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| 00:06.27 | findlay | ibot: say something |
| 00:06.37 | ibot | something |
| 00:07.38 | Supaplex | ibot: say what ever is on your mind |
| 00:07.39 | ibot | what ever is on your mind |
| 00:07.51 | Supaplex | bzzt, that's not what I was thinking. you loose. |
| 00:08.28 | Supaplex | sup findlay |
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| 00:41.02 | findlay | I want to practice today |
| 00:45.39 | findlay | I love being a genius |
| 00:49.20 | Supaplex | a practice day for a perfect day |
| 00:50.19 | findlay | well, it's a matter for consideration because in order to practice I have to drive all the way to BYU |
| 00:50.32 | findlay | or walk |
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| 01:22.13 | rsimpkins | is the plug list working or not? |
| 01:22.22 | rsimpkins | I haven't seen an e-mail in quite some time. |
| 02:05.08 | atoponce | whoa |
| 02:05.20 | atoponce | what happened to the byu uug site? |
| 02:05.24 | atoponce | update i take it? |
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| 02:45.07 | tene | itsafozz |
| 02:46.58 | tene | http://www.geocities.com/nconner23/bwcards.html |
| 02:46.58 | brac | [1000 Blank White Cards] |
| 02:46.58 | tene | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.36 | tene | fozzmoo: http://www.lunar-linux.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=44 |
| 02:47.37 | brac | [Lunar-Linux - Mutt sidebar (folder list) patch] |
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| 03:10.28 | fozzmoo | tene: Saw the mutt sidebar in emcnabb's blog post |
| 03:11.03 | tene | Oh, right. I forgot where I had originally seen it by the time I saw you online. |
| 03:11.58 | fozzmoo | Pretty cool. |
| 03:12.10 | fozzmoo | I keep feeling the lure of mutt attempting to pull me back. |
| 03:12.39 | fozzmoo | Maybe I should just go back to mutt... |
| 03:12.46 | fozzmoo | and run it on my desktop/laptops. |
| 03:12.53 | fozzmoo | I used to run it on one system. |
| 03:13.08 | fozzmoo | and if it wasn't local, viewing non-text stuff e-mailed to me was difficult. |
| 03:13.41 | fozzmoo | I'll have to think about that. |
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| 03:25.55 | vontrapp | crap! |
| 03:26.12 | vontrapp | i'm having hd problems |
| 03:26.52 | vontrapp | first, my computer just freezes completely, i restart it and then there's no /home |
| 03:27.11 | vontrapp | xfs_repair /dev/hda6 gives me io error :( |
| 03:29.54 | elg | :( |
| 03:29.57 | nick125_lappy | Hmm |
| 03:30.12 | nick125_lappy | I need to find a decent python web framework.. |
| 03:30.15 | vontrapp | can't even get the superblock |
| 03:31.03 | vontrapp | elg: what's worse, home is in /av, that's the partition that went kaput |
| 03:31.07 | vontrapp | no more music :( |
| 03:31.26 | vontrapp | actually, i have backed it up on my external, there might be some newer stuff i've lost though |
| 03:31.37 | elg | you backed up? |
| 03:31.40 | elg | where's the fun in that? |
| 03:31.44 | vontrapp | just music |
| 03:31.46 | vontrapp | nothing else |
| 03:31.56 | vontrapp | but all my tv shows dowload to the external anyway |
| 03:32.05 | vontrapp | so those aren't affected |
| 03:32.16 | vontrapp | good thing too, they take like years to download |
| 03:33.08 | vontrapp | so anyway, could i do a bad blocks scan and then reformat the partition? |
| 03:33.55 | vontrapp | ooh, i'm still under extended warranty, does hp warranty cover hard drives? |
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| 03:34.40 | elg | these days messing with a hard drive with any proclivity to failure is a Bad Idea |
| 03:34.56 | vontrapp | ~dict proclivity |
| 03:35.24 | elg | ok, doing a photomosaic for the mrs. thinking of doing an 8x10 print. how big should I make the individual pics? |
| 03:35.25 | vontrapp | well, waiting for hp support is also a Bad Idea |
| 03:35.29 | elg | and what DPI should I do? |
| 03:35.49 | elg | but it's a one-time bad idea |
| 03:35.53 | vontrapp | elg, i'd up the dpi as much as you can afford |
| 03:35.56 | elg | not a recurring theme bad idea |
| 03:36.34 | nick125_lappy | mmm, HP support isn't too bad.. |
| 03:36.38 | vontrapp | do warranties usually cover hd? or is that considered "consumable" |
| 03:36.45 | elg | well, there has to be a point where it becomes pointless |
| 03:36.46 | nick125_lappy | usually, they do cover HD |
| 03:36.52 | vontrapp | good to hear |
| 03:36.55 | elg | up to about a week before they fail |
| 03:37.28 | nick125_lappy | saying that HDs aren't covered under warranty because they are consumable would also imply that RAM wouldn't be covered either |
| 03:37.30 | vontrapp | elg: a point where dpi becomes pointless? |
| 03:37.38 | elg | diminishing returns, yes |
| 03:38.13 | vontrapp | right, but that's where the cost comes in, where the cost difference is still marginal and you don't care, why not? |
| 03:38.38 | vontrapp | but where the difference is already a concern and you want to know what's worth it... |
| 03:38.48 | vontrapp | i've never done such pricing |
| 03:39.10 | vontrapp | but with a mosaic you would want more dpi than just any picture, cause then you can see the smaller pictures within the picture |
| 03:40.03 | vontrapp | so, take the dpi you would normally do for picture x at, say, tabletop size, then extrapolate the dpi to it's shrunken mosaic size |
| 03:40.08 | elg | i have no idea how big walmart will accept |
| 03:40.23 | elg | an I have no intention of incrementally increasing (or even a binary search) to find out |
| 03:40.45 | vontrapp | you can't just ask "what dpi do you accept?" |
| 03:41.05 | elg | you figure out how to ask websites questions and you'll be rich |
| 03:41.14 | vontrapp | ah, website |
| 03:42.29 | vontrapp | ya know, they _could_ give you such useful info on the website |
| 03:42.31 | vontrapp | if only |
| 03:42.36 | elg | ok, let's start with a simpler question. what kind of dpi do those silly inkjets have |
| 03:42.46 | vontrapp | 300-600 |
| 03:43.15 | vontrapp | usually 300, and 600 is the "high quality" that usually warps your paper from too much wetness unless you have that photo paper stuff |
| 03:45.13 | vontrapp | i wonder if i could set it up to boot off the usb hd, then send in just the hd to hp |
| 03:45.21 | vontrapp | so i could still use my compy |
| 03:45.34 | elg | i did find a page that gives minimum resolutions |
| 03:45.37 | elg | http://photos.walmart.com/helpphotoresolution/t_=7978138 |
