| 00:10.41 | maquis | uh |
| 00:10.59 | maquis | antibiotics aren't going to help :) |
| 00:11.19 | vontrapp | elg: i don't have INBOX on the end of my folder |
| 00:11.26 | vontrapp | works just fine |
| 00:11.31 | vontrapp | and things like c=lists/plug work |
| 00:19.22 | vontrapp | so, should i see eragon or casino royal? |
| 00:19.54 | vontrapp | alternatively, which is the wife less likely to be bummed that i saw it w/o her? |
| 00:20.39 | vontrapp | "I can tell the difference between margarine and butter o/~ " |
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| 00:40.17 | elg | vontrapp: does c? work? |
| 00:40.23 | elg | it gives you a list of subscribed mailboxes? |
| 00:43.07 | vontrapp | elg: c? only shows inbox |
| 00:43.49 | vontrapp | so it loads my folders when i type them, but it doesn't list them :/ |
| 00:44.04 | vontrapp | never used the list thing before |
| 00:49.06 | vontrapp | huh, some email about a missionary reunion, sent in text/plain, and it has this "(or just hit reply…)" |
| 00:49.29 | vontrapp | note the unicode …, not even i use that when i write emails |
| 00:50.42 | elg | are you known for using every unicode character (except …) when you type? |
| 00:51.00 | vontrapp | well, no |
| 00:51.35 | vontrapp | i guess what i meant is i don't even use unicode chars when typing emails |
| 00:52.07 | vontrapp | just not the type of email i expect to see unicode characters in |
| 00:55.07 | vontrapp | what does one do to get a charmap included in locale packages? |
| 00:55.22 | vontrapp | one like, say, khmer |
| 01:24.35 | elg | grr. why isn't diff working as advertised? |
| 01:24.45 | elg | -w ignore all whitespace. -B ignore changes that are only blank lines |
| 01:24.46 | brac | okay then :) |
| 01:24.53 | elg | and yet I get changes that are only blank lines |
| 01:25.02 | elg | which is both only whitespace _and_ only blank lines |
| 01:25.30 | vontrapp | are they really blank lines or lines with spaces? |
| 01:27.15 | elg | some are really blank lines |
| 01:27.17 | elg | some have spaces |
| 01:27.29 | vontrapp | any good firefox extensions for text to speech? |
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| 02:16.43 | nick125_ | Anyone here know of a python library to grab images from Amazon (or somewhere similar?)? I'm writing a program in Django to help organize my DVD collection, and, I think cover art would be nice.. |
| 02:19.23 | mheath | So |
| 02:19.41 | mheath | nick125_, I think imdb would be a more reasonable source than Amazon.com |
| 02:20.10 | mheath | And I'm willing to bet theres specific databases to do exactly what you're looking for |
| 02:20.22 | nick125_ | mheath: Amazon actually has an API however.. |
| 02:21.16 | synic | nick125_: I wrote one to do album covers for CDs... |
| 02:21.21 | synic | I'm sure it's not much different |
| 02:21.39 | nick125_ | synic: Can I see it? |
| 02:21.41 | nick125_ | Please :-) |
| 02:21.44 | synic | sure, sec. |
| 02:22.21 | mheath | So, the question is, do I buy my camera...or save a bit and get somethingreally nice like http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-DMC-FZ50-Digital-Optical-Stabilized/dp/B000GHVZQ0/ref=acc_access_foto_main_0_title/104-1343903-1340711 |
| 02:22.36 | synic | nick125_: http://www.exaile.org/trac/browser/trunk/xl/covers.py |
| 02:22.46 | synic | test case is at the bottom. |
| 02:24.01 | nick125_ | synic: I'm trying to read the AWS ToS to figure out how to do caching (since I don't want to poll amazon server's everytime I refresh the page, etc).. |
| 02:24.19 | nick125_ | Do you have any idea what their policy is on caching? |
| 02:24.43 | synic | nope... I cache everything, though |
| 02:26.13 | nick125_ | I think you are only allowed to cache for 1 month |
