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| 00:15.37 | tensai | -chat about beefy data |
| 00:15.37 | brac | beefy data center and still having issues? :( |
| 00:16.28 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 00:16.37 | dataw0lf | -chat about data wolf |
| 00:16.37 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 00:16.47 | dataw0lf | -chat about dog cat |
| 00:16.48 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 00:16.58 | dataw0lf | -chat about wolfy data |
| 00:16.58 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 00:17.02 | dataw0lf | hmph |
| 00:17.24 | tensai | -chat about dog cat |
| 00:17.25 | brac | dog cat mouse cheese |
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| 00:51.43 | thesuperbigfrog | -chat about brac ibot |
| 00:51.43 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 00:52.04 | thesuperbigfrog | -char about monkey cheese |
| 00:52.16 | thesuperbigfrog | -char about monkey cheese |
| 00:52.23 | thesuperbigfrog | arrg |
| 00:52.32 | thesuperbigfrog | -chat about monkey cheese |
| 00:52.32 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 00:56.28 | thesuperbigfrog | -chat about crashes often |
| 00:56.29 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 00:56.44 | thesuperbigfrog | -chat about php code |
| 00:56.44 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
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| 01:01.08 | goozbach | i only make snow women |
| 01:01.49 | goozbach | mostly cause the real ones wont talk to me. |
| 01:02.01 | goozbach | i wonder why... |
| 01:09.46 | tene | -chat about php is |
| 01:09.47 | brac | php is the guy is turning my dynamic site into a couple of |
| 01:11.24 | Supaplex | -chat about a copule of |
| 01:11.24 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 01:11.34 | Supaplex | -chat about a copule of is |
| 01:11.34 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
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| 01:18.04 | elg | -chat |
| 01:18.05 | brac | sombre in the Times, the worldwide sales of the butler turned a pair of words" |
| 01:18.50 | beandog | whats up elg |
| 01:23.44 | elg | i'm tired, a prof got on my case for not managing to buy and eat my lunch in the 10 minutes between my office hours and lab (there were 3 students, without questions, and another TA in the room), and now my scanner hates me |
| 01:23.58 | elg | and I can't find the first page to this piece of music |
| 01:24.24 | beandog | hmm |
| 01:24.27 | beandog | pooopy. |
| 01:33.57 | nick125_lappy | UH OH! |
| 01:34.46 | beandog | hmm, better use oggs instead. |
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| 01:44.27 | beandog | hmm, cut off the album. |
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| 02:13.47 | SpecialZ | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070215-8854.html |
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| 02:39.11 | elg | -chat |
| 02:39.11 | brac | since I left off any one know how it gets all the foods that are as |
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| 02:39.45 | elg | -chat |
| 02:39.45 | brac | crop up and use, and |
| 02:39.54 | elg | -chat |
| 02:39.54 | brac | where my companions were waiting to tell it to you for damages, costs and expenses, including |
| 02:40.15 | SpecialZ | -chat |
| 02:40.15 | brac | i do now? |
| 02:40.28 | SpecialZ | brac: apparently you do |
| 02:48.04 | levi_home | Good evening. |
| 02:51.13 | findlay | good evening levi_home |
| 02:59.18 | findlay | heh |
| 02:59.39 | findlay | no more trendy ipv6 |
| 03:00.25 | tene | -chat no more |
| 03:00.25 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 03:00.31 | tene | o.O |
| 03:02.03 | goozbach | -chat about no more |
| 03:02.03 | brac | no more of the moor. He |
| 03:02.12 | tene | orite |
| 03:03.41 | findlay | -chat about tene goozbach |
| 03:03.41 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 03:03.50 | tene | -chat about word pair |
| 03:03.50 | brac | word pair he's seen in England--slim, elegant, and tall. |
| 03:03.52 | findlay | sure |
| 03:06.04 | goozbach | ODE TO MY MOUSTACHE |
| 03:06.18 | elg | -lart moustachebach |
| 03:07.38 | goozbach | installing LFS is a LONG process |
| 03:12.13 | findlay | heh |
| 03:12.35 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.41 | elg | -chat |
| 03:12.41 | brac | over the wide expanse there was no sign within it of unknown make. I have about jpackage. They seem to be rack mountable. |
| 03:12.54 | findlay | -chat about installing LFS |
| 03:12.54 | brac | installing LFS is a cool language. |
| 03:13.11 | elg | -chat about is a |
| 03:13.11 | brac | but chat about is elementary |
| 03:13.11 | brac | is a page that gives minimum resolutions |
| 03:21.38 | thesuperbigfrog | ~whaleslap brac |
| 03:21.39 | ibot | ACTION beats brac upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 03:31.15 | levi_home | goozbach: LFS = Linux From Scratch? |
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| 03:41.31 | findlay | hello tensai |
| 03:50.26 | findlay | levi_home: you make a very convincing argument |
| 03:50.34 | findlay | I'm afraid mine was not |
| 03:52.54 | levi_home | findlay: Well, I'm glad you think so. |
| 03:54.23 | levi_home | I need to stop writing emails and write an assembler. |
| 04:04.59 | tensai | ~flush findlay |
| 04:05.01 | ibot | ACTION flushes findlay like findlay was yesterday's lunch |
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| 04:32.47 | levi_home | Ahh, I just remembered where I know Michael Brailsford from. |
| 04:33.00 | levi_home | We went mountain biking together a couple of times a few years ago. |
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| 05:27.52 | elg | -chat |
| 05:27.52 | brac | Regent Street, |
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| 07:40.04 | nick125_lappy | I really want to get one of those nice polycom speakerphones |
| 07:40.13 | nick125_lappy | like one of those conference phones |
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| 13:53.19 | goozbach | levi_home: yup |
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| 14:15.18 | goozbach | and it JUST KEEPS GOING! |
| 14:22.08 | goozbach | anyone seen an HTTP request filled with \x90 |
| 14:22.13 | goozbach | ? |
| 14:22.23 | goozbach | looks to be a buffer overflow attempt |
| 14:30.35 | graphyx | That is a signature of a buf overflow attack |
| 14:30.41 | goozbach | finally, an end to the plug flamefest: http://xkcd.com/c224.html |
| 14:30.41 | brac | [xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe] |
| 14:30.57 | graphyx | What else was on it? |
| 14:30.59 | goozbach | god used perl to make the universe |
| 14:31.01 | graphyx | Who sent it? |
| 14:31.19 | goozbach | graphyx: I just deleted the line from my logs as webalizer was freaking out |
| 14:31.34 | goozbach | apache ended up truncating the request |
| 14:31.38 | graphyx | ox |
| 14:31.43 | graphyx | ok |
| 14:31.47 | goozbach | I've also blocked the ip address it came from |
| 14:31.52 | goozbach | just to be sure |
| 14:31.54 | graphyx | good |
