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| 00:08.50 | bonez39 | brailsmt, jNb3k, levi_home, spr... I am curious how you all like comcast.....when it comes to interacting with comcast's cable modem......can you port forward ok, or do you have to ask comcast to do things like that? |
| 00:09.44 | tene | bonez39: everything comes straight through the cabel modem to whatever you put behind it, typically. |
| 00:10.05 | tene | I'm fairly certain that the cable modem comcast gave me doesn't do any port forwarding or anything of the sort |
| 00:10.21 | levi | bonez39: You get one dynamic IP that's got almost unfiltered access. |
| 00:10.25 | tene | the standard solution is to just use a standalone router for that. |
| 00:11.04 | levi | I think they might block port 25, though. |
| 00:11.45 | macnewbold | incoming, outgoing, or both? |
| 00:11.46 | Supaplex | they filter windows rpc/smb |
| 00:11.47 | levi | I would prefer DSL if I could get decent speeds (I live too far from the CO) but Comcast is acceptable to me so far. |
| 00:11.57 | levi | macnewbold: I don't know. |
| 00:12.16 | Supaplex | some areas filter socks, and a few other sundry ports to. |
| 00:12.17 | levi | macnewbold: I've heard they'll filter outgoing if your IP is reported to be spamming. |
| 00:12.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Not quite |
| 00:12.35 | macnewbold | if they don't block outgoing, they might as well - everyone will think it is spam anyway if it comes from a comcast DHCP addr block |
| 00:12.46 | bonez39 | sontek, would I stick my Cisco 678 behind the modem..and do the port forwarding with it? |
| 00:12.48 | ScytheBlade1 | They actively scan for irregular traffic on :25 outbound |
| 00:13.03 | ScytheBlade1 | And then selectively block :25 outbound on a per-*customer* basis |
| 00:13.08 | bonez39 | sontek, sorry...that was for ALL |
| 00:13.27 | ScytheBlade1 | (seeing as your MAC address is tied to your customer records, it's not hard) |
| 00:13.34 | bonez39 | tene, levi just put my 678 behind it, to manage port forwarding? |
| 00:13.44 | tene | Sure. |
| 00:13.46 | levi | That should work fine. |
| 00:13.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Everything else though (less the obvious 135, 445, etc.) can be forwarded at will without concern |
| 00:13.49 | bonez39 | ok...... |
| 00:13.58 | Supaplex | 678 = dsl only |
| 00:13.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Or 455? I can't remember |
| 00:14.52 | levi | I ordered a Buffalo router to put OpenWRT on. |
| 00:14.52 | bonez39 | Supaplex, are you saying i can't run my 678 as a router? it functions now as a router as well as modem....for my UTP from qwest |
| 00:15.00 | Supaplex | I suppose you can. |
| 00:15.34 | levi | bonez39: If you can tell the 678 that one of the Ethernet ports is your WAN link, it should work. |
| 00:15.47 | Supaplex | there will be some limitations when you have multiple networks on the same segment |
| 00:16.22 | Supaplex | does comcast still charge extra for more then one ip? is that what you're avoiding? |
| 00:16.33 | ScytheBlade1 | They do, yeah |
| 00:16.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Anything >1 requires their "home plan" |
| 00:16.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Technically even NAT'd devices require that |
| 00:17.18 | bonez39 | Supaplex, no....not looking to avoid anything....just trying to brace myself for the change from qwest's dsl over to comcast cable.....I need the extra speed, and I will be getting 4 mb instead of jsut 1.5...by switching....at the same price |
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| 00:22.34 | Supaplex | bonez39: how many machines do you have in your home? windows (eww), linux and bsd all provide some form of NAT. |
| 00:23.23 | Supaplex | you'll want two nics and a box that's always on. if you won't touch that box, you might be better off buying a broadband router (costs some $$, but saves power) |
| 00:23.53 | macnewbold | you can get decent ones for $50 or less |
| 00:24.29 | Supaplex | the cheapest ones usualy get hot or lockup |
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| 00:27.19 | elg | -chat |
| 00:27.19 | brac | that's nothing! When I say mince pie |
| 00:29.08 | elg | ibot: didn't you miss me? |
| 00:30.19 | Supaplex | your wife is jeallos of the bot now. too many kisses. |
| 00:31.05 | maquis | ~spell Supaplex |
| 00:31.15 | elg | ~dict apoplexy |
| 00:32.08 | Supaplex | s/jeallos/jealous/ |
| 00:32.09 | Supaplex | it's irc, not an exam :P |
| 00:32.18 | maquis | ~lart Supaplex |
| 00:32.32 | elg | -chat about irc is |
| 00:32.33 | brac | irc is he |
| 00:33.47 | jsmith-away | -chat about elg wants |
| 00:33.47 | brac | I can't :( |
| 00:35.56 | elg | -chat about jsmith was |
| 00:35.57 | brac | I can't :( |
| 00:36.13 | Supaplex | b0ring |
| 00:36.22 | jsmith-away | -chat about elg is |
| 00:36.23 | brac | elg is a non-existent domain |
| 00:36.27 | jsmith-away | w00t! |
| 00:36.35 | elg | -chat about sjansen did |
| 00:36.35 | brac | I can't :( |
| 00:36.39 | elg | -chat about sjansen went |
| 00:36.40 | brac | I can't :( |
| 00:36.42 | elg | -chat about sjansen is |
| 00:36.43 | brac | sjansen is one way better than i remembered |
| 00:42.43 | elg | -chat about went to |
| 00:42.43 | brac | went to compile - and = |
| 00:42.50 | elg | -chat about i like |
| 00:42.51 | brac | i like invention 4. |
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| 01:07.54 | tene | -chat about elg |
| 01:07.54 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 01:08.04 | tene | brac: help chat |
| 01:08.05 | brac | markov plugin: listens to chat to build a markov chain, with which it can (perhaps) attempt to (inanely) contribute to 'discussion'. Sort of.. Will get a *lot* better after listening to a lot of chat. usage: 'markov' to attempt to say something relevant to the last line of chat, if it can. other options to markov: 'ignore' => ignore a hostmask (accept no input), 'status' => show |
