| 00:00.38 | maquis | nick125_lappy: if i upgrade to linux 4, will my printer work? |
| 00:03.21 | nick125_lappy | maquis: probably too old to work |
| 00:03.21 | maquis | nick125_lappy: sad |
| 00:03.22 | beandog | what printer |
| 00:03.22 | beandog | whats it doing? |
| 00:03.25 | maquis | nick125_lappy: do the new printers work in linux 4? |
| 00:03.42 | maquis | beandog: printers and i just don't get along |
| 00:03.56 | beandog | yah, same here. |
| 00:04.04 | beandog | gotta get one with ipp support |
| 00:04.14 | beandog | or an hp |
| 00:04.25 | beandog | that's the sum of printer advice I contain. |
| 00:04.48 | maquis | i've got an hp |
| 00:04.55 | maquis | but it appears to have more of hardware issues atm |
| 00:05.01 | beandog | hmm. |
| 00:05.03 | beandog | suck. |
| 00:05.11 | beandog | well you know they sell those things only to make money on toner anyway. |
| 00:05.17 | maquis | because it does weird stuff even if it's not plugged into a computer |
| 00:05.20 | maquis | beandog: toner? |
| 00:05.23 | beandog | when the cartridge costs the same as a new printer, you know something funky is going on. |
| 00:05.25 | maquis | it's not a laser-printer |
| 00:05.33 | maquis | it's the deskjet 9800 |
| 00:05.34 | beandog | yah, mine wigs out too. |
| 00:05.59 | maquis | :) |
| 00:06.04 | beandog | are you using their drivers? |
| 00:07.43 | bonez39 | maquis, is the 9800 a pretty reliable machine? |
| 00:07.55 | maquis | bonez39: well... i've had it for a little over a month |
| 00:08.04 | maquis | and i've printed about 4 pictures on it |
| 00:08.08 | maquis | and 1 test page |
| 00:08.37 | maquis | but uh... it had better be... i paid good money for it! |
| 00:09.46 | Keighvin | I like to pay bad money. Or evil money, when I can get it. |
| 00:15.19 | rsimpkins | Hi all, who is in charge of the UTOS conference? |
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| 00:40.13 | goozbach | yay atlanta |
| 00:40.29 | goozbach | yay park city |
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| 00:45.07 | findlay | Keighvin: do you ever use ugly money? |
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| 01:38.26 | decriptor | when is the next plug meeting |
| 01:39.34 | thesuper` | -lart brac |
| 01:40.03 | thesuper` | ~whaleslap brac |
| 01:40.16 | ibot | ACTION beats brac upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 01:40.50 | decriptor | anyone alive around here :) |
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| 02:20.34 | tene | decriptor: yeah |
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| 04:05.52 | rsimpkins | Anyone from UTOS about? |
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| 04:24.41 | maquis | rsimpkins: what's your question? |
| 04:30.55 | tensai | anybody else notice that openclue hasn't updated since yesterday? |
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| 04:38.37 | dataw0lf | tensai: ? |
| 04:38.53 | dataw0lf | tensai: seems updated to me |
| 04:39.15 | tensai | dataw0lf: what story do you see on top? |
| 04:39.19 | tene | Ooo. Native support for my wireless card finally seems to be working. |
| 04:39.57 | dataw0lf | "Security Indicators Are Largely Ignored" |
| 04:39.59 | tensai | Phil Windley, Security Indicators Are Largely Ignored. 2/7/2007 01:19 |
| 04:41.01 | tensai | he's posted 5 things since then |
| 04:41.11 | dataw0lf | ah, huh |
| 04:41.21 | tensai | I only noticed because I finally posted and I wanted to see my name in lights |
| 04:41.23 | dataw0lf | I just saw 'Feb 7th' and was confused |
| 04:43.43 | tensai | at least I know I'm not going crazy |
| 04:43.57 | tensai | ~seen ggundy |
| 04:44.20 | ibot | ggundy <n=ggundy@160.7.251.57> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 111d 9h 46m 58s ago, saying: 'Don't settle for anything less then Type 1'. |
| 04:46.44 | tene | Hmm. Maybe it doesn't work so well after all. |
| 04:47.14 | elg | tensai: what card? |
| 04:47.37 | tensai | elg: what what card? |
| 04:47.37 | tene | broadcom something |
| 04:47.38 | elg | tensai: phil is our most prolific poster, I think. although he does have some rivals |
| 04:47.47 | elg | oh, tene |
| 04:48.38 | tene | It can scan for APs just fine... |
| 04:48.42 | elg | ~spell punxatawney |
| 04:51.34 | findlay | ~spell qwertyuioplkjhgfdsazxcvbnm |
| 04:51.53 | findlay | that's it |
| 04:52.10 | findlay | I'm feeling Tsiolkovsky's overcomplexity's excavating kaffeeklatsches Blavatsky's |
