| 00:00.30 | elg | or rather, what time does the moon rise? |
| 00:01.09 | linuxalien | I dunno |
| 00:07.54 | ti`ocpi | eclipse? |
| 00:08.14 | tene | lunar |
| 00:09.44 | linuxalien | Word |
| 00:09.48 | linuxalien | astronomy is cool. |
| 00:09.50 | ti`ocpi | there's one tonight? |
| 00:09.59 | tene | go'i |
| 00:10.10 | ti`ocpi | oooooooo |
| 00:10.15 | ti`ocpi | is it full? |
| 00:10.19 | ti`ocpi | er |
| 00:10.24 | ti`ocpi | a total eclipse? |
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| 00:31.33 | elg | total, but we'll only see the tail end |
| 00:31.50 | elg | not even that, actually |
| 00:32.04 | elg | well, you won't. I'll get 5 minutes of partial eclipse |
| 00:32.16 | mheath_ | I was going to look at that |
| 00:32.18 | elg | actually maybe the moon rises a bit before that |
| 00:32.20 | mheath_ | Probably too late now :( |
| 00:32.21 | mheath_ | I forgot |
| 00:32.31 | elg | it's not total anymore, but it's still going |
| 00:33.00 | elg | Penumbral Eclipse Begins:07:53:39 UT |
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| 00:33.19 | mheath_ | elg, I'm on the east coast |
| 00:33.23 | mheath_ | Too late for e |
| 00:33.26 | mheath_ | *me |
| 00:33.26 | elg | it is now 00:33 UT |
| 00:33.34 | elg | why, has the moon already set? |
| 00:33.53 | elg | it hasn't even risen yet here |
| 00:34.30 | elg | oh, oops I pasted the wrong timetable |
| 00:34.37 | elg | Penumbral Eclipse Begins:20:18:11 UT |
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| 00:35.09 | elg | http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/OH/OH2007.html#2007Mar03T |
| 00:37.06 | elg | and http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/OH/image1/LE2007Mar03-Fig1.GIF |
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| 00:40.02 | elg | moon rises here at 6:06. Rises in provo at 6:21 |
| 00:40.32 | elg | http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.html |
| 00:40.33 | brac | [Complete Sun and Moon Data for One Day] |
| 00:59.58 | mheath_ | Now I get to go manually enter 3 months of finance information into GNUCash. |
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| 01:18.17 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 01:18.30 | mheath_ | Do linksys routers let you limit bandwidth at all? |
| 01:18.48 | mheath_ | My roomate is downloading World of Warcraft (Blizzard uses bittorrent) and its sucking my bandwidth. |
| 01:19.06 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 01:19.11 | elg | maybe |
| 01:19.30 | vontrapp | -lart crappy wireless whose connectivity depends on my lap angle |
| 01:20.05 | mheath_ | Another question: How big of a difference to the "range extender" antennas you can get for Linksys wireless routers make? |
| 01:20.25 | mheath_ | The bigger and better upgraded antennas? |
| 01:20.34 | mheath_ | I have a friend a few rooms down who can't pick up the wireless |
| 01:21.03 | mheath_ | But moving his laptop angle / position slightly can make him get it in his list (signal is so poor, he still can't connect, but its shown) |
| 01:21.13 | elg | does seagate still make the best hard drives? |
| 01:21.27 | mheath_ | Would those range extender antennas help enough to make a difference in his connectivity? |
| 01:21.28 | ScytheBlade1 | elg, Western Digital, Seagate, and IBM |
| 01:22.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I have two WD drives that have been randomly reading/writing consistently for the past six years, and they're still going at it |
| 01:22.47 | elg | anything I should know about hard drive shopping? like wait 1.5 weeks and these magic new solid state drives that cost half as much as regular drives and hold 10x as much |
| 01:22.53 | elg | will be available |
| 01:23.00 | ScytheBlade1 | And pay 10x as much |
| 01:23.10 | elg | no i said cost half as much |
| 01:23.20 | elg | i'm not worried about new technology that costs 10x as much :) |
| 01:23.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, yeah right |
| 01:23.38 | elg | i've had bad luck with WD, but that was probably 8 years ago |
