| 00:00.04 | atoponce | yeah |
| 00:00.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Without prior knowledge of what the key is, no one would ever find it out |
| 00:00.06 | atoponce | makes sense |
| 00:00.29 | ScytheBlade1 | It works well |
| 00:00.44 | ScytheBlade1 | But also, I'm incredibly curious as to what you came up with now |
| 00:00.49 | findlay | usb is so slow |
| 00:00.54 | atoponce | but, as you said, you just coevering the initial problem with itself. but, it is a level of obscurity |
| 00:01.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 00:01.33 | ScytheBlade1 | If you found a way that didn't involve covering the problem with more of the problem, well, I'd be very impressed ;) |
| 00:01.43 | atoponce | i did. :) |
| 00:01.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Well thanks, now I'm HORRIBLY curious |
| 00:02.04 | elg | just crack in and see for yourself |
| 00:02.11 | brac | just crack in and the connection when it has a new study from England claims that the inventor of a display that is awesome, I wish i wasn't smart enough to get attention? |
| 00:02.32 | findlay | brac: you are funny |
| 00:02.32 | brac | okies! |
| 00:02.38 | findlay | -you |
| 00:02.44 | elg | -you? |
| 00:02.44 | brac | you are funny |
| 00:02.49 | findlay | brac: what is you? |
| 00:02.49 | brac | you best check yo'self! |
| 00:02.54 | findlay | whatever |
| 00:04.23 | Lone_Wanderer | before you wreck yo' country's socio-economic well being! |
| 00:04.48 | elg | I love my daylight bulb |
| 00:07.43 | redbeard2 | ~elg++ |
| 00:07.55 | redbeard2 | elg: i liked your response |
| 00:09.05 | findlay | ScytheBlade1: atoponce is doing all sorts of personal communications over the internet wonders |
| 00:09.10 | redbeard2 | you might want to check out that "Bad Gateway" error on your server tho |
| 00:09.24 | findlay | atoponce: I think its time for a presentation |
| 00:11.37 | ScytheBlade1 | findlay, he's also a crypto geek, as am I, hence my amazing curiosity |
| 00:12.28 | tensai | elg: you really fixed up my mp3 sync script with the time offset thingy |
| 00:12.30 | tensai | ~elg++ |
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| 00:29.06 | redbeard2 | has anyone here heard of a bill passed almost two years ago requiring utah blogs to provide a content rating? |
| 00:29.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Er, no? |
| 00:29.46 | redbeard2 | that's what i thought |
| 00:29.56 | redbeard2 | i hadn't either, until i stumbled upon it today |
| 00:31.05 | redbeard2 | HB 260: "AMENDMENTS RELATED TO PORNOGRAPHIC AND HARMFUL MATERIALS" |
| 00:31.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:31.24 | Lone_Wanderer | So... |
| 00:31.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Why am I not surprised in the least |
| 00:31.35 | Lone_Wanderer | How exactly are we required to provide this content rating? |
| 00:31.41 | redbeard2 | no clue |
| 00:31.57 | redbeard2 | according to the bill, they're supposed to have done public service announcements |
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| 00:33.05 | redbeard2 | here's the bill itself: http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2005/bills/hbillenr/hb0260.htm |
| 00:33.08 | brac | [Utah Legislature HB0260] |
| 00:34.44 | elg | wassup? |
| 00:35.19 | redbeard2 | dude, elg. i posted a link to your comment. |
| 00:35.32 | nick125_lappy | ... |
| 00:36.44 | redbeard2 | so, one of my favorite parts of the bill: "This bill: requires the Division of Consumer Protection to make public service announcements" |
| 00:37.12 | redbeard2 | "...requires Internet content providers that create or host data in Utah to properly rate the data" |
| 00:37.27 | redbeard2 | "...provides a criminal penalty for a content provider's failure to properly rate content" |
| 00:37.57 | nick125_lappy | That is really dumb... |
| 00:38.11 | redbeard2 | you'd think they could have bothered to tell somebody... you know... like utah hosting providers? |
| 00:38.32 | redbeard2 | i host my blog in utah... it would be nice for me to know about the bill... and maybe how to comply... |
| 00:39.14 | levi_home | redbeard2: Did this thing pass? |
| 00:39.32 | redbeard2 | levi_home: apparently nearly two years ago |
| 00:40.17 | levi_home | How can you tell? |
| 00:40.23 | redbeard2 | i stumbled upon this article about an hour ago, which caused me some concern: http://www.blogherald.com/2005/03/23/utah-blogs-face-censorship-compulsory-rating-under-new-laws/ |
| 00:40.37 | macnewbold | maybe it is one of those laws that has no teeth or can't be enforced |
| 00:40.45 | macnewbold | at least we know they haven't been enforcing it yet |
| 00:40.53 | macnewbold | cause it would hvae made the news.. |
| 00:41.15 | redbeard2 | i did a search on google for "hb 260 utah bill" and found several articles on it, many of which stated that the gov did in fact sign it |
| 00:41.55 | redbeard2 | of couse, most of those articles also talked about how it's probably very unconstitutional, and highly unenforceable |
| 00:42.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe the utah legislature should take a hint :) |
| 00:42.51 | redbeard2 | i feel better knowing that nobody in here (so far at least) seems to have heard of it either before now |
| 00:43.27 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, is it syndicated to the planet? |
| 00:43.39 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: sure |
| 00:43.53 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, that's a problem then, either for you or for the planet ;) |
| 00:43.58 | elg | for the planet |
| 00:43.59 | maquis | i think for the planet |
| 00:44.05 | maquis | because they're the content providers at that point :) |
| 00:44.06 | levi_home | redbeard2: I think I recall back when it was being debated. |
| 00:44.09 | elg | she has no direct control over who syndicates her |
| 00:44.16 | elg | redbeard2: did you like my post? |
| 00:44.17 | ScytheBlade1 | That's true |
| 00:44.42 | elg | redbeard2: just rate your website XXX |
| 00:45.25 | elg | how much you want to bet not even a quarter of the government websites out of utah comply? |
| 00:45.27 | levi_home | Woo, my assembler and virtual machine work on the test program I wrote that meets the criteria for turning in the project. |
| 00:45.34 | elg | city websites, county ones, etc. |
| 00:46.28 | redbeard2 | so, in looking for more information about this bill, i'm seeing the occassional article talking about how it's getting ready to be passed, several about how it has been passed, and tons about how stupid it is |
| 00:46.41 | redbeard2 | but that's it. nothing about it being repealed or anything. |
| 00:46.53 | maquis | redbeard2: interesting |
| 00:47.03 | redbeard2 | so at the moment, until i can find otherwise, i'm going to assume that it's still in effect |
| 00:47.20 | redbeard2 | and since i don't know how to comply, that makes me a criminal. w00t! |
| 00:47.29 | redbeard2 | ~steal donuts from elg |
| 00:47.32 | ibot | ACTION grabs donuts from elg and gives it to redbeard2 |
| 00:47.40 | levi_home | I'm sure all of us are technically criminals in some way or another. |
| 00:47.45 | redbeard2 | once i realized i was a criminal, it was a slippery slope |
| 00:49.16 | levi_home | Man, this program required amazingly little debugging. |
| 00:49.40 | levi_home | Most of the bugs were in the assembler. |
| 00:49.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Woo, I'm a criminal too! |
| 00:50.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Actually I don't know if my blog is hosted in Utah or not. |
| 00:51.44 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer brings up an interesting point |
| 00:51.57 | maquis | what about a hosting company that happens to be located in utah... |
| 00:52.08 | Lone_Wanderer | but has their servers in CA? |
| 00:52.28 | Lone_Wanderer | I should write a letter to someone important and bring up these questions. |
| 00:52.37 | maquis | but somebody uses that company without knowing that their site is now hosted in utah |
| 00:52.47 | maquis | and doesn't keep up on utah legislation anyways |
| 00:53.09 | maquis | because, if those public service announcements were occuring, i still doubt they'd occur outside of utah |
| 00:53.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Not knowing the law has never been an excuse for breaking the law. |
| 00:53.43 | redbeard2 | that is terribly interesting. i work for one hosting company, and there's a second hosting company upstairs from us. |
| 00:54.03 | redbeard2 | our servers are in california and washington, but our neighbors are likely hosted in utah |
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| 01:00.50 | macnewbold | we do hosting in utah too (for ourselves and customers) |
| 01:01.07 | macnewbold | but I have no idea where the big public blog sites are hosted |
| 01:01.11 | macnewbold | but I'd bet it isn't utah |
| 01:02.05 | redbeard2 | looking at the bill, the word "blog" isn't even mentioned. but since it applies to all content hosting, blogs are included |