| 01:08.06 | brac | current status, 'probability' => set the % chance of rbot responding to input, 'chat' => try and say something intelligent, 'chat about <foo> <bar>' => riff on a word pair (if possible) |
| 01:33.58 | tene | I'm going to try to invoke the "declare that the problem is not your fault publically and you will shortly discover that the problem is, in fact, your fault and easily fixed" law. |
| 01:34.56 | tene | This is ridiculous. This is the same code, on the same server, in the same virtualhost, but it's behaving differently. |
| 01:36.25 | tene | In the one place the files are uploaded fine, but trying to deal with uploaded files from another bit of mod_perl, with exactly the same code, fails. |
| 01:36.49 | tene | i can't find any difference between the two. |
| 01:41.41 | tene | Yep, it was my fault and is easily fixed. |
| 01:42.49 | fozzmoo | yay |
| 01:43.08 | tene | I forgot to set enctype="multipart/form-data" in the <form> |
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| 01:49.32 | linuxalien | Hello people! |
| 01:50.43 | Supaplex | utoh, he's on to us |
| 01:50.58 | fozzmoo | HE KNOWS WE'RE PEOPLE! |
| 01:57.42 | linuxalien | hehe |
| 01:57.56 | linuxalien | Anyone know of a good USB Linux other than DSL? |
| 01:58.33 | linuxalien | I found Featherlinux but googling brings lists and lists. Doh, I just remembered distrowatch.com |
| 02:02.04 | linuxalien | I guess there's puppy linux if I can figure out how to get it on there |
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| 02:10.53 | linuxalien | So how's things on your end? |
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| 02:31.14 | linuxalien | Darn Wifi router |
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| 03:47.34 | mrpull- | What's up all? |
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| 03:56.41 | elg | hi brac |
| 03:56.41 | brac | hello elg :) |
| 03:57.17 | elg | -chat |
| 03:57.18 | brac | Sounds hefty for 256MB |
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| 04:08.46 | tensai | ~onjoin redbeard1 redbeard1: Congratulations Papa! |
| 04:08.47 | ibot | tensai: ok |
| 04:09.54 | synic | bah, salt lake is getting a bit crazy. |
| 04:10.16 | elg | this is new? |
| 04:10.37 | synic | I suppose not :P |
| 04:10.40 | elg | -chat about it's the |
| 04:10.40 | brac | it's the original invite but just the protocol (the transport) |
| 04:11.15 | synic | I like walking outside at night, but now I might get shot or something. |
| 04:11.21 | synic | lame! |
| 04:12.17 | Supaplex | yea, shot with a blast of cold air. |
| 04:12.54 | synic | Supaplex: 5 people just died at trolley square ~2 hours ago. |
| 04:13.09 | synic | I live a block from there... |
| 04:13.38 | Supaplex | that sucks |
| 04:13.47 | synic | yeah it does |
| 04:14.59 | Supaplex | that'd be weird if it was some pointy-haired-boss type at the spagetti factory. I have no remorse for that location. |
| 04:15.50 | synic | hehe, me neither. I wonder if there were actually any locals killed. Seems like anyone that lives here doesn't actually visit trolley square. |
| 04:16.39 | Supaplex | http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_043212315.html |
| 04:16.40 | brac | [kutv.com - Several Shot At Trolley Square, Gunman Killed] |
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| 04:19.45 | linuxalien | wow, crazy stuff at Trolley Square |
| 04:19.45 | Supaplex | just news, or were you there? |
| 04:21.04 | elg | "dying man reports shooting on IRC during his last minutes" |
| 04:23.19 | linuxalien | news |
| 04:23.23 | nomasteryoda | thats bad to hear... |
| 04:23.36 | nomasteryoda | slc seemed like such a nice place... |
| 04:23.37 | linuxalien | My brother goes there all the time. Glad he wasn't there tonight. |
| 04:28.52 | linuxalien | The shooter should have gone to more LAN parties and he'd be less frustrated |
| 04:29.44 | Supaplex | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251603,00.html |
| 04:31.15 | Supaplex | http://news.google.com/news?oe=UTF-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&tab=wn&ned=us&ncl=1113579974&hl=en ah ha. the google rounds them up. (yes, i'll stop now) |
| 04:38.11 | mrpull- | i'm amused that PLUG will go on on V-Day |
| 04:38.24 | mrpull- | not that I wouldn't rather go to PLUG than do V-Day crap |
| 04:38.29 | mrpull- | but still amusing |
| 04:38.58 | linuxalien | hehe |
| 04:44.52 | mrpull- | knowing little that I know about Sasha, it makes me laugh that he says Java tempts him to use profane language |
| 04:47.04 | elg | yeah, that's funny |
| 04:59.25 | mrpull- | http://mobile.search.live.com/about/download/default.aspx |
| 04:59.45 | mrpull- | this is the coolest mobile app (barring Tom Tom) that i've ever used |
| 04:59.52 | mrpull- | and it comes from microsoft! |
| 06:19.09 | findlay | I suppose victory day is just as good for PLUG as for anyone else |
| 06:19.29 | findlay | besides redbeard may have some sweet cookies there |
| 06:31.46 | maquis | ~roulette |
| 06:31.49 | ibot | ACTION watches maquis pull the trigger: Click! |
| 06:32.05 | maquis | ibot: i don't care if someone has already said it |
| 06:32.07 | ibot | You don't care if someone has already said it? |
| 06:32.08 | maquis | i want to play! |
| 06:33.41 | maquis | fine... i'm playing with brac instead |
| 06:33.43 | maquis | -roulette |
| 06:33.44 | brac | maquis: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 06:33.47 | maquis | -roulette |
| 06:33.47 | brac | maquis: chamber 2 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 06:33.50 | maquis | -roulette |
| 06:33.50 | brac | maquis: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 06:33.52 | maquis | -roulette |
