| 00:00.51 | beandog | me too |
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| 00:09.54 | beandog | anybody have any old laptops |
| 00:09.57 | beandog | theyre not using |
| 00:10.06 | beandog | and ... uh .. want to donate to gentoo development :D |
| 00:10.30 | tene | nah, only new ones |
| 00:11.14 | atoponce | beandog: maybe |
| 00:11.28 | atoponce | if i can convince my wife to let me purchase a new one |
| 00:11.41 | findlay | beandog: if you give it to me I'll use it for gentoo development (-: |
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| 00:11.47 | findlay | and other things |
| 00:12.06 | atoponce | findlay: rap music is out of the question |
| 00:12.07 | atoponce | :) |
| 00:12.20 | findlay | ~steal tene's new laptops |
| 00:12.29 | ibot | ACTION grabs tene's new laptops and gives it to findlay |
| 00:13.39 | beandog | atoponce: Im sure you could pull that off |
| 00:13.40 | beandog | :D |
| 00:15.29 | atoponce | it's looking hopeful, but at this point, it's probably a 10% chance |
| 00:15.42 | atoponce | and probably wouldn't be until june |
| 00:16.00 | beandog | :C |
| 00:16.33 | findlay | for me it's either get a laptop this summer or take lessons |
| 00:16.43 | findlay | I think I'm going to take the lessons |
| 00:16.54 | atoponce | i'll try and work the magic with the wife |
| 00:17.07 | atoponce | maybe she's in a good mood today |
| 00:17.22 | findlay | tell her her cousin commands :) |
| 00:17.30 | atoponce | ツ |
| 00:17.38 | findlay | I command that atoponce get a laptop |
| 00:18.00 | atoponce | i'll have her join this channel tonight |
| 00:18.04 | findlay | heh |
| 00:18.13 | atoponce | then you can tell her directly :) |
| 00:18.24 | beandog | heh |
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| 00:21.38 | vontrapp | some rogue (list (a) '(b c)) type problem where 'list' should have been 'cons' :/ |
| 00:33.01 | SpecialZ | beandog, I have an old laptop that might be used for Gentoo dev. The CD player has issues, and I wonder if it's a mother board problem though. |
| 00:36.38 | SpecialZ | My sister in law was ready to dump it. I need to find a laptop CD drive to verify what the problem is. It failed to validate a printed Ubuntu disc when I tried to repurpose it for my use |
| 00:36.54 | QBFreak | SpecialZ: what model? |
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| 00:37.25 | QBFreak | Lone_Wanderer has all the fun... |
| 00:37.28 | SpecialZ | HP something. I couldn't tell you specs off the top of my head |
| 00:37.36 | beandog | SpecialZ: freak, thats cool. whats wrong with the drive? |
| 00:37.46 | SpecialZ | Don't know |
| 00:37.56 | SpecialZ | That's why I wanted to try another one in there |
| 00:38.07 | beandog | what make is it? |
| 00:38.10 | beandog | is that the word for computers |
| 00:38.28 | QBFreak | I think most use 'model' |
| 00:38.37 | QBFreak | or 'kind' but thats too generic |
| 00:39.14 | beandog | brand? |
| 00:39.29 | SpecialZ | (17:37:28) SpecialZ: HP something. I couldn't tell you specs off the top of my head |
| 00:39.49 | SpecialZ | Processor is probably < 1ghz |
| 00:45.19 | beandog | thats not too bad |
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| 00:58.11 | mheath | CAn anyone recommend a low cost webhost? |
| 00:58.22 | mheath | Domain registration, PHP and MySQL maybe... |
| 01:00.03 | beandog | register your domain with godaddy |
| 01:00.04 | goozbach | YES |
| 01:00.08 | beandog | they are cheap and offer good services. |
| 01:00.09 | goozbach | neverblock |
| 01:00.10 | beandog | dunno about hosting. |
| 01:00.42 | goozbach | plans starting at $7.50/month for hosting |
| 01:00.56 | goozbach | full root access VPS at $15 |
| 01:01.54 | beandog | VPS's suck |
| 01:01.56 | beandog | :) |
| 01:02.02 | beandog | get your own server for only $15 more |
| 01:02.02 | beandog | :D |
| 01:02.22 | goozbach | beandog: where? |
| 01:02.30 | beandog | www.serverpronto.com |
| 01:02.58 | synic | serverpronto is awesome |
| 01:03.23 | dilvie | ack |
| 01:03.30 | dilvie | I'm not a fan of godaddy |
| 01:03.35 | beandog | no? |
| 01:03.46 | macnewbold | I use namecheap over godaddy any day |
| 01:04.08 | dilvie | I don't like to talk trash |
| 01:04.23 | dilvie | but the godaddy business practices tend toward the sketchy |
| 01:04.32 | dilvie | and petty |
| 01:04.41 | beandog | hows that |
| 01:05.16 | dilvie | google.. I'm sure you'll find a few disgruntled ex-godaddy customers ranting on their blogs. |
| 01:05.59 | mheath | My USB hub broke, I think.. |
| 01:06.00 | mheath | Hmmm |
| 01:06.05 | mheath | not sure how one breaks a USB hub. |
| 01:06.34 | tene | mheath: I use a sledgehammer usually. |
| 01:06.50 | beandog | I sit on mine |
| 01:07.34 | dilvie | try a search for "godaddy sucks" |
| 01:08.04 | mheath | Uh |
| 01:08.13 | beandog | ~google godaddy sucks |
| 01:08.23 | mheath | What would my luck be if I tried to ask for my money back on Micrrosoft Money? |
| 01:08.25 | beandog | meh. |
| 01:08.47 | mheath | I still want to use it, but it does no good for me if it keeps crashing |
| 01:08.59 | mheath | And after 2 hours of going through their tech support, theres been no improvement. |
| 01:09.23 | atoponce | mheath: you think you would have learned your lesson using microsoft software |
| 01:09.26 | atoponce | guess not, though |
| 01:09.44 | mheath | MS software is bad, yes |
| 01:10.01 | mheath | Usually not "consistently crashes while trying to preform the most fundamental and basic operation" bad though |
| 01:10.02 | atoponce | so why keep putting yourself through the agony |
| 01:12.46 | mheath | GNU Cash windows builds are too beta |
| 01:12.48 | mheath | they crash too |
| 01:13.09 | atoponce | but at least you're not out any money |
| 01:17.36 | goozbach | W00T I scored some girl scout copokies |
| 01:17.39 | goozbach | cookies |
| 01:18.36 | dilvie | http://www.threadwatch.org/node/3785 <-- godaddy holds domains hostage |
| 01:26.07 | mheath | goozbach: w00t, I avoided letting them talk me into buying MORE girl scout cookies |
| 01:26.13 | mheath | They really do stake out the mini-nex here |
| 01:26.16 | mheath | They're like leeches |
| 01:26.43 | goozbach | I bought 6 boxes today |
| 01:26.53 | goozbach | somaos and thin mints |
| 01:27.04 | mheath | I have 3 boxes |
| 01:27.07 | mheath | And I told them that |
| 01:27.13 | mheath | And they still proceeded to try to get me to buy MORE. |
| 01:38.14 | QBFreak | mheath: remember, just say no to girl scout cookies |
| 01:40.24 | findlay | why do my roomates always have to be idiots? |
| 01:41.19 | findlay | ~lart stupid roomates |
| 01:41.47 | findlay | ~kill stupid roomates |
| 01:41.50 | ibot | ACTION shoots a inverse tachyon gun at stupid roomates |
| 01:41.50 | findlay | ~shoot stupid roomates |
| 01:41.51 | ibot | ACTION shoots stupid roomates in the foot with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 01:43.31 | findlay | I guess the sooner they get married the sooner they make out in somebody else's apartment |
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| 01:45.41 | mheath | Don't get along with him the best, but I see next to nothing of him, so thats OK |
| 01:46.26 | findlay | mheath: just be glad he doesn't make out with his girlfriend on your couch |
| 01:46.38 | mheath | I don't have a couch :( |
| 01:46.49 | findlay | better not to have one |
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| 02:15.16 | rsimpkins | findlay: Your room mate is an idiot because he's kissing his girlfriend? |
| 02:19.56 | tene | rsimpkins: didn't you hear? girls have cooties! |
| 02:20.14 | rsimpkins | Dang. Good thing wifes don't or I'd be in trouble. |
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| 02:29.56 | mheath | I lost goozbach... |
| 02:30.06 | mheath | Disappeared on me. |
| 02:30.15 | rsimpkins | What do you wanna host? |
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| 02:31.13 | mheath | Oh, he was telling me about a good VPS offer. |
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| 02:37.18 | nick125_lappy | OLPC hates me :/ |
| 02:40.55 | levi_home | nick125_lappy: OLPC hates you? |
| 02:43.02 | nick125_lappy | levi_home: I'm trying to get it to run in qemu |
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| 02:58.40 | utahcon | evening all |
| 03:04.58 | rsimpkins | utahcon: Hi. |
| 03:11.26 | levi_home | Hi, utahcon. |
| 03:14.00 | mheath | Goodnight |
| 03:16.11 | levi_home | utahcon: What's 'utahcon' mean? |
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| 03:28.52 | Marupa | Bwehehe! |
| 03:29.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Ack, I need some way to virtualize a complete linux system that isn't qemu. |
| 03:30.30 | rsimpkins | Marupa: Where in utah county are ya? |
| 03:30.34 | Marupa | Orem. |
| 03:30.41 | Marupa | You? |
| 03:30.58 | rsimpkins | Lehi. |
| 03:31.03 | rsimpkins | I work at Omniture. You? |
| 03:31.22 | Marupa | I don't. >.< Looking for a job. |
| 03:31.29 | rsimpkins | What sort of a job? |
| 03:31.34 | rsimpkins | Omniture is hiring. |
| 03:31.43 | Marupa | Anything tech/computer/electronics based. |
| 03:32.00 | Marupa | I don't do so well on the phones though |
| 03:32.24 | rsimpkins | What is your experience level? |
| 03:32.52 | Marupa | Hmmm. For linux? I'd say intermediate/high. I deal most with PHP, though I've only been using it for about two years. |
| 03:33.19 | rsimpkins | Are you looking for more engineering type work, what is your career path? |