| 03:45.43 | elg | and they say "more is better |
| 03:46.00 | vontrapp | or maybe this would just be a good excuse to get aragorn back up and running |
| 03:46.27 | elg | but would they really like me to send a photo 15300x12240 pixels? |
| 03:46.47 | vontrapp | when they say wft? you say "more is better |
| 03:46.54 | vontrapp | don't forget to leave off the last quote |
| 03:47.01 | vontrapp | s/wft/wtf/ |
| 03:47.03 | levi_home | elg: Why don't you try and see what they think? ;) |
| 03:47.42 | elg | levi_home: let's see if I have enough RAM^H^H^Hdisk space (for virtual memory) to find out |
| 03:48.12 | vontrapp | happy swapping |
| 03:49.06 | vontrapp | a little too late though, it appears, damage to the hd was already done :( |
| 03:50.22 | vontrapp | let alone what to do after that when my hd is gone |
| 03:50.27 | vontrapp | for 3 weeks |
| 03:50.47 | vontrapp | ok, so the 3 weeks was a fluke, it probably won't happen again |
| 03:52.28 | vontrapp | so can i do a bad block scan on a single partition? will that even help if there's bad blocks in the superblock area? |
| 03:52.49 | vontrapp | i guess i could move the front of the partition forward a bit |
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| 03:58.48 | elg | hmm. it's only 289 megabytes |
| 03:58.52 | elg | as a jpeg |
| 03:58.57 | elg | wal-mart certainly won't mind |
| 04:06.27 | nick125_lappy | of course not |
| 04:07.46 | vontrapp | elg: lossless? |
| 04:11.50 | elg | oh wait, that was png size |
| 04:12.17 | elg | still, it is massive. I think I'll not make it 1800 dpi |
| 04:14.14 | elg | 600 dpi, 23M jpeg |
| 04:14.22 | elg | i'll give that a try |
| 04:14.24 | elg | tomorrow |
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| 05:24.47 | findlay | maybe he should have verified it was a 3 channel png |
| 05:33.03 | Supaplex | mmmmaybe |
| 06:09.59 | vontrapp | why? you _do_ want to print out transparency, don't you? |
| 06:49.58 | findlay | ~see through vontrapp |
| 06:50.17 | ibot | ACTION whispers to through vontrapp "You didn't see anything...." |
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| 14:20.45 | elg | walmart doesn't like my 23M file |
| 14:21.08 | elg | but it has the gall to say "there may be a problem with the files or your internet connection may have been interrupted during the upload process" |
| 14:21.24 | elg | my guess? it uploaded fine and their software doesn't handle it |
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| 14:28.36 | jsmith | elg: My favorite Walmart photo story happened a few weeks ago... we sent some pictures over to Walmart to get developed, and they wouldn't print them. They said, "These photos are too good, so they must be copyrighted." |
| 14:45.48 | elg | hehe |
| 14:45.54 | elg | was it film or digital |
| 14:48.08 | tristanbob | I have an openoffice document that is stuck in recovery mode |
| 14:48.27 | tristanbob | everytime I start up OO it tries to recover, but the file is not found |
| 14:48.45 | tristanbob | I don't care about the file, I just want it to GIVE UP ALREADY! |
| 14:50.34 | jsmith | elg: Digital |
| 14:50.39 | jsmith | elg: (Photoshopped, of course) |
| 15:00.16 | elg | were you able to convince them? |
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| 15:00.29 | elg | "yes, it is copyrighted. by me." |
| 15:01.00 | elg | tristanbob: cn you delete the the recovery file? |
| 15:01.16 | elg | anyone have passion about a (not-too expensive) reading lamp? |
| 15:01.33 | elg | my windowless office needs some light other than the flickering overhead flourescents |
| 15:01.42 | elg | mostly for paper reading |
| 15:01.49 | tristanbob | elg: it is deleted - it was on a network drive when the crash occured |
| 15:01.49 | elg | as in, the stuff you hold in your hand |
| 15:02.26 | tristanbob | jsmith: I know! that is a compliment, but an annoyance |
| 15:02.28 | jsmith | elg: Yeah... it took calling a manager over and showing her the pictures on the digital camera to convince her |
| 15:03.09 | tristanbob | how do they know if a picture is copyrighted? some professional photographers let you keep the originals now |
| 15:03.36 | jsmith | tristanbob: Like the place in SLC that would give me the copyright, but not the negatives?!? |
| 15:03.47 | jsmith | ~lart stupidity |
| 15:05.44 | tristanbob | jsmith: my wedding photographer gave me the digital originals |
| 15:06.08 | jsmith | tristanbob: So did mine... but then again, it was my dad (he was a professional photographer for many years) |
| 15:07.00 | elg | tristanbob: technically, everything is copyrighted unless explicitly placed in the public domain |
| 15:07.25 | elg | but of course that's not what they mean when they say "must be copyrighted" |
| 15:11.15 | tristanbob | hmmm - it seems like such a bad model to determine of someone has rights to copy a picture |
| 15:11.36 | tristanbob | that is why we need DRM in pictures |
| 15:11.44 | elg | -lart tristanbob |
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| 15:50.56 | graphyx | We had someone do a family photo shoot for a sitting fee of $10. |
| 15:51.30 | graphyx | And at the end they wanted to charge us $250 for the cd of the originals. |
| 15:51.30 | graphyx | or pay so much for a package. |
| 15:51.31 | graphyx | I thought that 20 minutes of work wasn't worth $250. |
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| 15:55.10 | maquis | graphyx: ick |
| 15:55.27 | QBFreak | 750/hr sounds like a lot to me |
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| 15:55.46 | maquis | graphyx: before paying for the cd, i'd highly recommend asking what rights you would have to the use of the pictures |
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| 15:56.27 | maquis | 250$ *is* expensive, but it's even more expensive if they're going to try to tell you that you don't have rights to the pictures |
| 15:56.37 | graphyx | that is true |
| 15:56.50 | graphyx | It appeared to be full rights |
| 15:57.04 | maquis | graphyx: get that in writing... |
| 15:57.26 | graphyx | I would if I cared to purchase them |
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| 16:11.14 | goozbach | yay mornings |
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| 16:11.23 | goozbach | boo being sick while on vacation |
| 16:11.30 | goozbach | fozzmoo: how was paintball? |
| 16:11.39 | Jayce^ | didn't see fozzmoo |
| 16:11.42 | fozzmoo | Yeah. |