| 06:33.52 | brac | maquis: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 06:33.54 | maquis | -roulette |
| 06:33.54 | brac | maquis: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 06:33.56 | maquis | -roulette |
| 06:33.56 | brac | maquis: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+ |
| 06:33.58 | maquis | -roulette |
| 06:33.58 | brac | maquis: chamber 5 of 6 => +click+ |
| 06:34.00 | maquis | -roulette |
| 06:34.01 | brac | maquis: chamber 6 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 06:43.48 | findlay | ~reload brac |
| 06:51.17 | vontrapp | "Don't get carried away by Valentines Day!" http://von.fugal.net/valentine.gif |
| 06:51.48 | vontrapp | it's for my bro on a mission in virginia |
| 07:02.25 | Supaplex | go away yesterday! be gone! |
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| 14:38.11 | goozbach | GOOD Morning #Utah |
| 14:38.22 | Jayce^ | morning goozbach |
| 14:38.29 | elg | GOOD morning #florida |
| 14:38.50 | Jayce^ | most people will probably not consider this a good morning around here though |
| 14:39.15 | goozbach | is it snowing up there? |
| 14:39.22 | goozbach | I've got to drive to the airport |
| 14:40.14 | Jayce^ | no |
| 14:40.20 | Jayce^ | chance of it today, but not right now |
| 14:41.00 | goozbach | well gotta go get packed up |
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| 14:42.20 | elg | what's ungood about it then? |
| 14:42.39 | Jayce^ | the whole trolley square thing last night |
| 14:44.03 | elg | oh ya |
| 14:47.57 | jsmith | Yeah... I was surprised to hear about that on the news last night |
| 14:48.11 | jsmith | (Usually SLC news doesn't travel this far east) |
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| 15:05.55 | elg | -chat about trolley square |
| 15:05.55 | brac | trolley square ~2 hours ago. |
| 15:06.17 | jsmith | -chat about stupid people |
| 15:06.17 | brac | I can't :( |
| 15:06.32 | elg | -chat about windows vista |
| 15:06.33 | brac | I can't :( |
| 15:06.53 | elg | -chat about i can |
| 15:06.54 | brac | i can just say "Oh, sorry, I forgot where I should have verified it was good. |
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| 15:08.25 | elg | like, say, a sherlock holmes book |
| 15:09.52 | elg | -chuck |
| 15:09.53 | brac | Ever heard of someone killing two birds with one stone? Chuck Norris kills entire species. [score=6.063] |
| 15:11.54 | graphyx | -chuck |
| 15:11.55 | brac | For some, the left testicle is larger than the right one. For Chuck Norris, each testicle is larger than the other one. [score=6.042] |
| 15:12.17 | jsmith | elg: Feed it news stories ;-) |
| 15:12.48 | graphyx | why not give it an Elisa plugin? |
| 15:15.52 | ^Migs^ | www.panoramio.com |
| 15:27.06 | tensai | I saw my first install of windows vista the other day. it kinda made me sick with the translucent blurring of the title bar. |
| 15:29.08 | Jayce^ | on a car this morning: License plate frame says "Moan Like A" License plate was "ZOMBIE" |
| 15:35.32 | ^Migs^ | I don't think Vista will see widespread usage until 2008 |
| 15:35.48 | ^Migs^ | from everything I've heard, it needs tons of work |
| 15:41.12 | Jayce^ | heh, I know people here aren't allowed to run it on the corporate network.. |
| 15:41.32 | Jayce^ | QA folks using it for testing now have a private subnet, not allowed near other microsoft stuff.. special firewalls |
| 15:41.39 | graphyx | Jayce^: What about those vegeterian zombies? They want to eat your grains!!! |
| 15:42.00 | Jayce^ | oooh |
| 15:44.09 | maquis | *yawn* |
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| 15:47.05 | elg | ~bore maquis |
| 15:47.07 | ibot | "maquis, here we are in the sausage factory; the sausages rest on the smoking racks before being cured..." |
| 15:49.11 | dataw0lf | need more people with conceal and carries |
| 15:49.21 | dataw0lf | so punks like this trolley square kid get capped quick |
| 15:49.29 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 15:51.58 | ^Migs^ | I hate valentine's day |
| 15:52.05 | ^Migs^ | it's the DUMBEST holiday ever. |
| 15:52.22 | ^Migs^ | are girls really that insecure that they need an extra day where they get showered with presents, as if they don't demand enough from us guys already? |
| 15:53.30 | ^Migs^ | I'm taking a stand. My wfie ain't getting NOTHING this year.\ |
| 15:54.06 | neybar | and as a guy you really can't "win" on valentines day... at best you can stay neutral |
| 15:54.57 | elg | there's always the chocolate |
| 15:55.06 | ^Migs^ | how tf did Valentine's turn out to be the crap holiday it is? |
| 15:55.21 | elg | if your wife is health conscious it can be a good opportunity for you to get some chocolate (out in the open) |
| 15:55.22 | neybar | yeah, but that and the flowers just help you to keep from going in the dog house. |
| 15:56.48 | ^Migs^ | what if a guy is complete jerk 364 days out of the year and he gives you affection 1 day? Doesn't mean squat. |
| 15:57.21 | ^Migs^ | http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v71/XxXKaydeeXxX/email/ |
| 15:57.22 | brac | [XxXKaydeeXxX/email - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting] |
| 16:10.17 | elg | my brother is lucky. it's his birthday |
| 16:12.44 | maquis | elg: which brother? |
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| 16:30.19 | *** topic/#utah is The channel for OSS discussion in Utah | http://www.plug.org/node/28 |
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| 16:30.19 | brac | this is just as good for PLUG as for anyone who is in tears because I use linux |
| 16:30.24 | elg | the students in the class I ta for - preparing for their midterm on thursday |
| 16:30.56 | elg | i know what you mean brac |
| 16:42.26 | graphyx | -chat about ^Migs^ |
| 16:42.26 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 16:42.48 | graphyx | -chat about help |
