and wrap it into scapy methods/functions |
| 20:09.39 | levi | elg: You might try looking at army/navy stores, too. That seems to be where the cheapest online ones are. |
| 20:10.53 | mheath | http://www.amazon.com/Read-Fantasy-Fiction-Reading-Lists/dp/1591583306/ref=sr_1_4/104-1343903-1340711?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173730211&sr=8-4 |
| 20:10.59 | mheath | Wow. I have a published relative. |
| 20:11.03 | mheath | Thats my Uncle. |
| 20:11.51 | graphyx | dataw0lf: Do you happen to have any links to those tools? |
| 20:12.21 | graphyx | mheath: do you have a blog? |
| 20:12.33 | mheath | graphyx, working on that :P |
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| 20:13.11 | mheath | Sorry. Ignore my random comments. |
| 20:13.12 | graphyx | You could put things like that up on a blog |
| 20:13.21 | dataw0lf | graphyx: here are some of the best python tools for sec: http://oss.coresecurity.com/projects/pcapy.html |
| 20:13.26 | brac | [.:: CORE SECURITY TECHNOLOGIES ::.] |
| 20:13.32 | dataw0lf | most of them are app sec heavy, but they're all pretty useful. |
| 20:13.47 | dataw0lf | InlineEgg is awesome. |
| 20:13.58 | graphyx | cool |
| 20:14.02 | mheath | graphyx, yeah, I know. I really shouldn't make so many random comments. |
| 20:14.03 | uncle_jesse | blogging is my cure for irc randome comments |
| 20:14.10 | uncle_jesse | random |
| 20:14.15 | mheath | uncle_jesse, no one would read my blog though :P |
| 20:14.27 | uncle_jesse | mheath: put it on openclue and people will :-) |
| 20:14.34 | Jayce^ | mheath, nobody reads uncle_jesse's either |
| 20:14.35 | graphyx | I'll take a look at the next time I have to do packet level attacks |
| 20:14.36 | graphyx | thanks |
| 20:14.37 | mheath | I don't mean that so much as "no one cares", more so "no one will know about it" |
| 20:14.54 | mheath | ~attack graphyx |
| 20:15.14 | ibot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing graphyx |
| 20:15.16 | uncle_jesse | Jayce^: exactly - they most likely ignore mine, but at least I'm satisfied |
| 20:15.28 | graphyx | Well, when google indexes your site people looking for things on that topic would find it |
| 20:16.07 | graphyx | remember a guy got famous of digg for instructions on how to efficiently tie shoes. |
| 20:16.14 | levi | elg: https://secure7.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=armynavy&BusType=BtoC&Count1=7473170&Count2=924613595&ProductID=1974&Target=products.asp |
| 20:16.16 | elg | -lart brailsmt* |
| 20:16.24 | graphyx | s/of/on/ |
| 20:16.39 | levi | graphyx: That site was around and 'famous' long before digg came around. |
| 20:16.52 | graphyx | fair enough |
| 20:17.00 | graphyx | see, it doesn't even take dig |
| 20:17.13 | levi | I could probably find it in my own blog archives. |
| 20:18.01 | elg | hey, those are good prices |
| 20:18.21 | levi | I thought you might find those more attractive. |
| 20:18.40 | levi | The big dutch oven brands are way more expensive than the off-brand ones. |
| 20:19.12 | elg | and heaven knows we can't trust off-brand to cast iron |
| 20:19.18 | levi | Heh. |
| 20:19.22 | elg | it's such a complicated thing, casting iron |
| 20:20.05 | levi | Really, I don't know if there's any reason to buy Camp Chef or Lodge over some generic dutch oven. There may be, for the serious dutch oven chef, but probably not for your application. |
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| 20:20.30 | elg | i'm inclined to agree |
| 20:20.38 | Jayce^ | usually you buy those brands because they are what you find :) |
| 20:21.02 | Jayce^ | as long as the thickness is right, and you have the features you want.. who cares what brand |
| 20:28.54 | tensai | lodge's cast iron is preseasoned. they're also made in the usa which is a plus. |
| 20:29.15 | Lone_Wanderer | isn't seasoning cast iron just a matter of putting some butter in it and getting it warm? |
| 20:29.17 | elg | i don't know if I trust the preseasoning |
| 20:29.26 | elg | Lone_Wanderer: yes. it's not rocket science |
| 20:29.36 | elg | but it is above the ability of some |
| 20:29.39 | Jayce^ | just want the fats to bond to the iron |
| 20:29.47 | dataw0lf | you guys know way too much about casting iron |