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| 14:33.34 | tensai | ~lart elg |
| 14:33.48 | graphyx | -chat about just delete |
| 14:33.49 | brac | just delete all lines after the first, you need to supervise |
| 14:34.11 | graphyx | -chat about underwear is |
| 14:34.11 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 14:34.31 | graphyx | -chat about green jello |
| 14:34.31 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
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| 14:35.51 | ^Migs^ | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=connectile+dysfunction&defid=2235088 |
| 14:37.58 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LinLVEOjkKc |
| 14:40.32 | elg | -chat |
| 14:40.33 | brac | not be drawn from |
| 14:42.42 | goozbach | http://www.knx1070.com/pages/234386.php?contentType=4&contentId=325981 |
| 14:42.43 | brac | [KNX - *] |
| 14:42.58 | goozbach | schools put on lockdown after batman sighting |
| 14:43.17 | goozbach | ^Migs^: you have connectile disfunction? |
| 14:43.26 | ^Migs^ | no, I just thought it was funny |
| 14:43.30 | goozbach | that's something I'd not admit to |
| 14:43.37 | goozbach | first a lump, now CD |
| 14:43.46 | goozbach | dood get your self to the doctor |
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| 15:10.31 | elg | -chat |
| 15:10.32 | brac | If you had not been observed |
| 15:15.15 | elg | http://xkcd.com/c224.html |
| 15:15.15 | brac | [xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe] |
| 15:20.17 | elg | -lart brailsmt_ |
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| 15:31.07 | goozbach | a rerun of blues clues?! |
| 15:31.11 | goozbach | I love that show |
| 15:31.18 | goozbach | ~perl elg |
| 15:31.29 | ibot | ACTION forces ^Migs^ to use perl |
| 15:32.55 | elg | goo skiddoo, we can too! |
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| 15:40.57 | graphyx | goozbach: So is it true what they say? That on the internet all the little girls are FBI agents? |
| 15:45.51 | Sargun | eyah |
| 15:45.54 | Sargun | It is true |
| 15:48.06 | jsmith | Yup... it's true |
| 15:48.08 | maquis | levi_home: http://xkcd.com/ |
| 15:48.09 | brac | [xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe] |
| 15:49.33 | maquis | graphyx: yup :) |
| 15:49.44 | maquis | er... i mean... nope... |
| 15:56.15 | elg | levi: did you weigh in on the byu/uvsc thread? You've actually attended both |
| 15:59.42 | goozbach | hey everybody CHECK OUT XKCD!!! |
| 16:00.14 | goozbach | redbeard2: you remember the date of your cooking demo at UUG? |
| 16:01.02 | QBFreak | after the fire alarm and poison control, who can forget that day... |
| 16:02.45 | elg | didn't someone get amnesia? |
| 16:03.07 | elg | redbeard2: congratulations! did I wake you up? |
| 16:08.05 | goozbach | QBFreak: I still remember the trip to the Emergency Room |
| 16:09.15 | goozbach | I'm trying to remember when I looked like a Beatle http://friocorte.com/talam/photo?photo_id=8980 |
| 16:09.33 | redbeard2 | goozbach: i could find out |
| 16:13.03 | maquis | as for the byu/uvsc thread, i've been surprised by the amount of respect byu has with various companies out in the "real world". I know that both microsoft and amazon recruit heavily there... |
| 16:13.35 | elg | goozbach: you're shaking those spices like a maracca |
| 16:13.39 | elg | maybe you were a beatle |
| 16:13.45 | scott_ | when the cursor for a mouse is "jumpy" does that mean the lens thingy has dirt on it? |
| 16:13.59 | elg | "he loves food, yeah yeah yeah" |
| 16:14.15 | elg | scott_: is it wireless? most likely low battery |
| 16:14.22 | elg | is it mechanical? dirty ball |
| 16:14.30 | elg | can you blame the OS? |
| 16:14.35 | scott_ | wireless, rechargable battery |
| 16:14.37 | elg | can you blame the user? are they superstitious? |
| 16:14.52 | scott_ | I've witnessed it |
| 16:15.05 | scott_ | it's one of thos logitech mx laser I think |
| 16:15.06 | elg | what is the surface like? glossy? |
| 16:15.18 | elg | if it does it on a matte finish like a piece of paper |
| 16:15.21 | scott_ | plastic dell mouse pad |
| 16:15.22 | elg | then it's probably the battery |
| 16:15.31 | elg | those things have given me fits with optical mice |
| 16:15.31 | scott_ | ok, I'll try it on paper |
| 16:15.39 | elg | the black ones with the funny checkerboards? |
| 16:16.17 | scott_ | light blue |
| 16:16.30 | elg | not familiar with those |
| 16:16.38 | elg | i like statistics |
| 16:16.43 | scott_ | well thanks, I'll try different surface |
| 16:16.52 | scott_ | that's random |
| 16:16.59 | elg | failing that battery (rechargeable or not) is your prime candidate |
| 16:18.03 | goozbach | how is it that ANYTHING with the word "Viagra" can make it through my spam filter?! |
| 16:18.15 | goozbach | gonna have to increase the score for that word |
| 16:18.28 | scott_ | on another note, anyone know if windows XP has a client built in for IPSec or PPTP? I'm wondering what is the best type of VPN to setup |
| 16:18.52 | maquis | -chat |
| 16:18.52 | brac | "Barrymore has been very closely shadowed by someone since he has never been a faster process and more bandwidth becomes available. |
| 16:19.03 | elg | xp has pptp I believe |
| 16:19.09 | goozbach | I left my PAA home |
| 16:19.10 | elg | pptp's redeeming quality |
| 16:19.11 | goozbach | drat |
| 16:19.23 | elg | ipsec is a hassle. if you have a choice go with pptp or openvpn |
| 16:19.25 | goozbach | -chat about is it |
| 16:19.26 | brac | but chat about is elementary |
| 16:19.26 | brac | is it possible to do tomorrow. Tonight we can stop at Marcini's for a comparatively short period that I should certainly be suspected if the voltage used to be able to allocate the right time and the cheapest ones usualy get hot or lockup |
| 16:19.30 | elg | if you care about security, go with openvpn |
| 16:19.46 | goozbach | clear |
| 16:19.49 | goozbach | doh |
| 16:20.08 | goozbach | stupid lag |
| 16:20.42 | Supaplex | ~do CPR on goozbach, quick! |
| 16:20.43 | ibot | ACTION does CPR on goozbach, quick!. |
| 16:20.44 | Supaplex | ;) |
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| 16:20.50 | Supaplex | HAH cool |
| 16:23.02 | goozbach | I forgot that LUTE was this week |
| 16:23.05 | goozbach | anyone going? |
| 16:23.44 | goozbach | if so, stop by howard taylor's booth and say "I'm your biggest fan" |
| 16:23.48 | goozbach | just for me |
| 16:24.05 | goozbach | be all giddy and fanboyish to make it geninue |
| 16:24.24 | elg | "Hi Howard. Your biggest fan is a Beatle." |
| 16:24.34 | goozbach | elg: FORMER beatle |
| 16:24.39 | goozbach | I'm clean cut now |
| 16:24.48 | elg | skinhead? |
| 16:24.49 | goozbach | and about 30lbs heaver |
| 16:24.51 | goozbach | heavier |
| 16:24.59 | elg | _you_ gained weight? |
| 16:24.59 | goozbach | mil-spec crewcut |
| 16:25.05 | scott_ | elg: with openvpn you need special software on each client right? |
| 16:25.05 | goozbach | I know!? |
| 16:25.12 | elg | scott_: yes |
| 16:25.13 | goozbach | I'm as suprised as the next guy |
| 16:25.17 | elg | but it's as easy to install as to set up pptp |
| 16:25.20 | scott_ | elg, is the windows client nice? |
