| 00:00.00 | dataw0lf | so you can comment on a line or block in a blog entry rather than the blog itself |
| 00:00.09 | Lone_Wanderer | You can make a many to many relationship without using the manytomany field type... |
| 00:00.24 | dataw0lf | I know, but it's still restrictive because how all other table objects are constructed |
| 00:00.29 | sjansen | One thing Django definitely has right compared to Rails is the whole project vs. app structure. |
| 00:00.39 | dataw0lf | sjansen: definitely agreed. |
| 00:00.50 | dataw0lf | and how the apps are produced in the project |
| 00:00.56 | dataw0lf | as far as settings.py, urls.py, etc |
| 00:01.06 | dataw0lf | it's definitely a Pythonic approach, that's for sure |
| 00:01.22 | findlay | yes |
| 00:01.29 | dataw0lf | as I've heard before, "Django is the way Guido would construct a web framework" and I hear he agrees |
| 00:01.38 | findlay | heh |
| 00:01.58 | dataw0lf | you know how us Pythonistas hang on Guido's every word.... |
| 00:02.08 | sjansen | Not being a big fan of Guido nor adopter of his personal tastes... |
| 00:02.29 | dataw0lf | I think Guido had it right in the direction 1.5 was going, personally |
| 00:02.36 | dataw0lf | 2.3 was good, but I think 2.6 is going to be a let down |
| 00:02.43 | dataw0lf | they're getting rid of stuff that really makes Python great |
| 00:02.47 | dataw0lf | example: functional programming |
| 00:02.52 | findlay | I had determined never to do web development again, but that's where the money is for me. I guess it's my destiny and django has almost made it wholly fun |
| 00:03.03 | dataw0lf | Python is a pragmatic programming language; that's why I love it. It doesn't adhere to any one programming principle |
| 00:03.12 | dataw0lf | they seem to be going pure OOP just to spite Ruby in many cases |
| 00:03.39 | findlay | that's sour |
| 00:03.46 | dataw0lf | findlay: I don't really like web dev, but you're right, I make great money doing it, and if you have a good background in various technologies you ascend rather fast |
| 00:04.35 | findlay | I think we should use CGI+groff for web development |
| 00:04.43 | dataw0lf | like, I know sys/net admin really well. Finding a web dev with a great deal of knowledge in TCP/IP and various higher level protocols is hard. And it helps immensely |
| 00:04.52 | dataw0lf | especially with the growth of technologies like XHR and stuff |
| 00:07.37 | findlay | what's XHR? |
| 00:09.47 | dataw0lf | findlay: XML HTTP Request, what AJAX relies |
| 00:09.48 | dataw0lf | on |
| 00:10.49 | dataw0lf | I'm working on a Django app that I've been thinking about for a while that's like a packetwikipastebin |
| 00:10.56 | dataw0lf | upload pcap logs |
| 00:11.03 | dataw0lf | and then people can comment on streams, packets, fields, etc |
| 00:11.18 | dataw0lf | mostly JavaScript prettiness I'm working on right now, the db structure has been fairly easy |
| 00:11.38 | findlay | why do you want to do that? |
| 00:11.55 | dataw0lf | I designed an AJAX based packet sniffer for my custom firewalls |
| 00:11.59 | dataw0lf | just something to do |
| 00:12.17 | dataw0lf | good for teh learnin' |
| 00:12.35 | dataw0lf | going to have help functions that will allow you to highlight streams/packets/fields and explain their purpose too |
| 00:12.50 | dataw0lf | kinda like an online wiki Ethereal, really |
| 00:13.08 | dataw0lf | I think it'll be extremely useful for the kids I hang out with. |
| 00:13.33 | findlay | hacker kids (: |
| 00:13.39 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: How can you be a web dev For Real if you don't know the bare bones of TCP/IP and have at least a moderate knowledge of the HTTP protocol? |
| 00:13.41 | dataw0lf | yea. |
| 00:13.49 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: See PHP developer |
| 00:13.53 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 00:13.59 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm a PHP developer :'( |
| 00:14.01 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: of course, that doesn't count you! |
| 00:14.04 | dataw0lf | and you, LW |
| 00:14.07 | Lone_Wanderer | whew |
| 00:14.19 | Lone_Wanderer | I crave nothing more than the approval of dataw0lf :p |
| 00:14.36 | dataw0lf | I'm good at passing judgement arbirtarily, am I not? |
| 00:14.37 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 00:15.00 | dataw0lf | arbitrarily* |
| 00:15.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh yeah. You've got a +2 to arbitrary judgements. |
| 00:15.41 | dataw0lf | I killed this troll to get these glasses of arbitrary judgments +2, I do believe I deserve em |
| 00:16.42 | Lone_Wanderer | I got all wired up a few hours ago, having an impending deadline, and now I'm done and the guy I need to turn the stuff into is on the phone and I'm all antsy. |
| 00:17.28 | dataw0lf | I have nothing to do right now |
| 00:17.32 | dataw0lf | my teams have been quiet |
| 00:17.52 | dataw0lf | perhaps because I spent 30 minutes cursing the leaders of two out yesterday while I was snowed in for not validating input correctly |
| 00:18.17 | dataw0lf | "WHY AM I ABLE TO HACK THIS SITE IN TWENTY MINUTES? GET YOUR IDIOT PHP DEVELOPERS TOGETHER AND FIX THIS!" |
| 00:18.22 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 00:18.43 | dataw0lf | they thought I was going to lay low because of 6 feet of snow at my house in the mountains |
| 00:18.46 | dataw0lf | think again! |
| 00:18.57 | dataw0lf | all I can do is rip you guys a new one, really |
| 00:19.05 | Lone_Wanderer | You were snowed in for not validating input? |
| 00:19.18 | dataw0lf | I was snowed in because of, uhm, global warming |
| 00:19.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Or you chewed them out for it, while snowed in? |
| 00:19.29 | dataw0lf | the second is correct. |
| 00:19.42 | Lone_Wanderer | kk |
| 00:19.50 | Lone_Wanderer | lol awesome |
| 00:20.01 | dataw0lf | VPN is all screwed up at our corp, so I just security audited all of my teams' sites |
| 00:20.05 | dataw0lf | bad for them |
| 00:20.07 | dataw0lf | amusing for me |
| 00:20.07 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 00:20.27 | dataw0lf | last full audit I did was a couple months ago, if anything, they'd gotten worse. |
| 00:20.30 | dataw0lf | WebScarab ftw! |
| 00:20.50 | Lone_Wanderer | It snowed here the other day pretty bad. I was hoping I'd be the only one who showed up, so I could flex and pretend to be tough 'cause of my Scandinavian hertiage and upbringing. |
| 00:20.50 | dataw0lf | although I actually had to dive into Java to develop a better WebScarab fuzzer |
| 00:21.05 | dataw0lf | that's what I hear, you guys got hit pretty hard |
| 00:21.17 | dataw0lf | but I'm above 7500 feet ;) |
| 00:21.17 | Lone_Wanderer | not six feet. at least not in the valley. |
| 00:21.41 | dataw0lf | we got two feet, seriously, in like five hours |
| 00:21.45 | Lone_Wanderer | fun |
| 00:21.48 | dataw0lf | on monday night |
| 00:26.30 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.getacoder.com/projects/operating_system_42879.html - Guy wants an OS designed, and has a 1 - 3k budget. |
| 00:26.33 | brac | [Operating System (C++ / C, Computer Platforms, Database Development, Graphics / Multimedia, Programming)] |
| 00:26.48 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 00:26.52 | macnewbold | OS for what? |
| 00:27.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Just read it, I can't do it justice. |
| 00:28.13 | beandog | lol |
| 00:28.16 | beandog | have you seen the bid amounts? |
| 00:29.15 | Lone_Wanderer | lol, "We already r working on such a project and we would be glad to sell it to you. Regards, Ripsoft." |
| 00:29.40 | dataw0lf | 1 - 3k budget? |
| 00:29.48 | dataw0lf | I could design a blog for him |
| 00:30.12 | tene | findlay: re: web dev in perl, you ever look at Catalyst? |
| 00:30.29 | tene | dataw0lf: re: perl OOP done right, you been following Perl 6 at all? |
| 00:30.46 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 00:30.52 | dataw0lf | yes, I've been following Perl 6 |
| 00:31.00 | dataw0lf | ridiculous. |
| 00:31.09 | tene | howso? |
| 00:31.19 | dataw0lf | It's like adding 2 tons of cow manure to something that stinks already. |
| 00:31.21 | dataw0lf | Or do you disagree? |
| 00:31.25 | beandog | Cool programs should be on version eleventeen by now. 6? get with it. |
| 00:32.39 | dataw0lf | tene: personally, I think Perl 6 is the equivalent of PHP 5 |
| 00:32.51 | tene | dataw0lf: "or"? your opinion changes if I disagree? |
| 00:33.13 | dataw0lf | no, just allowing you to respond. |
| 00:33.17 | dataw0lf | yes, you need my allownace |
| 00:33.20 | dataw0lf | allowance |
| 00:33.21 | dataw0lf | ;-)\ |
| 00:33.26 | tene | Oh. |
| 00:33.37 | tene | Yeah, I'm inclined to disagree. |
| 00:34.05 | dataw0lf | you really think Perl, even Perl 6, is receptive to OOP? |
| 00:34.11 | dataw0lf | Explain, please. |
| 00:34.30 | dataw0lf | (and I'm certainly not an OOP purist, quite the opposite) |
| 00:35.52 | tene | Hm? |
| 00:36.06 | tene | I think that the OO stuff in Perl6 is quite perlish. |
| 00:36.10 | dataw0lf | why do you think Perl 6 is comparable to, say, Ruby, or Python. |
| 00:36.19 | dataw0lf | oh, definitely, it's quite perlish. |
| 00:36.25 | dataw0lf | why is that good from an OOP perspective? |
| 00:37.16 | tene | I like perlish. |
| 00:37.59 | tene | Overall, I rather like what I've seen and think that it will be very nice to work in. |
| 00:38.34 | tene | Addresses all of the issues I've had with perl, and adds a lot of other nice things at the same time. |
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| 00:40.53 | dataw0lf | well, that's a fundamental difference between me and you; Personally, I think Perl is extremely unstructured (a benefit for some; not me), and applying that to OOP is a SUPER problem (and I think, a problem for everyone) |
| 00:41.14 | dataw0lf | OOP is all about structure, applying it to Perl is, imho, ridiculous. |
| 00:41.54 | dataw0lf | I think Perl is stronger without OOP. It doesn't lend itself well to applicability that requires OOP anyways. |
| 00:42.04 | dataw0lf | GUIs, some web structures, etc. |
| 00:45.05 | dataw0lf | eventually, you have to just say "STOP!" on major features in a language. I don't think Larry Wall has learned this. And I think this is why Perl is dwindling into obscurity. |
| 00:45.12 | tene | I disagree, but not strongly enough to argue about it. |
| 00:45.45 | tene | s/but not strongly/but don't care/ |