| 01:03.03 | macnewbold | "content hosting" - that's broad enough to (arguably) include anything, from text to images to audio/video |
| 01:03.34 | macnewbold | you could probably argue that email is not encompassed by it though |
| 01:04.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Well it's not "hosted" in the sense that it's being offered to anyone who requests it |
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| 02:05.10 | elg | beta for intel macs |
| 02:05.23 | elg | student version |
| 02:05.37 | elg | free as in beer, until jun 30 |
| 02:05.40 | emcnabb | elg: you an your proprietary software |
| 02:05.44 | nick125_lappy | Hrm.. |
| 02:05.51 | emcnabb | way to lock yourself in buddy! |
| 02:05.57 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 02:05.59 | elg | it's that or use simulink over ssh -X |
| 02:06.02 | nick125_lappy | Why oh why does latex add a blank page after a chapter.. |
| 02:06.03 | emcnabb | ~free elg |
| 02:06.20 | nick125_lappy | /s/latex/LaTeX |
| 02:06.26 | emcnabb | well, it's time for bed |
| 02:06.26 | elg | this class will be long over by june 30 |
| 02:06.30 | elg | then I'll go back to octave :) |
| 02:06.36 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 02:06.41 | emcnabb | -lart elg |
| 02:06.49 | nick125_lappy | elg: any ideas? |
| 02:06.49 | elg | -chat |
| 02:06.51 | brac | right and give a nice 3-lane section of the window history |
| 02:07.03 | elg | probably it's supposed to |
| 02:07.14 | elg | probably so that when bound the next chapter is in The Right Place™ |
| 02:07.22 | elg | are you really sure you want to use report |
| 02:07.33 | nick125_lappy | I'm using book format |
| 02:07.34 | elg | i don't think that word means what you think it means |
| 02:07.44 | elg | ah well, even more. :) |
| 02:07.55 | elg | if you really want a book, you won't mind the extra pages |
| 02:12.11 | nick125_lappy | elg: What's the purpose of the extra page? |
| 02:12.36 | elg | probably to line up the first of the next chapter on the right side of the book |
| 02:12.40 | elg | or something like that |
| 02:12.57 | elg | or maybe just to have a blank page between chapters |
| 02:13.00 | nick125_lappy | Aaah.. |
| 02:13.14 | elg | not sure. but whatever it is you can rest assured LaTeX Knows Best |
| 02:13.24 | elg | and even if it doesn't, it will fight you tooth and nail |
| 02:16.45 | elg | does anyone have Michelle and/or Yesterday by the beatles? |
| 02:16.59 | nick125_lappy | elg: Does LaTeX have a thing for displaying code (and such)? |
| 02:27.53 | nick125_lappy | elg: Also, is there any prefered way to write bibliographies in LaTeX? |
| 02:36.35 | elg | see sections 4.5 and 4.1 of not so short introduction to LaTeX2e |
| 02:44.10 | nick125_lappy | elg: what about bibtex? |
| 02:51.04 | elg | go for it |
| 02:51.15 | elg | bibtex is a format for bibliographies |
| 02:51.38 | elg | there are tools to output the latex. might even be a way to do it semiautomatically in latex |
| 02:51.59 | elg | haven't used bibtex yet for a latex document, although I have used it for storing bibliographies |
| 02:52.03 | elg | in the form of bibdesk |
| 02:52.26 | graphyx | Interesting DoS attack against apache and IIS |
| 02:52.27 | graphyx | http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/455833 |
| 02:53.10 | levi_home | I've used bibtex before. It works well. |
| 02:53.28 | levi_home | It turns document generation to a multi-pass process, though. |
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| 02:56.24 | elg | which it technically already is with latex |
| 02:56.59 | elg | hm. this paper says to calculate this duehickey which is an integral from -inf to inf |
| 02:57.26 | elg | somehow I think they must have not gone from -inf to inf |
| 02:57.31 | elg | and must have turned the integral into a sum |
| 02:57.35 | elg | but that could just be me |
| 02:57.38 | levi_home | Heh. |
| 02:57.51 | levi_home | Wow, Gambit Scheme makes really big executables. |
| 02:57.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone know the name of the C library that implements the ipod protocol? |
| 02:58.03 | elg | cpod |
| 02:58.13 | elg | (wild guess) |
| 02:58.14 | levi_home | My virtual machine is over 3MB. |
| 02:58.18 | Lone_Wanderer | heh, that's not it. |
| 02:58.22 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm, apparently you can put linux on an ipod |
| 02:58.36 | levi_home | Lone_Wanderer: Depending on which iPod model, probably. |
| 02:58.55 | levi_home | I prefer to use my iPod as an appliance. |
| 02:59.02 | Lone_Wanderer | appliance? |
| 02:59.17 | levi_home | Yes; a music-playing appliance. |
| 02:59.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahh. |
| 02:59.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Well that's what I was going to do as well. |
| 02:59.39 | Lone_Wanderer | But then I started reading about how you can hack one and now I'm all curious. |
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| 03:00.11 | levi_home | If you want to put Linux on something, at least find a gadget with a keyboard. |
| 03:00.34 | Lone_Wanderer | I'll probably get a cheaper something and mess around with it. An ipod is an expensive thing to potentially void the warranty on and break. |
| 03:00.37 | levi_home | Or a touchpad. |
| 03:00.55 | levi_home | You can put Linux on a Zaurus or a Nintendo DS or something like that. |
| 03:01.01 | Supaplex | my teletype has plenty of ticker tape for irc. ;) |
| 03:01.10 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 03:01.11 | levi_home | Or a $40 wireless router. |
| 03:01.24 | Lone_Wanderer | what's a Zaurus? |
| 03:01.38 | levi_home | Lone_Wanderer: It's a PDA made by Sharp. |
| 03:01.47 | Supaplex | what's wikipedia? what's google? what's the interweb? |
| 03:01.51 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 03:02.12 | Lone_Wanderer | ~lart Supaplex |
| 03:02.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Luckily it was only a cartoon wall. Someone get a bike pump. |
| 03:08.39 | elg | -chat |
| 03:08.40 | brac | having a hard time thinking or something. |
| 03:08.45 | elg | i guess |
| 03:09.08 | Lone_Wanderer | -chat? |
| 03:09.08 | brac | beats me |
| 03:11.26 | Lone_Wanderer | woh |
| 03:11.45 | Lone_Wanderer | someone made his ipod output the contents of it's flash rom over the piezo speaker |
| 03:12.02 | Lone_Wanderer | and then recorded it |
| 03:12.24 | Lone_Wanderer | then turned the sound back into binary (it was compressed) |
| 03:12.28 | brac | then turned the cable modem logs |
| 03:12.50 | Lone_Wanderer | and used that to get the firmware, I believe |
| 03:16.12 | elg | heh. http://seattlerb.rubyforge.org/ImageScience.html |
| 03:16.13 | brac | [ImageScience] |
| 03:19.42 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 03:19.49 | ScytheBlade1 | The spammers know I'm on linux mailing lists |
| 03:19.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Subject: "(or the preformatted DVI or PostScript versions, for that matter), and print it out." |
| 03:21.26 | elg | heh. that sounds like brac |
| 03:22.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Here's another: The remainder of the book is dedicated to two major applications that run on top of both TCP/IP and UUCP: electronic mail and news. |
| 03:23.41 | elg | at least they have a sense of irony :) |
| 03:23.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, yeah |
| 03:33.25 | levi_home | Anyone know what command I could use in cygwin that would work like ldd does in Linux? |
| 03:40.52 | levi_home | OK, would anyone be willing to try something for me on a Windows machine? I want to see if this program has any dependencies on my system or whether it will run cleanly. |
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| 03:46.16 | Lone_Wanderer | levi_home: sure, I'm on XP. |
| 03:46.30 | findlay | General Levi: I guess you should have built it for a non windows OS, ha |
| 03:46.35 | levi_home | OK, hold on a sec. |
| 03:46.47 | levi_home | findlay: Well, it's a class assignment that has to be run on a Windows box. |
| 03:49.10 | findlay | The potato soup I make seems to always get worse with each iteration |
| 03:49.15 | levi_home | Lone_Wanderer: Grab http://lifeoflevi.com/Proj1-v1.zip and follow the directions in the README |
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| 03:49.37 | Lone_Wanderer | okay |
| 03:49.56 | tene | There's something slightly disturbing about someone with the nick "BALLIN4REALS" giving helpful advice in #math |
| 03:50.18 | levi_home | Heh. |
| 03:50.40 | Lone_Wanderer | So I run vm.exe proj1.asm |
| 03:50.42 | Lone_Wanderer | right? |
| 03:50.47 | findlay | ~nickometer BALLIN4REALS |
| 03:50.48 | levi_home | Lone_Wanderer: Yup. |
| 03:52.42 | levi_home | Lone_Wanderer: Does it run? |
| 03:52.49 | findlay | tene: indeed. They mispelled Balin, king of Moria |
| 03:52.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Yep. |