| 16:25.26 | elg | yup |
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| 16:25.34 | elg | just run the cute installer |
| 16:25.48 | elg | you get a taskbar icon. if it's green you're connected. if it's not, you double click and then it'll turn green |
| 16:25.59 | elg | you just have to place some config files in the right place |
| 16:26.00 | fozzmoo | How cute. |
| 16:26.22 | goozbach | ~cute fozzmoo |
| 16:26.24 | ibot | ACTION sings to fozzmoo "ooooh, you are so cute!!!" |
| 16:26.46 | goozbach | hey! I love stumbiling onto unknown ibot verbs |
| 16:26.56 | goozbach | ~stumble fozzmoo |
| 16:27.00 | elg | -chat about bot ma |
| 16:27.00 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 16:27.03 | elg | -chat about bot man |
| 16:27.03 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 16:27.16 | elg | "Robin, to the snowmobile!" |
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| 16:27.26 | fozzmoo | ~trip goozbach |
| 16:27.36 | fozzmoo | ~fly goozbach |
| 16:28.00 | elg | oh no, it's TimRiker! Run! |
| 16:28.00 | fozzmoo | ~meow goozbach |
| 16:28.19 | Supaplex | hide the bzflags! |
| 16:28.20 | fozzmoo | ~foo goozbach |
| 16:28.23 | ibot | ACTION foo! || <action> bar goozbach || <reply> foo goozbach bar || foo |
| 16:29.27 | goozbach | hmmm my hiligting only catches the first instance of my nick |
| 16:29.28 | goozbach | hmmm |
| 16:29.48 | goozbach | Stand Back!!! I know regular expressions! |
| 16:30.00 | Supaplex | goozbach goozbach goozbach goozbach goozbach goozbach goozbach highlight test |
| 16:30.00 | elg | This is UNIX. I know this |
| 16:30.12 | TimRiker | ~bzfrag elg |
| 16:30.24 | ibot | ACTION tries to kill elg, but elg finds the shield flag |
| 16:30.36 | elg | woohoo |
| 16:30.39 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 16:30.55 | elg | and here I thought the sheild flag was worthless |
| 16:31.06 | TimRiker | ~bzfrag elg |
| 16:31.08 | ibot | ACTION tries to kill elg, but elg finds the shield flag |
| 16:31.12 | TimRiker | wow. |
| 16:31.17 | TimRiker | ~bzfrag elg |
| 16:31.19 | ibot | ACTION tries to kill elg, but elg finds the shield flag |
| 16:31.19 | goozbach | go elg! |
| 16:31.29 | TimRiker | hmm. must have a bug. |
| 16:31.31 | TimRiker | ~bzfrag elg |
| 16:31.32 | ibot | ACTION fries elg with a laser |
| 16:31.41 | Supaplex | w00w00! |
| 16:31.44 | goozbach | no, elg is just lucky |
| 16:31.46 | TimRiker | nope. just really really lucky. :) |
| 16:31.50 | goozbach | well to an extent |
| 16:32.23 | elg | ~bzfrag emcnabb |
| 16:32.24 | ibot | ACTION kills emcnabb with a shot from his BZTank |
| 16:32.35 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 16:32.35 | TimRiker | xbmc rox. |
| 16:33.22 | TimRiker | ran bzflag on the xbox last night. it sucked of course with no 3d hardware support. still it amused me. |
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| 16:37.11 | levi | Good morning. |
| 16:37.45 | goozbach | good morning levi! |
| 16:37.49 | goozbach | yay mornings |
| 16:37.58 | levi | Someone's cheery. |
| 16:38.02 | goozbach | I don't even miss caffiene anymore |
| 16:38.09 | goozbach | yay! |
| 16:38.18 | levi | How long have you been off it? |
| 16:38.31 | goozbach | well over two months now |
| 16:38.51 | goozbach | done marvels for my morning life |
| 16:42.47 | elg | congrats |
| 16:42.59 | elg | ~cheers goozbach |
| 16:43.15 | elg | -chat about morning person |
| 16:43.15 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 16:43.23 | elg | -chat about the xbox |
| 16:43.23 | brac | the xbox that settles it. Mrs. Oldmore, too; I seem to me that |
| 16:44.02 | Supaplex | I only mess with caffiene in that mid-afternoon slump, when ciesta (sp?) tries to take over |
| 16:44.20 | elg | siesta |
| 16:44.28 | elg | you should never interfere with siesta |
| 16:45.37 | Supaplex | hard to do when you're on someone elses' time |
| 16:46.03 | QBFreak | scott_: I didn't see if you got an answer but my MX1000 has been known ot get dust in the lense, a can of duster can clear it out |
| 16:47.08 | QBFreak | mine also had the laser reciever assembly come loose, but of course opening it voids any warranty |
| 16:47.18 | QBFreak | Logitech replaced it, didn't want the old one, so I opened it and fixed it :) |
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| 16:56.00 | elg | why doesn't my desk just stay clean? |
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| 16:58.05 | goozbach | elg: cause you haven't beat it enough |
| 17:00.47 | elg | goozbach: are you still beating your desk? |
| 17:03.56 | goozbach | yup |
| 17:03.59 | goozbach | every morning |
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| 17:05.34 | levi | No wonder he feels so chipper. |
| 17:07.59 | maquis | bah... this is a complete pain |
| 17:09.16 | levi | Writing in perl again? |
| 17:13.02 | maquis | levi: nope |
| 17:13.22 | maquis | using a particularly painful web-ui |
| 17:15.55 | levi | Oh. |
| 17:21.42 | maquis | it takes about 20 seconds to load each page |
| 17:29.30 | elg | ~unload on maquis |
| 17:30.26 | maquis | -chat |
| 17:30.26 | brac | if you got it wrong so when they were speaking spanish, but because of Java. |
| 17:34.08 | QBFreak | brac: you make no sense |
| 17:35.40 | elg | maybe he's confusing indonesia with colombia |
| 17:37.13 | maquis | -chat |
| 17:37.13 | brac | rechargable battery |
| 17:37.27 | maquis | -chat about rechargable battery |
| 17:37.27 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 17:37.35 | maquis | rechargable battery is misspelled |
| 17:37.39 | maquis | -chat about rechargable battery |
| 17:37.39 | brac | rechargable battery is misspelled |
| 17:37.46 | maquis | -chat |
| 17:37.46 | brac | Long Term: A Utah county company that was his openly expressed desire that the new brown boot, |
| 17:37.59 | maquis | lol |
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| 17:43.37 | vontrapp | has anyone gotten touch pad scrolling to work in 64 bit? |
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| 17:45.26 | elg | maybe you need more finger to adjust for the extra bits |
| 17:50.20 | fozzmoo | vontrapp: I did. |
| 17:50.20 | fozzmoo | Then I went back to 32-bit. |
| 17:50.20 | fozzmoo | Sick of flash sites being a problem. |
| 17:50.28 | vontrapp | i installed 32 bit on again, and then the scrolling worked |
| 17:50.44 | vontrapp | i'm wondering if it's the 32 bit, or the fresh install |
| 17:51.05 | vontrapp | in 64 bit |
| 17:51.05 | elg | vontrapp: a non-scrolling touch pad must be more usable |
| 17:51.15 | vontrapp | i like the scrolling |
| 17:51.21 | vontrapp | then again, my tp is pretty big |
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| 17:55.22 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, agreed, 'though harleypig finally has flash working in 64 on his |
| 17:55.41 | elg | vontrapp: that doesn't matter. what matters is what's more usable |
| 17:57.18 | goozbach | when did you stop beating your kids? |
| 17:57.25 | goozbach | -chat about when did |
| 17:57.25 | brac | when did you (try to) install kdevelop through ubuntu? |
| 18:02.26 | tensai | ~lart maquis |