| 00:45.53 | dataw0lf | which is a shame (Perl dwindling; not you disagreeing), because Perl, when used correctly, can be extremely useful. |
| 00:46.22 | dataw0lf | unfortunately, Perl, when used incorrectly (which is a large part of the time, sadly), can be an extreme nuisance. |
| 00:46.48 | dataw0lf | I've had to maintain and audit systems with major Perl system admin scripts that were written by, well, system administrators, and it's a huge pain. |
| 00:47.00 | tene | Agreed. |
| 00:47.09 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 00:47.33 | dataw0lf | you can say that about any language, sure (probably the best example is C), but Perl has a stronghold on such applications |
| 00:48.21 | tene | The only painful legacy code I ever have to deal with is PHP web apps. |
| 00:48.45 | dataw0lf | oh, agreed, PHP developers are usually... a problem |
| 00:48.54 | dataw0lf | (I have to manage 3 teams of mainly PHP developers) |
| 00:49.01 | tene | Ouch. |
| 00:49.04 | dataw0lf | ya. |
| 00:49.15 | dataw0lf | I'm leading the charge in Python adoption in our corporation |
| 00:49.32 | tene | Python is nice. |
| 00:49.41 | dataw0lf | I <3 Python for a lot of development |
| 00:49.46 | tene | I've never used it much, but I do know that the majority of the python code I've seen is very nice. |
| 00:49.56 | dataw0lf | I now PoC in Python when I'm writing C apps |
| 00:50.02 | tene | The python programmers I know are all intelligent, skilled, and write good code. |
| 00:50.18 | dataw0lf | yea, Python attracts skilled theoretic programmers |
| 00:50.20 | tene | They don't complain, just quietly write code that works without problems. |
| 00:50.44 | tene | I very rarely hear about security issues with apps written in python. |
| 00:50.45 | dataw0lf | the problem with PHP is it's adoption in the web market, and it's 'ease of use' |
| 00:51.25 | tene | I have a mental list of significant issues with PHP. |
| 00:51.31 | Sargun | dataw0lf, you need another Python developer (as an intern) |
| 00:51.52 | tene | don't take Sargun as an intern. |
| 00:52.04 | tene | His personality is more suited to PHP development. |
| 00:52.31 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 00:52.32 | levi | I think Perl 6 gives some much-needed structure and regularity to perl, and will make it a better language to do real programming in. I probably still won't use it, though. |
| 00:52.33 | macnewbold | ouch |
| 00:52.43 | Sargun | No, PHP development allows me to create very large security holes. |
| 00:53.56 | tene | I think that spme people will still write trashy Perl 6 code, but I think that it will make writing my own code quite a bit nicer. |
| 00:54.10 | dataw0lf | by 'ease of use' I mean popular functions that most languages would offer in their basic syntax or easily adaptable with their syntax |
| 00:54.10 | dataw0lf | funnily enough, it attracts CS majors who haven't programmed very often |
| 00:54.10 | dataw0lf | for a year or so anyways |
| 00:54.10 | dataw0lf | they'll usually become disgusted as they apply their learned theories to the language though. |
| 00:54.10 | tene | s/spme/some/ |
| 00:54.12 | dataw0lf | most of my teams are compromised Stanford, Berkeley, or USC graduates primarily. |
| 00:54.14 | dataw0lf | it's interesting. |
| 00:54.16 | dataw0lf | compromised of* |
| 00:54.18 | dataw0lf | but we're based out of San Mateo/Foster City, so I guess that's expected to a degre. |
| 00:54.20 | dataw0lf | degree* |
| 00:54.25 | Sargun | Wow. |
| 00:54.26 | tene | wow, lag |
| 00:54.31 | dataw0lf | y'know, I probably agree, but apply any level of structure to a language like Perl |
| 00:54.36 | dataw0lf | it's... meh. |
| 00:54.44 | dataw0lf | you're still going to run into problems with the language syntax itself |
| 00:54.46 | Sargun | That's like 30 minutes away. |
| 00:54.50 | Sargun | dataw0lf, You based in San Mateo? |
| 00:54.52 | tene | dataw0lf: howso? |
| 00:55.01 | dataw0lf | Sargun: Yea, corporate is, but I work out of Reno |
| 00:55.31 | dataw0lf | tene: Because when you apply something like OOP to a nonstructured language (example: PHP 5), you're going to run into various problems |
| 00:55.38 | Sargun | Ah |
| 00:55.47 | dataw0lf | personally, I think, for an OOP orientated language, you have to design from the ground up |
| 00:55.50 | dataw0lf | Sargun: quinstreet.com |
| 00:56.04 | dataw0lf | Sargun: where you at? |
| 00:56.21 | tene | Which is being done for Perl 6 |
| 00:56.28 | dataw0lf | tene: not enough |
| 00:56.30 | Sargun | Pleasanton, CA |
| 00:56.37 | Sargun | Near LLNL |
| 00:56.51 | dataw0lf | tene: I think if you subtracted Wall completely from Perl 6, you might have a viable language |
| 00:56.54 | tene | dataw0lf: enough for me. I think it's turning out quite nice. |
| 00:56.57 | dataw0lf | but I think it's heading toward dead |
| 00:57.04 | Sargun | "Livermore Lawrence National Laboratories" Major DoE Lab. |
| 00:57.05 | mheath | dataw0lf, I disagree |
| 00:57.27 | dataw0lf | mheath: you disagreeing just makes me believe I'm on the right track |
| 00:57.30 | dataw0lf | just j/king |
| 00:57.32 | Sargun | mheath, hey, your back I see. |
| 00:57.34 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 00:57.38 | mheath | dataw0lf, LISP can be object oriented and was definately not designed from the ground up to do so. |
| 00:58.25 | dataw0lf | even Lisp's OOP leaves something to be desired |
| 00:58.37 | dataw0lf | Lisp's strong point is functional programming and transparent syntax |
| 00:58.42 | dataw0lf | not OOp |
| 00:59.08 | Sargun | Yeah, I've heard of QuinStreet. |
| 00:59.19 | dataw0lf | Sargun: pretty awesome place to work. |
| 00:59.58 | dataw0lf | I was going to work out of Santa Barbara because of the surfing, but QS made me an offer I couldn't refuse |
| 00:59.58 | mheath | dataw0lf, I know. Just an example of a language that is definately capable of OOP that didn't even give it a thought in design. :) |
| 01:00.12 | levi | dataw0lf: It depends on your particular definition of OOP. It's not a very well-defined term. |
| 01:00.19 | dataw0lf | levi: true enough |
| 01:00.38 | dataw0lf | mheath: a language can be *capable* of OOP. That doesn't mean it's necessarily a good thing. |
| 01:00.40 | tene | you can do OOP in C |
| 01:00.43 | levi | mheath: The Common Lisp standardization folks certainly gave it a lot of thought. |
| 01:01.04 | dataw0lf | tene: oh, I definitely agree. OOP doesn't mean a class based syntax, that's for sure. |
| 01:01.08 | dataw0lf | still |
| 01:01.09 | tene | Right |
| 01:01.21 | dataw0lf | if there's any language that, to me, doesn't seem readily adoptable of OOP, it's Perl. |
| 01:01.33 | dataw0lf | just because of it's 'free-for-all' syntax |
| 01:01.45 | dataw0lf | C is much more structured than Perl. |
| 01:01.57 | tene | I quite like the OO syntax in Perl6, fwiw |
| 01:02.18 | dataw0lf | it's not too bad. |
| 01:02.18 | levi | dataw0lf: The Common Lisp Object System is a pretty cool thing, though it's rather different than most other varieties of OOP. |
| 01:02.27 | dataw0lf | levi: Yea, I'm a fan of it. |
| 01:02.50 | levi | Perl5's whole 'bless' thing strikes me as a bad joke. |
| 01:03.02 | elg | or worse |
| 01:03.04 | dataw0lf | it integrates functional + object orientated very well |
| 01:03.10 | dataw0lf | (CLOS) |
| 01:03.17 | levi | Perl6 OOP support is way better, and supports multiple dispatch like CLOS. |
| 01:03.50 | dataw0lf | levi: would you disagree that Ruby seems like Perl OOP done right, though? |
| 01:04.37 | elg | i would disagree. i think it's oop done right (or mostly so anyway), and that is has some perl influence |
| 01:04.42 | elg | i wouldn't call it perl oop done right |
| 01:05.01 | tene | Ruby doesn't seem very perlish to me. |
| 01:05.07 | tene | has a little perl influence |
| 01:05.13 | dataw0lf | Ruby seems very Perlish to me |
| 01:05.16 | dataw0lf | just extremely OOP |
| 01:05.29 | elg | i read and code ruby often |
| 01:05.41 | elg | and perl is still completely opaque to me (even though I knew it once upon a time) |
| 01:06.00 | elg | frankly I think it's more like java than perl |
| 01:06.17 | levi | dataw0lf: I would call Ruby essentially Smalltalk in a really unconvincing perl costume. |
| 01:06.39 | tene | That sounds accurate to me. |
| 01:07.02 | elg | haha. that sounds about right yeah |
| 01:08.07 | Lone_Wanderer | later all |
| 01:08.54 | mheath | Sargun: Yes, I'm 'back' |
| 01:09.02 | mheath | back being back here in #utah, not back in Utah |
| 01:09.45 | Sargun | Ah |
| 01:12.16 | dataw0lf | levi: ehhh... I disagree. |
| 01:12.26 | Sargun | mheath, How is it there? |
| 01:12.31 | dataw0lf | perhaps Perl in a fairly convincing Smalltalk costume. |
| 01:12.43 | mheath | Sargun: Classes are going to be insane |
| 01:12.54 | tene | You're not much a perl programmer if you think that ruby is very perlish. |
| 01:13.00 | Sargun | What classes are you taking? |
| 01:13.23 | mheath | Sargun: Can't tell you that. |
| 01:13.43 | dataw0lf | heh, true, perhaps I'm not much of a Perl programmer. |
| 01:13.48 | Sargun | mheath, Why not? |
| 01:13.51 | dataw0lf | I don't see that as a liability however. |
| 01:13.58 | mheath | Sargun: Because all my classes are classified. |
| 01:14.09 | tene | It's only a liability in determining the perlishness of things. ;) |
| 01:14.15 | dataw0lf | hehe, you got me |
| 01:14.33 | Sargun | mheath, Due to what reason? |
| 01:14.51 | Sargun | I don't really see how class titles can allow you to commit treason. |
| 01:14.57 | mheath | I can just say I'm training to run a nuclear reactor |
| 01:15.02 | dataw0lf | uh, mheath, you can disclose class titles |
| 01:15.39 | mheath | dataw0lf, I haven't been told that yet. Just been told not to discuss anything related to the classes. |
| 01:15.43 | dataw0lf | I mean, I still have my T.S. clearance, and I'll admit to whatever classes/schools, including urban warfare training with the Israelis. |
| 01:15.56 | mheath | And I'm not going to risk having permanent logs on the net of me discussing something I'm not sure if I can discuss or not. |
| 01:16.02 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 01:16.08 | dataw0lf | you put too much stock into a T.S. clearance |
| 01:16.11 | mheath | So I'll wait a bit before I get the big security briefs |
| 01:16.13 | dataw0lf | they hand em out like candy |
| 01:16.40 | mheath | dataw0lf, that may be the case |
| 01:16.48 | dataw0lf | well, good for you. |