| 02:26.35 | synic | heh... that's good to know. |
| 02:30.26 | nick125_ | synic: Are you using ECS? |
| 02:30.49 | synic | I don't know what that is |
| 02:31.04 | synic | brb |
| 02:31.22 | nick125_ | amazon e-commerce service |
| 02:34.09 | synic | oh, no, I'm not |
| 02:44.18 | nick125_ | Hmm.. |
| 02:54.46 | Sargun | Thank god sun is getting better. |
| 02:57.30 | mheath | How was sun bad? |
| 02:58.48 | Sargun | They used to be mean to the Linux camp, and only optimize/release their products for Solaris. |
| 02:58.58 | Sargun | They have finally sped up their Linux products |
| 03:00.21 | mheath | That's bad? |
| 03:01.08 | Sargun | Yes... |
| 03:01.12 | mheath | How about the large amount of GNU/Linux software that is only designed for GNU/Linux? |
| 03:01.18 | Sargun | Even after Solaris was a dying giant. |
| 03:01.19 | mheath | Is all that software bad? |
| 03:01.33 | Sargun | and Java was meant to be fast across all platforms. |
| 03:01.49 | mheath | Java is fast across all platforms, if you know what you're doing. |
| 03:02.41 | nick125_ | Ugh...... |
| 03:02.50 | nick125_ | Amazon doesn't like doing DVD searches by ISBN |
| 03:03.34 | Sargun | mheath, A few years ago, Java support under Linux just sucked. |
| 03:03.41 | mheath | nick125_, perhaps because ISBN is International Standard Book Number? |
| 03:03.58 | mheath | Sargun, So what? |
| 03:04.08 | mheath | Sargun, I'm assuming you've programmed things before.... |
| 03:04.27 | mheath | Did you optomize that program to run well on Solaris, GNU/Linux, GNU/Hurd, Windows, Mac OS, and Mac OS X? |
| 03:04.29 | mheath | And test it on the same? |
| 03:04.33 | mheath | And provide support on the same? |
| 03:04.40 | nick125_ | mheath: Right, but, most commerically released DVDs have ISBNs on them |
| 03:04.49 | mheath | I'm assuming the answer is going to be a no |
| 03:05.00 | mheath | Then how is Sun more evil than you? |
| 03:05.07 | mheath | They make products that work with their products. |
| 03:05.32 | Sargun | But, of course I didn't advertise my programming language to be optimal over all platforms. |
| 03:05.41 | Sargun | that's the major point of Java. |
| 03:05.46 | mheath | Where does Sun advertise that? |
| 03:05.52 | mheath | No. |
| 03:06.06 | Sargun | Sun used to advertise that. |
| 03:06.13 | mheath | Thats the "10th grade computer science teacher's powerpoint on the Pros of Java" major point of Java. |
| 03:06.35 | mheath | Sargun, show me an ad that says it works well on all platforms. |
| 03:06.52 | mheath | Seriously |
| 03:07.06 | mheath | I've seen lots of ill-informed computer science teachers and programming books list that as a pro |
| 03:07.15 | mheath | But all that was by people who often hadn't even heard of / used Linu |
| 03:07.18 | mheath | *Linux |
| 03:07.33 | mheath | I have never seen something from Sun claiming that Java is the ultimate in cross-platform compatability. |
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| 03:08.25 | ibot | elg: ok |
| 03:11.17 | nick125_ | I think I might make my DVD Managing application CLI-based |
| 03:11.25 | nick125_ | Maybe ncurses based.. |
| 03:14.25 | elg | tsk tsk |
| 03:14.40 | elg | these two students have the same code except for a few variable names and whitespace |
| 03:15.09 | nick125_ | elg: It's a coinsidence! |
| 03:17.11 | elg | :) |
| 03:17.34 | elg | pity I already wasted the effort of grading one of them |
| 03:17.52 | elg | he got a good grade too. 94 |
| 03:27.36 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 03:31.38 | mheath | Is there any easy way to find out what transfer credits a university would accept? |
| 03:31.46 | mheath | IE, can you send them a copy of your transcript and inquire? |