| 03:52.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Just did it now. Someone called. |
| 03:53.01 | Lone_Wanderer | You want the numbers/ |
| 03:53.03 | Lone_Wanderer | ? |
| 03:53.43 | levi_home | Nope, I just wanted to confirm that it didn't require the Gambit library to be installed. |
| 03:53.51 | Lone_Wanderer | okay, cool. yeah it ran fine. |
| 03:53.55 | levi_home | Nice. |
| 03:54.00 | levi_home | Whew, I'm done. |
| 03:54.05 | levi_home | Thanks for the help. |
| 03:54.06 | findlay | although I don't think Balin has ever used IRC before as this nick seems to assert |
| 03:54.47 | balrog | p|-|34R /\/\3!1 |
| 03:54.48 | tene | Heh. |
| 03:56.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, there we go. See you all later. |
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| 04:10.27 | elg | ¡mira el queso! |
| 04:11.09 | tene | Hmm. Maybe I should learn Haskell. |
| 04:13.15 | levi_home | Maybe you should! |
| 04:15.03 | atoponce | desirelessless? |
| 04:15.06 | beandog | all you need is LOGO |
| 04:15.18 | tene | Hmm. Maybe I should learn LOGO. |
| 04:15.21 | beandog | yah I wasnt sure if that was too many |
| 04:15.38 | findlay | LEGO? |
| 04:15.38 | levi_home | Maybe you should learn LOGO, too. :) |
| 04:15.46 | beandog | atoponce: did you solve your seekrit key issue |
| 04:15.52 | beandog | or were you just teasing us with promises of tomorrow |
| 04:15.52 | findlay | yeah, learn LEGO |
| 04:15.53 | atoponce | beandog: of course. |
| 04:15.58 | tene | Hmm. Maybe I should learn... |
| 04:16.01 | tene | ~lart beandog |
| 04:16.03 | tene | -lart beandog |
| 04:16.08 | tene | ~zap beandog |
| 04:16.09 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives beandog a good jolt. |
| 04:16.11 | tene | ~kill beandog |
| 04:16.12 | ibot | ACTION shoots a charged pseudoneutron gun at beandog |
| 04:16.12 | atoponce | beandog: i have the post already written, and the timestamp is set for tomorrow |
| 04:16.16 | tene | ~nuke beandog |
| 04:16.18 | ibot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at beandog ... B☢☢M! |
| 04:16.33 | tene | ~cook beandog |
| 04:16.34 | ibot | ACTION throws beandog in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks beandog on 350 for an hour |
| 04:16.34 | atoponce | someone wokeup on the wrong side of the bed... |
| 04:16.48 | findlay | tene: you need to learn LEGO |
| 04:16.49 | tene | ~wakeuponthewrongsideofthebed beandog |
| 04:17.46 | maquis | ~lart * |
| 04:17.58 | findlay | evidently it's the language they use for the little interlocking plastic bricks |
| 04:18.29 | atoponce | findlay: is lego good for building star wars ships and robots? |
| 04:18.45 | findlay | don't know |
| 04:18.53 | atoponce | don't know lego? |
| 04:19.18 | findlay | LEGO(R) is good for <insert your favorite language feature> |
| 04:19.31 | atoponce | but i've since lost all my resources and tools for building |
| 04:19.57 | beandog | please, its LEGOS |
| 04:20.03 | beandog | don't send the correction police after you. |
| 04:20.04 | findlay | no matter what your project it, you're always 1-5 bricks short |
| 04:20.33 | findlay | I was envious of my little brother. He inherited all of our legos (: |
| 04:20.46 | findlay | he had a couple thousand pieces probably |
| 04:22.21 | findlay | there should be ETHOS and PATHOS languages to compliment LOGOS |
| 04:24.54 | atoponce | ETHOS®- Extend your LEGOS® collection with this expansion pack! |
| 04:25.59 | findlay | PATHOS(R) - Add some feeling to your LEGOS(R) structures. |
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| 04:26.57 | atoponce | ibot: how morbid |
| 04:27.53 | harleypig | That's me! |
| 04:27.56 | tene | -chat about coming up |
| 04:27.57 | brac | coming up with the stock price, I can compile it. =) |
| 04:29.48 | findlay | ~chat about what features |
| 04:29.54 | findlay | -chat about what features |
| 04:29.55 | brac | what features such languages would be like backcountry.com though ;-) |
| 04:30.18 | atoponce | -upgrade |
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| 04:34.13 | findlay | ibot: when everything is coming up dead is you're roses |
| 04:34.14 | ibot | findlay: what are you talking about? |
| 04:34.24 | findlay | ibot: when everything is coming up dead you're roses |
| 04:34.25 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, findlay |
| 04:40.39 | findlay | -chat about tene is |
| 04:40.39 | brac | tene is Tenebram, or the computer and music player metadata display features don't usually fit 12 HD eps on one box |
| 05:08.33 | findlay | levi_home: it looks like I'm finally getting around to learning scheme |
| 05:08.44 | atoponce | red |
| 05:08.51 | tene | Bah, scheme. |
| 05:08.57 | tene | Isn't that one of those "evil" languages? |
| 05:09.15 | fozzmoo | If "evil" == "academic" |
| 05:12.53 | vontrapp | on vmnet0 and vmnet8 respectively |
| 05:17.34 | vontrapp | suppose it still actually starts and works, just without network, how does one go about using vmware? (creating a virtual machine and installing on it, etc...) |
| 05:23.39 | thesuperbigfrog | ~bless maquis |
| 05:23.41 | ibot | O $DEITY, bless our child maquis, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 05:23.52 | thesuperbigfrog | oops |
| 05:24.17 | thesuperbigfrog | ~smite ibot |
| 05:24.18 | ibot | ACTION wields the mighty blade of Argothax and cleaves ibot from crown to sole. |
| 05:28.15 | thesuperbigfrog | ibot, why can't you do something nice? |
| 05:28.31 | thesuperbigfrog | ~punish ibot |
| 05:28.32 | ibot | ACTION forces ibot to install and use Windows |
| 05:28.34 | tene | ~nice |
| 05:28.35 | ibot | well, nice is prime example of SuperJuan, or a good term for GNOME a derogatory term meaning bland, boring, feeble, or just crap. Example: That's a nice haircut. a city in france, or a program that will run a program with a modified scheduling priority (from -20 to 19, where 19 is the lowest). |
| 05:30.02 | thesuperbigfrog | ~? |
| 05:30.22 | thesuperbigfrog | ~self-destruct |
| 05:30.40 | thesuperbigfrog | ~explode ibot |
| 05:30.41 | ibot | ACTION blows up ibot with bombs |
| 05:30.55 | thesuperbigfrog | ~ibot |
| 05:30.56 | ibot | hmm... ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
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| 07:00.51 | findlay | who took yesterday? I wasn't done with it yet |
| 07:02.56 | tene | :( |
| 07:03.00 | tene | </day> |
| 07:03.02 | tene | <day> |
| 07:03.48 | findlay | tene: you have a disturbingly pervasive knowledge of Markup Language |
| 07:04.00 | tene | Howso? |
| 07:05.48 | findlay | <findlay respondant="tene" hyperbole="mild" value="just because" /> |
| 07:07.45 | tene | (tene (respondant 'findlay) (color 'orange)) |
| 07:08.31 | thesuperbigfrog | -chat |
| 07:08.32 | brac | of course, you're referring to. |
| 07:08.39 | thesuperbigfrog | -chat |
| 07:08.39 | brac | QBFreak just noticed the collection of 17GB of mp3s with one or not away, lars-ut-away... |
| 07:09.03 | thesuperbigfrog | -roulette |
| 07:09.04 | brac | thesuperbigfrog: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 07:09.13 | tene | -roulette |
| 07:09.13 | brac | tene: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+ |
| 07:09.20 | thesuperbigfrog | -roulette |
| 07:09.20 | brac | thesuperbigfrog: chamber 5 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 07:11.19 | findlay | tene: aw you got me with that one |
| 07:11.35 | findlay | tene is the ML master |
| 07:11.50 | tene | ibot: tene is also the ML master |
| 07:11.53 | ibot | tene: okay |
| 07:14.23 | findlay | ~teme |
| 07:14.27 | findlay | ~tene |
| 07:14.29 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, tene is Tenebram, or the king of pirate, or my god, or chocolate frosted sugar bombs, or a liar, or more winningish than goozbach, or evil, or the ML master |
| 07:14.52 | findlay | ~findlay |
| 07:15.27 | findlay | ibot: findlay is here |
| 07:15.29 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps is here. |
| 07:15.39 | findlay | whatever |
| 07:43.23 | findlay | so Cuba and Venesuala are going open source |
| 07:43.35 | findlay | I guess it really is commie code |
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| 13:34.45 | goozbach | good morning |
| 13:35.28 | jsmith | morning goozbach |
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| 14:12.02 | elg | -chat |
| 14:12.03 | brac | its a lot easier |
| 14:12.57 | jsmith | -chat about its a |
| 14:12.57 | brac | its a typical FM radio stations as extensions. i.e. she dials 1019, she gets 101.9's phone number here, I'll watch my mouth. |
| 14:13.23 | jsmith | Hey, it's even Asterisk related ;-) |
| 14:16.43 | goozbach | yay pineapple! |
| 14:18.59 | graphyx | I didn't see any *'s in there. |
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| 14:19.29 | graphyx | What? |
| 14:19.35 | graphyx | you had a kid? |
| 14:19.43 | redbeard1 | yeah dude |
| 14:19.53 | redbeard1 | didn't you read about her on my blog? |
| 14:22.32 | elg | ~spawn redbeard1 |