| 01:16.50 | mheath | I'm still not going to discuss something I'm not sure if I can discuss or not |
| 01:16.59 | Sargun | dataw0lf, Wait until mheath gets beyond the point of no return. |
| 01:17.10 | dataw0lf | omg trained assassin |
| 01:17.16 | dataw0lf | sorry, been watching too many movies lately. |
| 01:18.29 | mheath | The stuff I'm doing now is just No Foreign Nationals anyway |
| 01:18.34 | mheath | But still |
| 01:18.40 | dataw0lf | pfft |
| 01:18.46 | dataw0lf | keep on going bro |
| 01:18.49 | mheath | Thats just the first 6 months |
| 01:18.53 | mheath | After that it goes to Secret |
| 01:19.11 | dataw0lf | seriously, though, watch when you're out on pass and people are talking to you. |
| 01:19.29 | dataw0lf | there ARE people out there trying to get, say, some missile's range from you. |
| 01:19.36 | dataw0lf | or the security protocols for a nuclear reactor. |
| 01:20.00 | dataw0lf | where you at? Virginia? |
| 01:20.09 | mheath | South Carolina |
| 01:20.15 | dataw0lf | word. |
| 01:20.24 | dataw0lf | yea, watch it on pass. |
| 01:20.28 | mheath | Yeah, they've already told us that |
| 01:20.38 | dataw0lf | I know CID is all up in that trying to trick you kids. |
| 01:20.41 | mheath | Thats been the only security brief we've had was "Don't tell people things" |
| 01:21.03 | dataw0lf | I commend you for keeping your mouth shut. |
| 01:22.12 | mheath | Heh, I don't know anything anyway :P |
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| 01:22.20 | dataw0lf | shhhh |
| 01:22.24 | mheath | Thats on Monday :P |
| 01:22.25 | dataw0lf | don't even admit to that |
| 01:22.34 | dataw0lf | just say none of your business |
| 01:22.59 | dataw0lf | once you get that T.S. you'll learn what's acceptable and what's not |
| 01:23.12 | dataw0lf | and how to word stuff |
| 01:23.23 | dataw0lf | until then, I'd just be like 'meh, I'm in the Navy' |
| 01:23.40 | beandog | TS? |
| 01:24.11 | dataw0lf | because with Homeland Security breathing down CID's necks you could be screwed if they catch something over the interwebz that may be, in their opinion, sensitive |
| 01:24.16 | dataw0lf | beandog: Top Secret |
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| 01:27.57 | nick125- | fun... |
| 01:28.50 | nick125- | great, I'm going to be in las cruces another day |
| 01:33.14 | Sargun | why? |
| 01:33.38 | dataw0lf | I can't imagine that being in las cruces for another day is "bad" |
| 01:33.56 | nick125- | its not home |
| 01:34.01 | nick125- | Sargun: weather |
| 01:34.08 | dataw0lf | you underage? |
| 01:34.27 | nick125- | we would be driving home in high winds, in the dark |
| 01:34.31 | nick125- | yeah...... |
| 01:34.42 | dataw0lf | ah, that's why you hate it |
| 01:34.49 | Sargun | haha |
| 01:34.51 | dataw0lf | Las Cruces rocks |
| 01:34.54 | dataw0lf | :-) |
| 01:35.07 | nick125- | its not too bad, but, its simply not home |
| 01:35.24 | dataw0lf | man, I fly somewhere for a couple days every week, pretty much |
| 01:35.32 | dataw0lf | you gotta get over this "home" thing |
| 01:35.51 | dataw0lf | home is wherever the women are at |
| 01:35.54 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 01:36.03 | Sargun | haha |
| 01:36.14 | nick125- | this is the first time I've left home for this long in 10 years.. |
| 01:36.31 | dataw0lf | dang |
| 01:36.38 | dataw0lf | how old are you? |
| 01:36.41 | Sargun | dataw0lf, My girl lives about 15 minutes from down town San Jose, CA. |
| 01:36.52 | dataw0lf | Sargun: San Jose girls are the best++ |
| 01:37.02 | dataw0lf | what's her number? |
| 01:37.04 | dataw0lf | just kidding |
| 01:37.04 | Sargun | San Jose = Silicon Valley |
| 01:37.06 | Sargun | Hahah |
| 01:37.06 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 01:37.13 | Sargun | She's been in here before. |
| 01:37.30 | nick125- | dataw0lf: let me see if I can find it for you :-) |
| 01:37.47 | dataw0lf | Sargun: I'm just kidding, I have a girlfriend (unfortunately!) |
| 01:38.07 | Sargun | Hahah |
| 01:39.48 | dataw0lf | http://stderr.ws/media/dump/kass1.jpg |
| 01:39.50 | dataw0lf | http://stderr.ws/media/dump/kass2.jpg |
| 01:39.55 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 01:42.01 | Sargun | Gah, they use Windows. |
| 01:42.12 | Sargun | dataw0lf, How young is she? |
| 01:42.19 | Sargun | Is dataw0lf picking up jailbait? |
| 01:42.25 | dataw0lf | ha |
| 01:42.29 | dataw0lf | she's 21 |
| 01:42.33 | dataw0lf | thank you |
| 01:43.46 | mheath | I hate invalid spam |
| 01:43.52 | Sargun | why in the /dump/ directory? |
| 01:43.59 | Sargun | That makes it sound like you dumped her. |
| 01:44.09 | mheath | E-mail's from Geico telling me to go complete a car insurance quote their website told me I can't complete. |
| 01:46.29 | Sargun | dataw0lf, And how old would dataw0lf be? |
| 01:47.26 | dataw0lf | 24 |
| 01:47.53 | mheath | OK, this is BS. |
| 01:47.54 | Sargun | Younger women are so out of style |
| 01:47.56 | Sargun | mheath, ? |
| 01:48.05 | mheath | Getting turned down for the investment account was one thing |
| 01:48.25 | mheath | But the lady said "Oh, you can look at info on our mutual funds on our website.....and sign up as soon as you turn 18" |
| 01:48.31 | mheath | Then I login into their website |
| 01:48.38 | mheath | And get this childish BS |
| 01:49.00 | mheath | Ask your parents to go online today and start a youth investment fund! |
| 01:49.33 | mheath | I'm prepared to give this company thousands of dollars of my hard earned money to invest, and this is the kind of BS I get because I'm 17. Yah. |
| 01:50.14 | mheath | Oooh. "Thinking about saving for a video game, or even college? A USAA financial advisor can help!" |
| 01:50.28 | mheath | How helpful of them. |
| 01:52.00 | mheath | I can't do anything they said I could do on their website |
| 01:52.12 | mheath | I can't even look at their mutual fund prospectus |
| 01:52.28 | mheath | This is just marketing BS about how USAA can help me as a promising young teenage spender. |
| 01:52.34 | mheath | So have my parents call TODAY! |
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| 01:54.13 | mheath_ | I just hate it. I really do. |
| 01:54.50 | dataw0lf | Sargun: only for those who can't get em o_O |
| 01:55.33 | elg | heart las cruces |
| 01:55.38 | dataw0lf | <3 |
| 01:55.41 | vontrapp | mheath_: just chill out and enjoy your youthly years |
| 01:56.18 | dataw0lf | yea, you probably should be hitting on girls, instead of IRC complaining about your life |
| 01:56.23 | dataw0lf | just sayin' |
| 01:58.56 | mheath_ | dataw0lf, not authorized to have such relationships right now :P |
| 01:59.31 | Sargun | mheath, Yes, your 17. Your immature and undeveloped. |
| 01:59.35 | vontrapp | dude, you're not on a mission |
| 02:01.08 | Sargun | You have not yet gained enough enough experience socially, nor financially to independently conduct your own investment operations. |
| 02:01.15 | Sargun | vontrapp, Older Girls++; |
| 02:01.26 | dataw0lf | dude, mheath |
| 02:01.31 | dataw0lf | you have a uniform |
| 02:01.34 | dataw0lf | and a body |
| 02:01.37 | dataw0lf | use them both |
| 02:01.40 | dataw0lf | crikey |
| 02:01.49 | Sargun | dataw0lf, Have you seen his body? |
| 02:01.54 | Sargun | not that attractive |
| 02:01.56 | dataw0lf | well, no. |
| 02:01.57 | Sargun | but he is smart. |
| 02:02.01 | Sargun | smart is good. |
| 02:02.11 | Sargun | but I don't think he is complaining about women |
| 02:02.21 | Sargun | More about the fact he is a minor. |
| 02:03.01 | elg | ibot, scratch vontrapp's head |
| 02:03.02 | ibot | ACTION shreds vontrapp's head's backside |
| 02:04.36 | mheath_ | This is rediculous |
| 02:04.37 | mheath_ | I tried to call verizon |
| 02:04.43 | mheath_ | asking my options on the horrible cell phone reception |
| 02:04.57 | mheath_ | "What your going to want to do is a hard reboot on the phone....remove the battery while it is powered on." |
| 02:05.07 | mheath_ | "How does that help? I'm calling about poor reception...." |
| 02:05.20 | vontrapp | they must be windows users |
| 02:05.24 | mheath_ | "Have you tried updating the software?" |
| 02:05.33 | mheath_ | "I can't. I can't get good enough reception to do that." |
| 02:06.50 | vontrapp | it's the latest fad |
| 02:14.01 | mheath_ | I got transfered to tier 2 support. |
| 02:14.35 | Sargun | Wow. |
| 02:14.39 | mheath_ | This is the level that doesn't care about customer support. He actually got kind of rude with me because he said I was trying to give him too much information. |
| 02:14.39 | Sargun | A whole Tier! |
| 02:16.59 | mheath_ | "We'll send you a text message with your reference number..." |
| 02:17.21 | mheath_ | "Wait. How am I supposed to receive a text message?" |
| 02:17.48 | mheath_ | I think I'm going to get out of this contract, if I can. |
| 02:23.18 | mheath_ | Theres no use paying $60 / month for a cell phone I can barely use. |
| 02:26.06 | vontrapp | there's no use paying that much for a cell phone period |
| 02:26.29 | mheath_ | Sprint is nice |
| 02:26.37 | vontrapp | barf |
| 02:26.45 | mheath_ | Verizons customer support actually surprised me |
| 02:27.01 | mheath_ | My request is actually going to their equiment bureau |
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| 02:27.09 | mheath_ | To see if theres any plans to improve coverage in this area |
| 02:27.21 | nick125_lappy | hey |
| 02:27.27 | mheath_ | The guy warned me that 99% of the tickets that get forwarded to them come back saying no, there is none |
| 02:27.50 | mheath_ | But the good thing is...if there is no plans to improve, I can get out of my contract without penalty |
| 02:28.08 | mheath_ | The only reason to hang on to Verizon is the free mobile-to-mobile because everyone in my family has verizon |
| 02:28.16 | mheath_ | but this kind of coverage makes that worthless anyway. |
| 02:28.58 | vontrapp | what's that one that has my fav five? |
| 02:29.21 | vontrapp | "hey, those are my friends!" ... "maybe you should have less hot friends" |
| 02:29.44 | nick125_lappy | vontrapp: alltel and t-mobile have those types of plans |
| 02:29.57 | nick125_lappy | T-mobile has myfavs with five people |
| 02:30.51 | mheath_ | wow |
| 02:31.08 | mheath_ | they're actually...working on my ticket |
| 02:31.11 | mheath_ | Like..now |
| 02:31.16 | mheath_ | They just called me back to ask questions |
| 02:31.22 | mheath_ | I'm really surprised. |
| 02:31.53 | vontrapp | yow |
| 02:32.30 | vontrapp | 7 phones in all, i think |
| 02:32.50 | mheath_ | WHy don't cell phone manufacturers ever make cell phones designed for...good reception, voice quality, etc? |