| 16:11.48 | fozzmoo | My daughter wanted to go... |
| 16:11.48 | Jayce^ | but check out my blog for a quick peek at something you missed |
| 16:11.59 | fozzmoo | but before I knew it, it was Friday night and we hadn't picked up any gear. |
| 16:12.00 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you could have seen the new specops camo design. |
| 16:12.11 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, you should have just called me, I had plenty |
| 16:12.24 | fozzmoo | Sorry. :( |
| 16:12.46 | fozzmoo | Let me know the next time there's an outing. I'll try to get stuff together ahead of time. |
| 16:12.47 | goozbach | I should have gone, it would have kept me from getting food poisoning |
| 16:12.56 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Where did you get poisoning? |
| 16:12.58 | Jayce^ | serves you right |
| 16:13.02 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: But I'm good to go for Wed! |
| 16:13.02 | goozbach | Jayce^: just saw the video |
| 16:13.05 | goozbach | great stuff |
| 16:13.28 | goozbach | fozzmoo: aparently it was a package of beef jerky I bought at smithsw |
| 16:14.41 | Jayce^ | cool |
| 16:14.41 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Yuck. That sucks. |
| 16:14.41 | fozzmoo | The green fuzz didn't clue you in? :) |
| 16:14.42 | Jayce^ | goozbach, specops also had a bunch of freebies they tossed out.. |
| 16:14.42 | Jayce^ | and some really really good matches |
| 16:15.15 | Jayce^ | really fun charging a bunker, with a double-trouble at your back, and apexing the guys inside.. |
| 16:15.28 | goozbach | dammit |
| 16:15.51 | Jayce^ | oh goozbach, FYI, actionvillage has serious discount right now on 42" steel braid remotes, with slide check.. $29.99 |
| 16:16.04 | Jayce^ | half price what they cost at most places |
| 16:16.27 | fozzmoo | http://mytreo.net/archives/2007/02/home-cable-or-satellite-tv-on-your-palm-os-treo.html |
| 16:16.28 | brac | [Home cable or satellite TV on your Palm OS Treo - Editorials] |
| 16:16.44 | fozzmoo | :-D |
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| 16:35.15 | ^Migs^ | Entrepreneurs in Shanghai are pushing the city's latest food fad for Valentine's Day - a purple potato grown from seeds taken on a space mission. |
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| 16:38.48 | ^Migs^ | http://www.koat.com/news/10980789/detail.html |
| 16:38.50 | brac | [Talking Urinal Cakes Offer Drinking And Driving Advice - Local News] |
| 16:43.56 | graphyx | That is funny |
| 16:44.27 | elg | fwiw, my brother in law who runs a credit card processing biz (for online and point of sale), says debit is NOT less safe than credit 99% of the time |
| 16:44.35 | elg | (with some exceptions for "exceptional" banks) |
| 16:44.39 | graphyx | Fwiw? |
| 16:44.46 | elg | you get the same protections |
| 16:44.57 | ^Migs^ | it's safer for me, cuz I have $0 in my checking account |
| 16:45.01 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 16:45.04 | jsmith | elg: Unfortunately, I just found that out :-) |
| 16:45.05 | elg | heh, well there is that :) |
| 16:45.16 | elg | jsmith: you got to dispute a charge? |
| 16:45.50 | jsmith | elg: No, the bank just broke my debit card, as someone had tried to use the number to send $500 to Western Union |
| 16:46.06 | fozzmoo | oh joy. |
| 16:46.07 | jsmith | elg: Turns out they had charged some other things to the number |
| 16:47.12 | elg | but they were charged, a la credit, right? |
| 16:47.13 | ^Migs^ | There was a man climbing a ladder to somebody's house, to the nearest window. He broke into the house and took what was most precious to the family. He climbed down, and the police were there waiting for him. He returned what he took to the police, and the police let him walk away. Why? |
| 16:47.50 | maquis | ^Migs^: is this one of those 60-second mystery things? |
| 16:47.57 | maquis | Q: was the house on fire? |
| 16:48.10 | ^Migs^ | maquis already figured it out |
| 16:48.17 | maquis | :) |
| 16:48.29 | macnewbold | nice, maquis |
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| 16:48.54 | graphyx | I like those |
| 16:48.56 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 16:49.07 | graphyx | We would do them on the way to boy scout camp as a troop |
| 16:49.22 | elg | man lying face down in a haystack in the middle of nowhere dead. why? |
| 16:49.38 | graphyx | cause I shot him. |
| 16:49.40 | ^Migs^ | There was a man climbing a ladder to somebody's house, to the nearest window. He broke into the house and took what was most precious to the family. He climbed down, and the police were there waiting for him. He returned what he took to the police, and the police let him walk away. Why? |
| 16:49.46 | elg | no. because he landed on the needle |
| 16:49.59 | vontrapp | k, how do copy hda6 without crashing or spending forever on problem spots (io errors) |
| 16:50.09 | graphyx | how lucky and unlucky can you get? |
| 16:50.30 | ^Migs^ | oops |
| 16:51.09 | ^Migs^ | you're in a dark room. in the corner you see a wood stove. on the table a candle, and on teh shelf an oil lamp. you have one match. what do you light first? |
| 16:51.09 | ^Migs^ | there we go |
| 16:51.09 | graphyx | the match |
| 16:51.18 | graphyx | Why not try one that we haven't heard. |
| 16:51.24 | ^Migs^ | I hadn't heard that one |
| 16:51.26 | ^Migs^ | you come up with some then |
| 16:51.30 | graphyx | Ok |
| 16:51.53 | elg | man wakes up, brushes his teeth, showers, turns on the radio, shoots himself. why? |
| 16:52.17 | graphyx | A man enters town on Friday. He stays a week to make purchases and then leaves on the same Friday How? |
| 16:52.29 | elg | his mule was named friday |
| 16:52.32 | vontrapp | how about this one, the partition with all your personal code, sheet music, and tax forms gets io errors in the superblock, what do you do? |
| 16:52.48 | graphyx | fsck? |
| 16:53.21 | vontrapp | xfs_repair, same io error on superblock |
| 16:53.27 | ^Migs^ | nice |
| 16:53.29 | graphyx | He heard that he was found guilt of some crime |
| 16:54.10 | elg | graphyx: close. lighthouse operator. forgot the light. heard on the news about the shipwreck (passenger boat) |
| 16:54.18 | vontrapp | 10000 people |
| 16:54.20 | levi | Or, he heard that the stock market crashed. Or that the aliens from Mars were invading! |
| 16:54.22 | vontrapp | alll dead |
| 16:54.24 | elg | 10 bazillion people |
| 16:54.30 | elg | including the haystack guy |
| 16:54.37 | elg | who landed on the needle because he couldn't see |