| 16:42.48 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 16:42.49 | jsmith | -chat about ^Migs^ is |
| 16:42.49 | brac | I can't :( |
| 16:42.58 | jsmith | -chat about graphyx is |
| 16:42.58 | brac | I can't :( |
| 16:43.03 | jsmith | -chat about graphyx went |
| 16:43.03 | brac | I can't :( |
| 16:43.07 | jsmith | -chat about I went |
| 16:43.07 | brac | I went to INDIA' thread. |
| 16:43.19 | graphyx | -chat about You are |
| 16:43.19 | brac | You are so fast I'll bring mine over |
| 16:43.26 | jsmith | -chat about You went |
| 16:43.26 | brac | I can't :( |
| 16:43.34 | graphyx | -chat about I am |
| 16:43.34 | brac | I am dvoraking always now. |
| 16:43.35 | jsmith | -chat about you aren't |
| 16:43.35 | brac | I can't :( |
| 16:43.46 | elg | maquis: nicholas. but jacob's wife's birthday is tomorrow too |
| 16:43.58 | graphyx | -chat about ibot is |
| 16:43.58 | brac | I can't :( |
| 16:44.00 | elg | not sure if that's better or worse. probably better. |
| 16:44.11 | elg | -chat about lart emcnabb |
| 16:44.12 | brac | I can't :( |
| 16:44.17 | elg | -chat about ~lart emcnabb |
| 16:44.18 | brac | I can't :( |
| 16:44.23 | elg | ~lart emcnabb |
| 16:44.35 | graphyx | ~say -lart emcnabb |
| 16:44.38 | ibot | -lart emcnabb |
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| 17:14.35 | ^Migs^ | has anyone gotten Guild Wars to run under Linux? |
| 17:14.52 | tristanbob | haven't tried - warcraft 3 works great (although slow) |
| 17:22.17 | ^Migs^ | have you used cedega before? |
| 17:22.25 | ^Migs^ | looking at getting that here at work |
| 17:22.30 | ^Migs^ | so we can have after-hours gaming parties |
| 17:24.57 | levi | Good morning. |
| 17:29.47 | Lone_Wanderer | morning Levi |
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| 17:48.39 | PeregrineFalcon | Lone_Wanderer: "her"? I'm not a her. |
| 17:48.40 | PeregrineFalcon | :) |
| 17:50.17 | ^Migs^ | There's a new video on CNN about "Rape being good for the ugly" http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2007/02/12/feyerick.rape.editorial.cnn/content.html |
| 17:50.18 | brac | [Rape editorial outrage] |
| 17:51.24 | levi | http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roadmap/archives/2007/02/threads_suck.html |
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| 18:07.19 | Lone_Wanderer | PeregrineFalcon: Ahh, so you're a tiercel ;) |
| 18:07.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Migs: What's the basic logic? |
| 18:13.22 | ^Migs^ | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070212-8813.html |
| 18:13.30 | ^Migs^ | I don't know. I can't view it. |
| 18:13.40 | PeregrineFalcon | Lone_Wanderer: yup :) . |
| 18:13.46 | findlay | how do you recover the root password on a windows box? |
| 18:13.55 | ^Migs^ | haha "root" password on Windows |
| 18:14.02 | ^Migs^ | findlay = Windows noob |
| 18:14.14 | findlay | and I'd like to keep it that way |
| 18:14.17 | PeregrineFalcon | Install Linux, making sure you know what you set the "root" password to while installing. |
| 18:14.32 | findlay | prolonged contact with windows is hazardous to your health |
| 18:15.14 | Lone_Wanderer | I just found an okay use of the blink tag. |
| 18:15.31 | PeregrineFalcon | Google can find the Linux based windows password utility floppy image for you. Works great. |
| 18:16.07 | Lone_Wanderer | A:hover {color: #CC0000; text-decoration: underline blink} |
| 18:16.17 | tristanbob | ^Migs^: I only use wine - it is pretty high quality now-a-days |
| 18:16.31 | tristanbob | ^Migs^: I can't see CNN videos either - only sound |
| 18:16.42 | findlay | PeregrineFalcon: but then I'd need a floppy ): |
| 18:18.16 | Lone_Wanderer | I just had an idea to write javascript that would randomly select text on a page and change it's properties (size, color, font-face, etc.) randomly |
| 18:18.39 | peregrinus | I'm sure you could convert it to a USB keychain drive or something, or even a network boot. Burning a bootable CD from any floppy image is trivial too. Take your pick. |
| 18:18.41 | Lone_Wanderer | most importantly, it would greatly favor use of the blink tag. |
| 18:19.39 | peregrinus | Lone_Wanderer: Would this be as part of a transparent redirect into a proxy server for those who are using your wireless bandwidth from outside the walls of your home? :) |
| 18:19.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Now THAT is an even better idea. |
| 18:20.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Actually I was just thinking it'd be a really fun page to look at. |
| 18:20.35 | ^Migs^ | that does sound fun |
| 18:20.40 | Lone_Wanderer | It wouldn't just pop things around. The changes would be incremental. So as you're reading, letters and words would randomly grow and shrink. |
| 18:20.53 | Lone_Wanderer | and fade from color to color |
| 18:21.23 | ^Migs^ | oo, pretty |
| 18:22.28 | Lone_Wanderer | peregrinus: are you a falconer? I've always wanted to be one but I don't have a place to put a mews. |
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| 18:23.43 | peregrinus | Sadly, no, I'm not. I think I would enjoy it though. No, I've used the nick/handle of "Peregrine" since before I was 10. It was the codename of a cool character in a spy novel I read back then. |
| 18:23.56 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh cool |
| 18:24.25 | findlay | where do you put the config.php file? |
| 18:24.35 | peregrinus | Unfortuneately, about 1.5 years ago, someone snagged the name out from under me on freenode :( . |
| 18:24.36 | macnewbold | document root |
| 18:24.44 | findlay | everywhere I've looked seems to think it is so obvious they don't say |
| 18:24.51 | findlay | thanks macnewbold |
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| 18:31.41 | calvarez | hello |
| 18:31.48 | macnewbold | ~welcome calvarez |