| 02:32.51 | vontrapp | maybe 6 |
| 02:32.59 | mheath_ | All I see is "OMG IT HAS A CAMERA!!!!!!" |
| 02:33.05 | elg | they do |
| 02:33.07 | mheath_ | Or "IT CAN DOWNLOAD MUSIC!" |
| 02:33.07 | nick125_lappy | mheath_: I know! |
| 02:33.14 | elg | if they didn't there wouldn't be anything worthwhile about a cellphone |
| 02:33.20 | nick125_lappy | It can do all of that, except make phone calls |
| 02:33.38 | vontrapp | odd... something is doing a lot of copying from my external to my internal |
| 02:33.42 | mheath_ | I don't want a cell phone with a video camera |
| 02:33.49 | mheath_ | Because in a year and a half I'm going to be on a sub |
| 02:34.40 | mheath_ | And I can't bring a cellphone with a camera onboard |
| 02:34.41 | mheath_ | (I'm talking about using it while we're in port, obviously...I'm not stupid, I know it won't work underwater) |
| 02:35.05 | mheath_ | And it is _difficult_ to find a phone that does not have a camera |
| 02:36.37 | nick125_lappy | you could get one of those phones that have 6 buttons on them |
| 02:36.41 | nick125_lappy | that have little ears on them |
| 02:36.47 | nick125_lappy | I think that might be the only one without a camera |
| 02:37.30 | vontrapp | you could make that homebrew rotary phone thing |
| 02:37.42 | mheath_ | I think verizon might actually call me back tonight |
| 02:37.46 | mheath_ | Which is amazing |
| 02:38.54 | vontrapp | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/present.php?p=Port-O-Rotary |
| 02:38.55 | brac | [Spark Fun Electronics] |
| 02:39.19 | vontrapp | i don't think that one has a camera |
| 02:40.46 | vontrapp | only $399 to order one built for you |
| 02:41.51 | mheath_ | What the heck |
| 02:42.07 | mheath_ | You'd think that Sprint could hire online customer service reps that can type |
| 02:42.36 | mheath_ | <Michael Heath> -> I had a question about contracts. I am 17 years old but an active duty member of the military - will Sprint allow me to enter into a service plan contract? |
| 02:42.58 | mheath_ | <Niko> -> No you have to be 18 buy you can all 888-211-4727 |
| 02:46.00 | nick125_lappy | mheath_: You can't enter a contract being only 17 |
| 02:46.25 | mheath_ | nick125_lappy, I've had this discussion earlier |
| 02:46.34 | mheath_ | You CAN enter contracts at 17 |
| 02:46.47 | mheath_ | Just normally, most businesses won't because 17 year olds can also void said contracts |
| 02:46.59 | mheath_ | However, being subject to the UCMJ, I cannot void said contracts |
| 02:47.23 | mheath_ | Which is why most businesses will usually assist military member minors in ways they won't assist a normal minor customer. |
| 02:47.26 | nick125_lappy | I think you would have to call sprint and talk to a human being that can type.. |
| 02:48.00 | nick125_lappy | You may need to esclate to a supervisor to get them to do an exception |
| 02:52.11 | mheath_ | I got a lot done today. |
| 02:52.44 | mheath_ | Created a budget, applied for a credit card, got a trouble ticket submitted for my cell phone, picked up my dry cleaning... |
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| 03:01.54 | vontrapp | only some broadcomm error messages, but i'm not using it anyway |
| 03:02.05 | elg | ~congratulate von` |
| 03:02.06 | ibot | ACTION congratulates von` on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
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| 03:12.36 | vontrapp | it didn't even reset my tcp connections |
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| 04:29.37 | findlay | ~bore nick125_lappy |
| 04:29.39 | ibot | "nick125_lappy, here we are in the sausage factory; the sausages rest on the smoking racks before being cured..." |
| 04:29.52 | findlay | ~bore nick125_lappy |
| 04:29.54 | ibot | "nick125_lappy, here we are in the sausage factory; the sausages rest on the smoking racks before being cured..." |
| 04:29.57 | findlay | ~entertain nick125_lappy |
| 04:37.40 | findlay | ~entertain nick125_lappy |
| 04:37.42 | ibot | ACTION grabs 5 random objects and begins to weave them through the air in a display of superior juggling skill for findlay's entertainment whilst whistling The Entry of the Gladiators by Julius Fu?ík |
| 05:00.41 | tene | ~nick125 findlay |
| 05:00.43 | ibot | ACTION puts findlay on a VPS with 32MB of ram and makes findlay use Gentoo on there. |
| 05:01.19 | Sargun | hi |
| 05:01.27 | findlay | ~tene Sargun |
| 05:01.47 | findlay | ~entertain Sargun |
| 05:01.48 | ibot | ACTION grabs 5 random objects and begins to weave them through the air in a display of superior juggling skill for Sargun's entertainment whilst whistling Einzug der Gladiatoren by Julius Fu?ík |
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| 05:34.40 | elg | http://hans.fugal.net/src/batphone/doc/files/README.html |
| 05:34.40 | brac | [File: README] |
| 05:49.31 | levi_home | elg: That looks suspiciously like a page created with Ruby on Rails. ;) |
| 05:49.41 | Sargun | lol |
| 05:51.03 | levi_home | Not that there's anything wrong with that. |
| 05:51.46 | levi_home | elg: I was very pleased to find that Luke Gorrie, one of the guys behind SLIME, created a similar emacs mode for erlang called Distel. |
| 05:51.49 | elg | yeah, it's a web 2.0 theme |
| 05:51.51 | elg | but it's not rails |
| 05:51.59 | elg | cool |
| 05:52.03 | elg | it's rdoc |
| 05:52.17 | elg | gnight all |
| 05:53.01 | levi_home | Ahh. |
| 05:53.03 | levi_home | G'night. |
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| 14:39.07 | nick125_lappy | yay, time to leave this hellhole^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^Wwonderful place |
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| 15:21.59 | redbeard1 | ~onjoin redbeard1 want an altoid? |
| 15:21.59 | ibot | ok, redbeard1 |
| 15:22.30 | Jayce^ | now if you could get it to play the sound... |
| 15:22.57 | Jayce^ | hehe.. that reminds me of when redbeard1 tried to make an automatic trigger to send a song out each time something was mentioned :) |
| 15:23.07 | Jayce^ | how'd your computer handle that again? :-p |
| 15:23.45 | goozbach | heh |
| 15:23.50 | goozbach | I can only imagine |
| 15:23.55 | goozbach | invoke goozbach! |
| 15:24.39 | redbeard1 | i'm gonna be famous again! |
| 15:24.42 | Jayce^ | yeah, as soon as a few of us knew the trigger, he was serving more copies of 'She Bangs' than were ever sold.. |
| 15:25.02 | goozbach | heh |
| 15:25.06 | goozbach | willam hung |
| 15:25.13 | goozbach | *shifty eyes* |
| 15:25.24 | redbeard1 | goozbach, actually, it was the original. it had just come out. |
| 15:25.26 | Jayce^ | nope, #! (shebang) |
| 15:25.54 | goozbach | hah! |
| 15:25.57 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 15:26.21 | goozbach | redbeard1: when I say pineapple meatloaf, what comes to mind? |
| 15:26.43 | goozbach | I'm thinking that could be really good |
| 15:27.00 | redbeard1 | goozbach: teriyaki |
| 15:27.09 | goozbach | kinda like Tacos Al Pastor in a loaf |
| 15:27.22 | goozbach | ohh teriyaki... |
| 15:27.24 | goozbach | hmm |
| 15:27.28 | redbeard1 | pineapple teriyaki meatloaf, that would be good |
| 15:27.40 | goozbach | I'll try that next weekend |
| 15:28.42 | elg | ~pineapple goozbach |
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| 15:46.11 | redbeard1 | is gmail acting up for anyone else? |
| 15:46.48 | graphyx | I was having issues chatting with herlo. |
| 15:47.01 | redbeard1 | graphyx: over gtalk? |
| 15:47.10 | graphyx | yes |
| 15:47.21 | redbeard1 | weird. |
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| 16:13.59 | nick125- | hi |
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| 16:30.29 | redbeard1 | apparently directv just added a new channel |
| 16:30.35 | redbeard1 | some kind of horror channel |
| 16:31.10 | redbeard1 | right now they're running a tales from the crypt marathon, and then the shining in full |
| 16:31.27 | levi | Maybe they'll play sci-fi movies on the sci-fi channel now instead of horror ones. |
| 16:33.36 | redbeard1 | levi, now that's just silly |
| 16:35.12 | nick125- | 134 miles to albuquerque! yay |
| 16:35.29 | levi | nick125: Are you texting while driving? |
| 16:35.47 | nick125- | I'm not the one driving |
| 16:36.36 | levi | Oh, of course not. |
| 16:36.53 | nick125- | thankfully.... |
| 16:40.47 | levi | poof. |
| 16:42.35 | redbeard1 | nick125's very existence is based on the whims of his wireless provider |
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| 16:58.29 | spr | ~nslookup mahonri5.net |
| 17:01.41 | levi | Having issues, spr? |
| 17:02.04 | spr | levi: I was a week ago, but things have cleared up since then. |
| 17:02.10 | spr | Just doing one last check. |
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| 17:05.00 | harleypig | http://bash.org/?733088 |
| 17:05.01 | brac | [QDB: Quote #733088] |
| 17:05.56 | levi | The perils of scripts that tell the world what your media player is doing... |
| 17:06.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Do expound, it sounds scandalous. |
| 17:06.51 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: I was commenting on harleypig's link. |
| 17:06.52 | harleypig | Random words starting with 'M': Morbidly moribund. |
| 17:07.05 | harleypig | levi: Yeah. :> |
| 17:08.00 | levi | But, who knows... maybe 'Bathtub Lesbians' is the name of a fairly tame rock band, and it was really just a concert video. |
| 17:08.28 | harleypig | ::D |
| 17:08.37 | harleypig | Massively Microscopic |
| 17:08.38 | levi | I mean, that's probably what 'barenaked_ladies.avi' would be. ;) |
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| 17:09.05 | harleypig | wouldn't it be barenaked_ladies_something.avi? |
| 17:09.19 | harleypig | (That was for pmcnabb) |
| 17:09.19 | levi | Depends on how lazy you were when making the filename. |
| 17:09.35 | levi | Or, 'new_pornographers.avi' |
| 17:09.43 | harleypig | You mean transferring the media from your camera? |
| 17:10.07 | harleypig | Mountainous Molehill |
| 17:10.24 | harleypig | Monumentally Mundane |
| 17:10.37 | Lone_Wanderer | magnificent migraine |
| 17:10.45 | goozbach | gah |
| 17:10.46 | levi | Malleably Multifarious |
| 17:11.04 | Lone_Wanderer | multifaceted moissanite |
| 17:11.09 | harleypig | Moronically Multitudinous |
| 17:11.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Many Mormons |
| 17:11.58 | harleypig | mentally mild |
| 17:12.39 | levi | Mellifluous Magnanimity |
| 17:13.22 | harleypig | meretricious merkin |