| 16:54.45 | graphyx | How many is a bazillion? |
| 16:54.46 | elg | because the lighthouse was off |
| 16:54.53 | elg | more than a lot |
| 16:54.57 | vontrapp | the haystack guy escaped the shipwreck only to fall in that haystack behind the lighthouse |
| 16:56.03 | vontrapp | can i dd the partition and have it skip errors? |
| 16:56.12 | elg | ~drown maquis |
| 16:56.14 | ibot | ACTION empathizes with maquis, seeking to drown out their sorrows |
| 16:56.15 | vontrapp | ~drug markl__ |
| 16:56.19 | elg | ~flood maquis |
| 16:56.21 | ibot | ACTION blasts maquis with a huge firehose then strangles maquis with it |
| 16:56.34 | vontrapp | what? who is markl__ ? |
| 16:56.39 | elg | the guy you drugged |
| 16:56.57 | maquis | vontrapp: apparently my bodyguard |
| 16:56.58 | maquis | duh |
| 16:57.01 | Jayce^ | why'd you drug mark? I need him to do his work.. |
| 16:57.13 | maquis | ~work Jayce^ |
| 16:57.15 | ibot | ACTION looks over the shoulder of Jayce^ to see what needs to be done and then sets the elves to work getting it all done so Jayce^ can play bzflag |
| 16:57.19 | vontrapp | Jayce^: no worries, they were happy productive drugs |
| 17:00.29 | maquis | ~truce |
| 17:00.51 | vontrapp | strange, 1.7G copied already and no io error |
| 17:01.26 | vontrapp | isn't the superblock supposed to be right at the front? |
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| 17:03.20 | vontrapp | 4G |
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| 17:08.46 | elg | ibot, start a flameware |
| 17:08.48 | brac | start a revolution! |
| 17:08.50 | elg | er, flamewar |
| 17:09.21 | ^Migs^ | http://youtube.com/watch?v=ergA-pwfyhw |
| 17:12.15 | sontek | Do you guys know of any good/free tools for imaging a winxp box to deploy to a lot more =) |
| 17:12.50 | elg | sontek: a digital camera. just take a picture of the bsod |
| 17:12.55 | elg | make prints, tape on monitors |
| 17:12.58 | maquis | sontek: i believe that one of the linux livecds i was looking at this weekend can do that |
| 17:13.02 | maquis | i just don't remember which one |
| 17:13.03 | maquis | :) |
| 17:14.58 | elg | -markov status |
| 17:14.58 | brac | markov is currently enabled, 30% chance of chipping in |
| 17:15.17 | elg | oh, that was brac starting the revolution. heh |
| 17:15.21 | brac | that was the only 'sport' that morons and complete idiots understand. turn left, and everything is coming up roses, you're dead. |
| 17:16.36 | maquis | huh? |
| 17:17.22 | levi | Hah, markov chaining for synthetic conversation! |
| 17:18.12 | vontrapp | drat, i think i just hit an io error |
| 17:18.19 | vontrapp | 16.5G |
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| 17:20.16 | ^Migs^ | http://bp3.blogger.com/_FBXGhy-QmVw/RclUgCusgII/AAAAAAAAAdU/CzI1AERJoqA/s1600-h/card650.JPG |
| 17:20.16 | brac | [card650.JPG (image)] |
| 17:26.25 | elg | -chat |
| 17:26.25 | brac | who let yesterday run out? |
| 17:29.16 | QBFreak | I don't know, but its too much of a monday for me |
| 17:50.07 | vontrapp | -monday QBFreak |
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| 17:56.37 | harleypig | Can anyone help me with a network card issue (in gentoo, but I don't think the os is the problem). |
| 17:56.44 | harleypig | s/os/distro/ |
| 17:56.51 | Jayce^ | harleypig, no, it's a user issue |
| 17:57.09 | harleypig | I don't think so any more. |
| 17:57.16 | beandog | harleypig: whats wrong |
| 17:57.31 | vontrapp | his network card doesn't wor |
| 17:57.33 | vontrapp | k |
| 17:57.36 | harleypig | Apparently the problem with the coldplug/udev issue was a common one and no one else lost connectivity. |
| 17:58.04 | harleypig | beandog: when running netmount dhcpcd is saying interface eth0 is not ethernet or token ring. |
| 17:58.37 | harleypig | lspci shows rtl-8169 Gigabit |
| 17:58.44 | harleypig | lsmod shows r8169 |
| 17:59.29 | levi | Ode to C: http://gdl.msu.edu/~vanhoose/humor/0844.html |
| 17:59.30 | brac | [Todd's Humor Archive: Ode to C] |
| 17:59.40 | harleypig | ifconfig initially doesn't show card, but when I do ifconfig eth0 up ; ifconfig eth0 I've got a double size mac address and "Link encap:UNSPEC" |
| 18:00.02 | beandog | buh |
| 18:00.04 | beandog | that is weird. |
| 18:00.11 | beandog | what version of udev |
| 18:00.16 | harleypig | The extra characters on the mac address are all 0s. |
| 18:00.19 | harleypig | checking |
| 18:00.22 | brac | The extra padding really helps me remember that cheesecake is not the negatives?!? |
| 18:01.06 | harleypig | Looks like 104-r9 |
| 18:01.10 | vontrapp | harleypig: have you tried ip link set up eth0 before doing anything else? |
| 18:01.13 | beandog | meh |
| 18:01.18 | beandog | udev is borked |
| 18:01.21 | beandog | Id go back to 87 or so. |
| 18:01.43 | beandog | gots tons of bugs, but they stabled it anyway. |
| 18:01.44 | beandog | oh well. |
| 18:01.58 | harleypig | so =>sys-fs/udev-089 in package.mask? |
| 18:02.19 | beandog | before masking it |
| 18:02.26 | beandog | emerge =udev-087-r1 |
| 18:03.07 | harleypig | Trying ... but I dont know if it'll be in distfiles. |
| 18:03.08 | harleypig | nope. |
| 18:03.18 | beandog | ah. |
| 18:03.20 | beandog | no network. |
| 18:03.20 | beandog | poop. |
| 18:03.45 | harleypig | Well, I've got a wireless card, but I can't make it work for two networks. It seems to be stuck on my home network. |
| 18:04.46 | harleypig | I can sneakernet itt ... I've got a flash drive. |
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| 18:12.18 | harleypig | err ... how do I mount a usb flash drive from the command line? |
| 18:12.36 | vontrapp | it's usually /dev/sdax |
| 18:12.50 | vontrapp | or /dev/disk/by-label/<your drive label> |
| 18:13.27 | harleypig | Oh, cool. I didn't know about the by-label |
| 18:14.37 | vontrapp | wow, 28 errors, all in the same place |
| 18:14.41 | vontrapp | 30 |
| 18:14.51 | vontrapp | errsize 77824 B |
| 18:14.56 | harleypig | COBOL? |
| 18:15.03 | vontrapp | hda6 |
| 18:15.19 | vontrapp | 33 errors, and errsize down to 16384 B |
| 18:15.30 | harleypig | Oh right. COBOL would have been closer to 300 erros in thr same place. |
| 18:15.40 | vontrapp | yay! |
| 18:15.44 | vontrapp | i can mount it!!! |
| 18:15.55 | vontrapp | ~hug ddrescue |
| 18:15.57 | ibot | ACTION sneaks up on ddrescue and suddenly hugs ddrescue tightly |
| 18:16.28 | vontrapp | now to send the dying drive to hp |
| 18:17.15 | harleypig | beandog: ok ... udev is back to 87-r1 ... >=sys-fs/udev-88 in package.mask? |
