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| 00:04.28 | vontropp | arg! c# isn't even smart enough to tell me if [0,1] == [0,1] |
| 00:06.15 | tene | what does it tell you when you ask? |
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| 00:08.30 | vontropp | false |
| 00:08.35 | vontropp | always false |
| 00:08.43 | vontropp | unless it's the actual same object |
| 00:08.49 | vontropp | how useful is that, anyway |
| 00:09.05 | vontropp | now i have to do ary1.Equals(ary2) |
| 00:09.17 | tene | Perhaps there are a few situations that become awkward when you don't have that ability? |
| 00:09.22 | vontropp | which is bad enough without every other thing in the language capitalized |
| 00:09.30 | tene | Ooo! I know this one! |
| 00:09.36 | tene | Overload the '==' operator! |
| 00:10.16 | vontropp | which is the more common case, testing if arrays contain the same things or testing if it's _the_ same array |
| 00:10.29 | vontropp | i say it's the former |
| 00:10.57 | tene | I agree. |
| 00:11.09 | tene | but which is easier to implement? |
| 00:11.39 | vontropp | why would you ever care if it's the same object? if you do why not just obj.SomekindOFObjectid == obj2.SomeKindoFobjectID |
| 00:12.40 | tene | pugs> 1..6 == 1..6 |
| 00:12.40 | tene | Bool::True |
| 00:12.49 | vontropp | that brings me to one of the great ruby philosophies, don't underestimate the human factor |
| 00:12.51 | tene | I bet now you wish you were working in Perl 6! |
| 00:13.14 | vontropp | the machine doesn't care what's easier or more efficient |
| 00:13.24 | tene | Hmm. I was going to go from that into baseless zealotry, but I now realize that I don't know how to do that. |
| 00:13.40 | vontropp | and the programmer only cares that he gets the correct behaviour |
| 00:14.29 | vontropp | perl 6 does sound really cool, and i would much rather be using it than this "hurt your eyes" studio pro 2005 |
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| 00:54.47 | findlay | Mahler's 2nd symphony sounds a lot like Bruckner |
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| 01:27.17 | SpecialZ | ~zap findlay |
| 01:27.22 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives findlay a good jolt. |
| 01:28.29 | findlay | ~shoot SpecialZ |
| 01:28.30 | ibot | ACTION shoots SpecialZ in the eye with a quantum singularity weapon! |
| 01:29.42 | SpecialZ | ~kill findlay |
| 01:29.43 | ibot | ACTION shoots a charged pseudograviton gun at findlay |
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| 01:42.13 | findlay | someday I'll be able to lart like emcnabb, with abandon |
| 01:42.17 | brac | someday I'll be going to actually write programs in pretty much memorized the relevant code |
| 01:42.50 | findlay | ~lart emcnabb with abandon |
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| 03:00.33 | findlay | I have a wierd problem |
| 03:00.59 | findlay | I have this web page where the browser won't load the style |
| 03:01.14 | findlay | although I can access the css file from the browser |
| 03:01.31 | findlay | does anybody know why it would do that? |
| 03:14.20 | jsmith | Nope... install Firebug and see if it helps? |
| 03:23.31 | findlay | jsmith: at least one other site on the same apache server is having the same problem, so I guess it's something in the apache conf file |
| 03:23.43 | jsmith | Very possible |
| 03:35.50 | QBFreak | findlay: can you check the apache error log? |
| 03:36.10 | QBFreak | find out if the browser requested it, and if so, what the status code was |
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| 05:04.41 | brac | ibot gives maquis a big pan with veggies inside and cooks lars-ut on 350 for an hour |
| 05:06.29 | findlay | QBFreak: the browser didn't request it, nor did anything show up in the error log |
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| 14:53.22 | mheath | Good morning. |
| 14:53.28 | mheath | Weekends are great! |
| 14:58.15 | mheath | Apparently you're all busy doing things more exciting than me, though :P |
| 15:00.36 | atoponce | i'm going to be antagonistic here, and say that you're not mheath, but an impersonator |
| 15:03.15 | mheath | Alas, an impersonator would probably me doing something more interesting than sitting here on a free-to-use computer on a military base. |
| 15:04.09 | atoponce | who is 'Chris T'? |
| 15:04.42 | mheath | the previous person to use this computer |
| 15:04.51 | mheath | I was too lazy to properly configure MIRC |
| 15:04.54 | mheath | don't know how, either. |
| 15:05.20 | mheath | Interestingly enough, though, I think he was a gentoo developer. The e-mail address mIRC wants has an @gentoo.org address.. |
| 15:06.37 | mheath | atoponce: How have you been, though? |
| 15:07.15 | atoponce | not bad |
| 15:08.35 | mheath | I'm having an outstanding (minus the week long hospital visit) time here in Charleston |
| 15:08.49 | mheath | Trying to stop money from burning too much of a hole in my pocket :P |
| 15:11.35 | mheath | All on upgrades for my laptop that I can't even use until it arrives in the mail |
| 15:11.55 | mheath | though I just had my dad mail my old laptop vice wasting my money on a new one. |
| 15:22.38 | mheath | Again....way too quiet in here :P |
| 15:27.55 | elg | -metar klru |
| 15:27.56 | brac | KLRU 241513Z AUTO 10SM CLR 04/M06 A3003 RMK AO2 |
| 15:29.38 | goozbach | chat with the bot |
| 15:29.42 | goozbach | -chat |
| 15:29.42 | brac | ~lart mheath for having to download 700M or so shells on my todo list are rss and comments... |