| 17:13.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Meritorious Marshalls |
| 17:14.23 | redbeard1 | marinated mushrooms |
| 17:14.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Malicious Melanoma |
| 17:14.49 | Lone_Wanderer | You got it right :) |
| 17:15.20 | redbeard1 | magic mushrooms |
| 17:15.47 | levi | Meticulous Maroon |
| 17:15.49 | Lone_Wanderer | "mushrooms" has already been used. |
| 17:15.55 | redbeard1 | you can't reuse? |
| 17:16.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Not any more! |
| 17:16.36 | goozbach | mulitasked marshmellows |
| 17:16.46 | harleypig | mellow marzipan |
| 17:16.57 | redbeard1 | melon madness |
| 17:17.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Matriculating Mothers |
| 17:17.09 | levi | Mollified Mendacity |
| 17:17.13 | goozbach | marvin manacaled |
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| 17:17.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Mangled Muskets |
| 17:17.29 | goozbach | morbidly metric |
| 17:17.42 | redbeard1 | manic monday |
| 17:17.48 | harleypig | Morbid's already been used. |
| 17:18.10 | Lone_Wanderer | My shoulder hurts :( it's been hurting for several days now. |
| 17:18.18 | goozbach | pineapple pizza |
| 17:18.29 | redbeard1 | purple popsicle |
| 17:18.36 | Lone_Wanderer | peurile pasta |
| 17:18.46 | levi | Mongoloid Membrane |
| 17:19.00 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Peurile is not spelled correctly! You lose! |
| 17:19.09 | harleypig | meaty myomancy |
| 17:19.16 | levi | It's puerile |
| 17:19.19 | Lone_Wanderer | oh |
| 17:19.22 | Lone_Wanderer | oh well |
| 17:19.23 | redbeard1 | great google! |
| 17:19.37 | levi | From the latin 'puer', meaning boy. |
| 17:19.44 | redbeard1 | cap'n crunch |
| 17:19.58 | levi | Ravenous Redbeard |
| 17:20.14 | harleypig | Hey ... I thought we were doing M's! |
| 17:20.19 | redbeard1 | reluctantly roams |
| 17:20.30 | redbeard1 | relatively reasonable |
| 17:20.41 | redbeard1 | ranch rosters |
| 17:20.48 | Lone_Wanderer | icelandic ibuprofen waits while I investigate my more rambunxious route to the kid's kitchen. |
| 17:21.39 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: You can't win after you lose, though. :P |
| 17:22.25 | harleypig | raunchy ribald |
| 17:22.40 | redbeard1 | Anyway, as beds burn, creatures cried deadly deeds. Everyone entered fabulous fantasties, gobbling great happy hamburgers. |
| 17:22.53 | levi | Rambunctious Rapscallion |
| 17:23.17 | harleypig | Can you do that for the entire alphabet? |
| 17:23.38 | redbeard1 | harleypig, not atm, i forgot i was supposed to be rolling a file for somebody. brb. |
| 17:23.53 | Lone_Wanderer | dang, redbeard1 beat me to it. |
| 17:24.07 | redbeard1 | you guys still have the chance to finish that story up. |
| 17:24.23 | levi | I'll leave that to you guys. |
| 17:24.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Mine was "As always, bad boys cut close." That was as far as I got :( |
| 17:25.39 | spr | As always, bad boys cut close doing drugs even eventfully free from gaining gold. |
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| 17:32.53 | redbeard1 | http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/1-zombies.jpg |
| 17:32.59 | redbeard1 | do not feed the zombies |
| 17:33.27 | levi | Hah, I've got to forward that to a coworker. |
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| 17:37.19 | unum | does the local perl group have a channel |
| 17:37.26 | unum | or are they all just in here :? |
| 17:37.27 | unum | :) |
| 17:37.37 | harleypig | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1d_1172664561 |
| 17:37.38 | brac | [LiveLeak.com - EVO IX Hits Seagull at 180mph!] |
| 17:38.12 | harleypig | unum: we're all in here |
| 17:46.19 | unum | at my work we are going to use perl for most scripting, php for webscripting, and c++ for desktop apps |
| 17:46.32 | unum | so I've got two down and one to go :) |
| 17:48.13 | levi | Those sound like pretty standard choices. |
| 17:50.44 | unum | ya. I think they are good choices, but I'm pretty sure I'll end up writing some php in my perl and vice versa |
| 17:50.52 | tristanbob | anyone using evolution + groupwise servers? |
| 17:51.03 | levi | Well, I didn't say I thought they were particularly /good/ choices. ;) |
| 17:55.26 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: just bought a cheap speedball gun |
| 17:57.59 | Jayce^ | what kind? |
| 17:57.59 | dataw0lf | pirahna eforce gti |
| 17:57.59 | Jayce^ | ah, the classic piranha |
| 17:58.00 | dataw0lf | just so I can practice against speedball guns, since my brother doesn't have a speedball gun |
| 17:58.01 | Jayce^ | still have my oooold one.. |
| 17:58.06 | Jayce^ | what kind of hopper? |
| 17:58.09 | Jayce^ | and air? |
| 17:59.04 | dataw0lf | vlocity select force, pure energy 4500psi 68ci |
| 17:59.21 | Jayce^ | oh good, natural air.. |
| 17:59.28 | dataw0lf | ya |
| 17:59.45 | Jayce^ | in reality, you might be able to get to 12-15 bps.. |
| 17:59.49 | Jayce^ | does it have any 'eyes' ? |
| 18:00.24 | dataw0lf | I don't think so |
| 18:00.31 | dataw0lf | lemme see |
| 18:00.47 | Jayce^ | probably a more simple anti-chop then (most are that way at that price) |
| 18:01.06 | dataw0lf | ya |
| 18:01.37 | dataw0lf | I've used one on a field before, they're pretty dang fast for the speed |
| 18:01.44 | dataw0lf | fairly accurate with the stock barrel |
| 18:01.48 | Jayce^ | cool |
| 18:01.59 | Jayce^ | piranhas used to be the best at their price range.. |
| 18:02.08 | dataw0lf | yea, the reviews on this one look pretty promising. |
| 18:02.14 | Jayce^ | coming back nwo after about 2 years of issues |
| 18:02.52 | dataw0lf | I was thinking maybe a Evo, but went with this one instead |
| 18:04.12 | Jayce^ | my new gun will probably arrive in a couple weeks.... hard time to wait :) |
| 18:04.19 | dataw0lf | what's a good close quarters tippman a5 barrel? I can't find one that I really like |
| 18:04.33 | Jayce^ | CP is the best for the price, go for a 10-12" |
| 18:04.39 | Jayce^ | Stiffi's are the best overall |
| 18:04.44 | Jayce^ | but cost a lot more |
| 18:04.54 | Jayce^ | CP is about 95% as good as a stiffi. |
| 18:04.58 | dataw0lf | hm |
| 18:05.28 | Jayce^ | one guy on the team took the stock barrel, cut it down to 3-4", polished it up, and it was better than the original |
| 18:05.40 | dataw0lf | I wish the flatline was easier to remove so I could switch out barrels on the field. |
| 18:05.52 | Jayce^ | then get the apex instead of the flatline.. |
| 18:06.03 | Jayce^ | it uses the normal threading, and then you can switch (I do) |
| 18:06.06 | dataw0lf | yea, you mentioned that one. |
| 18:06.11 | Jayce^ | I use a CP as my secondary |
| 18:06.15 | dataw0lf | hmm |
| 18:06.17 | dataw0lf | word |
| 18:06.42 | dataw0lf | how easy is the apex barrel to adjust trajectory? I heard it's pretty easy |
| 18:07.17 | Jayce^ | one thing you can do too, the best thing you can do to increase air efficiency, and consistency, take your gun apart, take some brillo, and polish the internals... best thing you can do |
| 18:07.38 | Jayce^ | extremely easy, just a switch, that you click into something like 9 positions.. |
| 18:07.44 | Jayce^ | can do it while firing.. |
| 18:07.54 | Jayce^ | just have to move your off hand to the end of the barrel |
| 18:07.56 | dataw0lf | wow, nice |
| 18:08.13 | Jayce^ | same with the rotation.. |
| 18:08.45 | dataw0lf | is the inside of the Apex rough like the flatline? |
| 18:08.54 | Jayce^ | no |
| 18:08.58 | dataw0lf | hmmm |
| 18:08.59 | dataw0lf | nice |
| 18:09.14 | Jayce^ | just the end has a rubber flap, which is what you are adjusting |
| 18:09.19 | dataw0lf | even with good balls my flatline breaks occasionally |
| 18:09.34 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 18:09.43 | Jayce^ | this is much less picky on the paint.. |
| 18:09.58 | dataw0lf | word, that's nice, I like to be able to use cheap balls when I'm out practicing |
| 18:10.03 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 18:10.11 | Jayce^ | easier to clean too |
| 18:10.17 | dataw0lf | ya |
| 18:10.43 | Jayce^ | people have actually made mods too, putting the apex end (the important part) on a J&J or a Stiffi barrel.. |
| 18:10.52 | dataw0lf | wow |
| 18:10.55 | dataw0lf | how does that work? |
| 18:11.11 | Jayce^ | well, the whole apex is really the big piece on the end, the part that gives the backspin.. |
| 18:11.29 | Jayce^ | so they remove that, and with a little smithing, attach it on their high end normal barrel of choice.. |
| 18:11.45 | dataw0lf | huh |
| 18:12.13 | Jayce^ | the normal barrel section of the apex is just a little better than the stock barrel.. it's the end that's important. |
| 18:14.06 | Jayce^ | a lot of ex-flatliners will get an apex, and just set it on max, and never adjust... that works, but if you learn how/why/when to adjust in game, it becomes *really* powerful |
| 18:14.13 | dataw0lf | ya |
| 18:14.26 | dataw0lf | I'm going to have to set up some trick targets and practice on em |
| 18:14.33 | dataw0lf | or just have my brother run around with a mask on :) |
| 18:14.42 | Jayce^ | one of the best ones to know, is the curve distances.. |
| 18:15.14 | Jayce^ | I can be behind a bunker, max my spin, and curve up, and i can shoot sitting behind a bunker, and hit somebody fully behind a bunker 30' away.. |
| 18:15.21 | Jayce^ | neither of us ever showing ourselves |
| 18:15.22 | dataw0lf | are you kidding? |
| 18:15.31 | dataw0lf | wow... |
| 18:16.13 | Jayce^ | at a lot of the 'standard' ranges that people bunker in at, and are used to, become natural sweet spots for the curve of a apex.. |
| 18:16.26 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 18:16.27 | dataw0lf | I can imagine |
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| 18:17.15 | dataw0lf | playing some woodsball up in the mountains tonight with 3 feet of snow against some pretty good guys |
| 18:17.32 | dataw0lf | I'm still training my brother and my two friends that I've recruited onto my team so far |
| 18:17.35 | Jayce^ | nice.. |
| 18:17.44 | Jayce^ | hope you are shooting the natural air :) |
| 18:18.10 | dataw0lf | course |
| 18:19.02 | Jayce^ | you seen the Tac-8 before? |
| 18:19.13 | dataw0lf | the tiberius? |
| 18:19.16 | Jayce^ | yeah |
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| 18:19.27 | dataw0lf | yea, never fired it but I've had it fired at me before |