| 04:52.22 | findlay | ibot: how did you know? |
| 04:53.00 | findlay | why do I feel instinctive uncomfortable when there are girls in my apartment? |
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| 04:54.25 | tene | |
| 04:54.34 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.44 | tene | Hmm. |
| 04:54.45 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.59 | tene | it's not sending any packets out, or maybe not receiving any. |
| 04:55.00 | elg | findlay: a girl bore you |
| 04:55.17 | findlay | and I'm not that great |
| 04:55.35 | maquis | ok... stupid question |
| 04:55.57 | elg | more than that, if you can find an instance of HumanBeing that is "no good", your statement is proven. |
| 04:56.03 | maquis | i'm working in html, and i've got a div, but when i create the div, i want to tell it what the background color in that div should be |
| 04:56.08 | findlay | maquis: proceed, for are we not alive but to ask and answer stupid questions? |
| 04:56.20 | findlay | maquis: CSS? |
| 04:56.28 | maquis | findlay: yes |
| 04:56.36 | elg | i don't think the philosophers anticipated HTML |
| 04:56.38 | findlay | maquis: no I meant that as the answer |
| 04:56.38 | maquis | but i want to be able to change the background color from what is in the CSS file |
| 04:56.44 | tene | Although... I forgot to set the WEP stuff when I was testing by hand. |
| 04:56.50 | maquis | findlay: ok... then how do i do that? |
| 04:57.07 | tene | <div id="omgthisisadiv">stuff</div> |
| 04:57.15 | tene | then the css file: |
| 04:57.24 | findlay | maquis: not sure. Try some variation of background-color: 00FF00; until you get syntax highlighting in vim |
| 04:57.28 | tene | #omgthisisadiv { background-color: black; } |
| 04:57.36 | maquis | no... not what i'm wanting |
| 04:57.41 | elg | #omgponies { background-color: pink; } |
| 04:57.54 | maquis | see... i want the same div class to be able to have whatever background-color i pass it |
| 04:58.01 | maquis | because the background-color is stored in a db |
| 04:58.03 | findlay | ah |
| 04:58.11 | maquis | and i'm pulling it out in perl when i create the page |
| 04:58.19 | findlay | you want the color to be at the templating level? |
| 04:58.43 | findlay | template the CSS or put the color statement in the <div> tag |
| 04:58.47 | tene | <div style="background-color: omgponies"> |
| 04:59.00 | elg | what's wrong with <div style="background-color: hotpink">omgponies</div> |
| 04:59.10 | maquis | tene: elg: that's what i wanted! |
| 04:59.11 | maquis | thanks! |
| 04:59.13 | findlay | but generally prevailing wisdom is to seperate presentation from function |
| 04:59.24 | elg | unless ponies are involved |
| 04:59.25 | findlay | hey, I helped too ): |
| 04:59.33 | maquis | findlay: thanks! |
| 04:59.37 | findlay | (-: |
| 04:59.56 | maquis | findlay: yeah... separating presentation from function is great... i just need to be able to send something about the presentation along |
| 05:00.00 | findlay | when ponies are involved the rules are totally different |
| 05:00.18 | findlay | maybe you need to rethink how you're doing it? |
| 05:00.45 | elg | maquis: I think you should avoid breaking the presentation wall. you need to use javascript, flash, and DHTML to change the background color of the div in order to maintain the purity of separation |
| 05:01.15 | findlay | maquis: like <div class"normal-div-class"> but <div class="normal-div-class" class="we've-got-a-bogey"> if there's something exceptionable |
| 05:01.23 | elg | flash 9 of course. nothing less will do |
| 05:02.21 | findlay | I'm not saying you have to do it that way, but that's what most people say, and I don't necessarily endorse it |
| 05:05.09 | elg | ~spell dynamical |
| 05:05.24 | elg | ~dict dynamical |
| 05:05.46 | elg | ~dict dynamical 2 |
| 05:05.53 | elg | ~dict 2 dynamical |
| 05:06.10 | elg | ~dict 3 dynamical |
| 05:06.43 | elg | thanks for nothing ibot |
| 05:06.54 | findlay | ~thank ibot for nothing |
| 05:06.54 | ibot | de rien, findlay |
| 05:07.00 | findlay | ibot: np |
| 05:07.02 | ibot | well, np is \"no problem\", or \"null pointer\", or \"no pants\", or non-deterministically polynomial, or ¡ningún problema!, or \"Now Playing\", an abbreviation used by those lame mIRC/WinAmp plugins |
| 05:07.26 | elg | no pants. that's what he meant |