| 18:02.52 | Lone_Wanderer | beware the giant beavers! |
| 18:03.10 | fozzmoo | Indeed. |
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| 18:11.11 | elg | ~beaver tensai |
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| 18:14.05 | findlay | levi: if 0 does not equate to False, then there is no natural analog (or cast) between Boole and integers or real numbers |
| 18:14.15 | findlay | is this not a problem? |
| 18:14.22 | levi | findlay: And why should there be? |
| 18:14.46 | findlay | I guess I'm thinking in terms of numbers to indicate meaning |
| 18:14.58 | levi | Why should you use a number to indicate anything other than a number? |
| 18:15.06 | findlay | return codes, signals, etc. |
| 18:15.16 | levi | Especially when you have much richer datatypes and control structures available. |
| 18:15.22 | levi | findlay: Your mind, too, has been warped by C. |
| 18:15.29 | findlay | heh |
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| 18:16.04 | elg | and by physics |
| 18:16.23 | Keighvin | This company does not suck. |
| 18:16.32 | levi | Is there a mapping between numbers and boolean values in Physics? |
| 18:16.34 | findlay | levi: yes, I know and I was trying to adjust to the way you were explaining but had trouble understanding that one issue |
| 18:16.56 | findlay | it was enlightening |
| 18:17.23 | Lone_Wanderer | levi: don't computers use numbers to represent *everything*? It's all binary. |
| 18:17.23 | elg | i should probably say math. mathematics is always trying to map things to the real numbers |
| 18:17.23 | findlay | gives you a whole new context for computer languages |
| 18:17.23 | elg | but that's irrelevant for actual programming |
| 18:17.23 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: It doesn't matter what the computer does. We're talking about languages. |
| 18:18.05 | levi | elg: Sometimes, but sometimes you can always map things to other sets as well. |
| 18:18.10 | levi | Er. |
| 18:18.11 | elg | yeah |
| 18:18.23 | elg | totally. rich types are more mathematical than number-only types |
| 18:18.25 | levi | There was one too many 'sometimes' in there, but you know what I meant. |
| 18:18.30 | elg | that doesn't mean findlay hasn't been poisoned. :) |
| 18:18.44 | elg | what I don't get is why tom hanks is interested in linux in utah |
| 18:19.17 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: And that fact is precisely why it makes sense for C to consider 0 to be the canonical false value. |
| 18:23.07 | levi | elg: Well, I assume it's not /that/ Tom Hanks. :) |
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| 18:35.57 | vontrapp | where's the cpu thermal zone info located? |
| 18:36.05 | vontrapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.09 | Supaplex | proc/acpi/ |
| 18:36.59 | bonez39 | I just came across a news feed I want to follow...curious what newsreaders are popular here |
| 18:37.18 | elg | safari |
| 18:37.53 | Supaplex | now where oh where is that nibbing tool of mine *sigh* |
| 18:39.26 | vontrapp | got up to 85°, was wondering if that was still ok |
| 18:39.33 | bonez39 | elg, safari, eh? |
| 18:39.39 | elg | yeah, but you have to run os x :) |
| 18:39.51 | elg | vontrapp: my living room gets up to 85. I hope that's ok |
| 18:39.51 | vontrapp | looks like critical is 90° and passive, whatever that means, is 88° |
| 18:40.05 | vontrapp | elg: 85°C |
| 18:40.12 | elg | ah |
| 18:40.15 | elg | that's another story |
| 18:40.27 | elg | my living room peaks out at about 70 C ;-) |
| 18:40.31 | bonez39 | elg, ah..no fruity machines on my desk......guess I'll run safari next month, when I have an apple |
| 18:40.33 | vontrapp | elg: and no, an 85° living room is _not_ ok |
| 18:41.42 | vontrapp | -lart lag |
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| 18:42.44 | elg | might try raggle, if you like console apps |
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| 18:43.59 | bonez39 | ok... |
| 18:44.03 | linuxalien | Hi guys |
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| 18:44.30 | Keighvin | Word up. |
| 18:45.14 | elg | word down |
| 18:45.40 | linuxalien | The weekend is practically here! |
| 18:45.42 | Keighvin | I stand corrected. |
| 18:46.02 | linuxalien | Me too haha |
| 18:46.06 | Keighvin | They're closing the office early here, on account of nobody gets anything done on Friday afternoons before a 3 day weekend anyway. |
| 18:46.07 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.25 | goozbach | driving to ATL tonight |
| 18:46.29 | linuxalien | Woo hoo! |
| 18:46.30 | goozbach | YAY! |
| 18:58.39 | elg | -metar panc |
| 18:58.40 | bonez39 | elg, does raggle's ruby foundation appeal to you, or otherwise.....? I am digging in and reading about it.... |
| 18:58.41 | brac | PANC 161853Z 01005KT 1 1/2SM -SN BR BKN020 OVC050 M04/M08 A2978 RMK AO2 SLP086 P0000 T10391078 |
| 18:59.08 | elg | i first looked at it because of ruby. i kept looking at it because it's console based and has vi keybindings (like mutt) |
| 18:59.09 | vontrapp | bonez39: i tried raggle once, it wasn't very rubyish, imo |
| 18:59.16 | vontrapp | the code, that is |
| 18:59.25 | elg | i stopped looking because it didn't really integrate well with my deskstyle |
| 18:59.30 | vontrapp | as for the interface, it was ok, but lacking, which is why i dug into the code |
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| 18:59.51 | elg | ~kill harleypig |
| 18:59.52 | ibot | ACTION shoots a excited photon gun at harleypig |
| 19:00.06 | elg | no, nott he flashlight! |
| 19:00.12 | harleypig | uhh ... I dunno if I want an excited photon gun aimed at me ... |
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| 19:00.41 | harleypig | I have the perfect solution for that: http://xkcd.com/c224.html |
| 19:00.42 | brac | [xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe] |
| 19:00.47 | vontrapp | i'm not sure i want that either, better just to leave harleypig in the dark |
| 19:01.02 | harleypig | Then you wouldn't know where not to look! |
| 19:03.57 | Keighvin | I know where to look. |
| 19:04.07 | Keighvin | And I'd rather not (know OR look |
| 19:04.08 | Keighvin | ) |
| 19:04.40 | maquis | -chat |
| 19:04.40 | brac | ASD: Infrastructure Mode, Freq 0.000 MHz, Rate 62 |
| 19:06.04 | harleypig | But if the lights were off you wouldn't know where to look. |
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| 19:11.06 | Keighvin | Assuming my ears and nose were both also plugged, perhaps. |
| 19:14.00 | bonez39 | elg, mutt is my friend....;) |
| 19:20.43 | elg | hey levi don't look now but mr mud is gearing up to write his own scripting language |
| 19:37.46 | elg | i can't think of a more horrendous waste of time and money than going to a university when you only want a trade school |
| 19:38.11 | elg | (unless you change your mind mid-stream) |
| 19:39.19 | macnewbold | amen |
| 19:39.27 | macnewbold | or going to a trade school when you really want a university |
| 19:40.09 | graphyx | Or going to school when what you really want is to get married |
| 19:40.16 | elg | lol |