| 01:23.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, I do like mine. |
| 01:23.50 | mheath_ | People are malicious on this base. God. |
| 01:24.02 | mheath_ | Nukes are all geeky technically inclined people. |
| 01:24.08 | mheath_ | I plugged in this new router |
| 01:24.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Though, admittedly, they are their "Raptor" series, which isn't cheap, but have a 5 year warranty.. |
| 01:24.13 | mheath_ | Default settings have no security |
| 01:24.21 | mheath_ | in 5 minutes, over 40 connections to it. |
| 01:24.25 | ScytheBlade1 | (Rather high quality drives) |
| 01:24.31 | mheath_ | People DDoSing the connection |
| 01:24.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Shut off DHCP |
| 01:24.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Problem solved |
| 01:24.45 | mheath_ | making it so I had to reset it before I could even connect to the router to change thesettings and enable security. |
| 01:24.50 | mheath_ | ScytheBlade1, I know |
| 01:25.08 | mheath_ | I'm talking about in the time it took me to connect the cables from the router to my computer, and connect to the router to change the settings |
| 01:25.13 | mheath_ | 40 connections. |
| 01:25.48 | elg | malicious? sounds like they're just desparate |
| 01:26.22 | mheath_ | elg, no, some people were obviously DDoSing the router. |
| 01:26.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, I doubt that "some people were DDoSing the router" |
| 01:26.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd place my money on it being a consumer grade router |
| 01:26.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Not being able to handle any more than 10ish people anyways |
| 01:28.06 | mheath_ | No, because tehy weren't even using the router, really |
| 01:28.10 | mheath_ | The router wasn't even routing much |
| 01:28.15 | mheath_ | It wasn't connected to the internet yet |
| 01:28.23 | mheath_ | They could just get a DHCP lease and then sit there doing nothing. |
| 01:32.29 | elg | well getting a dhcp lease is better than nothing. if they had nothing before then they'd be better off conencted to a router that may or may not have internet in the near future than not |
| 01:33.44 | mheath_ | This is rediculous. I need to setup bandwidth limitations. |
| 01:34.11 | elg | linux. you seek linux |
| 01:34.17 | QBFreak | I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of that is laptops and the like making automatic connections |
| 01:34.33 | elg | i'd be surprised if it wasn't |
| 01:34.41 | elg | unless you walked down the hall beforehand announcing your intentions |
| 01:35.18 | QBFreak | there's actually one wireless manager for windows (why must that crap exists, MS's works great) that will automatically connect to the first network it finds, you can't even change which one |
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| 01:38.47 | mheath_ | I don't want to be rude and close his program, but this is rediculous. |
| 01:39.18 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath_, WoW + Expansion is a good 8GB downloaded. |
| 01:39.29 | ScytheBlade1 | If he's going to download it, the sooner he gets it over with, the better. :) |
| 01:39.37 | mheath_ | Yeah |
| 01:39.44 | mheath_ | but I wish I could setup bandwidth limitation |
| 01:39.56 | mheath_ | He's going to have to wait until tomorrow anyway |
| 01:40.11 | elg | you could, with linux (ie on your router, if that's possible) |
| 01:40.21 | mheath_ | Why make it so I can't even use the internet so it's ready at 2AM rather than 8AM? |
| 01:40.30 | mheath_ | elg, I can't get linux on there :( |
| 01:40.37 | mheath_ | Its a WRT54G but its a brand new version |
| 01:40.49 | mheath_ | none of the alt firmwares support that version yet |
| 01:42.25 | mheath_ | http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1115416829416&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper |
| 01:42.58 | mheath_ | Would that provide enough extended range to potentially fix the connection issues? (not the bandwidth issues, the other issues) |
| 01:57.55 | mheath_ | Heh, I fixed the bandwidth issues. |
| 01:58.08 | mheath_ | And made it so his download will finish faster, oddly enough |
| 01:58.24 | mheath_ | Turned off peer-to-peer downloading |
| 01:58.30 | mheath_ | So its downloading directly via HTTP |
| 01:58.35 | mheath_ | At a faster speed |
| 01:58.40 | mheath_ | And not using any upstream bandwidth |
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| 03:33.48 | elg | so what's so cool about perpendicular storage? i understand that it improves the storage capacity possibilities |
| 03:34.16 | elg | but compared to the same size with not-perpendicular (and let's say they're the same cost) what are the advantages? |
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| 03:54.58 | emcnabb | elg: the data is more compact so the disk heads don't move as far |
| 03:55.44 | emcnabb | elg: I used to have a 7200rpm drive on my laptop, and my new(er) 5400rpm perpendicular drive is about as fast |
| 03:56.10 | emcnabb | less movement also means less power consumption |
| 04:03.21 | elg | that's good |
| 04:03.28 | elg | and probably better reliability too |
| 04:03.37 | elg | if they don't have bugs with the newness of it that is |
| 04:08.09 | emcnabb | elg: I have a 160 GB drive in my laptop, and haven't had any problems |
| 04:08.33 | elg | i think this is what I'll get. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148111 |
| 04:08.41 | emcnabb | I have 2 x 500GB drives in my server, and one of them went bad |
| 04:08.43 | emcnabb | DOA |
| 04:09.01 | elg | 500G is too bleeding edge for me, I think |
| 04:09.09 | elg | besides being too expensive |
| 04:09.09 | emcnabb | I have the 500GB version of that |
| 04:09.16 | emcnabb | why too bleeding edge? |
| 04:09.52 | elg | they have to push the envelope to get them that big (yes, not anymore, but when they were designed/manufactured they did) |
| 04:10.13 | elg | i don't need that much (yet) - I'm no video editing freak |
| 04:10.18 | emcnabb | 500 GB drives have been around for a while now |
| 04:10.36 | emcnabb | mythtv has been my necessity :-) |
| 04:10.37 | elg | not awhile enough for me. i'm paranoid :) |
| 04:10.51 | emcnabb | me too, that's why you RAID them ;-) |
| 04:10.52 | elg | yes, see, if I had cable and mythtv it would be a different story |
| 04:11.07 | elg | raid is great but then you have to buy two drives |
| 04:11.54 | emcnabb | I think that if there was a fundemental flaw with perpendicular drives we would have seen something by now |
| 04:12.09 | emcnabb | they've been around for several years, and millions have been sold |
| 04:12.21 | elg | oh yeah, totally |
| 04:14.17 | ScytheBlade1 | rm -rf /usr/{bin/i*86*,i*86*,include,lib/{perl5/,pkgconfig/,portage/,python2.4/,X11/,binutils/,ccache/,gcc/,groff/,tc/,gconv/*},libexec/,portage/,share/{X11,aclocal*,auto*,console*,dict/,doc/,et/,gcc-data/,gettext/,gnuconfig,groff/,i18n/{locales/*,charmaps/*},keymaps/,libtool/,locale/,man/,misc/,sandbox/,ss/,terminfo/,texinfo/,unimaps/,vim/vim70/{autoload/*,colors/*,compiler/*,doc/*,ftplugin/*,keymap/*,indent/*,lang/*,macros/*,plugin/*,print/*, |
| 04:14.17 | ScytheBlade1 | syntax/*,tools/*,tutor/*},zoneinfo/},src/} |
| 04:14.19 | ScytheBlade1 | *phew* |
| 04:19.13 | elg | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148140 |
| 04:19.20 | elg | that's the link I meant to post. the 320G one |
| 04:32.15 | levi_home | elg: Which book did you buy? |
| 04:32.31 | elg | programming erlang |
| 04:32.33 | elg | beta |
| 04:32.50 | levi_home | Ahh, cool. What do you think? |
| 04:33.03 | elg | of the book, so far great |
| 04:33.05 | levi_home | I've read through some of the excerpts. |
| 04:33.09 | elg | of the language, I'm still getting started |
| 04:33.44 | elg | haven't got to the cool stuff yet |
| 04:33.45 | elg | :) |
| 04:33.59 | elg | I had to do homework today |
| 04:37.57 | levi_home | Me too. |
| 04:38.09 | levi_home | That, and go out on the town. :) |