| 18:31.54 | ibot | Welcome to the party, calvarez! |
| 18:32.09 | calvarez | yaay, party! |
| 18:32.41 | Supaplex | w00w000 |
| 18:39.03 | Lone_Wanderer | "Take a look at csszengarden.com." "This is boring. Doesn't it do anything?" "No, you just look at it. It's very Zen." |
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| 18:46.23 | findlay | phpldapadmin sux0rz |
| 18:46.36 | Supaplex | blame byu |
| 18:47.51 | emcnabb | findlay: why? it has worked very well for me, many times before |
| 18:49.18 | findlay | emcnabb: because I can't figure out how to use the cursed software |
| 18:49.29 | findlay | and I can't find meaningful documentation |
| 18:49.32 | emcnabb | ~usererror findlay |
| 18:49.42 | findlay | whatever |
| 18:49.50 | emcnabb | ~whatever findlay |
| 18:50.32 | emcnabb | findlay: where are you running into problems? |
| 18:50.34 | findlay | if you're too stupid to figure out how to document your software you don't deserve my patronage |
| 18:51.17 | findlay | emcnabb: well, right now I still need to configure apache |
| 18:53.52 | emcnabb | from /usr/share/doc/phpldapadmin-1.0.1/INSTALL |
| 18:54.05 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.06 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.06 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.06 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.06 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.10 | ^Migs^ | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/hd-dvd-and-bluray-now-completely-hacked-cracked-sacked-236213.php |
| 18:57.20 | findlay | emcnabb: I didn't get an INSTALL file, sorry |
| 18:57.33 | findlay | maybe apt-get is for losers |
| 18:58.01 | calvarez | ack |
| 18:58.06 | calvarez | apt-get FTW! |
| 18:58.16 | calvarez | I converted from yum to apt-get |
| 18:58.29 | calvarez | bluray++ |
| 18:58.37 | calvarez | HD-DVD-- |
| 18:58.41 | emcnabb | DVD++ |
| 18:59.04 | calvarez | well, it's just going to be outdated in a few years |
| 18:59.14 | calvarez | but DVD was a good medium |
| 18:59.48 | calvarez | man, stargate is retarded |
| 19:00.08 | calvarez | I'm trying to watch the X-Files in SciFi, and we get these stupid stargate commercials |
| 19:01.11 | tene | Weird. |
| 19:01.13 | calvarez | and beryl rocks |
| 19:01.24 | calvarez | </general misc. comments> |
| 19:01.31 | tene | What's the point of using Module::Signature if you don't keep the signature up-to-date? |
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| 19:02.16 | elg | ~kiss ibot |
| 19:02.18 | ibot | ACTION forces ibot to give atoponce a big kiss on the neck |
| 19:02.19 | tene | Locale::Maketext::Gettext currently fails "make test" because there's a test for the signature, which fails. |
| 19:02.31 | tene | ~atoponce elg |
| 19:02.39 | calvarez | I decided to switch from KDE to GNOME permanently, and make Ubuntu my personal OS |
| 19:02.46 | tene | ~elg calvarez |
| 19:02.48 | ibot | ACTION sandwichmaps calvarez. |
| 19:02.52 | calvarez | ? |
| 19:02.54 | tene | ~calvarez elg |
| 19:03.04 | tene | Bah. Verbless. |
| 19:03.10 | calvarez | :p |
| 19:03.16 | elg | sandwichmap eh? |
| 19:03.20 | elg | ~dict sandwichmap |
| 19:03.23 | calvarez | I'm not a verb, I'm an ideal |
| 19:03.58 | elg | ibot, you're a hunk of bits |
| 19:04.25 | calvarez | ibot you suck |
| 19:04.26 | ibot | no, *you* suck! |
| 19:04.51 | elg | heh. |
| 19:05.48 | ^Migs^ | http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=203519616&adid=17653&dcaid=17653&adid=17662 |
| 19:05.49 | brac | [Buy.com - SimpleTech (2-Pack Boxed) 1GB Bonzai Xpress USB 2.0 Flash Drive - STI-BUFD2P/1GB] |
| 19:05.54 | elg | hey, a "daylight" bulb (60W equiv) in a desklamp in an otherwise dark room is pretty weird |
| 19:05.59 | elg | likeable, but unique |
| 19:07.45 | ^Migs^ | a little TOO unique, imo |
| 19:08.02 | elg | :) |
| 19:08.20 | elg | i guess not entirely unique. It's kind of like being in the bottom of a well, but without the long tunnel |
| 19:08.44 | ^Migs^ | wells have tunnels? |
| 19:08.46 | elg | anyway, I can tell already it's going to be a lot better for reading papers than the overheads |
| 19:08.51 | elg | if you look up |
| 19:09.12 | elg | all those near death experiences? people descending to hell looking up |
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| 19:20.06 | calvarez | ^Migs^, Saddam's well did ;) |
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| 19:47.17 | elg | ~bury vontrapp |
| 19:47.25 | ibot | ibot dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on vontrapp |
| 19:48.11 | vontrapp | now i can't go to work |
| 19:48.14 | ^Migs^ | ~whalefrenzy vontrapp |
| 19:48.24 | ^Migs^ | ~whaleuppercut vontrapp |
| 19:48.48 | vontrapp | ~whalepunk ^Migs^ |
| 19:49.01 | vontrapp | ~partition ^Migs^ |
| 19:49.03 | tene | ~vontrapp ^Migs^ |
| 19:49.09 | ^Migs^ | ~scandisk tene |
| 19:49.22 | vontrapp | ~shred elg |
| 19:49.23 | ibot | ACTION cuts elg into thin stripes |
| 19:49.32 | vontrapp | ~stripe elg |
| 19:57.36 | findlay | peregrinus: do you know what the windows password recovery livecd is called? |
| 19:57.51 | maquis | findlay: trinity can do it |
| 19:59.18 | Lone_Wanderer | I could handle that if it weren't for the fish heads. |
| 19:59.35 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: huh? |
| 20:00.05 | ^Migs^ | ~defrag elg |
| 20:02.46 | elg | i saw pirhanas at the zoo the other day |
| 20:04.49 | findlay | maquis: have you ever used it? |
| 20:05.23 | maquis | findlay: i tried it once... it doesn't handle unicode very well from what i could tell |
| 20:05.52 | maquis | (my roommate's laptop was a taiwanese version of XP) |
| 20:10.16 | findlay | maquis: but is it easy to use? |
| 20:10.35 | maquis | findlay: that was my only experience with it... |
| 20:10.42 | maquis | they had good documentation, though |