| 03:33.35 | rsimpkins | ScytheBlade1: vmware? |
| 03:33.42 | Marupa | Well, I'm kinda split, career wise. I'm an artist, writer and programmer. |
| 03:33.56 | rsimpkins | Marupa: sounds like you are well set up for web design then. |
| 03:33.58 | ScytheBlade1 | rsimpkins, ehh, little on the "not open source" side for me ;) |
| 03:34.16 | rsimpkins | ScytheBlade1: xen is the only other thing I know of. |
| 03:34.28 | ScytheBlade1 | rsimpkins, oh, duh, I had forgotten about xen, thanks |
| 03:34.29 | Marupa | Heh. I try to be. I suck pretty badly at complex graphical interfaces though, since I don't know much besides plain HTML and javascipt. |
| 03:34.35 | Marupa | I'm more a 'backend' boy. |
| 03:35.54 | rsimpkins | Marupa: Do you think you meet these job requirments? http://www.omniture.com/career/148 |
| 03:37.01 | Marupa | Bah. My browser's being stupid. Hold on. |
| 03:38.35 | Marupa | Ah. It's not my browser. It's the fact that I'm copying over a huge .nrg |
| 03:39.55 | Marupa | Well...In some areas I meet/exceed, some I don't. |
| 03:40.23 | rsimpkins | Marupa: If you want to send me a resume to rsimpkins@omniture.com with a cover e-mail I'll forward it over to HR. |
| 03:40.36 | rsimpkins | Resume's from employees get looked at closley. |
| 03:40.51 | Marupa | Experience with detailed databases, yes. Solid bg using OO, yes. 2-5 years web development, yes. Experience with PHP, and MYSQL, but not SOAP, XML, MVC, or CSS |
| 03:41.18 | rsimpkins | Marupa: Omniture runs one of the ten largest MySQL installations in the world. |
| 03:42.32 | Marupa | So...If I were to work there I'd have to run catchup all the time. |
| 03:43.05 | rsimpkins | Humm? |
| 03:43.19 | Marupa | I'm not fully qualified, so I wouldn't be much help. |
| 03:43.36 | Marupa | I don't know SOAP/XML/MVC/CSS. ( I know _what_ they are, but that's it) |
| 03:44.05 | rsimpkins | Marupa: None of that stuff is really hard if you have mastered other areas of programming. |
| 03:44.56 | Marupa | Perhaps, but I'm pretty plain when it comes to coding. |
| 03:45.04 | Marupa | Take a look at my gallery, for instance. |
| 03:45.14 | Marupa | http://gallery.marupa.net |
| 03:45.23 | rsimpkins | Well, they may need someone more entry-level to be honest. It still might be worth your time to apply. |
| 03:54.03 | Marupa | Perhaps tomorrow, if I do. Any other suggestions for work? |
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| 03:57.46 | rsimpkins | None that I know of, have you subscribed to the mailing list? |
| 03:57.52 | Marupa | nope |
| 03:58.00 | rsimpkins | http://plug.org/mailman/listinfo/plug |
| 03:58.32 | rsimpkins | Marupa: You might try networking as well. Going to the PLUG meetings can being that process, but networking takes time. |
| 03:58.43 | rsimpkins | s/being/begin/ |
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| 04:06.01 | goozbach | jibberjobber is a good resoruce as well |
| 04:06.12 | elg | -chat about goozbach |
| 04:06.13 | brac | goozbach was asking you to use it(i go to |
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| 04:06.56 | goozbach | yes I was |
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| 04:47.09 | levi_home | elg: ping |
| 04:53.55 | levi_home | Anyone have svn handy? |
| 04:56.22 | macnewbold | levi_home: yeah, I've got it here, why? |
| 04:59.01 | levi_home | macnewbold: Could you try: svn co svn://lifeoflevi.com/var/svn/sweng/trunk |
| 05:00.59 | macnewbold | svn: Can't connect to host 'lifeoflevi.com': Connection refused |
| 05:01.38 | macnewbold | looks like your svn server is down |
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| 05:03.59 | levi_home | Hmm. |
| 05:04.06 | levi_home | it's the firewall config. |
| 05:06.21 | macnewbold | ah |
| 05:06.37 | macnewbold | port 3690 it seems is the subversion port |
| 05:08.29 | levi_home | Yes. Could you try again now? |
| 05:08.49 | levi_home | (I think I forgot to commit the change I made on the web interface to the router) |
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| 05:11.34 | macnewbold | checked out trunk/README to rev 1 |
| 05:11.41 | levi_home | Ahh, good. Thanks. |
| 05:11.43 | macnewbold | This is the repository for the CNS 2450 Group Project |
| 05:11.59 | macnewbold | do I have commit access too? |
| 05:12.04 | macnewbold | ;) |
| 05:12.17 | levi_home | Nope. :) |
| 05:40.03 | tene | Hey, wasn't there a guy with a nick like 'bucky' that trolled a lot in here a while back? |
| 05:40.06 | tene | ~bucky |
| 05:40.08 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, bucky is <say> They'll put you down like a boy in a dress. |
| 05:44.30 | levi_home | tene: Yes, there was. |
| 05:44.35 | levi_home | ~buckybot tene |
| 05:44.37 | ibot | tene: you're a stupid idiot, and I can tell you that all I want, but if you say anything mean to me, I'll start crying and insulting everything I can, because you're discriminating against me! |
| 05:44.39 | tene | Was his nick 'bucky'? |
| 05:44.48 | levi_home | I think so. |
| 05:45.32 | tene | Just saw someone named 'bucky' talking in #perl6, and it looked familiar |
| 05:46.19 | findlay | rsimpkins: I don't care if you kiss your wife |
| 05:46.53 | findlay | I do care if you do it with abandon in my living room when I'm in there |
| 05:47.35 | tene | They were kissing *with abandon*? How dramatic! |
| 05:47.52 | findlay | yes, with abandon |
| 05:48.20 | tene | ... I really need to learn to not respond when you talk about that. It's very impolite of me. |
| 05:48.24 | tene | I apologize. |
| 05:48.39 | findlay | don't mention it |
| 05:49.50 | tene | Too late! I already did! |
| 05:49.56 | tene | Perhaps... time travel will help? |
| 05:50.03 | tene | ~88mph |
| 05:55.01 | maquis | http://tuxgirl.com/IMG_0070.JPG |
| 05:55.27 | tene | maquis: what's that? |
| 05:56.24 | maquis | tene: what do you think it is? |
| 05:57.57 | findlay | I'd say it's a JPG image |
| 05:58.41 | tene | maquis: what is the significance or relevance of that image? |
| 05:59.00 | tene | Did you take it? Are you associated with that location, perhaps? |
| 06:01.42 | findlay | maybe it induces kissing in rampant couples |
| 06:05.51 | maquis | tene: i took it |
| 06:05.58 | maquis | and it's from my parents house |
| 06:06.07 | tene | It's very pretty. :) |
| 06:06.14 | maquis | and i'm rather fond of that particular picture :) |
| 06:06.59 | tene | http://allalone.org/pics/min/Photo_012907_005.jpg -- my girl's rat meeting my family's dog. |
| 06:07.11 | maquis | http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3514.html |
| 06:07.12 | brac | [RFC 3514 (rfc3514) - The Security Flag in the IPv4 Header] |
| 06:07.28 | maquis | tene: cute |
| 06:08.00 | maquis | RFCs are so interesting sometimes |
| 06:08.41 | Newsome | Since we're all showing pictures... http://tuxrocks.com/tmp/CourtDocs.jpg |
| 06:09.21 | maquis | Newsome: cool! |
| 06:09.42 | tene | Heh. A while back I helped a friend out over the weekend doing some re-filing at the legal office he works at. |
| 06:09.46 | maquis | Newsome: are those the ones that sco stuck up on their website with your initials on them? |
| 06:09.54 | Newsome | yes :) |
| 06:09.57 | maquis | :) |
| 06:10.10 | tene | Newsome: eh? what's the story here? |
| 06:10.21 | tene | Sounds like a story. |
| 06:10.30 | maquis | tene: Newsome is famous |
| 06:10.35 | maquis | darl knows who Newsome is |
| 06:10.38 | Newsome | SCO v. {IBM|Novell} documents that I obtained from the courthouse |
| 06:10.45 | maquis | Newsome: does he have a black pick-up, btw? |
| 06:10.49 | tene | Ooo... exciting! |
| 06:11.05 | tene | Newsome: that's not dramatic storytelling at all! |
| 06:11.14 | tene | Where's the suspense? The conflict? |
| 06:11.18 | Newsome | last I checked, he had something like a lexus |
| 06:11.41 | tene | And why were documents on sco's website with your name on them? |
| 06:11.55 | Newsome | so, after SCO figured out that Groklaw and myself were eating their lunch by posting all the court documents |
| 06:12.16 | Newsome | they thought that _they_ could tell the story better... |
| 06:12.54 | Newsome | so they put together a page of all the court documents themselves |
| 06:13.10 | dilvie | um |
| 06:13.44 | Newsome | only, instead of posting their own filings, or getting them from the court, or ... |
| 06:13.51 | dilvie | don't they know that people will only point and laugh? |
| 06:14.04 | Newsome | they downloaded them from my site and posted them as-is |
| 06:14.12 | dilvie | haha |
| 06:14.20 | dilvie | that's hilarious. |
| 06:14.22 | maquis | :) |
| 06:14.27 | tene | That's very entertaining! |
| 06:14.39 | Newsome | when I got them at the courthouse, I copied them from the paper court record |
| 06:15.03 | Newsome | and, since I was getting hundreds of pages at a time, I marked them so that I could tell what filing they were |
| 06:15.48 | Newsome | then, when I scanned them into PDF, they still had my markings in the corner reminding me how I should file them |
| 06:17.07 | Newsome | and since SCO downloaded directly from my site, they posted PDFs that still had all my markings on them |
| 06:17.11 | Newsome | quite easy to spot |
| 06:17.21 | Newsome | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050325210414203 |
| 06:23.12 | maquis | :) |
| 06:23.28 | maquis | Newsome: i still like how darl recognizes you on sight |
| 06:23.46 | Newsome | yes, he's probably pretty happy that I moved away |
