| 00:00.27 | levi | It would be nice if I could see dataw0lf talking here and then take a look at all the things he's added to del.icio.us, flickr, etc. without asking him for his identities on each of those servers. |
| 00:00.27 | dataw0lf | not really, because the majority of what runs on the 'internet' will eventually impact internet structure |
| 00:00.33 | dataw0lf | less centralized servers |
| 00:00.41 | elg | servers aren't the internet |
| 00:00.47 | elg | servers are on the internet |
| 00:00.48 | dataw0lf | more of a decoupled environment that's based upon the client connecting, rather than what the client is connecting too |
| 00:01.00 | elg | server issues |
| 00:01.03 | elg | protocol issues |
| 00:01.10 | elg | not internet issues |
| 00:01.12 | dataw0lf | elg: Sure. But servers have become integral with the current structure of what the internet is thought to be |
| 00:01.32 | dataw0lf | s/too/to ^^ |
| 00:01.33 | elg | and my point is that you're propogating the inaccuracy of terminology by going on about the intarnet |
| 00:01.45 | dataw0lf | the internet is a pretty abstract term |
| 00:01.53 | elg | no, not really |
| 00:01.58 | dataw0lf | sure it is |
| 00:02.08 | dataw0lf | just like hacker is a pretty abstract term |
| 00:02.12 | elg | the internet is a bunch of computers connected by IP and routers |
| 00:02.20 | dataw0lf | it doesn't matter what hardcore geeks think of the internet |
| 00:02.23 | levi | It's a fairly precise term that has been applied to scopes it wasn't originally intended for. |
| 00:02.31 | dataw0lf | it's what the vast populace regard the internet has. |
| 00:02.37 | dataw0lf | s/has/as/ |
| 00:02.53 | elg | it doesn't matter what the vast populace regards the internet to be. underneath it is what it is |
| 00:03.06 | dataw0lf | you're just arguing semantics with me. |
| 00:03.16 | dataw0lf | the internet is a collection of computers connected by IP and routers |
| 00:03.18 | beandog_ | then youre both right. |
| 00:03.23 | beandog_ | :) |
| 00:03.27 | dataw0lf | most CLIENT computers connect to centralized servers that host a range of things |
| 00:03.31 | levi | I believe elg would like to see more correct terminology being propagated, rather than having us adopt inaccurate popular usages. |
| 00:03.32 | elg | and if you want to make strides in fundamentally changing the way people use the internet you have to deal on the tech side not the political side |
| 00:03.50 | dataw0lf | elg: what have I been saying? |
| 00:03.59 | elg | many good things, with the wrong words |
| 00:04.04 | dataw0lf | no, I haven't. |
| 00:04.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Are we debating what the internet is or something? |
| 00:04.18 | dataw0lf | the way you approach the internet is to communicate via TCP/IP with... what? |
| 00:04.21 | *** part/#utah beandog_ (n=sdibb@cg.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 00:04.25 | elg | with eachother |
| 00:04.33 | dataw0lf | what's each other? |
| 00:04.39 | elg | which is the thrust of the issue - you want to break away from the traditional webservers, etc. |
| 00:04.52 | dataw0lf | obviously. |
| 00:04.57 | elg | but you don't want to give up the idea that the "internet" _is_ the very thing you want to break away from (the wrong idea, that is) |
| 00:04.57 | dataw0lf | you're arguing semantics |
| 00:05.08 | dataw0lf | which completely obliviates the issue I'm trying to raise |
| 00:05.10 | dataw0lf | you're the politician |
| 00:05.11 | dataw0lf | not me |
| 00:05.29 | Lone_Wanderer | s/obliviates/obviates |
| 00:05.30 | elg | if you want to break away from it, you have to go to something more fundamental, more abstract. if you kill the webserver then what's left? the real internet |
| 00:05.46 | dataw0lf | a webserver is separate from the 'real internet' |
| 00:05.47 | dataw0lf | ? |
| 00:05.48 | elg | on which you can design any protocol or way of connecting people |
| 00:05.49 | dataw0lf | not really. |
| 00:05.53 | elg | a webserver runs on the real internet |
| 00:06.02 | dataw0lf | a webserver is integral to the 'real internet' |
| 00:06.12 | elg | anyway, if you want to sound like a myspacer that's your problem. I've said my piece |
| 00:06.17 | dataw0lf | nice |
| 00:06.20 | dataw0lf | I'm a myspacer |
| 00:06.42 | dataw0lf | I'd say something extremely offensive to counter said ad hominem gesture, but this is #utah after all |
| 00:06.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyway. Why not define what you want and then have elg put it in the proper terminology later? |
| 00:06.52 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: good point. |
| 00:09.14 | Lone_Wanderer | So anyway, DW, what were you saying? Distributed social tagging networks of user-submitted content? |
| 00:09.59 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a lot of buzzwords in a single line |
| 00:10.42 | Lone_Wanderer | ;) |
| 00:10.43 | levi | Web Two Point Oh! |
| 00:14.06 | dataw0lf | dang |
| 00:14.16 | dataw0lf | went out for a smoke and couldn't explain my theory. |
| 00:14.30 | dataw0lf | I'm just saying that modern browsers are old technology |
| 00:14.34 | dataw0lf | and we can do it in a better way |
| 00:14.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I could agree with that |
| 00:14.57 | dataw0lf | especially observing tribal tendencies in people, which is amazingly obvious on the internet. |
| 00:15.03 | dataw0lf | or, the web, rather |
| 00:16.14 | elg | i don't mind the casual usage, really. i only pointed it out because I was trying to be helpful - because the internet is decentralized underneath it makes it easier for us to build some decentralized system on top of it |
| 00:16.45 | tene | I personally have a suspicion that at least part of the pressure against IPv6 is in order to maintain or increase the seperation of "clients" and "servers" |
| 00:17.19 | tene | Keep people fenced off behind a NAT where they can't be an equally contributing member of the internet, they can only access Approved Media Portals, etc. -type ideas. |
| 00:17.24 | elg | hmmm, that's a nice and not unplausible conspiracy theory |
| 00:17.49 | elg | you could also attribute the security paranoia to that too |
| 00:17.51 | tene | I don't know how much I actually *believe* it, but it's a thought that repeatedly comes up. |
| 00:18.12 | elg | didn't that one last a few days? :) |
| 00:18.24 | tene | All of the fun issues NAT brings up when trying to implement voip. |
| 00:18.28 | tene | for example. |
| 00:18.35 | dataw0lf | tene: that's an extremely interesting theory. |
| 00:18.44 | tene | That's done a *lot* to inhibit the growth and deployment of voip systems. |
| 00:18.52 | dataw0lf | I've heard it before at BH, but you put it better than anyone else I've observed. |
| 00:18.55 | levi | tene: Not to mention other P2P systems. |
| 00:19.20 | elg | on the flip side, with the right killer app and marketing |
| 00:19.29 | elg | and handholding |
| 00:19.32 | tene | That's my primary objection to NAT. |
| 00:19.36 | elg | people could be mobilized to demand ipv6 |
| 00:19.47 | tene | I want to be an equal contributing member of the internet. |
| 00:19.54 | dataw0lf | tene: me too. |
| 00:19.57 | elg | exactly |
| 00:20.04 | levi | Although, these days, it seems like the major broadband ISPs are giving out non-NAT ip addresses. |
| 00:20.23 | elg | at least enough of them that we geeks hone in on it |
| 00:20.28 | dataw0lf | my idea, and I have thrown some PoC code out there before regarding it, is that you have a specific 'avatar' or 'site', if you will, reflecting you on the internet. |
| 00:20.36 | tene | levi: and then the people at home get a "router" so that they can use multiple computers without paying extra fees. |
| 00:20.39 | dataw0lf | if you join a community, your box lends support to said community. |
| 00:20.56 | levi | tene: Yes, but that's their choice rather than the ISP forcing it on them. |
| 00:21.09 | tene | An off-the-shelf linksys router is configured to do DHCP and NAT. |
| 00:21.23 | elg | well there's really no alternative |
| 00:21.26 | tene | dropping a big fat one-way valve between them and the internet |
| 00:21.29 | tene | elg: exactly |
| 00:21.30 | dataw0lf | levi: well, that's still enforced by the ISP |
| 00:21.31 | dataw0lf | eine IP |
| 00:21.45 | levi | tene: The default is for an ISP to give you one IP, so that makes sense if you want things to work by default. |
| 00:22.01 | tene | levi: in IPv4 that's the sane default |
| 00:22.15 | dataw0lf | it is NOW, anyways. |
| 00:22.17 | elg | the problem is more IPs cost money and no non-geek in his right mind is going to spring for more IPs when his router can just NAT for him |
