| 00:00.08 | vontrapp | i want terminus |
| 00:00.14 | tensai | vontrapp: it's not possible. give up. |
| 00:00.32 | beandog | er, optimus |
| 00:00.36 | findlay | vontrapp: you need to modify the registry with ed |
| 00:00.42 | vontrapp | "The TERMINUS.TTF file is currently being used and cannot be replaced. Wait until windows is finished using the file, and then try again." |
| 00:00.59 | vontrapp | beandog wants opiums |
| 00:01.40 | tensai | vontrapp: can you copy it there with a different name? |
| 00:01.48 | findlay | ~lart stupid 'ringtones' |
| 00:02.10 | findlay | ringtones are the bane of modern civilization |
| 00:02.13 | vontrapp | tensai: same error |
| 00:02.19 | vontrapp | ~ring findlay |
| 00:02.24 | ibot | before findlay dies, they see the ring |
| 00:02.25 | findlay | gah |
| 00:02.29 | vontrapp | findlay: what if it's a doctor who ringtone? |
| 00:02.58 | findlay | vontrapp: segmentation fault |
| 00:03.32 | vontrapp | near as i can tell, what that error is really telling me is "i can't write the file, it must be already there and in use" |
| 00:03.45 | vontrapp | which actually means i don't have permission to write to the destination |
| 00:06.46 | tensai | vontrapp: sorry, I'm not finding anything from google |
| 00:07.01 | tensai | vontrapp: you might pose the question to utwaa |
| 00:07.02 | vontrapp | yeah, i didn't either |
| 00:07.23 | vontrapp | utah windows assinines anonymous? |
| 00:07.33 | tensai | http://utwaa.org/mailman/listinfo/waa |
| 00:07.37 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 00:07.43 | macnewbold | windows admins anonymous |
| 00:07.44 | findlay | waa! |
| 00:07.48 | beandog | heh |
| 00:07.55 | tensai | vontrapp: close. s/inines// |
| 00:08.02 | beandog | the group that hides from everyone. |
| 00:08.08 | tensai | maybe just s/inin// |
| 00:08.46 | vontrapp | :) |
| 00:12.20 | vontrapp | maybe it's windows accursed anon |
| 00:13.37 | findlay | that's it |
| 00:14.51 | vontrapp | new problem, how do i make backspace delete newlines in vim in windows? |
| 00:15.08 | vontrapp | this one someone probably knows offhand |
| 00:20.58 | vontrapp | what the? it's running in vi compatability mode, no wonder |
| 00:21.10 | Lone_Wanderer | ...it is vim |
| 00:21.44 | vontrapp | that's just it, it's vim, not vi |
| 00:21.54 | vontrapp | vi really sucks, in truth |
| 00:21.55 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhhhh |
| 00:21.57 | Lone_Wanderer | right right |
| 00:22.16 | Lone_Wanderer | as opposed to vi vs. vim |
| 00:23.36 | vontrapp | it is sooo cold in here, i wish i had a hat |
| 00:26.52 | Lone_Wanderer | ~hat vontrapp |
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| 00:40.20 | elg | -chat |
| 00:40.20 | brac | Digital photography questions. |
| 00:42.52 | vontrapp | -chat i wish |
| 00:42.52 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 00:42.57 | vontrapp | -chat about i wish |
| 00:42.58 | brac | i wish they'd take it you wanted to be used with any particular assumptions about the contest was great. Josh and friends did a |
| 00:43.17 | vontrapp | -chat about did a |
| 00:43.17 | brac | did a top and saw it) at |
| 00:43.23 | vontrapp | oh, that's what they did |
| 00:48.10 | Lone_Wanderer | levi: I see your response and I stand corrected. |
| 00:49.18 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Lisp was not even initially meant to be run on computers. |
| 00:49.33 | Lone_Wanderer | heh I remember that |
| 00:49.42 | Lone_Wanderer | By the way. |
| 00:49.43 | Lone_Wanderer | http://gracewanderer.livejournal.com/103437.html |
| 00:49.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Read my LJ. Share in my anger. |
| 00:52.21 | levi | Yow. |
| 00:52.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Indeed. |
| 00:53.18 | Lone_Wanderer | It doesn't help that I'm her Nice Guy friend who wants to date her. |
| 00:55.26 | levi | Heh. |
| 00:55.46 | levi | Date other people and tell her all about it. That worked for me. :) |
| 00:55.51 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 00:56.02 | Lone_Wanderer | I am dating other people and telling her about it. It has no effect. |
