| 00:00.12 | levi | Kind of a cool architecture, but it relies very heavily upon good compilers. |
| 00:00.22 | levi | And the compilers were not great when it was released. |
| 00:00.25 | findlay | Sargun: can you tell if it's 4 sockets vs just 4 cores? |
| 00:00.44 | findlay | or two chips with 2 cores |
| 00:01.23 | Sargun | Yeah. |
| 00:01.36 | Sargun | Its 4 physical seperate cores |
| 00:01.47 | Sargun | Well |
| 00:01.51 | Sargun | I have a |
| 00:01.57 | findlay | Sargun: no I mean, can I |
| 00:02.00 | Sargun | oh |
| 00:02.01 | Sargun | yeah |
| 00:02.05 | Sargun | Are you running Linux? |
| 00:02.06 | Sargun | or windows? |
| 00:02.16 | findlay | I'm not sure where this machine actually is :) |
| 00:02.20 | findlay | it's Linux |
| 00:03.48 | levi | I've got access to a couple of boxes that are 4 dual-core Opterons. Brand spankin' new ones. |
| 00:03.52 | levi | Time for me to head home. |
| 00:05.55 | findlay | man, rpmforge has lots of packages |
| 00:21.19 | mheath | mmm |
| 00:21.31 | mheath | Nothing is better than when you finish your homework WAY faster than you expected. :) |
| 00:21.48 | mheath | It's 7:00PM and I'm DONE and in my BEQ room |
| 00:21.48 | dataw0lf | perhaps this is why you keep on getting it returned to do again.... |
| 00:21.49 | macnewbold | thanks to gradefix :) |
| 00:21.50 | mheath | is something wrong? |
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| 00:22.03 | mheath | dataw0lf, No, I've never had anything returned specifically to me. |
| 00:22.04 | macnewbold | just kidding, you're probably not using gradefix yet |
| 00:22.12 | dataw0lf | cuz you're not cool |
| 00:22.16 | dataw0lf | all the cool kids use gradefix |
| 00:22.20 | mheath | It's all been other people screwing up, so he makes everyone in the class redo it. |
| 00:22.34 | dataw0lf | ahh, yes, the 'it's not me, it's that other guy argument' |
| 00:22.41 | mheath | macnewbold, I really...can't. The pace/schedule is so weird here, I doubt it would help. |
| 00:23.04 | mheath | dataw0lf, *shrug* if you want to think of it like that. |
| 00:23.22 | mheath | I can't see doing 20 of these kind of problems in an hour. |
| 00:23.33 | macnewbold | oh, one of those tests... |
| 00:23.39 | macnewbold | here's 20 questions, I only expect you to finish 10 |
| 00:23.49 | macnewbold | so the person who can do them fastest will get the top score unless they're all wrong |
| 00:24.32 | dataw0lf | mheath: perhaps you should help your weaker fellows, then |
| 00:24.35 | dataw0lf | since you finished it so quick |
| 00:24.41 | mheath | dataw0lf, They've told us not to. |
| 00:24.55 | dataw0lf | that's ridiculous. |
| 00:24.58 | macnewbold | serious? no team effort? |
| 00:25.09 | macnewbold | that's the attitude that will get you killed in a sub |
| 00:25.16 | macnewbold | or on a battle field |
| 00:25.19 | dataw0lf | true dat |
| 00:25.28 | macnewbold | and dataw0lf's a veteran, he knows |
| 00:25.38 | mheath | They have TONS of support here. 1800-2100, they have mentors you can go and ask for help. During study hall during class, you can go down for IA (instructor assistance) where they give you some practice problems and help you work through them. |
| 00:25.39 | dataw0lf | unfortunately |
| 00:25.56 | mheath | dataw0lf, No, it's just that the curriciulum is insanely intense and everyone is struggling with it. |
| 00:26.14 | mheath | They tell you to go to an instructor for help, as they're _always_ available, rather than asking another student who may or may not be wrong. |
| 00:26.37 | mheath | That and, theres 20 of us all trying to study in a tiny room. If everyone was trying to talk to each other, it would be way too noisy. |
| 00:26.42 | dataw0lf | you shouldn't be asking, anything. you should be using the classes as a team building exercise |
| 00:27.12 | dataw0lf | it's much harder to learn proper teamwork than, well, just about anything, imho. |
| 00:28.11 | dataw0lf | http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/local/16861780.htm |
| 00:28.12 | brac | [AP Wire | 03/08/2007 | S.C. considers cutting prison time for inmates who donate organs] |
| 00:28.24 | mheath | dataw0lf, *shrug*. I'll answer minor questions here and there. But any real help and it's best to go to the NDI. Thats what we've been told to do. |
| 00:29.31 | dataw0lf | well, we were told not go back and grab people on ruckmarches who were falling out, but we did anyways. |
| 00:29.38 | dataw0lf | and the DSs appreciated it |
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| 00:30.23 | macnewbold | I guess if you can't get out of jail, you can at least get part of you out... |
| 00:30.24 | macnewbold | ~rimshot |
| 00:30.26 | ibot | ch-ch-chhh |
| 00:30.39 | macnewbold | just a little bit at a time, and soon you'll be _free_! |
| 00:30.42 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: haha |
| 00:30.47 | dataw0lf | sounds like the basis of a horror movie |
| 00:31.32 | macnewbold | just throw in a dr frankenstein on the outside, who takes your donated organs and slowly puts you back together... |
| 00:38.21 | elg | hans.fugal.net/tmp/network.png |
| 00:38.41 | elg | anyone want to help me reconfigure my LAN? |
| 00:39.22 | elg | question 1. should I make buffalo (an openwrt router) just a switch, or put the cisco on a different vlan? |
| 00:39.38 | elg | it will be the firewall and router in any case for the rest of the stuff |
| 00:40.57 | Sargun | What's a good OCR program for Linux? |
| 00:43.33 | mheath | Didn't goozbach have a ~summon command or something? |
| 00:49.19 | elg | nobody wants to play huh? |
| 00:51.55 | goozbach | invoke |
| 00:52.01 | goozbach | invoke goozbach |
| 00:52.03 | mheath | Ah. |
| 00:58.00 | findlay | Sargun: tesseract |
| 00:58.03 | findlay | there are others |
| 00:58.13 | findlay | I've played with a couple of them |
| 00:58.44 | findlay | gocr and ocrad |
| 01:00.48 | *** part/#utah harleypig (n=harleypi@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 01:01.47 | elg | outvoke goozbach |
| 01:02.48 | mheath | ~terminate elg |
| 01:07.43 | Sargun | Hm, why doesn't teseract work! |
| 01:10.55 | Sargun | ocrad got it horribly wrong. |
| 01:11.43 | Sargun | THE LAND REFERRED TO HEREIN BELOW IS SITUATED IN AN UNINCORPORATED AREA, COUNTY OF ALAMEDA, STATE OF CALIFORNIA, AND IS DESRIBED AS FOLLOWS: |
| 01:11.46 | Sargun | came out to: |
| 01:12.00 | Sargun | TH_ mND R___RR_D _ H_R_|_ B_LOW |_ _nuAnD IN A_ UNINCORPO_T_D AR_A couw o_ |
| 01:12.00 | Sargun | AmM_DA, _TAn o_ <AU_ORNIA, AND |_ D_KRIB_D A_ FO__OW_ |
| 01:14.19 | QBFreak | Sargun: the source is missing a C |
| 01:14.28 | QBFreak | but I don't think you'll miss one from the output :) |
| 01:14.42 | Sargun | uh |
| 01:14.46 | Sargun | where? |
| 01:14.53 | QBFreak | "DESRIBED" |
| 01:14.55 | Sargun | DESRIBED |
| 01:14.55 | Sargun | ah |
| 01:14.57 | Sargun | so! |
| 01:15.06 | Sargun | D_KRIB_D isn't that bad |
| 01:15.13 | QBFreak | heh no |
| 01:44.34 | Sargun | flickr really needs to censor child porn. |
| 01:44.47 | Sargun | flickr -needs- to censor its adult content |
| 01:45.36 | mheath | Sargun, you know your comment implies you've been looking at child porn, right? |
| 01:45.45 | Sargun | no. |
| 01:45.51 | Sargun | I just read an article regarding that. |
| 01:46.01 | mheath | Sure you did :) |
| 01:46.31 | dataw0lf | I'm sure flickr uses a retroactive system to take unlawful content down |
| 01:47.15 | Sargun | dataw0lf, I've reported (non-pornographic) content before, and they responded with "Please state what law this breaks, etc.." |
| 01:48.01 | Sargun | it was about a week before it finally got taken down. |
| 01:48.35 | dataw0lf | what type of content? |
| 01:49.03 | elg | pictures of his bad hair day perhaps |
| 01:49.12 | dataw0lf | stderr.ws |
| 01:49.13 | Sargun | haha |
| 01:49.15 | dataw0lf | that's a bad hair day, sir |
| 01:49.19 | dataw0lf | but I have em all the time |
| 01:49.38 | Sargun | no, pictures of people trespassing, and showing how to tresspass. |
| 01:50.31 | mheath | Uh. |
| 01:50.46 | dataw0lf | how did you know they were trespassing? |
| 01:50.55 | elg | what about phishing? |
| 01:51.28 | Sargun | dataw0lf, I know 'em. |
| 01:51.45 | Sargun | I wouldn't like to comment on that any more though. |
| 01:52.12 | dataw0lf | well, you're a samaritan, that's for sure |
| 01:52.18 | dataw0lf | I haven't decided whether good or bad... |
| 01:53.22 | Sargun | heh |
| 01:53.22 | Sargun | both. |
| 01:54.29 | elg | so anyone here a vlan guru? |
| 01:54.33 | elg | or approaching gurudom? |
| 01:55.21 | Sargun | Trying to become a guru, why? |
| 01:55.38 | elg | lan -- openwrt -- cisco -- intarweb |
| 01:55.55 | elg | i want some lan boxes to have public IPs, openwrt to have a public IP, cisco has a public IP |
| 01:56.05 | Sargun | Cisco acting as a NAT? |
| 01:56.05 | elg | and I have some private IPs in the lan too |
| 01:56.13 | elg | no, openwrt acting as a nat where needed |
| 01:56.15 | Sargun | RFC 1918? |
| 01:56.25 | Sargun | make me a graphviz chart |
| 01:56.26 | Sargun | :-P |
| 01:56.35 | elg | hans.fugal.net/tmp/network.png |
| 01:56.53 | Sargun | wow |
| 01:56.55 | elg | so my question is, how do I set up openwrt's vlans |
| 01:56.56 | Sargun | its already done. |
| 01:57.01 | Sargun | I heart you. |
| 01:57.12 | elg | vlan1 is the wan interface, plugged into cisco |
| 01:57.25 | elg | br0 is a bridge of vlan0 (the lan) and eth1 (the wlan) |
| 01:57.32 | Sargun | .10X are public or private? |
| 01:57.56 | elg | public |
| 02:01.59 | Sargun | ah |
| 02:02.05 | Sargun | What cisco? |
| 02:02.12 | Sargun | (Just curious) |
| 02:03.12 | mheath | ug, I hate yum |
| 02:03.26 | mheath | I've been working with it for like 5 minutes and I already hate it |
| 02:03.28 | mheath | ~praise apt-get |
| 02:03.30 | ibot | All hail apt-get! |
| 02:03.44 | Sargun | at least it isn't RPM |
| 02:03.54 | mheath | uh, it technically is, isn't it? |
| 02:04.00 | mheath | Just repos / tools for RPM |
| 02:04.01 | Sargun | well |
| 02:04.02 | Sargun | yeah |
| 02:04.03 | elg | 678 |
| 02:04.19 | mheath | I wish I could get openwrt on my router :( |
| 02:04.22 | Sargun | but you don't experience searching through compatible repos for hours and hours |
| 02:04.28 | Sargun | Roll our own routers! |
| 02:04.42 | mheath | just because I want to force it into greater transmission power |