| 20:29.58 | elg | as for made in the USA, do the asians or latinos put poison in theirs? |
| 20:29.59 | Jayce^ | usually butter isn't the best one though, funny burn flavor, and a low smoke point |
| 20:30.02 | dataw0lf | I must not be on the cast iron mailing list... :\ |
| 20:30.43 | elg | yeah, butter's not a great choice. Jayce^ which oil/fat whatever do you use? |
| 20:30.46 | tensai | Lone_Wanderer: the more you season it the more non-stick it gets. one time in the oven isn't really seasoned. |
| 20:31.02 | Jayce^ | elg, usually just a vegetable oil.. something with a high smoke point.. |
| 20:31.07 | Jayce^ | neutral flavor |
| 20:31.11 | elg | how about shortening? |
| 20:31.12 | tensai | elg: no, they're not poisoned. I'm on a buy local kick right now. |
| 20:31.18 | Jayce^ | elg, very good |
| 20:31.25 | elg | that's what I used on my frying pan |
| 20:31.32 | Jayce^ | yeah, shortening is great\ |
| 20:32.11 | elg | i learned, you often have to reseason your cast iron comal after roasting chile on it |
| 20:32.25 | Jayce^ | acid |
| 20:32.38 | elg | ya. strong acid :) |
| 20:32.41 | harleypig | microdots |
| 20:32.52 | Lone_Wanderer | microdots? |
| 20:32.55 | elg | he wore an itsy bitsy microdot bikini |
| 20:32.56 | tensai | hmm. I've never had trouble roasting chiles in my skillet. |
| 20:33.00 | harleypig | or are we talking a different kind of acid? |
| 20:33.04 | Jayce^ | elg, who? harley? :) |
| 20:33.06 | levi | We usually use oil or shortening, but we also got some inorganic seasoning stuff for when we're going to store the ovens for a long time. |
| 20:33.34 | Jayce^ | levi, probably a good idea, I've never used it though.. |
| 20:33.39 | harleypig | meh ... I not that stoopid any more. |
| 20:33.44 | elg | legs or no legs |
| 20:33.46 | Jayce^ | just usually plan on reseasoning in the spring every year.. |
| 20:33.50 | Jayce^ | and smoke out the neighbors :) |
| 20:34.09 | tensai | legs if you want to take it camping, no legs if you want to use it on the stove |
| 20:34.12 | harleypig | Although I did try that stuff that had to be spread on with a toothpick Jayce^ had a couple of years ago. |
| 20:34.27 | Jayce^ | harleypig, 'spead' :) |
| 20:34.31 | Jayce^ | spread.. |
| 20:34.36 | Jayce^ | you mean dripped |
| 20:34.43 | Jayce^ | mmm, malagueta |
| 20:34.54 | Jayce^ | that stuff has aged a couple more years now.. |
| 20:34.58 | Jayce^ | even more potent.. |
| 20:35.04 | harleypig | No thanks. |
| 20:35.11 | harleypig | I couldn't taste anything the rest of the night. |
| 20:35.12 | Jayce^ | but I need some new cacha'ca to put in there |
| 20:35.22 | Jayce^ | oh you could taste *something* :) |
| 20:35.47 | elg | what if you want to take it camping on occasion but more frequently want to use it on/in the stove |
| 20:36.14 | Lone_Wanderer | elg: you'd probably be fine with no legs, you can use rocks or something when you're camping. |
| 20:36.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Just don't get them out of a stream. |
| 20:36.19 | Jayce^ | elg, the legs are really handy/nice if you use charcoal, but you don't really want them for most stovetops |
| 20:36.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Unless you want potential explosions. |
| 20:36.53 | lukfugl | exploding rocks are teh awesome |
| 20:37.38 | tensai | I plan to get a enamel dutch oven for the house and a legged raw cast iron for camping |
| 20:37.41 | tensai | some day |
| 20:38.20 | Jayce^ | yeah, I'd like the enamel one for inside, have plenty of outdoor ones |
| 20:38.26 | Jayce^ | they get plenty of use |
| 20:38.39 | levi | I love Le Creuset stuff, but it's just so incredibly expensive. |
| 20:38.49 | Jayce^ | yeah, no chance of buying those.. |
| 20:38.52 | elg | and now the question you all were waiting for. anyone have one they want to give away? ;-) |
| 20:39.16 | tensai | elg: as if shipping one to new mexico wouldn't cost more than buying a le creuset |
| 20:39.54 | elg | hehe. not quite that much |
| 20:40.03 | sjansen | Well, thanks to y'all I had a cream cheese brownie for lunch. |
| 20:40.26 | Lone_Wanderer | One? |
| 20:40.44 | Lone_Wanderer | But did you have Tuscan Whole milk with it? |
| 20:40.49 | sjansen | I should've had the fudge brownie. It was less cakey. |
| 20:43.27 | goozbach | that brings me up to 3 now |