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| 17:19.14 | QBFreak | findlay: and was it properly referenced in the page? if the browser never requested it I don't think its anything the webserver did |
| 17:19.59 | findlay | QBFreak: yes, it was |
| 17:20.11 | QBFreak | weeird |
| 17:20.46 | findlay | here's the site: castlerockpromotions.com |
| 17:22.19 | QBFreak | it looks fine to me, is there a particular style sheet that wasn't working? or was it getting none? |
| 17:22.36 | findlay | QBFreak: do you mean the style is loading for you? |
| 17:22.55 | QBFreak | yeah, both layout.css and parts.css |
| 17:22.57 | findlay | I'm getting no style |
| 17:23.24 | QBFreak | Firefox 1.5.0.9 under WinXP |
| 17:23.39 | findlay | hm |
| 17:24.10 | QBFreak | its also loading in IE 6 |
| 17:25.44 | findlay | well, that's a much narrower, less depressing problem |
| 17:25.52 | findlay | still I don't get it |
| 17:26.15 | QBFreak | if you request just the CSS in the browser, does it load it? |
| 17:26.33 | findlay | yes |
| 17:28.03 | QBFreak | do you have firefox? if so you can right-click on the page and choose View Page Info, the stylesheet should be listed on the Links tab |
| 17:29.01 | findlay | yeah, they're both therre |
| 17:29.04 | findlay | s/rr/r |
| 17:29.10 | QBFreak | and the URLs are correct? |
| 17:29.33 | findlay | yes |
| 17:31.09 | QBFreak | could the browser have any sort of other style settings that could be overriding the sheets for the page? |
| 17:32.07 | QBFreak | firefox does have a "No Page Style" setting under View -> Page Style |
| 17:32.38 | findlay | I already checked the menu option. I don't know otherwise why it would do this |
| 17:33.12 | QBFreak | weeird |
| 17:33.30 | QBFreak | I'm not familiar enough with this stuff to guess anything else :) |
| 17:34.08 | findlay | could a proxy cache local to the server be screwing up things? |
| 17:34.55 | QBFreak | entirely possible |
| 17:35.09 | findlay | that's all that I can think of |
| 17:35.19 | QBFreak | I don't trust those things :) |
| 17:35.27 | findlay | I know what you mean |
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| 19:22.58 | elg | what the flip? What's the point of writing a program called appletviewer and then requiring you to still wrap your applet in HTML? |
| 19:51.19 | elg | I have to give a size? |
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| 19:59.19 | elg | sigh |
| 19:59.21 | elg | this is a disaster |
| 20:00.02 | graphyx | -chat about a disaster |
| 20:00.02 | brac | a disaster |
| 20:00.04 | elg | they were asked to make an interactive testing applet. they weren't given much instruction |
| 20:00.23 | elg | so I click on the button that tests the method addAfter() |
| 20:00.36 | elg | the little window says "4.0 has been added to the sequence" |
| 20:01.14 | elg | i have no way to print out the array |
| 20:01.22 | elg | this is, in general testing at its worst |
| 20:01.46 | elg | who EVER does interactive testing in an applet? You write tests that can be regressed! |
| 20:02.05 | elg | this class is so messed up |
| 20:02.41 | elg | it's a stellar example of how not to do software development |
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| 20:35.44 | Supaplex | atleast ibot has wet sloppy kisses and mono to keep you company |
| 20:58.55 | tensai | ~lart tensai's garage door opener |
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| 21:32.19 | stuporglue | If I want a script to kick off another process, and then exit, should I be looking at fork, exec or something else entirely? |
| 21:32.38 | graphyx | tensai: what is wrong with your garage door opener? |
| 21:33.39 | tensai | graphyx: the motor is hosed. it makes a horrible noise and the gear doesn't spin. |
| 21:34.45 | graphyx | I had that happen to me |
| 21:34.54 | graphyx | Do you have tools |
| 21:35.03 | graphyx | and are you not afraid to use them? |
| 21:35.15 | tensai | I have an assortment of tools |
| 21:35.31 | tensai | I've got the opener down and half open |
| 21:35.37 | tensai | looks greek to me |
| 21:35.50 | graphyx | what type? |
| 21:36.01 | graphyx | http://cgi.ebay.com/LIFTMASTER-SEARS-GARAGE-DOOR-OPENER-GEAR-KIT_W0QQitemZ260089661242QQihZ016QQcategoryZ42364QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 21:36.10 | graphyx | This might fix it |
| 21:36.35 | graphyx | That kit is valid for probably most of the garage door openers that have been made in the past 8 years |
| 21:36.54 | graphyx | I had that happen to me and I fixed it on my own. |
| 21:36.56 | tensai | I think mine is a chamberlain |
| 21:37.04 | graphyx | That is what mine was |
| 21:37.08 | graphyx | what year? |
| 21:37.19 | tensai | brb |
| 21:38.46 | tensai | ok, got the manual now. it's a '93 chamberlain |
| 21:38.54 | graphyx | 93; hmm... |
| 21:39.00 | graphyx | that might be a bit older |
| 21:39.30 | graphyx | Send that guy on email and ask if the kit will work for that year and model |
| 21:39.37 | graphyx | He will probably know |
| 21:40.53 | tensai | hmm. think they'd have a kit like that at sears or home depot? |
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| 22:38.09 | tensai | graphyx: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070129181439AA9Lw3B |
| 22:38.59 | tensai | graphyx: that's pretty much what I'm seeing. is that anything like what you had? |
| 22:56.37 | tensai | graphyx: http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/tmp/motor.jpg |
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