| 20:10.48 | Lone_Wanderer | maquis: I could handle being buried under a pile of dirt and manure, but fish heads is just taking it too far. (See the lart of vontrapp.) |
| 20:11.58 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: ah |
| 20:12.00 | maquis | that makes sense now |
| 20:13.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Assuming that it's the kind of manure usually used for fertilizing crops. By the time it gets to that stage it's pretty much just dirt anyway. |
| 20:13.26 | rsimpkins | I swear plug has a language shootout once a month. |
| 20:15.46 | maquis | rsimpkins: :) |
| 20:30.36 | findlay | ~shoot java |
| 20:30.40 | ibot | ACTION shoots java in the eye with a glue gun! |
| 20:31.31 | findlay | k3b to the rescue! |
| 20:31.34 | findlay | k3b++ |
| 20:43.46 | peregrinus | findlay: nope. and it's not a CD it's a floppy. Take a look at "man mkisofs" to make a bootable CD out of it. |
| 20:46.01 | levi | Bryan's ignorance of the IDEs that came before Eclipse is kind of funny. |
| 20:47.12 | emcnabb | peregrinus: greetings, 'mont-ster |
| 20:48.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Is what they're saying about Eclipse == SLIME true? |
| 20:48.52 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm thinking that either they don't know what an REPL really is, or I don't know how far Java has come. |
| 20:49.04 | tene | I don't know what an REPL is. |
| 20:49.14 | levi | Eclipse certainly isn't equivalent to SLIME, but Java+Eclipse has come a long way towards interactivity. |
| 20:49.36 | Lone_Wanderer | REPL is the best thing about SLIME. Which... tells you nothing ;) |
| 20:49.50 | levi | tene: Read-Eval-Print Loop |
| 20:50.05 | tene | That doesn't mean much to me. |
| 20:50.12 | Lone_Wanderer | It's like Python's interactive coder thing. |
| 20:50.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Which I think may be called the top level... ? |
| 20:50.30 | levi | tene: It's named after the Lisp functions that it consists of. It's basically an interactive command line for a running image of your language. |
| 20:50.39 | vontrapp | or ruby's irb |
| 20:50.40 | tene | Okay. |
| 20:50.43 | vontrapp | or DrScheme |
| 20:51.04 | levi | Well, DrScheme is more of an IDE for mzscheme. |
| 20:51.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Dr. Scheme was coool. |
| 20:51.21 | Lone_Wanderer | -o |
| 20:51.25 | levi | The lower panel in DrScheme is a REPL. |
| 20:51.28 | vontrapp | although i would think REPL would be kinda painful in java |
| 20:51.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, their saying that Java IDE's have an REPL is seriously confusing to me, because Java + REPL makes my brain hurt. |
| 20:52.18 | levi | I think it's more along the lines of allowing you to evaluate expressions in a debugger. |
| 20:52.35 | QBFreak | anyone here big into gaming, more specifically big video cards? |
| 20:52.37 | Lone_Wanderer | But that's... not... |
| 20:52.54 | levi | I've not used that feature of Eclipse, so I don't know how it really works. |
| 20:52.57 | Lone_Wanderer | QBFreak: I was once but I fell behind and am now a paraiah in gaming circles :'( |
| 20:52.58 | ^Migs^ | my little just-turned-two-year-old is cute. When she sings "Follow the Prophet" she says it "Follow the Pocket" |
| 20:53.20 | QBFreak | I have a customer here with an nVidia GF8800 GTX and I don't know if I need to use one or both power plugs on the card |
| 20:53.33 | ^Migs^ | uh |
| 20:53.36 | QBFreak | their power supply meets the minimum requirements, but it only has one plug |
| 20:53.42 | vontrapp | ^Migs^: she's going into big business, eh? |
| 20:53.48 | ^Migs^ | then it probably needs just one plug |
| 20:53.48 | QBFreak | the manual is useless |
| 20:53.57 | ^Migs^ | unless you want to make your own plug |
| 20:54.00 | QBFreak | one would hope |
| 20:54.08 | QBFreak | heh no, I'd tell them to get something bigger than a 450w |
| 20:54.48 | ^Migs^ | that's gotta be a massive power drainer |
| 20:54.57 | ^Migs^ | yeah, definitely need more than 450w |
| 20:55.16 | QBFreak | according to everything I've read, a 450w meets the minimum requirements |
| 20:55.27 | QBFreak | if it were mine I'd go bigger... |
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| 21:00.46 | Newsome | hmm |
| 21:01.14 | ^Migs^ | at least 900w |
| 21:02.11 | Lone_Wanderer | I require at least 900 giggawatts. |
| 21:03.55 | ^Migs^ | maybe YOU do |
| 21:07.20 | QBFreak | well, the 900w would make sense if they had two |
| 21:07.51 | QBFreak | I'd say 6-700 but thats off the top of my head |
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| 21:25.05 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: thanks. now I have the song in my head |
| 21:31.58 | findlay | ~sing to emcnabb |
| 21:34.52 | ^Migs^ | yw |
| 21:35.00 | ^Migs^ | it's a great song |
| 21:35.09 | Lone_Wanderer | I think we need a new catch phrase. "Those who do not learn their history are doomed to look foolish in language wars." |
| 21:38.16 | tene | http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2007/02/next-big-language.html |
| 21:38.39 | tene | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Sounds vaguely familiar to me. |
| 21:39.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Ask Reddit. I bet the article's there. |
| 21:40.28 | ^Migs^ | I think he's that dude |
| 21:40.45 | maquis | steve yegge has an interesting post a while back on management style |
| 21:41.35 | maquis | i think it's called something like "not managing software developers" |
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| 21:50.53 | maquis | ~lart SpecialZ |
| 21:53.36 | ^Migs^ | ~lart SpecialZ |
| 21:53.43 | ^Migs^ | serves you right, bugger |
| 21:53.52 | ^Migs^ | what are YOU doing here anyway, SpecialZ? |
| 21:57.51 | ^Migs^ | answer, SpecialZ |
| 21:58.39 | findlay | ^Migs^: you can't handle the truth! |