| 20:43.35 | goozbach | love my cast iron. |
| 20:43.44 | dataw0lf | I had no idea cast iron was so popular. |
| 20:44.07 | goozbach | dataw0lf: it's the way all the cool kids cook |
| 20:44.13 | dataw0lf | apparently. |
| 20:44.14 | goozbach | it's just so good |
| 20:44.59 | dataw0lf | Microwave + bowls, really. |
| 20:45.20 | Lone_Wanderer | What is so great about it? |
| 20:45.43 | dataw0lf | perhaps because it seconds as a self defense weapon |
| 20:46.28 | elg | it's nonstick without all the silly rules about no forks |
| 20:46.42 | elg | and heat retention is your friend |
| 20:46.46 | tensai | holds heat like an animal. absolutely indestructive. |
| 20:47.03 | elg | abso-bloomin'-lutely |
| 20:47.04 | tensai | indestructive? may indestructable. |
| 20:47.17 | tensai | s/may/maybe. |
| 20:47.22 | goozbach | they're worth the money |
| 20:47.23 | tensai | grr. I should just give up. |
| 20:47.26 | goozbach | they'll last |
| 20:47.31 | brac | grr. I should look for a few years back |
| 20:47.32 | goozbach | heat rentention |
| 20:47.52 | goozbach | I'm going to inherit my father's cast iron when he's gone |
| 20:47.55 | tensai | see if you can inherit one from your grandma. it'll be better than brand new. |
| 20:48.09 | goozbach | let my brothers fight over the house/cars/etc I want the cast iron |
| 20:48.20 | goozbach | tensai: I've already done that |
| 20:48.32 | goozbach | my 17" skillet is ~40yrs old |
| 20:48.44 | tensai | that's sweet |
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| 20:49.43 | tensai | you also don't have to wash them. just wipe the food out, rub it with oil and store. |
| 20:50.32 | tensai | oven safe to insane temperatures |
| 20:50.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Wouldn't it be oven safe up to the melting point of iron? |
| 20:51.04 | macnewbold | in other words, insane temperatures :) |
| 20:51.17 | tensai | I don't expect your oven gets that hot |
| 20:51.22 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't think conventional ovens can get that hot without destroying themselves. |
| 20:51.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Unless you like to bake things in a blast furnace... |
| 20:51.42 | macnewbold | if you get close enough to "melting point" it would likely soften and perhaps deform, but until that point, it's great |
| 20:51.52 | Lone_Wanderer | "The cake's almost done, keep shoveling the coke!" |
| 20:52.24 | sjansen | Bah, cast iron takes too long to heat up. I prefer to cook on tissue paper. |
| 20:52.37 | tensai | at that temperature the cake would be burned before you even finished that sentence |
| 20:52.55 | levi | Speaking of really hot ovens, you can make yourself a glass flower at Thanksgiving Point for a reasonable fee. You get to work the molten glass with the tools and everything. |
| 20:53.00 | tensai | sjansen: ordering takeout != cook |
| 20:53.03 | Lone_Wanderer | You're assuming I'm discussing baking a cake for an Earth-native, carbon-based life form. |
| 20:53.55 | levi | The chlorine-breathers have some different heating requirements, eh? |
| 20:54.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Yep. |
| 20:56.06 | goozbach | cast iron makes a good pork chop |
| 20:56.21 | goozbach | ohh and my refried beans |
| 20:56.46 | Jayce^ | with cast iron, it's all about flavor-continuation... |
| 20:56.51 | Jayce^ | the cast iron donates flavors :) |
| 20:56.58 | tensai | goozbach: probably make a good chupaqueso too |
| 20:57.03 | Jayce^ | cast iron + steak |
| 20:57.08 | Jayce^ | tensai++ |
| 20:57.10 | Lone_Wanderer | I read a short story once about a... well, here, read it. |
| 20:57.12 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.lib.ru/ZELQZNY/Collector_sFever.txt |
| 20:57.28 | Lone_Wanderer | It's about two pages. |
| 20:59.09 | goozbach | tensai: that they do... that they do... |
| 21:07.34 | goozbach | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverage-can_stove |
| 21:09.59 | elg | nifty |
| 21:10.55 | graphyx | ok it is time for me to re-register my domain. I go through go daddy currently. Should I change to someone else? Who? Why? |
| 21:11.40 | harleypig | I understand GoDaddy is hemorrhaging (they don't charge enough to make a profit). |