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| 14:49.50 | ^Migs^ | free Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 download: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=04D26402-3199-48A3-AFA2-2DC0B40A73B6&displaylang=en |
| 14:52.52 | ^Migs^ | omgfreepancakes! http://www.ihop.com/tellafriend.php |
| 14:53.23 | graphyx | redbeard1: no |
| 14:54.04 | redbeard1 | graphyx: 8 days ago, it was a little girl |
| 14:54.14 | graphyx | Good job |
| 14:54.23 | redbeard1 | thanks man |
| 14:54.31 | graphyx | Hope you dont miss sleeping too much |
| 14:54.46 | redbeard1 | i've slept fine, actually |
| 14:54.58 | redbeard1 | we have her on a schedule, and she sticks pretty close to it |
| 14:55.04 | graphyx | Hope your wife doesn't miss sleeping. |
| 14:55.20 | graphyx | Well my wife is pregnant now as well. |
| 14:55.22 | redbeard1 | oh, she does. |
| 14:55.25 | graphyx | Due is sept |
| 14:55.37 | redbeard1 | dude, that's awesome! you know what it is yet? |
| 14:55.38 | graphyx | due in sept |
| 14:55.47 | graphyx | Definitely human |
| 14:56.02 | graphyx | further details pending |
| 14:56.47 | graphyx | But our other kids are sold on the concept of twins. |
| 14:57.06 | graphyx | Each time that they say prayers they ask that mom can have 2 babies. |
| 14:57.27 | graphyx | As my son puts it two babies on the same day |
| 14:57.34 | elg | i wouldn't eat ihop if you paid me |
| 14:57.35 | graphyx | and my daughter 2 girls. |
| 14:57.40 | elg | unless you paid me really well |
| 14:57.54 | redbeard1 | just hope the doctor doesn't say "and there's the first heartbeat" |
| 14:58.25 | graphyx | how would they know if they should expect a second heartbeat? |
| 14:58.37 | graphyx | my wife thinks that she would love twins |
| 14:58.41 | redbeard1 | actually, had it thought of it beforehand, i would have called the midwife and bribed her to say that |
| 14:58.59 | graphyx | Says that 6 would be enough and that she wouldn't have to get pregnant any more |
| 14:59.09 | ^Migs^ | I think 12 is enough |
| 14:59.17 | graphyx | which really hits her hard |
| 14:59.30 | graphyx | she gets morning sickness really bad |
| 14:59.59 | graphyx | After she threw up so much that her throat started to bleed she got medicine |
| 15:00.32 | graphyx | It is the same medicine used on cancer patients who undergo chemo therapy. |
| 15:00.46 | graphyx | only $260/weeks worth |
| 15:00.58 | redbeard1 | oh man. i know that stuff. |
| 15:01.15 | redbeard1 | i still have some left over from my surgery a couple of months ago. |
| 15:01.41 | graphyx | The Fenagren stuff which was used before was found to cause bitch defects. |
| 15:01.47 | graphyx | birth |
| 15:01.56 | graphyx | that was a bad typo |
| 15:02.51 | elg | I have read 10 out of 148 now |
| 15:03.11 | graphyx | Fortunately since she is due in sept, we were going to max out our out of pocket expenses this year so it isn't a big deal. |
| 15:03.37 | elg | and they're almost all about beat tracking. haven't even gathered papers about pitch recognition or chord recognition or overall transcription or song structure, key signature, whatever |
| 15:04.02 | elg | I think I might see if I should focus a little tighter |
| 15:09.28 | redbeard1 | graphyx: wait, what? really? it was found to cause birth defects? |
| 15:09.36 | redbeard1 | that's what my wife was taking for her morning sickness |
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| 15:26.40 | graphyx | redbeard1: yeah |
| 15:26.58 | graphyx | Our doc wouldn't give it to my wife due to that |
| 15:34.36 | redbeard1 | graphyx: well, i loved the cancer patient stuff. it worked really fast, and for some reason, the painkillers that i got for my surgery made me really, really sick. and with our insurance, it went from $250/bottle down to $25/bottle |
| 15:36.52 | graphyx | Our insurance is a high deductible insurance. We have to pay 1100\2200 out of pocket before a 90% deduction kicks in. |
| 15:37.06 | redbeard1 | ouch |
| 15:37.51 | graphyx | It isn't the best but it does beat the insurance that left us with a 6000$ hospital bill from out last kid. |
| 15:38.37 | redbeard1 | ouch |
| 15:39.16 | graphyx | So we got that paid off and if it weren't for having to purchase a new (to us) car we would be without debt (except for student loans and mortgages) |
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| 15:46.46 | tristanbob | I can't find the right commands to allow someone to become an op in my channel |
| 15:47.08 | ^Migs^ | is it /mode +o? |
| 15:48.59 | tristanbob | I can promote them once |
| 15:49.12 | tristanbob | but I want them to be promoted by chanserv |
| 15:49.18 | tristanbob | like I am |
| 15:49.32 | tristanbob | s/once/manually/ |
| 15:49.46 | elg | nifty. http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2007/02/sony_reader.html |
| 15:50.13 | elg | and http://www.learningcenter.sony.us/assets/pa/prs/index.html?hqs=learn |
| 15:50.15 | brac | [Sony - Reader] |
| 15:51.59 | elg | but who wants to bet it's a lame format and hard to talk to from linux? gotta love sony |
| 15:52.20 | redbeard1 | ~lart sony |
| 15:52.31 | redbeard1 | wow. how apropros. |
| 15:52.52 | elg | still, it's good to see something epaperish come to market. I can't wait til these sorts of things are as ubiquitous as mp3 players |
| 15:53.15 | elg | i'll buy one that's semiaffordable, talks to linux, and works on an open format |
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| 16:04.25 | levi | Good morning. |
| 16:05.16 | redbeard1 | levi, good morning |
| 16:05.22 | levi | redbeard1: How goes? |
| 16:05.36 | redbeard1 | good, good |
| 16:05.45 | levi | redbeard1: So, I've got cable now, and I've been watching the Food Network. Emeril really is calling it in these days. Yow. |
| 16:05.47 | redbeard1 | i got a response back from my congressman already |
| 16:05.48 | graphyx | He is dealing with life one scream at a time. |
| 16:06.01 | graphyx | on what? |
| 16:06.03 | redbeard1 | dude, don't watch the emeril. it's bad for you. |
| 16:06.27 | levi | No kidding. The one I watched just plain sucked. |
| 16:06.38 | levi | Good Eats is where it's at. |
| 16:06.39 | redbeard1 | graphyx: so, a couple of years ago the utah house of representatives passed a bill regarding all web content hosted in utah |
| 16:07.12 | Jayce^ | levi, Good Eats, Ham on the Street, Ace of Cakes.. |
| 16:07.13 | redbeard1 | the bill required all content to be properly rated. |
| 16:07.32 | redbeard1 | levi: check out weird foods and no reservations on the travel channel too |
| 16:07.37 | brac | check out any other window manager)? |
| 16:08.45 | graphyx | redbeard1: So if you hosted content you had to put a E pg pg13 R or NC17 rating on it? |
| 16:09.31 | redbeard1 | so apparently, all adult content hosted in utah needs to be rated. but according to the guy i emailed, unrated content is assumed to be safe. unrated adult content however, will be considered criminal |
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| 16:10.41 | graphyx | And what is your feeling on this? |
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| 16:11.47 | sargun | hey! |
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| 16:12.00 | levi | "This adult content is rated 10/10 for excellence in its genre" |
| 16:12.03 | sargun | I haven't talked to you guys in forever |
| 16:12.16 | sargun | heh |
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| 16:12.35 | redbeard1 | graphyx: doesn't bother me. i don't host adult content. and if i did, i wouldn't have been stupid enough to host in utah anyway, with or without that law. |
| 16:12.41 | ^Migs^ | http://bash.org/?728751 |
| 16:12.42 | brac | [QDB: Quote #728751] |
| 16:13.22 | levi | Someone needs to hit that kid. Hard. |
| 16:13.34 | calvarez | hmm, I like the principle behind it, but the implementation is pretty unenforceable |
| 16:13.58 | calvarez | I think ALL content on the internet should be rated according to some common standard |
| 16:14.10 | calvarez | that way censorship is unnecessary |
| 16:14.27 | calvarez | or better, censorship can be replaced by classification |
| 16:14.40 | calvarez | s/by/with/ |
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| 16:15.57 | levi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRjVeRbhtRU |
| 16:16.24 | levi | Medieval tech suppor |
| 16:16.27 | levi | support |
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| 16:24.07 | Jayce^ | moo |
| 16:24.15 | redbeard1 | moo |
| 16:24.38 | goozbach | boob! |
| 16:24.48 | neybar | freep |
| 16:25.24 | redbeard1 | neep |
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| 16:29.00 | fozzmoo | CHOCOLATE CAKE! |
| 16:29.07 | tensai | fozz is great! |
| 16:30.40 | tuple | -chat |
| 16:30.41 | brac | I preferred slow songs |
| 16:31.19 | redbeard1 | brac: why do you talk? |
| 16:31.20 | brac | you best check yo'self! |
| 16:31.53 | redbeard1 | brac: frazzle dazzle, and put on your bill cosby sweater |
| 16:34.46 | graphyx | -chan |
| 16:34.48 | graphyx | -chat |
| 16:34.49 | brac | onjoin [chan] [-]<nick> [message] |
| 16:38.51 | jsmith | -chat about graphyx is |