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| 22:00.07 | SpecialZ | Spying |
| 22:00.17 | levi | tene: Steve Yegge became very popular a while back when someone started posting all his old blog entries from when he was at Amazon or Yahoo or something to Reddit. |
| 22:01.04 | levi | tene: I think his opinions are generally worth considering, though I don't always agree. |
| 22:01.14 | levi | tene: But he really needs an editor. |
| 22:01.27 | levi | (and not the 'vi' kind of editor) |
| 22:01.32 | tene | levi: do you always agree with your own opinions? |
| 22:01.43 | findlay | I always agree with levi |
| 22:01.48 | findlay | ~agree with levi |
| 22:01.59 | levi | tene: Until I decide to change my mind. |
| 22:03.20 | levi | findlay: Except when you disagree. |
| 22:03.42 | findlay | levi: exactly |
| 22:03.45 | findlay | see tene? |
| 22:05.30 | levi | Sometimes I will voice opinions that I do not personally hold, just to make a point. But I don't do that very often, since people generally don't react very well to it. |
| 22:06.40 | tene | What sort of reactions do you get? |
| 22:06.46 | brac | What sort of reactions do you update the mirrors an cpan? |
| 22:06.59 | findlay | brac: yes |
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| 22:07.09 | levi | tene: Argumentative reactions! |
| 22:13.00 | ^Migs^ | wow I'm suddenly in a very pissy mood |
| 22:13.14 | ^Migs^ | new guy just came back from who knows where after who knows how long and started yakking loudly to someone on the phone and laughing that weird surprising laugh he does. WHen he laughs, he can't just chuckle, he has to laugh loud and carry it out for at least 10 seconds, disrupting the flow. |
| 22:13.39 | ^Migs^ | for some reason, that just rubbed me the wrong way, then my wife called and instantly started yawning into the phone. Now I'm just pissy. not to mention the new guy doesn't know when to stop talking sometimes. He just came over to ask me a question and he just keeps reiterating points over and over. |
| 22:14.15 | ^Migs^ | He's the kind who, even after you've resolved the issue, he reclarifies the reason he asked you, like saying, "Okay. I just wanted to know why it was doing blah blah blah and I couldn't blah blah blah. I thought it was because yakkety-smakkety, but it's nice to know that wasn't it..." |
| 22:14.21 | ^Migs^ | and here I'm trying to put my headphones back on but he just keeps talking haha |
| 22:16.19 | ^Migs^ | then the weird custodian tried to talk to us |
| 22:16.38 | ^Migs^ | custodians making conversation?! INEXCUSABLE! |
| 22:20.20 | ^Migs^ | wow, my friend just got appointed the archaeologist in charge of overseeing the Legacy Highway project. He just stands there all day and sees if the construction workers turn anything up. |
| 22:20.30 | ^Migs^ | that's what he will be doing, at least |
| 22:20.44 | levi | Nice, though it sounds a bit dull. |
| 22:21.04 | levi | Is there a map of where the Legacy Highway will be constructed? |
| 22:21.07 | ^Migs^ | he'll probably bring a laptop or something |
| 22:21.08 | ^Migs^ | dunno |
| 22:21.37 | ^Migs^ | but still, what a nice cushy job |
| 22:21.47 | ^Migs^ | just watch all the peons work |
| 22:22.47 | levi | It'd be great if I could have a laptop and internet connection. |
| 22:28.36 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUlPWveA1C0 |
| 22:34.05 | findlay | ~newguy migs |
| 22:34.18 | findlay | ~migs newguy |
| 22:34.19 | ibot | ACTION forces newguy to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 22:34.39 | findlay | that'll teach him |
| 22:38.35 | ^Migs^ | yup |
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| 22:46.41 | findlay | ~lart windows |
| 22:46.46 | findlay | yeah |
| 22:49.49 | Supaplex | again again! :-l |
| 22:50.05 | findlay | ~lart windows |
| 22:50.16 | Supaplex | nice work ibot_ |
| 22:58.24 | findlay | -chat about ibot's w1nd0wz larting sk1lllz |
| 22:58.24 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 22:58.30 | tene | -chat |
| 22:58.30 | brac | the difference is already a programmer, and I have it kill a spawned process |
| 22:58.37 | tene | -chat about tene |
| 22:58.37 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 22:58.43 | tene | brac: help chat |
| 22:58.44 | brac | markov plugin: listens to chat to build a markov chain, with which it can (perhaps) attempt to (inanely) contribute to 'discussion'. Sort of.. Will get a *lot* better after listening to a lot of chat. usage: 'markov' to attempt to say something relevant to the last line of chat, if it can. other options to markov: 'ignore' => ignore a hostmask (accept no input), 'status' => show |
| 22:58.45 | jsmith | -chat about tene is |
| 22:58.45 | brac | current status, 'probability' => set the % chance of rbot responding to input, 'chat' => try and say something intelligent, 'chat about <foo> <bar>' => riff on a word pair (if possible) |
| 22:58.45 | brac | I can't :( |
| 22:58.54 | elg | -chat about tene said |
| 22:58.54 | brac | I can't :( |
| 22:58.54 | jsmith | -chat about you can't |
| 22:58.55 | brac | you can't handle the truth! |
| 22:59.06 | tene | -chat about tene now |
| 22:59.06 | brac | I can't :( |
| 22:59.18 | tene | -chat about jsmith's mom |
| 22:59.19 | brac | I can't :( |
| 22:59.19 | elg | he needs a word pair he's seen in the wild |
| 22:59.22 | tene | ahh |
| 22:59.39 | jsmith | -chat about stupid people |
| 22:59.39 | brac | I can't :( |
| 22:59.44 | tene | -chat about ~lart sjansen |
| 22:59.44 | brac | I can't :( |
| 22:59.45 | elg | he's only been learning for a couple of days |
| 22:59.51 | jsmith | Ah... |
| 22:59.51 | findlay | heh |
| 22:59.59 | tene | ~lart sjansen |
| 23:00.01 | tene | -chat about ~lart sjansen |
| 23:00.01 | brac | I can't :( |
| 23:00.05 | elg | he should get more interesting as time goes on |
| 23:00.05 | jsmith | -chat about brac doesn't |