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| 05:30.06 | tene | turned WEP off on my router and then back on, then unloaded and load the wireless card driver a couple of times, and now it works. |
| 05:30.15 | tene | yay wireless |
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| 05:54.32 | findlay | ~hax0r tene's 'wireless' |
| 05:54.39 | tene | ono |
| 05:56.54 | findlay | ~h4X0r tene's 'wireless' |
| 05:56.56 | ibot | ACTION comandeers tene's 'wireless' to order a case of popcorn |
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| 06:42.12 | tene | Anyone here feel like explaining a C error message to me? |
| 06:54.35 | goozbach | yay! utah |
| 06:55.28 | tene | /usr/include/linux/wireless.h:646: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ‘__s32’ |
| 06:56.24 | tene | The error is occuring in the first element of this struct: |
| 06:56.34 | tene | struct iw_param |
| 06:56.34 | tene | { __s32 value; /* The value of the parameter itself */ __u8 fixed; /* Hardware should not use auto select */ __u8 disabled; /* Disable the feature */ __u16 flags; /* Various specifc flags (if any) */ |
| 06:56.38 | tene | }; |
| 06:57.15 | goozbach | ~wiki google |
| 06:57.23 | tene | Bah. |
| 06:57.27 | tene | I'll google *you*! |
| 06:57.36 | goozbach | hmm |
| 06:58.50 | tene | Okay, I guess it's a change in the kernel api vs. the code I'm compiling, according to google. |
| 06:59.22 | goozbach | anyone else having problems getting to wikipedia? |
| 06:59.46 | tene | I'm not |
| 07:00.20 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Isn't it like 2 a.m. there? |
| 07:00.32 | goozbach | not here |
| 07:00.43 | fozzmoo | goozbach: No? |
| 07:00.45 | tene | And yeah, I should have just asked google. |
| 07:00.59 | fozzmoo | tene: Sounds like you're on the right path. |
| 07:01.06 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Where the heck are you? |
| 07:01.11 | goozbach | magna |
| 07:01.19 | fozzmoo | you craphead! |
| 07:01.42 | fozzmoo | You come here and you don't tell me you're coming!? |
| 07:01.45 | fozzmoo | you suck. |
| 07:02.00 | goozbach | fozzmoo: I'm being a yuppie snowboarder |
| 07:02.10 | fozzmoo | And this is different how? |
| 07:02.26 | fozzmoo | Any faceplants this time? |
| 07:02.40 | goozbach | haven't started yet |
| 07:02.42 | fozzmoo | How long you in town? |
| 07:02.49 | goozbach | till tuesday |
| 07:03.04 | fozzmoo | k. |
| 07:05.00 | goozbach | this is weird: sciesnet.net is a holding ground for davean's sub-domains and a way of allowing universal unique resource resolution, it does not primarily support the HTTP protocol, this message is merely here to help the many of you confused by this. All content is handled by other URLs. |
| 07:05.14 | goozbach | that's what I get if I connect directly |
| 07:05.37 | goozbach | to wikipedia.org |
| 07:05.45 | fozzmoo | DNS hijacking? |
| 07:05.53 | goozbach | if I go through my proxy it's fine |
| 07:05.58 | goozbach | fozzmoo: that's what I'm thinking |
| 07:06.00 | fozzmoo | Weird. |
| 07:12.34 | findlay | wikipedia.org comes up for me |
| 07:12.52 | fozzmoo | me too |
| 07:17.28 | findlay | ~dig wikipedia.org |
| 07:19.43 | goozbach | hmm |
| 07:23.18 | fozzmoo | hmm? |
| 07:23.26 | findlay | hmm! |
| 07:24.14 | fozzmoo | goozbach: you got time to come out for dinner while you're in town? |
| 07:42.04 | fozzmoo | okay then. |
| 08:00.09 | goozbach | sorry fozz, I disconnected because of the issues I was having |
| 08:05.48 | goozbach | not that he can hear me anyway |
| 08:10.33 | tene | My IRC session runs on one of his servers. It's possible that he spies on my IRC logs. |
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| 12:51.06 | bonez41 | morning, jsmith |
| 12:51.17 | jsmith | Good morning. |
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| 14:36.34 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 14:39.35 | elg | i guess i should see what it is |
| 14:53.18 | herlo | I've found an interesting question with umask. And I am curious how to solve it...maybe I am missing something... |
| 14:53.26 | herlo | I run 'umask 011' |
| 14:53.33 | herlo | then touch afile |
| 14:53.50 | herlo | -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 Feb 8 07:53 afile |
| 14:53.57 | herlo | is what ls -l afile gives me |
| 14:54.11 | herlo | but, it should be -rw-r-xr-x instead. |
| 14:54.17 | herlo | any reason why that doesn't work... |
| 14:54.28 | elg | i don't think touch changes permissions |