| 16:38.52 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
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| 16:39.09 | redbeard1 | ~yow |
| 16:39.39 | graphyx | ~gir |
| 16:39.40 | ibot | hmm... gir is a very spiffy robot from Invader Zim. Perhaps you meant 'emulate gir'. |
| 16:39.49 | Lone_Wanderer | ~emulate gir |
| 16:39.50 | ibot | yay! |
| 16:39.55 | Lone_Wanderer | xD |
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| 16:40.23 | graphyx | yes you won this time |
| 16:40.27 | brac | yes you did. |
| 16:41.12 | graphyx | yes you are riffing on this word pair. Hip? |
| 16:41.17 | brac | yes you won |
| 16:41.44 | graphyx | yes you in common? |
| 16:41.59 | redbeard1 | -this is an interesting conversation |
| 16:41.59 | brac | fine |
| 16:42.11 | redbeard1 | .-this |
| 16:42.19 | redbeard1 | oh well |
| 16:42.27 | graphyx | ~say -chat I am |
| 16:42.29 | ibot | -chat I am |
| 16:42.30 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 16:42.47 | graphyx | ~say -chat about I am |
| 16:42.48 | ibot | -chat about I am |
| 16:42.50 | brac | I am working. I'm waiting for that matter. I just decided to switch to something that I can't think of any there. |
| 16:43.03 | redbeard1 | the bots are talking? |
| 16:43.06 | redbeard1 | kind of? |
| 16:43.12 | graphyx | I suppose |
| 16:43.23 | elg | talking? |
| 16:43.43 | graphyx | That would be interesting |
| 16:44.02 | graphyx | have two bots use markov chains to converse with each other |
| 16:44.28 | graphyx | from a learned knowledge base from the channel |
| 16:45.21 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, they're talking, but only about you.. |
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| 16:59.56 | brac | When everything is an ivory tower, and it works fine |
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| 17:06.37 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 17:06.49 | sjansen | http://maroon.uchicago.edu/viewpoints/articles/2004/05/15/the_care_bear_stare_.php |
| 17:06.50 | brac | [The Care Bear Stare vs. adult goths] |
| 17:09.39 | elg | oh my |
| 17:13.38 | tensai | elg: I like the new brac |
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| 17:20.32 | elg | me too |
| 17:29.46 | findlay | hello |
| 17:30.40 | atoponce | moo |
| 17:30.46 | fozzmoo | What?! |
| 17:30.50 | fozzmoo | oh. never mind. |
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| 17:36.52 | atoponce | anyone familiar with svn enough to answer a simple (hopefully) question? |
| 17:36.59 | brac | anyone familiar with perl, of course, so is he involved in a reasonable thing to do some REALLY sweet |
| 17:37.25 | macnewbold | brac is a |
| 17:37.58 | elg | atoponce: I can answer a simple question |
| 17:38.04 | brac | I can anyways, thanks |
| 17:38.09 | elg | use me as your litmus test |
| 17:39.35 | ^Migs^ | http://junipero.3sheep.com/~biff/officework.wmv |
| 17:42.06 | atoponce | elg: i need to exlude a file from commit. how? |
| 17:43.01 | elg | svn ci all_the_other_files |
| 17:43.11 | elg | if that's a pain, I'm not sure |
| 17:43.21 | atoponce | yeah. it's a big list |
| 17:43.24 | elg | can't you edit the list of files to be commited in the log message? |
| 17:43.28 | elg | or is that svk? |
| 17:43.34 | atoponce | don't know |
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| 18:31.50 | graphyx | elg: what controls how often brac will chat on his own? |
| 18:32.27 | macnewbold | brac is an uncontrollable robot - he'll do what he want, when he wants |
| 18:32.45 | graphyx | ~emulate gir |
| 18:32.47 | ibot | my walnuts! |
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| 18:36.12 | graphyx | -chat about brac is |
| 18:36.13 | brac | brac is behaving himself |
| 18:36.24 | graphyx | -chat about I am |
| 18:36.24 | brac | I am freer than those Blue/Red+Khaki uniforms. |
| 18:36.34 | graphyx | -chat about I am |
| 18:36.37 | brac | I am a blootbot |
| 18:37.38 | levi | Woo, live video/audio feed of the Tour of California. |
| 18:37.53 | findlay | in ascii? |
| 18:38.34 | levi | No, it's a flash applet. |
| 18:43.53 | Supaplex | b00000ooring |
| 18:47.17 | ^Migs^ | http://www.vespa-crabro.de/vespa-mandarinia/vespa-mandarinia.jpg |
| 18:47.28 | ^Migs^ | Asian Giant Hornet. I hope I never see one of those. |
| 18:47.43 | levi | Yow. |
| 18:47.52 | ^Migs^ | this is crazy, too: http://educatedearth.net/video.php?id=2728 30 of those giant hornets vs 30,000 honeybees |
| 18:47.56 | brac | [Educated Earth // Videos - Life - 30 Hornets vs 30,000 Bees] |
| 18:48.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Who wins? |
| 18:48.46 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm, I wonder if the asian giant hornets make for good eatin' |
| 18:49.16 | findlay | F/A-18 Hornets? |
| 18:49.45 | findlay | those are pretty large |
| 18:50.13 | Lone_Wanderer | I bet that those hornets are skirting the upper limit on size |
| 18:50.20 | Lone_Wanderer | while still being able to fly like an insect |
| 18:50.28 | findlay | yeah |
| 18:50.49 | Lone_Wanderer | holy crap they're just ripping them in half |
| 18:51.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh the huma... insectanity! |
| 18:51.44 | findlay | but no number of bees could stand against an F/A-18 |
| 18:54.26 | Lone_Wanderer | It's like Hillsbrad |
| 18:54.38 | Lone_Wanderer | and the hornets are the Alliance. |
| 18:55.39 | mrpull | http://www.consumerist.com/consumer/clips/419ers-scambaited-into-recreating-monty-pyton-dead-parrot-sketch-238078.php |
| 18:58.03 | Lone_Wanderer | (And you know you play too much WoW when nature shows make you think of it.) |
| 19:01.37 | Lone_Wanderer | These guys are actually fairly decent. |
| 19:01.58 | mrpull | sometimes even easier to understand than the real thing |
| 19:04.53 | graphyx | findlay: I think that if the air was thick enough with bees it could make an F18 hornet crash. |
| 19:07.25 | jsmith | http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=30196012&size=l |
| 19:07.25 | jsmith | That's just great... |
| 19:07.25 | Lone_Wanderer | sweet |
| 19:07.49 | Lone_Wanderer | at least they're using a standard protocol to mark up their sign :p |
| 19:07.57 | mgeary | eww. IKEA uses windows servers. |
| 19:08.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Just IE |
| 19:08.14 | Lone_Wanderer | the server could be anything |
| 19:08.22 | mgeary | well, yeah. that's true, i guess |
| 19:08.30 | mgeary | duh |
| 19:08.33 | Lone_Wanderer | ;) |
| 19:11.39 | findlay | graphyx: no way, the hornet r0x0rz! |
| 19:19.36 | bonez39 | how would I fix this problem >>>> /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: FATAL: Could not determine fully qualified hostname. Please set 'visible_hostname' |
| 19:19.42 | brac | how would they give you grief. |
| 19:20.10 | mrpull | bonez39: what is the output of the command "hostname"? |
| 19:20.28 | bonez39 | fyrenice.com |
| 19:20.58 | bonez39 | mrpull, should that be in the logrotate file? 'visible_hostname = fyrenice.com' ??? |
| 19:21.31 | mrpull | i don't know. I was looking for something more general. |
| 19:21.43 | mrpull | do you have an entry for fyrenice.com in your hosts file? |
| 19:22.29 | bonez39 | mrpull, no..not in /etc/hosts |
| 19:22.57 | bonez39 | I did have on the first line.... 127.0.0.1 localhost [then a bunch of junk here..including fyrenice.com] |
| 19:23.35 | mrpull | is it dhcp or static? |
| 19:23.43 | bonez39 | static IP to this box... |
| 19:24.15 | mrpull | it might be worthwhile to make an entry with your static ip address and all the variations of your hostname that you intend to use |
| 19:30.41 | bonez39 | add that to my /etc/hosts file? on a second line down, or all on the first line? |
| 19:32.37 | bonez39 | mrpull, ok, I see that i have to have that on there..otherwise...I'll have problems...after I update my /etc/hosts... how do I get it read in..so that other processes see the changes? |
| 19:33.29 | mrpull | you don't have to kick anything. it should be automatic. |
| 19:33.56 | mrpull | what is the output of $host <yourstaticip> |
| 19:33.56 | mrpull | ? |
| 19:33.59 | bonez39 | well, now I can't surf...it's like my network access has been pulled |
| 19:35.04 | bonez39 | $host 10.0.0.x returns... bash 10.0.0.x command not found |
| 19:35.22 | mrpull | ah. maybe your distro doesn't have the host command. |
| 19:35.37 | mrpull | sounds like you should backout the changes you made to your hosts file. |
| 19:36.10 | mrpull | the changes I recommended shouldn't have had a negative effect on surfing |
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| 19:39.42 | findlay | stupid network |
| 19:40.03 | findlay | it times out right after somebody starts to answer my question |
| 19:41.11 | bonez39 | clearly, I am able to connect here..but I can't open any url.....in firefox |
| 19:44.44 | macnewbold | findlay: the last time you left, it says it was for Excess Flood, not network time out |
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| 19:45.59 | findlay | macnewbold: yes that's because I got very angry and pinged chanserv about 100 times |