| 00:22.27 | elg | which is why we need ipv6 |
| 00:22.32 | tene | elg: exactly my point |
| 00:22.33 | levi | Right, IPv6 would make it sane to hand out as many IP addresses as the user wants. |
| 00:22.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh. Just spring for IPv6 already, I'm sick and tired of NAT routing. |
| 00:22.54 | levi | I'm certainly not arguing against that, but it speaks against the conspiracy theory. |
| 00:22.59 | dataw0lf | I kinda like NAT routing to an extent, personally. |
| 00:23.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Why? |
| 00:23.19 | ScytheBlade1 | What real advantages does it have over plain ol' routing? |
| 00:23.31 | elg | lazy firewall |
| 00:23.36 | dataw0lf | it's forces me to make a DMZ ;) |
| 00:23.39 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:23.41 | dataw0lf | s/it's/it/ |
| 00:23.45 | ScytheBlade1 | And very very little else |
| 00:23.48 | tene | ScytheBlade1: you get the advantage of "port forwarding" |
| 00:23.56 | ScytheBlade1 | tene, people are broken. :) |
| 00:24.15 | dataw0lf | tene: which should be relegated to a true DMZ |
| 00:24.20 | dataw0lf | but I'm too lazy at home |
| 00:24.27 | dataw0lf | NAT it with port forwarding I say! |
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| 00:24.35 | tene | ... |
| 00:24.37 | ScytheBlade1 | imo, in everything that I've seen |
| 00:24.47 | ScytheBlade1 | In the past I don't know, eight years |
| 00:25.00 | ScytheBlade1 | The number of viruses that actively attack my IP addresses is near zero |
| 00:25.16 | ScytheBlade1 | The #1 problem is requested viruses/spyware/malware via HTTP :P |
| 00:25.18 | dataw0lf | viruses don't really 'attack' addresses |
| 00:25.23 | dataw0lf | they attack FROM addresses ;) |
| 00:25.41 | ScytheBlade1 | True |
| 00:26.10 | ScytheBlade1 | But as a whole, the "NAT for security" bit is somewhat flawed, when that's (from what I've seen) never the actual problem in almost any situation |
| 00:26.24 | dataw0lf | well, it's relatively easy to pierce a NAT |
| 00:26.28 | ScytheBlade1 | People drop a router and add NAT and think "firewall" |
| 00:26.31 | dataw0lf | there's nothing really secure about it |
| 00:26.32 | ScytheBlade1 | When.. .. no. |
| 00:26.47 | tene | thinking about it from the other side, if the hyperglobalmegacorps were able to have whatever they wanted, what would it look like? |
| 00:26.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Depends on what they want. |
| 00:27.01 | dataw0lf | tene: SOYLENT GREEN! |
| 00:27.03 | tene | IME, it would look a lot like everyone stuck behind a NAT |
| 00:27.04 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 00:27.09 | dataw0lf | tene: yea, true |
| 00:27.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably, yeah |
| 00:27.28 | tene | no sharing. no peer-to-peer interaction at all. |
| 00:27.34 | dataw0lf | well |
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| 00:27.40 | dataw0lf | we'll always find ways to do so |
| 00:27.41 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 00:27.43 | ScytheBlade1 | But I am really, really sick of port forwarding and NAT translation issues |
| 00:27.55 | dataw0lf | I'm not really worried about the globalization of the internet |
| 00:28.03 | dataw0lf | or, rather, the hegemonization |
| 00:28.04 | tene | And the main reasoning for NAT that I see most everyone using is "IPv4" |
| 00:28.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, that'd be it |
| 00:28.16 | dataw0lf | because it isn't like reality at all, if I want to get somewhere, I'll get there. |
| 00:28.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Though, IPv6 also has NAT. |
| 00:28.31 | dataw0lf | ScytheBlade1: yea, but it's not really _needed_ |
| 00:28.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Not at all |
| 00:28.38 | tene | so if I were a hyperglobalmegacorp, I'd push as hard as I couldn't against IPv6 |
| 00:28.41 | dataw0lf | which most major players will realize extremely quickly |
| 00:29.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I only mention it beacuse you KNOW that the average home router will just deploy NAT + IPv6 |
| 00:29.06 | dataw0lf | the thing, though, is, that how many major players will still rely on proxy routing systems after full IPv6 adoptioN? |
| 00:29.10 | dataw0lf | probably a lot |
| 00:29.22 | tene | Maybe. |
| 00:29.30 | dataw0lf | I think it's a pretty good chance |
| 00:29.37 | tene | We won't know until we try. ;) |
| 00:29.43 | dataw0lf | true enough. |
| 00:29.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I would if I could. |
| 00:30.01 | tene | Even then, though, it's one less barrier. |
| 00:30.12 | tene | It's moving back towards openness. |
| 00:30.15 | dataw0lf | and how will ISPs distribute IPv6 addresses? |
| 00:30.31 | tene | dataw0lf: I'm not qualified to answer that question in detail. |
| 00:30.34 | ScytheBlade1 | From what I've heard, similar to how ARIN works, but not ARIN |
| 00:30.43 | dataw0lf | I think that ISP net admins have been so trained to be frugal with their address space that it may have a negative consequence |
| 00:30.49 | ScytheBlade1 | But I could very likely be wrong |
| 00:30.49 | tene | There are good answers. I just don't have them immediately and accurately available. |
| 00:30.56 | dataw0lf | I hear ya |
| 00:31.04 | dataw0lf | I'm headed home, talk to you guys in 30 minutes. |
| 00:31.43 | tene | each client gets a pretty big subnet, as I recall. |
| 00:31.54 | Lone_Wanderer | If I were a supermegaglobalcorp, the Internet would be a way for me to separate customers from their dollars as efficiently as possible. |
| 00:31.57 | tene | It's a pretty sane hierarchal system |
| 00:32.03 | ScytheBlade1 | The current recommended is a massive subnet, just plain MASSIVE |
| 00:32.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ... compared to IPv4 |
| 00:32.09 | Lone_Wanderer | With as little choice on the customer's part as possible. |
| 00:32.34 | Lone_Wanderer | I'd just own the 'net outright, and anything I didn't agree with would never see the light of day. Every page would advertise my products. Every review would say that I'm great. |
| 00:33.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Every transaction would give me 2% and every page load would give me 2 cents. |
| 00:33.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Also, I'd have the 'net in schools. Grade schools. Kindergarten if we could swing it. We'd have ads targeted at the kids, worked into the curriculum. |
| 00:33.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I just want multiple IP addresses without paying double my current amount |
| 00:34.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Which will probably never happen, but I can hope |
| 00:34.42 | Lone_Wanderer | "Uncle Jingle has two hamburgers and the Hamburgler steals one, how many does he have now?" "Uncle Jingle is sad that he only has one, so he buys two more from the nearest JingleBurger. How many does he have now?" |
| 00:34.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:34.58 | tene | ScytheBlade1: the last time I checked, comcast offered something like 5 additional IP addresses for $5/mo |
| 00:35.21 | ScytheBlade1 | There's a concept: dynamic school material, filled with ads |
| 00:35.24 | ScytheBlade1 | tene, really? hmm |
| 00:35.37 | Lone_Wanderer | And when they get enough right, they'd get to play a game full of product placement for a few minutes. |
| 00:36.35 | Sargun | I offer IPs for free. |
| 00:37.01 | tene | Sargun: I'll take 50 |
| 00:37.02 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't get them all for free though |
| 00:37.17 | Sargun | tene, Ok, do you have a system? |
| 00:37.37 | Lone_Wanderer | ScytheBlade1: Jennifer Government deals with that idea. People's last names are the company they work for. Joe McDonalds, etc. |
| 00:37.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Lone_Wanderer, blah, make me want to read the book |
| 00:38.08 | Lone_Wanderer | (And no, Jennifer Government is not like the book with the Deliverator in it whose name I can't remember. Not at all. And it's not nearly as good either.) |
| 00:38.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Snow Crash. |
| 00:39.04 | tene | Sargun: I have plenty of systems. |
| 00:39.15 | tene | Sargun: I'm going to send spam through these IPs, is that okay with you? |
| 00:39.30 | ScytheBlade1 | You know, that's another thing that needs to die |
| 00:39.33 | ScytheBlade1 | SMTP |
| 00:39.33 | levi | Woo, Snow Crash. :) |
| 00:39.50 | Sargun | No. |
| 00:41.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Die a horrible, swift death |
| 00:41.45 | Lone_Wanderer | levi: have you read Jennifer Government? |