| 14:54.30 | elg | or are you creating it with touch? |
| 14:55.01 | herlo | creating with touch |
| 14:55.04 | elg | isn't 1 for execute? |
| 14:55.08 | herlo | yep |
| 14:55.16 | herlo | but default perms are 0666 for files |
| 14:55.32 | elg | you're masking off execute |
| 14:55.32 | herlo | so a umask of 0011 should result in 0655 AFAIK |
| 14:55.54 | herlo | I understood it to be simple subtraction |
| 14:56.00 | herlo | not masking bits |
| 14:56.33 | elg | if you want -rw-r-xr-x then you want mode 0655. you want ~0655 as your umask |
| 14:56.55 | herlo | hmm |
| 14:57.03 | elg | well, probably not precisely because you probably don't want to mask execute on the first octet |
| 14:57.19 | elg | also, notice that you'd get -rw-r--r-- not -rw-r-xr-x |
| 14:57.28 | elg | because files by default don't have execute permissions, regardless of umask |
| 14:57.34 | herlo | no I get rw-rw-rw- |
| 14:57.41 | elg | it would apply to a new directory though |
| 14:57.48 | elg | right, because you're only masking off execute |
| 14:58.10 | elg | if you made a new directory, with umask 0011 I'd wager you get -rwxrw-rw- |
| 14:58.11 | herlo | yeah, it's just strange that it would be on bitwise. And after all this time, I just barely have run into it... |
| 14:58.20 | herlo | yes, it does result in that |
| 14:58.23 | elg | that's why it's called umask. :) |
| 14:58.29 | herlo | yeah, yeah |
| 14:58.31 | herlo | :) |
| 14:58.52 | redbeard1 | ~lart elg |
| 14:58.59 | herlo | the problem is that redhat lies about it in its manuals |
| 14:59.11 | herlo | if what you say is true anyway |
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| 15:00.22 | elg | if you look at it as 7 minus umask, then take off execute bits if it's a normal file |
| 15:00.22 | atoponce | openclue not updating? |
| 15:00.25 | elg | that might work |
| 15:00.38 | herlo | so the question is, if I wanted to have a file be created with rw-r-xr-x (or something similar), I challenge anyone to find me a useful umask |
| 15:00.39 | elg | but bit masking is simpler to understand |
| 15:00.50 | elg | you can't |
| 15:01.09 | elg | you can get rw-r--r-- (644) with 022 |
| 15:01.13 | herlo | but it seems reasonable to want to have execute on.. |
| 15:01.17 | elg | and then chmod go+x |
| 15:01.20 | herlo | hmm |
| 15:01.29 | elg | no normal file has execute perms by default |
| 15:01.30 | herlo | I know all that |
| 15:01.43 | herlo | I understand that too, just seems like you should be able to set it... |
| 15:01.46 | elg | things like compilers might look at umask, but I don't know for sure |
| 15:01.57 | herlo | in a umask, but what you say does make sense |
| 15:02.02 | elg | umask only takes effect on file creation, or when the app is umask-aware |
| 15:02.15 | herlo | I just don't like it |
| 15:02.18 | herlo | ;) |
| 15:02.37 | herlo | elg: tx |
| 15:02.44 | elg | rx |
| 15:12.58 | ^Migs^ | “You know my son-in-law is a computer guy for Microsoft. He says that most of the problems in Windows are caused by third party software that shouldn’t be installed in Windows. He says that computers with Windows that have only Microsoft applications installed run just fine. He is really good at his job, gets paid very well. If the district was smart they would hire people like him but they could never afford him." |
| 15:13.39 | ^Migs^ | -- reportedly said by one of our teachers :) |
| 15:17.17 | atoponce | if the windows os only ran microsoft-developed applications, then there not only would be very little software available, but there would be plenty of problems |
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| 15:19.44 | ^Migs^ | indeed |
| 15:19.58 | ^Migs^ | we have a forum where our techs can vent |
| 15:20.04 | ^Migs^ | that was from one of the posts |
| 15:20.29 | ^Migs^ | that's not the official purpose, of course. It's mostly to share tech tips and stuff, but I thought that was funny |
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| 15:34.13 | elg | levi: this is kind of neat |
| 15:34.13 | elg | http://flickr.com/photos/aaronp/tags/graphviz/ |
| 15:37.01 | ^Migs^ | http://ryanesaki.com/blog/2007/02/06/amazing-3-year-old-artist/ |
| 15:41.29 | atoponce | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/lolwtfomgbbqm8 |
| 15:41.30 | brac | [Flash » LOLWTFOMGBBQM8] |
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| 16:41.23 | Jayce^ | wheee.. plug.org will be offline for a little while this morning.. |