| 19:46.44 | findlay | it was lagging around 150s before it reconnected and then sent all those ctcp's (-: |
| 19:46.58 | macnewbold | ah :) |
| 19:47.06 | macnewbold | fun stuff |
| 19:47.29 | elg | ~gaussian |
| 19:47.52 | elg | ~guassian is pure beauty |
| 19:47.53 | ibot | elg: okay |
| 19:48.11 | findlay | ~gauss elg |
| 19:48.13 | elg | ~gaussian is also G(x)=exp(-x^2/2*sigma^2) |
| 19:48.14 | ibot | okay, elg |
| 19:48.25 | findlay | ~euler elg |
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| 19:51.21 | elg | -chat about yd. ekrpat |
| 19:51.21 | brac | yd. ekrpat jrmcbiZ |
| 19:51.34 | graphyx | ok that is funny |
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| 20:17.02 | tensai | mrpull: that's great |
| 20:43.07 | findlay | ~force |
| 20:43.14 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, force is weak with me today |
| 20:43.22 | findlay | ~work |
| 20:43.23 | ibot | [work] the integral of the dot product of force and displacement |
| 20:45.58 | findlay | ibot: no force is When observed from an inertial reference frame, the vector sum of all forces on a particle is proportional to the rate of change of its linear momentum with respect to time. |
| 20:46.00 | ibot | findlay: okay |
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| 21:22.31 | harleypig | http://bash.org/?729203 |
| 21:22.34 | brac | [QDB: Quote #729203] |
| 21:22.39 | harleypig | sfw |
| 21:23.28 | findlay | ~bash harleypig |
| 21:23.29 | ibot | ACTION beats harleypig with ksh |
| 21:23.35 | harleypig | http://bash.org/?728190 |
| 21:23.37 | brac | [QDB: Quote #728190] |
| 21:23.48 | harleypig | Why should the kid get detention for that? It was the truth! |
| 21:28.39 | sjansen | Truth is dangerous and must be suppressed. |
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| 21:36.46 | ^Migs^ | educators often try to suppress controversial history |
| 21:37.01 | ^Migs^ | better to pretend it didn't exist |
| 21:37.23 | Jayce^ | hey sjansen, am I going to be able to wrangle you into playing paintball again this year? |
| 21:38.05 | sjansen | maybe |
| 21:39.02 | Jayce^ | offloading some equipment, interested ? :) |
| 21:39.06 | Jayce^ | cheap |
| 21:39.17 | sjansen | Frankly, if I do play I'd want to get my own gear and enough practice to become more than a moving target. |
| 21:39.45 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: what type of equipment you selling? |
| 21:39.57 | Jayce^ | some of my older stuff mostly.. |
| 21:40.12 | Jayce^ | a quite new Ion, old piranha, maybe an a5 setup |
| 21:40.27 | sjansen | Jayce^: perhaps a quick Web page with a list of items, bonus points for photos. |
| 21:40.37 | Jayce^ | autococker trilogy pro |
| 21:40.43 | dataw0lf | I'd be interested in the Ion or A-5, if sjansen don't want em. I need to get my little brother a gun |
| 21:41.45 | sjansen | dataw0lf: It'd probably be best to let you have first dibs if you're sure you'll find a good home for the equipment. |
| 21:42.53 | harleypig | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070219/od_nm/death_television_dc;_ylt=AoJ2YEUO9Vi0m2pP9z0KV6XtiBIF |
| 21:43.01 | harleypig | Weird stuff going on in the world. |
| 21:44.24 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, if from me or others, get your ion quick, they are actually going UP in price next month |
| 21:44.36 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: no kidding? |
| 21:44.42 | dataw0lf | dang |
| 21:44.59 | Jayce^ | yeah, just got word from one of our sponsors |
| 21:45.07 | graphyx | I have one just one question about it, was the TV still on when they found him after one year? |
| 21:45.23 | Jayce^ | my a5 kits has some fun ups, trying to decide if I'll keep if after I get my Ego running.. |
| 21:45.37 | Supaplex | harleypig: old newz :) I posted the cnn link days ago |
| 21:46.04 | Supaplex | s/post/repost/ |
| 21:46.21 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: got a flatline on it? |
| 21:46.30 | Jayce^ | better, BT Apex |
| 21:46.33 | Jayce^ | you seen those? |
| 21:46.45 | Jayce^ | have a CP 12" also, good for general usage.. |
| 21:47.25 | Jayce^ | the apex has a variable backspin control, can give a lot more than the flatline, or less.. also allows directional control so I can curve around corners, or hit people behind a bunker.. |
| 21:47.34 | Jayce^ | takes some practice, but is very nice.. |
| 21:48.26 | Supaplex | I'm so glad I didn't waste money on that festering week old pile of CRAP called vista. |
| 21:49.39 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, http://www.btpaintball.com/f_b_apex.php |
| 21:50.51 | macnewbold | eww, gross |
| 21:50.59 | macnewbold | ~perv Supaplex |
| 21:51.22 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: huh, that's nice |
| 21:51.56 | Jayce^ | very nice |
| 21:51.56 | Supaplex | I don't own you! :P my g4 ibook you silly :-D |
| 21:52.23 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: heh, ya, I'm definitely interested in that A-5 if you want to sell it :) |
| 21:52.27 | harleypig | Supaplex: heh |
| 21:54.05 | findlay | ~gausses law |
| 21:56.19 | redbeard1 | ~gauche law |
| 21:56.27 | graphyx | -chat about paintball is |
| 21:56.48 | graphyx | wow |
| 21:56.55 | goozbach | graphyx: what did you do? |
| 21:57.00 | macnewbold | apparently brac doesn't like paintball |
| 21:57.53 | findlay | -chat about like paintball |
| 21:58.37 | graphyx | findlay: brac is gone. |
| 21:58.48 | dataw0lf | Vista isn't too bad. |
| 21:59.03 | graphyx | He couldn't chat about paintball and with embarrassment he left. |
| 21:59.12 | findlay | graphyx: nuh uh |
| 21:59.51 | atoponce | ScytheBlade1: 18 min |
| 22:00.02 | ScytheBlade1 | atoponce, quit torturing me |
| 22:00.07 | atoponce | ツ |
| 22:00.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Though, I will say: the poster about the "split it up" - that's awesome |
| 22:00.35 | findlay | graphyx isn't gone |
| 22:00.51 | atoponce | yeah. i have to say that that solution is superior to what i came up with |
| 22:01.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm going to be using that in a few places, no doubt.. |
| 22:05.04 | ^Migs^ | http://bashcurescancer.com/10-linux-commands-youve-never-used.html |
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| 22:08.47 | elg | -lart graphyx |
| 22:11.50 | elg | -chat about paintball is |
| 22:11.50 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 22:13.19 | elg | ahh. nothing like some collective soul to relax |
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| 22:18.15 | levi | Hi, brailsmt. |
| 22:18.38 | findlay | -chat about like paintball |
| 22:18.38 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 22:20.14 | levi | http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~raza/care-o-meter.jpg |
| 22:20.35 | elg | heh. http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/2006/1000448/index.html |
| 22:20.39 | brac | [Livestock a major threat to environment] |
| 22:21.30 | elg | now you can be an environment killer not only by driving your car but by eating meat |
| 22:21.59 | levi | elg: Except that eating meat supports the evil livestock industry. ;) |
| 22:22.39 | macnewbold | I thought methane from cows was killing the environment? Isn't that why we slaughter so many of them each year? |
| 22:22.44 | macnewbold | ~seen fungus |
| 22:23.12 | ibot | fungus <n=fungus@2001:470:1f00:645:250:8dff:fe71:9a6b> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 5d 4h 22m 25s ago, saying: 'hurray for peanut butter!!!'. |
| 22:23.12 | macnewbold | where's a vegetarian when you need one... |
| 22:23.59 | sjansen | So, hang on, does that mean that by killing all the bison we were doing the environment a favor? |
| 22:24.10 | elg | sjansen: exactly! |
| 22:24.25 | findlay | -chat about peanut butter |
| 22:24.25 | brac | peanut butter needs to turn your chair in the shins |
| 22:24.46 | elg | sjansen: first, cars. then livestock. finally, the humans! |
| 22:25.03 | elg | only then will the earth be safe |
| 22:25.25 | dataw0lf | I think they're talking about land degradation, etc |
| 22:25.41 | dataw0lf | I say let's create soylent green so I can eat people |
| 22:25.53 | dataw0lf | they're far more annoying than cows |
| 22:26.27 | findlay | ~eat dataw0lf |
| 22:26.32 | ibot | ACTION eats dataw0lf and falls over dead |
| 22:27.11 | dataw0lf | instead of herding cows in a field, I can herd republicans at a tractor pull show or something |
| 22:30.27 | elg | this is funny |
| 22:30.27 | elg | http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2007/02/itunes-fingers-musical-fraud.html |
| 22:30.30 | brac | [New Scientist Technology Blog: iTunes fingers musical fraud] |
| 22:31.01 | elg | the hoax is funny. giving credit to CDDB and iTunes is pitiful |
| 22:31.10 | elg | that's like saying your shoe stepped in a pile of mud |
| 22:31.34 | elg | if musicbrainz had said they were the same or something, that might be something |
| 22:32.32 | sjansen | http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/2075 |