| 21:11.52 | harleypig | But that's 3rd hand from me, 4th to you. |
| 21:11.57 | harleypig | Make of it what you will. |
| 21:12.09 | elg | xmission |
| 21:12.13 | elg | because they rock |
| 21:12.29 | elg | and tensai wants you to buy local |
| 21:16.06 | graphyx | I see |
| 21:16.20 | harleypig | http://bash.org/?734433 |
| 21:16.21 | brac | [QDB: Quote #734433] |
| 21:16.21 | graphyx | anyone having a transfer sale? |
| 21:16.36 | harleypig | How to make a Trekkie go apoplectic |
| 21:17.04 | graphyx | lol |
| 21:17.07 | graphyx | thats funny |
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| 21:24.51 | goozbach | harleypig: thanks for giving me something to waste the last 20min or work |
| 21:24.58 | goozbach | I was going to be bored |
| 21:25.23 | harleypig | goozbach: :] Do you know about qdb.us as well? It's got a lot of cross over. |
| 21:27.02 | goozbach | I freqently hit the random page on both for a time killer |
| 21:28.50 | sjansen | What's the verb for turning an abstract class into a not-abstract class by defining its methods? |
| 21:30.46 | sjansen | And I'm not talking about inheritance. |
| 21:30.46 | goozbach | pineapple? |
| 21:30.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Interface implementation? *doesn't know* |
| 21:30.46 | lukfugl | implementation? |
| 21:30.46 | dataw0lf | concreting? can't remember |
| 21:30.47 | lukfugl | that's the closest I can come, though I don't think it's "right" |
| 21:30.47 | lukfugl | where "right" is the term they use in UML |
| 21:30.47 | goozbach | http://bash.org/?51083 |
| 21:30.51 | brac | [QDB: Quote #51083] |
| 21:30.59 | sjansen | dataw0lf: concreting is the best I can come up with too but... it seems so... |
| 21:31.24 | dataw0lf | sjansen: yea, I know. |
| 21:31.27 | dataw0lf | http://bash.org/?732536 |
| 21:31.27 | brac | [QDB: Quote #732536] |
| 21:32.58 | dataw0lf | sjansen: maybe it's "specifying" or something. |
| 21:33.04 | dataw0lf | I do know there's a word for it. |
| 21:35.38 | lukfugl | the closest I can find via google is "implements", when referring to interfaces |
| 21:37.27 | goozbach | normalizing? |
| 21:37.34 | goozbach | defining? |
| 21:37.37 | goozbach | pineapple? |
| 21:37.49 | redbeard1 | pineapple! |
| 21:37.59 | goozbach | yes, pineapple |
| 21:38.23 | goozbach | so redbeard1 I'm going to be returning the favor for you naming goozpacho after me. |
| 21:38.33 | goozbach | I made some killer rice last night. |
| 21:38.42 | redbeard1 | oh yeah? |
| 21:38.50 | goozbach | and I'm going to post the recipie and call it "bearded rice" |
| 21:39.10 | Lone_Wanderer | The folks on java say it's just "implementing" |
| 21:39.19 | Lone_Wanderer | But then again, I don't know if I trust the kind of person who'd hang out in ##java. |
| 21:39.29 | redbeard1 | sweet! |
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| 21:39.44 | dilvie | hi =) |
| 21:40.26 | sjansen | Hooray juice! Hooray dilvie! |
| 21:40.26 | lukfugl | "realization" ? |
| 21:40.26 | dilvie | hooray. |
| 21:40.27 | sjansen | lukfugl: I was kicking that around myself. I think that's what I'll go with. |
| 21:40.30 | redbeard1 | a coworker just patted me on the back... and my first reaction was to reach back and check for a sticky note that said "kick me" or something. he told me, "i can tell you weren't hugged as a child." |
| 21:40.49 | sjansen | redbeard1: So you stabbed him with a pen? |
| 21:41.01 | redbeard1 | sjansen: he ran before i could |
| 21:41.19 | lukfugl | sjansen: that one's from http://www.visualcase.com/tutorials/class-diagram.htm "The interface Sortable, is used in the above example to show that both Company and Product implement the sort operation. We can say that Company and Product implement Sortable or that they are Sortable. Because Product already generalizes Contact, we could not also allow it to generalize Sortable. Instead, we made Sortable an interface and added a real |
| 21:41.23 | brac | [Visual Case - UML Tutorial - Class Diagram] |
| 21:41.38 | lukfugl | so it's still referring to an interface, rather than an abstract class, but oh well |
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| 22:08.29 | dataw0lf | ahh, Microsoft and their bastard child OpenXML |