| 19:40.34 | macnewbold | unless the school is BYU, where they have that tuition refund policy.... |
| 19:40.50 | graphyx | I thought that that was ricks. |
| 19:40.53 | macnewbold | if you can finish a four year degree at BYU without getting married by graduation day, they have to refund your tuition |
| 19:41.00 | macnewbold | ricks => BYU Idaho |
| 19:41.06 | macnewbold | I think it applies at all church schools |
| 19:41.16 | graphyx | I know |
| 19:41.17 | macnewbold | BYU-I, BYU-H, LDSBC, and BYU |
| 19:41.18 | elg | except maybe seminary |
| 19:41.37 | graphyx | my ggggg grand father lost the name sake school |
| 19:41.48 | macnewbold | Southern Virginia University isn't a church owned school, but they cater to LDS students quite a bit, so they're adopting the same policy too I heard |
| 19:42.00 | graphyx | Really?= |
| 19:42.01 | macnewbold | graphyx: was his name Rick too? |
| 19:42.11 | graphyx | Only the last one |
| 19:42.26 | macnewbold | some people jokingly call SVU BYU-Virginia, but it's not technically true of course |
| 19:42.33 | graphyx | Thomas E. Ricks |
| 19:42.34 | elg | how does he feel about brig moving in on his namesake? |
| 19:42.40 | macnewbold | maybe they're itching to get bought by the church |
| 19:43.54 | graphyx | My family has a book that they have had printed and distributed to everyone who wanted one about him. |
| 19:43.59 | atoponce | has anyone used the otr-proxy for non-gaim im apps? |
| 19:44.17 | vontrapp | elg: |
| 19:44.21 | elg | vontrapp: |
| 19:44.25 | vontrapp | elg: |
| 19:44.35 | elg | atoponce: I use otr in adium, which isn't gaim |
| 19:44.38 | graphyx | The last page is like, "He was a great man, but mainly unknown. Good thing there is Ricks college to preserve his name." |
| 19:44.40 | elg | vontrapp: |
| 19:44.58 | atoponce | elg: but, audium has the capability to run otr natively without the proxy, right? |
| 19:45.05 | elg | oh yes |
| 19:45.10 | vontrapp | oh proxy |
| 19:45.12 | vontrapp | right |
| 19:45.18 | vontrapp | never heard of it |
| 19:45.45 | elg | i hope this proxy runs locally :) |
| 19:46.01 | elg | dang it, late for class again |
| 19:46.13 | elg | that's what I get for actually working |
| 19:46.17 | atoponce | yeah. it does, from what i know |
| 19:46.51 | atoponce | hmm, but looking at the site, it only does aim/icq |
| 19:46.54 | atoponce | that sux |
| 19:47.23 | vontrapp | gah, i can see like 4 different versions of the apartment wireless, but not a single one of them has a quality level over 10 |
| 19:47.57 | harleypig | What's the chmod option to force everything created in a directory to be in a specific group? |
| 19:48.13 | vontrapp | and whats worse, i have to use one when my laptop is on my lap, and a different one when i put it on the table! |
| 19:48.37 | vontrapp | harleypig: chmod :group -R path |
| 19:48.45 | vontrapp | -R is recursive, not sure if you wanted that |
| 19:48.45 | brac | but R is <reply>A language and environment for statistical computing.. URL: http://www.r-project.org |
| 19:49.04 | atoponce | ok, then next question: can you turn off encryption overhead using ssh in a local network |
| 19:49.04 | vontrapp | generally, chmod [user][:group] |
| 19:49.17 | atoponce | that was one advantage or rsh, iirc |
| 19:49.20 | vontrapp | er, chown |
| 19:49.29 | harleypig | vontrapp: That changes existing files ... there is supposed to be a way to make it so that a file being created is automatically chgrp'd to that gorup. |
| 19:49.39 | vontrapp | hmm, don't know |
| 19:49.42 | vontrapp | wish i did |
| 19:49.58 | atoponce | if i'm local, and encryption isn't an issue, as it is here, then i don't want it |
| 19:50.12 | mrpull | harleypig: are you looking for chmod g+s? |
| 19:50.24 | vontrapp | sticky? |
| 19:50.28 | vontrapp | that's what that does? |
| 19:50.43 | harleypig | If that forces files to created with a specific group ... how would I specify the group? |
| 19:50.44 | mrpull | it's been a long time, but that is my recolection |
| 19:50.48 | brac | it's been a major announcement later on that one of the huge |
| 19:50.56 | vontrapp | can you make the sticky sticky? chmod s+s |
| 19:50.58 | mrpull | change the group of the containing folder to the desired group |
| 19:51.25 | vontrapp | harleypig: it would be the group of the dir |
| 19:51.25 | mrpull | s/folder/directory/ |
| 19:52.00 | vontrapp | the dir's group sticks to files created in it |
| 19:52.08 | harleypig | ah |
| 19:52.10 | vontrapp | according to mrpull |
| 19:52.23 | mrpull | hah! oh dear. better pull up the man page. |
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| 19:52.51 | harleypig | mrpull: that was it. thanks. |
| 19:53.27 | atoponce | i guess i shouldn't really worry about it |
| 19:53.42 | mrpull | phew... i'm getting rusty in my old age |
| 19:54.03 | atoponce | the encryption overhead is probably extremely minimal, especially if using compression |
| 19:54.16 | mrpull | why use compression when it is local? |
| 19:54.27 | mrpull | compression is more expensive than bandwidth... |
| 19:54.29 | atoponce | why use encryption? |
| 19:54.36 | mrpull | stop sniffers |
| 19:54.40 | atoponce | that's my big question. |
| 19:54.52 | mrpull | if you don't want encryption, use telnet |
| 19:54.54 | atoponce | there's only 2 of us (3 total employees) |
| 19:55.06 | mrpull | but unless you are seriously strapped for CPU... just use SSH |
| 19:55.12 | atoponce | well, i don't want to employ another service |
| 19:55.48 | atoponce | yeah. that's what i'm reading. i'm seeing timings onlined, and it looks like the timing differences are exceptionally minimal |
| 19:56.51 | tristanbob | anyone use the master password in Firefox? sounds like a great idea |
| 19:57.14 | atoponce | i don't |
| 19:57.30 | atoponce | i'm not a fan of storing passwords, or other sensitive data |
| 19:57.55 | atoponce | i clear my cache, forms, etc (all of it) everytime i close my browser, and i don't keep a history |
| 19:57.56 | levi | atoponce: There are two parts to SSH, the public key handshaking at connection and the secret key encryption that encrypts traffic. The former is expensive, and done only once. The latter is extremely cheap. |
| 19:57.57 | tristanbob | I like the trade-off , security vs ease of use |
| 19:57.59 | atoponce | :) |
| 19:58.19 | atoponce | tristanbob: yeah |
| 19:58.34 | levi | tristanbob: Ease of use can lead to greater security, as well. |
| 19:58.41 | atoponce | levi: hmmm. makes sense |
| 19:59.06 | levi | When you store passwords, hopefully encrypted with a strong master password, you can use unique and secure passwords for different services. |
| 19:59.11 | brac | When you did not lie, and that the waste of time (how long?), try one that brings the feel of the modern Belgian |
| 19:59.13 | atoponce | i'm not really too worried about it. we are on a gigabit network, i was just curious |
| 19:59.28 | levi | atoponce: There is no network overhead to encryption, only CPU overhead. |
| 19:59.46 | levi | Well, there's a tiny bit of overhead for the public key handshaking. |
| 20:00.00 | levi | And a tiny bit for the framing of packets. |