| 02:05.03 | mheath | My friend wants to use his internet, and it doesn't quite reach |
| 02:05.05 | mheath | It's close, though |
| 02:05.08 | brac | My friend has a point at which one is brand new and one to remove a program? rm -rf moment? |
| 02:05.13 | mheath | If he opens his door, he has a pretty good signal :P |
| 02:05.24 | mheath | brac, shutup |
| 02:08.42 | Sargun | lol |
| 02:10.24 | Sargun | elg, what does VPN use? (IP wisE) |
| 02:10.47 | elg | 172.17.0. |
| 02:10.50 | elg | x |
| 02:10.52 | Sargun | did the interwab assign you 216.31.27.105/29 |
| 02:10.57 | elg | and guest dhcp clients also |
| 02:11.45 | elg | yup |
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| 02:20.49 | Sargun | install Linux or BSD |
| 02:20.51 | Sargun | on your routers |
| 02:20.56 | brac | on your neighbor? Yeah since 2005.3 or something |
| 02:22.09 | elg | -markov probability |
| 02:22.09 | brac | insufficient "markov" auth (have 10, need 12) |
| 02:22.13 | elg | -markov stat |
| 02:22.13 | brac | insufficient "markov" auth (have 10, need 12) |
| 02:22.25 | elg | -markov stat |
| 02:22.25 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help markov' |
| 02:22.28 | elg | -markov stats |
| 02:22.28 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help markov' |
| 02:22.30 | elg | -markov status |
| 02:22.31 | brac | markov is currently enabled, 1% chance of chipping in |
| 02:22.38 | elg | you're awful chatty for 1% |
| 02:28.46 | Sargun | if you have a ball bearing, in a hollow electromagnet, what will happen when you turn the electromagnet on? |
| 02:32.31 | mheath | Sargun, depending on the polarity and specifics, the ball bearing might hover in the middle of the ball bearing. Or you might cause the ball bearing to roll. Depends on the specifics. |
| 02:32.52 | Sargun | what would you need to make the ball bearing roll? |
| 02:32.59 | brac | what would be \\192.168.1.99\foobar |
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| 02:38.33 | Sargun | and, if you were wondering, I'm not trying to build some incredible weapon ( coil gun ) |
| 02:45.07 | tene | -markov shut up |
| 02:45.07 | brac | insufficient "markov" auth (have 10, need 12) |
| 02:45.21 | Sargun | haha |
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| 02:49.52 | goozbach | anyone had issues with xorg on FC6 chewing up ALL of the cpu? |
| 02:50.29 | tene | nope |
| 02:52.14 | Sargun | Not here. |
| 02:55.27 | Sargun | Slide 1 before the circuit is energized: http://xbmodder.us/slide1.svg and slide 2, showing how the ball bearing should roll: http://xbmodder.us/slide2.svg |
| 02:55.34 | Sargun | what's what'll happen, right? |
| 02:55.38 | Sargun | goozbach, GDB is your friend. |
| 02:57.47 | mheath | yeah |
| 02:57.48 | mheath | Because using GDB on xorg (coming from RPMs, with no debug info compiled in) is an easy task. |
| 03:11.32 | elg | ah-ha. I think proxy arp is the key |
| 03:11.35 | elg | http://www.sjdjweis.com/linux/proxyarp/ |
| 03:16.59 | Sargun | mheath, because goozbach is amazing |
| 03:28.33 | mheath | Anyone have any suggestion on where to shop for a laptop in the ~$200-250 price range? |
| 03:29.06 | Sargun | uh |
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| 03:30.58 | sontek | hey, any sys admins looking for a job? =)) we have a mix linux/windows environment so you have to know both |
| 03:32.14 | mheath | sontek, get back with me in...oh.....5.5 years. |
| 03:34.02 | sontek | =) we are looking for a little sooner than that, but we may be looking then too! :P |
| 03:34.51 | goozbach | sontek: where ya located? |
| 03:41.32 | goozbach | elg: I asked to avoid the vortex |
| 03:41.42 | goozbach | I don't want to end up back in utah |
| 03:41.48 | goozbach | it's too far from atlanta |
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| 03:45.06 | Sargun | sontek, Hey! |
| 03:45.21 | Sargun | sontek, Where are you looking for a sysadmin? |
| 03:50.13 | sontek | goozbach: salt lake city |
| 03:50.32 | sontek | =) |
| 03:52.24 | Sargun | Aw. |
| 03:52.25 | Sargun | Darn. |
| 03:52.31 | Sargun | Can you relocate me? |
| 03:55.52 | beandog | mixed windows? |
| 03:55.57 | beandog | and unix |
| 03:56.02 | beandog | thats like ... mixed ulcers and headaches :) |
| 03:56.30 | beandog | sontek: post it the job lists though |
| 03:56.34 | beandog | uphpu and sllug both have one |
| 03:56.37 | beandog | Im sure someone would be interested |
| 03:58.16 | sontek | thanks =) |
| 03:58.21 | beandog | sontek: what company is it anyway? |
| 03:59.05 | sontek | www.orchidesolutions.com |
| 03:59.30 | beandog | why the mix? |
| 03:59.33 | beandog | which parts you running on windows |
| 04:01.06 | sontek | For business we use Exchange and Active Directory |
| 04:02.01 | beandog | mm, two beasts |
| 04:02.02 | beandog | thats rough. |
| 04:02.20 | beandog | AD isn't that bad, just really finicky. |
| 04:02.30 | beandog | never worked with Exchange though. |
| 04:02.49 | sontek | I don't know of any opensource solution to replace exchange |
| 04:03.02 | sontek | It has shared calendars and task lists |
| 04:03.02 | beandog | yah, nothings coming to mind off the top of my head |
| 04:03.06 | beandog | I think Novell might have something |
| 04:03.11 | beandog | GroupWise .. *maybe* but I doubt it. |
| 04:03.22 | sontek | They have groupwise but its not as powerful (or wasn't last time I used it) |
| 04:03.46 | sontek | but I heard a lot of good things about their latest update |
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| 04:04.13 | beandog | hmm |
| 04:04.21 | beandog | AD is easy to replace, thank goodness. |
| 04:06.54 | sontek | yeah, I've been slowly converting things since I've been here (it was a windows shop only before) |
| 04:07.07 | sontek | the development is even done in .net but I have most of the apps converted to run under mono |
| 04:07.20 | beandog | wow, thats sweet |
| 04:08.52 | goozbach | so to all of you who suggested pfsense, thank you |
| 04:09.04 | sontek | the largest use of linux we have here right now is our fax server |
| 04:09.15 | goozbach | there's a tutorial on installing it on my pcengines Wrap device |
| 04:09.42 | sontek | is pfsense better than smoothwall? |
| 04:12.46 | goozbach | no idea |
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| 04:21.10 | Sargun | sontek, Yeah |
| 04:21.16 | Sargun | Use Linux! |
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| 04:22.39 | elg | -lart goozbach |
| 04:25.59 | sontek | Sargun: smoothwall is linux |
| 04:26.07 | sontek | Sargun: .. smoothwall runs on linux =) |
| 04:26.14 | sontek | (better way of phrasing that) |
| 04:26.21 | Sargun | hah |
| 04:26.32 | Sargun | No, I'm saying roll your own firewall. |
| 04:28.02 | beandog | firestarter++ |
| 04:28.19 | beandog | I think thats what its called. |
| 04:28.19 | beandog | yah |
| 04:29.04 | Sargun | yeah |
| 04:29.06 | Sargun | iptables |
| 04:38.21 | tristanbob_ | smoothwall is not open source right? |
| 04:38.36 | tristanbob_ | firestarter and guarddog are good firewalls |
| 04:38.40 | tristanbob_ | for desktops |
| 04:45.37 | elg | smoothwall is hideous |
| 04:45.39 | elg | I prefer ferm |
| 04:46.04 | elg | shorewall is what I was thinking of, but I think smoothwall is probably hideous too |
| 04:46.23 | Sargun | I prefer iptables + gentoo! |
| 04:48.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I prefer my own custom router :P |
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| 04:51.56 | vontrapp | i prefer no firewall |
| 05:02.08 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 05:02.49 | elg | so the proxy arp solution is working (how dare torriem recommend NAT?), except cisco somehow gets wind of the real mac address after a time |
| 05:02.55 | elg | and it messes everything up |
| 05:03.14 | elg | I don't understand it. either my vlan is leaking |
| 05:03.24 | elg | or I don't know what |
| 05:18.33 | levi_home | Good evening. |
| 05:20.40 | levi_home | On the bright side, reinstalling Linux is so much easier than it used to be. |
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| 06:38.48 | maquis | ibot: is that from nethack/ |
| 06:38.50 | maquis | ? |
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| 07:03.05 | findlay | ~hack maquis |
| 07:03.06 | ibot | ACTION teaches maquis nethack so that maquis will play until 6 AM |
| 07:04.36 | findlay | -chat |
| 07:04.36 | brac | ~seen bzob |
| 07:05.21 | ibot | bzob <n=bzobrist@nat.myfamilyinc.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 147d 10h 33m 31s ago, saying: ''52 baby!'. |
| 07:05.21 | findlay | -chat about net hack |
| 07:05.21 | brac | net hack |
| 07:05.21 | findlay | -chat about gross hack |
| 07:05.21 | brac | gross hack |
| 07:10.33 | findlay | -chat about stuff |
| 07:10.34 | brac | stuff was more just asking for them. |
| 07:10.43 | findlay | -chat about a lot of stuff |
| 07:10.43 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 07:10.50 | findlay | hm |
| 07:13.37 | findlay | -chat about hm |
| 07:13.37 | brac | hm was |
| 07:13.44 | findlay | -chat about hm was |
| 07:13.44 | brac | hm was |
| 07:13.52 | findlay | -chat about hm was boring |
| 07:13.52 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 07:13.59 | tene | -chat about explosion glass |
| 07:14.01 | findlay | -chat about help chat |
| 07:14.03 | brac | explosion glass |
| 07:14.03 | brac | help chat |
| 07:15.03 | elg | -lart cisco |
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| 14:30.04 | goozbach | moning |
| 14:30.09 | goozbach | mrning |
| 14:30.11 | goozbach | moring! |
| 14:30.16 | goozbach | morning!!! |
| 14:30.18 | goozbach | dang! |
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| 14:40.12 | goozbach | altoid! |
| 14:40.20 | goozbach | PINEAPPLE altoid! |
| 14:40.32 | goozbach | I wonder if I'm still the yellingist on the channel |
| 14:40.35 | goozbach | ~stats |
| 14:40.36 | ibot | Since Tue Mar 6 17:48:55 2007, there have been 22 modifications, 413 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 342 commands. I have been awake for 2d 20h 51m 40s this session, and currently reference 112621 factoids. I'm using about 19388 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 11270.01/641.82 child 0.14/0.06 |
| 14:40.52 | goozbach | ~logs |