| 23:00.05 | brac | I can't :( |
| 23:00.11 | jsmith | brac doesn't get it |
| 23:00.15 | elg | -chat about nice work |
| 23:00.15 | brac | nice work ibot_ |
| 23:00.20 | findlay | brac: do you get it? |
| 23:00.20 | brac | who knows? |
| 23:00.24 | findlay | hm |
| 23:00.26 | jsmith | -brac |
| 23:00.35 | elg | -brac? |
| 23:00.35 | brac | brac is weird |
| 23:03.22 | elg | -chat about it is |
| 23:03.22 | brac | it is a ... |
| 23:03.27 | elg | -chat about it's been |
| 23:03.27 | brac | it's been "when I was testing by hand. |
| 23:03.42 | elg | it's been one week since you looked at me |
| 23:04.11 | jsmith | -chat about one week |
| 23:04.11 | brac | one week since you are running ntp? |
| 23:05.39 | tristanbob | anyone using virtualbox here? |
| 23:06.05 | tristanbob | I am trying to upgrade to the new release 1.3.4 and I am getting a dependancy error. Installing on Ubuntu 6.10 |
| 23:20.43 | levi | -chat about Markov |
| 23:20.44 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 23:21.00 | levi | -chat about Markov chain |
| 23:21.00 | brac | I can't :( |
| 23:21.06 | levi | Bah, what good are you? |
| 23:21.19 | *** join/#utah harleypig (n=harleypi@160.7.237.70) |
| 23:22.37 | harleypig | ~seen beandog |
| 23:23.11 | ibot | beandog <n=sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 7h 28m 26s ago, saying: 'but Im old-school and opinionated.'. |
| 23:23.35 | elg | -chat about brac is |
| 23:23.35 | brac | brac is a smart move... |
| 23:25.16 | harleypig | Can someone point me to a how to on how to setup my network in such a way that if there is no cable plugged in dhcpcd doesn't attempt to use it, and my wireless attempts to connect to a known network while ignoring unknown networks? And doing it in such a way that it doesn't delay the boot up sequence? |
| 23:25.38 | findlay | magic? |
| 23:27.32 | nick125_lappy | harleypig: What distrbution? |
| 23:27.43 | nick125_lappy | *distribution |
| 23:27.56 | harleypig | nick125_lappy: gentoo |
| 23:28.50 | findlay | find /usr/portage -type d | grep net |
| 23:29.03 | harleypig | wireless-tools? |
| 23:29.06 | findlay | might give you a starting place (-: |
| 23:29.34 | findlay | eix -v -sS |
| 23:29.58 | nick125_lappy | harleypig: no, there was a tool that would automagically connect to ethernet (it would detect when you plugged into ethernet) |
| 23:30.05 | harleypig | That's installed ... I'm having problems making it work. |
| 23:30.09 | harleypig | nick125_lappy: oh. |
| 23:30.12 | harleypig | that'd be nice. |
| 23:30.17 | tene | nick125_lappy: NetworkManager |
| 23:30.25 | nick125_lappy | tene: I think tehre was something else.. |
| 23:30.30 | harleypig | Isn't that a x app? |
| 23:30.43 | tene | harleypig: NetworkManager is a daemon. There's an X frontend. |
| 23:30.44 | nick125_lappy | look into ifplugd (I think that's it) |
| 23:31.10 | tene | Also, NetworkManager sends events to the system d-bus session |
| 23:31.22 | tene | Gaim and some other applications can use thsoe nicely. |
| 23:32.11 | harleypig | ah. there is also a 'quickswitch' app. |
| 23:37.10 | nick125_lappy | anyone here play with MTP? |
| 23:37.29 | nick125_lappy | (Media Transfer Protocol, some kind of MS protocol) |
| 23:38.26 | nick125_lappy | I have a Creative Zen V Plus (which uses MTP), and, gnomad2 works fine, but, it's a really big pain in the rear because it has no way to "sync" music automagically |
| 23:39.01 | nick125_lappy | And, I'm wondering if anyone here knew of a library or something for MTP that is either written in python or has python bindings |
| 23:39.55 | elg | harleypig: might want/need to check out wpa supplicant |
| 23:40.09 | elg | which in spite of the name can do wep and open networks too |
| 23:40.15 | harleypig | elg: Couldn't get it to work. |
| 23:40.31 | elg | funky card? |
| 23:40.31 | nick125_lappy | I basically want to write a GTK application (maybe a gnome tray icon as well) that would detect when I plug my Zen in, and, automagically sync it with my mpd music directory |
| 23:41.24 | harleypig | elg: Don't think so ... RALink 2470 seems to work all right when I set it up by hand. |
| 23:41.33 | harleypig | (actually a hand crafted bash script) |
| 23:42.45 | harleypig | But I have to run it after I've logged in ... I'd like to have some things start up daemonized (like bittorrent) |
| 23:43.12 | nick125_lappy | harleypig: you could make it into an init script and have it provide net |
| 23:49.11 | harleypig | Yeah, but it doesn't check for anything ... I don't know how to have it fall back to a second wireless ap. |
| 23:51.51 | jsmith | nick125_lappy: Sounds like it's time for you to write an over-glorified udev script |
| 23:52.10 | nick125_lappy | jsmith: maybe it could hook into udev, but, that still doesn't exactly fix the issue (with gnomad2, I have to copy the music over manually) |
| 23:52.37 | nick125_lappy | which is a pain, since, its hard to tell what files I've already copied (and, it will copy it over twice) |
| 23:53.52 | tensai | nick125_lappy: does it support usb mass storage? |
| 23:54.03 | nick125_lappy | tensai: nope |
| 23:54.29 | tensai | well, that blows. elg and I both wrote rsync scripts to sync up our mp3 players |
| 23:55.02 | mrpull | tensai: weird. apple wrote an app that syncs my DAP too. |
| 23:56.04 | tensai | I made sure to look for one that supported mass storage. settled on a creative muvo tx fm |
| 23:56.13 | tensai | stupid name, but it works fine |
| 23:56.30 | elg | mine is a samsung yp-mtx |
| 23:56.36 | elg | they call it yepp |
| 23:56.40 | elg | cool name, and works fine |
| 23:56.50 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 23:57.36 | findlay | windows does the wierdest things sometimes |
| 23:58.48 | nick125_lappy | I guess I should probably look into pylibmtp |
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