| 20:00.11 | levi | Though I don't recall how much of that is actually done with ssh. |
| 20:00.22 | levi | But you're worrying about trivial things again. |
| 20:00.32 | atoponce | right. ok. yeah. the cpu is handling the load, and given todays processors, it should be a non-issue |
| 20:00.47 | atoponce | well, i was just curious |
| 20:01.27 | levi | I had to become well-aquainted with this stuff when trying to get ssh on embedded devices. |
| 20:02.54 | atoponce | levi: is there a way to time using compression on ssh? say for copying a file via scp? |
| 20:04.09 | atoponce | hmmm. bad question. let me re-phrase |
| 20:04.20 | levi | atoponce: Well, I'd first try to control for network load. Use just two machines and a switch and have no chatty network services enabled. Then do a few iterations of 'time scp ... ' with encryption enabled and disabled. |
| 20:05.12 | levi | I'm not really sure what kind of result you'd get. I'm sure it would vary based on the kind and size of the files. |
| 20:05.13 | atoponce | well, i did that, and regardless, the time was always the same. but, that isn't really what i'm after. |
| 20:05.24 | atoponce | here's what i'm looking for: |
| 20:05.59 | tensai | -chat about surprise to |
| 20:05.59 | brac | surprise to the Linux app ran faster in almost every movie in your path. |
| 20:06.16 | atoponce | i scp the same file, under ideal network conditions. i would like to see 1) the time it takes to compress the packets before sending, 2) the bandwidth on the wire and 3) the time it takes to decompress |
| 20:06.45 | atoponce | i'm not concerned about encryption/decryption timings |
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| 20:08.41 | atoponce | an overall timing just isn't informative, i think. the only things i derived from an overall timing were: |
| 20:09.23 | atoponce | 1) the time it took to xfer the whole file, which was always the same, and 2) the average speed on the wire, which, again, was always the same |
| 20:10.32 | atoponce | in otherwords, it was always 2.5 minutes to xfer, and the average speed was 114Kbps, regardless of compression or no, and regardless of the compression algo (1-9) |
| 20:15.22 | levi | What kind of file was it? |
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| 20:18.20 | atoponce | i don't remember. the numbers above are made up just to illustrate a point. it was decent size using scp |
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| 20:19.26 | levi | I ask because a high-entropy file will not be compressed much at all, while a low-entropy file could be compressed quite a bit. |
| 20:19.41 | atoponce | hmm. good point |
| 20:24.42 | QBFreak | being that this is an OSS focused channel, I don't suppose anyone here uses or supports outlook? |
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| 20:25.01 | tene | http://www.paulgraham.com/wealth.html |
| 20:25.01 | Lone_Wanderer | What do you need to do with it? |
| 20:25.02 | brac | [How to Make Wealth] |
| 20:25.03 | mrpull | Qbfreak: i'm pretty comfortable with outlook/exchange |
| 20:25.53 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crfrKqFp0Zg&NR |
| 20:27.09 | harleypig | ^Migs^: that's ... very interesting |
| 20:28.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh snap, I forgot to get headphones over lunch. Oh well. |
| 20:28.21 | harleypig | Hey, there's an inspector gadget by the same guy |
| 20:28.28 | harleypig | and sesame stree. |
| 20:28.43 | Lone_Wanderer | heh I thought you said sesame trees. |
| 20:28.58 | harleypig | heh |
| 20:29.32 | ^Migs^ | lolsesametreeslololol |
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| 20:32.18 | scott_ | anyone know of a tool for creating a cached copy of a samba share? Other than rsync/unisonish solutions :) |
| 20:33.12 | mrpull | scott_: you could use DFS on Windows |
| 20:33.25 | elg | atoponce: what I don't get is why you are concerned enough about security to go all out and clear your browser cache, history, stored information, etc. every day but you don't want the very minimal overhead of ssh |
| 20:33.42 | atoponce | elg: i'm curious about how it works |
| 20:33.46 | QBFreak | mrpull: every time I open a message, and it doesn't matter if I just opened it, it takes 5-10 seconds for the window to show up |
| 20:34.24 | mrpull | are you using exchange or some other mail server? |
| 20:34.24 | atoponce | elg: don't get me wrong. i use it for *everything* in my life, i'm just overly curious about it |
| 20:34.47 | atoponce | elg: if i can get a good grasp on how specifically certain aspects of it work, then maybe i can utilize it better |
| 20:34.48 | elg | carry on then |
| 20:34.50 | atoponce | that's all |
| 20:34.51 | atoponce | :) |
| 20:35.24 | elg | nyt headline: "New Orlean's New Setback: Fed-Up Residents Giving Up" |
| 20:35.43 | levi | Ow. |
| 20:35.47 | elg | should that read, "New Orlean's Setback: Residents just now getting Fed-Up and Giving Up" |
| 20:36.02 | levi | Orlean's ? |
| 20:36.02 | QBFreak | mrpull: ISP's mail server |
| 20:36.10 | elg | oh, I missed an s |
| 20:36.23 | mrpull | do you have a virus scanner that has an outlook integration? |
| 20:36.26 | levi | Okay, I was beginning to wonder about the NYT. |
| 20:36.42 | QBFreak | yes, AVG, I tried disabling it, shutting it down, disabling its addin |
| 20:36.49 | elg | looked more like a daily unifarse headline eh? :) |
| 20:37.04 | mrpull | you using POP or IMAP? |
| 20:37.09 | levi | elg: Indeed. |
| 20:37.13 | maquis | elg: nah... daily unifarce would break it more |
| 20:37.15 | mrpull | if it is POP, i'd start pointing fingers at the virus scanner |
| 20:37.47 | mrpull | is there a CPU spike associated with opening the message? |
| 20:37.51 | QBFreak | ok, I'll uninstall it and see what happens |
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| 20:38.08 | mrpull | maybe get procexplorer and see what process is causing the spike. |
| 20:38.35 | QBFreak | yeah, it is spiking for the duration of the wait |
| 20:38.43 | QBFreak | cool, I'll give that a shot and see what I come up with |
| 20:40.59 | QBFreak | naturally its outlook.exe |
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| 20:45.46 | mrpull | Qbfreak: hrrmm... that stinks. Are they HTML messages or plain? |
| 20:45.56 | mrpull | what version of Outlook? |
| 20:46.47 | QBFreak | plain text, Outlook 2000 |
| 20:46.57 | QBFreak | I uninstalled AVG with no change |
| 20:47.10 | QBFreak | I'll disable everything in startup but I'm not terribly hopeful |
| 20:47.37 | mrpull | hold shift (or is it control) while starting outlook |
| 20:47.50 | mrpull | that'll start outlook in safe mode |
| 20:47.55 | goozbach | pineabble |
| 20:48.14 | mrpull | i've stayed pretty current on the outlook upgrade curve, so i haven't used 2000 for several years. |
| 20:48.17 | QBFreak | cool, I'll try that next |
| 20:48.29 | QBFreak | this is a customer machine and thats what he's got :) |
| 20:48.31 | mrpull | there is a demo for 2007 on their site |
| 20:48.36 | mrpull | ah hah |
| 20:48.43 | mrpull | 2007 is pretty slick. i like it. |
| 20:48.46 | QBFreak | 6-7 seconds per message is just abysmal |