| 14:40.54 | ibot | it has been said that logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 14:43.22 | goozbach | yep, still the yellingist! |
| 14:43.28 | goozbach | GO ME! |
| 14:47.37 | herlo | but not really... |
| 14:50.20 | redbeard1 | goozbach: how does that make you the yellingist? |
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| 14:57.09 | graphyx | redbeard1: You should have done this1 |
| 14:57.11 | graphyx | http://www.cs.duke.edu/~rodger/baking/cs030327.html |
| 14:57.12 | brac | [Edible Turing Machines - March 27, 2003] |
| 15:03.15 | goozbach | http://www.savagechickens.com/blog/2007/03/one-day-in-utah.html |
| 15:03.16 | brac | [Savage Chickens: One Day In Utah Cartoon] |
| 15:03.35 | goozbach | redbeard1, herlo: I type in UPPER CASE a lot |
| 15:03.42 | graphyx | thats great |
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| 15:10.38 | redbeard1 | storytime! |
| 15:10.50 | redbeard1 | so i ordered some dvd's the other day from food network |
| 15:10.54 | redbeard1 | (i do that a lot) |
| 15:11.07 | redbeard1 | and i had a promotion code that was supposed to get me 10% off |
| 15:11.25 | redbeard1 | the dvd's i ordered came with a free viewmaster |
| 15:11.48 | redbeard1 | when i entered the promo code, instead of giving me 10% off, it added another free viewmaster to my cart |
| 15:12.12 | redbeard1 | there was no way to remove it either. so i placed the order, thinking that i would only get one freebie |
| 15:12.30 | redbeard1 | my dvd's came yesterday, along with two free viewmasters. score! |
| 15:13.26 | herlo | goozbach: buy WHY? |
| 15:20.05 | goozbach | viewmaster? |
| 15:21.06 | graphyx | what is a viewmaster? |
| 15:22.46 | Jayce^ | those old plastic toys, look kinda like binoculars, but with a lever... |
| 15:23.13 | Jayce^ | you put a small disk with film in it, pull the lever to go to the next picture, does a 3d-ish effect |
| 15:24.08 | graphyx | ok |
| 15:24.23 | graphyx | is it worth that much that it is really that much of a score? |
| 15:25.36 | tensai | I'd rather have 10% off than another viewmaster |
| 15:26.59 | goozbach | that's what I thought a viewmaster was |
| 15:27.15 | goozbach | you can get those at the dollar store now, can't you? |
| 15:28.30 | redbeard1 | the viewmasters have a food network logo on them, and a feasting on asphalt picture disc |
| 15:29.10 | redbeard1 | turns out the guy that was giving us the 10% discount doesn't work for FN anymore, so they took away the discount too. but i guess there's some problems in their code... |
| 15:29.59 | redbeard1 | sadly, when i preordered my ace of cakes dvd's with my limited edition ace of cakes drumsticks, the discount code didn't do anything |
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| 15:49.02 | elg | hail the conquering here |
| 15:49.28 | elg | now I want to finally set up my itsy bitsy firewall. All I want to do is firewall windows stuff. smb, etc. anyone know of a list of those ports? |
| 15:52.17 | dataw0lf | elg: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/832017 |
| 15:52.37 | elg | thanks |
| 15:52.42 | dataw0lf | np |
| 15:55.06 | goozbach | so I'm excited |
| 15:55.17 | goozbach | Lugot is finally taking on a life of it's own |
| 15:55.58 | goozbach | this is AWESOME!!! |
| 15:56.16 | dataw0lf | lugot? |
| 15:56.35 | goozbach | Linux users group of Tallahassee/Thomasville (florida) |
| 15:56.41 | dataw0lf | ah, word |
| 15:56.42 | ^Migs^ | omgwowlugot |
| 15:56.49 | goozbach | this group was all but dead when I got here. |
| 15:56.56 | goozbach | it's exciting to see it growing. |
| 15:57.41 | Jayce^ | your loogie is taking on a life? |
| 15:57.43 | Jayce^ | wow |
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| 16:02.09 | dataw0lf | http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/G/GUATEMALA_BUSH_PURIFICATION?SITE=INEVA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT |
| 16:02.12 | dataw0lf | hehehe |
| 16:06.49 | graphyx | I missread that I thought that it was saving that they were going to purify before |
| 16:15.56 | bonez39 | anyone know the key command to reply to a sender of a mail list item? L and r reply to the list itself and not to the specific sender |
| 16:16.22 | Jayce^ | R? |
| 16:17.46 | elg | in mutt? |
| 16:18.12 | elg | set ignore_list_reply_to = yes |
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| 16:20.16 | elg | then you use L to reply to list, and r works like any sane mutt user would expect |
| 16:20.34 | elg | and the list reply-to goons don't even know you're not playing their game |
| 16:20.48 | elg | but don't tell Jayce^, or nobody will listen when I argue for no list reply-to on plug |
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| 16:22.05 | unum | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? csh.cshrc <- what do you do about that |
| 16:22.11 | unum | besides not use csh |
| 16:22.12 | sjansen | Nooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:22.33 | sjansen | Slashdot's slashdotted! :-( |
| 16:22.52 | sjansen | Wait, false alarm, it's back now. |
| 16:23.01 | unum | I was going to say it works for me |
| 16:23.15 | unum | but I can't get to the rob enderle acticle |
| 16:23.35 | elg | sjansen: I see you're picking up the vim torch |
| 16:23.57 | elg | actually you've probably taught vim lots more than I have by now |
| 16:24.01 | elg | good work anyway |
| 16:24.04 | unum | nice poll on /. |
| 16:24.07 | vontrapp | great, now you guys are gonna make me go look at the plug list |
| 16:24.26 | elg | just the uug announcement |
| 16:24.39 | vontrapp | oh |
| 16:24.50 | sjansen | unum: Not using csh is always the right choice. |
| 16:27.31 | unum | sjansen: true, I've seen a whole web page on that |
| 16:27.58 | unum | not short circuting the logic is really annoying |
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| 16:34.47 | levi | This is hilarious, if you don't mind a little bit of language: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4 |
| 16:35.03 | levi | It's a nerdcore rap song, kill -9 |
| 16:45.55 | dataw0lf | levi: Monzy ftw |
| 16:46.03 | dataw0lf | smart guy too |
| 16:46.10 | redbeard1 | ~onjoin elg |
| 16:46.10 | ibot | onjoin for elg set by elg on Wed Mar 7 12:06:32 2007: Mynd you, møøse bites kan be pretty nastï |
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| 16:50.33 | graphyx | -chat about ibot is |
| 16:50.34 | brac | ibot is actually at opposition right now |
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| 16:54.07 | QBFreak | ibot: you're twisted |
| 16:54.26 | harleypig | heh |
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| 17:09.06 | ti`ocpi | I think I'm now scared of ibot |
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| 17:11.07 | ti`ocpi | brrr I'm cold |
| 17:11.24 | ti`ocpi | I shouldn't be, but I am |
| 17:15.59 | levi | ti`ocpi: Put on a sweater! :) |
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| 17:17.22 | graphyx | levi: what are you? His mom? |
| 17:17.24 | levi | http://codist.biit.com/fiche/thecodist/article/wtf-it-stories-3-the-30-minute-endless-loop |
| 17:17.50 | levi | graphyx: Hey, at least I follow my own advice. I like sweaters. |
| 17:25.22 | sjansen | o/~ If you want to destroy my sweater... ~/o |
| 17:28.12 | redbeard1 | line breaks are for sissies |
| 17:28.39 | ti`ocpi | levi: hehe |
| 17:30.01 | levi | I'm wearing a sweater right now because two AC vents blow a cool breeze into my cube all the time now. |
| 17:31.29 | graphyx | levi I have a hoody I like at home |
| 17:32.46 | levi | That's not a sweater, it's a sweatshirt. Very different, but I suppose that would work for ti`ocpi too. |
| 17:33.36 | ti`ocpi | hehe |
| 17:33.46 | ti`ocpi | I don't have a sweater |
| 17:33.52 | ti`ocpi | I have a sweatshirt though |
| 17:33.55 | levi | No sweaters?! |
| 17:34.06 | ti`ocpi | nope |
| 17:34.09 | levi | Get thee to a clothing store! |
| 17:35.04 | goozbach | sweaters are awesome |
| 17:35.17 | goozbach | but only on chicks |
| 17:35.35 | ti`ocpi | then it'd work for me ;) |
| 17:35.55 | ti`ocpi | in order to go to a clothing store to buy things I would need money |
| 17:35.55 | goozbach | you HAVE to have a sweater |
| 17:36.15 | ti`ocpi | because I'm female? |
| 17:36.41 | goozbach | go to DI and see if you can find one |
| 17:36.44 | goozbach | ti`ocpi: yes |
| 17:37.35 | ti`ocpi | hehe |
| 17:38.16 | levi | I am far from having a sweater fetish, but I certainly appreciate the sweater as a fine, multi-purpose cool-weather garment. |
| 17:38.16 | vontrapp | ti`ocpi: where does that nik come from? |
| 17:38.21 | levi | For both men and women! |
| 17:39.05 | ti`ocpi | vontrapp: Lojbanic word that means "Shadow bird" |
| 17:39.25 | levi | Ahh, lojban. |
| 17:39.31 | ti`ocpi | yup |
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| 17:41.55 | levi | Something that would be fun to learn someday, if I ever had few enough other things I wanted to learn first. ;) |
| 17:42.02 | redbeard1 | what's lojban? |
| 17:42.13 | ti`ocpi | er |
| 17:42.35 | levi | redbeard1: It's a created language based on being logically consistent, or something like that. |
| 17:42.37 | redbeard1 | three words or less! go! |
| 17:42.45 | ti`ocpi | yeah, that sounds about right levi |
| 17:42.55 | redbeard1 | interesting |
| 17:43.00 | ti`ocpi | *nods* |
| 17:43.24 | redbeard1 | ti`ocpi: are you fluent? |
| 17:43.29 | ti`ocpi | not at all |
| 17:43.30 | levi | They also tried to make it culturally neutral. |
| 17:43.38 | ti`ocpi | and they did very very well |
| 17:44.00 | elg | lojban is vulcan esparanto |
| 17:44.47 | ti`ocpi | heh |
| 17:45.12 | levi | Going on a trip? |
| 17:45.20 | ti`ocpi | going back to salt lake for spring break |
| 17:45.52 | levi | You went down to Cedar City from Salt Lake to go to school? How come? |
| 17:46.08 | levi | (not that there's anything wrong with that) |
| 17:46.10 | ti`ocpi | because I like the SUU campus |
| 17:46.34 | vontrapp | is that the chicken crap school? |
| 17:46.35 | ti`ocpi | and I'm an English/Creative Writing major, and SUU has one of the best programs |
| 17:46.37 | goozbach | suu is a decent campus |
| 17:46.42 | ^Migs^ | this looks like a crazy fun game: http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=4491 Click on the GDC 07 On Stage Demonstration video |