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| 16:46.40 | goozbach | fozzmoo: sorry for the no response. i got scared and completly rebuilt the network connection last night |
| 16:46.59 | fozzmoo | Didn't mean to scare you. |
| 16:47.03 | goozbach | didnt see you leave till after i ironed out my problems |
| 16:47.09 | fozzmoo | It wasn't like a date or anything. |
| 16:47.23 | goozbach | it seemed that there was some dns hijacking |
| 16:47.23 | fozzmoo | I just wondered if you wanted to come have dinner with me AND MY FAMILY. |
| 16:47.39 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you around this weekend? |
| 16:47.41 | fozzmoo | I wasn't thinking of breaking out the candles and the mood music. |
| 16:47.51 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: I call dibs on him FIRST! |
| 16:47.53 | Jayce^ | hitting the ghost town on saturday :) |
| 16:48.03 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: ghost town?! |
| 16:48.15 | fozzmoo | You're going to Ogden?! |
| 16:48.18 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, remember that one place you played? out by tooele? |
| 16:48.22 | fozzmoo | Yeah! |
| 16:48.27 | Jayce^ | that place |
| 16:48.30 | fozzmoo | Ooooh. |
| 16:48.38 | goozbach | ghost town?! |
| 16:48.39 | fozzmoo | I'm in 100x better shape now than I was then, too. |
| 16:48.42 | goozbach | dang |
| 16:48.50 | Jayce^ | saturday morning... Special Ops factory team wants to play my team in some pickup games |
| 16:48.59 | fozzmoo | Oh- not an open game, eh? |
| 16:49.06 | fozzmoo | All teamy. |
| 16:49.09 | Jayce^ | open game, but based around our guys |
| 16:49.13 | goozbach | but i'm snowboarding this weekend |
| 16:49.21 | fozzmoo | s/snowboarding/faceplanting/ |
| 16:49.21 | Jayce^ | so anybody can come, and will be added into other teams.. |
| 16:49.31 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 16:49.33 | Jayce^ | goozbach, paintball with DE *and* SpecOps |
| 16:50.05 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Cant you snowboard in the afternoon? |
| 16:50.14 | fozzmoo | goozbach: let's go get painted! |
| 16:50.35 | goozbach | but i didnt bring my gear |
| 16:50.40 | Jayce^ | see above |
| 16:51.38 | goozbach | but ive got people who are comming out here to go snowbboarding with me |
| 16:51.59 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: My daughter will kill me if I go and don't bring her along. |
| 16:52.07 | Jayce^ | goozbach, so do that in the afternoon.. |
| 16:52.13 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, cool, bring her |
| 16:52.15 | fozzmoo | Yeah. |
| 16:54.03 | Jayce^ | just think goozbach, paint and board, same day.. |
| 16:54.12 | Jayce^ | "can it get better? I submit that it cannot!" |
| 16:54.49 | goozbach | i'll think about it |
| 16:54.50 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: Better submit some women. |
| 16:55.24 | fozzmoo | you know, for goozbach's sake. :) |
| 16:55.54 | goozbach | i've got a woman |
| 16:56.03 | goozbach | in atlanta |
| 16:56.04 | Jayce^ | hey, your daughter is coming :-p |
| 16:56.11 | Jayce^ | goozbach, riiiiiiiiiight |
| 16:56.35 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Wha?! |
| 16:56.38 | fozzmoo | WHA?! |
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| 16:58.06 | goozbach | 5gtg phonecalls to make |
| 17:01.17 | elg | look at that Jayce^, you made him go binge shopping at a car dealership |
| 17:01.43 | elg | goozbach: is that five phonecalls where you say gtg, or gtg cuz i've got to make five phone calls? |
| 17:01.45 | Jayce^ | wow, never knew I had it in me |
| 17:02.21 | elg | so is plug.org down, or is it just me? |
| 17:02.38 | Jayce^ | it's down |
| 17:02.47 | Jayce^ | AC/power issues atm |
| 17:03.08 | elg | ok, np. |
| 17:03.21 | elg | I did scroll back to see if you mentioned it, but I probably wasn't here |
| 17:16.34 | harleypig | Someone's got way too much time on their hands: http://excelsi.org/tower/ |
| 17:16.46 | harleypig | 3d text version rogue like game |
| 17:16.50 | harleypig | check the screenshots |
| 17:17.18 | Jayce^ | rock on |
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| 17:22.16 | poningru | looking for Zelut I think |
| 17:22.24 | poningru | Zelut: ping |
| 17:24.10 | elg | what a zelus thing to do |
| 17:24.37 | harleypig | I can't get past the start screen though. and if I touch a key it dies. |