| 00:56.04 | Lone_Wanderer | At least it hasn't yet. |
| 00:56.38 | levi | Oh well. |
| 00:57.01 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: craziness. |
| 00:57.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Indeed. |
| 00:57.49 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I'm going to have to leave this installation going over the weekend. |
| 01:00.21 | beandog | what are you installing? |
| 01:00.43 | Lone_Wanderer | dia |
| 01:00.55 | Lone_Wanderer | but I'm using darwin ports |
| 01:01.33 | Lone_Wanderer | And for some reason it's taking forever. Oh well. |
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| 01:12.47 | elg | -chat about geek vs |
| 01:12.47 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 01:12.50 | elg | -chat about geek vs. |
| 01:12.50 | brac | geek vs. nerd, however, is foreign to the list), I'd had thought about leaving back then, it took me by the end is an excellent telescope, |
| 01:12.57 | levi | Time to go home. |
| 01:13.58 | graphyx | -chat about ninjas vs. |
| 01:13.58 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 01:16.58 | elg | I like phil's eclipse haiku |
| 01:18.03 | vontrapp | wow, i didn't know you could select block text in a terminal |
| 01:25.35 | thesuperbigfrog | You've been there long enough. It's time for "The Weekend" (cue funky disco music) |
| 01:35.38 | thesuperbigfrog | ~lart vontrapp |
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| 04:56.31 | herlo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEGsUmNy3VA |
| 04:56.36 | findlay | metube? |
| 04:56.39 | findlay | -chat about lart ibot |
| 04:56.39 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 04:56.39 | findlay | -say ~lart ibot |
| 04:56.39 | brac | insufficient "say" auth (have 10, need 70) |
| 04:56.39 | findlay | sure |
| 04:56.40 | findlay | ~say -lart brac |
| 04:57.13 | ibot | -lart brac |
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| 15:03.16 | elg | -chat |
| 15:03.16 | brac | that doesn't have the wit to reach |
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| 17:22.29 | tensai | -lart elg |
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| 17:22.41 | tensai | -lart jsmith |
| 17:22.42 | jsmith | tensai: Yes?!? |
| 17:22.43 | jsmith | What'd I do this time? |
| 17:22.43 | tensai | right place, right time |
| 17:56.27 | brac | right place, right time and the beast. Save from |
| 17:56.27 | jsmith | -chat about the beast |
| 17:56.27 | brac | the beast presented, nor could I do not remove, alter or modify VNC? That should be |
| 17:56.27 | jsmith | tensai: See, the line breaks messed it all up |
| 17:56.27 | jsmith | It needs to be fed sentences, not lines |
| 17:56.28 | jsmith | It would also be nice if it would include the words that came *before* the two words in the Markov chain |
| 17:56.28 | jsmith | That'd make it sound more realistic |
| 17:56.28 | tensai | sentences would be better. it won't be easy to convert the plug archives though. |
| 17:56.28 | jsmith | But what do I know? |
| 18:05.29 | jsmith | Nope. |
| 18:05.30 | tensai | I read the wikipedia entry on markov chains and it didn't help |
| 18:05.30 | tensai | still no idea what it is |
| 18:05.31 | jsmith | C'mon... if my word processor can tell the parts of sentence, then why can't brac? |
| 18:05.31 | tensai | ~logs |
| 18:06.13 | ibot | hmm... logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 18:06.13 | elg | he's only programmed with markov chain capability |
| 18:06.13 | elg | not sentence structure awareness :) |
| 18:06.13 | jsmith | It's only software... |
| 18:06.13 | tensai | ~rlart |
| 18:06.46 | elg | markov chains are fairly straightforward |
| 18:06.46 | tensai | ~wake ibot |
| 18:07.18 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on ibot and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 18:07.18 | elg | an order-2 markov chain on words will keep track of the stats that a word follows a word pair |
| 18:07.18 | jsmith | ibot: Wake up! |
| 18:07.50 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on up! and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 18:07.50 | elg | and then pick one probabalistically |