| 17:46.46 | brac | [GameTrailers.com - Little Big Planet (Playstation 3) - Media, News, Reviews, Previews] |
| 17:46.48 | goozbach | for that major, even mor eso |
| 17:47.02 | ti`ocpi | *nods* |
| 17:47.12 | levi | Ahh, cool. |
| 17:47.30 | ti`ocpi | the smell? o_O |
| 17:47.42 | ti`ocpi | I haven't noticed any type of smell o_O |
| 17:47.43 | sjansen | http://itext.ugent.be/library/question.php?id=42 |
| 17:47.46 | brac | [iText @ UGent: Consult/add a question] |
| 17:47.52 | vontrapp | i remember the name now, it was snow college |
| 17:47.57 | ti`ocpi | ah |
| 17:47.57 | vontrapp | isn't that down by cedar city? |
| 17:47.59 | goozbach | I didn't go to the campus very often when I "went to school" there |
| 17:48.37 | vontrapp | anyway, yeah she said you could smell chicken crap a lot of the time |
| 17:49.21 | beandog | chicken crap? |
| 17:49.25 | harleypig | http://dslinux.org/wiki/Main_Page |
| 17:49.31 | goozbach | that would be snow college |
| 17:49.35 | ti`ocpi | yeah, we're in Cedar City |
| 17:49.46 | ti`ocpi | the Shakespearian Festival is here |
| 17:51.58 | beandog | mmm, Cedar City |
| 17:52.00 | beandog | my #1 town |
| 17:53.51 | Jayce^ | freak |
| 17:55.50 | beandog | seriously, Cedar City is great |
| 17:56.13 | Jayce^ | beandog, no fond memories of rexburg? :) |
| 17:56.20 | vontrapp | so actually snow college is really far from cedar city :/ |
| 17:56.21 | beandog | one or two. ;) |
| 17:56.30 | beandog | yah, Ephraim is way out there |
| 17:56.40 | ti`ocpi | dun worry |
| 17:56.56 | ti`ocpi | it seems like a lot of people get snow and suu confused |
| 17:56.59 | ti`ocpi | and then suu and dixie |
| 17:58.05 | elg | they're different? |
| 17:58.11 | ti`ocpi | yup |
| 17:59.09 | herlo | elg: I thought about saying that exact thing |
| 17:59.33 | elg | so where/what is dixie? |
| 17:59.41 | ti`ocpi | in St George |
| 17:59.50 | elg | ok, so vontrapp's postfix isn't sending fqdn on helo, and we can't figure out how to tell it to do so |
| 17:59.56 | herlo | elg: Dixie State University (IIRC) |
| 18:00.05 | ti`ocpi | yup |
| 18:00.12 | ti`ocpi | and SUU is Southern Utah University |
| 18:03.35 | dataw0lf | herlo: is the FQDN local? |
| 18:04.00 | herlo | dataw0lf: which FQDN? |
| 18:04.07 | elg | dataw0lf: me actually, and vontrapp. it was sending localhost |
| 18:04.15 | elg | we added mydomain and myhostname=dernhelm |
| 18:04.46 | elg | and now it just sends dernhelm. myhostname=dernhelm.fugal.net works, but the comment in the config file says you shouldn't do that because appending the domain name is the MUA's job |
| 18:04.47 | dataw0lf | herlo: err, sorry. |
| 18:05.08 | elg | so it turns out hostname -f returns just dernhelm maybe that's the problem |
| 18:05.14 | dataw0lf | hm |
| 18:05.17 | herlo | dataw0lf: np |
| 18:05.18 | dataw0lf | try using a transport map |
| 18:06.58 | vontrapp | yay! it works |
| 18:07.10 | vontrapp | now i just have to resend those messages that got dropped into the bit bucket |
| 18:07.18 | brac | now i have multiple rows associated with the same process. It uses my minutes anyway) but for the weak." (: |
| 18:07.28 | elg | minutes for the weak |
| 18:08.01 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 18:10.13 | vontrapp | maybe you could make brac so he chains on random words instead of always the first two words |
| 18:10.20 | elg | maybe I could |
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| 18:12.43 | levi | For the java class? |
| 18:12.46 | elg | can anyone here tell me about java annotations? |
| 18:12.47 | elg | yeah |
| 18:13.00 | elg | junit has this @test thing and I'm wondering about it |
| 18:13.18 | levi | I don't know a whole lot about them, sorry. |
| 18:14.25 | elg | they're valid java though? i don't have to run this through some preprocessor? |
| 18:17.48 | levi | Yes, I believe that annotations are part of the latest java. |
| 18:18.08 | elg | what's a default classpath place I can put this .jar? |
| 18:18.28 | levi | I don't recall when they were introduced, or really much about what they even do. |
| 18:19.06 | levi | And knowing where to put .jar files has long since been flushed from my memory cache of technical details. |
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| 18:19.23 | elg | mine too |
| 18:19.23 | elg | :) |
| 18:19.34 | findlay-w | ~lart oct with vengance |
| 18:19.40 | findlay-w | s/a/e/g |
| 18:20.05 | levi | Sweet, a paper called 'Static Typing for a Faulty Lambda Calculus' that deals with intermittent hardware failures from cosmic rays and whatnot. |
| 18:20.58 | levi | This is a real, serious problem with building provably correct computer systems. |
| 18:21.12 | levi | Proofs don't generally account for cosmic rays. :) |
| 18:22.24 | levi | If you can prove that programs will never interfere with one another's memory, software architectures like Microsoft's Singularity OS become more realistic. |
| 18:25.48 | vontrapp | how does static typing protect against cosmic rays? |
| 18:26.34 | sjansen | Java Annotations were added for 1.5 |
| 18:26.47 | tristanbob | wow - the new Dia has some nice improvments |
| 18:27.02 | tristanbob | now running .95 |
| 18:27.15 | herlo | annotations, that's what they were called. I knew it! |
| 18:27.31 | findlay-w | ~annotate herlo |
| 18:28.01 | sjansen | elg: So far as I'm aware, there is no "default classpath place" to put jars. Each one has to be added to your classpath. |
| 18:28.06 | levi | I haven't read the paper in detail yet. They define a variant of lambda calculus that may arbitrarily 'zap' values. To guarantee reliability, there is some redundancy and majority voting techniques built into some primitive operations. |
| 18:28.28 | sjansen | Although its conceivable that you or your distro could write a shell loop to add all jars in a dir to the classpath. |
| 18:28.28 | elg | sjansen: oh fun. gee I love java. thank goodness for sh |
| 18:29.18 | sjansen | Anything else you want to know about annotations? There one of the reasons I'm finally willing to stomach Java. |
| 18:29.25 | levi | There is a simple color-based type system to ensure that repeated calculations do not depend on one another. |
| 18:30.34 | elg | well, what are they for? |
| 18:30.36 | elg | what do they do? |
| 18:30.40 | elg | why are they cool? |
| 18:32.25 | vontrapp | -lart smtp auth |
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| 18:36.07 | sjansen | Java Annotations are a formal way to meta-data to packages, classes, methods and even members. They can be queried at compile time and used to transform or even generate code. (With Java 1.5, you had to use a pre-compiler. With Java 6, the pre-compiler was merged with javac.) They can also be queried at run time. |
| 18:36.53 | sjansen | s/to meta-data/to add meta-data/ |
| 18:38.16 | elg | hmm |
| 18:38.40 | elg | so can I use that to help me out? I was going to just manually preprocess through cpp |
| 18:38.59 | elg | the interface is the same, but no names were given so everyone is going to have different names for their methods |
| 18:39.12 | elg | I want to write the tests once, then just change a few variables to suit that student's code |
| 18:43.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyone here speak Spanish? |
| 18:45.57 | elg | si señor |
| 18:46.02 | vontrapp | my llama speaks espanol |
| 18:46.08 | Lone_Wanderer | How do you say "Recommendation Engine"? |
| 18:46.20 | Lone_Wanderer | vontrapp: My Moose speaks Swedish. |
| 18:46.33 | elg | la cosa que hace recomendaciones |
| 18:46.36 | vontrapp | buzzwords are the worst to translate |
| 18:46.43 | elg | that's called circumlocution :) |
| 18:46.55 | elg | I don't remember the word for engine, let alone "software engine" |
| 18:46.56 | Lone_Wanderer | what's... |
| 18:47.46 | elg | i barely know how to say recommendation engine in english to someone who doesn't know what a recommendation engine is |
| 18:47.55 | elg | which would be just about everybdoy |
| 18:48.06 | elg | including most of my brain |
| 18:48.54 | herlo | sjansen: do you still have that pic of harleypig with his green beard? |
| 18:52.58 | vontrapp | herlo: http://www.plug.org/profile?page=1 |
| 18:53.39 | herlo | vontrapp: thanx, too small. Need one for a piece of clothing |
| 18:54.04 | sjansen | herlo: I do. |
| 18:54.18 | herlo | sjansen: url? |
| 18:55.33 | vontrapp | herlo: as harleypig's agent i'm gonna have to ask for royalties on any sales |
| 18:55.39 | vontrapp | 20% |
| 18:55.52 | elg | i love this junit cookbook |
| 18:56.02 | elg | it gives you all the meat but none of the trimmings. not one complete example |
| 18:56.08 | harleypig | Oh ... I forgot about that. |
| 18:56.13 | levi | Heh. |
| 18:56.20 | harleypig | vontrapp: What percentage am I going to get? |
| 18:56.24 | elg | like they expect you are a java programmer or something ;-). What does import org.junit.Assert.* statically mean? |
| 18:56.34 | vontrapp | harleypig: 2% |
| 18:56.39 | elg | how do you statically import? why did I leave my Java in a Nutshell book home? |
| 18:56.43 | harleypig | ?! |
| 18:56.49 | harleypig | You agents are all alike! |
| 18:56.56 | vontrapp | doesn't seem like a lot, but it's a whole 10% of my cut |
| 18:57.15 | vontrapp | ok, we'll split it 50/50, you get 20% of my cut |
| 18:57.18 | vontrapp | that's 4% total |
| 18:57.34 | vontrapp | that's fair i think |
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| 19:18.15 | elg | ok, so I got it figured out on ##java, I had a classpath problem |
| 19:18.26 | elg | and some moron is all "and stop using CLASSPATH" |
| 19:18.33 | elg | I ask him, ok what should I use then? |
| 19:18.38 | elg | the command line parameter. |
| 19:18.54 | elg | yeah, right. I'm going to type the full path to my .jar file every time I run javac and java |
| 19:20.12 | dataw0lf | just degrade to his level and say 'ur mom should stop using classpath lol' |
| 19:20.29 | dataw0lf | that'll teach him |
| 19:21.13 | elg | hehe |
| 19:21.27 | elg | it got better: |
| 19:21.43 | elg | 12:17 < Clackwell> where do people STILL learn about CLASSPATH these days? |
| 19:21.44 | elg | 12:17 < Clackwell> maybe the opensource people are to blame. :> |
| 19:21.44 | elg | 12:17 < elg> I'll use the environment variable, thanks. |
| 19:21.45 | elg | 12:17 < Clackwell> excellent. |