| 22:34.57 | levi | sjansen: What do you think of it? |
| 22:36.47 | levi | There seem to be a disproportionate number of people named Guillaume doing cool things with Scheme. |
| 22:38.02 | findlay | now I'm cool! |
| 22:38.16 | levi | findlay: Not unless you also do something cool with Scheme. |
| 22:38.27 | findlay | hm |
| 22:38.43 | dataw0lf | wanna go summit McKinley, findlay?? |
| 22:39.25 | findlay | sure |
| 22:39.44 | findlay | ~hug rsync |
| 22:39.50 | ibot | ACTION jumps into rsync's lap and huggles and *hugs* rsync |
| 22:39.54 | dataw0lf | http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780321444424&itm=1 |
| 22:39.56 | brac | [Barnes & Noble.com - Books: The Art of Software Security Assessment, by Mark Dowd, Paperback] |
| 22:40.06 | dataw0lf | quite possibly the greatest book on application security ever. |
| 22:40.15 | sjansen | levi: I've only read the summary, but the idea is so obvious and correct in retro-spect. |
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| 22:42.13 | levi | sjansen: The related work section of the paper has some other stuff you might find interesting. |
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| 22:52.00 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 22:52.32 | findlay | -chat about AOL for |
| 22:52.32 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 22:54.47 | maquis | -chat about paintball is |
| 22:54.47 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 22:55.51 | tene | -chat about chat about |
| 22:55.52 | brac | chat about something messed up all night doing work" morning |
| 22:56.25 | goozbach | -chat about paintball is |
| 22:56.25 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 22:56.40 | Lone_Wanderer | -chat about Zaphod Beeblebrox |
| 22:56.40 | brac | Zaphod Beeblebrox for president... he'll build bridges between the players. |
| 22:56.55 | elg | gotta have them bridges |
| 22:57.04 | elg | -chat about gotta love |
| 22:57.04 | brac | gotta love Utah Power. |
| 22:57.17 | goozbach | -chat about pineapple goozbach |
| 22:57.17 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 22:57.23 | goozbach | -chat about pineapple is |
| 22:57.24 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 22:57.33 | Lone_Wanderer | How does he get these things? Do people tell him? |
| 22:57.41 | elg | he listens |
| 22:57.56 | elg | -chat about how does |
| 22:57.56 | dataw0lf | and leaaaaaaaaarns! |
| 22:57.56 | brac | how does IRSSI prevent u from getting married. :P |
| 22:58.00 | dataw0lf | kill the robots! |
| 22:58.04 | elg | lol |
| 22:58.09 | macnewbold | -chat about dataw0lf smells |
| 22:58.10 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 22:58.12 | elg | he's smarter than we know |
| 22:58.17 | macnewbold | -chat about elg brac |
| 22:58.17 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 22:58.22 | dataw0lf | -chat about dataw0lf macnewbold |
| 22:58.22 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 22:58.26 | dataw0lf | whew |
| 22:58.28 | atoponce | ScytheBlade1: well? |
| 22:58.29 | macnewbold | -chat about can't riff |
| 22:58.29 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 22:58.39 | goozbach | -chat about dataw0lf is |
| 22:58.41 | brac | dataw0lf is pulling his proverbian chain |
| 22:58.46 | goozbach | heh |
| 22:58.51 | macnewbold | so how can we get a list of the pairs he can riff on? |
| 22:58.52 | ScytheBlade1 | atoponce, I actually thought of that last night before I went to bed, SSHFS. Kinda thought "duh" to myself |
| 22:58.54 | macnewbold | -chat about brac is |
| 22:58.58 | brac | brac is smarter than that. |
| 22:59.02 | macnewbold | -chat about macnewbold is |
| 22:59.02 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 22:59.08 | macnewbold | -chat about elg is |
| 22:59.08 | brac | elg is seeking revenge on emcnabb and goozbach |
| 22:59.12 | dataw0lf | -chat about brac is |
| 22:59.14 | brac | brac is the route of least pain. |
| 22:59.19 | ScytheBlade1 | atoponce, however, that doesn't account for the needs when one is offline (laptop), which is my primary concern over private key safety |
| 23:00.00 | goozbach | encrypted fingerprint-reader enabled thumbdrive |
| 23:00.02 | atoponce | oh, you mean if the laptop is offline? yeah. that poses a problem |
| 23:00.19 | macnewbold | so what's the problem again? I can't find it in my backscroll |
| 23:00.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Any other box I have has the entire filesystem under crypto as-is, so yeah, an offline laptop is my only problem with that solution |
| 23:00.27 | dataw0lf | I'm curious too |
| 23:00.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Keeping ones GPG private key safe on multiple computers |
| 23:00.40 | macnewbold | goozbach: did you see the claims that those can be fooled 80% of the time? |
| 23:00.48 | atoponce | if offline, then i'm carrying it somewhere, so i'll have it with me if i need it |
| 23:00.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Also see http://pthree.org/ for more information ;) |
| 23:01.17 | macnewbold | ScytheBlade1: simplest solution sounds like keep a copy on all the computers and keep it safe on all of them |
| 23:01.19 | ScytheBlade1 | atoponce, though, that splitting it up and recombining it is amazing... I WILL be using that method now. |
| 23:01.22 | macnewbold | if copying it is a problem, |
| 23:01.24 | dataw0lf | that's why you have a USB key. |
| 23:01.29 | atoponce | ScytheBlade1: definetly |
| 23:01.31 | ScytheBlade1 | And if the USB key is lost or stolen? |
| 23:01.38 | goozbach | macnewbold: it was kind of Tounge in cheek |
| 23:01.41 | macnewbold | just put a copy on anything that may be offline, and have the rest use sshfs |
| 23:01.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Oops, time to revoke your key.. |
| 23:01.53 | macnewbold | ScytheBlade1: do gpg keys allow passphrases? |
| 23:01.59 | dataw0lf | encrypt it and have unencryption tools on the clients |
| 23:02.02 | Lone_Wanderer | -chat about Lone_Wanderer is |
| 23:02.02 | brac | Lone_Wanderer is actually a bit this evening and goodnight! |
| 23:02.05 | ScytheBlade1 | macnewbold, they do, yes |
| 23:02.06 | atoponce | macnewbold: yes |
| 23:02.11 | ScytheBlade1 | dataw0lf, that's solving the problem with more of the problem |
| 23:02.26 | macnewbold | then pick a good passphrase, and stop worrying so much about security of the encrypted key - that's why you encrypted it, afterall |
| 23:02.27 | Lone_Wanderer | DW just advocated using perl? |
| 23:02.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Which, admittedly, I do as-is, but eh |
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| 23:02.56 | dataw0lf | ScytheBlade1: I don't see how. |
| 23:02.57 | atoponce | macnewbold: sure. but i don't want to lose it, and gen a revo cert |
| 23:03.06 | macnewbold | then make lots and lots of copies |
| 23:03.12 | dataw0lf | I keep a master copy of my key backed up |
| 23:03.16 | dataw0lf | and then have it on a usb key |
| 23:03.16 | macnewbold | if you lose a copy, but have 20 others, no problem :) |
| 23:03.18 | dataw0lf | I don't encrypt it |
| 23:03.21 | atoponce | then you run the rist of exposure, and compromise |
| 23:03.25 | brac | if you run out of Utopia |
| 23:03.26 | ScytheBlade1 | atoponce, macnewbold's idea is to not worry about losing your private key, because it has a passphrase |
| 23:03.28 | atoponce | s/st/sk/ |
| 23:03.29 | beandog | dataw0lf: thats what I should do. I dont have any copies right now |
| 23:03.31 | dataw0lf | because if I lose / get my usb key stolen, I'm an idiot anyways. |
| 23:03.43 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: was your usb key in your laptop bag? ;) |
| 23:03.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Laptop? |
| 23:03.53 | dataw0lf | my laptop isn't attached to my key chain. |
| 23:03.57 | Lone_Wanderer | ahhh |
| 23:04.10 | Lone_Wanderer | clearly, attaching your next one will be a step in the right direction. |
| 23:04.13 | macnewbold | neither is your wallet apparently, since they got the credit cards with the laptops |
| 23:04.15 | atoponce | anyway, i think the sshfs is fairly good. splitting the key, and recreating it is superior though |
| 23:04.23 | ScytheBlade1 | However, in the comments atoponce got here, was an actual solution that solves both the online, offline, AND thieft problems. |
| 23:04.28 | ScytheBlade1 | See http://www.digital-scurf.org/software/libgfshare for more information. |
| 23:04.38 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: no, the terrible irony of that was that I took my credit cards out of my wallet and put them in my laptop case to be safer |
| 23:04.40 | Lone_Wanderer | -chat about stolen laptops |
| 23:04.42 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 23:05.25 | ScytheBlade1 | The more I think of that key splitting, the more I wonder why people don't use it more often |
| 23:05.45 | atoponce | it just seems the best option. raid for gpg. :) |
| 23:05.52 | dataw0lf | I think you're being too paranoid |