| 04:43.35 | levi_home | Went to the Charcoal Grill at the Sky Bar downtown. It was pretty good. |
| 04:50.28 | mheath_ | yah |
| 04:50.47 | mheath_ | I'm really starting to love GNU Cash :) |
| 04:51.00 | levi_home | So much for your MS Money purchase. :) |
| 04:51.47 | emcnabb | yeah, I like it because it's a no-frills accounting program |
| 04:53.07 | emcnabb | night all |
| 04:53.15 | levi_home | Night. |
| 04:53.21 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 05:00.02 | mheath_ | God this is painful to listen to. |
| 05:00.19 | mheath_ | My roomate somehow dislikes me giving him any advice about his computer |
| 05:00.28 | mheath_ | So he's asking his friend questions over the phone |
| 05:00.36 | mheath_ | Describing the interior of his computer to his friend |
| 05:01.46 | mheath_ | "Theres a white slot..with a card in it...then a black slot...well...it's kinda brown. Little tube thingies? Theres not really any little tube thingies....Theres some fans going. And I think theres a hard drive." |
| 05:04.17 | mheath_ | Now his friend is telling him to buy some overpriced POS outdated AGP card (the friend never bothered to ask / figure outt if he had PCI Express) from a bad website. |
| 05:05.12 | mheath_ | I feel like I should say / do something. |
| 05:09.25 | mheath_ | His friend told him that "150 MB" of video RAM should be OK. |
| 05:10.53 | vontrapp | ? |
| 05:11.07 | vontrapp | it's not? |
| 05:11.29 | vontrapp | actually, make that 32M |
| 05:11.47 | elg | 150MB is pretty good for video ram |
| 05:12.05 | elg | seems like an odd number though |
| 05:13.16 | mheath_ | Indeed. |
| 05:13.22 | mheath_ | Yeah |
| 05:13.28 | mheath_ | he was about to buy a $100 AGP card |
| 05:13.33 | mheath_ | And he doesn't HAVE an AGP slot. |
| 05:13.39 | mheath_ | He has PCI express for video expansion. |
| 05:13.41 | vontrapp | my fear of perpendicular would be have they really figured out the right coercivity yet, or are my bits going to randomly demagnetize |
| 05:13.47 | levi_home | Heh. |
| 05:14.51 | vontrapp | i do like the less head movement, low rpms |
| 05:14.55 | vontrapp | low rpms especially |
| 05:15.58 | vontrapp | woot, vmware modules are compiling! |
| 05:16.11 | vontrapp | The module loads perfectly in the running kernel. |
| 05:16.15 | vontrapp | that's what i like to hear |
| 05:16.40 | vontrapp | now which interface should i bridge to vmnet0? |
| 05:16.49 | mheath_ | Is there any websites that has a good collection of current hardware buying guides? |
| 05:16.51 | vontrapp | my gateway to the internet interface? |
| 05:16.56 | mheath_ | So I can show them to my friend here |
| 05:18.04 | vontrapp | some other interface? |
| 05:18.35 | vontrapp | ideally i'd like to be able to get to the internet, to the vpn (on the host machine) and to the local subnet of the host machine |
| 05:19.32 | vontrapp | you could have him take it to some "professional shop" |
| 05:19.54 | vontrapp | like, um, best buy, maybe they'll sell him vista while he's there, too |
| 05:20.04 | vontrapp | then you can have all kinds of fun helping him with his computer |
| 05:20.24 | vontrapp | ah crap, missing eragon |
| 05:21.28 | vontrapp | wife is on what was supposed to be a short assignment, not back yet :( |
| 05:22.31 | vontrapp | what does vmware need an unused private subnet for? |
| 05:25.01 | vontrapp | ~ord w |
| 05:25.01 | ibot | 'w' is ascii 119, vontrapp |
| 05:29.25 | mheath_ | vontrapp, already has vista. |
| 05:29.44 | mheath_ | Like I said, he has some aversion to listening to what I have to say. |
| 05:29.59 | mheath_ | Therefore he calls his friend and almost spends hundreds of dollars on something that doesn't work with his computer |
| 05:30.36 | vontrapp | well, he could have returned it likely |
| 05:30.51 | mheath_ | The bestbuy here makes more money than any other best buy in the country |
| 05:31.07 | mheath_ | Purely because my fellow nukes go and waste way too much money there. |
| 05:32.20 | mheath_ | Anyway, Time for sleep I think. If he'll stop watching flash movies with obnoxious music. |