| 00:41.51 | levi | Nope. |
| 00:42.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Don't bother. It's mildly entertaining. My reason for asking, though, is that someone may try to tell you, given a brief description of Snow Crash, that it's similiar to Jennifer Government. |
| 00:42.26 | Lone_Wanderer | It's not. |
| 00:42.42 | Lone_Wanderer | S.C. is much, much better. |
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| 00:55.05 | goozbach | should greylisted emails get bounces? |
| 00:55.51 | Lone_Wanderer | we're currently GMT-7, right? |
| 00:59.17 | tene | goozbach: no |
| 00:59.41 | tene | goozbach: greylisted == 'server says send again in 30 minutes' |
| 00:59.53 | tene | the sending mail server will hold the message for 30 minutes and then send it again |
| 01:02.23 | goozbach | I wonder why I'm getting: Remote SMTP Server Returned: 450 <Frans@UberOps.com>: Recipient address rejected: Greylisted for 5 minutes |
| 01:03.21 | tene | maybe a broken implementation of greylisting |
| 01:05.40 | goozbach | it appears so |
| 01:07.08 | mheath | Hmm |
| 01:07.15 | mheath | Someone want to /lastlog mheath for me? |
| 01:07.26 | mheath | goozbach, Get my check yet? |
| 01:08.13 | mheath | My homework took considerably less time than I thought it would take :) |
| 01:10.10 | mheath | tene, Yes, I run X-Chat. |
| 01:10.19 | tene | mheath: I know. |
| 01:10.25 | tene | I was just curious |
| 01:10.27 | mheath | I know you know. |
| 01:10.28 | mheath | :) |
| 01:10.50 | mheath | I still don't know why I keep having stupid problems with math |
| 01:11.04 | mheath | I'll get hung up on some problem because I'll make some stupid mistake that I just can't see |
| 01:11.27 | mheath | I'll do the rest of the assignment no problem, including problems that are _harder_, but one or two stupid problems will give me trouble. |
| 01:11.51 | mheath | I'm getting too dependent on the calculator. |
| 01:13.14 | goozbach | mheath: not today |
| 01:57.40 | levi | Time for school. |
| 02:00.31 | Sargun | bye! |
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| 03:00.02 | elg | anyone familiar with the myriad vista versions here to tell me if "Vista Business" is cool enough to bother getting for free? |
| 03:01.23 | Sargun | Sure. |
| 03:01.27 | Sargun | Donate it to me |
| 03:01.38 | elg | go to college and get it yourself. ;-) |
| 03:01.54 | elg | microsoft has this MSDNAA program with a lot fo computer science departments |
| 03:01.55 | Sargun | I think that's the one that crashes every three reboots, and will cause you to loose all your data. |
| 03:02.12 | elg | i thought that was a feature of all versions :) |
| 03:04.11 | QBFreak | elg: it might not have the shininess of home, but I honestly can't recall |
| 03:04.19 | QBFreak | I do believe it can do domains etc though |
| 03:04.26 | elg | i dono't want shininess |
| 03:04.31 | elg | i want network non-crippliness |
| 03:05.07 | QBFreak | although my boss says the business isn't quite as stable as home, I think thats more of an issue where home is preinstalled by a laptop mfgr and business was installed himself |
| 03:06.33 | elg | looks like vista business is aimed at soho |
| 03:06.50 | elg | vs. enterprise which is aimed at large corp. installs |
| 03:06.52 | tene | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=15.298683+19.429651&layer=&ie=UTF8&z=23&ll=15.298684,19.429651&spn=0.001291,0.002698&t=k&om=1&iwloc=addr |
| 03:08.27 | elg | lol. what's up with that? |
| 03:08.44 | tene | a camel |
| 03:08.46 | tene | is up with that |
| 03:08.58 | elg | why is just that little area zoomed in to camels? |
| 03:09.59 | tene | because... that's the interesting part? |
| 03:10.15 | tene | should I instead post a link to a little area zoomed to pointless green blob? |
| 03:11.05 | elg | no I like it |
| 03:11.24 | elg | i'm just curious why google maps has that little spot at such hig res |
| 03:12.34 | Newsome | maybe it's Barack Obama Bin Laden's camel |
| 03:15.49 | Newsome | darn, it can't calculate driving directions from my house to that camel |
| 03:16.18 | elg | heh |
| 03:16.33 | elg | question 2 is whether I can expect to be able to install vista business in vmware |
| 03:21.00 | elg | looks like it should |
| 03:26.55 | elg | oh for crying out loud |
| 03:27.29 | elg | to download the vista DVD you download and run a windows executable |
| 03:31.33 | elg | would it be so hard to provide an iso download? |
| 03:33.50 | Newsome | iso? aren't those used by hackers and pirates? |
| 03:34.10 | QBFreak | them and that irc thing |
| 03:35.12 | QBFreak | I'm not so sure that google maps bit was from a sat, all the men are looking up at it |
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| 03:37.38 | elg | great. it's going to take a dual-layer DVD to burn this thing |
| 03:37.46 | elg | they could have told me that before I chose DVD |
| 03:37.59 | elg | at least I have a dual-layer burner. I just have to find some media |
| 03:38.04 | bonez41 | whatcha burnin' Hans? |
| 03:38.27 | elg | vista business |
| 03:38.38 | elg | free through the university. |
| 03:38.54 | elg | might as well give it a test drive |
| 03:39.02 | bonez41 | ah.....takes both layers of a DVD....bloat bloat.....bloat..... |
| 03:39.12 | elg | :) |
| 03:39.13 | bonez41 | I would too if I had access to it |
| 03:39.43 | elg | i am also getting a new hard drive so for at least a little while I'll have the disk space for a vista virtual machine :) |
| 03:40.11 | QBFreak | I also loaded up on software while my school let me :) |
| 03:40.15 | bonez41 | what do you run as your virtual machine? vmware, win4lin? something else? |
| 03:44.18 | elg | vmware |
| 04:05.51 | elg | cisco, buffalo, sipura, gwythaint, falcon, sauron, (gandalf). These are the names of things in my network. |
| 04:06.00 | elg | why can't I stick with one theme? the world will never know |
| 04:23.58 | maquis | elg: that's an eclectic collection |
| 04:47.39 | rsimpkins | what could be creating short password hashes in shadow? |
| 04:47.41 | rsimpkins | user:ekoGhnlZhCQ/k:12035:0:99999:7::: |
| 04:51.46 | Sargun | your using an old version of shadow? |
| 04:53.13 | rsimpkins | Sargun: It is a legacy system. |
| 04:56.02 | atoponce | what's a good linux tool for monitory disk io via the command line? |
| 04:56.21 | atoponce | mainly, i'm just curious in finding the culprit that is wanting so much access |
| 04:56.50 | rsimpkins | atoponce: iostat is the only tool I know of, until the new 'dtrace' like stuff is out. |
| 04:57.02 | rsimpkins | Or you compile it in to your kernel any way. |
| 04:57.28 | rsimpkins | usually you can top, get a good idea who it is, and strace to know for sure. |
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| 04:58.36 | atoponce | hmmm. i don't have iostat in the repos |
| 04:58.53 | atoponce | top isn't being helpful. i guess i can look at strace |
| 04:59.52 | rsimpkins | atoponce: what distro? |
| 05:00.01 | atoponce | ubuntu dapper |
| 05:00.10 | rsimpkins | atoponce: iostat is available, I promise |
| 05:00.24 | atoponce | what's the package name? i can't find it |
| 05:00.28 | rsimpkins | sysstat |
| 05:00.53 | atoponce | ahh |
| 05:00.56 | atoponce | that would be why |
| 05:00.57 | atoponce | :) |
| 05:04.29 | atoponce | and with iostat, how can i find the offending pid? |
| 05:04.35 | atoponce | if possible |
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| 05:58.35 | findlay | hello |
| 05:58.46 | findlay | hello sargy |
| 06:12.05 | levi_home | Good evening. |
| 06:15.59 | thesuperbigfrog | ~onjoin maquis there is beauty all around . . . |
| 06:15.59 | ibot | ok, thesuperbigfrog |
| 06:18.07 | levi_home | Heh, how sweet. ;) |
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| 13:18.29 | graphyx | morning |
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| 13:57.12 | herlo | graphyx: morning |
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| 14:00.41 | graphyx | -chat about so strong |
| 14:00.41 | brac | so strong |
| 14:00.53 | graphyx | -chat about ibot is |
| 14:00.53 | brac | ibot is also a redhead. (From a bottle.) |
| 14:01.13 | graphyx | -chat about ibot is |
| 14:01.15 | brac | ibot is a very nice little lecture about how evil |
| 14:01.19 | graphyx | -chat about brac is |
| 14:01.19 | brac | brac is also for horses. |
| 14:01.46 | graphyx | -chat about I am |
| 14:01.46 | brac | I am still looking for interested people. |
| 14:01.59 | graphyx | -chat about I am |
| 14:01.59 | brac | I am fairly certian it wasn't, but there isn't a kioslave for gmailfs |
| 14:02.13 | graphyx | -chat about I was |
| 14:02.13 | brac | I was asked if I trusted the actiontec |