| 23:05.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha, it's true |
| 23:05.58 | ScytheBlade1 | dataw0lf, that's half the fun. |
| 23:06.00 | dataw0lf | unless you frequent hacker conventions like me. |
| 23:06.08 | ScytheBlade1 | dataw0lf, I also IPSEC SSL connections, what of it? :) |
| 23:06.17 | dataw0lf | then you'll meet thieves who actually know how to use PGP keys |
| 23:06.22 | dataw0lf | otherwise, doubtful |
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| 23:07.27 | beandog | I dont really see the problem with losing a gpg key ... they still need your passphrase anyway |
| 23:07.43 | beandog | right? |
| 23:07.49 | ScytheBlade1 | dataw0lf, I have my (desktop) hard drives encrypted on the device (not filesystem) level, I run IPSEC between my desktop and laptop, and then I also IPSEC connections that also win SSL. Part of it is because I can, part of it is just good pratice |
| 23:07.58 | atoponce | beandog: true. you just have to issue a revo cert, regen a new keypair, and send out the public key all over again |
| 23:08.26 | dataw0lf | ScytheBlade1: I do a lot of security consulting, and, well, you have to weigh usability versus security |
| 23:08.40 | ScytheBlade1 | dataw0lf, it's all 100% transparent to me. |
| 23:08.52 | ScytheBlade1 | There's zero usability loss with what I have setup |
| 23:09.02 | dataw0lf | I keep some stuff encrypted on a device level. But it's stuff that warrants it. |
| 23:09.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Like SSH keys, for example? |
| 23:09.29 | dataw0lf | no, like extremely sensitive information. |
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| 23:09.45 | dataw0lf | I encrypt ssh keys at a fs level |
| 23:10.12 | ScytheBlade1 | With a encrypting filesystem or decrypted with other utilities? |
| 23:10.29 | dataw0lf | an encrypting filesystem |
| 23:10.50 | elg | beandog: yes. but the passphrase is usually relatively weak |
| 23:10.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah. "fs level" was slightly ambigious there |
| 23:10.57 | beandog | ah |
| 23:11.04 | beandog | I hope. |
| 23:11.16 | dataw0lf | you should concentrate on information security |
| 23:11.20 | elg | if nobody hates you enough to try to brute force your passphrase, you're ok |
| 23:11.35 | beandog | nobody hates me at all. |
| 23:11.36 | dataw0lf | like not divulging the security internals of your network on a public IRC server |
| 23:11.47 | dataw0lf | just sayin' |
| 23:11.49 | ScytheBlade1 | dataw0lf, and in the case of a laptop without the processor to do filesystem-level encryption? |
| 23:12.09 | Supaplex | _722NCuBOI!t0l6*DxU32F6A@zp8rd8Hf/600.1 |
| 23:12.11 | dataw0lf | ScytheBlade1: I haven't encountered that problem. |
| 23:12.12 | beandog | arent there some motherboards that have onboard encryption stuff? |
| 23:12.22 | Supaplex | bah, time to memorize a new password. |
| 23:12.24 | beandog | I vaguely recall something about a via board having some hardware crypto device. |
| 23:12.25 | elg | the more I know about security, the less I care |
| 23:12.28 | ScytheBlade1 | dataw0lf, well, I have it now :). 600MHz laptop with 256MB of RAM. |
| 23:12.35 | dataw0lf | that's a shame. |
| 23:13.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, it also weighs (at most) two pounds, shares dimensions with a piece of paper, and gives me 2.5h battery life |
| 23:13.22 | ScytheBlade1 | So.. hard to complain. |
| 23:13.23 | elg | because the more I know about security the more I realize it's like putting your finger in the dam but the dam is empty |
| 23:13.34 | elg | not that security doesn't have its plac |
| 23:13.34 | elg | e |
| 23:14.02 | dataw0lf | I just like breaking things |
| 23:14.04 | elg | just that if it came down to it almost all of us who think we're security-aware would be compromised in short order |
| 23:14.07 | elg | real security is hard |
| 23:14.15 | elg | and it's only worth it if the information is real secret/important |
| 23:14.16 | brac | beandog subscribes to the world in that |
| 23:14.28 | dataw0lf | elg: real world security is easy. |
| 23:14.41 | elg | beandog: yup. unless it's like government secrets that must be kept secret at all cost. and it takes all cost |
| 23:14.43 | dataw0lf | if you have any sort of reasonable security, you're safe from 99% of attacks |
| 23:14.52 | elg | dataw0lf: yes. I take basic security measures |
| 23:14.55 | dataw0lf | and that 1% actual directed attack is going to most likely take a social engineering route |
| 23:15.03 | ScytheBlade1 | dataw0lf, all of the above aside, read http://www.digital-scurf.org/software/libgfshare |
| 23:15.08 | ScytheBlade1 | dataw0lf, it's quite ingenious |
| 23:15.10 | dataw0lf | not any sort of network / host attack |
| 23:15.19 | elg | and I don't delude myself into thinking they're going to be good for anything if some CIA/FBI/KGB/blackhat type comes after me |
| 23:15.32 | dataw0lf | unless they're just interested in DOSing you, and then you're screwed anyways. |
| 23:15.41 | elg | dataw0lf: precisely the impetus behind my original statement |
| 23:15.47 | dataw0lf | ya |
| 23:15.55 | dataw0lf | over securing a machine is ridiculous. |
| 23:16.13 | Supaplex | my windows box is possibly the most secure yet. the hdd is detached and locked in a safe. |
| 23:16.25 | Supaplex | </asif> |
| 23:16.35 | dataw0lf | Vista has made some large strides, in security, at least |
| 23:16.39 | dataw0lf | I was surprised to hear |
| 23:16.47 | elg | well it's about time |
| 23:16.57 | elg | too little too late for some of us |
| 23:17.22 | dataw0lf | I spent the weekend with Dan Kaminsky who Microsoft pulled in late in the game to do sec consulting |
| 23:17.36 | dataw0lf | he has a shirt that says "I delayed Vista" |
| 23:17.42 | elg | ha |
| 23:17.44 | Supaplex | :) |
| 23:17.48 | elg | that would be awesome |
| 23:17.50 | ScytheBlade1 | That's awesome |
| 23:17.51 | Supaplex | well hats off to him. |
| 23:18.03 | Supaplex | did he delay debian to? ;) |
| 23:18.20 | Supaplex | jk! |
| 23:18.48 | elg | no, they're blaming people who tried to help debian along by paying developers |
| 23:18.53 | macnewbold | despite any large security strides vista may have made, I highly doubt that given how far behind the rest they were, they actually caught up or anything |
| 23:19.23 | dataw0lf | I dunno, I was pretty impressed over beers by what Dan was telling me |
| 23:19.48 | dataw0lf | seems to have caught up in many areas, exceeded in others |
| 23:20.20 | dataw0lf | so I'm going to install Vista. Seeing is believing. |
| 23:20.35 | Supaplex | good luck with drivers :-D |
| 23:21.08 | dataw0lf | if you don't know who Kaminsky is, he's the resident packet wizard of the world |
| 23:21.11 | dataw0lf | http://www.doxpara.com/ |
| 23:21.18 | Supaplex | I wonder how long it'll take before anyone can slip in their own certificate to allow their own signed driver to load |
| 23:21.33 | dataw0lf | so I tend to believe him when he tells me that they completely rewrote the IP stack and strengthened it in numerous ways |
| 23:22.04 | ScytheBlade1 | That they did. Not to mention hardware-based private keys that allows for full-disk encryption on the block level |
| 23:22.20 | ScytheBlade1 | And the IPSEC enhancments |
| 23:22.39 | dataw0lf | ScytheBlade1: yea, Dan spearheaded the IPSEC stuff, I believe. |
| 23:22.49 | ScytheBlade1 | dataw0lf, whoo hoo :) |
| 23:23.41 | dataw0lf | ya, Dan has a way of completely revolutionizing my steadfast opinion of stuff. |
| 23:24.03 | dataw0lf | now if they could just fix patch management... |
| 23:24.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I will say this: IPSEC in a windows domain is many, MANY times more easy to deploy en masse than anything linux that I've seen |
| 23:24.35 | dataw0lf | ScytheBlade1: no doubt. |
| 23:25.00 | ScytheBlade1 | dataw0lf, you push about eight buttons, start up the CA server, and the settings just replicate |
| 23:25.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Computers get their own private cert, servers get them, it's used for client <--> client comm, client <--> server comm.. |
| 23:25.33 | dataw0lf | ScytheBlade1: Yea, I know. I've done it on a couple networks. Too many times with KAME on Linux |
| 23:25.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Hehe, exactly the same here |
| 23:27.09 | ScytheBlade1 | The Vista improvements make me happy all around |
| 23:28.02 | dataw0lf | ScytheBlade1: I'm intrigued, that's for sure. |
| 23:28.33 | dataw0lf | I needed a .NET dev box anyways, so installing Vista makes sense |
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| 23:54.56 | sjansen | Oh, man, I just learned what QXGA means: 2048x1536 |
| 23:56.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Q = 2048, G = 1000, A = 536? |
| 23:57.40 | sjansen | I can find evidence that Lenovo sells a laptop with QXGA, but I can't find it on their site. |
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| 23:59.58 | Lone_Wanderer | find evidence? |