| 22:09.35 | harleypig | Can anyone tell me what's wrong with this if statement? (I know what it is, I'm just curious if it's obvious to anyone else. |
| 22:09.38 | harleypig | if ( $c_country eq 'IE' && scalar( keys %schools ) % 1 ) { |
| 22:09.42 | brac | Can anyone help me put it |
| 22:09.51 | harleypig | brac, be quiet |
| 22:09.52 | levi | Fear this: http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_27413,00.html |
| 22:09.55 | brac | [Recipes : Bill Nicholson's Krispy Kreme Bread Pudding with Butter Rum Sauce : Food Network] |
| 22:10.04 | harleypig | oh my |
| 22:10.20 | Jayce^ | oh wow |
| 22:11.07 | tensai | harleypig: every integer is divisible by 1 |
| 22:11.07 | mheath | bah :( |
| 22:11.09 | Jayce^ | if 1 && 0 |
| 22:11.17 | mheath | Horrible Day. This just sucks. |
| 22:11.21 | harleypig | tensai: N %1 == 0 |
| 22:11.31 | Jayce^ | jack skellington is dead? |
| 22:11.34 | tensai | harleypig: right. thus there would be no remainder |
| 22:11.47 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: don't say that! |
| 22:11.47 | harleypig | tensai: Right. So what's wrong with that if statement? |
| 22:12.27 | tensai | harleypig: it's testing a condition that will never be true |
| 22:12.35 | harleypig | Right. |
| 22:13.15 | Jayce^ | tensai, don't you love these sneak peaks at harleypig's code? |
| 22:13.15 | harleypig | *shrug* I just wanted to share. This is one of the more obscure things I've run across. |
| 22:13.15 | harleypig | /slap Jayce^ |
| 22:13.15 | levi | harleypig: Is that just another 'clever' way they used to comment something out? |
| 22:13.15 | harleypig | ? what happened to slap? |
| 22:13.21 | harleypig | levi: Not this time. |
| 22:13.27 | tensai | ~slap harleypig |
| 22:13.31 | ibot | ACTION slaps harleypig, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 22:13.31 | Jayce^ | harleypig, you really think /slap was a command? :) |
| 22:13.42 | harleypig | There's code around it to handle the failure. |
| 22:13.49 | levi | Heh. |
| 22:13.56 | harleypig | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 22:14.03 | harleypig | Good ibot. |
| 22:14.11 | levi | So, who's gonna head home and make some of that bread pudding? ;) |
| 22:14.29 | mheath | I'm hungry. |
| 22:14.41 | harleypig | Someone needs to bring it to plug. |
| 22:14.48 | mheath | Just missed the galley closing though. |
| 22:15.30 | Jayce^ | I'm sure redbeard1 would make some and bring it with his cake :) |
| 22:16.01 | Lone_Wanderer | levi: recipe? |
| 22:16.15 | levi | -urls |
| 22:16.15 | brac | [2007/03/12 16:09:55] <levi> http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_27413,00.html |
| 22:16.15 | brac | [2007/03/12 15:41:22] <lukfugl> http://www.visualcase.com/tutorials/class-diagram.htm |
| 22:16.15 | brac | [2007/03/12 15:31:27] <dataw0lf> http://bash.org/?732536 |
| 22:16.16 | brac | [2007/03/12 15:30:45] <goozbach> http://bash.org/?51083 |
| 22:16.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Eeeexcellent |
| 22:16.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Soon I will dominate the world, with the assistance of my delicious bread pudding monster. |
| 22:17.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Then again, if it involves Krispy Kremes, I'd rather die. |
| 22:17.52 | Lone_Wanderer | "Rum, to taste" to me means "As much as I can get and still walk." |
| 22:18.01 | dataw0lf | mheath: you're not even old enough to drink, you can't make the old 'utahns don't drink' jokes |
| 22:18.02 | Lone_Wanderer | I'd drink rum at work if I could get it without alcohol. |
| 22:18.13 | dataw0lf | you have to have a couple hairs on your chin for that |
| 22:18.35 | mheath | OH CRAP |
| 22:18.37 | mheath | bah |
| 22:19.06 | dataw0lf | rain |
| 22:20.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Someone needs to make the rum equivalent of root beer. |
| 22:20.34 | dataw0lf | it's called half root beer, half cap'n morgan |
| 22:22.01 | mheath | tracked a ton of grass inside and didn't reaize it =\ |
| 22:22.09 | mheath | Well, I need to go change and get to studying |
| 22:22.12 | Lone_Wanderer | The problem with that is that it gets you drunk. |
| 22:22.15 | Lone_Wanderer | Have fun with the studying. |
| 22:22.20 | dataw0lf | otherwise known as what dataw0lf drank 2 liters of at Pyramid lake while camping this weekend |