| 18:19.29 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 18:19.39 | Jayce^ | they have the T9 now, full rifle mod kit, very very very cool |
| 18:19.41 | Jayce^ | well made.. |
| 18:19.48 | Jayce^ | best pistol on the market by leaps and bounds |
| 18:19.53 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 18:19.55 | Jayce^ | and the t9 let's you do a lot more with it |
| 18:20.28 | dataw0lf | wow, that looks pretty slick |
| 18:20.39 | dataw0lf | http://cgi.ebay.com/Tiberius-Arms-T9-Elite-Magazine-Fed-Paintball-Rifle-Gun_W0QQitemZ130062700102QQihZ003QQcategoryZ16048QQcmdZViewItem |
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| 18:23.26 | QBFreak | terrorist! |
| 18:25.01 | dataw0lf | I didn't know how much of a difference my goggles could make until I got this dye pro |
| 18:25.08 | Jayce^ | i3? |
| 18:25.10 | dataw0lf | it's so light |
| 18:25.11 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 18:25.14 | dataw0lf | '07 |
| 18:25.15 | Jayce^ | yup, that's what I got |
| 18:25.19 | dataw0lf | it's awesome |
| 18:25.27 | Jayce^ | excellent gog's |
| 18:25.38 | Jayce^ | love the ear pieces |
| 18:25.41 | tensai | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 18:25.42 | Jayce^ | great view |
| 18:25.49 | dataw0lf | yea, the earpieces rock |
| 18:25.52 | Jayce^ | ~paint tensai |
| 18:25.55 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on tensai |
| 18:26.03 | dataw0lf | I hardly even notice that I'm wearing the mask |
| 18:28.17 | dataw0lf | Apparently one of these kids I'm playing against has a 20" smartparts barrel on his a-5 and thinks he's a sniper... |
| 18:29.11 | elg | -lart jay |
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| 18:43.17 | Jayce^ | yeah, in paintball barrel length rarely makes a good difference |
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| 18:45.54 | nick125_lappy | it feels so good to be back home |
| 18:50.19 | elg | -lart nick125_lappy |
| 18:53.29 | pmcnabb | anyone notice that google maps/earth has updated utah? (among other places) |
| 18:54.47 | Supaplex | http://www.sltrib.com/ci_5331519 |
| 18:55.47 | nick125_lappy | elg: lol |
| 19:10.33 | SpecialZ | pmcnabb: The maps in Orem have been updated, but the pictures are a couple of years old. |
| 19:11.09 | SpecialZ | They added a roundabout by my parents place sometime in the last 8 months. |
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| 19:25.26 | elg | so who's having trouble with gmail? anyone know the problem? |
| 19:32.39 | synic | I am |
| 19:32.48 | synic | dunno what's up, though |
| 19:33.05 | elg | i am not, but someone I know is and I need some info he has stashed away in his gmail acct |
| 19:33.19 | synic | it's been up and down all morning |
| 19:34.46 | jsmith | They're probably working on their google chat integration again |
| 19:34.57 | jsmith | Every time they try it, it causes problems |
| 19:37.52 | beandog | not to mention it's a lame feature to start with. |
| 19:37.56 | beandog | mostly because you cant turn it off. |
| 19:38.23 | findlay | you can |
| 19:38.34 | vontrapp | "gmail view: standard with chat | _standard_without_chat_" |
| 19:38.50 | vontrapp | and " | basic html" |
| 19:40.32 | beandog | oh really? sweet. |
| 19:40.32 | beandog | thanks |
| 19:41.48 | goozbach | anyone want to help with my algebra? |
| 19:42.04 | goozbach | I've got the following equation: |
| 19:42.11 | vontrapp | what's this traffic button on gmaps that comes and goes? |
| 19:42.31 | goozbach | 24= 3x + x/2 +1 |
| 19:42.43 | goozbach | how do I solve for x? |
| 19:42.47 | goozbach | it's been TOO long |
| 19:42.55 | vontrapp | 23 = 3x + x/2 |
| 19:43.00 | goozbach | got that far |
| 19:43.03 | goozbach | by myself |
| 19:43.04 | vontrapp | :) |
| 19:43.10 | goozbach | what's next? |
| 19:43.16 | jsmith | Multiply both sides by 2 |
| 19:43.19 | vontrapp | 46 = 3x + x |
| 19:43.32 | vontrapp | er, 46 = 6x + x |
| 19:43.33 | jsmith | 46=4x |
| 19:43.40 | jsmith | Right... |
| 19:43.45 | jsmith | 46=7x |
| 19:43.52 | vontrapp | x = 46/7 |
| 19:44.06 | goozbach | thanks guys |
| 19:44.27 | goozbach | I did turn a real world problem into algebra |
| 19:45.01 | goozbach | I'm trying to find out how many servers I can connect to a single switch, given that equation |
| 19:45.50 | goozbach | the answer is 6 |
| 19:46.00 | goozbach | 6 servers / 24 port hub |
| 19:46.06 | goozbach | s/hub/switch/ |
| 19:47.34 | goozbach | with a total of 4 vlans per switch |
| 19:48.34 | goozbach | 6 on the heartbeat, 6 on the main network, 7 on the ATAoE network, and 3 on the DRAC network |
| 19:48.34 | goozbach | yay! |
| 19:48.34 | goozbach | ~bless jsmith and vontrapp |
| 19:48.46 | ibot | O $DEITY, bless our child jsmith and vontrapp, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 19:49.06 | Supaplex | heh |
| 19:50.06 | findlay | goozbach: you use AoE? |
| 19:50.23 | findlay | how does it perform? |
| 19:53.53 | elg | is that Arts or Entertainment? |
| 19:55.29 | goozbach | findlay: I'm not using it yet, just doing some planning |
| 19:58.42 | goozbach | trying to determine the most cost-effective way to have full redundancy on my new Xen cluster |
| 20:02.06 | goozbach | now does anyone have recomendations on 24port Gig-E managed switches? |
| 20:08.08 | jsmith | goozbach: You want cheap, or good? |
| 20:09.56 | goozbach | a balance preferably |
| 20:10.15 | goozbach | or are those mutally exclusive? |
| 20:14.07 | tensai | elg: no-knead bread is a winner. doesn't look quite like their bread did. crumb isn't nearly as open. |
| 20:23.17 | goozbach | hmm procurve looks too be leading the pack |
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| 20:27.38 | levi | Procurves are nice switches. |
| 20:27.53 | levi | I haven't used the gigabit ones myself, though. |
| 20:29.15 | SpecialZ | Anyone know what the Jabber settings are for gmail chat so I can load it up in GAIM? |
| 20:29.31 | levi | There's a howto on the gmail page somewhere. |
| 20:29.48 | SpecialZ | if it were easy to find I wouldn't have asked |
| 20:30.27 | goozbach | jsmith: what do you know of in the "cheap" category |
| 20:30.28 | goozbach | ? |
| 20:30.44 | jsmith | Dell |
| 20:30.58 | jsmith | The Adtrans are supposed to be cheap but fairly good as well |
| 20:32.12 | levi | SpecialZ: Click on 'help'. Click on 'Google Talk'. Click on 'How Do I Configure Gaim for Google Talk?' |
| 20:32.32 | levi | SpecialZ: Or, just click on: http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=24073 |
| 20:32.50 | findlay | can't you just knot up a bunch of cat5 cables and call it good? |
| 20:32.57 | SpecialZ | Oh, I was looking under google chat help |
| 20:35.35 | SpecialZ | must be blocked here |
| 20:37.43 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.12 | tensai | we use Foundry switches. they are not cheap but are rock solid. |
| 20:42.20 | tensai | you're looking for gig-e copper or fiber? |
| 20:43.32 | redbeard1 | anyone here (besides levi) ever heard of the young dubliners? |
| 20:44.36 | rsimpkins | I might chime in and say - stay away from Dell switches. |
| 20:45.30 | tensai | rsimpkins: how did they offend you? |
| 20:45.39 | rsimpkins | tensai: By breaking too often. |
| 20:46.32 | goozbach | you get what you pay for, I take it? |
| 20:46.45 | rsimpkins | The Dells were particularly problimatic. |
| 20:46.56 | rsimpkins | We had netgear too, and they died, but the Dells died much more frequently. |
| 20:47.05 | rsimpkins | They were also buggy. |
| 20:49.40 | tene | redbeard1: young dubliners++ |
| 20:52.13 | redbeard1 | tene: i just won tickets |
| 20:52.56 | tensai | I hope they were parking tickets |
| 20:53.06 | redbeard1 | tensai: concert tickets |
| 20:54.48 | tene | awesome |
| 20:57.35 | tensai | redbeard1: cool. what time are you picking me up? |
| 20:59.11 | tensai | anybody upgraded mysql from 4.x to 5.0? |
| 20:59.16 | redbeard1 | yeah, i already promised them to my wife. she's gonna take his brother as soon as he gets off his mission. |
| 20:59.25 | tene | tensai: yes |
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| 20:59.47 | tensai | tene: how did it work? |
| 20:59.56 | tensai | I've never done an in-place upgrade of mysql before |
| 21:00.01 | tene | tensai: various assorted possible problems. |
| 21:00.14 | tene | Basically, back up all your configs and then do a mysql_dump of the db |
| 21:00.23 | tensai | I'm reading the upgrade notes and there seem to be a lot of them |
| 21:00.38 | tene | then clean everything out, upgrade to 5, and load the dump file |
| 21:00.45 | tene | if it loads without problems, you're lucky |
| 21:01.00 | tene | if there are issues, then you have to do a bunch of reading and messy crap and eww |
| 21:01.18 | tensai | I should be able to test that by dumping the database and loading on a different 5.0 system, right? |
| 21:01.32 | tensai | or test some of it at least |
| 21:01.50 | Jayce^ | tensai, there are some major changes 4.0 -> 4.1 -> 5 |
| 21:01.56 | Jayce^ | you'll want to dump, etc.. |
| 21:02.06 | Jayce^ | the debian packages have some good upgrade scripts.. |
| 21:02.33 | Jayce^ | especially watch for passwords (db encrypted), and user privilege tables in the mysql db |
| 21:02.55 | dataw0lf | haven't had much of a problem upgrading before |
| 21:04.12 | tene | I remember the last time I did it, the problem I had was fields marked as NOT NULL had null values in them |
| 21:04.30 | tene | I was told that that's apparently somehow *normal* for a mysql database |
| 21:04.52 | goozbach | hmm a netgear for ~$800 |
| 21:05.02 | goozbach | netgear switches? any comments? |
| 21:05.08 | goozbach | good, bad, indifferent? |
| 21:06.10 | tensai | this will be on a redhat 7.3 system. it's a cluster, if that matters. |
| 21:08.14 | findlay | when does (did) RH-7.3 EOL? |
| 21:11.10 | tristanbob | does digg ever go down for a long time like it is now? |
| 21:11.32 | tensai | findlay: many moons ago |
| 21:11.49 | tensai | if digg falls in a forest, does anybody care? |
| 21:17.27 | emcnabb | many, many moons ago |
| 21:18.21 | sargun-screen | hey |
| 21:20.09 | tristanbob | is for horses |
| 21:20.23 | emcnabb | tristanbob: haha, the same phrase came to mind |
| 21:20.31 | emcnabb | my dad always used to say that growing up |
| 21:20.36 | tristanbob | emcnabb: :) |
| 21:22.29 | Supaplex | then what's hay for? |
| 21:23.00 | levi | Supaplex: It is also for horses. |
| 21:23.36 | Supaplex | none for me! yay :P |
| 21:23.53 | tristanbob | yay is for Supaplex |
| 21:24.16 | tristanbob | nay? |
| 21:24.43 | levi | Nay is for Norses. |