| 18:07.50 | elg | higher order, like 4 words, would be more accurate, but takes more space |
| 18:07.50 | elg | since there's more tuples of length 4 than tuples of length 2 |
| 18:07.50 | elg | for the same corpus of training |
| 18:07.50 | brac | for the dead: so called from the hill, and there are add-ons to |
| 18:07.50 | elg | inherent in that is the probability that nothing follows, which is why line breaks mess it up |
| 18:07.50 | elg | although that's just a training issue |
| 18:07.50 | jsmith | So it's basically using Bayes Law to compute the probabilities? |
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| 18:07.50 | elg | something like that |
| 18:07.51 | jsmith | Makes sense... |
| 18:07.51 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
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| 18:07.51 | elg | could you amend markov chains with punctuation knowledge and parts of speech info, etc.? |
| 18:07.51 | elg | sure, but then you lose all the fun. the fun is to see how such a simple rule can make such coherent(?) output |
| 18:07.51 | elg | if you try a holistic approach, you just get frustrated that he's so lame |
| 18:07.51 | elg | just like valentines day. gotta set the bar low |
| 18:07.51 | elg | tensai: here's a more succinct def. http://www.nist.gov/dads/HTML/markovchain.html |
| 18:07.51 | brac | [Markov chain] |
| 18:07.52 | jsmith | tensai: Read this too... it's a lot of good background information http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~murphyk/Bayes/bayes.html |
| 18:07.52 | brac | [Graphical Models] |
| 18:07.53 | jsmith | elg: You could probably use stemming (such as the Porter stemming described here: http://telemat.det.unifi.it/book/2001/wchange/download/stem_porter.html) to reduce the size of your database |
| 18:07.53 | atoponce | ok. i turn to the genius' residing in this channel for some imap mail help |
| 18:07.54 | atoponce | i have an @ubuntu.com email address where all mail is forwarded to my gmail.com account |
| 18:07.54 | atoponce | all gmail.com mail is forwarded to my personal imap server |
| 18:07.54 | atoponce | in order to send as @ubuntu.com, do i need to setup a new alias on my imap server? |
| 18:07.55 | tensai | atoponce: no. you just need to set up your smtp client to send as foo@ubuntu.com |
| 18:08.32 | atoponce | can i do this with thunderbird? |
| 18:09.04 | atoponce | how can i send outgoing mail with @ubuntu.com using my existing setup? |
| 18:09.05 | atoponce | i can't see how to set it up without creating a new account for both incoming and outgoing? |
| 18:09.05 | atoponce | i can setup filters to manage the incoming. that's no problem. i just don't know how to manage the outgoing |
| 18:09.05 | tensai | evolution can set up an account without an imap server, thus basically an outgoing only account |
| 18:09.05 | atoponce | is this possible with thunderbird? |
| 18:44.19 | tensai | I don't know thunderbird well enough to say, but I expect so |
| 18:44.27 | atoponce | got it |
| 18:44.27 | elg | ~logs |
| 18:45.00 | ibot | i heard logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 18:45.00 | atoponce | thunderbird makes you create an incoming account |
| 18:45.00 | atoponce | i just gave it same random server that prolly doesn't exist, but don't use it for my inbox |
| 18:45.00 | elg | no |
| 18:45.01 | elg | yes |
| 18:45.01 | tensai | atoponce: can you set it up as a local mbox account? |
| 18:45.01 | atoponce | followed this tut: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/email/thunderbird/account-sendonly.html |
| 18:45.02 | brac | [Thunderbird: Create Account for Sending Only] |
| 18:45.08 | tensai | ~rlart |
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| 22:06.57 | goozbach | osX users whats a good native IRC client? |
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| 22:47.48 | atoponce | goozbach: colloquy |
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| 23:38.16 | findlay | get me out of this crazy place |
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| 23:59.34 | vontrapp | is there anything like graphviz but for ascii graphs? |