| 06:23.57 | tene | why would he be happy about that? |
| 06:24.49 | Newsome | I no longer show up and pester him at speaking engagements, etc |
| 06:25.22 | tene | Ahh, right. |
| 06:25.51 | maquis | tene: why wouldn't be he be happy about it? |
| 06:26.38 | tene | maquis: I'm quite slow tonight. I couldn't quite make the obvious connection. |
| 06:27.05 | maquis | http://youtube.com/watch?v=IiK8Ps9j6hM |
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| 06:40.25 | Supaplex | hi dilvie |
| 06:40.30 | dilvie | hi |
| 06:40.39 | findlay | burning juice! |
| 06:40.59 | Supaplex | Doom juice! |
| 06:41.12 | dilvie | lightroom installer is pissing me off |
| 06:42.08 | Supaplex | -lart lightroom |
| 06:42.33 | dilvie | no, lightroom is great |
| 06:42.38 | dilvie | it's the installer I'm mad at |
| 06:42.44 | dilvie | trynig to upgrade to the 1.0 release |
| 06:42.47 | dilvie | it's not going smoothly. |
| 06:43.02 | Supaplex | constibated bloated installer? |
| 06:43.08 | Supaplex | constipated bloated installer? |
| 06:43.31 | maquis | GRRRR!!!!! |
| 06:44.31 | Supaplex | it even makes maquis mad :) |
| 06:45.11 | dilvie | maybe it just can't find the dll's because I didn't install to the default location. |
| 06:45.16 | dilvie | I'll try again. =) |
| 06:45.26 | dilvie | 20th time is a charm, right? |
| 06:45.43 | maquis | why won't this script run? |
| 06:46.00 | dilvie | I *really* want this software to work. |
| 06:46.44 | maquis | dilvie: join the club :) |
| 06:47.03 | findlay | ~work |
| 06:47.05 | ibot | from memory, work is the integral of the dot product of force and displacement |
| 06:47.41 | findlay | that's Reimann integral, ibot |
| 06:47.45 | findlay | duh |
| 06:47.50 | dilvie | k.. leaving all defaults alone this time.. |
| 06:48.00 | dilvie | express-install style. |
| 06:48.28 | findlay | I find that windows installers have too many <next> buttons |
| 06:50.39 | dilvie | I agree. |
| 06:50.49 | dilvie | I want one setup screen.. |
| 06:50.59 | dilvie | where it collects all the needed info |
| 06:51.04 | dilvie | and then I want it to be hands-off. |
| 06:51.16 | dilvie | how hard would that be? |
| 06:51.57 | findlay | my favorite are those old deals that put up the show screen against which the installation entertainment took place, that all it was was a big window |
| 06:52.12 | findlay | complete with wm decorations |
| 06:54.47 | findlay | ~tire |
| 06:54.49 | ibot | hmm... tire is diff -u tire flat-tire > tire.patch |
| 06:54.57 | findlay | ha ha |
| 06:55.27 | Supaplex | that's not a tire patch, that's a reverse tire patch. |
| 06:56.00 | findlay | unpatch, flat-causation? |
| 06:56.21 | Supaplex | ~tire =~ s/tire flat-tire/flat-tire tire/ |
| 06:56.21 | ibot | OK, Supaplex |
| 06:56.26 | Supaplex | ~tire |
| 06:56.28 | ibot | [tire] diff -u flat-tire tire > tire.patch |
| 06:56.33 | Supaplex | there. |
| 06:56.49 | findlay | clever |
| 07:01.57 | findlay | what? |
| 07:02.08 | findlay | I wasn't done with the yesterday yet |
| 07:02.21 | findlay | s/the // |
| 07:03.32 | Supaplex | well yesterday is HISTORY |
| 07:03.46 | Supaplex | you killed it. |
| 07:03.47 | findlay | how do I know you didn't steal it? |
| 07:04.13 | Supaplex | same charges apply |
| 07:39.55 | findlay | test |
| 07:44.51 | Supaplex | at 11 |
| 07:45.40 | findlay | I think irssi has the most obscure configuration in the history of the world |
| 07:46.55 | Supaplex | right next to sendmail |
| 07:56.22 | findlay | Herbert von Karajan is a genius |
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| 08:03.40 | tene | findlay: obscure how? |
| 08:03.58 | tene | /help network |
| 08:04.03 | Sargun | ? |
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| 10:47.11 | dilvie | http://www.flickr.com/photos/dilvie/sets/72157594565201886/ |
| 10:50.49 | mheath | All sexy in my winter blues :) |
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| 14:09.55 | atoponce | ❤ portableapps.com |
| 14:12.03 | atoponce | my wife can't install software on her pc at work, so i set her up with gaim portable on her thumb drive |
| 14:12.06 | atoponce | very nice |
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| 14:37.17 | elg | morning |
| 14:37.19 | elg | levi: ping |
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| 14:51.54 | goozbach | cool thing of the day award goes to: http://on-ruby.blogspot.com/2007/03/not-your-fathers-pinewood-derby-car.html |
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| 15:06.48 | ScytheBlade1 | asdf |
| 15:06.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Alarm clock, due to DST, thought it was saturday |
| 15:06.59 | ScytheBlade1 | ... and didn't go off. |
| 15:07.32 | graphyx | ScytheBlade1: Is that a bad joke? |
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| 15:07.50 | ScytheBlade1 | graphyx, nope, I'm sitting at home when I should be in school. It thinks that it's a Saturday, when it clearly is not. |
| 15:08.13 | graphyx | How would DST impact which day it was? |
| 15:08.22 | graphyx | Or did a bad update break it? |
| 15:08.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, it can't be updated |
| 15:08.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Why exactly it moved it ahead a day, I know not, but it did |
| 15:11.22 | elg | but dst isn't for another week or two |
| 15:12.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Didn't they move it back a week? |
| 15:13.00 | graphyx | 3 |
| 15:13.15 | ScytheBlade1 | So my alarm clock is just generally broken |
| 15:13.26 | graphyx | probably |
| 15:13.51 | graphyx | and you might not yet be late for class cause time didn't change. |
| 15:13.56 | elg | hehe |
| 15:14.09 | elg | actually it would be beneficial if it did |
| 15:14.23 | elg | then you wouldn't have to hurry |
| 15:14.24 | graphyx | spring forward |
| 15:14.36 | graphyx | meaning that 9:00 now would be 10:00 then |
| 15:14.38 | elg | you're not looking at it with the right perpsective ;-) |
| 15:14.44 | graphyx | I see |
| 15:14.53 | graphyx | ;} |
| 15:16.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh. It'd take me an hour to get there, leaving an hour of actual class time |
| 15:20.39 | elg | -lart emcnabb_afk |
| 15:20.47 | elg | all while afk |
| 15:23.14 | graphyx | yeah that will make him think twice about going afk. |
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| 15:58.44 | jayce_home | so dataw0lf, got a tracking #? :) |
| 16:03.59 | elg | jayce_home^: are you going to try and intercept it? :) |
| 16:04.17 | jayce_home | oh no, I have the parts he just ordered already |
| 16:04.27 | jayce_home | want to see his opinion too |
| 16:04.42 | elg | uhhuh |
| 16:04.57 | jayce_home | see if he'll drive out here to play sometime :) |
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| 16:16.43 | dataw0lf | jayce_home: 3pm today |
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| 16:21.42 | sjansen | http://brainrow.com/2007/02/15/that-was-easy-dot-text.html |
| 16:22.41 | dataw0lf | jayce_home: what's your preferred online pb store? |
| 16:22.51 | jayce_home | varies, often use actionvillage |
| 16:23.09 | jayce_home | do a lot through team contacts though |
| 16:23.14 | dataw0lf | ya |
| 16:24.14 | dataw0lf | I've been using xtremez.com, seems like some pretty good deals. |
| 16:24.30 | jayce_home | often, eyah |
| 16:27.41 | maquis | DST is 3-11 |
| 16:29.58 | sjansen | MPQ is 7-42 |
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| 16:33.14 | sjansen | ~greet TimRiker |
| 16:33.16 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on TimRiker |
| 16:45.28 | TimRiker | ~bzfrag sjansen |
| 16:45.34 | ibot | ACTION fries sjansen with a laser |
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| 16:58.49 | sjansen | ~travolta TimRiker |
| 16:58.51 | ibot | ACTION replaces TimRiker with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
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| 17:00.08 | ^Migs^ | an |
| 17:00.12 | ^Migs^ | oops |
| 17:00.22 | levi | What about an oops? |
| 17:04.23 | dataw0lf | ksymoops |
| 17:04.58 | atoponce | ali oops |
| 17:10.57 | sjansen | oop oop alley alley oop oop alley |
| 17:11.37 | elg | levi,sjansen: "the joy that is string processing in Erlang" - is that in earnest or facetious? I don't know enough about erlang yet to know |
| 17:12.05 | sjansen | Erlang barely has the concept of strings. Very, very facetious. |
| 17:12.09 | levi | I guessed it was facetious. |
| 17:12.15 | levi | Strings are lists of bytes. |
| 17:12.24 | jayce_home | coming from sjansen, wise assumption |
| 17:12.48 | elg | that's what I was afraid of. :) |
| 17:13.01 | levi | As they are in Haskell, though Haskell has added a new, efficient string representation. |
| 17:13.31 | levi | I would rather work with lists of bytes than null-terminated arrays of bytes, though. |
| 17:14.10 | elg | levi: do you think it would be easy or hard to write a DSL with erlang? |
| 17:14.48 | sjansen | I'd rather work with true Unicode strings without worrying too much about how're they're implemented. |
| 17:15.51 | levi | It's not a very syntactically-flexible language, so I would say that it would be far from my top choice for writing DSLs. |
| 17:16.16 | sjansen | UTF-8, UTF-16, UTF-32, lists, arrays, I don't care as long as my code behaves the same no matter the current implementation. |
| 17:16.24 | levi | However, the language is /simple/ and the constructs it has are very powerful. |