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| 14:43.13 | spr | redbeard1: I noticed you DN picture was from the UUG meeting |
| 14:46.25 | redbeard1 | spr: yeah, it was the best one i had |
| 14:47.36 | redbeard1 | i hope you don't mind |
| 14:50.46 | elg | i hope he does |
| 15:06.19 | spr | I thought it was cool |
| 15:07.29 | spr | Did anyone else see the editor of Make on the Colbert Report the other night? |
| 15:07.46 | spr | I just watched it, and kept thinking: "He's just like Garth from Wayne's World" |
| 15:07.47 | elg | what's the Colbert report? |
| 15:07.52 | elg | hehe |
| 15:09.31 | dataw0lf | elg: basically, a scathing parody of the O'Reilly Factor on comedy central. |
| 15:09.54 | dataw0lf | awesomest show ever |
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| 15:10.20 | redbeard1 | oh man. that was a good episode. |
| 15:10.29 | spr | Yeah it was |
| 15:11.06 | redbeard1 | i tivod it |
| 15:11.10 | redbeard1 | tivoed? |
| 15:11.12 | redbeard1 | hmm. |
| 15:11.27 | spr | I myth'd it. |
| 15:11.38 | redbeard1 | awesome |
| 15:12.13 | bmidgley_ | elg: colbert report rocks but i'm out of town and missed that |
| 15:13.27 | dataw0lf | colbertnation.com is my homepage |
| 15:13.33 | dataw0lf | I like the 'get-it-o-meter' |
| 15:14.07 | dataw0lf | did anyone see Lucas's entry in the green screen challenge? |
| 15:14.30 | redbeard1 | yeah, i did |
| 15:14.32 | redbeard1 | that was awesome |
| 15:14.36 | dataw0lf | hehe |
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| 15:16.02 | dataw0lf | http://www.colboard.com/cn/user-images/vid/ftp/george%20l.mov |
| 15:16.46 | dataw0lf | http://www.colbertnation.com/cn/letter-from-stephen.php |
| 15:16.56 | spr | That was a great episode |
| 15:17.03 | dataw0lf | ya it was |
| 15:17.14 | brac | [The Colbert Nation - Letter-from-stephen] |
| 15:18.15 | dataw0lf | the Rock and Awe: Countdown to Guitarmageddon one was awesome too |
| 15:19.12 | tensai | graphyx: it worked it worked it worked! |
| 15:19.22 | elg | what worked? |
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| 15:19.37 | tensai | I fixed my garage door |
| 15:22.09 | tensai | the last problem was that I had neglected to reattach the sensor terminals inside the opener |
| 15:24.26 | elg | sweet |
| 15:25.47 | elg | wow, gonna get up to 80 today |
| 15:26.30 | tensai | oh, but you're in new mexico. that's half way to hell, isn't it? |
| 15:26.59 | dataw0lf | I dunno, where exactly is Juarez in relation to new mexico? |
| 15:27.08 | elg | actually, it's past hell. hell is las vegas |
| 15:27.12 | elg | it gets hotter there |
| 15:27.22 | dataw0lf | lot of sinners too |
| 15:27.25 | elg | juarez is about 45 minutes from here |
| 15:27.33 | elg | juarez is another candidate |
| 15:27.41 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 15:27.43 | dataw0lf | las vegas may be hot |
| 15:27.54 | dataw0lf | but 20% of juarez is on fire at any given time |
| 15:27.59 | elg | hehe |
| 15:28.02 | dataw0lf | or at least various cars scattered around the city |
| 15:33.18 | graphyx | tensai: Your garage door? |
| 15:33.42 | tensai | graphyx: yup. it's all openy and closey now. |
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| 15:33.55 | tensai | ~graphyx++ |
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| 15:34.04 | goozbach | "openy" and "closey"? |
| 15:34.05 | graphyx | Was it just the height widget? |
| 15:34.14 | goozbach | are those the techinal terms? |
| 15:34.28 | elg | absolutely |
| 15:34.32 | graphyx | of course |
| 15:34.34 | tensai | graphyx: now. it was that I hadn't attached the sensors to the main board. |
| 15:34.38 | tensai | s/now/no/ |
| 15:34.43 | elg | cap'n america is dead |
| 15:34.52 | elg | still waiting on word about cap'n crunch |
| 15:34.56 | graphyx | -chat about technical terms |
| 15:34.56 | brac | technical terms |
| 15:35.08 | graphyx | ah |
| 15:35.14 | graphyx | The object sensors |
| 15:35.24 | graphyx | good for you to get that figured out |
| 15:35.32 | tensai | right. they were attached to the outside, but there's a little plug inside that I missed. |
| 15:35.52 | tensai | knowing I could take the cover off while the unit is attached helped out there |
| 15:35.57 | graphyx | I bet |
| 15:36.35 | tensai | I had to reattach the chain because it was too far down for the up sensor. but that part was easy, just a little greasy. |
| 15:36.48 | graphyx | ok |
| 15:37.14 | tensai | it's much quieter than before, partially because the chain was way too loose |
| 15:37.25 | graphyx | dragging? |
| 15:37.54 | tensai | it must have been. I didn't really pay it much attention until I saw how the manual said to do it. |
| 15:38.06 | goozbach | probably a little bit of slip in the sprockets |
| 15:38.32 | tensai | yeah, probably some of that too |
| 15:38.59 | tensai | there was powder all over the inside of the opener. residue from the worn down gears. |
| 15:39.09 | graphyx | that is normal |
| 15:39.16 | graphyx | even on almost new systems |
| 15:39.24 | graphyx | at least a little bit |
| 15:39.26 | elg | is it antigrease? |
| 15:39.49 | graphyx | YOU READ THE MANUAL???? |
| 15:39.51 | graphyx | what? |
| 15:40.11 | graphyx | revoke his geek card now!! |
| 15:40.29 | elg | only the geekiest read the manual |
| 15:43.18 | tensai | I read manuals from things I don't even own |
| 15:44.44 | dataw0lf | I have a compulsion to read manuals of all types |
| 15:45.08 | goozbach | the real question is has he read "The Bat Book" by O'Riley? |
| 15:45.26 | goozbach | if so, I'd give him back his geek card |
| 15:50.33 | dataw0lf | http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_5383430 |
| 15:50.35 | dataw0lf | wow |
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| 16:06.40 | graphyx | wow |
| 16:06.47 | graphyx | I mean I like the outtakes at times |
| 16:06.53 | graphyx | But this one takes the cake |
| 16:14.51 | goozbach | GAAA!!! I'm writing vbscripts to automate my tasks in windows!!! |
| 16:14.57 | goozbach | somebody help me!!!! |
| 16:15.03 | goozbach | ibot: kill me |
| 16:15.05 | ibot | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized fluxmeson gun at goozbach |
| 16:15.18 | goozbach | ohh toasty! |
| 16:16.18 | dataw0lf | http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c142/buck27/phone.jpg NWS for one bad word on bottom of image (b*) |
| 16:18.10 | Jayce^ | that's awesome |
| 16:18.12 | ^Migs^ | I think that's still WS |
| 16:18.21 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 16:18.28 | dataw0lf | alright, just tryin' to be careful |
| 16:19.09 | JoshH | i should do that with my rent check |
| 16:21.48 | sanzo | I just printed that for my cube wall........does that count as counterfitting? |
| 16:22.31 | redbeard1 | i just realized... that's the same guy that draws xkcd, isn't it? |
| 16:22.37 | goozbach | redbeard1: yup |
| 16:22.51 | goozbach | that check is on his blag |
| 16:22.59 | goozbach | along with a lenghty post about it |
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| 16:42.48 | levi | Morning. |
| 16:43.03 | levi | elg: You ever get that chained processes problem solved? |
| 16:43.18 | elg | no, haven't spent a lot of time on it since we talked |
| 16:43.21 | elg | still baffling me |
| 16:43.44 | elg | want to play with it at lunch? |
| 16:43.51 | levi | Sure. |
| 16:43.57 | levi | I worked on it a bit during class last night. |
| 16:44.13 | elg | cool |
| 16:44.27 | elg | i've gotta finish reading a paper and meet with my advisor before lunch |
| 16:44.30 | levi | It was that, or pay attention to how to do call stack manipulation in assembly language. ;) |
| 16:44.55 | elg | shudder |
| 16:44.56 | elg | :) |
| 16:46.11 | levi | I think I tried spawning too many processes.... |
| 16:53.18 | elg | that's always fun :0 |
| 16:59.10 | levi | Yeah, my laptop has been pretty much unresponsive for the last half hour or so. |
| 16:59.37 | levi | The mouse pointer interrupt must be pretty high-priority, though, since it still moves around. |
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| 17:01.08 | elg | did you up the number of processes it can make? |
| 17:01.18 | levi | Yup. |
| 17:01.23 | elg | i see :) |
| 17:01.48 | harleypig | http://eeuauaughhhuauaahh.ytmnd.com/ |
| 17:01.48 | brac | [Arnold shares his deepest feelings] |
| 17:01.49 | harleypig | sfw |
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| 17:16.03 | maquis | 500$ remote control with touchscreen display... wonder how hackable it is |
| 17:16.47 | beandog | just get a 4-in-all programmable remote for $20 |
| 17:16.51 | beandog | control 8 devices with it. |
| 17:20.53 | findlay | heh, real geeks use their HP calc for a uni remote! |
| 17:21.18 | spr | wow, I finally got a nice, helpful person at sharp service. |