| 19:22.27 | elg | so anyway, seems like the argument against CLASSPATH is that it's a global change and might introduce bugs in your other java apps |
| 19:22.32 | elg | like, um........ |
| 19:22.42 | elg | sorry dude. I don't have other java apps. just this stupid class |
| 19:22.51 | elg | and I set it in a shell script |
| 19:23.11 | elg | still, they don't seem quite as mean as #c |
| 19:23.54 | dataw0lf | hehe, true |
| 19:23.58 | dataw0lf | #debian is pretty funny too |
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| 19:28.36 | goozbach | soo boring |
| 19:28.41 | goozbach | I want to go home an work |
| 19:29.01 | elg | what's boring? |
| 19:31.04 | graphyx | 300 |
| 19:31.12 | graphyx | just kidding!! |
| 19:31.25 | graphyx | just trying to get someone's irish up |
| 19:32.17 | redbeard1 | tene: ping |
| 19:33.31 | redbeard1 | ~seen tene |
| 19:33.59 | ibot | tene is currently on #utah. Has said a total of 103 messages. Is idling for 12h 19m 59s, last said: '-chat about explosion glass'. |
| 19:34.29 | tensai | http://hungryinhogtown.typepad.com/hungry_in_hogtown/2007/03/earresistible_e.html |
| 19:34.43 | tensai | mmm. fried rabbit ears |
| 19:35.50 | dataw0lf | tensai: I'm at a loss for words. |
| 19:38.10 | sjansen | graphyx: racist |
| 19:50.14 | QBFreak | redbeard1: alas, he's not on AIM |
| 19:50.23 | dataw0lf | http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21351871-401,00.html mother... of.. four.. |
| 19:50.26 | brac | [Mrs America crowned Mrs World | NEWS.com.au] |
| 19:52.14 | graphyx | wish she were the mother of my four |
| 19:53.32 | graphyx | oops did I say that outloud? |
| 19:53.58 | Jayce^ | doesn't matter, we were all thinking it... |
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| 19:56.49 | QBFreak | tensai: re the rabbit ears, I once got a book on rabbit care from my local public library, it had a section on cooking them |
| 19:58.10 | elg | important part of caring for a rabbit |
| 19:58.15 | elg | knowing when and how to cook it |
| 19:58.30 | QBFreak | I never tried |
| 19:58.36 | QBFreak | I liked my bunnies |
| 19:59.23 | dataw0lf | rabbit tastes good |
| 20:02.42 | QBFreak | man, its slow here for a friday |
| 20:03.13 | QBFreak | I have a virus scan running and a service pack installing, I really should have brought in my trouble PC to fiddle with |
| 20:05.49 | tensai | mmm, sassafras... |
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| 20:12.41 | elg | what do you call it when you pass a paramter that is to be modified by reference to a function? |
| 20:12.49 | elg | "return by reference" or is there another term? |
| 20:13.13 | vontrapp | pass by reference |
| 20:13.18 | vontrapp | or call by reference |
| 20:13.29 | elg | well, you can pass by reference and not modify it |
| 20:13.36 | elg | the mechanism is the same |
| 20:13.51 | elg | but to convey that you modify the thing and return something in it |
| 20:13.54 | vontrapp | oh, you mean copy-back? |
| 20:14.14 | vontrapp | elg, add a ! to the method name |
| 20:14.27 | elg | no, no copying. it's a reference, I just mean that you pass it in with the intent of the function changing it as a side effect |
| 20:14.32 | vontrapp | are you talking about side effect? |
| 20:14.33 | elg | this is java |
| 20:15.01 | dataw0lf | Some.Stupid.Name.That.Sounds.French() ? |
| 20:15.30 | vontrapp | so are you talking about some kind of naming convention that conveys the danger? |
| 20:15.32 | emcnabb | elg: first you convert to PHP, now to Java... what's wrong with you recently? |
| 20:15.40 | vontrapp | or some type |
| 20:15.42 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 20:15.56 | emcnabb | elg: it's already been done |
| 20:16.01 | elg | i'm trying to make sense of the silly API the teacher requested and clarify her intent |
| 20:16.25 | elg | i just want to know the most intelligent way to ask it so I don't have to clarify _my_self later |
| 20:16.38 | goozbach | ~spell liengerie |
| 20:16.49 | herlo | lingerie |
| 20:16.51 | elg | Nigeria. that's it |
| 20:17.06 | goozbach | anyone interested in some st paddy's day lingerie? |
| 20:17.27 | goozbach | http://www.cafepress.com/harleypig |
| 20:17.35 | goozbach | look at your own risk |
| 20:17.43 | herlo | lol |
| 20:17.44 | elg | Lenore Legree is a lingerer and a longer lounger in lengthier Nigerian lingerie |
| 20:17.48 | vontrapp | nigeria? what kind of name is that? |
| 20:17.51 | goozbach | moderately safe for work |
| 20:18.03 | herlo | I'd say it's completely safe for work...but hey |
| 20:18.10 | elg | goozbach: are you kidding? that's not safe for the world, let alone work |
| 20:19.35 | goozbach | I'm glad it's him on the article of clothing, not the other way around. |
| 20:19.56 | elg | this is a stupid spec. ~ "write a method boolean mRNA_to_AA(LinkedList mRNA, LinkedList AA) that converts an mRNA linked list into an AA linked list and returns true if successful" |
| 20:20.24 | elg | um, I think LinkedList mRNA_to_AA(LinkedList mRNA) would be better, returning null if unsuccessful. |
| 20:20.52 | elg | goozbach: be glad it's not recursive |
| 20:21.15 | goozbach | *shudder* |
| 20:21.32 | elg | she asked me to go a little easier on them, so here's how I will do it - by ignoring her stupidity. :) |
| 20:21.53 | goozbach | a picture of hp in a thong, on a thong worn by hp? |
| 20:21.57 | goozbach | *shudder* |
| 20:22.05 | herlo | ewwww |
| 20:22.23 | goozbach | ~trepan goozbach |
| 20:27.22 | vontrapp | elg: so, it changes the linked list in place, as in by reference? then returns true/false? |
| 20:27.35 | vontrapp | what if it fails, returns false, but you linked list is just then broken |
| 20:29.14 | elg | that was the clarification I was going to ask whether the passed in list should be unmodified upon failure |
| 20:30.41 | elg | the actual text is more vague and verbose than I put here too |
| 20:33.17 | vontrapp | more verbose and more vague, that's talent |
| 20:33.21 | brac | more verbose and more elaborate than this case is cool, but the me in bootcamp ;-) |
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| 20:57.58 | harleypig | So anyone going to buy that thong? |
| 20:59.45 | beandog | my eyes! |
| 21:18.04 | elg | haha, dilbert is great |
| 21:21.31 | tensai | ~lart clueless tech support |
| 21:33.32 | goozbach | any EE's in the house? |
| 21:39.30 | harleypig | Vin Diesel is a D&D fan? and an author?! http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0786934980/ref=pd_luc_02303059600768X0786934980/103-7424654-6269404 |
| 21:39.37 | harleypig | Or is this a different Vin Diesel? |
| 21:40.07 | elg | this is his brother, Van Diesel |
| 21:40.12 | elg | they have a cousin Truck Diesel |
| 21:40.19 | elg | he's a bit rough though |
| 21:40.31 | elg | then there's grandpa VW |
| 21:49.48 | elg | haha. this guy makes me laugh |
| 21:50.07 | elg | this method takes a linked list of DNA and converts it to mRNA |
| 21:50.54 | elg | by calling a method to convert the linked list to a string and then calling toCharArray on the string, processing it, then converting the char[] to a String and then calling a method that converts the string to a linked list |
| 21:51.11 | elg | A 10 for reuse |
| 21:52.04 | elg | and another 5 for avoiding the assignment's gratuitous linkedlistness |
| 21:52.08 | elg | and making me laugh |
| 21:52.47 | elg | not very efficient though |
| 21:53.17 | levi | Heh. |
| 21:53.40 | sjansen | Nice. Instead of being penalized for dodging the obious intent of the exercise, he's being rewarded. |
| 21:54.05 | elg | that's what happens when you make me the TA :) |
| 21:54.12 | sjansen | Teacher: "How do you justify this student's grade?" elg: "I'm teaching him a life lesson." |
| 21:54.17 | elg | it helps that he gets it and is obviously in as much pain as I am |
| 21:55.17 | elg | nah, she won't look at these in detail |
| 21:55.36 | elg | and even if she did, it's perfectly within spec |
| 21:55.57 | Lone_Wanderer | I'd give him an extra two for being a smartarse. |
| 21:57.52 | elg | it makes me sad that these students don't get the joy of writing wtf comments in their code |
| 21:58.12 | elg | since we didn't turn in the code very often at BYU, I often would gripe about stupid assignments and make fun of things in my comments |
| 22:00.44 | sjansen | Sure they can, most probably just don't have the guts. |
| 22:01.09 | elg | well, yeah |
| 22:01.19 | elg | ~taunt sjansen |
| 22:01.23 | ibot | ACTION folds a paper football and flicks it at sjansen |
| 22:02.02 | elg | anyone here have Sunshine on Leith? |
| 22:02.15 | Jayce^ | I have a rip of it |
| 22:02.34 | Jayce^ | dunno what happened to the cd |
| 22:07.04 | levi | Gah, I think my wife just rebooted my server. :/ |
| 22:07.18 | levi | Her stupid game probably locked up. |
| 22:07.24 | tene | levi: better than your server rebooting your wif.e |
| 22:07.28 | tene | wife. |
| 22:07.30 | elg | that's the problem with wives |
| 22:07.33 | elg | what game? |
| 22:07.40 | levi | Sims 2 |
| 22:07.44 | elg | they're almost as bad as 2 year olds :) |
| 22:07.53 | elg | as far as the effect on computers |
| 22:08.22 | levi | My wife was pretty good about not downloading things until she learned about all the Sims 2 content out there on the web. |
| 22:08.42 | dataw0lf | you guys and your wives |
| 22:08.46 | dataw0lf | when did you guys marry? |
| 22:08.51 | levi | Now I have to fix the game periodically because she downloaded something with a hack in it or whatever. |
| 22:09.01 | elg | 5 years and 3ish months ago |
| 22:09.05 | dataw0lf | I mean, age wise |
| 22:09.15 | elg | oh. 24 I think |
| 22:09.16 | levi | Late 20s. |
| 22:09.45 | dataw0lf | that's pretty late for Utah, I'm impressed. |
| 22:10.09 | dataw0lf | a friend of mine married when he was 20. Tried to talk him out of it, but since he doesn't drink alcohol, it was hard |
| 22:10.36 | levi | What does drinking alcohol have to do with talking him out of getting married? |
| 22:10.52 | Jayce^ | 22 |
| 22:11.14 | elg | maybe he was going to dress up as his wife and do a tevye-like dream sequence |
| 22:11.36 | dataw0lf | levi: everything. |
| 22:11.44 | elg | what happens when you do wander? you change your nick to Not_Quite_Lone_Wandere? |
| 22:11.49 | dataw0lf | man, I'm 24 and I ain't getting married until I'm well, well, well past 30 |
| 22:11.55 | levi | dataw0lf: That may be true, but it does not answer my question. |