| 05:32.30 | mheath_ | Goodnight, everyone. |
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| 05:45.21 | vontrapp | ~curse vmware |
| 05:45.38 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, vmware ! |
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| 06:03.35 | vontrapp | -lart pmcnabb |
| 06:03.55 | pmcnabb | ~lart vontrapp |
| 06:36.34 | levi_home | Heh, stupid revisionist kids thinking /etc stood for anything other than et cetera. |
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| 06:59.26 | tene | levi_home: eh? |
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| 15:09.53 | elg | levi_home: this is the shortest quicksort i've seen. i can get close with ruby, using the same approach. you'll probably tell me lisp can do it too, so let's see it :) |
| 15:10.00 | elg | qsort([]) -> []; |
| 15:10.00 | elg | qsort([Pivot|T]) -> |
| 15:10.00 | elg | qsort([X || X <- T, X =< Pivot]) |
| 15:10.00 | elg | ++ [Pivot] ++ |
| 15:10.01 | elg | qsort([X || X <- T, X > Pivot]). |
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| 17:31.14 | nick125_lappy | note to self: don't run etc-update without paying attention to the output |
| 17:43.56 | mheath | goozbach, Just about to fire off an e-mail your way -- you don't happen to be around now so I can save myself the truoble, do you? |
| 17:47.49 | vontrapp | ~pivot elg |
| 17:49.28 | vontrapp | hasn't nvidia fixed that cursor flicker bug yet? |
| 17:53.48 | Hunding | vontrapp: your running a VPN connection on ubunutu? |
| 18:18.59 | vontrapp | yes |
| 18:22.51 | vontrapp | YUM!! |
| 18:22.55 | vontrapp | sourdough pancakes are the bomb! |
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| 18:55.10 | QBFreak | you can install pancakes with yum? |
| 18:58.12 | mheath | mmm pancakes |
| 18:58.17 | mheath | thats the one thing that really sucks at the galley here |
| 18:58.27 | mheath | Because they always serve breakfast buffet style |
| 18:58.45 | mheath | So it's a giant thing full of pancakes. They get all nasty. Hard around the edges. Dried out. |
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| 19:15.10 | mheath | ibot: onjoin -mheath |
| 19:15.10 | ibot | ok, mheath |
| 19:48.15 | mheath | Heh |
| 19:48.48 | mheath | A typo, but it shows Microsoft's new product naming schemes: "When you purchase via download oney Essentials Essentials.." |
| 19:50.25 | mheath | *Money |
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| 22:46.05 | dataw0lf | jayce_home: wow, that apex barrel is awesome. |
| 23:16.03 | mheath | Why do Windows programs seem to have an obsession with keeping themselves running? |
| 23:16.15 | mheath | Background processes, "quick starters", etc |
| 23:25.14 | vontrapp | to annoy you |
| 23:27.43 | tene | mheath: because the OS is bad at doing it for them, so every app makes their own solution? |
| 23:28.13 | mheath | Thats actually my biggest problem with Windows programs.... |
| 23:28.34 | mheath | In general, a lot of programs tend to do things their own way rather than doing good OS integration and using Windows features |
| 23:28.58 | mheath | A good example: Lexmark's printing crap. You know, the little popup progress window, the audio "Printing started", all that crap. |
| 23:29.04 | mheath | What's wrong with using the OS's printing features? |
| 23:30.05 | tene | management wants to make their app "stand out"? |
| 23:32.45 | bonez39 | quick question....any of you run any sort of contact management/CRM application? I have tried, and like SugarCRM, but some in my wife's company find it difficult...need to find someting to manage client lists..and calls and tracking |
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| 23:58.38 | Lone_Wanderer_ | Oh for pete's sake. |
| 23:58.54 | tene | ? |
| 23:59.00 | Lone_Wanderer_ | Why is there a string of fifteen different commands just to reclaim my nick? |
| 23:59.07 | tene | eh? |
| 23:59.21 | tene | /msg nickserv ghost oldnick password |
| 23:59.38 | Lone_Wanderer | sweet, thanks |