| 17:17.26 | levi | sjansen: That is indeed the new way of doing strings, and I agree that it is good. Languages that were created before Unicode, though, didn't have the luxury of knowing how it would work. |
| 17:18.42 | levi | Erlang's strengths don't lie in the string-processing department. It's not going to take over as your favorite scripting language, certainly. |
| 17:19.14 | levi | But it's excellent for taking apart network protocols and handling them in an extremely reliable and scalable way. |
| 17:20.37 | levi | It's also a fairly practical way to learn about how Hoare's concept of Communicating Sequential Processes works in practice. |
| 17:20.49 | dataw0lf | levi: you checked out the yaws code? |
| 17:20.54 | levi | dataw0lf: Nope. |
| 17:20.58 | sjansen | I realize that. I also find it amusing that one of the best known erlang apps (ejabberd) implements a text based network protocol. |
| 17:21.03 | dataw0lf | pretty cool |
| 17:21.53 | elg | levi: what about text-based network protocols, like sip? |
| 17:23.58 | levi | elg: I don't really know. Given the existence of ejabberd and yaws, it probably isn't too awful. :) |
| 17:24.38 | elg | people write these things in C too, you know ;-) |
| 17:25.10 | levi | Well, good luck structuring a C server as a set of communicating sequential processes! |
| 17:25.19 | elg | no kidding |
| 17:25.47 | levi | The text parsing tasks in a typical text-based network protocol aren't too difficult, even in C. |
| 17:25.56 | elg | what about interaction with other languages, e.g. writing pieces in a dynamic library (e.g. with C or whatever) |
| 17:26.07 | elg | yeah, very true |
| 17:26.41 | elg | if you read my latest blog post you'll know why I'm asking all these questions. :) My biggest worry about erlang at the moment is the DSL thing |
| 17:26.49 | levi | I haven't looked at that in detail, but I understand that people often write C extensions. |
| 17:27.49 | elg | so worst case maybe enlist lex/yacc |
| 17:29.30 | elg | sigh. I should do my homework instead of learning erlang right now |
| 17:30.25 | levi | Well, you can also send erlang messages from other languages. |
| 17:31.02 | levi | So even if the server itself is written in erlang, there's no need to write scripts in erlang. |
| 17:31.43 | sjansen | elg: My biggest concern about an erlang based solution is that it requires the admin to know something about erlang. |
| 17:32.09 | sjansen | Specifically getting the erlang server components talking to each other. |
| 17:32.39 | sjansen | I tried to install ejabberd on my personal server, but never could get the children to talk to the master. |
| 17:33.19 | sjansen | Based on error messages and a little googling, I think the problem was hostname related, but I didn't have time to delve deep enough into erlang's architecture to solve the problem. |
| 17:33.42 | sjansen | So I gave up and installed a memory hungry Java solution instead. :-( |
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| 17:34.46 | sjansen | My point is that erlang is an odd enough duck, you'd need to document not only your app but basic erlang server maintenance. |
| 17:36.48 | levi | sjansen: Exposing people to new, worthwhile architectures is worth it. |
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| 17:37.48 | levi | C, Java, C++, etc. are insufficient languages for the future of computing. Erlang probably is too, but it's got pieces that I think are essential to where things seem to be going. |
| 17:40.35 | elg | sjansen: I have that concern too, but I think it can be mitigated with some TLC. Maybe i'm overoptimistic |
| 17:41.07 | elg | i.e. a shell script with some variables. should work out of the box, but if it doesn't you just change variables |
| 17:41.18 | elg | if you're an odd duck, then you get to learn about another odd duck too |
| 17:41.28 | findlay | but can you figure out what the variables are? |
| 17:41.39 | findlay | (something that I can't say for irssi configuration) |
| 17:42.14 | levi | Heh. |
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| 17:42.49 | findlay | levi: is a short laugh really a complete sentence? |
| 17:43.27 | levi | findlay: Not a very formal one, but yes. |
| 17:43.36 | findlay | Hm. |
| 17:43.44 | elg | yeah but irssi config is really just perl scripts |
| 17:44.06 | findlay | elg: except that I can't figure out what they're trying to say |
| 17:44.16 | levi | Well, duh. It's perl. |
| 17:44.21 | elg | that's a given |
| 17:44.21 | findlay | s/trying to// |
| 17:44.55 | findlay | well, I've seen lots more readable perl before |
| 17:45.07 | findlay | I don't think it's given for perl |
| 17:46.04 | elg | readable perl is the exceptoin |
| 17:46.50 | jayce_home | ~lart elg |
| 17:47.02 | findlay | ~migs elg |
| 17:47.10 | ibot | ACTION forces elg to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 17:47.11 | elg | written by exceptional slackers like jayce_home |
| 17:47.35 | sjansen | levi: Exposing programmers and software architects, sure. Exposing sysadmins? Isn't their plate full enough? |
| 17:57.18 | levi | sjansen: If all the stuff they had to administer was written with the language features and philosophy of Erlang, their lives would be much easier. |
| 17:57.18 | findlay | heh, the promise of any new technology |
| 17:57.35 | findlay | of course I can't judge because I know nothing of erlang |
| 17:57.37 | levi | findlay: Well, it wouldn't be hard to deliver, considering most sysadmins deal 90% with stuff programmed in C/C++. |
| 17:58.10 | findlay | levi: and bash, python, perl, and occasionally ruby? |
| 17:58.53 | levi | findlay: That would be in the other 10%. |
| 17:59.00 | findlay | I see |
| 17:59.02 | QBFreak | can I go home now? |
| 17:59.09 | QBFreak | these computers hate me, I want to come back when they're gone |
| 17:59.09 | findlay | ~home QBFreak |
| 17:59.29 | QBFreak | /dev/null |
| 17:59.43 | sjansen | QBFreak: It's friday, what are you even doing at work? |
| 18:00.00 | QBFreak | tearing out hair and screaming mostly |
| 18:00.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Good answer |
| 18:00.47 | QBFreak | I want to call this guy and tell him to bring it back after he has purged ME off the system, but thats not very customer friendly |
| 18:01.42 | findlay | nor very ME friendly |
| 18:01.59 | QBFreak | I hate WinME more than I hate Win98 |
| 18:02.14 | QBFreak | and the machine is a P4 for crying out loud, what was Dell thinking? |
| 18:02.57 | levi | The interesting thing about the Erlang philosophy is that it assumes that code is buggy and is going to break, so it provides tiers of service and mechanisms for tearing down and restarting misbehaving processes. It also lets you fix things in a running system without taking it completely down. |
| 18:03.23 | findlay | so does it account for cosmic rays? |
| 18:04.30 | levi | findlay: Not specifically, but as I said, it assumes there will be errors and is set up to let affected components fail fast and recover quickly. |
| 18:05.12 | findlay | ooh |
| 18:05.19 | levi | findlay: It's the systems that assume that the bugs have been found and removed that are most vulnerable to things like cosmic rays. |
| 18:05.41 | elg | not to mention sting rays |
| 18:05.43 | findlay | or failing hardware |
| 18:06.01 | findlay | a sting ray is probably fatal to any system |
| 18:06.16 | levi | Sting rays are generally not fatal. |
| 18:06.27 | QBFreak | what if they get in the power supply? |
| 18:06.29 | dataw0lf | hardly ever. |
| 18:06.33 | levi | Poor Steve Erwin just got really unlucky. |
| 18:07.00 | findlay | yeah. That was an unfortunate tragedy |
| 18:07.45 | Lone_Wanderer | I heard that there are three total recorded deaths from sting rays |
| 18:07.52 | Lone_Wanderer | ever |
| 18:09.28 | dataw0lf | mm, I think it's more than that. |
| 18:10.09 | Lone_Wanderer | 17 |
| 18:10.31 | Lone_Wanderer | according to Surf Life Saving Australia |
| 18:10.35 | maquis | my dad has had sting-rays chew on his hair |
| 18:10.46 | Lone_Wanderer | they can chew? |
| 18:11.43 | maquis | well... maybe it was more like sucking |
| 18:11.58 | tensai | they're predators. I expect they have teeth. |
| 18:12.07 | elg | they can bite |
| 18:12.13 | elg | though it's uncommon because the mouth is on the bottom |
| 18:12.15 | maquis | they had a girl diving with them too, and her hair was in quite a few stingrays' mouths |
| 18:12.16 | elg | where you usually aren't |
| 18:12.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I wonder if human hair resembles stuff they usually eat |
| 18:12.33 | elg | they like girl hair more? |
| 18:12.59 | maquis | elg: nah... they just have more accessible hair |
| 18:13.08 | Lone_Wanderer | well, girl hair is generally nicer than boy hair. |
| 18:13.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Smells better. |
| 18:13.15 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: not really... i think it was just something new and they were figuring out what it is |
| 18:13.37 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 18:13.44 | maquis | never been scuba diving, though |
| 18:13.47 | Lone_Wanderer | like babies. "Hmm, I don't know what this is. Better put it in my mouth." |
| 18:13.50 | maquis | my dad scuba dives a lot, though |
| 18:13.55 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: you know why babies do that, right? |
| 18:14.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Tell him to look out for pirate ghosts. |