| 17:27.06 | Zelut | poningru: pong |
| 17:27.56 | Jayce^ | harleypig, aren't you supposed to be working? |
| 17:28.40 | maquis | harleypig: wow |
| 17:28.42 | maquis | that rocks! |
| 17:29.23 | maquis | but on another level, it's *so* wrong |
| 17:31.20 | Jayce^ | maquis, so you're saying it's an MLM, I *knew* it... |
| 17:31.29 | Jayce^ | harleypig is mlm spamming #utah |
| 17:31.35 | maquis | Jayce^: mlm? |
| 17:32.10 | elg | you know, like melahawaiiajuiceextract |
| 17:32.32 | maquis | why doesn't windows recognize that alt-right-click means "send this window to the back"? |
| 17:37.34 | ^Migs^ | it does? |
| 17:39.44 | fozzmoo | maquis: The same reason it doesn't give you "No, but I'll do it anyway" as an option when it asks "Do you want to reboot your computer now?" dialog. |
| 17:39.47 | harleypig | I'll take the spam spam spam spam spam spam eggs and spam |
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| 17:41.07 | harleypig | Anyone used/using Citadel for family purposes? |
| 17:41.56 | maquis | fozzmoo: my favorite is the "i just updated your computer. do you want to reboot? <yes> |
| 17:41.59 | maquis | " |
| 17:42.13 | maquis | usually it has a "later" button that's greyed out |
| 17:49.52 | harleypig | "You've just moved your mouse. A reboot is required." |
| 17:51.18 | harleypig | AGhhh ... that stoopid program turned off my auto-repeat for my keyboard. |
| 18:01.55 | levi | So, is there a better router buy than the WRT54GL right now? |
| 18:02.08 | fozzmoo | For a router? Or for a WAP? |
| 18:02.24 | levi | Well, I'd like a router/switch/wireless combo. |
| 18:02.24 | fozzmoo | I buy those and just use em as a WAP. |
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| 18:02.39 | fozzmoo | Probably not. :) |
| 18:02.52 | levi | My current switch is old and flaky, my wireless is 802.11a, and I have no router. :) |
| 18:03.06 | levi | 802.11b, I mean. |
| 18:03.06 | fozzmoo | Sounds like a good purchase to me. :) |
| 18:03.21 | fozzmoo | I've got three. I love em. |
| 18:03.23 | levi | I just switched to comcast internet, and now I have no LAN. |
| 18:03.33 | fozzmoo | I'm sorry. |
| 18:03.35 | levi | Since apparently they only give out one IP. |
| 18:03.36 | fozzmoo | Was DSL not available? |
| 18:03.49 | fozzmoo | You've been Comcastigated! |
| 18:04.00 | levi | The highest DSL speed I could get was 256k, and the signal was just barely stable with that. |
| 18:04.06 | fozzmoo | Ew. That sucks. |
| 18:04.10 | levi | No kidding. |
| 18:04.15 | Jayce^ | only problem I've had with the 48GL is they have serious issues with iChat video/audio conferencing (any that use the same protocols) |
| 18:04.36 | Jayce^ | have to do some port forward/triggering magic to work, and then it only works in certain situations... |
| 18:04.43 | fozzmoo | H.263? |
| 18:04.48 | levi | Jayce^: Is that with the default firmware, or other firmware, or both? |
| 18:04.59 | Jayce^ | default.. |
| 18:05.12 | Jayce^ | you have to have the latest version of their firmware to get it to work at all.. |
| 18:05.50 | levi | Well, the point of getting the GL would be to put one of the open firmware packages on it, unless that's even worse. |
| 18:06.13 | Jayce^ | no, my problem is having to do this on my in-laws in CA and PA |
| 18:06.32 | Jayce^ | not going to flash up with anything they can't be talked through |
| 18:08.18 | levi | Ahh. |
| 18:09.36 | levi | Anyone here have experience with OpenWRT and any issues it might have? |
| 18:10.16 | graphyx | redbeard1: your server offline? |
| 18:10.35 | Jayce^ | I used it for a while, then flashed back to default to help the in-laws... also the version I had for a little while began locking up, but that was just one specific version.. |
| 18:12.40 | redbeard1 | graphyx: yeah |
| 18:14.54 | graphyx | why? |
| 18:15.18 | fozzmoo | Man, I hate this new spam technique. |
| 18:15.32 | fozzmoo | It started with subject lines containing news headlines. |
| 18:16.08 | fozzmoo | I just got spam with a subject line about a "new book from O'Reilly and Associates" |
| 18:16.16 | fozzmoo | Got me to open it. Grrrrrr. |
| 18:17.41 | jsmith | Lucky you... |
| 18:18.13 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, yeah, O'Reilly radar was talking a little about it, they seem to be pulling a lot of those from highly pageranked topics |
| 18:18.32 | redbeard1 | graphyx: jayce probably knows better than i do... his server's affected by the same thing |