| 22:12.05 | dataw0lf | levi: Have you ever been drunk? |
| 22:12.05 | levi | dataw0lf: Do you want kids? |
| 22:12.11 | levi | dataw0lf: No. |
| 22:12.13 | dataw0lf | People are much more malleable when they're drunk. |
| 22:12.20 | dataw0lf | I have a kid. |
| 22:12.25 | dataw0lf | I just don't want to get married. |
| 22:12.34 | levi | I see. |
| 22:12.37 | Lone_Wanderer | elg: I don't know. I'll probably have to change my nick to Whatever_You_Say_Dear. |
| 22:12.39 | brac | I see. yes, it's their beta release if anything |
| 22:13.14 | levi | Well, I like the idea of my kids having parents that are married and not terribly old. |
| 22:13.21 | Lone_Wanderer | or Wanderer_When_I'm_Not_Fixing_The_House, or Lone_Wanderer_But_Only_When_I_Have_Permission |
| 22:13.34 | dataw0lf | levi: you're saying my ex should've gotten an abortion? |
| 22:13.43 | levi | dataw0lf: No, I'm just stating my preference. |
| 22:13.53 | levi | dataw0lf: For my kids. |
| 22:13.57 | dataw0lf | My kid is fine. |
| 22:14.04 | dataw0lf | Thanks for the input though. |
| 22:14.27 | levi | Um, it wasn't intended as input to you, but a reason for me to get married when I did. |
| 22:14.35 | levi | Way to be defensive, though. |
| 22:14.59 | dataw0lf | your comment sounded pretty snotty, is all. |
| 22:15.14 | dataw0lf | I can be a presence in my child's life without marrying his mother. |
| 22:15.20 | dataw0lf | I assure you, it's feasible. |
| 22:15.42 | levi | Sure, but so is getting married before 30. |
| 22:15.51 | levi | Your comment sounded pretty snotty, too. |
| 22:16.05 | dataw0lf | which one? |
| 22:16.15 | levi | Several of them, actually. |
| 22:16.21 | dataw0lf | specify. |
| 22:16.26 | levi | <dataw0lf> that's pretty late for Utah, I'm impressed. |
| 22:16.27 | findlay-w | everybody knows only celibacy is condonable. Everyone else is just inferior |
| 22:16.28 | Lone_Wanderer | All of your comments have boogers on them! |
| 22:16.31 | levi | <dataw0lf> man, I'm 24 and I ain't getting married until I'm well, well, well past 30 |
| 22:16.40 | dataw0lf | that was snotty? |
| 22:16.48 | levi | At least as snotty as any of mine. |
| 22:16.50 | dataw0lf | Are you claiming that Utahns don't get married pretty early? |
| 22:17.06 | dataw0lf | It wasn't a judgement on you guys, or anyone else. |
| 22:17.14 | levi | As I claimed about my statement. |
| 22:17.16 | dataw0lf | I just was surprised to hear you guys got married so late. |
| 22:17.18 | levi | But you didn't seem to believe that! |
| 22:17.28 | levi | Why should I believe yours? |
| 22:17.59 | dataw0lf | Perhaps because I don't think marrying early or late is a sin? |
| 22:18.07 | levi | Nor do I. |
| 22:18.19 | dataw0lf | But you think having a child out of wedlock is a sin, is the point. |
| 22:18.29 | levi | So? |
| 22:18.35 | findlay-w | marrying at all is one of the most egreigous sins |
| 22:19.05 | dataw0lf | levi: So, when you say that you're doing it for 'the kids', you're trying to raise yourself above me from a moral perspective. |
| 22:19.09 | dataw0lf | subconsciously or not. |
| 22:19.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Indeed. It has been decreed that we should all reproduce through cloning. |
| 22:19.59 | levi | dataw0lf: And when you say there's no way you're getting married before 30, you're raising yourself above all us religious schmucks that are cramping our lifestyles for the sake of our kids. |
| 22:20.58 | dataw0lf | No, I'm not. I was just saying that I'm not going to get married before I'm 30. It has no moral judgment behind it, whatsoever. It's my personal preference to not get married before I'm 30, and I wasn't being condescending when I said it. If that's the way I came across, I apologize. |
| 22:21.22 | levi | Oh, gee, you can interpret extra meaning into my words, but I can't interpret any extra meaning into yours. I see how it works now. |
| 22:21.28 | dataw0lf | if you think me not getting married before I'm 30 has anything to do with 'cramping my lifestyle', you're wrong. |
| 22:21.41 | dataw0lf | well, there was extra meaning in your words. |
| 22:21.45 | dataw0lf | I think you know it. |
| 22:21.48 | dataw0lf | I certainly knew it. |
| 22:21.51 | levi | No, indeed, there was not. |
| 22:22.01 | dataw0lf | Sure there wasn't. |
| 22:22.09 | levi | I tried to phrase it in a way that did not imply the 'extra meaning' I knew you'd try to find, but you looked for it anyway. |
| 22:22.19 | emcnabb | fight fight fight! |
| 22:22.30 | levi | Anyway, think what you want. I don't really care. |
| 22:22.34 | dataw0lf | there's always going to be extra meaning when you retain certain moral beliefs and look down upon others (sin). |
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| 22:22.45 | elg | sin has nothing to do with looking down on people |
| 22:22.50 | dataw0lf | really? |
| 22:22.54 | dataw0lf | haha, ok. |
| 22:22.59 | elg | quite. but you don't care to discuss it |
| 22:23.00 | dataw0lf | let's not get into a religious argument, I'm sorry. |
| 22:23.09 | dataw0lf | I don't care to discuss it? |
| 22:23.29 | dataw0lf | you're telling me that you think labelling some people as sinners isn't a way to mount a high horse and pass judgement on people? |
| 22:23.36 | elg | no, you'd rather put words and meanings in peoples mouths. you've already made up your mind |
| 22:23.43 | dataw0lf | and you've already made up yours. |
| 22:23.47 | elg | sure it's a way |
| 22:23.50 | brac | and you've already tried installing OpenBSD once but the regional manager noticed your manager's incompetence |
| 22:23.52 | levi | Huh, apparently my computer didn't get rebooted, the network connection just died temporarily. |
| 22:23.54 | Lone_Wanderer | even *more* specifically, where he talks about dealing with other people who have sinned. |
| 22:23.59 | brac | even *more* specifically, where he had a virus from 1,000 miles away? |
| 22:24.04 | elg | that doesn't mean that there can't be sin |
| 22:24.10 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: too bad people don't apply that in real life |
| 22:24.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, not all people certainly, but that doesn't mean that nobody does. |
| 22:24.33 | elg | dataw0lf: maybe we do but you don't want to see it |
| 22:24.43 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: well, we can take a show of hands on who voted against homosexual marriage, for one. |
| 22:24.48 | dataw0lf | regarding judgement. |
| 22:24.50 | elg | maybe, just maybe, we don't look down our noses at you |
| 22:24.53 | sjansen | dataw0lf: Quit trying to pretend you don't pass value judgements yourself. |
| 22:24.58 | elg | and despise people that do that ourselves |
| 22:25.11 | dataw0lf | sjansen: I do pass value judgements. Everyone does. |
| 22:25.21 | elg | so what's the big deal? |
| 22:25.33 | dataw0lf | sjansen: but if I do pass value judgements, I don't try to force them on other people, nor do I try to preach them others. I simply make an observation. |
| 22:25.44 | elg | nobody tried to preach to you |
| 22:25.57 | sjansen | dataw0lf: Oh, I see, levi was trying to force his values on you? |
| 22:26.00 | elg | levi went out of his way to phrase it in a way that would not be preachy |
| 22:26.15 | Lone_Wanderer | levi wasn't trying to force his values on you. He specifically worded his statement to avoid any suggestion of that, even. |
| 22:26.21 | dataw0lf | how so? |
| 22:26.21 | findlay-w | yeah, and it was *still* pretty entertaining |
| 22:26.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, he said what he did, instead of "Kids out of wedlock? You're going to hell." |
| 22:27.00 | dataw0lf | by implying that kids would be better off in a married environment and him marrying at a young age? |
| 22:27.09 | dataw0lf | he just had the bad luck to say it someone who does have a kid out of wedlock. |
| 22:27.17 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't think he implied that, though it may have been inferred. |
| 22:27.29 | Lone_Wanderer | He just stated his preference. |
| 22:27.30 | Jayce^ | implying, no, that was more in the reader.. |
| 22:27.58 | dataw0lf | ok, so, am I sinner for having a kid out of wedlock? |
| 22:28.07 | dataw0lf | and what exactly does sinner imply? |
| 22:28.15 | redbeard1 | spr: ping |
| 22:28.19 | sjansen | So levi's mistake was expressing an opinion supportable by fact? |
| 22:28.31 | emcnabb | dataw0lf: you'll burn in the depths of hell, and sjansen will be your overlord |
| 22:28.38 | findlay-w | heh |
| 22:28.45 | tene | I'd just like to note that reading the bible doesn't give a very accurate representation at all of the attitudes and beliefs of most christian people I know. |
| 22:28.50 | sjansen | I would define sin as behavior that harms the person sinning, another person, or society in general. |
| 22:29.01 | dataw0lf | so am I sinner for having a kid out of wedlock? |
| 22:29.18 | elg | dataw0lf: there are many definitions of sinner. we all fit into some, probably a lot, of them. what matters is how _you_ fit into _your_ definition |
| 22:29.21 | dataw0lf | just say it! if you believe it, say it, I mean, give me a break. |
| 22:29.33 | redbeard1 | dataw0lf: you're a sinner for writing part of your name in 1337 |
| 22:29.35 | elg | by my definition of sin, you're a sinner. so am I |
| 22:29.41 | sjansen | If you accept that deliberately denying a child a two parent family is harmful for the child and society, then yes, you are a sinner. |
| 22:29.41 | dataw0lf | redbeard1: now, that's true. |
| 22:29.58 | sjansen | Just like all the crazy Utah drivers cutting each other off are sinners. |
| 22:30.02 | dataw0lf | so I should've married a woman who didn't love me, and I didn't love her |
| 22:30.07 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, sure, you have sinned before but it doesn't mean you' haven't done whatever was necessary to correct it (and there is not always a single answer).. but that could be said about anyone... |
| 22:30.12 | dataw0lf | so the kid could be raised in a tense environment |
| 22:30.24 | dataw0lf | I take care of my kid, ok? So, guess what, I'm not a sinner. |
| 22:30.25 | elg | dataw0lf: not an easy choice |
| 22:30.41 | dataw0lf | elg: no, it isn't. |