| 03:42.50 | levi_home | mheath: You'll probably want to talk to an academic advisor there who can tell you the process. |
| 03:43.27 | mheath | I'm really worried how useful these credits are going to be, for a good degree from a reputable university. |
| 03:44.32 | levi_home | Why are you concerned about that when it seems the jobs you're interested in are more interested in Navy experience? |
| 03:46.47 | mheath | levi_home, Having a college degree has always been a goal |
| 03:47.06 | mheath | And that will still help in getting paid more / getting a better position, even with the Navy experience. |
| 03:47.26 | levi_home | There seem to be plenty of colleges that are geared towards helping military students finish their degrees. |
| 03:47.55 | mheath | levi_home, Not very major ones. |
| 03:48.03 | levi_home | So? |
| 03:48.21 | mheath | And all the degrees I've seen are peculiar uncommon ones |
| 03:48.51 | levi_home | Well, if you want to spend more time re-taking classes, that's fine too. |
| 03:52.42 | levi_home | If you have personal reasons for wanting to do it, by all means do it. I'm only suggesting that it might not be necessary to get a particularly prestigious degree if you're only concerned with punching that particular ticket. |
| 03:54.36 | nick125_ | Ugh...Why must urwid be so complex? I just want to make a small application to manage my DVD/Game collection |
| 03:56.14 | levi_home | urwid? |
| 03:56.31 | nick125_ | python console UI library |
| 03:59.26 | elg | for easy UI your best bet is probably either readline (on the minimalist side) or qtdesigner or glade |
| 03:59.50 | elg | curses if you really want it but it's fairly complicated, including wrappers like the python one |
| 03:59.50 | nick125_ | elg: I was aiming for something ncurses-based/ncurses-like |
| 04:00.05 | elg | ncurses has some strange paradigms you have to internalize |
| 04:01.01 | nick125_ | Again, I was hoping for something that I could actually control entirely by keyboard (and, hopefully console based) |
| 04:02.46 | levi_home | Isn't there another curses-like interface called slang or something? |
| 04:03.09 | elg | yeah, there's slang |
| 04:03.23 | elg | it doesn't look all that much easier than curses |
| 04:03.30 | elg | looks like a NIH syndrome thing |
| 04:03.55 | elg | nick125_: right, so readline |
| 04:04.14 | elg | it'll look like what you programmed in sixth grade - with a menu sort of interface |
| 04:04.17 | elg | but it'll be simple and easy |
| 04:04.24 | elg | then you can make it more sophisticated later |
| 04:04.26 | elg | if you get around to it |
| 04:04.57 | nick125_ | Here's what I'm thinking of (for work-flow type of thing): |
| 04:05.14 | nick125_ | 1) Log in to the application (or, you can disable that or something) |
| 04:06.11 | nick125_ | 2) To search for a movie/book, press F3 (for example), then you get a dialog with a bunch of blank fields that you can fill in, then you press F10 to do the search |
| 04:07.11 | nick125_ | 2a) The results would show up in a similar looking window, and you would press the left and right arrows to move between the entries |
| 04:07.48 | nick125_ | 2b) The same dialog would show how many of that DVD/Game I have, and how many I have loaned out. I can press F4 (for example) to see the loan-list |
| 04:09.06 | Sargun | Why do all movies depict stealing these amazing "microprocessors" |
| 04:09.13 | Sargun | that send missiles to amazing places |
| 04:09.17 | nick125_ | My idea is that the program would have a sharper learning curve, but, once you learn it, its blazing fast |
| 04:16.13 | levi_home | There's nothing inherent to limiting your graphical capabilities to text terminal that makes a program more efficient. |