| 18:18.56 | redbeard1 | ...and the plug server too |
| 18:19.10 | graphyx | ahh |
| 18:19.11 | graphyx | ok |
| 18:19.17 | graphyx | all the same thing |
| 18:19.35 | fozzmoo | I've become severely disinterested in male enhancement and investing. Now I'm going to become calloused to geek topics now too! Wahhhh! |
| 18:19.38 | graphyx | just wasn't expecting that it would be down. |
| 18:20.55 | elg | levi: I use openwrt |
| 18:21.08 | redbeard1 | elg: how do you like that? |
| 18:21.09 | elg | it works great |
| 18:21.13 | *** topic/#utah by fozzmoo -> The channel for OSS discussion in the great notched state | http://www.plug.org/node/28 | plug.org is down. Nobody will say why. |
| 18:21.23 | elg | I don't push the envelope too much, but I do like it |
| 18:21.25 | redbeard1 | fozzmoo: it's a conspiracy |
| 18:21.29 | elg | i've done openvpn on it |
| 18:21.43 | findlay | there's tons of stuff you can do with openwrt |
| 18:21.46 | elg | etc. |
| 18:21.47 | fozzmoo | elg: Wow. That's cool. |
| 18:22.15 | redbeard1 | i currently have dd-wrt installed, and i'm not having much luck with it. is it easy to switch to openwrt? |
| 18:22.18 | findlay | webserver, ser, fileserver, openvpn, whatever |
| 18:22.27 | findlay | asterisk |
| 18:22.50 | elg | levi: I like my buffalo |
| 18:22.51 | elg | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833162173 |
| 18:22.55 | elg | I think that's the same one |
| 18:23.01 | findlay | redbeard1: yeah it's pretty easy from what I've seen |
| 18:23.39 | elg | 5 port switch, 802.11b/g, openwrt-ready |
| 18:24.35 | levi | elg: Ahh, I knew I could count on a more frugal option from you. :) |
| 18:24.47 | elg | at your service :) |
| 18:25.00 | levi | elg: Are you running OpenWRT on it? |
| 18:25.03 | elg | yes |
| 18:25.16 | levi | Works well, I suppose? |
| 18:25.32 | elg | i even had it doing 802.11 peer bridge to the lan for a while, using openwrt when my dsl was upstairs and we were moved downstairs |
| 18:25.39 | elg | yup. trouble-free |
| 18:25.51 | levi | Excellent. |
| 18:25.52 | elg | and cute. |
| 18:26.12 | elg | do you want me to verify the model no? |
| 18:26.34 | elg | ok, I will. http://hans.fugal.net/typo/articles/2006/06/22/buffalo-airstation-whr-g54s |
| 18:26.34 | brac | [Buffalo AirStation WHR-G54S] |
| 18:27.26 | elg | that's about the default firmware, but it does confirm the model no |
| 18:29.09 | fozzmoo | elg: The link from that blog to Buffalo's site doesn't work anymore. |
| 18:29.32 | elg | pity. don't you love webrot? |
| 18:30.38 | fozzmoo | Hmm. They don't even have a page for that product anymore. :( |
| 18:30.56 | fozzmoo | I wonder if OpenWRT will run on any of their 125,N, or MIMO products. |
| 18:30.57 | elg | yeah. silly companies only want to tout their latest product line |
| 18:31.14 | levi | Woo, I should have a router soon. |
| 18:31.16 | elg | all depends on the chipset, I wager |
| 18:32.27 | levi | So, anyone want to buy an Actiontec? ;) |
| 18:32.40 | fozzmoo | Oh geeez. The Buffalo Wireless-N Nfiniti router/access point is "certified to work with Windows Vista" |
| 18:32.44 | fozzmoo | levi: 701? 704? |
| 18:32.51 | fozzmoo | levi: I'll buy. |
| 18:33.04 | levi | I don't recall what model number it is. I'll have to look it up when I get home. |
| 18:33.15 | fozzmoo | Okay. |
| 18:33.18 | fozzmoo | Let me know. |
| 18:33.32 | fozzmoo | Always seems like we need a spare DSL modem. |
| 18:33.39 | levi | I have upgraded it to firmware that actually works, so aside from the issue that you have to reboot a lot to configure it, I was fairly happy with it. |
| 18:33.54 | fozzmoo | As the Cisco 678s get older, they seem to be getting flakier. |
| 18:34.01 | fozzmoo | It's sad. |
| 18:34.11 | dataw0lf | mine died two weeks ago |
| 18:34.12 | dataw0lf | :\ |
| 18:34.16 | levi | Yeah, it's sad when old reliable hardware goes south. |
| 18:34.18 | macnewbold | really? I still haven't had trouble with any of mine |
| 18:34.29 | levi | My ancient switch is like that. |
| 18:34.34 | macnewbold | you can still find new ones on ebay for under $100, and used for $50 or less |
| 18:34.38 | levi | I bought it back when I was at BYU. |
| 18:34.46 | fozzmoo | Mine at home is still chuggin, but we've seen a few of them go kaboom. |
| 18:35.08 | fozzmoo | And, yeah, you can still buy them on EBay for $30+ |
| 18:35.16 | fozzmoo | But you can get an Actiontec 704 too |