| 22:22.25 | mheath | so I can get to subway after before it closes |
| 22:22.30 | mheath | since I missed the galley |
| 22:22.39 | mheath | ~lart having to pay for food when you already are paying for food |
| 22:23.19 | levi | mheath: Quick tip: don't miss the galley. Food is better than #utah. |
| 22:31.34 | mheath | No, I missed it because of the PFA |
| 22:32.00 | mheath | By the time I started chatting, I would have had to shower, get dressed, walk to the galley, and eat in 25 minutes. |
| 22:32.38 | lukfugl | showering and getting dressed are overrated. just go naked and full of stank |
| 22:32.47 | *** part/#utah harleypig (n=harleypi@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 22:33.09 | tensai | it's a fugal family tradition |
| 22:33.18 | mheath | And I really don't care about any of that right now |
| 22:33.28 | tensai | you do *not* want to be there for thanksgiving |
| 22:33.39 | mheath | Right now my mind is why my knee is hurting again, and why I just ran the worst PFA I've ever ran. |
| 22:35.31 | mheath | (and pissed off that because of the rediculous study hours system here, I have to go sit in a building and essentially do nothing for 2 hours) |
| 22:35.55 | levi | Wow, the military makes you do stupid pointless things. I never would have guessed that. |
| 22:36.11 | mheath | levi: No, it's not the systems fault |
| 22:36.34 | mheath | If my classmates had good time management, I'd be getting better mandatory study hours now. |
| 22:36.48 | levi | That sounds like the fault of a system all right. |
| 22:36.56 | mheath | But unfortunately, about half of them managed to barely pass a 6th grade level math test |
| 22:37.26 | mheath | And 13/19 managed to completely blow off an assignment |
| 22:37.47 | mheath | (which I spent hours of my free time this weekend completing while most of them were quite literally at an amusement park) |
| 22:37.52 | tensai | mheath: here's one thing you can study: ridiculous. here's a mnemonic too. if it's ridiculous, you should get "rid" of it. |
| 22:37.57 | mheath | So they continue to treat our class like crap. |
| 22:38.02 | dataw0lf | tensai: hehe |
| 22:38.59 | mheath | I don't know what I' |
| 22:39.02 | mheath | I'm going to do right now* |
| 22:39.14 | dataw0lf | suck it up |
| 22:39.14 | mheath | Because this was a checkpoint PFA today. Didn't really matter |
| 22:39.25 | mheath | But next week, I'm supposed to pass one that goes in my record |
| 22:39.40 | mheath | And counts towards me getting phase 2 NMT (basically, I get my car, and can wear civilian clothes) |
| 22:39.45 | levi | mheath: Quit worrying, do what you're supposed to, and deal with things as they come. |
| 22:40.03 | mheath | levi: thats what I try to do. |
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| 22:40.17 | lukfugl | A in PFA = ? (I'm guessing PF = Personal Fitness) |
| 22:40.22 | levi | Except you are clearly failing miserably at the 'quit worrying' part. |
| 22:40.22 | harleypig | http://bash.org/?237985 |
| 22:40.25 | brac | [QDB: Quote #237985] |
| 22:40.27 | dataw0lf | assessment, lukfugl |
| 22:40.38 | lukfugl | ah |
| 22:40.40 | mheath | But right now, my knee is killing me. And I can't do anything about that without big risks associated with that. |
| 22:40.52 | lukfugl | ibot is getting a bit macabre, isn't she? |
| 22:41.00 | dataw0lf | mheath: suck, it, up |
| 22:41.26 | mheath | dataw0lf, I AM. I'm not saying anything to anybody. |
| 22:41.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Err. |
| 22:41.31 | mheath | well, except on here |
| 22:41.32 | tensai | lukfugl: only because somebody made her so |
| 22:41.34 | ScytheBlade1 | You sure? |
| 22:41.37 | mheath | Not saying anything to anyone that matters* |
| 22:41.37 | tensai | ~onjoin harleypig |
| 22:41.37 | ibot | onjoin for harleypig set by redbeard1 on Thu Mar 8 14:36:28 2007: "Oh, bother" said Pooh as he buried Piglet's body. |
| 22:41.43 | lukfugl | ah |
| 22:41.44 | levi | mheath: Ibuprofen is your friend. |
| 22:41.53 | mheath | The fact remains, though, I ran my run 3 minutes longer than I should have. |
| 22:42.16 | harleypig | You ran your run? |
| 22:42.34 | dataw0lf | mheath: what do you guys run? A 2 mile? |