| 22:30.47 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, no, marrying the girl isn't always the right answer... that's why folks are here are judging that.. |
| 22:30.51 | elg | which is why it's easier to not get into that situation. but water under the bridge |
| 22:31.03 | Jayce^ | well, far from the only reason I should say |
| 22:31.56 | levi | dataw0lf: Look, I'm sorry if you felt I was making a value judgement against you. I did not intend to do that at all, and I really tried to phrase the reasons for my preference to get married when I did in a way that wouldn't appear condescending. I'm sorry I wasn't successful in that; I truly did not mean to sound that way. |
| 22:31.56 | dataw0lf | elg: true enough. |
| 22:32.04 | redbeard1 | Jayce^: you know if matt is going to 300 with you guys? |
| 22:32.12 | Jayce^ | don't think so |
| 22:32.15 | dataw0lf | levi: I probably was way too sensitive, I apologize. |
| 22:32.25 | elg | 300 - is that some movie I should know about? |
| 22:32.32 | dataw0lf | elg: awesomest movie ever |
| 22:32.39 | dataw0lf | going to see it in San Fran tomorrow. |
| 22:32.40 | elg | heh. why? |
| 22:32.40 | levi | elg: If you like movies with ancient Greeks killing each other. |
| 22:32.44 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, dont' worry, we hate you for far too many reasons to think that you having a kid out of wedlock is going to matter :) |
| 22:32.46 | Lone_Wanderer | It looks too World of Warcraft to me, tbh. |
| 22:32.51 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: point taken! |
| 22:32.54 | elg | oh, I don't much like ancient greeks. too pointy |
| 22:33.10 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: Now you're a sinner. For comparing a Frank Miller comic to WoW. |
| 22:33.16 | Lone_Wanderer | WoW meaning "The more GIGANTIC and SPIKY and OVER THE TOP we can make this the COOLER it will be!!!" |
| 22:33.33 | dataw0lf | yes, but WoW is populated by geeks. |
| 22:33.40 | elg | greeks, geeks. all the same |
| 22:33.43 | dataw0lf | 300 is populated by Persians and Spartans, Frank Miller style. |
| 22:33.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Just look at an endgame armor set to see what I mean. You couldn't shrug while wearing one of those without cutting your own head off. |
| 22:34.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, but come on. Riding a rhino? |
| 22:34.13 | Lone_Wanderer | (I'll probably see it anyway.) |
| 22:34.14 | dataw0lf | Would you ride a rhino if you could? |
| 22:34.18 | Lone_Wanderer | ... |
| 22:34.20 | Lone_Wanderer | yes |
| 22:34.23 | dataw0lf | exactly, because you're a man |
| 22:34.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Now that you put it that way, I totally would. |
| 22:34.33 | dataw0lf | now go see the movie |
| 22:35.05 | Lone_Wanderer | but if I see ONE spartan wearing armor that could potentially harm him if he did something normal, like sitting down or crossing his arms |
| 22:35.15 | Lone_Wanderer | or wielding a GIGANTIC!!!!! sword |
| 22:35.17 | Lone_Wanderer | I am out of there. |
| 22:35.22 | dataw0lf | dude, it's not s'posed to be realistic |
| 22:35.26 | dataw0lf | it's FRANK MILLER |
| 22:35.30 | dataw0lf | it's stylish and uber violent |
| 22:35.34 | redbeard1 | frank miller is the man |
| 22:35.37 | dataw0lf | true dat |
| 22:35.42 | levi | It's supposed to be TOTALLY WICKED!! |
| 22:35.53 | Jayce^ | and yet redbeard1 didn't want to join us |
| 22:35.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Stylish and uber violent is one thing. Retarded and over the top is another. |
| 22:36.03 | redbeard1 | wasn't frank miller the one that wrote the dark knight returns? |
| 22:36.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Hold on let me get you a link... |
| 22:36.11 | redbeard1 | that book forever changed the face of comics |
| 22:36.24 | dataw0lf | redbeard1: yup |
| 22:36.29 | dataw0lf | and Sin City, of course |
| 22:36.33 | redbeard1 | well, sure |
| 22:36.53 | tene | dataw0lf: you life in San Fran? |
| 22:37.03 | findlay-w | business people are funny |
| 22:37.05 | redbeard1 | granted, nothing tops the archie/punisher crossover a few years ago... |
| 22:37.13 | dataw0lf | tene: nah, Reno, it's a 3 hour drive or so |
| 22:37.18 | elg | findlay-w: yeah, in the same way special-ed people are funny |
| 22:37.18 | tene | Ahh, kk |
| 22:37.26 | elg | be a bit more sensitive, ok? |
| 22:37.48 | dataw0lf | elg: now you're just degrading special-ed people |
| 22:37.54 | findlay-w | they spend all this money on 'consultants' who turn out to be 20-30 year old dudes with fake laughs who say the weiredest things |
| 22:37.57 | elg | you're right. I'm sorry |
| 22:38.27 | tene | I've been thinking about taking a job in SF |
| 22:38.27 | elg | i'd love to live in SF |
| 22:38.27 | elg | don't know that I could afford it though |
| 22:38.27 | findlay-w | the symphony there is pretty good |
| 22:38.28 | dataw0lf | I work for a company based out of SF |
| 22:38.28 | dataw0lf | they want to move me out there |
| 22:38.29 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/items/armorsets/ - look at a few of those and tell me they don't look retarded. |
| 22:38.33 | elg | if I had the mad skillz to live in SF I'd probably rather live somewhere else and own a plane instead |
| 22:38.33 | dataw0lf | but I'm holding out for a larger raise then what they offered |
| 22:39.06 | dataw0lf | expensive place to live |
| 22:40.54 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: obviously, because it's WoW |
| 22:41.09 | sjansen | My goodness, Java Generics make some syntatic sugar possible, but they sure can be a mysterious pain sometimes. |
| 22:41.23 | Lone_Wanderer | A mysterious pain? |
| 22:41.34 | Lone_Wanderer | "I've got this tremendous pain, but I'm not sure exactly where it is that I hurt." |
| 22:41.45 | findlay-w | Lone_Wanderer: not mysterious enough, try again |
| 22:42.04 | dataw0lf | "this pain feels like it's coming from across the room!" |
| 22:42.12 | Lone_Wanderer | "Am I in pain?" |
| 22:42.49 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: I like how the Tier 1 Raid Set has no helm. |
| 22:43.03 | Lone_Wanderer | how about "Occasionally I feel something akin to pain, but I'm not sure if it's real, when the last time I felt it was, or if it's even pain at all." |
| 22:43.11 | Lone_Wanderer | The tier 1 set does have a helm... |
| 22:43.24 | Lone_Wanderer | it's dropped by the last boss in Scholomance |
| 22:43.37 | Lone_Wanderer | And the ONLY REASON I know that is because he drops all of them >.> |
| 22:43.37 | levi | Well, it doesn't look like it in the picture. |
| 22:43.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Honest. |
| 22:43.52 | levi | Tier 1 Raid Set, Warrior, Human, Male |
| 22:43.52 | Lone_Wanderer | If I'm thinking of the right set. |
| 22:44.02 | dataw0lf | man |
| 22:44.06 | dataw0lf | you need to get out LW |
| 22:44.11 | levi | You can see the guy's hair. |
| 22:44.23 | levi | If you can see it, an ax could cleave it! |
| 22:44.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahh, I see. It does have a helm, it's just got retarded art. |
| 22:44.36 | brac | I see. Someone in an hour? |
| 22:44.46 | levi | Notwithstanding all the spikes on the shoulders. |
| 22:44.46 | tene | brac: shut up |
| 22:44.47 | dataw0lf | levi: Too bad Cochran didn't get involved in such a dispute.. |
| 22:44.54 | Lone_Wanderer | It's on the right side, top left. |
| 22:45.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Those spikes are exactly what I'm talking about. Who would wear that? |
| 22:45.21 | dataw0lf | greatest South Park episode ever was the Wookie Defense episode. |
| 22:45.27 | Lone_Wanderer | And yet they feel compelled to put gigantic spikey things on every shoulder piece. |
| 22:45.29 | levi | Someone who wants to look TOTALLY WICKED!! |
| 22:45.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Someone needs to fire their art director. |
| 22:45.59 | Lone_Wanderer | The sad thing is, most people I play with like it. |
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| 22:46.11 | dataw0lf | that you're taking WoW so seriously, Lone_Wanderer, and implying that it should be more realistic, just comments on your current situation |
| 22:46.19 | Lone_Wanderer | They also like weapons that are way too big for any mortal to wield effectively |
| 22:46.44 | Lone_Wanderer | I've always been of this opinion, DW. I can't play FF 'cause Cloud's swords are just way too dumb looking. |
| 22:46.47 | dataw0lf | but you're NOT a mortal, are you! You're a Super Duper Chartreuse Elf. |
| 22:46.57 | Lone_Wanderer | No, I'm a Taur... umm. |
| 22:46.58 | Lone_Wanderer | >.> |
| 22:47.07 | dataw0lf | more like Taurd |
| 22:47.16 | tene | Lone_Wanderer: so don't play the game. |
| 22:47.39 | tene | why complain about it when there's nobody claiming that it's realistic at all and you're not forced to play it? |
| 22:47.54 | Lone_Wanderer | It's fun :( |
| 22:48.01 | beandog | wow sucks |
| 22:48.04 | tene | and what, are giant goat beasts slaying giant fire-breathing demons realistic? |
| 22:48.05 | beandog | uh |
| 22:48.12 | beandog | whats that one I play? |
| 22:48.12 | dataw0lf | in the RPG Life (tm), I have problems with speed bumps, so I feel Lone_Wanderer's pain. |
| 22:48.12 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: A realistic depiction of medieval combat wouldn't be much fun. |
| 22:48.12 | beandog | DDO |
| 22:48.13 | beandog | :D |
| 22:48.27 | dataw0lf | beandog: I actually was tempted to play that |
| 22:48.31 | dataw0lf | does it use 3rd edition rules or what? |
| 22:48.35 | beandog | yah |
| 22:48.35 | Lone_Wanderer | levi: I know, but they could at *least* tone down the shoulder pieces. |
| 22:48.38 | dataw0lf | awesome |
| 22:48.41 | dataw0lf | I'm there |
| 22:48.44 | dataw0lf | not |
| 22:48.54 | beandog | Its the only mmo so far Ive been able to stomach |
| 22:48.57 | tene | Lone_Wanderer: would you rather fight mundane humans that die in one or two hits of a sword? |
| 22:49.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Realistic combat would last about thirty seconds and would generally end in one person being brutally maimed if not dead. |
| 22:49.14 | tene | beandog: I had quite a bit of fun in retromud a few years back |