| 04:17.10 | levi_home | It's a matter of making an interface designed for efficiency, and you can do that in the context of a GUI just as well. |
| 04:18.11 | levi_home | E.g., F3, F10, and the arrow keys can work just as well in a GUI. |
| 04:18.43 | nick125_ | levi_home: I was just thinking that to be honest.. |
| 04:19.58 | levi_home | A lot more work has gone into designing GUI APIs lately than text-based ones. Also, just about everyone has a GUI on their computer. |
| 04:20.42 | levi_home | There are probably still some valid reasons to make text-based curses-style applications, but you should consider if those reasons really apply to your app. |
| 04:34.19 | nick125_ | I have no idea what I should do with my application... |
| 04:48.55 | nick125_ | I'm thinking of how to do this, once the person logs in, most everything they do will be in the "main" window, and different things would have to be done in the window, but, I'm not sure how to do this without having to toggle on/off a ton of widgets |
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| 05:26.41 | nick125_ | Ugh...I'm getting tired of filling up my mail box with gentoo-dev flamewars.... |
| 05:26.59 | nick125_ | It's like 1% useful/on-topic-dev-stuff and 99% flamewar |
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| 12:53.50 | mheath | I don't like the idea of buying expensive digital cameras. |
| 12:54.01 | mheath | I don't like that my camera will go obsolete in a few years |
| 12:54.12 | mheath | Or that theres so many incompatabilties |
| 12:54.21 | mheath | The film camera I shot with at home had been my dad's for 30 years |
| 12:54.57 | mheath | Lense compatability was good, too. I could still go to a camera shop and buy a new lense for it. (Started to not be _quite_ so true, as it didn't have autofocus and a lot of lenses now require autfocus) |
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| 14:07.47 | goozbach | ~date |
| 14:07.48 | ibot | It is now 2007.03.11 14:07:48 GMT |
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| 15:04.40 | mheath | maquis, Amazon.com shoulder offer a military discount. |
| 15:29.14 | mheath | http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-DMC-FZ7S-Digital-Optical-Stabilized/dp/B000EBOCEU I'm absolutely in love with that for the price, except manual focus is doing with a joystick in the back rather than a focus ring |
| 16:33.41 | maquis | mheath: :) |
| 16:34.15 | mheath | I've talked myself out of it, though |
| 16:34.30 | mheath | If I start having time for serious photography work, I'll have my dad ship me my old film SLR |
| 16:34.54 | mheath | I'm going to get a simple point and shoot |
| 16:35.01 | mheath | maquis, seriously, though, about the military discounts |
| 16:35.03 | mheath | :P |
| 16:37.19 | maquis | mheath: sure... :) i think it's a great idea |
| 16:37.43 | mheath | Actually, come to think of it, an online store can't feasibly do something like that |
| 16:37.52 | mheath | because theres no way for them to verify that I'm actually in the military |
| 16:38.04 | maquis | yeah |
| 16:39.30 | mheath | And I doubt DoD will let Amazon.com access DEERS :P |
| 16:40.15 | maquis | http://userfriendly.org/ |
| 16:40.16 | brac | [User Friendly the Comic Strip - The Daily Static] |
| 16:40.18 | maquis | lol |
| 16:40.46 | mheath | maquis, hahaha |
| 16:41.17 | maquis | i'm sure my teammate who got paged at 3am this morning would appreciate that... |
| 16:42.43 | maquis | yipes! it's windy out! |
| 17:17.56 | goozbach | ~lart "marcus" |
| 17:19.12 | goozbach | stupid guy has a phone number almost the same as my on-call number |
| 17:19.40 | goozbach | getting called at 3am sucks |
| 17:25.59 | mheath | I love reviews like this. Bah. |