| 17:21.28 | levi | Except then you have to stand right next to the devices you want to control. |
| 17:22.10 | findlay | levi: I understand they only put that restriction on the 48g+ and later, not the 48g, but I could be wrong |
| 17:22.40 | levi | I think mine's a 48g, and I never had much luck with it as a remote. |
| 17:23.17 | Jayce^ | yeah, I've got a gx, and the range is horrid |
| 17:38.37 | harleypig | My god ... it's full of tarts! |
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| 17:44.16 | scottjad | is the standard behavior for email clients when replying to a message that has attachments to leave the attachments in the message? |
| 17:44.59 | findlay | doesn't seem reasonable |
| 17:45.08 | findlay | only for brain dead clients |
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| 17:52.15 | scottjad | seems to be the behavior of thunderbird |
| 17:54.46 | scottjad | or, actually it is smart about not leaving in attachments if it is the first client to reply, but if another client replying leaves in the attachment then thunderbird will leave it in when it replies to that message |
| 17:56.16 | findlay | anybody know how to remove a layer from an image with imagemagick? |
| 17:56.35 | findlay | I know there's a way, I just don't know what it's called |
| 17:58.19 | dataw0lf | +delete ? |
| 17:58.23 | findlay | I guess undef $image->[x]; works for perlmagick |
| 17:59.19 | findlay | dataw0lf: you're right too, thanks :) |
| 18:00.07 | graphyx | delete probably calls undef |
| 18:00.44 | graphyx | more pdf woes |
| 18:00.47 | graphyx | http://www.gnucitizen.org/projects/pdf-strikes-back/poc.htm |
| 18:01.01 | graphyx | Current version is vuln. |
| 18:01.07 | brac | [PDF Strikes Back] |
| 18:01.16 | graphyx | -about time! |
| 18:01.34 | graphyx | -chat about chat about |
| 18:01.34 | brac | chat about something like del.icio.us but where I can... just a GUI using an adjective like that that page |
| 18:02.08 | findlay | -chat about about chat |
| 18:02.08 | brac | about chat |
| 18:02.15 | findlay | -chat about about chat- |
| 18:02.15 | brac | about chat- |
| 18:03.08 | graphyx | -chat about palindromes are |
| 18:03.08 | brac | palindromes are |
| 18:03.44 | graphyx | -chat about findlay is |
| 18:03.45 | brac | findlay is listening to the "use perl instead" statement from before they had the experience of a really nice filter set, that works really well |
| 18:04.39 | findlay | no kidding |
| 18:04.52 | maquis | lol |
| 18:04.56 | maquis | -chat about maquis is |
| 18:04.57 | brac | maquis is scary! |
| 18:05.01 | findlay | hehe |
| 18:05.04 | maquis | lol!!! |
| 18:05.22 | graphyx | I wonder if elg hard coded that one |
| 18:09.15 | findlay | -chat about hard coded |
| 18:09.15 | brac | hard coded it to phishing sites |
| 18:09.33 | graphyx | -chat about elg hardcoded |
| 18:09.34 | brac | elg hardcoded |
| 18:09.52 | graphyx | -chat about elg did |
| 18:09.52 | brac | elg did |
| 18:10.00 | graphyx | -chat about I confess |
| 18:10.00 | brac | I confess I enjoy classical music, either. |
| 18:11.37 | findlay | heh |
| 18:12.15 | graphyx | -chat about random stuff |
| 18:12.15 | brac | random stuff I read on the satalitte dish causing a powersurge which popped one of the files? |
| 18:12.34 | graphyx | that would work |
| 18:12.40 | brac | that would mean it's fake, though |
| 18:13.21 | levi | -chat about levi is |
| 18:13.21 | brac | levi is that C lets you do |
| 18:13.28 | levi | Heh. |
| 18:27.15 | findlay | drat, where is elg when I need him |
| 18:27.24 | findlay | ~invoke el |
| 18:27.26 | findlay | ~invoke elg |
| 18:27.31 | beandog | ~summon elg |
| 18:27.33 | ibot | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing elg's coordinates |
| 18:27.46 | findlay | ~seen elg |
| 18:28.07 | ibot | elg <n=fugalh@216.31.27.110> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 1h 26m 44s ago, saying: 'i see :)'. |
| 18:28.08 | levi | findlay: He should be back before too long. |
| 18:28.15 | levi | findlay: He said he had to finish a paper and meet with his advisor before lunch. |
| 18:35.27 | harleypig | So. 300 is coming out tomorrow. Anyone up for a long lunch? |
| 18:35.36 | levi | What is 300? |
| 18:35.44 | graphyx | 200 + 100 |
| 18:35.51 | graphyx | next question |
| 18:36.11 | levi | '200 + 100' is not exactly a reason to take a long lunch. |
| 18:36.13 | harleypig | movie adaptation of frank millers graphic novel of the battle of thermopylae |
| 18:36.24 | harleypig | http://300themovie.warnerbros.com/ |
| 18:36.24 | brac | [300] |
| 18:36.27 | dataw0lf | harleybig: I'm going to SF to see it on Imax this weekend :) |
| 18:36.49 | Newsome | historically inaccurate |
| 18:36.53 | harleypig | san fran or spanish fork. |
| 18:36.57 | dataw0lf | san fran |
| 18:36.57 | harleypig | Newsome: Yeah, so? |
| 18:37.06 | dataw0lf | It's not about being historically accurate |
| 18:37.12 | dataw0lf | it's about kicking a** and taking names |
| 18:37.18 | harleypig | and chewing bubblegum |
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| 18:37.44 | Newsome | then why claim it's about the Battle of Thermopylae? |
| 18:37.44 | dataw0lf | BUT THE SPARTANS ARE ALL OUTTA BUBBLEGUM, SON! |
| 18:37.46 | harleypig | elg: You missed a spot. |
| 18:37.46 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 18:38.17 | dataw0lf | Newsome: uhhhh, for coolness factor? |
| 18:38.22 | harleypig | Newsome: Because as inaccurate as it is, it is about the battle of thermopylae |
| 18:38.25 | Newsome | oh, that :) |
| 18:38.39 | dataw0lf | the fact remains that the Spartans, with some help from allies, destroyed a much larger force than themselves. |
| 18:38.51 | dataw0lf | which is cool |
| 18:39.00 | dataw0lf | but can get a whoooooooooole lot cooler when Miller takes the reins |
| 18:39.20 | elg | the beer company? |
| 18:39.22 | levi | elg: I believe I've got the ring of processes worked out. |
| 18:49.44 | harleypig | So. Long lunch tomorrow? |
| 18:50.02 | elg | are we going to debate the evolution of computers? |
| 18:51.02 | harleypig | meh ... we're gonna watch a bunch of people kill each other graphically on a giant screen |
| 18:51.22 | harleypig | and yell cliches like "TONIGHT W DINE IN HELL!" |
| 18:51.30 | harleypig | s/W/WE/ |
| 18:54.37 | dataw0lf | I like the preview when he kicks Xerxes in the chest. |
| 18:55.04 | dataw0lf | Madness??? This is SPARTA! |
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| 19:03.24 | Jayce^ | you hear about the first press meetings they were doing? First questions the press had was 'What political statement are you trying to make with this movie?' |
| 19:03.47 | QBFreak | I have a motherboard with bad IDE controllers, I ordered a PCI IDE card but I can't get the board to boot it |
| 19:04.10 | QBFreak | anyone know if its the BIOS or card that has to support booting? |
| 19:04.53 | Jayce^ | oftentimes your bios will need to know/be able to know the card can boot.. |
| 19:05.38 | QBFreak | I couldn't find anything |
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| 19:19.30 | macnewbold | QBFreak: they probably both have to support it. not all mobos can boot from a PCI device, but I think most new ones can. some can at least do a network boot using a pci network card. |
| 19:23.46 | goozbach | so VBscript isn't so bad |
| 19:24.42 | macnewbold | ??? |
| 19:24.46 | macnewbold | pineapple? |
| 19:26.28 | beandog | ~asplode goozbach |
| 19:26.30 | ibot | goozbach head asplode, k thx |
| 19:27.58 | macnewbold | hehe, that's the fun news |
| 19:28.06 | macnewbold | but they usually end up blaming you anyway |
| 19:30.23 | macnewbold | levi, you around? |
| 19:30.33 | levi | Yes. |
| 19:30.43 | macnewbold | have you been to the big city soup location on UofU campus? |
| 19:30.50 | macnewbold | I believe the moran eye center? |
| 19:31.10 | macnewbold | I'm considering going today, but wondering if there's any decent places to park |
| 19:32.43 | levi | macnewbold: I haven't been to that one, no. I've been to the Moran Eye Center, though. |
| 19:33.08 | macnewbold | hm |
| 19:33.16 | macnewbold | did you see any soup delis? |
| 19:33.22 | levi | It was a long time ago. |
| 19:33.25 | macnewbold | hm |
| 19:33.25 | macnewbold | okay |
| 19:33.33 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: I've been |
| 19:33.39 | macnewbold | sweet, dw |
| 19:33.42 | macnewbold | what can you tell me |
| 19:34.52 | dataw0lf | I think there may be some parking on the northwest side of the golf course |
| 19:34.59 | dataw0lf | Primrose Dr? |
| 19:35.01 | dataw0lf | something like that |
| 19:35.29 | dataw0lf | dang I miss Big City soup though :( |