| 18:14.31 | elg | maquis: because they know it annoys parents? |
| 18:14.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes, it's because they haven't been through Laboratory Safety classes yet. I was in college before I learned not to put things which may be deadly in my mouth. |
| 18:14.54 | findlay | heh |
| 18:15.10 | findlay | Lone_Wanderer: what does HCl taste like? |
| 18:15.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Luckily I got a job in a potato pathology lab. |
| 18:15.34 | dataw0lf | mmmm poison potatoes |
| 18:15.51 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know, but once I opened a new jar of HCl and accidentally caught a whiff of the mist that was coming off of it |
| 18:16.13 | Lone_Wanderer | wow. that'll knock a bull down at twenty paces. |
| 18:16.53 | findlay | did it have any color or flavor to it, or was it just pungent without scent? |
| 18:17.06 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't remember |
| 18:17.28 | Lone_Wanderer | It was similar to ammonia, only it produced a more visceral reaction. |
| 18:17.34 | findlay | hm |
| 18:17.38 | redbeard1 | ~lart harleypig |
| 18:17.52 | findlay | amonium hydroxide is basic though |
| 18:17.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, I recommend the experience to anyone who hasn't had it. |
| 18:17.57 | harleypig | *mmmff* *MMMMFFF* |
| 18:18.07 | atoponce | who uses ichat here? |
| 18:18.20 | elg | who could stand to use ichat? |
| 18:18.24 | elg | what a piece of trash |
| 18:18.25 | Lone_Wanderer | It's kind of cool how your body can completely override your conscious decision to do something. |
| 18:18.34 | sjansen | My sister was once bitten by a moose. |
| 18:18.37 | elg | esp. when the best IM client ever written is available for that platform |
| 18:18.39 | atoponce | elg: my coworkers use it |
| 18:18.48 | dataw0lf | iChat? what is that, an OS X product? |
| 18:18.53 | elg | yeah |
| 18:18.57 | dataw0lf | ah |
| 18:19.00 | Lone_Wanderer | dw: yes, and I don't like it. |
| 18:19.05 | elg | atoponce: tell them to get adium |
| 18:19.16 | jsmith | elg: Amen! |
| 18:19.18 | atoponce | elg: trying to get them to connect to a group chat room on my jabber server |
| 18:19.19 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: I took a whiff of some 100% pure ammonia once. Wow. |
| 18:19.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, this was 100% HCl. |
| 18:19.45 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Some guy who worked at a chemical plant had some. He used it to clean his airbrush or something. |
| 18:19.46 | findlay | levi: you mean 12 molar ammonia? |
| 18:19.47 | atoponce | will adium connect to a group chat room on a jabber network |
| 18:20.00 | elg | atoponce: sure |
| 18:20.01 | jayce_home | just wish adium had video |
| 18:20.09 | Lone_Wanderer | I bet it cleaned your head out good. |
| 18:20.14 | findlay | heh |
| 18:20.16 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Yeah. |
| 18:20.22 | atoponce | they're not interested in adium |
| 18:20.25 | atoponce | i tried |
| 18:20.37 | atoponce | so, will ichat connect to a group chat room on jabber? |
| 18:20.47 | elg | say no |
| 18:20.55 | elg | without checking |
| 18:21.02 | elg | that's the way to purge a stupid program from coworkers |
| 18:21.07 | atoponce | yeah. i'm not seeing it |
| 18:21.08 | elg | nothing else works |
| 18:21.18 | elg | sorry, dude. windows just can't do that |
| 18:21.29 | sjansen | "I asked around and couldn't find a way to connect iChat to a chat room." |
| 18:21.48 | sjansen | s/asked/even asked/ |
| 18:21.55 | elg | see sjansen for the honest approach |
| 18:22.12 | elg | ;-) |
| 18:23.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Leave out the fact that you asked people who don't like ichat, for best results. |
| 18:24.25 | sjansen | "I'm not a Mac expert, but here's a program I know works well..." |
| 18:25.32 | sjansen | "I think I saw an article once that said that's broken in Win ME..." |
| 18:26.12 | sjansen | "Everything I've ever heard says that shouldn't't be tried with Win ME..." |
| 18:27.00 | maquis | elg: it's because the nerves on the tongue are more sensitive than elsewhere and develop earlier, so they can learn more about an object if they stick it in their mouth |
| 18:27.02 | sjansen | "I've had so much trouble with Win ME and read so many things bad about it, maybe we'd be better off if we tried this with a different OS..." |
| 18:28.13 | sjansen | "I'd love to help you, but I've had so many problems with Win ME I can't give you any guarantees, and I've got so many other things going on I'm only going be to be able to promise you 30 minutes this week..." |
| 18:29.21 | redbeard1 | sjansen: trained, certified monkeys? |
| 18:29.40 | sjansen | "It's not your fault. Your expectation was perfectly reasonable. Unfortunately, this particular problem is probably Microsoft's fault, and I'm not sure we can do much about it..." |
| 18:30.30 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.34 | findlay | levi: why do you think I'm old fashioned |
| 18:33.33 | sjansen | Even RHCE's can be paper admins, but in my experience very few unqualified people pass the RHCE exam. |
| 18:34.07 | redbeard1 | i just think it's funny that you called them monkeys |
| 18:34.15 | redbeard1 | monkeys are comedy gold, every time |
| 18:38.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Pirates too. Throw together a monkey and a pirate and you're guaranteed to get laughs. |
| 18:39.39 | redbeard1 | how many monkeys and pirates does it take to change a lightbulb? |
| 18:40.41 | sjansen | None, it can't be done. The pirates and monkeys spend the entire time fighting ninjas. |
| 18:41.01 | redbeard1 | sjansen, good answer. |
| 18:41.17 | redbeard1 | i'm glad you answered that one, because i had no idea |
| 18:41.36 | Lone_Wanderer | monkeys and pirates don't change lightbulbs. they pillage villages, then use the money to hire a saucy wench to change it for them. |
| 18:41.39 | levi | findlay: Because you listen to nothing but classical music and you complain about how the kids these days just want to make out. ;) |
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| 18:50.17 | emcnabb | http://notsonoisy.com/spaceinvaders/index.html |
| 18:50.19 | brac | [SPACE INVADERS | Guillaume Reymond | video performance] |
| 18:52.47 | beandog | lol, I love the red shirts |
| 18:53.14 | beandog | that is great |
| 18:55.15 | sjansen | tene: I should have used the word "derive" instead of "find". People alter your memory (with appropriate grammar changes) to reflect the change. |
| 18:56.57 | harleypig | They should do donkey kong next. |
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| 18:57.47 | elg | -lart emcnabb_not_afk |
| 19:01.13 | levi | elg: Ahh, you're back. I put a comment on your blog relating to an Erlang SIP server I found. |
| 19:01.33 | elg | levi_home: I've seen yxa, i didn't mention it because i haven't looked at it closely enough to see if it's relevant |
| 19:01.45 | elg | but yeah, it deserves a look before I go off half-cocked and write my own :) |
| 19:02.17 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: you run into any problems with the A-5 RT ? |
| 19:02.22 | dataw0lf | mine is a little twitchy |
| 19:02.32 | levi | elg: Also, have you seen this?: http://cean.process-one.net/ |
| 19:02.35 | brac | [Comprehensive Erlang Archive Network] |
| 19:04.57 | levi | Time for me to go home for lunch. |
| 19:23.13 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37941 |
| 19:23.22 | Lone_Wanderer | QQ more, noobs. |
| 19:25.27 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm, brac didn't give us the title. It's "Vista activation cracked by brute force." |
| 19:43.16 | beandog | suh-weeet |
| 19:43.20 | beandog | ivtv is going in .22 kernel |
| 19:43.20 | beandog | :D |
| 19:46.35 | sjansen | ivtv? Man, what does it say about our society when even Linux has support for intravenous delivery of television. |
| 19:46.54 | dataw0lf | shhh, I'm trying to absorb Lost over here |
| 19:47.49 | beandog | that shouldnt take more than two braincells, dataw0lf |
| 19:50.57 | Supaplex | two? wow, they've moved up for the previous 100 particle requirement. |
| 19:51.01 | sjansen | beandog: Have you been following Lost? I'm pretty sure low end super computers have a hard time following the plot line. |
| 19:51.19 | beandog | heh |
| 19:51.25 | beandog | ive seen bits and pieces |
| 19:51.28 | beandog | looks pretty dumb. |
| 19:51.45 | beandog | yet another good storyline idea to start with until someone decided to drag it out 50x longer than they should. |
| 19:52.00 | sjansen | Lost = Soap Opera + Sci-Fi/Action |
| 19:52.00 | beandog | youd think it would kill tv producers to end something on a good note. |
| 19:52.04 | tensai | beandog: precisely |
| 19:52.20 | tensai | if they screw up Heroes like that, so help me I'll stop watching that too |
| 19:53.37 | tensai | it makes sense financially. if you make $10 for a good season but lose 50% every crappy season after you jump the shark, there's no incentive to stop at the peak. |
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| 19:55.16 | beandog | yahp |
| 19:55.28 | beandog | it makes sense morally to clobber them in the head with a garden rake |
| 19:55.34 | sjansen | If they cared about artistic integrity, they wouldn't be on network TV. They'd be on cable, in film, or forever doomed to twilight existence of graduate students. |