| 17:26.04 | mheath | "I had this camera for one week and then I dropped and it hit the edge of my desk and then I caught it. It would not work at all and it cost more to ship it to Fuji than to buy a new one. Also I couldn't find the warranty card they swore I should have even though I didn't throw anything away. It was nice for the week it lasted, but definately not worth it." |
| 17:26.14 | mheath | I dropped the product and it stopped working. Therefore it sucks. |
| 17:50.29 | mheath | maquis, I have no idea what you actually do for amazon.com, but I have a big real suggestion |
| 17:50.39 | mheath | Because this has been irritating me with a lot of websites |
| 17:50.49 | mheath | Add a third address line for the shipping address |
| 18:06.11 | mheath | I'm happy, because I got a point and shoot for a good cost, but it also has good resolution, amazing optical zoom, is really light weight...and I got a good bundle (memory, card reader, batteries + charger, case) for really cheap. |
| 18:06.25 | mheath | And the camera is pretty unique / stylish too |
| 18:11.07 | maquis | mheath: i can try to pass that suggestion to the right people |
| 18:11.16 | maquis | goozbach: you get called at 3am too? |
| 18:11.20 | mheath | And for some reason it keeps warping my address |
| 18:11.36 | maquis | i get called by work at 3am sometimes... |
| 18:11.44 | mheath | IE, keeps changing one line of my shipping address from 101 NNPTC Circle to 101 Nnptc Cir |
| 18:12.37 | maquis | mheath: that is silly, but the "circle" -> "Cir" is standard abbreviation, i believe |
| 18:12.51 | maquis | as for de-capitalizing, that's probably something they have set up... |
| 18:13.22 | maquis | mheath: i'm back-end... optimization and stuff... |
| 18:13.49 | maquis | granted, i haven't done much code for the optimization yet... but yeah |
| 18:34.31 | mheath | invoke goozbach |
| 18:36.22 | goozbach | p/sb end |
| 18:36.57 | goozbach | mheath: pong |
| 18:37.19 | mheath | Xen Console is being unhelpful. |
| 18:37.34 | mheath | I managed to goof up and setup some firewall settings that aren't letting SSH through |
| 18:38.01 | mheath | But when I run the Xen Console thing, the screen is unreadable. |
| 18:38.07 | goozbach | k |
| 18:38.11 | mheath | For most programs |
| 18:38.20 | goozbach | loginto kuat. |
| 18:38.45 | goozbach | ohh set your TERM to xterm |
| 18:38.57 | goozbach | or to vt1000 |
| 18:39.09 | goozbach | vt100 that is |
| 18:40.04 | mheath | Using putty. |
| 18:40.46 | goozbach | if that doesnt work, i'll be back in acouple hours and will research further |
| 18:40.52 | goozbach | im curently at church |
| 18:41.11 | mheath | Ah, Sorry for bothering you. |
| 18:41.39 | goozbach | just run the command: export TERM=xterm |
| 18:41.53 | mheath | I can't get to a terminal |
| 18:42.01 | goozbach | that should hard reset your term settings |
| 18:42.11 | mheath | I rebooted the system and it reboots to some ncurses/dialog based configuration thing I can't read |
| 18:42.29 | goozbach | console isnt working then? |
| 18:42.45 | mheath | No, it's working |
| 18:42.56 | mheath | my system's console is just stuck on something I can't read |
| 18:43.00 | mheath | Well, there it goes.. Hmmm. |
| 18:43.30 | goozbach | join #neverblock for discussions such as these i the future. |
| 18:43.47 | mheath | Ah, OK. |
| 18:43.49 | goozbach | that keeps people here happy :) |
| 18:44.13 | goozbach | i'l take a better look in an hour or so |
| 20:28.50 | Sargun | hey |
| 20:29.37 | Sargun | mheath, Sometimes Xen console will freeze up for a few minutes on Xen-3 |
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| 21:08.02 | ibot | ok, elg |
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