| 19:36.02 | findlay | elg: how can I deal with file names with spaces in them in a `for i in $(ls *files*) ; do stuff --to $file ; done` loop? |
| 19:36.03 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 19:36.04 | dataw0lf | half lobster bisque, half tomato basil, it's awesome |
| 19:36.33 | levi | Mmmmm. |
| 19:36.46 | macnewbold | so for the eye center, is it up north campus drive past the hospital and by the huntsman cancer institute, or somewhere else? |
| 19:36.48 | dataw0lf | then get their turkey and avocado wrap to dip into it |
| 19:37.41 | levi | IIRC, it is by there. |
| 19:37.46 | macnewbold | cool |
| 19:37.59 | vontrapp | findlay: ... do stuff to "$file" ... |
| 19:38.01 | levi | As I said, though, it's been a long time. |
| 19:38.01 | dataw0lf | yea, if you go up n campus, you'll pass the golf course and children's center on your right |
| 19:38.18 | findlay | vontrapp: doesn't work |
| 19:38.20 | macnewbold | sweet |
| 19:38.21 | dataw0lf | and it's right where n campus transforms into n medical, I think |
| 19:38.25 | vontrapp | findlay: are you sure? |
| 19:38.32 | vontrapp | what exactly is do stuff |
| 19:38.37 | vontrapp | that can matter in some cases |
| 19:38.42 | findlay | because the $(ls *files*) block splits on spaces |
| 19:38.47 | levi | findlay: You can change $IFS to not include a space. |
| 19:38.56 | levi | There's a better way, but I don't remember it. |
| 19:38.58 | vontrapp | oh, well then you need to not split on spaces |
| 19:39.10 | findlay | levi: yeah, me to, but elg does :) |
| 19:39.11 | vontrapp | maybe `ls *files` instead |
| 19:39.30 | vontrapp | s/*files/*files*/ |
| 19:39.33 | findlay | $() and `` are semantically identical |
| 19:39.50 | dataw0lf | I'm actually drooling now, macnewbold |
| 19:39.52 | dataw0lf | THANKS! |
| 19:39.53 | vontrapp | is there a reason you need ls? |
| 19:39.55 | findlay | ask sjansen for more information |
| 19:40.00 | vontrapp | maybe for $file in *files* |
| 19:40.09 | findlay | vontrapp: in the specific case I'm using a find statement |
| 19:40.10 | vontrapp | i know for a fact that doesn's split the files |
| 19:40.11 | macnewbold | thanks levi and dataw0lf... I think I'm going to go give it a try |
| 19:40.36 | findlay | $(find . -name "*.psd") |
| 19:40.47 | findlay | so I need paths too |
| 19:41.00 | vontrapp | interesting, i've use `find ..` before and not had problems |
| 19:41.05 | vontrapp | then again i might not have had spaces |
| 19:42.37 | vontrapp | there's the | read version |
| 19:42.43 | sjansen | find . -name '*.mp3' | while read OLD; do NEW="$(echo $OLD | tr 'A-Z ' a-z_)"; mv "$OLD" "$NEW"; done |
| 19:42.50 | findlay | that's it |
| 19:42.56 | findlay | while read |
| 19:42.59 | vontrapp | find . -name *.psd | while read $file; do stuff --to "$file"; done |
| 19:43.12 | sjansen | ~slap vontrapp for being sloppy |
| 19:43.14 | ibot | ACTION slaps vontrapp for being sloppy, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 19:43.33 | sjansen | find . -name '*.psd' | while read FILE; do stuff --to "$FILE"; done |
| 19:43.41 | findlay | heh |
| 19:43.47 | vontrapp | what, my lowercase file is sloppy? |
| 19:44.09 | findlay | sjansen: why is there a UPPERCASE convention for shell variables? |
| 19:44.14 | sjansen | Your lack of single quotes around the glob and your addition of a $ to the read. |
| 19:44.32 | findlay | hm |
| 19:44.33 | vontrapp | oops |
| 19:44.37 | vontrapp | :/ |
| 19:45.31 | findlay | but if you didn't have quotes (single quotes) around the -name glob you could just as well escape special characters from the shell: \*.psd |
| 19:48.34 | tristanbob | anyone using Windows Vista on a WPA network? |
| 19:48.53 | findlay | how do you subscript a shell variable to strip the filename extension? |
| 19:49.02 | findlay | tristanbob: what's WPA? |
| 19:50.21 | beandog | wireless security thingie |
| 19:50.32 | dataw0lf | wifi protected access |
| 19:50.36 | findlay | that's WST |
| 19:53.27 | vontrapp | wpa is wifi encryption |
| 19:53.37 | vontrapp | might be something else as well |
| 19:53.40 | vontrapp | ~wpa |
| 19:53.41 | ibot | well, wpa is read the section on wpa at http://hostap.epitest.fi/wpa_supplicant/ |
| 19:53.45 | brac | [Linux WPA Supplicant (IEEE 802.1X, WPA, WPA2, RSN, IEEE 802.11i)] |
| 19:54.11 | vontrapp | findlay: ${file/.psd/} |
| 19:56.01 | levi | elg: http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/03/08/states-have-rights-but-i-dont-think-this-is-one-of-them/ |
| 19:56.26 | levi | Silly New Mexico legislators. :) |
| 19:57.32 | Jayce^ | http://shop4.outpost.com/product/5124886 |
| 19:57.38 | Jayce^ | black cpu tower (no ps) free after rebate, no shipping |
| 19:57.45 | findlay | vontrapp: thanks |
| 20:00.39 | elg | :) |
| 20:00.51 | elg | probably related to the fact that the guy who discovered pluto was at NMSU at the time |
| 20:02.04 | findlay | speaking of which New Horizons rendezvous's with the mysterious planet in the next few years |
| 20:03.00 | elg | i don't think rendezvouses is a word |
| 20:04.24 | findlay | nonsense. Any word can be verbified in English |
| 20:04.56 | dataw0lf | nonsensed |
| 20:05.05 | vontrapp | rendezvous is already a verb |
| 20:05.21 | vontrapp | the question is how to make it passive |
| 20:05.31 | findlay | -chat about nonsensed rendezvous |
| 20:05.31 | brac | nonsensed rendezvous |
| 20:06.10 | dataw0lf | rendezvousing |
| 20:06.13 | vontrapp | it's also a noun in which case the plural actually is rendezvouses |
| 20:06.39 | dataw0lf | New Horizons is rendezvousing with the mysterious planet in the next few years |
| 20:06.54 | vontrapp | i like will rendezvous better |
| 20:07.26 | dataw0lf | I say we ban french words, and leave it at that |
| 20:08.29 | findlay | they use the wierdest letters |
| 20:09.14 | vontrapp | -chat about new rendezvous |
| 20:09.14 | brac | new rendezvous |
| 20:09.15 | dataw0lf | they made them up while fleeing from battle, I'm sure, so you can't expect too much |
| 20:10.10 | findlay | so here's my finished one liner: |
| 20:10.40 | findlay | find . -name '*.psd' | while read file ; do convert -background "#000F" "$file" -flatten "${file/.psd/}.png" && echo $file ; done |
| 20:11.28 | vontrapp | ${file/.psd/.png} also works |
| 20:11.47 | dataw0lf | http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/298-animation-of-a-samuel-l-jackson-pulp-fiction-speech-in-type? (NWS, much bad language) |
| 20:11.49 | brac | [Animation of a Samuel L. Jackson Pulp Fiction speech in type - (37signals)] |
| 20:19.24 | vontrapp | hehe, i like this mnemonic for trig funcs, "Oh Hell, Another Hour Of Algebra" |
| 20:20.41 | findlay | One Horse Caught Another Horse Taking Oats Away |
| 20:20.46 | findlay | that's my favorite |
| 20:21.00 | findlay | partially because of my 10th grade geometry teacher |
| 20:21.20 | levi | The plural of rendezvous is rendezvous. |
| 20:23.20 | levi | The conjugation of the verb form goes: I rendezvous, he/she/it rendezvouses, we rendezvoused, or I was rendezvousing. |
| 20:24.45 | findlay | is there a place for rendezvousment? |
| 20:25.01 | dataw0lf | what about rendezvousless? |
| 20:25.16 | findlay | and rendezvousful |
| 20:25.19 | findlay | and rendezvousfully |
| 20:25.24 | levi | I'm just quoting the dictionary. |
| 20:25.33 | vontrapp | rendezvously |
| 20:25.37 | dataw0lf | rendezvousability |
| 20:25.51 | vontrapp | rendezvousish |
| 20:26.05 | dataw0lf | rendezvousness |
| 20:26.18 | vontrapp | rendezvousity |
| 20:26.38 | findlay | antiirrendezvousfullied |
| 20:26.52 | dataw0lf | rendezvousilly |
| 20:26.57 | vontrapp | rendezvousated |
| 20:27.08 | dataw0lf | rendezvousalicious |
| 20:27.23 | vontrapp | rendezvousastic |
| 20:27.29 | dataw0lf | rendezvousariffic |
| 20:28.05 | vontrapp | rendezvousificant |
| 20:28.45 | dataw0lf | rendezvousasized |
| 20:29.19 | vontrapp | rendezvousy |
| 20:29.31 | dataw0lf | rendezvousable |
| 20:29.33 | findlay | antidisrendezvousiturned |
| 20:30.10 | findlay | antidisrendezvousiturnedfully |
| 20:30.44 | vontrapp | rendezvousected |
| 20:31.17 | dataw0lf | rendezvousollyollyoxenfree |
| 20:33.00 | vontrapp | rendezvousized |
| 20:34.11 | dataw0lf | can't... keep... going... |
| 20:34.31 | vontrapp | yay! i win1 |
| 20:34.45 | Jayce^ | rendezvissimod |
| 20:35.07 | dataw0lf | rendezvousnix |
| 20:35.15 | dataw0lf | X\ |
| 20:35.41 | vontrapp | rendezvousdows |
| 20:36.07 | dataw0lf | rendezvousbuntu |
| 20:36.18 | vontrapp | rendezvousware |
| 20:36.28 | dataw0lf | phpRendezvous |
| 20:36.37 | vontrapp | rendezvousian |
| 20:36.45 | Jayce^ | rendezvippersnapper |
| 20:36.54 | vontrapp | no, it's phpMyRendezvous |
| 20:37.14 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 20:38.00 | dataw0lf | r3nd3v0u5 |