| 19:56.04 | beandog | or youtube |
| 19:56.10 | beandog | where all the real suppressed artists hang. |
| 19:56.22 | Supaplex | it's all about milking the advertisers for as much as they can try for |
| 19:59.52 | beandog | yah |
| 19:59.54 | beandog | thats true. |
| 20:00.07 | beandog | as long as its a good financial investment, who cares about the quality |
| 20:00.11 | beandog | aside from the audience. |
| 20:00.27 | beandog | there's just no shame in the entertainment industry |
| 20:01.31 | tensai | the juxatoposition of those two is where the problem lies. entertainment & industry. |
| 20:02.13 | beandog | hmm |
| 20:02.14 | beandog | good point. |
| 20:14.02 | mheath | yah |
| 20:14.16 | mheath | Now here this, now here this.....Libbeerrrrty CALL! |
| 20:15.07 | harleypig | Ah. Mario Kart DS |
| 20:17.30 | mheath | Verizon told me what I expected. |
| 20:17.40 | mheath | No plans to improve coverage |
| 20:17.51 | mheath | Which means that I can get out of their contract without penalty |
| 20:18.46 | mheath | goozbach, around? |
| 20:19.04 | graphyx | mheath: I am sorry to hear that. Were you hoping to eat italian food? |
| 20:19.21 | mheath | Perhaps I should rephrase |
| 20:19.27 | mheath | I am going out to eat with 15 good friends tonight. |
| 20:19.49 | graphyx | mheath: I just have strong biases against olive garden. |
| 20:19.53 | mheath | graphyx, my other options were Applebees, Hooters, or Outback steak house. |
| 20:20.02 | graphyx | Having lived in Italy for 2 years |
| 20:20.20 | mrpull-_ | its a chain, but I love outback |
| 20:20.42 | sjansen | outback-- |
| 20:20.58 | mrpull-_ | graphyx: where do you get good (in your eyes) italian in Utah? |
| 20:21.00 | sjansen | applebees-- |
| 20:21.11 | sjansen | Cheesecake Factory++ |
| 20:21.20 | graphyx | Otavios was good |
| 20:21.30 | graphyx | Beuna Vita is good |
| 20:21.37 | graphyx | these being happy valley |
| 20:21.38 | mrpull-_ | Otavios is tasty |
| 20:21.45 | mheath | I got out of class 60 minutes early, too |
| 20:21.49 | mheath | Which is always good :) |
| 20:22.04 | mrpull-_ | graphyx: what do you think of Buca De Bepo (sp?) |
| 20:22.19 | graphyx | There is actually a large number of true italian places in provo |
| 20:22.28 | graphyx | mrpull Not familiar with that |
| 20:22.46 | mrpull-_ | its a chain too... but they serve HUGE family size portions |
| 20:22.48 | mrpull-_ | it is tasty |
| 20:22.53 | graphyx | nike |
| 20:22.55 | graphyx | nice |
| 20:22.58 | mrpull-_ | i've only been to the one in Las Vegas, but there are a couple in SLC now |
| 20:24.07 | mheath | <sjansen> applebees-- |
| 20:24.11 | mheath | No Hooters-- ? |
| 20:24.20 | graphyx | mheath: I would say outback |
| 20:24.26 | graphyx | if you were asking |
| 20:24.33 | mheath | Sorry, it's already been voted on |
| 20:24.37 | mheath | I just got a "Hey, want to come?" |
| 20:27.52 | elg | your puppy? |
| 20:28.05 | mheath | Eh> |
| 20:28.07 | mheath | ? |
| 20:28.37 | SpecialZ | mheath: between girl scout cookies and Olive Garden, I'm afraid you're $10,000 in assets is disappearing rapidly |
| 20:29.06 | mheath | SpecialZ, The $10,000 is permanent assets. Savings, TSP, etc. |
| 20:30.20 | mrpull-_ | mheath: at some point you ought to keep your financial info to yourself :) |
| 20:30.22 | elg | tensai: is heroes any good? |
| 20:30.54 | SpecialZ | Well, you got me beat for another couple months. Oh, wait that includes a car. Nevermind. |
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| 20:31.22 | mrpull-_ | elg: heroes is fun. i usually don't follow scifi but I like it |
| 20:31.37 | elg | what exactly is it about? |
| 20:31.44 | mrpull-_ | i am a few weeks behind though... time to catch up |
| 20:32.08 | mrpull-_ | classic comic book story |
| 20:32.20 | mrpull-_ | bunch of people are mutants and have special powers |
| 20:32.26 | sjansen | mrpull-_: Heroes is hardly scifi. |
| 20:32.43 | mrpull-_ | sci-fi-ish |
| 20:32.54 | sjansen | At best, it's populist, border, fringe scifi. |
| 20:33.16 | sjansen | elg: It's about a bunch of ordinary people with extraordinary powers. "Heroes", if you will. |
| 20:33.18 | mrpull-_ | sjansen: true. that is probably why it appeals to me. i have simple taste |
| 20:33.29 | graphyx | mheath: or at least keep those dealings with those you trust not to throw them out personally. |
| 20:33.53 | mheath | He said I was spending too much money. |
| 20:33.56 | mheath | I corrected him. |
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| 20:34.50 | sjansen | New York is going to blow up. Some of them know and are trying to stop it. Others don't know and are trying to get by. Others are evil and... well... being evil. |
| 20:35.17 | ti`ocpi | That sounds like Heroes plot ..... |
| 20:35.17 | graphyx | going out to eat every once in a while isn't a large drain on money. |
| 20:35.21 | graphyx | that is true |
| 20:36.06 | elg | so is it worth downloading and watching |
| 20:36.11 | graphyx | so it looks like scox stock is finally back down to where it was prior to the whole linux lie. |
| 20:36.22 | elg | that is my question. not, "is it worth watching when it comes on if I have nothing else to do" |
| 20:36.25 | graphyx | which is good |
| 20:36.31 | elg | because I don't think it airs on PBS :) |
| 20:36.37 | sjansen | graphyx: Are you including the whole reverse split or whatever a few years ago? |
| 20:36.46 | graphyx | no |
| 20:36.56 | graphyx | I just say it back at 1/share |
| 20:37.09 | graphyx | are you saving that it is at 1/2 where it started? |
| 20:37.15 | sjansen | It's been at $1/share for awhile. Occasionally dipping below. |
| 20:37.37 | elg | maybe you all who have TV reception have seen this, but I just did for the first time. funny. http://images.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac/apple-getamac-security_480x376.mov |
| 20:37.38 | graphyx | yeah |
| 20:37.58 | sjansen | s/awhile/a while/ |
| 20:38.06 | sjansen | tensai: That was for you. ;-) |
| 20:39.36 | graphyx | elg: that is amuzing a bit |
| 20:40.01 | elg | i like the link sjansen posted earlier about speech recognition |
| 20:40.25 | elg | guy trying to write perl with speech recognition in notepad |
| 20:40.31 | elg | that has to take brains |
| 20:41.42 | graphyx | -urls |
| 20:41.42 | brac | [2007/03/02 13:38:02] <elg> http://images.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac/apple-getamac-security_480x376.mov |
| 20:41.42 | brac | [2007/03/02 12:23:14] <Lone_Wanderer> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37941 |
| 20:41.42 | brac | [2007/03/02 12:02:35] <levi> http://cean.process-one.net/ |
| 20:41.42 | brac | [2007/03/02 11:50:19] <emcnabb> http://notsonoisy.com/spaceinvaders/index.html |
| 20:41.52 | graphyx | which one was that? |
| 20:42.46 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.19 | harleypig | Ohnoes!!!1!! Terrorists can use Second Life to recruit and train and transfer money! |
| 20:55.05 | Lone_Wanderer | I do not scroll this conflict. |
| 20:57.08 | levi | Heh, he keeps saying 'thank you'. |
| 20:57.19 | graphyx | elg: that was almost as bad as watching the breakup |
| 21:05.47 | Lone_Wanderer | there are so many ways that could be better |
| 21:09.51 | elg | the breakup of what? a comet? |
| 21:09.53 | dataw0lf | harleypig: those goddamn terrorists |
| 21:09.58 | elg | an asteroid? a meteor p erhaps |
| 21:11.56 | emcnabb | sjansen: I'm going to the Cheesecake Factory this evening |
| 21:12.16 | emcnabb | my parents are coming in town, and if they want to see the baby.... :-) |
| 21:14.14 | Lone_Wanderer | emcnabb: you in Boston, or are there Cheesecake Factories in other places as well? |
| 21:14.19 | harleypig | dataw0lf: Those moronic security types ... |
| 21:14.53 | emcnabb | Lone_Wanderer: in Raleigh NC |
| 21:14.58 | emcnabb | they are in most major cities |
| 21:15.08 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 21:15.24 | emcnabb | http://thecheesecakefactory.com/locations.htm |
| 21:15.24 | brac | [The Cheesecake Factory :: Locations :.] |
| 21:15.25 | tensai | elg: it's a lot like X Men. I enjoy it. The Japanese on there is done really well. The translations are excellent. |
| 21:15.58 | emcnabb | hum, looks like there is on in Durham too |
| 21:17.42 | harleypig | I must admit ... the idea of being able to talk my code is interesting ... You could give a whole talk in code and allow people to transfer it via audio ... |
| 21:18.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Hardly what I'd call compression. |
| 21:18.25 | harleypig | ? What's compression got to do with anythin? |
| 21:19.14 | redbeard1 | Lone_Wanderer: that's a lot of lumber |
| 21:19.20 | Lone_Wanderer | lumber? |
| 21:19.31 | redbeard1 | lumber. |
| 21:19.32 | jayce_home | redbeard1, agreed |
| 21:19.45 | harleypig | lumbar? |
| 21:20.19 | harleypig | jayce_home: Have you seen the BF: Bad Company Teaser? |
| 21:20.30 | jayce_home | ? |
| 21:20.50 | harleypig | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=5&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gametrailers.com%2Fcgplayer.php%3Fid%3D17334&ei=Wo3oRY2HIqH-gwPr8Zz9CQ&usg=__7pUT3qEv4txtGPlXnOR6xAFg1Ns=&sig2=23XE7hAtCp3LvAt5V4WKjg |
| 21:20.52 | brac | [Battlefield: Bad Company - Teaser] |
| 21:20.54 | harleypig | ow. |
| 21:20.57 | harleypig | sorry about that. |
| 21:21.04 | harleypig | I didn't realize it was that much garbage. |