| 22:42.37 | harleypig | Are you Scooby Doo? |
| 22:42.58 | mheath | dataw0lf, 15 |
| 22:42.59 | mheath | *1.5 |
| 22:43.04 | dataw0lf | ah |
| 22:43.07 | harleypig | dataw0lf: He ain't a jarhead no more ... he's a squid ... they only have to run the length of a carrier ... :> |
| 22:43.26 | dataw0lf | right, to escape the marines trying to molest him |
| 22:43.30 | harleypig | :D |
| 22:43.33 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 22:43.33 | mheath | And I _have_ to pass the one next week |
| 22:43.35 | mheath | That goes in my record |
| 22:43.42 | mheath | I was going to try to apply for an officer program |
| 22:43.50 | tensai | harleypig: you only have to run half the width of a ship in order to jump off |
| 22:43.52 | harleypig | Now there's a scary thought. |
| 22:44.00 | mheath | And if I can't pass that, I have 0 chance of ever getting into an officer program |
| 22:44.13 | dataw0lf | yea, you can't be failing a PT test if you want to be an officer. |
| 22:44.13 | harleypig | tensai: True. |
| 22:44.29 | harleypig | Momma and Poppa was a-lyin in bed ... |
| 22:44.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Do jumping jacks and pushups during MST. |
| 22:44.50 | levi | So, take the Ibuprofen *before* the test. |
| 22:44.53 | mheath | MST? |
| 22:44.55 | dataw0lf | Momma rolled over and this is what she said |
| 22:45.00 | harleypig | Lone_Wanderer: jumping jacks is no longer PC. |
| 22:45.04 | mheath | levi: Might be allergic to that :P |
| 22:45.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Put your book on the ground during push-ups and on a lectern during jumping jacks. |
| 22:45.08 | Lone_Wanderer | mandatory study time |
| 22:45.27 | Lone_Wanderer | I think it's probably better to trust it than to risk it. |
| 22:45.35 | harleypig | mheath: Take it again ... find out for sure. |
| 22:45.37 | mheath | I'd be on pennicilin for a looong time before I had any symptoms. Whereas I'd just started some other medications the day before. |
| 22:45.38 | dataw0lf | it's 1.5 miles |
| 22:45.50 | dataw0lf | I could drag a broken leg that far and pass a test |
| 22:45.53 | dataw0lf | just hop the whole way |
| 22:45.54 | dataw0lf | wuss |
| 22:46.07 | mheath | No, My point is I don't want to take any meds similar to the other ones I was taking :P |
| 22:46.14 | dataw0lf | get me some video too, if you take my advice |
| 22:46.20 | tensai | there are different kinds of penicillin, and not all cause the same reaction |
| 22:46.39 | brac | tensai has a lot of real value. |
| 22:46.44 | harleypig | I can just picture that ... your leg flopping about every time you hopped ... |
| 22:46.47 | tensai | ~brac++ |
| 22:46.58 | mheath | haha |
| 22:47.02 | mheath | OK, off to study |
| 22:47.10 | mheath | Because I really do want to get some food tonight |
| 22:47.22 | mheath | and if I don't leave now, subway will be closed by the time I finish my study hours |
| 22:47.35 | Lone_Wanderer | rofl |
| 22:47.47 | Lone_Wanderer | If I had ops I'd boot you. |
| 22:47.50 | Lone_Wanderer | For your own good, mind you. |
| 22:47.57 | dataw0lf | I'm going |
| 22:48.01 | dataw0lf | no, I swear I'm going |
| 22:48.07 | dataw0lf | if I don't leave now, the world will end |
| 22:48.08 | dataw0lf | I'm going |
| 22:48.10 | Lone_Wanderer | NO REALLY! |
| 22:48.13 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer, No, I have to go study. Worse things would happen to me than a boot from IRC if I didn't :P |
| 22:48.19 | dataw0lf | no no I have to go |
| 22:48.21 | mheath | The question is just when, and if I want to eat :P |
| 22:48.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh and by the way, (something something) |
| 22:48.38 | tensai | dataw0lf: did you leave yet? |
| 22:48.57 | tensai | I don't want the world to end... |
| 22:48.59 | dataw0lf | tensai: dude, if I don't leave now the world will end |
| 22:49.04 | dataw0lf | tensai: I'm going |
| 22:49.06 | dataw0lf | right |
| 22:49.09 | dataw0lf | now |
| 22:49.12 | dataw0lf | wait |
| 22:49.15 | dataw0lf | no |
| 22:49.15 | dataw0lf | now |
| 22:49.58 | Lone_Wanderer | I hope that when that gigantic asteroid flys (flies?) by the earth in a couple of years, I'm on the right side of the world to see it. |