| 20:38.33 | dataw0lf | omg rendevous hax0red the gibson |
| 20:53.29 | ScytheBlade1 | What exactly is VMWare Server? |
| 20:53.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Is it "VMWare"? |
| 20:53.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Their naming scheme sucks :/ |
| 20:54.43 | levi | Yes, it is VMWare. |
| 20:54.52 | levi | With a management console. |
| 20:55.20 | levi | So you can run multiple VMs in tabs, switch between them, manage the networking setup, etc. |
| 20:55.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks... I never would have found that out otherwise :P |
| 20:55.32 | levi | It's nice. It's free. Download it. :) |
| 20:55.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I am :) |
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| 20:56.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got some poking I need to do with a windows app, and you won't catch me installing windows on an actual computer again |
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| 20:56.52 | brac | Mynd you, møøse bites kan be pretty good |
| 20:58.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I love mailinator.com |
| 21:00.09 | findlay | heh |
| 21:01.11 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, random code comment: |
| 21:01.13 | ScytheBlade1 | #will quite reliably peg the CPU of the target machine at 100% |
| 21:01.43 | macnewbold | levi, dataw0lf: thanks, the tomato basil was really tasty |
| 21:01.59 | macnewbold | I think I'll have to try the cream of tomato and gorgonzola next time |
| 21:02.02 | levi | macnewbold: Cool, glad you made it. :) |
| 21:02.34 | macnewbold | yeah, it was worth the 10 minute drive, hands down |
| 21:02.38 | macnewbold | not very busy either :) |
| 21:11.54 | mheath | Bah, school here is insane :( |
| 21:12.09 | mheath | Hopefully I'll be surprised about how long it takes me to do my homework tonight, like I was last night |
| 21:12.19 | mheath | I thought it would take 5 hours last night....only took about 2.5 |
| 21:12.32 | findlay | mheath: more time to do my homework |
| 21:13.35 | mheath | I think they're supposed to have something yummy like baked scallops in the galley tonight. |
| 21:15.13 | mheath | Actually started electricity stuff today :) |
| 21:15.41 | dataw0lf | how's the shower rape going? |
| 21:16.25 | mheath | One of my instructors was talking about how he plays World of Warcraft |
| 21:16.43 | mheath | Which I find slightly disturbing, because he's in his thirties and a senior Non-Commissioned Officer |
| 21:16.45 | harleypig | wow ... what a time to glance at my irc window. |
| 21:16.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:17.21 | mheath | He has an unded warlock, apparently. |
| 21:17.29 | mheath | *undead |
| 21:17.44 | mheath | And spent last night sewing some legendary items. |
| 21:18.55 | mheath | gotta clean my barracks tonight, too =\ |
| 21:19.00 | mheath | Have an inspection tomorrow. |
| 21:22.08 | emcnabb | mheath: what time are you getting back this evening? |
| 21:22.57 | mheath | emcnabb, not sure |
| 21:23.07 | mheath | Last night I ended up getting out a lot sooner than I expected. |
| 21:23.13 | mheath | But I have a lot to do tonight. |
| 21:24.24 | mheath | We got chewed out today |
| 21:24.33 | mheath | so I really have to make sure my homework is sat |
| 21:24.41 | mheath | They're insane about the format here |
| 21:24.50 | tensai | ~elg++ |
| 21:24.54 | dataw0lf | plus enjoying shower rape |
| 21:24.56 | mheath | And one of our instructors tends to hand out resubmits/redos like candy |
| 21:25.13 | mheath | Meaning tonight, I basically have to redo all of two assignments from last night, plus I have 3 new assignments tonight. |
| 21:25.25 | mheath | And I have to study for quizzes tomorrow and an exam on monday :( |
| 21:31.03 | harleypig | That begs the question. Bottom or top? |
| 21:31.21 | dataw0lf | he's in the Navy. Guess. |
| 21:31.54 | harleypig | They can't all be bottoms ... |
| 21:32.26 | elg | it raises the question |
| 21:32.46 | goozbach | somebody needs to stop me before I get to liking this vbscripting |
| 21:33.09 | dataw0lf | harleypig: that's what Marines are for |
| 21:33.54 | goozbach | it's making it quite easy to get this thing done however |
| 21:34.18 | harleypig | ? To be top? |
| 21:34.37 | dataw0lf | harleypig: So I hear. |
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| 21:35.18 | harleypig | "Oh, bother" said Pooh as he buried Piglet's body. |
| 21:36.28 | redbeard1 | ~onjoin harleypig "Oh, bother" said Pooh as he buried Piglet's body. |
| 21:36.28 | ibot | redbeard1: ok |
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| 21:41.58 | harleypig | Cool |
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| 21:43.10 | harleypig | <a href="http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/gear/90b3/">Portable Vending Refrigerator</a> |
| 21:44.22 | Jayce^ | harleypig, the fondue pot is better |
| 21:44.29 | Jayce^ | of course, have both.. |
| 21:44.33 | harleypig | I can actually use the frig |
| 21:44.49 | redbeard1 | i would use the fondue pot |
| 21:45.06 | redbeard1 | we should all get one, and have a fondue buffet at work |
| 21:45.51 | dataw0lf | everyone likes fondue except for me |
| 21:45.52 | dataw0lf | I don't know, it SOUNDS good. But I can't stomach it. |
| 21:45.53 | harleypig | I have vaguely bad memories of fondue parties. |
| 21:45.53 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, just stick with the chocolate ones then |
| 21:45.57 | brac | I have your PMs ignored. |
| 21:46.04 | Jayce^ | harleypig, most of us weren't around then |
| 21:46.12 | redbeard1 | i don't think it's nearly as brilliant as everyone else seems to, but it's fun sometimes |
| 21:46.25 | harleypig | pfft. mid to late 70s |
| 21:46.44 | redbeard1 | harleypig: you're only in your mid to late 70's? |
| 21:46.47 | harleypig | well ... ok. some of you were still eagerly awaiting your turn to be horribly disappointed. |
| 21:47.05 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.27 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, he is? he looks older than that... |
| 21:47.28 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 21:47.48 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.55 | redbeard1 | harleypig: what color was the world before black and white tv? |
| 21:48.03 | levi | redbeard1: I have several fondue pots. Mmmm, melted cheese. |
| 21:48.07 | Jayce^ | as I always say, if I'm going to be an ass, might as well be a smart one |
| 21:48.14 | harleypig | Hey! Tease me about my age and I'll beat you with my cane! |
| 21:48.34 | redbeard1 | harleypig, you mean club, right? |
| 21:48.41 | levi | redbeard1: Most fondue recipes call for wine, though, and my wife is not keen on having bottles of wine around. |
| 21:48.52 | harleypig | http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/japanfan/9069/ |
| 21:48.54 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: Japanese Lucky Poo] |
| 21:49.07 | harleypig | levi: It's better with Jack. |
| 21:49.10 | redbeard1 | we have a frightening amount of alcohol in our house, for people who don't drink |
| 21:49.15 | redbeard1 | its for, er, cooking. |
| 21:49.19 | levi | Heh. |
| 21:49.55 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, on that note, I hear your daughter is sleeping better now.. |
| 21:50.03 | levi | She doesn't seem to have any problem eating food cooked with alochol, just having it in the house. |
| 21:50.05 | dataw0lf | levi: is she afraid that you'll drink em? |
| 21:50.12 | redbeard1 | Jayce^, it's a new, improved formula |
| 21:50.32 | dataw0lf | levi: if you ever need to get rid alcohol let me know |
| 21:50.47 | dataw0lf | My stomach is the non fantasy equivalent of a bag of holding, when it comes to the alkyhawl |
| 21:50.55 | levi | dataw0lf: Well, it hasn't been a problem since I've never bought any. |
| 21:51.35 | macnewbold | yeah, we've got half a bottle of Jim Beam bourbon whiskey in the basement from when we made homemade real vanilla extract from some tahitian vanilla beans I got my hands on |
| 21:52.40 | redbeard1 | macnewbold, where did you get those from? |
| 21:52.41 | Jayce^ | macnewbold, you could probably get harleypig to listen to anything about PHP you wanted to say as long as that was around |
| 21:52.41 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.47 | harleypig | phft. Not likely. |
| 21:52.59 | dataw0lf | I'll listen to just about ANYTHING, if you give me that bottle, mac |
| 21:53.04 | dataw0lf | mysql and php all day, if I have to |
| 21:53.19 | harleypig | meh ... I'd just buy it if I wanted it that bad., |