| 21:21.24 | harleypig | The environment is fully destructive. |
| 21:21.28 | redbeard1 | Lone_Wanderer: http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/070122.html |
| 21:21.42 | redbeard1 | read the post under the comic |
| 21:21.48 | harleypig | If your opponent hides behind a wall you can blow down the wall. |
| 21:23.24 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, clever |
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| 21:29.16 | elg | whoa that was weird. i was trying to type with my fingers one key to the left, and my brain switched to dvorak for some reason |
| 21:30.29 | redbeard1 | Jayce: wait a minute. his proof only holds true if there's a hamiltonian cycle as well as a path! |
| 21:30.56 | jayce_home | you should write that down |
| 21:30.56 | dataw0lf | what's Jayce doing at home anyways, the lazy b... |
| 21:31.03 | jayce_home | :) |
| 21:31.04 | levi | Ahh, perspective. :) |
| 21:31.14 | dataw0lf | redbeard1: I see you've read the latest xkcd |
| 21:31.31 | redbeard1 | the latest what? |
| 21:31.32 | dataw0lf | *awesome* |
| 21:31.39 | dataw0lf | listen sir, you don't fool me |
| 21:33.03 | beandog | heh |
| 21:33.52 | dataw0lf | I showed that comic to my girlfriend, and she wasn't amused. |
| 21:34.07 | dataw0lf | probably because I sit in bed with a laptop hacking Django and excitedly commenting on various aspects. |
| 21:34.28 | QBFreak | sheldon is awesome |
| 21:35.26 | dataw0lf | I once woke up at 2 am and couldn't go back to sleep, so I was screwing around with generic templates in Django and came up with a really cool solution for whatever I was doing at the time, and woke my gf up with an elbow to the side |
| 21:35.30 | dataw0lf | she wasn't pleased |
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| 21:38.42 | levi | Heh. |
| 21:39.04 | levi | girlfriends/wives are generally not enthusiastic about hacking in bed. |
| 21:39.10 | dataw0lf | it's true |
| 21:39.13 | dataw0lf | for some reason |
| 21:39.56 | redbeard1 | is that what my wife is always mad about? well, that explains a few things |
| 21:39.56 | redbeard1 | hmm. i've said too much. |
| 21:39.56 | dataw0lf | :-D |
| 21:59.32 | mrpull-_ | beds are for two things |
| 21:59.57 | mrpull-_ | computers is not one of them |
| 22:00.18 | maquis | levi: there are exceptions, of course.... |
| 22:00.41 | levi | mrpull: People who think that are simply not thinking very creatively. |
| 22:01.44 | JoshH | i have to concur with levi |
| 22:01.49 | tene | Hehe, this is silly. |
| 22:01.49 | tene | a stock-pumping spam with the subject "Exploitation in progress" |
| 22:01.50 | mrpull-_ | i've always learned that if you want to sleep well you shouldn't read/watch tv/etc in bed |
| 22:02.20 | jayce_home | tene, got that today too |
| 22:03.28 | levi | mrpull-_: So they say. Do you believe everything they say? ;) |
| 22:03.32 | JoshH | mrpull-_: i've had it both ways and in my experience it doesn't make a lot of difference in the quality of your sleep |
| 22:04.00 | mrpull-_ | JoshH: but it can make a difference in the quality of purpose #2 :) |
| 22:04.14 | JoshH | that depends |
| 22:04.32 | ^Migs^ | dataw0lf, do you usually do that to your wife when you discover something cool? |
| 22:04.50 | mrpull-_ | hrrmm... time to change the subject |
| 22:04.54 | levi | Well, you generally stop whatever other activities you were using the bed for when engaging in either of the two sanctioned activities. |
| 22:04.57 | JoshH | sometimes certain types of material on the television can be very conducive to that purpose |
| 22:05.05 | ^Migs^ | hold on, does your wife just get in bed when you're asleep, then out of nowhere start talking to you even though you're asleep and wake you up? |
| 22:05.12 | mrpull-_ | what is the dope on clustering Postgres these days? |
| 22:05.14 | ^Migs^ | because that's really annoying |
| 22:05.43 | levi | JoshH: Unfortunately, the type of material differs for men and women. ;) |
| 22:05.52 | tene | If my wife found something excited she wanted to share with me, I wouldn't mind so much being woken up. |
| 22:05.54 | ^Migs^ | then you can't get back to sleep for the rest of the night |
| 22:06.03 | findlay | ~sleep ^Migs^ |
| 22:06.05 | ibot | ACTION sends ^Migs^ to bed without supper |
| 22:06.06 | tene | ^Migs^: your sleep-fu sucks |
| 22:06.06 | ^Migs^ | yeah, but this isn't even exciting stuff. Just random run-of-the-mill conversation. |
| 22:06.23 | ^Migs^ | Just as if I was awake and we were already having a conversation |
| 22:06.39 | levi | I almost never go to bed before my wife, so I don't have that problem. |
| 22:06.44 | tene | Yeah, that would be irritating |
| 22:06.46 | ^Migs^ | Apparently this happens to a lot of husbands |
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| 22:07.30 | redbeard1 | dilvie! |
| 22:07.54 | tene | If you can't go back to sleep after a minor interruption, that's abnormal and a problem. |
| 22:08.04 | redbeard1 | dilvie, is this you? http://www.dilvie.com/ |
| 22:08.26 | ^Migs^ | well usually I can go back to sleep, but sometimes you just have a restless night |
| 22:08.35 | ^Migs^ | it's like you had a powernap or something |
| 22:08.36 | JoshH | tene: agreed, if there is a good reason for being woken up, it shouldn't be a problem |
| 22:08.41 | ^Migs^ | agreed |
| 22:08.47 | tene | My understanding is that it's pretty normal to wake up and fall asleep again a few times through the night. |
| 22:09.00 | JoshH | now if she is waking you up to complain about how you didn't do a chore that you promised to do earlier, that's a different story |
| 22:09.05 | ^Migs^ | if there was something pretty important or really exciting, like a tornado coming through the city |
| 22:09.10 | ^Migs^ | yeah, that's dumb, Josh |
| 22:09.16 | dilvie | hi |
| 22:09.18 | dilvie | yes that's me |
| 22:09.28 | redbeard1 | that's cool |
| 22:09.35 | dilvie | =) |
| 22:10.09 | tene | personally, it's pretty normal for me to wake up and fall back asleep once or twice through the night |
| 22:10.32 | redbeard1 | dilvie, somebody sent me that link a good year or two before i even started coming into #utah |
| 22:10.47 | tene | of course, my sleep-related problem is that I can't wake up in the mornings |
| 22:10.55 | dilvie | redbeard: cool. =) |
| 22:11.03 | JoshH | what sucks is when my gf wakes up at 530 am, leaves the bedroom door open, turns on all the lights, and makes all kinds of noise while getting ready, even though my alarm is set for much later |
| 22:11.12 | tene | I woke up 3 hours late this morning. |
| 22:11.20 | herlo | dilvie: very nice stuff, I like it. maybe you'll see another at the The Utah Photo Safari |
| 22:11.32 | dilvie | herlo: awesome. =) |
| 22:11.37 | dilvie | looking forward to the next one. |
| 22:11.53 | dilvie | maybe we'll get a couple more models there, too. |
| 22:12.08 | dilvie | I'm going to send an announcement to some of the models I know next time around. |
| 22:12.16 | herlo | dilvie: when is it? |
| 22:12.24 | dilvie | I'm not sure, yet. |
| 22:12.50 | dilvie | Anybody here going to the University of Utah Med Student Date Auction? |
| 22:12.54 | dilvie | tonight... |
| 22:13.20 | redbeard1 | dilvie, what is it? |
| 22:13.46 | dilvie | they're auctioning off expense-paid dates with hot med students to support cancer research |
| 22:13.56 | dilvie | at the union center ballroom, I think. =) |
| 22:14.01 | dilvie | I'm photographing the event. |
| 22:14.09 | redbeard1 | that's awesome |
| 22:14.23 | dilvie | If I can't find anybody who can give me a lift, I'll have to pay for a cab. =P |
| 22:14.26 | dilvie | hehe |
| 22:14.36 | herlo | where do you live Dilvie? |
| 22:14.48 | herlo | and when do you need a ride? |
| 22:15.05 | dilvie | 700 N and about 3rd West in Salt Lake City, just at the base of capitol hill. |
| 22:15.13 | herlo | ahh, not bad... |
| 22:15.22 | findlay | why does dilvie need a ride? |
| 22:15.33 | findlay | a question of epic rhetorical significance |
| 22:15.54 | dilvie | It starts at about 9:00pm |
| 22:15.59 | dilvie | I want to show up a bit early. |
| 22:16.20 | findlay | dilvie: don't UTA buses swarm about that area? |
| 22:17.28 | dilvie | sure, but I'd need three transfers, about about 45 minutes of waiting around. |
| 22:17.38 | herlo | dilvie: wish I could help, a bit late for you... |
| 22:17.41 | herlo | for me rather |
| 22:17.51 | dilvie | and the U trax line has lots of stops along the way |
| 22:17.58 | dilvie | I'd rather take a cab. |
| 22:18.30 | findlay | I understand |
| 22:18.30 | redbeard1 | dilvie, if i wasn't stuck in orem for the moment, i'd give you a lift. |
| 22:18.34 | dilvie | =) |
| 22:18.36 | dilvie | cool. |
| 22:18.39 | dilvie | I appreciate it. |
| 22:18.40 | findlay | me too |
| 22:19.36 | dilvie | well, cab it is, then. =) |
| 22:19.40 | dilvie | no problem. |
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| 22:44.01 | dataw0lf | sup dilvie |
| 22:44.44 | dilvie | hi dataw0lf. =) |
| 22:44.53 | dilvie | how have you been? |
| 22:49.25 | herlo | ping Jayce^ |
| 22:50.14 | jayce_home | hey |
| 22:50.17 | jayce_home | sure, then he runs |
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| 22:50.36 | maquis | lol |
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| 23:03.49 | elg | gah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:03.50 | elg | win |
| 23:03.57 | elg | i hate this stupid iTerm bug |
| 23:04.17 | levi | What bug? |