| 21:24.52 | emcnabb | Say is for Sorses. |
| 21:25.15 | tristanbob | Sorceresses |
| 21:25.29 | tristanbob | OK is for KO |
| 21:25.52 | tristanbob | $random is for $random |
| 21:28.34 | SpecialZ | no, $homonym is for $relatedWord. |
| 21:30.14 | findlay | why does windows always try to ruin my life? |
| 21:30.30 | findlay | it even tries to get me when I'm on a linux box |
| 21:30.35 | findlay | ~lart windows |
| 21:32.17 | sargun-screen | I'm bored. |
| 21:32.28 | sargun-screen | and hungry |
| 21:32.35 | findlay | ~entertain sargun-screen |
| 21:32.37 | ibot | ACTION grabs 5 random objects and begins to weave them through the air in a display of superior juggling skill for sargun-screen's entertainment whilst whistling Einzug der Gladiatoren by Julius Fu?ík |
| 21:32.55 | emcnabb | ~welcome mheath |
| 21:32.56 | ibot | [all in unison] Hi, mheath! |
| 21:32.58 | sargun-screen | mheath: hey, how was your first day of class? |
| 21:33.07 | mheath | That wasn't the first day of class |
| 21:33.07 | findlay | ~entertain mheath |
| 21:33.09 | ibot | ACTION grabs 5 random objects and begins to weave them through the air in a display of superior juggling skill for mheath's entertainment whilst whistling Einzug der Gladiatoren by Julius Fu?ík |
| 21:33.17 | mheath | This was just more indoc briefs |
| 21:33.50 | mheath | Don't do drugs, don't drink irresponsibly.... |
| 21:33.51 | mheath | uh |
| 21:34.06 | mheath | Responsible Diet |
| 21:34.22 | mheath | Suicide prevention |
| 21:34.22 | sargun-screen | :-/ |
| 21:34.37 | mheath | CO came in and did a brief on it |
| 21:34.40 | emcnabb | mheath: good thing you were listening |
| 21:34.45 | emcnabb | anything about IRC addiction? |
| 21:34.56 | sargun-screen | When do you get a chance to play with radioactive isotops? |
| 21:34.56 | mheath | (I find it very disturbing that the CO can not pronounce "Nuclear" correctly) |
| 21:35.02 | sargun-screen | s/ops/opes/ |
| 21:36.15 | findlay | ~irradiate sargun-screen |
| 21:36.18 | levi | mheath: He's just following the Commander in Chief's example. |
| 21:36.18 | mheath | emcnabb, Sorry, after watching your 5th USN Rape Awareness or Sexual Harrassment video, you start to zone out. |
| 21:36.19 | Jayce^ | mheath, I grew up in the SWFPACK, and that pronunciation is the norm... |
| 21:36.28 | Jayce^ | on Bangor, on a Trident, and the guys operating the reactor almost universally pronounce it that way |
| 21:36.41 | findlay | ~irradiate mheath |
| 21:36.43 | ibot | ACTION fires a Megarad on mheath |
| 21:36.52 | mheath | Jayce^, didn't know you were a nuke |
| 21:36.56 | mheath | erm |
| 21:37.00 | mheath | didn't know you were navy* |
| 21:37.06 | Jayce^ | navy brat.. |
| 21:37.16 | Jayce^ | I knew better than to finish signing the paperwork |
| 21:37.28 | Jayce^ | almost went annapolis.. backed out |
| 21:37.49 | mheath | I have a very good chance of getting into annapolis if I wanted to take it |
| 21:37.55 | mheath | Still thinking about that one. |
| 21:37.56 | Jayce^ | Dad was a frogman.. |
| 21:38.09 | Jayce^ | split time old Diesel and SSN |
| 21:38.27 | mheath | So, yeah, this brand new Microsoft Money 2007 that I just payed for.. |
| 21:38.35 | mheath | Now crashes when I try to sync with my bank |
| 21:41.06 | mheath | Hmmm. |
| 21:42.14 | redbeard1 | they still make ms money? i didn't know that. |
| 21:44.02 | emcnabb | gnucash rocks |
| 21:44.40 | findlay | except that you can't control the finer aspects of graphviz within gnucash |
| 21:45.38 | goozbach | I want a Wii |
| 21:45.40 | sargun-screen | Wow, he is tasty. |
| 21:45.47 | sargun-screen | goozbach: Can you afford it? |
| 21:45.50 | emcnabb | findlay: like what? |
| 21:46.05 | emcnabb | findlay: I haven't done much with the reporting aspect of gnucash |
| 21:46.27 | findlay | emcnabb: like font sizes |
| 21:46.43 | findlay | margins, other relative sizes |
| 21:47.12 | findlay | I got far enough once to know that you could modify it from the graphviz side, but didn't learn how |
| 21:47.35 | findlay | emcnabb: reports are the coolest part of gnucash IMO |
| 21:47.48 | goozbach | sargun-screen: $250, I'd hope so |
| 21:48.02 | mheath | GNUCash's features pale in comparison to MS Money |
| 21:48.05 | mheath | Sorry, but thats true |
| 21:48.07 | mheath | Granted |
| 21:48.10 | goozbach | the real question is can I find one |
| 21:48.17 | findlay | yeah, nothing can crash like MS Money |
| 21:48.17 | mheath | GNUCash doesn't freeze |
| 21:48.50 | findlay | MS Money on the other hand, can crash with abandon, style, and drama |
| 21:48.57 | emcnabb | findlay: which version of gnucash? |
| 21:49.01 | sargun-screen | goozbach: go buy one? |
| 21:49.13 | emcnabb | findlay: 2.X is much nicer |
| 21:49.19 | findlay | emcnabb: 2.0.4 |
| 21:49.44 | dataw0lf | isn't GnuCash partly written in Scheme? |
| 21:49.49 | emcnabb | mheath: now you just need some money to manage and you're set |
| 21:49.53 | findlay | emcnabb: you can control fonts on the gnome plain text reports, but the graphical ones are all auto-determined |
| 21:49.53 | emcnabb | dataw0lf: yeah |
| 21:49.58 | dataw0lf | nice |
| 21:50.02 | mheath | emcnabb, uh... |
| 21:50.21 | mheath | Granted thats counting my car. |
| 21:50.31 | findlay | cars don't count |
| 21:50.32 | dataw0lf | you need an application to manage that? |
| 21:50.36 | mheath | I only have about $3,000 in cash. |
| 21:50.37 | findlay | they divide |
| 21:50.59 | mheath | dataw0lf, No, I got an application to manage investments. (which turned out to be a bust, as per the conversation last night) |
| 21:51.12 | goozbach | sargun-screen: I can't find one |
| 21:51.13 | *** join/#utah cww (i=cww@nat/redhat/x-d893d89bab84abdd) |
| 21:51.30 | goozbach | bestbuy, toys r us, target, walmart all sold out |
| 21:52.01 | dataw0lf | dude, wth, this scuba shop is refusing to fill my tanks now |
| 21:53.00 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, no cert for diving? |
| 21:53.03 | Jayce^ | in CA? |
| 21:53.26 | dataw0lf | NV |
| 21:53.26 | Jayce^ | on NV? |
| 21:53.41 | Jayce^ | I know CA passed a law recently blocking non cardholders from filling tanks |
| 21:53.46 | dataw0lf | really? |
| 21:53.57 | Jayce^ | yeah, sucks for the average paintballer |
| 21:53.57 | dataw0lf | I mean, I just filled my tanks this weekend at this scuba place, this is just a different guy |
| 21:54.01 | dataw0lf | that's stupid |
| 21:54.11 | findlay | Jayce^: sounds like you need to take up a new hobby :) |
| 21:54.23 | Jayce^ | yeah, talk to somebody else, tell them it's for pball and they are usually cool with it.. |
| 21:54.29 | dataw0lf | ya |
| 21:55.15 | sargun-screen | goozbach: go on Sunday to target |
| 21:58.04 | sargun-screen | goozbach: don't you have a friend who sells assault weapons? |
| 21:58.04 | sargun-screen | goozbach: Or who owns them? |
| 22:00.49 | goozbach | sargun-screen: I don't see what one has to to do with the other |
| 22:01.13 | goozbach | you suggesting I hold up a Target at gunpoint? |
| 22:01.14 | findlay | heh |
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| 22:02.40 | sargun-screen | goozbach: Uh |
| 22:02.44 | sargun-screen | I've got to go. |
| 22:02.48 | sargun-screen | Bye! |
| 22:03.13 | findlay | ~goodbye sargun-screen |
| 22:04.28 | goozbach | just so you know sargun-screen, gun crimes have a mandatory minimum sentance |
| 22:04.43 | goozbach | in florida it's 10-20 |
| 22:06.14 | elg | ~shoot goozbach |
| 22:06.16 | ibot | ACTION shoots goozbach in the foot with a quantum singularity weapon! |
| 22:10.26 | maquis | goozbach: ping? |
| 22:12.32 | goozbach | pong |
| 22:12.37 | goozbach | pineapple! |
| 22:13.33 | redbeard1 | goozbach, what is with you and pineapples? |
| 22:13.46 | goozbach | it's just fun to say |
| 22:14.12 | goozbach | and since I watched "Mobsters and Mormons" I've been saying it a lot |
| 22:19.26 | findlay | I have this line in my pg_hba.conf: host all all 10.0.0.1/32 password |
| 22:20.02 | findlay | but when I do `psql db -h 10.0.0.1 -p 5432` it says 'Connection refused' |
| 22:20.10 | findlay | on a remote machine, that is |
| 22:20.21 | elg | all machines are remote |
| 22:20.32 | elg | so far, anyway. except maybe pacemakers |
| 22:20.48 | findlay | I can see the postgres packets getting to the database host, so it looks like postgres is refusing the connection |
| 22:21.33 | findlay | did I get it wrong? |
| 22:24.53 | beandog | try md5 |
| 22:24.56 | findlay | I have the logging turned all the way up and it doesn't show up in the log |
| 22:24.57 | beandog | instead of password |
| 22:25.07 | beandog | man pg_hba.conf |
| 22:25.11 | beandog | I think theres a man |
| 22:25.58 | findlay | nope, md5 doesn't change it |
| 22:26.52 | beandog | hmm |
| 22:27.04 | beandog | you could try trust |
| 22:27.11 | beandog | just to see if it lets you in |
| 22:28.17 | findlay | nope |
| 22:28.18 | beandog | ah |
| 22:28.19 | beandog | hmm. |
| 22:28.31 | beandog | is it listening? |
| 22:28.48 | beandog | did you set listen_address in postgresql.conf |
| 22:28.55 | beandog | listen_addresses |
| 22:29.46 | findlay | ah, :) |
| 22:29.52 | findlay | lets see if that works |
| 22:30.21 | findlay | can I put CIDR in listen_addresses? |
| 22:33.32 | findlay | now I'm getting somewhere. Thanks beandog |
| 22:33.38 | Jayce^ | did you HUP the server after modifying the conf? |
| 22:34.01 | beandog | yahp |
| 22:34.02 | findlay | I did `service postgresql reload` |
| 22:34.13 | findlay | (several times actually) |
| 22:34.19 | findlay | one for each try |
| 22:41.18 | atoponce | does anyone know how to fix a dvi-vga color washout? |
| 22:41.42 | macnewbold | check the contrast/brightness/etc on your monitor? |
| 22:41.45 | atoponce | the white-light colors is barely constrating |
| 22:42.11 | atoponce | macnewbold: i am using the same monitor (dual monitor setup), and when i switch the cable, the problem follows it |
| 22:42.13 | macnewbold | maybe the color temp etc |
| 22:42.16 | findlay | hit the degauss button compulsively for about 5 hours |
| 22:42.17 | atoponce | which tells me it's the port |
| 22:42.18 | macnewbold | check the cable? |
| 22:42.36 | findlay | it may not do anything, but it will give you a harmless direction to depose your compulsive tendancies |
| 22:42.37 | atoponce | same with the cable. tried that |
| 22:42.48 | tristanbob | so what is the itunes replacement on Linux? Banshee? |
| 22:42.54 | atoponce | findlay: my wrist would get sore |
| 22:42.59 | macnewbold | have you tried it with another monitor? |