| 18:20.19 | harleypig | AGGGHHHH! Now lo isn't even being configured! |
| 18:21.02 | Jayce^ | harleypig, don't you have work to get done? :) |
| 18:21.39 | harleypig | Yes. I can't do it if I can't get that computer working. |
| 18:22.20 | brac | Jayce^ teaches harleypig the ever-important lesson of: Don't Fart with your cool new 1k zero gravity chair from the distal end of the CD-ROM drives |
| 18:22.44 | harleypig | I didn't ... it was a normal upgrade. |
| 18:23.25 | Jayce^ | nothing is normal in Gentoo |
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| 18:25.11 | findlay | what's the windows dialog called that you use to configure connecting to tar interwebs? |
| 18:27.32 | ^Migs^ | this is disturbing: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cas/277253012.html |
| 18:33.51 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRjVeRbhtRU |
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| 18:56.18 | vontrapp | it's too bad HP can't just believe me that the hd is bad |
| 18:56.33 | vontrapp | first they have me try to do all these things assuming i'm running windows |
| 18:56.41 | vontrapp | "push F8 at boot" |
| 18:57.06 | vontrapp | finally i convince them that won't work, so then i go to bios (why that's not plan A i don't know) |
| 18:57.31 | vontrapp | HDD self test returns fail, now i can finally go on with actually getting the new HD |
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| 19:21.12 | beandog | harleypig: still having issues? :( |
| 19:22.36 | jsmith | beandog: What's wrong w/ udev? |
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| 19:24.22 | fatpelt | good afternoon everyone |
| 19:28.04 | jsmith | maquis: I've already had lunch... and it was good. |
| 19:28.04 | brac | jsmith prepares to get eliott to go try out |
| 19:28.19 | maquis | brac: huh? |
| 19:28.19 | brac | who knows? |
| 19:28.24 | jsmith | huh? |
| 19:28.34 | jsmith | brac: brac is weird |
| 19:28.35 | brac | okies! |
| 19:31.08 | tensai | where's redbeard when you need him? |
| 19:31.56 | jsmith | tensai: Probably eating lunch. |
| 19:32.10 | tensai | what a jerk |
| 19:43.15 | Supaplex | poor lunch. ;) |
| 19:43.32 | Supaplex | it bites when you're eatten |
| 19:48.28 | goozbach | hmmm lunch |
| 19:48.37 | goozbach | pineapple |
| 19:55.13 | Jayce^ | tensai, his wife is off having a baby today.. |
| 19:55.18 | Jayce^ | he figured he needed to be there |
| 19:55.37 | tensai | Jayce^: I suppose I'll let it slide then |
| 19:55.42 | harleypig | beandog: took lunch in the hopes it would fix itself while I was gone ... no good. |
| 19:56.11 | harleypig | At the very least I need to get the lo interface back up. |
| 19:57.06 | beandog | how the crap did that one disappear |
| 19:57.15 | maquis | harleypig: you managed to get rid of lo |
| 19:57.16 | maquis | ? |
| 19:57.42 | harleypig | I have no idea ... I emerged =udev-087-r1, ran dispatch-conf. |
| 19:58.10 | harleypig | When I tried setting things up, nothing worked so i rebooted to try and get a clean boot environment. |
| 19:58.11 | beandog | reboot? |
| 19:58.19 | harleypig | lo was gone on reboot. |
| 19:58.24 | maquis | ick |
| 19:58.40 | harleypig | netmount says there is no interface lo |
| 19:58.57 | harleypig | What's the name of the module that handles lo? |
| 19:59.36 | beandog | I dunno |
| 19:59.41 | brac | I dunno if fortune modules count. |
| 19:59.46 | harleypig | heh |
| 20:00.59 | emcnabb | ugh, IPSec sucks |
| 20:01.39 | harleypig | #gentoo-amd64 isn't being much help |
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| 20:23.52 | tensai | emcnabb: you misspelled IPSUC |
| 20:23.55 | tensai | openvpn++ |
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| 20:26.47 | levi | The whole 'You should learn Java because it will make you the most money!' argument is ridiculous. |
| 20:27.30 | tene | orly? |
| 20:27.40 | tene | What specific argument are you thinking of, levi? |
| 20:27.57 | levi | tene: The one Brian Sant is using in the 'MY JOB WENT TO INDIA' thread. |
| 20:28.31 | levi | It assumes your primary motivation is to maximize your earnings, in which case being a programmer at all is a rather poor choice of jobs. |
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| 20:28.40 | tene | That is to say, what's your specific objection to that argument? |
| 20:30.29 | fozzmoo | oh boy. |
| 20:31.00 | emcnabb | tensai: I agree |
| 20:33.30 | tene | Hmm. |
| 20:33.51 | tene | If you're just looking to make the most money possible, wtf are you doing getting programming jobs? |
| 20:34.28 | tensai | assume that you do want to be a programmer though |
| 20:34.49 | tensai | I don't, but I hear there are nut cases out there like that |
| 20:35.08 | levi | If you assume that, then your skill choice is no longer entirely dependant on profitability. You now have another factor to consider. |
| 20:35.31 | levi | Java may still win out, but it is not necessarily the only reasonable choice. |
| 20:37.43 | levi | Someone who claims that Java is the only reasonable programming language to learn because it is the most profitable is kidding themselves; they really have another motivation behind the scenes that they're not mentioning. |
| 20:38.18 | fozzmoo | It wasn't that long ago that VB was #1. |
| 20:39.08 | tene | If you want to be a programmer more than you want to make the most money possible, you're already admitting to having stronger motivations than desire for money |
| 20:39.23 | levi | tene: Indeed, that's my whole point. |
| 20:40.03 | tene | ... as I now see, having just read that post |
| 20:40.05 | levi | fozzmoo: That's not a problem for Brian's argument, since he admits that Java will not be #1 forever, and that he will jump on the next bandwagon as soon as it becomes apparent. |
| 20:41.17 | levi | What he's really doing is coming up with a defense for his not-entirely-rational choice of job skills he's developed. |
| 20:43.29 | tene | Perhaps "I'm already a programmer, and I can either make money programming java or spend money developing skills in order to maybe make more money in the future"? |
| 20:44.20 | levi | Heh, Brian's true motivation surfaces: he thinks Java is fun! So, he really is motivated in his technology choice exactly how the rest of us are. :) |
| 20:44.37 | tensai | emcnabb: with two identical endpoints, I have had decent success with ipsec. but for an open standard, I'm really surprised at how poorly every implementation seems to interoperate. |