| 22:50.12 | dataw0lf | emcnabb: I got fifty that he doesn't make it through AIT |
| 22:50.32 | tensai | Lone_Wanderer: it will be going by slow enough that you'll have plenty of opportunity |
| 22:51.03 | dataw0lf | yea, it'll be more than 24 hours before it goes out of visibility, for sure. |
| 22:51.36 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 22:51.44 | Lone_Wanderer | I wonder if tides well go all crazy |
| 22:51.51 | brac | I wonder what the irssi default config to be a mirracle |
| 22:52.08 | Lone_Wanderer | s/well/silll |
| 22:52.12 | Lone_Wanderer | noooo! will! |
| 22:52.31 | levi | Perhaps Lone_Wanderer has had too much rum. |
| 22:53.50 | Lone_Wanderer | It's been quite some time, actually. |
| 22:54.49 | dataw0lf | I could use a beer |
| 22:55.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Cue DW reminding us that his employers keeps an open bar. |
| 22:55.46 | levi | Someone had some beer stashed in the fridge here. No one ever seemed to drink any of it, though. |
| 22:56.34 | dataw0lf | levi: I take donations. |
| 22:56.47 | levi | Well, it wasn't /my/ beer. |
| 22:57.03 | levi | If I was going to steal stuff from the fridge, that wouldn't be it. |
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| 23:20.59 | sjansen | ~moose elg |
| 23:21.27 | elg | ~jan sjansen |
| 23:21.36 | Lone_Wanderer | ~bork bork bork |
| 23:21.37 | ibot | ACTION borks bork bork |
| 23:22.52 | lukfugl | he |
| 23:22.56 | lukfugl | *heh |
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| 23:23.38 | elg | -chat about sjansen |
| 23:23.38 | brac | sjansen is jealous |
| 23:23.48 | elg | what an insightful bot |
| 23:23.52 | elg | what are you jealous of sjansen? |
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| 23:24.20 | sjansen | brac, he's got brains _and_ looks :-( |
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| 23:26.33 | sjansen | Isn't everyone jealous of brac? |
| 23:26.55 | sjansen | synic's so jealous of brac he can't decide if he should stay or he should go |
| 23:27.10 | Lone_Wanderer | What does brac look like? |
| 23:27.30 | synic | channel add -auto #lolutah loloutah |
| 23:27.33 | synic | crap. |
| 23:27.46 | sjansen | ~blame brac |
| 23:27.47 | ibot | ACTION blames brac (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 23:28.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Apparently brac looks like http://www.nachlese.at/main-fotos/croatia-brac-1.jpg |
| 23:28.46 | lukfugl | awesome |
| 23:28.54 | lukfugl | I can't type the digit six anymore |
| 23:29.33 | lukfugl | both the top row and the numpad quit on my |
| 23:29.41 | lukfugl | all the rest work, but no 6 |
| 23:29.43 | lukfugl | gah?! |
| 23:29.46 | lukfugl | it worked! |
| 23:30.19 | lukfugl | my brain hurts -- it only doesn't work in my shell |
| 23:30.26 | lukfugl | trying a new shell window... |
| 23:31.09 | lukfugl | works in a new shell -- what would make a single key not work in a single process?! |
| 23:32.09 | Lone_Wanderer | key, or is it messing up the ascii code? |
| 23:33.56 | ScytheBlade1 | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/HowTo:Cut_Your_Own_Head_Off_With_a_Chainsaw |
| 23:34.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Are talking clean decapitation, or just mangling things badly enough that you end up dead? |
| 23:34.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 23:34.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Take a read. |
| 23:34.58 | lukfugl | well a "reset" command in the shell didn't fix it. Can't troubleshoot more now, just closed the aberration |
| 23:35.40 | nick125_lappy | Wee...I'm actually getting someone that works at qwest that speaks english! |
| 23:35.45 | nick125_lappy | And is located in the US! |
| 23:35.46 | nick125_lappy | Yaya! |
| 23:36.00 | Lone_Wanderer | That's always best. Just assume it's a fluke and that you'll never see it again. Until you do; then come up with another explanation whose practical upshot is that you still don't have to worry about it. |
| 23:44.04 | nick125_lappy | what event is that? |
| 23:46.03 | maquis | apparently they plan on rebooting freenode or something |
| 23:46.09 | brac | apparently they were native american, so at least on the one got dropped... |
| 23:46.18 | tene | ~lart brac |