| 20:49.00 | mrpull | really old pc? need more ram? |
| 20:49.18 | QBFreak | I'll check, I've got one high pritority PC I need to install some stuff on quick |
| 20:49.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Is anyone here familiar with Open Office? |
| 20:50.07 | QBFreak | isn't that drafty? *ducks and runs* |
| 20:50.27 | Lone_Wanderer | (By "familiar with" I mean "can probably tell me how to make this annoyance go away", not "has heard of and used it once or twice") |
| 20:52.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, when I put the cursor on a line that has bullet points or numbering, it opens a toolbar that pops up and obscures things I'd rather be looking at |
| 20:52.29 | Lone_Wanderer | and when I move the cursor to a line without it, it goes away |
| 20:52.35 | Lone_Wanderer | is there any way to make it never show up? |
| 20:52.54 | Lone_Wanderer | ("things I'd rather be looking at" means "anything other than t he stupid toolbar", so moving it won't help.) |
| 20:52.59 | brac | ("things I'd rather not go to class hierarchies. In CLOS, method dispatch can be written in a serious thing to have to get |
| 20:53.35 | QBFreak | brac: you make less sense every day |
| 20:53.47 | Lone_Wanderer | ("test to see what's up with brac |
| 20:54.08 | QBFreak | I think I saw someone turn on a random chat mode yesterday |
| 20:54.59 | tene | -chat |
| 20:54.59 | brac | forked process uses the parent's memory until it was the man says for the new SATA connectors that clip on are nice. |
| 20:56.09 | QBFreak | mrpull: 480 MB of RAM (plenty), nothing running at startup at all, still doing it :( |
| 20:58.12 | QBFreak | I tried to start outlook in safe mode, no indication that it did, no change |
| 20:59.23 | mrpull | dang. i'm not any help. i'm sorry. tell them to stop wasting your time and get an upgraded PC and software :) |
| 20:59.28 | elg | "Who needs to know about the invariant of an ADT?" |
| 20:59.54 | QBFreak | heh, he's one of our really good customers though, and it otherwise should be a good machine :) |
| 20:59.58 | QBFreak | I really appreciate the help |
| 21:00.05 | QBFreak | I'll reinstall outlook next |
| 21:00.50 | elg | i love how on the one hand I argued for dynamic languages yesterday, and on the other hand today I'm grading exams under the waterfall development method |
| 21:01.27 | elg | who would have thought an abstract data type could have its very own invariant? |
| 21:01.49 | tensai | Lone_Wanderer: if you dock the toolbar it won't pop up any more. it'll still appear, but it'll be in the menu bar. |
| 21:02.15 | mrpull | how big is the PST? |
| 21:02.19 | mrpull | is it huge? |
| 21:02.30 | elg | well it does cover all of california |
| 21:02.45 | levi | Whoa, never thought I'd see brac talking about CLOS and method dispatch. |
| 21:03.07 | elg | tensai fed it the plug archives |
| 21:03.15 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 21:03.24 | elg | -chat about vim or |
| 21:03.25 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 21:03.30 | elg | -chat about emacs is |
| 21:03.30 | brac | emacs is a shared folder on their guard. As it hunts for components it needs to fetch |
| 21:03.48 | elg | -chat about godwin's law |
| 21:03.48 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 21:03.53 | QBFreak | mrpull: searching for it now |
| 21:04.02 | tene | -chat about searching for |
| 21:04.02 | brac | searching for a few days ago |
| 21:04.28 | tensai | brac is reading october 2006 right now |
| 21:05.01 | tene | Does he find it interesting? |
| 21:05.12 | elg | -chat about plug is |
| 21:05.12 | brac | plug is seeking a User issue |
| 21:05.19 | tensai | he makes comments about it now and then |
| 21:05.31 | tensai | <brac> advantage of the next PLUG meeting |
| 21:06.13 | tensai | elg was feeding him sherlock holmes as well |
| 21:06.31 | elg | -chat about plug meeting |
| 21:06.31 | brac | plug meeting on Ruby. |
| 21:06.59 | elg | brac has a cookie for anyone who's even heard of an ADT invariant before |
| 21:07.19 | tensai | elg: what controls when brac responds when not specificaly requested? |
| 21:07.33 | tensai | meaning, why will he occasionally pipe up? |
| 21:07.49 | QBFreak | mrpull: only 2MB, he doesn't have a lot of mail |
| 21:08.25 | mrpull | 3 strikes i'm out |
| 21:08.33 | QBFreak | hehe |
| 21:08.37 | QBFreak | I do appreciate it |
| 21:08.50 | QBFreak | softwares are a pain sometimes |
| 21:11.21 | QBFreak | I should drop his PST and create a new one, I know there's a way to do it |
| 21:13.49 | Lone_Wanderer | tensai: I know but that bugs me too. |
| 21:19.08 | tensai | Lone_Wanderer: I slid the toolbar up next to the main toolbars so that it doesn't add a new line. now it doesn't bother me. |
| 21:19.29 | Lone_Wanderer | ahhh, I'll try that. |
| 21:19.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Much better. |
| 21:19.53 | tensai | I never use it anyway. I can't find a way to turn it completely off though |
| 21:19.59 | Lone_Wanderer | ~award tensai |
| 21:20.14 | Lone_Wanderer | ~win tensai |
| 21:20.16 | ibot | Congratulations, tensai! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL cd's, a set of 120! |
| 21:20.24 | Lone_Wanderer | There we go. |
| 21:20.38 | QBFreak | ooo |
| 21:20.41 | tensai | now my life is complete |
| 21:20.56 | QBFreak | ~ftw tensai |
| 21:21.02 | QBFreak | ibot: you're so lame |
| 21:21.32 | tensai | Fast Talking Wino? |
| 21:21.52 | QBFreak | http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aftw |
| 21:21.53 | brac | [define:ftw - Google Search] |
| 21:22.36 | tensai | Ferocious Transgender Warrior |
| 21:24.05 | tensai | Fourier Transformed Wave |
| 21:24.45 | graphyx | Futuristic Transdimentional Waveform |
| 21:26.39 | goozbach | elg: amen! |
| 21:26.40 | Lone_Wanderer | I like that one graphyx. It's the one I'll use next time someone asks what "ftw" means on WoW. |
| 21:27.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahhh, the joys of lying to newbies. |
| 21:27.11 | graphyx | Thanks |
| 21:27.25 | goozbach | re your "fun little jab" comment |
| 21:31.45 | goozbach | yay flamewars |
| 21:33.03 | atoponce | what's the flamewar discussion about? |
| 21:35.01 | levi | atoponce: Well, there are several right now. |
| 21:35.32 | levi | The most active one now seems to be about school, CS theory, etc. |
| 21:49.46 | tensai | -chat about do you |
| 21:49.46 | beandog | all we're missing is flaming debian, perl and the gpl |
| 21:49.46 | brac | do you want ot make it nearly impossible to build software that I consider silly, like sticking to my running my own ears heard the hound and the west was blazing with |
| 21:52.41 | *** join/#utah sjansen (n=sjansen@class1-nat.gurulabs.com) |
| 21:53.12 | sjansen | dmesg | tail -1000 | tac | tr A-Za-z A-Za-z | tac | less | more |
| 21:53.18 | tensai | ~flame sjansen |
| 21:53.23 | ibot | sjansen, YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 21:53.41 | Supaplex | ~flame /proc/self |
| 21:53.43 | ibot | /proc/self, YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 21:53.44 | Supaplex | :P |