| 20:45.37 | tensai | with how complex it is, you'd think ISO designed it |
| 20:46.21 | levi | Jayce^: PLUG on Valentine's day? Now that's true geekiness. |
| 20:46.50 | tene | what's the subject? |
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| 20:54.42 | QBFreak | !teneis everywhere |
| 20:54.50 | QBFreak | !teneis Everywhere |
| 20:55.04 | TeneIsEverywhere | Please don't do that here. I haven't bothered to limit that script by servers. |
| 20:55.20 | QBFreak | sorry, I didn't expect it to work |
| 20:55.21 | TeneIsEverywhere | And I don't have the motivation to do so, so I'd just disable it instead. |
| 20:55.35 | QBFreak | it didn't used to in here :) |
| 20:55.37 | tene | s'okay. |
| 20:56.16 | tene | That would have only been because I didn't have it turned on at the time. It's never been limited to servers. |
| 20:57.10 | QBFreak | ah ok |
| 20:58.04 | fozzmoo | No computers at home? |
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| 20:58.25 | QBFreak | the computers at home aren't this mean to me |
| 20:58.26 | QBFreak | usually |
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| 20:58.51 | PeregrineFalcon | ~help |
| 20:59.42 | Jayce^ | levi, yeah, just our luck that dumb day had to fall on the 2nd wednesday |
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| 21:01.20 | PeregrineFalcon | ibot: what is sjansen? |
| 21:01.23 | ibot | PeregrineFalcon: I think you lost me on that one |
| 21:01.31 | elg | -lart sjan |
| 21:01.35 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Is there NUPM this week too? |
| 21:01.39 | PeregrineFalcon | what is sjansen? |
| 21:02.04 | elg | j/k |
| 21:02.19 | tensai | elg: did you reboot my server too? |
| 21:02.29 | tensai | 14:02:23 up 11 min |
| 21:02.34 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, might want to poke neybar about that |
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| 21:02.44 | rsimpkins | neybar: poke! |
| 21:02.56 | tensai | I think sjansen is one hoopy frood who really knows where his towel is at |
| 21:02.58 | tensai | ~sjansen |
| 21:02.59 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, sjansen is too important to me. |
| 21:03.08 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 21:03.08 | tensai | guess not any more |
| 21:04.26 | levi | Oh my goodness. Am I really seeing sjansen say nice things about Java? |
| 21:04.31 | brac | Oh my goodness. Am I really need to know what's worth it... |
| 21:05.21 | Jayce^ | levi, I'm doubting the veracity of it, even with the gpg signature |
| 21:06.09 | levi | At least he got in a bunch of sjansen-style insults at the end. |
| 21:06.43 | Jayce^ | that's almost more telling than the gpg |
| 21:07.04 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, love the title |
| 21:07.13 | rsimpkins | :) |
| 21:11.26 | tensai | brac: didn't your mother tell you to only speak when spoken to? |
| 21:11.26 | brac | beats me |
| 21:14.07 | ^Migs^ | http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/02/combat_lan_funk.html |
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| 21:17.51 | ^Migs^ | fortunately I don't work with any big smelly guys |
| 21:19.47 | ^Migs^ | new guy next to me probably needs that, cuz I tend to fart a lot |
| 21:22.07 | elg | -seen redbeard1 |
| 21:22.07 | brac | redbeard1 was last seen 2 days, 22 hours, 14 minutes and 29 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 21:22.12 | elg | where is that punk? |
| 21:23.23 | Jayce^ | the hospital |
| 21:23.31 | elg | biology grad student friend of mine with an adventurous spirit and some basic programming experience (she took my C class and did well), wants to make/use a stack in C++ |
| 21:23.33 | Jayce^ | no call yet on if it's out |
| 21:23.42 | elg | should I show her how to make a simple stack or show her the STL? I'm so torn |
| 21:23.55 | elg | hospital? oh the baby? |
| 21:24.05 | macnewbold | elg: she'll learn more if she makes her own, but if she just wants to use a stack, show her STL |
| 21:24.06 | levi | elg: Why not both? |
| 21:24.27 | elg | well I'll probably do both, I guess which should I recommend she do/use |
| 21:24.39 | elg | the STL is formidable, at least as formidable as rolling your own stack |
| 21:24.43 | tene | Why don't you ask her. |
| 21:25.04 | elg | but if I recommend it she'll do it because she's one of those "best tool for the job no matter th learning curve" people |
| 21:25.16 | levi | Learning the STL is a valuable C++ skill. |
| 21:25.39 | elg | definitely, but she's a biology student not a programmer |
| 21:25.42 | elg | she just needs things to work |
| 21:25.50 | elg | she doesn't need valuable programming skills |
| 21:26.09 | elg | (/me plays devil's advocate) |
| 21:26.26 | levi | Well, learning how to reuse libraries is an essential skill for anyone who is going to use a programming language to get work done. |
| 21:27.58 | tene | "Learning to write your own stack library will teach you many important things, but isn't always the best thing to use. It's often best to use standard libraries unless you have a specific need they don't cover." |
| 21:28.33 | tene | Tell her that she should be using STL here typically, but if she wants to pursue programming, she should implement her own stack someday, and does she want that day to be today? |
| 21:29.10 | levi | Has she had any previous exposure to templates? |
| 21:30.06 | tene | http://www.wikihow.com/Survive-a-Riot |
| 21:31.38 | elg | not to my knowledge, but she might have |
| 21:31.47 | elg | templates aren't hard to understand in basic usage |
| 21:32.02 | elg | only when you have to write a templated function or class |
| 21:37.45 | tene | ~template elg |
| 21:37.59 | elg | i'll recommend stl |
| 21:45.18 | elg | lol. bring your SO to plug |
| 21:45.20 | elg | great idea |
| 21:46.33 | tene | http://www.local6.com/news/10991469/detail.html |
| 21:46.34 | brac | ['Mountains Of Trash' Inside Car Blamed For Crash - Local News] |
| 21:46.50 | elg | oh, I thought that said mountains of cash at first |
| 21:47.02 | elg | trash makes a much less interesting crash |
| 21:50.10 | tene | Same here! |
| 21:52.22 | fozzmoo | "So many twenties got stuck under the brake pedal, there was nothiing I could do but scream." |
| 21:53.13 | Jayce^ | Elise Violet Hall, 7lbs 7oz, 19", 11:43am |
| 21:53.25 | Jayce^ | redbeard's first kid |
| 21:54.33 | elg | brac, nick violet |
| 21:54.33 | brac | insufficient "nick" auth (have 10, need 80) |