| 22:42.59 | findlay | tristanbob: I thought it was amarok |
| 22:43.09 | tene | tristanbob: amarok, rhythmbox are popular |
| 22:43.17 | atoponce | tristanbob: songbird |
| 22:43.27 | tristanbob | hmmm - I'll check all those out - thanks |
| 22:43.32 | atoponce | macnewbold: yes |
| 22:43.53 | macnewbold | does it happen on both monitors? |
| 22:44.01 | atoponce | it's definitely happening in the conversion. i wonder if there are better adapters, or something in the software driver |
| 22:44.04 | atoponce | macnewbold: yes |
| 22:45.47 | findlay | beandog: it looks like I can't get it to connect with listen_address set to anything besides '*' |
| 22:46.58 | beandog | its listen_addresses |
| 22:47.03 | beandog | thats how I have mine, too. |
| 22:47.04 | beandog | kinda poopy. |
| 22:47.16 | beandog | Im not sure how to change it |
| 22:49.40 | Lone_Wanderer | sweet, Dr. Ruth was a sniper in Israel when she was younger. |
| 22:50.11 | beandog | findlay: did you try ip address |
| 22:50.16 | beandog | or hostname or something |
| 22:51.17 | tristanbob | re: the discussion about gnucash and ms money - try HomeBank (the website is currently down) http://homebank.free.fr |
| 22:51.36 | findlay | beandog: yes, both |
| 22:51.48 | beandog | nada? that's odd. |
| 22:51.55 | findlay | yeah |
| 22:54.13 | *** join/#utah nick125_lappy (n=nick@c-76-18-87-83.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) |
| 22:56.58 | atoponce | it just doesn't make any sense to me, as the signal to both monitors is coming from the same card |
| 22:59.24 | findlay | sweet |
| 23:00.27 | mheath | He seems a little more english-literate than the normal MS online chat rep though |
| 23:00.31 | beandog | findlay: check the docs, Im not sure ... been a while since I set one up |
| 23:00.55 | findlay | :( |
| 23:00.57 | mheath | Though I get the roundabout repeat-the-answer-without-answering-anything-while-I-look messages |
| 23:01.06 | mheath | *repeat-the-problem |
| 23:01.22 | mheath | {Kevin} OK I can see you are getting an error that Microsoft Money has stopped working when trying to update the account and the program terminates |
| 23:01.27 | mheath | {Michael Heath} Correct |
| 23:02.45 | nick125_lappy | First question of mine, why exactly are you using Microsoft Money? |
| 23:02.58 | nick125_lappy | Don't they compile gnucash for windows/whatever? |
| 23:03.00 | findlay | because he's mheath |
| 23:03.23 | mheath | nick125: GNUCash wouldn't be able to handle what I need it to handle. |
| 23:03.43 | nick125_lappy | What exactly do you need it to handle? |
| 23:04.13 | nick125_lappy | (I'm kind of curious, I've found gnucash fine for my needs) |
| 23:04.45 | levi | Some sort of investments he's planning on making, I assume, once he finds someone who will let him do so. |
| 23:06.20 | atoponce | hmmm |
| 23:06.30 | atoponce | i wonder if i need a dvi-i to vga converter |
| 23:06.42 | atoponce | i don't have all the pins represnted, i think |
| 23:07.34 | emcnabb | nick125_lappy: mheath is worth $10,000, and gnucash can't handle numbers that big yet |
| 23:07.41 | atoponce | then again, are the pins that i think i need represented, in the vga spec |
| 23:08.20 | mheath | emcnabb, you mock me, but how many 17 year olds do you know with $10,000 in assets, $3,000 of that in cash? |
| 23:08.39 | emcnabb | mheath: I did |
| 23:08.52 | findlay | mheath: I had that much money when I was a little older than that |
| 23:09.00 | emcnabb | paid for my mission (about $10k), plus the first year of college |
| 23:09.05 | findlay | and that was $10,000 in real money |
| 23:09.18 | atoponce | as did i |
| 23:09.19 | mheath | in a year and a half, I'll have an additional $20,000 |
| 23:09.21 | atoponce | and my wife |
| 23:09.21 | macnewbold | seriously, why not gnucash? |
| 23:09.31 | mheath | macnewbold, investment management |
| 23:09.33 | findlay | macnewbold: because it's GNU? |
| 23:09.35 | findlay | ha ha |
| 23:09.47 | macnewbold | I'll manage your investments... |
| 23:09.47 | mheath | And my bank doesn't export to a format gnucash can use |
| 23:09.48 | emcnabb | mheath: I use it for my investments |
| 23:10.32 | jsmith | mheath: I thought gnucash would import a .qif file |
| 23:10.49 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: can't wait to check out these barrels :) |
| 23:11.13 | mheath | jsmith, I can't find anyway to get my bank to output to any file format. |
| 23:11.50 | jsmith | Hmmmmn... |
| 23:12.16 | Jayce^ | nice.. |
| 23:12.31 | Jayce^ | hope you get a good chance to use them soon :) |
| 23:12.37 | emcnabb | probably because they required me to snail mail in my signature after I submitted my online return |
| 23:12.49 | mheath | ~lart DFAS |
| 23:12.54 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, got my state yesterday, still no Fed.. :( |
| 23:13.13 | jsmith | mheath: Does your bank support OFX/QFX |
| 23:13.14 | emcnabb | the Feds were fast with me |
| 23:14.44 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: yea, Saturday |
| 23:15.41 | dataw0lf | got this nice, wide ravine I'm going to play in against some guys in the foothills. |
| 23:15.50 | Jayce^ | hopefully overnighted in time :) |
| 23:15.55 | findlay | who's the css expert in here? |
| 23:16.09 | mheath | jsmith, I haven't found a way to output to any file format from their website, actually. |
| 23:16.10 | tene | I use css sometimes |
| 23:16.17 | atoponce | findlay: not an expert, but i might be able to help |
| 23:16.33 | emcnabb | Jayce^: it's too bad you were too big of a wimp to go paintballing with me when I lived in Utah |
| 23:16.36 | jsmith | mheath: Well, OFX is where your machine connects directly to their server and downloads the info -- like what Quicken and MSMoney do |
| 23:16.40 | findlay | tene, atoponce: what book, site, other method do you reccommend me to learn CSS? |
| 23:16.40 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, riiight |
| 23:16.47 | jsmith | mheath: It's not something you download from their website |
| 23:17.02 | tene | findlay: as I recall, http://htmldog.com/ has pretty good information |
| 23:17.25 | atoponce | findlay: for a book, "professional css" printed by wrox |
| 23:17.45 | atoponce | or "the zen of css design" is good too |
| 23:17.46 | emcnabb | well boys and girls, I'm out-ty here-y |
| 23:17.56 | emcnabb | nick emcnabb_afk |
| 23:17.58 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, just remember, at maximum backspin, you'll go so far, floating that wind becomes a major factor :) |
| 23:18.53 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 23:21.25 | Jayce^ | when they first leave the barrel, they drop about 2', then relift and float, it's really amazing to watch |
| 23:22.38 | levi | Anyone know if there's a way to cancel an xmission account online? |
| 23:22.45 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: wow |
| 23:22.52 | macnewbold | you could ask in ircd.xmission.com #xmlounge, levi |
| 23:23.00 | macnewbold | one way is to just stop paying |
| 23:23.06 | macnewbold | and they'll turn it off for you |
| 23:23.16 | levi | That doesn't work if you have your payments auto-charged. |
| 23:23.33 | macnewbold | the place where you configure autocharging, you can unconfigure it I think |
| 23:23.39 | macnewbold | or just tell them over IRC - that's online, right? |
| 23:24.54 | levi | Ahh, finally got someone on the phone. |
| 23:26.09 | tene | levi: #xmlounge on irc.xmission.com |
| 23:26.20 | tene | oh, macnewbold already said |
| 23:26.35 | macnewbold | that's my favorite way |
| 23:26.38 | nick125_lappy | It took a while to get xmission to cancel my account, and they told me just to not pay |
| 23:26.39 | macnewbold | much better than phone waiting |
| 23:26.56 | harleypig | urrgh ... can anyone tell me how to do what I'm trying to do? (perl) @e = split /\c./, $data doesn't work because \cX is atomic, even though it's 3 characters typed. |
| 23:27.00 | beandog | what you do is change your cc # in their billing system |
| 23:27.50 | tene | harleypig: and what are you trying to do? |
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| 23:28.30 | macnewbold | harleypig: are you looking for the characters, or the value represented by \cX? you might just need to escape the \ |
| 23:28.45 | harleypig | I have a bunch of data that has \cA, \cB, \cP, \cJ ... |
| 23:28.56 | harleypig | No, escaping the \ doesn't work. |
| 23:29.08 | harleypig | X is a variable in this case. |
| 23:29.42 | levi | By waiting and getting someone on the phone, I got the charges for the remainder of the month credited back to me. |
| 23:29.53 | nick125_lappy | levi: ... how? |
| 23:30.11 | nick125_lappy | The guy at xmission didn't do that for me, and, I only used the service for 2 weeks |
| 23:30.27 | levi | nick125_lappy: He just did it. I didn't even ask. |
| 23:30.47 | tristanbob | mheath: what do attribute your wealth too? budgeting, saving, investing, earnings, inheritence? |
| 23:30.54 | harleypig | macnewbold: I forgot about posix => @e = split /[[:cntrl:]]/, $data |
| 23:31.17 | nick125_lappy | And they didn't give me any credit towards the $10 charge that qwest charged me |
| 23:31.36 | Supaplex | ~lart qwest |
| 23:31.36 | nick125_lappy | (I didn't have no other choice then to leave xmission, due to service issues, and them pulling out of New Mexico) |
| 23:31.46 | nick125_lappy | ~lart qwest * 200000000 |
| 23:34.03 | levi | Cool, the qemu package for Debian comes with a script to set up a little debian distro in a new image. |
| 23:34.09 | levi | Which is exactly what I wanted. |
| 23:35.17 | beandog | nice |
| 23:35.20 | tristanbob | levi: hooray for self-promotion! |
| 23:35.43 | levi | tristanbob: What? |
| 23:35.54 | levi | Oh, I see what you mean. |
| 23:40.36 | Lone_Wanderer | nick125_lappy: didn't have no? |
| 23:50.31 | mheath | Wow, he wasn't joking... |
| 23:50.45 | mheath | Our CO was saying that he sees job listings that specifically ask for Navy nuclear experience. |
| 23:51.34 | mheath | I love the fact that when I get out of the Navy at 23 years old, I will be qualified for a Senior Engineer or supervisor position working at a major nuclear reactor for a major power company, starting at upwards of $80,000 in pay. |
| 23:54.06 | Lone_Wanderer | So do we. Tell us more about it, we're fascinated with your future career options! |
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| 23:59.59 | atoponce | bummer. i was looking forward to his *very* optimistic career future |