| 21:53.23 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 21:53.38 | Jayce^ | harleypig, I've seen you staring at those bottles at times... |
| 21:53.45 | dataw0lf | well I already have several bottles of whiskey at home, but I could always use another |
| 21:53.51 | harleypig | ? when? |
| 21:53.52 | dataw0lf | and how is he s'posed to know if I use /ignore |
| 21:53.53 | Jayce^ | of course, I'm still waiting for you to pick up the hip flask for your pepsi here at work |
| 21:54.14 | harleypig | I should have a little more spending money this time around. |
| 21:54.26 | harleypig | I think I'll go for the decanter though. |
| 21:54.47 | Jayce^ | good idea... I just want to see the look on a certain persons face when you pull that out in a meeting |
| 21:54.57 | findlay | ~decant harleypig in a meeting |
| 21:55.15 | harleypig | I don't have meetings with those people any more. |
| 21:55.15 | harleypig | I'm persona non grata. |
| 21:56.04 | elg | ~grate harleypig |
| 21:56.24 | dataw0lf | mmmm decanter |
| 21:56.29 | redbeard1 | harleypig: you know you want one: http://www.amazon.com/Harley-Davidson-Stainless-Steel-Flask/dp/B000K3WKGY |
| 21:56.36 | redbeard1 | for work, especially |
| 21:56.52 | dataw0lf | I just fill a half-empty 2 liter bottle of cola with jack |
| 21:57.00 | dataw0lf | and tie a string to it, around my neck |
| 21:57.28 | harleypig | meh ... IV |
| 21:57.48 | harleypig | redbeard1: Naw ... Jack for a flask. |
| 21:57.59 | dataw0lf | whip out the CLS bag in the barracks around 2 am, fill yourself with saline solution, and you're ready to go again |
| 21:58.16 | dataw0lf | the hardest part, of course, is getting a vein while drunk |
| 21:58.23 | dataw0lf | although it can be hilarious if you're watching. |
| 21:58.28 | harleypig | dataw0lf: wow. I've done some pretty stoopid things but IV'ing yourself is up there. |
| 21:58.39 | harleypig | err ... is not up there. |
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| 21:58.42 | Jayce^ | harleypig, lucky :) |
| 21:58.55 | dataw0lf | it's pretty easy once you've done it with NVGs on |
| 21:59.04 | dataw0lf | or a pro mask |
| 21:59.24 | harleypig | extremely. Pouring antifreeze through two loafs of bread is not enough to render it safe. |
| 22:00.50 | Jayce^ | ouch, vonage just lost a patent lawsuit to Verizon |
| 22:00.58 | findlay | ~haha patents |
| 22:01.00 | ibot | ACTION beats patents about the head with the ha ha bat |
| 22:01.06 | redbeard1 | Jayce^, over what? |
| 22:01.13 | redbeard1 | which patent, i mean |
| 22:01.47 | Jayce^ | Verizon, the nation's second-largest phone company, said it would seek an injunction to block Vonage from using its patented technology. |
| 22:01.48 | Jayce^ | "Patents encourage and protect innovations that benefit consumers, create jobs, and keep the economy growing," |
| 22:01.53 | brac | "Patents encourage and protect ourselves. Mr. Yarro is Founder, President and Chief Executive Officer of ThinkAtomic, a high-tech incubator, think tank and venture accelerator (Full Bio). To register, visit http://www.uita.org/events/register031606.htm. |
| 22:02.05 | Jayce^ | said John Thorne, Verizon deputy general counsel, in a statement |
| 22:02.52 | Jayce^ | Vonage was found guilty of violating Verizon patents covering technology used to link Internet calls to the traditional phone networks and to retrieve voice mail. The jury rejected claims that Vonage violated two patents related to billing functions. |
| 22:02.52 | findlay | brac: feel free to mock the patents all you want |
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| 22:12.43 | herlo | ~lart thaddeusq |
| 22:13.04 | goozbach | nat2, huh? |
| 22:14.00 | goozbach | hey, whadda know? wave! thaddeusq |
| 22:14.11 | findlay | ~wave |
| 22:14.39 | goozbach | ohh!!! don't put down the blinds!!! |
| 22:15.13 | elg | Jayce^: link? |
| 22:15.49 | findlay | ibot: wave is d^2u/dt^2 = c^2Del^2u |
| 22:15.51 | ibot | Bye, is d^2u/dt^2 = c^2Del^2u |
| 22:15.59 | findlay | whatever |
| 22:16.03 | Jayce^ | elg, lots of them... http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/vonage-found-guilty-violating-verizon/story.aspx?guid=%7BFB71B58D-2D6A-4F0C-A232-10848FAD343A%7D |
| 22:17.46 | Jayce^ | "Going forward, Vonage also should be ordered to pay Verizon a royalty of $4.93 per telephone line per month for its voice-over-Internet protocol (VoIP) technology, said Verizon lawyer Dan Webb." |
| 22:17.48 | Jayce^ | ouch |
| 22:17.59 | Jayce^ | if they can get that to other voip providers too now |
| 22:18.30 | Jayce^ | "The patents cover technology that allows calls made through the Internet to be connected to traditional phone numbers; that enable Internet phone service to use features such as call waiting and voicemail; to coordinate billing; and to connect through a wireless network." |
| 22:18.46 | elg | sigh. when are people going to wake up |
| 22:19.17 | herlo | ~lart sjansen |
| 22:19.20 | findlay | -lart people |
| 22:19.24 | findlay | -lart people |
| 22:19.27 | findlay | -lart people |
| 22:19.33 | findlay | heh |
| 22:25.00 | findlay | ~lart stupid CRMs |
| 22:25.13 | findlay | ~obliteratestupid CRMs |
| 22:25.39 | findlay | ~obliterate stupid CRMs |
| 22:25.58 | findlay | ~nuke stupid CRMs |
| 22:25.59 | ibot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at stupid CRMs ... B☢☢M! |
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| 22:41.38 | atoponce | http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/0,5538,13593,00.html |
| 22:41.39 | brac | [Beard World Championship: The world's best beards in competition - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News] |
| 22:44.42 | elg | lol |
| 22:48.36 | harleypig | uh ... #5 is little ... different |
| 22:50.03 | elg | is that the windmill? |
| 22:50.17 | harleypig | No, that's the pink outfit. |
| 22:52.08 | elg | oh yes |
| 22:53.02 | atoponce | how many hours would it take to style that windmill, do you think? |
| 22:53.12 | atoponce | seriously. that's some serious grooming |
| 22:57.16 | findlay | this monitor is giving me a headache |
| 22:57.40 | tene | so just give it back |
| 22:57.58 | findlay | can't |
| 22:58.13 | tene | worried about offending the monitor? |
| 22:58.20 | findlay | yeah |
| 22:59.43 | tene | ahh |
| 23:16.09 | findlay | does anybody support RH9 anymore? |
| 23:17.12 | findlay | tene: will you support it for me? kthxbye |
| 23:17.34 | tene | findlay: sure. just give me a credit card number. |
| 23:17.55 | findlay | msg tene 1234-5678-9012-3456 |
| 23:18.00 | findlay | oops ... |
| 23:18.15 | findlay | :) |
| 23:18.17 | tene | :D |
| 23:19.38 | QBFreak | findlay: you can do better than that |
| 23:19.57 | findlay | yeah |
| 23:20.19 | atoponce | findlay: you forgot the exp |
| 23:20.58 | QBFreak | here we go, 4576554837325309 |
| 23:21.56 | QBFreak | it passes the standard number check |
| 23:24.13 | findlay | atoponce: sorry |
| 23:24.40 | findlay | here's the cvv and exp date: (987,10/10) |
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| 23:46.11 | Sargun | This netflix watch now thing is the bomb. |
| 23:46.24 | beandog | watch now? |
| 23:47.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Has anyone played with syslog-ng's network logging capabilities? |
| 23:48.59 | beandog | yah |
| 23:49.09 | beandog | briefly. |
| 23:49.13 | Sargun | Yeah, your required to learn at as an RHCE |
| 23:49.23 | Sargun | and RHCT |
| 23:49.26 | beandog | I started poking at it when I was using LTSP |
| 23:49.29 | brac | I started as a C project) at work |
| 23:49.29 | beandog | remote logging |
| 23:49.41 | ScytheBlade1 | source net { tcp(0.0.0.0,48000); }; |
| 23:49.43 | Sargun | brac, your written in C? |
| 23:49.43 | brac | no clue |
| 23:49.49 | ScytheBlade1 | How am I broken? :P |
| 23:50.13 | tene | brac: shut up |
| 23:50.15 | ScytheBlade1 | The man page is vauge |
| 23:50.16 | Sargun | haha |
| 23:51.42 | findlay | yay for yum |
| 23:52.55 | findlay | yum > rpm+wget |
| 23:53.09 | Sargun | portage > yum. |
| 23:53.11 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.campin.net/syslog-ng/expanded-syslog-ng.conf <-- that's useful |
| 23:53.20 | findlay | Sargun: indeed :) |
| 23:53.35 | findlay | but I'm on RH9 :) |
| 23:53.49 | findlay | s/:)/):/ |
| 23:55.29 | Sargun | you can install Portage on RH9. |
| 23:57.52 | findlay | I don't think my boss wants portage on this old server (: |
| 23:57.59 | findlay | it's a quad xeon though |
| 23:58.22 | Sargun | Nice. |
| 23:58.28 | findlay | yeah |
| 23:58.38 | Sargun | I have a quad core. |
| 23:58.59 | findlay | what's intel's other server CPU called? |
| 23:59.13 | findlay | Itanium, that's it |
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| 23:59.49 | levi | They're on the Itanium II now. |