| 21:54.43 | elg | brac, nick violet |
| 21:55.22 | jsmith | elg: FWIW, brac was misbehaving earlier |
| 21:55.30 | elg | oh? |
| 21:55.34 | jsmith | I typed: |
| 21:55.48 | jsmith | And brac replied with nonsense |
| 21:55.58 | elg | nonsense? brac? |
| 21:56.09 | tensai | [14:04] <levi> Oh my goodness. Am I really seeing sjansen say nice things about Java? |
| 21:56.09 | tensai | [14:04] <brac> Oh my goodness. Am I really need to know what's worth it... |
| 21:56.20 | elg | nah. must be an impostor |
| 21:56.23 | tensai | elg: I think brac was doing an automatic replacement |
| 21:56.27 | elg | brac is a smart bot |
| 21:56.34 | jsmith | elg: I'll paste it in a private message |
| 21:56.50 | elg | i hope he wasn't obscene |
| 21:57.06 | jsmith | No, just confusing... |
| 21:57.18 | levi | brac is now conversationally empowered by a Markov-chaining nonsense generator. |
| 21:57.36 | elg | with a 5% chance of chipping in |
| 21:59.00 | elg | -help markov |
| 21:59.01 | violet | markov plugin: listens to chat to build a markov chain, with which it can (perhaps) attempt to (inanely) contribute to 'discussion'. Sort of.. Will get a *lot* better after listening to a lot of chat. usage: 'markov' to attempt to say something relevant to the last line of chat, if it can. other options to markov: 'ignore' => ignore a hostmask (accept no input), 'status' => show |
| 21:59.02 | violet | current status, 'probability' => set the % chance of rbot responding to input, 'chat' => try and say something intelligent, 'chat about <foo> <bar>' => riff on a word pair (if possible) |
| 21:59.14 | elg | -nick brac |
| 21:59.54 | tene | -markov |
| 21:59.54 | brac | insufficient "markov" auth (have 10, need 12) |
| 22:00.14 | graphy1 | oh I was wondering if you guys were planning to add another bot to the channel. |
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| 22:01.17 | jsmith | levi: I thought you were joking, but now I realize you're serious |
| 22:01.17 | elg | tene: try -chat |
| 22:01.17 | elg | i wonder if that would work |
| 22:01.22 | jsmith | -chat about elg brac |
| 22:01.23 | brac | I can't :( |
| 22:01.27 | jsmith | -chat |
| 22:01.27 | tene | -markov chat |
| 22:01.27 | brac | he's always telling me about a thousand in Gentoo |
| 22:01.27 | brac | insufficient "markov" auth (have 10, need 12) |
| 22:01.37 | tene | -chat |
| 22:01.37 | elg | it ought to let normal people just call -chat to get some random comment |
| 22:01.38 | brac | I've never programmed in PL/1 but isn't always a better router buy than the other? |
| 22:01.42 | jsmith | -chat about lisp perl |
| 22:01.43 | brac | I can't :( |
| 22:01.55 | elg | ya |
| 22:02.17 | elg | -chat about sjansen emcnabb |
| 22:02.17 | brac | I can't :( |
| 22:02.32 | elg | maybe in a few weeks. you're still an infant |
| 22:02.34 | brac | maybe in a dark room. in the superblock, what do I get rw-rw-rw- |
| 22:02.36 | harleypig | Yay! I got my network back on my laptop. |
| 22:02.46 | elg | there goes the internet |
| 22:02.51 | harleypig | heh |
| 22:02.52 | Jayce^ | 'baout time.. |
| 22:03.41 | harleypig | I'd like to see ElectricSheep in a virtual immersive environment. |
| 22:03.50 | harleypig | Then drugs wouldn't be necessary. |
| 22:10.32 | goozbach | maybe in a few weeks, you'll see electricsheep |
| 22:10.55 | goozbach | -chat about goozbach |
| 22:10.55 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 22:11.08 | goozbach | -chat goozbach |
| 22:11.08 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 22:11.20 | elg | he needs a pair of word |
| 22:11.26 | elg | -chat about goozbach ibot |
| 22:11.26 | brac | I can't :( |
| 22:11.34 | elg | he seems to need more data first though |
| 22:13.44 | *** join/#utah harleypig (n=harleypi@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 22:13.47 | harleypig | wheee |
| 22:15.22 | findlay | ibot: will you solve all of my problems? |
| 22:17.26 | Keighvin | harleypig: http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/video/88e0/ |
| 22:17.28 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: Digital Video Eyewear] |
| 22:17.41 | Keighvin | It's a start. |
| 22:17.46 | brac | It's a question mark |
| 22:18.15 | harleypig | Yeesh! 70 emails on plug since this morning? |
| 22:18.27 | elg | that's what happens when it's down for a day |
| 22:18.39 | elg | and then someone brings up java |
| 22:18.56 | harleypig | Keighvin: yeah, but I'm looking forward to the direct feed to the optical and aural nerves. |
| 22:19.17 | harleypig | Just for fun switch the outputs for awhile and see what happens. |
| 22:23.50 | *** topic/#utah by findlay -> The channel for OSS discussion in the great notched state, or the cornerless state (Wyoming stole it.) | http://www.plug.org/node/28 |
| 22:25.09 | *** topic/#utah by PeregrineFalcon -> The channel for OSS discussion in Utah |
| 22:25.29 | findlay | sure. Way to rip all the cruft out of the topic |
| 22:26.05 | *** topic/#utah by PeregrineFalcon -> The channel for OSS discussion in Utah | http://www.plug.org/node/28 |
| 22:26.08 | PeregrineFalcon | :) |
| 22:27.17 | findlay | I hate windows |
| 22:27.26 | findlay | ~lart windows |
| 22:27.32 | findlay | ~destroy windows |
| 22:27.34 | ibot | no |
| 22:27.40 | bonez39 | findlay, what's it doing today? I echo your hatred.... |
| 22:28.08 | Keighvin | That thar lart is hillarious. |
| 22:28.20 | findlay | ~annialate windows |
| 22:28.28 | findlay | ~whalenuke windows |
| 22:28.29 | ibot | ACTION dons his radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around windows with his mind powers |
| 22:29.04 | findlay | Keighvin: the windows b0xen won't talk to the samba domain controller |
| 22:29.19 | Keighvin | Lame, and good luck with that. |
| 22:29.33 | Keighvin | (even considering work boxen) |
| 22:29.54 | findlay | and they spew dialogzen of retorical nonsense like "Your netork is down. Please stay calm and call the technician <OK?> <Nevermind>" |
| 22:30.04 | findlay | very useful |
| 22:31.30 | tensai | I love when windows tells me to contact my administrator |
| 22:31.36 | findlay | yeah |
| 22:32.41 | levi | Yow, depressing slides from Rob Pike: http://herpolhode.com/rob/utah2000.pdf |
| 22:32.57 | findlay | tensai: do you know what to do when the windows control panel doesn't have the "Network" icon? |
| 22:33.34 | tensai | findlay: strangle it with a cat5 cable |
| 22:33.40 | findlay | it's kind of hard to try to diagnose things when you don't even have access to the configurations |