| 22:07.22 | sjansen | tee /dev/stdout | bash |
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| 22:45.56 | fozzmoo | Asterisk gurus UNITE! |
| 22:47.36 | levi | http://vintagedigital.com/wtf/lisp-in-a-box.jpg |
| 22:55.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone know of a site mapping tool (like visio, only free) that I can use on a Mac? |
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| 22:58.53 | levi | What do you mean by a site mapping tool? Visio is a diagramming tool. OmniGraffle is a Mac diagramming tool, and can be used for free. |
| 23:00.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, diagramming. Something that can be used to draw site maps. |
| 23:00.32 | Lone_Wanderer | I just need boxes I can drag around, label, and connect. |
| 23:01.49 | scott_ | there's also http://www.bubbl.us/ |
| 23:01.50 | brac | [bubbl.us - brainstorming made simple] |
| 23:02.27 | mrpull | http://cmap.ihmc.us/ |
| 23:02.28 | brac | [CmapTools - Home Page Cmap.html] |
| 23:02.41 | mrpull | looked like an interesting way to diagram relationships |
| 23:05.06 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: OmniGraffle is excellent at drawing boxes, lines, and labels. |
| 23:05.40 | levi | If you want to programmatically draw things, GraphViz is excellent and has a great OS X front end. |
| 23:07.02 | scott_ | this one http://www.pixelglow.com/graphviz/ ? |
| 23:07.05 | brac | [pixelglow | graphviz] |
| 23:07.37 | Lone_Wanderer | levi: yeah, but we don't have an OmniGraffle license for this machine. |
| 23:08.53 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: You can use it unlicensed, or you can get a one-day eval license. |
| 23:09.11 | levi | scott_: Yeah |
| 23:11.33 | scott_ | levi, have you seen Jeff Han's multitouch interface? |
| 23:11.50 | levi | scott_: I think I've seen a video of it. |
| 23:12.12 | scott_ | ok, thought it might interest you. |
| 23:12.27 | levi | It does look extremely cool. :) |
| 23:16.26 | scott_ | in case anyone hasn't seen it, http://www.macrumors.com/2007/02/12/more-multitouch-from-jeff-han/ |
| 23:16.27 | brac | [Mac Rumors: More Multitouch from Jeff Han] |
| 23:19.40 | elg | -chat |
| 23:19.41 | brac | curious how you all have to do is hit the |
| 23:20.18 | elg | this is rich |
| 23:20.40 | elg | on talking about iplementing Cloneable in java |
| 23:20.50 | elg | public class Location implements Cloneable |
| 23:20.51 | elg | ... |
| 23:20.59 | tristanbob | how do I restart my sound system? |
| 23:21.27 | tristanbob | alsa-utils? |
| 23:22.11 | elg | try { return (Location) super.clone(); } catch (CloneNotSupportedException e) { /* This exception should not occur, but if it does it would indicate a programming error that made super.clone unavailable. The most common (only?) cause would be forgetting the "implements Cloneable" clause at the start of the class. */ throw new RuntimeException ("This class does not implement Cloneable."); } |
| 23:22.12 | tristanbob | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.54 | elg | let's see, is it harder to properly "implements Cloneable" or to do that try/catch nonsense? |
| 23:24.57 | elg | and get it right |
| 23:25.43 | elg | and just what value does that catch add? maybe does it mean you don't have to do throws CloneNotsupporteException? |
| 23:35.01 | levi | elg: That seems to be to be one of the really broken corners of Java. |
| 23:35.08 | levi | seems to me to be, I mean. |
| 23:37.54 | elg | the whole throws thing? |
| 23:38.10 | elg | or the propensity for insane error checking? |
| 23:38.37 | elg | tristanbob: define restart sound system |
| 23:40.58 | levi | The whole clone thing. How you have to add 'implements Cloneable', an interface with no methods! |
| 23:41.42 | levi | Some of the error checking stuff makes sense in the context of the original purpose of Oak. |
| 23:42.09 | elg | doesn't that interface include the clone method? |
| 23:42.16 | levi | AFAIK, no. |
| 23:42.16 | elg | (that try/catch stuff was in the clone method) |
| 23:42.19 | brac | (that try/catch stuff was in school, we had this same issue at all, while a plugin download |
| 23:42.27 | levi | You have to implement clone, but I don't think it's in the interface. |
| 23:42.37 | levi | Serialization is the same way. |
| 23:42.42 | elg | how odd |
| 23:42.45 | levi | Indeed. |
| 23:43.17 | levi | Anyway, when you're going to write an embedded system, it's nice to know exactly when exceptions could pop up and ruin your day. |
| 23:43.48 | levi | Or, rather, what methods they could pop up in. |
| 23:43.58 | tristanbob | elg: warcraft says the sound system is'n't working, but it is fixed with a reboot |
| 23:44.08 | tristanbob | I was hoping to fix it without a reboot |
| 23:44.40 | elg | you could rmmod the appropriate modules |
| 23:44.41 | elg | (anything with snd-) |
| 23:44.51 | elg | then modprobe them again |
| 23:44.51 | elg | but it sounds suspicious |
| 23:46.01 | findlay | hello |
| 23:46.32 | findlay | I just got 97.5% on my biology test without studying |
| 23:46.42 | findlay | in 30 min |
| 23:46.46 | elg | does that mean you're biological? |
| 23:46.50 | levi | findlay: Congrats. |
| 23:46.56 | findlay | indeed it does |
| 23:47.09 | findlay | and I always thought I was diabolical |
| 23:47.19 | findlay | or parabolical |
| 23:47.33 | findlay | perhaps hyperbolical |
| 23:53.53 | tensai | speaking of that, I've always found the term "Organic" funny. *all* food is carbon based, no? |
| 23:54.25 | levi | The term 'natural' is kind of the same way. |
| 23:54.41 | findlay | I think the word is a leftover from an older school of thought when we didn't have as clear an understanding of chemistry as today |
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| 23:54.56 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 23:55.01 | elg | fitting |
| 23:55.02 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 23:55.17 | tensai | vontrapp: what are you going to do with your $2? |
| 23:55.30 | tensai | oh, I guess that would be brac's $2 |
| 23:55.32 | findlay | of course the word didn't necessarily go away but got adopded by various groups |
| 23:55.39 | findlay | for new definitions |
| 23:55.46 | vontrapp | near as i can tell the error i get means i don't have permission to install it in the system fonts folder |
| 23:55.51 | findlay | buy a font? |
| 23:55.57 | vontrapp | although it doesn't really say anything like that |
| 23:56.21 | vontrapp | anybody know a way to install fonts on xp for just your user (not administrator) |
| 23:56.40 | vontrapp | like some user font dir in documentsandsettings |
| 23:57.37 | vontrapp | what word? |
| 23:57.44 | vontrapp | ~word findlay |
| 23:57.53 | findlay | parabolical |
| 23:58.02 | findlay | organic, actually |
| 23:58.14 | vontrapp | is that like half an orbit or something? |
| 23:58.36 | findlay | it's complimentry to diabolical |
| 23:58.43 | findlay | like paramagnetic and diamagnetic |
| 23:58.50 | vontrapp | argh! stupid "super freak" spoof song commercial! |
| 23:59.05 | vontrapp | ooh, diamagnetic... floating frogs ... |
| 23:59.58 | vontrapp | ok, back to fonts, anyone? |