| 23:04.23 | elg | I hate that it has no bearing on anything that I can tell I hate that it goes away after a few minutes with absolutely no reason |
| 23:04.33 | elg | input will get messed up from time to time |
| 23:04.53 | elg | number keys, slash, etc stop working |
| 23:05.05 | elg | quit and restart iterm, same thing |
| 23:05.11 | elg | quit and come back five minutes later, it works fine |
| 23:05.14 | jayce_home | elg, never experienced that... specific term setting? |
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| 23:05.55 | elg | i thought it was a utf-8/rxvt thing but then it popped up with more benign settings |
| 23:05.57 | levi | elg: Must be a feature to tell you to take a break. |
| 23:06.01 | nick125_lappy | hrm... |
| 23:06.14 | elg | i went on several wild goose chases |
| 23:06.17 | elg | the devs think I'm a loon |
| 23:06.25 | nick125_lappy | This is going to be fun...I'm redesigning my network to have NAT'ed and Non-NAT'ed IP ranges, all of them assigned via dhcp |
| 23:06.50 | nick125_lappy | I can't seem to find any information that would help with what I want to do, any ideas on where to look? |
| 23:07.16 | elg | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1612206&group_id=67789&atid=518973 |
| 23:07.18 | brac | [SourceForge.net: Detail: 1612206 - rxvy+utf-8 = screwed up input] |
| 23:07.59 | nick125_lappy | For NAT IPs, I'm planning on putting them in the 10.0.1.0/24 subnet, and, for the Non-NAT'ed IPs, I'm going to put them in the IP range specified by my ISP |
| 23:08.00 | elg | it happens randomly and always when I need multiple tabs the most |
| 23:08.11 | elg | (but have only 2 or 1 open) |
| 23:09.29 | mrpull-_ | nick125_lappy: why dhcp? |
| 23:09.59 | findlay | what does it signify when I begin to laugh at dumb things? |
| 23:10.16 | nick125_lappy | mrpull-_: to make it easier to setup client-end stuff |
| 23:10.31 | nick125_lappy | for the Non-NATed IP ranges, it will be assigned by MAC address |
| 23:10.39 | findlay | nick125_lappy: are you going to use ISC DHCPD? |
| 23:10.51 | findlay | because I know it can do what you want |
| 23:11.08 | nick125_lappy | findlay: yup |
| 23:11.21 | nick125_lappy | The main issue I'm seeming to have is with doing the entire NAT/Non-NAT thing |
| 23:11.35 | findlay | you still have to do some client side configuring though |
| 23:13.12 | elg | nick125_lappy: you can do the nat for only those source addresses |
| 23:13.19 | elg | in iptables anyway |
| 23:14.25 | nick125_lappy | elg: Hmm...so I can use iptables to NAT 10.0.1.0/24, and to not touch anything else? |
| 23:15.27 | findlay | nick125_lappy: iptables --source 10.0.1.0/24? |
| 23:15.57 | findlay | that's how you would identify traffic coming from the internal network |
| 23:16.37 | nick125_lappy | findlay: But, I'm going to have traffic on the LAN side from 10.0.1.0/24 and my /28 from my ISP |
| 23:17.12 | findlay | nick125_lappy: I don't understand |
| 23:17.42 | findlay | are your static b0xen going to have internal IPs as well? |
| 23:17.53 | nick125_lappy | findlay: on my LAN side, I'm going to have NAT'ed (10.0.1.0/24) and Non-NAT'ed (216.184.X.X/28) IPs |
| 23:17.54 | findlay | is that possible? |
| 23:18.19 | nick125_lappy | findlay: No |
| 23:18.20 | findlay | nick125_lappy: so what's the problem with that? |
| 23:18.43 | findlay | seems easy enough to distinguish the two netblocks in iptables |
| 23:18.51 | nick125_lappy | Yeah..hrm... |
| 23:19.30 | nick125_lappy | Anyone here know of a good iptables reference/tutorial/whatever? |
| 23:19.33 | elg | maybe a reinstall... |
| 23:19.58 | elg | nick125_lappy: yes, you can. i think rusty russel was the name of the guy with the good iptables docs |
| 23:20.15 | findlay | heh, rusty pretty much wrote iptables |
| 23:20.27 | findlay | nick125_lappy: I'd check the netfilter page first |
| 23:21.22 | nick125_lappy | One more question, would this be possible to do in an hour? |
| 23:21.46 | elg | nick125_lappy: yes, if you know what you're doing |
| 23:21.48 | findlay | if you knew what you were doing, possibly :) |
| 23:22.02 | elg | what are your precise needs? |
| 23:22.43 | nick125_lappy | elg: I need to have some machines have a public IP address, while some are NAT'ed. In a nutshell, that's what I'm looking at |
| 23:22.53 | nick125_lappy | Any device that doesn't have a static DHCP entry will be NAT'ed |
| 23:23.02 | elg | ok, then this is what I do |
| 23:23.15 | elg | I give my public IP box the public IP and also a private ip (same nic) |
| 23:23.33 | elg | i set up a nat from the private IP to the public IP |
| 23:23.38 | elg | i make that my router for the dhcp network |
| 23:24.43 | nick125_lappy | elg: I'm thinking that my server would have 216.184.20.82 (nat.nick125.com) as well as 10.0.1.1 |
| 23:24.51 | elg | http://pastie.caboo.se/44342 |
| 23:25.03 | elg | there's the iptables rules I use |
| 23:25.16 | elg | the dhcp setup is nothing extraordinary |
| 23:25.29 | nick125_lappy | elg: I'm pretty sure its not extraordinary.. |
| 23:25.35 | elg | you can serve up the non-natted boxes with dhcp too if you want |
| 23:25.46 | nick125_lappy | elg: That's my plan, just to keep things easy |
| 23:26.01 | elg | easy is static IP configuration |
| 23:26.05 | elg | unless you have lots of boxes |
| 23:26.20 | nick125_lappy | Both are equally easy (imho) |
| 23:26.32 | elg | you will use eth0 probably instead of br0 |
| 23:26.57 | elg | (I lied when I said one nic. I used to bridge the two nics together, so the two nics act as one, but I only have one plugged in now) |
| 23:29.57 | nick125_lappy | in my setup, eth0 will be connected to the switch (LAN) and eth1 will be connected to the DSL modem (WAN) |
| 23:30.59 | elg | so your box has 3 IPs? |
| 23:31.20 | elg | are they all on the same broadcast domain, or is this two subnets with your server in the middle? |
| 23:31.21 | nick125_lappy | How would it have 3 IPs? |
| 23:32.43 | elg | so you have eth0 private ip and eth1 public ip |
| 23:32.54 | elg | where are the other boxes with public IPs? |
| 23:32.59 | nick125_lappy | I guess it would have 3 IPs, the IP for the server itself (216.184.20.85/nick125.com), a NAT IP (216.184.20.82/nat.nick125.com), and the private subnet IP (10.0.1.1/nat-gw.nick125.com) |
| 23:33.00 | elg | out which interface? |
| 23:33.14 | nick125_lappy | Both the NAT'ed IPs and Non-NAT'ed IPs would be over eth1 |
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| 23:33.29 | elg | so eth0 is the only thing on the lan? :) |
| 23:33.31 | nick125_lappy | Er....that doesn't make sense.. |
| 23:33.34 | nick125_lappy | other way around |
| 23:33.54 | elg | ok. let's call box B a public ip box on the lan |
| 23:33.58 | nick125_lappy | okay |
| 23:34.05 | elg | is B in the same subnet as the modem? |
| 23:34.16 | nick125_lappy | yes |
| 23:34.23 | elg | that's going to be a trick |
| 23:34.36 | nick125_lappy | well, the modems public IP is in a /32 |
| 23:34.43 | nick125_lappy | separate from the /28 |
| 23:34.43 | elg | that's not the trick |
| 23:34.55 | elg | the modem knows that the /28 is on its link |
| 23:35.12 | elg | and so it won't send packets for B to your box for routing, it will just send them out the link |
| 23:35.24 | elg | your box would either have to secretly steal those packets and pass them on to B |
| 23:35.38 | elg | or you'd have to configure the modem to route even the /28 through your box |
| 23:36.01 | elg | if you put the modem on the same broadcast domain as everything else, you only have to use one nic in the host |
| 23:36.09 | elg | no problem routing public IPs |
| 23:36.35 | elg | and you can still acheive nat if your natted clients know that your server is the router |
| 23:36.44 | elg | (hint, turn off dhcp on the modem) |
| 23:37.00 | elg | the two subnets cohabit the broadcast domain |
| 23:37.52 | nick125_lappy | the modem isn't going to serve DHCP |
| 23:38.21 | nick125_lappy | I think this is going to get confusing.. |
| 23:39.25 | findlay | heh |
| 23:41.22 | nick125_lappy | ugh |
| 23:41.44 | nick125_lappy | I can't get genkernel to make an initrd |
| 23:42.23 | beandog | me either. |
| 23:42.32 | beandog | be a man. compile it yourself. |
| 23:42.33 | beandog | :) |
| 23:42.50 | beandog | what do you need initrd for? |
| 23:43.02 | nick125_lappy | lvm2 and dmraid |
| 23:43.47 | findlay | can't you just compile in the needed modules? |
| 23:43.50 | elg | that reminds me, did I blog about debian's kernel-package and initrd? it's so disgustingly easy now |
| 23:44.12 | nick125_lappy | findlay: my / is on a LVM2 partition, which is on a RAID array |
| 23:44.17 | elg | no more do I have to edit the config after doing make oldconfig from a stock kernel |
| 23:44.32 | levi | You should blog about it. |
| 23:44.43 | levi | I would be interested to hear about it. |
| 23:44.44 | findlay | nick125_lappy: so why don't you compile in the LVM and RAID modules? |
| 23:44.45 | elg | no more failed boots because I forgot filesystem X or some other obscure hardware |
| 23:45.16 | findlay | ~forget filesystem X |
| 23:45.16 | ibot | i didn't have anything called 'filesystem x' to forget, findlay |
| 23:45.16 | nick125_lappy | findlay: I do, but, something needs to initialize the raid array and the lvm2 setup.. |
| 23:45.26 | findlay | ok |
| 23:46.45 | nick125_lappy | Compiling in the RAID/LVM2 modules still wouldn't fix the issue though.. |
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| 23:58.39 | elg | levi: blogged |