| 22:49.17 | dataw0lf | beandog: why don't I give you and LW an account on my server and we seriously attack making a good mud? |
| 22:49.32 | dataw0lf | I may have Sojourn's source still lying around somewhere. |
| 22:49.33 | Lone_Wanderer | tene: All I'm saying is, get rid of the shoulder spikes, okay? :p |
| 22:49.34 | beandog | mm, that would be fun. |
| 22:49.39 | beandog | I used to be a builder on one. |
| 22:49.42 | beandog | and an imm |
| 22:49.44 | beandog | fun times. |
| 22:49.46 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Everybody's a critic. ;) |
| 22:49.55 | dataw0lf | yea, I was a coder on Sojourn and Known Worlds |
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| 22:49.58 | tene | Some friends of mine have been doing a lot of hacking on a multilingual mud |
| 22:50.23 | tene | some pretty interesting stuff |
| 22:50.36 | beandog | me pegaste! |
| 22:50.41 | levi | I'd like a programming-themed MUD. |
| 22:50.52 | dataw0lf | I'm more interested in economy and nation based systems on MUDs |
| 22:51.01 | levi | You could progress through levels by solving programming puzzles. |
| 22:51.09 | dataw0lf | huh |
| 22:51.09 | levi | When you get far enough, you can help implement new ones. |
| 22:51.14 | dataw0lf | huh |
| 22:51.23 | dataw0lf | that's... a pretty good idea, levi. |
| 22:51.57 | levi | It would need a lot of idea development, though, and I don't have the time for it. |
| 22:52.00 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: Same here. I like... oh what'sit called, the space based MMO. |
| 22:52.06 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Which one? |
| 22:52.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyway, it's got a ton of economic tools. |
| 22:52.08 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: no idea. |
| 22:52.18 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: EVE or Vendetta? |
| 22:52.21 | Lone_Wanderer | EVE |
| 22:52.26 | sjansen | Stupid Java generics. |
| 22:52.32 | levi | Poor sjansen. |
| 22:52.38 | levi | What's wrong with Java generics this time? |
| 22:52.40 | dataw0lf | alright, LW, beandog, see priv in a sec, I'll create users on my server and we can start programming tomorrow (I have a concert to go to in 30 minutes) |
| 22:52.43 | Lone_Wanderer | But I like the idea of a magic system that strongly resembles programming |
| 22:54.03 | sjansen | Type safety: The method isAnnotationPresent(Class) belongs to the raw type Class. References to generic type Class<T> should be parameterized |
| 22:54.50 | sjansen | problem code: Class[] parm = m.getParameterTypes(); Class cls = parm[0]; |
| 22:55.05 | sjansen | solution: Class[] parm = m.getParameterTypes(); Class<?> cls = parm[0]; |
| 22:56.13 | sjansen | In other words, the compiler insisted that I might not know what the class was and wouldn't shut up until I told it I had no idea what the class was. |
| 22:56.53 | mheath | ~lart School |
| 22:56.59 | mheath | ~lart Basic Electricity Class |
| 22:57.43 | mheath | And furthermore |
| 22:58.14 | mheath | ~lart A&W employees so lazy they can't even scoop proper ice cream into my root beer floot, and instead put soft serve, making it taste horrible |
| 22:58.19 | elg | sjansen: don't you like compiler handholding |
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| 22:58.41 | sjansen | no, no I don't |
| 22:58.44 | elg | root beer floats is one thing I've always felt comfortable doing myself |
| 22:58.50 | elg | sjansen: neither do I |
| 23:02.48 | QBFreak | I'm trying to narrow down what is causing my PC to lock up seemingly at random |
| 23:03.05 | QBFreak | I have tested memory and hard drive repeatedly and successfully |
| 23:03.06 | mheath | I hate this. Grr... |
| 23:03.12 | mheath | "Mandatory Homework Makeup". |
| 23:03.31 | mheath | IE, waste an hour and a half of my time with busywork he won't even grade |
| 23:03.37 | QBFreak | if I leave lucifer running overnight or all day, it will get 20ish errors, but it doesn't etll me what |
| 23:04.02 | mheath | Wherelse can I get officially written up and yelled at for 15 minutes because I mismarked one of my incorrect answers as correct? |
| 23:04.08 | QBFreak | I tried disabling spread spectrum in the BIOS, anything else I should look at? |
| 23:06.58 | macnewbold | "mismarked one of my incorrect answers as correct" sounds almost like cheating... or at best, a very unfortunate mistake that looks really bad |
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| 23:20.55 | QBFreak | mheathsdomain.com ? |
| 23:21.15 | findlay-w | thedomainofmheath.com |
| 23:21.55 | findlay-w | mheathsrantsandirrendesvouzaciouslyness.com |
| 23:22.26 | findlay-w | .com is so cliche |
| 23:22.39 | QBFreak | I have a .net |
| 23:24.45 | elg | miguelbrezo.es |
| 23:26.08 | tene | squibblesquibble.net |
| 23:26.13 | QBFreak | tene! |
| 23:26.49 | elg | deckswabber.com |
| 23:27.03 | tene | ^3! |
| 23:27.13 | elg | nukular.us |
| 23:27.41 | tene | iminthenavyguyzomglol.com |
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| 23:29.27 | elg | inthenavydangit.com |
| 23:30.19 | Lone_Wanderer | QBFreak: Yeah, your power supply. |
| 23:30.47 | mheath | Seriously |
| 23:30.50 | QBFreak | yeah, I figured that was coming *sigh* |
| 23:31.01 | QBFreak | I of all the ones I have, I trust it the most :) |
| 23:31.10 | mheath | Our instructor says that they check for "understanding" not word for word regurgitation of the book |
| 23:31.12 | elg | well, I think a good way of coming up with a domain name, if the obvious choices are gone |
| 23:31.27 | mheath | Then why does he remake me do half my questions until I almost word-for-word regurgitate the book? |
| 23:31.45 | elg | is pick something you're passionate about, find an uncommon word related to that, make up a witty short two- or one-word phrase using that word |
| 23:31.54 | elg | and tack on whichever suffix(es) are available |
| 23:32.09 | mheath | elg, thanks for the suggestions. |
| 23:32.19 | elg | like, if you're passionate about mountains, it could be cragnose.com |
| 23:32.26 | Lone_Wanderer | elg: falcon.ry for example? That's probably already taken. |
| 23:32.28 | elg | that works espcially well if you have a crag nose |
| 23:32.35 | tene | or if you're passionate about revenge by arson, it could be pleasedieinafire.net |
| 23:32.35 | mheath | indeed. |
| 23:32.36 | elg | is ry a suffix? |
| 23:32.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Probably not. |
| 23:32.49 | elg | then it's probably not taken :) |
| 23:32.54 | QBFreak | tene: fire is so shiiiny |
| 23:33.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Unless it's for Ryiad. |
| 23:33.03 | mheath | Parallax Error, for example. |
| 23:33.16 | elg | just pick something you know you'll be at least semipassionate about in the long term |
| 23:33.29 | tene | findlay-w: examples? |
| 23:33.34 | elg | 300rabbits.com wouldn't be a good choice, for example |
| 23:33.43 | tene | findlay usually has interesting things to say. |
| 23:33.50 | Lone_Wanderer | But I LOVE rabbits. They're much better than chicken. |
| 23:33.56 | findlay-w | tene: well, first of all the botchedness of TLDs |
| 23:34.10 | mheath | Don't you think that "A misreading of a gauge due to the viewer's angle. Can be solved by looking directly at the gauge, or by using one with a mirror background." would be an acceptable answer to "What is parallax error, and how can it be avoided?" |
| 23:34.27 | findlay-w | tene: as in a TLD used to mean something |
| 23:34.34 | elg | TLDs were back when they didn't think the internet was truly international |
| 23:35.00 | findlay-w | people have to think up something wierd in order to get a name they like |
| 23:35.12 | mheath | But, no, he'll only accept something almost identical to "A perceived change in the position of a meter due to the viewer's position" etc. |
| 23:35.13 | findlay-w | getting a place on the intarwebs should be so much more trivial |
| 23:35.35 | mheath | I originally wanted to get something for my family |
| 23:35.53 | mheath | IE heathfamily.net or something |
| 23:36.04 | mheath | But it seems almost everything *heath*.* worth getting is taken. |
| 23:36.11 | elg | heath.ru perhaps |
| 23:36.16 | elg | pronounced, heath row |
| 23:36.29 | elg | the brits'll be mad they didn't think of it first |
| 23:37.00 | elg | oh I guess it's heathrow. one word |
| 23:37.12 | Lone_Wanderer | elg: that's a more Scottish pronounciation of "row". |
| 23:37.28 | elg | heathrogue maybe |
| 23:37.35 | elg | Lone_Wanderer: heh, that's true. awesome |
| 23:38.08 | elg | a scottish pronunciation of an english place with a russian domain for an american family |
| 23:38.12 | elg | what coul dbe better? |
| 23:38.21 | findlay-w | nothing! |
| 23:38.25 | findlay-w | get it mheath! |
| 23:38.40 | mheath | Damn it |
| 23:38.42 | mheath | erm |
| 23:38.45 | mheath | pardon my language. |
| 23:39.00 | mheath | ~lart mheath |
| 23:42.33 | mheath | Having lots of fun with Fedora here. |
| 23:42.38 | mheath | -.- |
| 23:44.19 | findlay-w | you should try a bowler |
| 23:44.24 | findlay-w | that would be even more fun |
| 23:45.02 | mheath | ~bowl |
| 23:45.04 | ibot | what you eat out of, or mainly what you smoke out of |
| 23:45.19 | findlay-w | how about a base ball hat? |
| 23:45.20 | mheath | uh. Heh. |
| 23:48.04 | levi | Erlang binary pattern matching is AWESOME. |
| 23:49.06 | tene | howso? |
| 23:49.19 | levi | It handles endianness issues automatically, bit fields of arbitrary size, etc. |
| 23:49.32 | levi | And it doesn't read like line noise, as perl's pack/unpack do. |
| 23:51.10 | levi | Here's a pattern to match IPMI command headers: << NetFn:6, LUN:2, Cmd:8 >> |
| 23:51.44 | levi | So you say: << NetFn:6, LUN:2, Cmd:8 >> = some binary stream |
| 23:51.53 | levi | And the variables NetFn, LUN, and Cmd get set properly. |
| 23:53.29 | tene | nice |
| 23:54.06 | levi | AND you can use them in pattern matching clauses, so if you want to match just commands for a certain NetFn, you can do << 12:6, LUN:2, Cmd:8 >>, which only matches binary streams that start with the first 6 bits containing decimal 12. |
| 23:55.02 | levi | You could, of course, use a macro or previously defined variable instead of '12' there. |
| 23:56.31 | levi | This will make tearing apart and assembling binary protocols trivial. |