| 22:33.43 | tensai | or cat6, whatever you got |
| 22:33.48 | brac | or cat6, whatever you got time to get eliott to go the tmpfile route. |
| 22:33.57 | findlay | brac: whatever |
| 22:34.16 | tensai | seriously, what is brac on today? |
| 22:34.18 | findlay | that's it |
| 22:34.28 | findlay | I need eliott to go the tmpfile route for me |
| 22:34.31 | findlay | thanks brac |
| 22:35.08 | findlay | ~lart gmail |
| 22:36.05 | elg | tensai: he's on markov |
| 22:36.06 | findlay | ~lart the clueless, top posting, LOLROFLD00DZBBQ!!1 counter-'culture' |
| 22:36.15 | elg | -markov probability 1 |
| 22:36.15 | brac | done |
| 22:36.30 | findlay | ibot: good try, but sadly I don't think it will make any difference |
| 22:36.31 | ibot | Good try, but sadly I don't think it will make any difference, good! Have a cookie... oh no! The cookie jar is dry! |
| 22:39.09 | Keighvin | What's wrong with gmail? |
| 22:40.23 | findlay | gmail encourages top posting |
| 22:40.32 | elg | that's no sin |
| 22:40.35 | elg | gmail has many sins |
| 22:40.38 | elg | but that's not one of them |
| 22:40.54 | findlay | gmail stores my email on a foreign server |
| 22:41.02 | findlay | and it doesn't do proper threading |
| 22:41.03 | elg | sigh. I got the wrong book from the library |
| 22:41.05 | elg | I have to go back now |
| 22:41.27 | findlay | besides that, it's a wonderful example of a good web application |
| 22:44.33 | levi | I wonder what Rob Pike is doing at google. |
| 22:45.01 | Supaplex | making co2 like every other being on the planet? |
| 22:45.12 | Keighvin | Not me! |
| 22:45.22 | Supaplex | you can only .. haha |
| 22:45.25 | Supaplex | so long :P |
| 22:45.36 | levi | Supaplex: Certainly, but I'm sure that's not the only thing he's doing. |
| 22:45.41 | Supaplex | note, I said making. I didn't distinguish exhaling. |
| 22:45.57 | levi | Presumably he's doing something for google in return for the money they're paying him. |
| 22:46.13 | Supaplex | oh good, Keighvin is now a corpse. no more co2 from him. |
| 22:46.23 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 22:46.38 | Supaplex | he didn't even last 1 minute. what a shame. |
| 22:47.19 | levi | Did anyone else look at the Rob Pike slides on system software research? |
| 22:50.14 | macnewbold | levi: the one about systems software research is dead? |
| 22:50.19 | macnewbold | if so, I've read them |
| 22:50.29 | Keighvin | findlay: You actually call it a pianoforte? |
| 22:50.45 | findlay | why not? |
| 22:50.50 | levi | macnewbold: Yeah, though he said 'irrelevant' rather than dead, which is perhaps an even sadder state of affairs. |
| 22:51.10 | findlay | levi: seems pretty presumptious |
| 22:51.23 | levi | findlay: You should read the slides. |
| 22:51.33 | elg | sigh. my fellow TA knows basically no java |
| 22:51.42 | levi | http://herpolhode.com/rob/utah2000.pdf |
| 22:51.50 | Keighvin | findlay: I'm trying to come up with a reason why not that doesn't involve a pejoritive in your direction. |
| 22:51.56 | elg | and was a computer engineering undergrad. i.e. programs like an engineer, to the extent that he programs |
| 22:52.00 | elg | (no offense jsmith ;-) |
| 22:52.06 | Keighvin | (or language that would get me banned from #utah) |
| 22:52.10 | levi | elg: That doesn't sound too bad, unless he's TAing for a Java class. ;) |
| 22:52.31 | elg | yes. a data structures class in java |
| 22:52.43 | levi | Keighvin: Have you ever read findlay's blog? Saying 'pianoforte' is nothing compared to that. |
| 22:52.50 | levi | elg: Uh oh. |
| 22:53.18 | elg | he's funny |
| 22:53.30 | elg | he's from india, has that usual indian gusto |
| 22:53.38 | elg | zipping around the room trying to help people |
| 22:53.50 | elg | when anyone actually needs help, he usually has to fetch me |
| 22:54.12 | elg | but he watches. maybe he's learning too. hopefully |
| 22:54.50 | elg | it's a sophomore class, so the coding isn't too advanced. it's a good bet he knows more java than the average student |
| 22:57.04 | findlay | Keighvin: why so pejorative towards pianoforte? Do violoncello and Contrabass incite the same malice? |
| 22:57.33 | findlay | Keighvin: I like to think about things differently sometimes I guess |
| 23:00.04 | Keighvin | findlay: Excellent, I love the restating of pejorative with the corrected spelling right next to other misspellings. |
| 23:01.50 | findlay | Keighvin: what have I misspelled? |
| 23:02.38 | Keighvin | I guess it's not "right next to" in terms of screen real-estate. |
| 23:02.49 | Keighvin | Thinking back to the annihilate command to ibot. |
| 23:03.31 | findlay | ~lart today |
| 23:04.12 | Keighvin | And different is all well and good, but to use it this way comes off as a little pretentious. |
| 23:04.28 | Keighvin | Part of intelligence is the application of tact. |
| 23:07.23 | harleypig | :D :D :D "Java fan boys: don't take heart. Your baby's still ugly as all get out" |
| 23:07.27 | harleypig | That's hilarious |
| 23:07.29 | findlay | Keighvin: I have no tact |
| 23:07.54 | findlay | and I don't presume (at least consciously) to intelligence |
| 23:10.31 | levi | C'mon, findlay is all about ostentatious language. It's his schtick. |
| 23:10.38 | findlay | you could justifiably interpret my statement above about thinking differently that I'm wierd to the extent of obtuseness |
| 23:11.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Is anyone here familiar with star/snowflake DB schemas? |
| 23:11.58 | *** join/#utah ScytheBlade1 (n=Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1) |
| 23:17.02 | levi | Should I be? |
| 23:22.05 | beandog | now thats a new one |
| 23:22.08 | beandog | libtool: compile: unable to infer tagged configuration |
| 23:24.57 | ^Migs^ | I prefer db schemas in the shape of kittens |
| 23:26.12 | beandog | everytime you use mssql, god kills a kitten |
| 23:26.15 | findlay | I like schemas that are defined with large, ostentationus, supercillious, surreptitious words |
| 23:26.31 | ^Migs^ | and isn't that what schemas are really about anyway? |
| 23:38.53 | findlay | guess he didn't like my fancy words ): |
| 23:47.12 | findlay | now everybody's leaving ): |
| 23:48.24 | *** part/#utah tene (n=tene@poipu/supporter/slacker/tene) |
| 23:48.27 | *** join/#utah tene (n=tene@poipu/supporter/slacker/tene) |
| 23:51.23 | findlay | ~findlay tene |
| 23:51.25 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps tene. |