| 18:35.22 | fozzmoo | and they're almost as good... and newer. |
| 18:35.30 | fozzmoo | I just wish thy had a serial port. |
| 18:35.35 | dataw0lf | I completely distrust Actiontec still. |
| 18:36.25 | fozzmoo | I don't trust them either, but when XMission told me they're "almost nice" I figured, eh, what the heck. |
| 18:36.40 | fozzmoo | The newest models, that is. |
| 18:36.44 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 18:36.46 | fozzmoo | Not the old ones with the hump in the top. |
| 18:37.00 | dataw0lf | the ones that had issues with Linux DNS? |
| 18:37.15 | fozzmoo | Yeah. |
| 18:37.31 | fozzmoo | Of course, not using the router as a DNS proxy is always a better way to go. |
| 18:37.33 | dataw0lf | I hate em. Spent hours trying to figure out what was wrong when I got mine |
| 18:37.50 | fozzmoo | Yeah- It's fun finding them at hotels... |
| 18:37.54 | fozzmoo | with no password protection. |
| 18:37.57 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 18:38.04 | dataw0lf | they run busybox, no? |
| 18:38.18 | fozzmoo | The new ones do, I think. Not sure about the old ones. |
| 18:38.37 | dataw0lf | the gt701 did, I believe. |
| 18:38.44 | fozzmoo | 704 probably too. |
| 18:39.07 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 18:39.08 | fozzmoo | Just got a 704 on Ebay. $40 something w/ shipping. Guy included a filter and the USB cable. |
| 18:39.10 | levi | What's the difference between the 701 and the 704? |
| 18:39.10 | macnewbold | I've got a gt701 if someone wants to buy it |
| 18:39.19 | macnewbold | model #? |
| 18:39.21 | fozzmoo | I think a 4-port switch. |
| 18:39.29 | fozzmoo | 701 only has one ethernet port. |
| 18:39.34 | levi | Ahh. Mine must be a 701, then. |
| 18:39.37 | macnewbold | could be - 701 has only a wan and a lan port |
| 18:39.39 | levi | A 701-wg, that is. |
| 18:39.45 | rsimpkins | Hey, is plug.org down? |
| 18:40.03 | rsimpkins | Ahh. |
| 18:40.23 | rsimpkins | I'll say why then 'why why why why why why why!?!??!' |
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| 18:44.18 | graphyx | the difference between 704 and 701? 3 of course |
| 18:45.37 | findlay | ~diff 704 701 |
| 18:45.40 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 18:45.53 | findlay | +4 |
| 18:45.55 | fozzmoo | And it's true another way. 3 ethernet ports. |
| 18:45.55 | findlay | -1 |
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| 19:02.27 | elg | 701 runs busybox |
| 19:16.30 | fozzmoo | levi: $30? |
| 19:17.27 | elg | make him throw in a recording of bovine diction |
| 19:17.38 | fozzmoo | heh. |
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| 19:32.31 | findlay | man, why do we have to wait all the way until the end of February for RHEL5? |
| 19:32.53 | elg | hell won't be quite frozen over until then. |
| 19:33.17 | jsmith | findlay: So they can get hardware vendors to be ready with drivers, etc. |
| 19:34.05 | findlay | I want python-2.5 |
| 19:34.48 | dataw0lf | or at least 2.4 |
| 19:34.59 | findlay | yeah |
| 19:36.01 | elg | there's a simple solution |
| 19:36.23 | dataw0lf | I love the with operator in 2.5, though. |
| 19:36.40 | dataw0lf | and generator.send, .throw, .close mmmm |
| 19:40.19 | elg | what is the name of this greek letter? ν |
| 19:40.31 | findlay | ? |
| 19:40.39 | findlay | it's a question mark |
| 19:42.19 | elg | nu |
| 19:55.42 | QBFreak | a nu-question mark? |
| 20:00.12 | dataw0lf | http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/ |
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| 20:06.03 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.53 | elg | lol |
| 20:07.40 | harleypig | well, I mean, it's a joke even if it were for real ... but you know what I mean ... did someone ac tually do this study? |
| 20:07.46 | dataw0lf | hehe, it's actual research |
| 20:09.12 | dataw0lf | I know Vawter |
| 20:09.28 | harleypig | Interesting ... so now we're going to start seeing geeks walkng around with foil wrapped gps devices. |
| 20:10.27 | dataw0lf | http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/ |
| 20:10.42 | graphyx | That is hilarious. |
| 20:10.48 | Keighvin | Ah, that one - OK. |
| 20:11.26 | Keighvin | Yeah, Farraday cages don't work unless they're grounded - all you have is an antenna otherwise. |
| 20:11.52 | dataw0lf | Faraday* |
| 20:12.00 | graphyx | Really? |
| 20:12.24 | Keighvin | s/Farraday/Faraday/ |
| 20:12.25 | rsimpkins | elg: Hey there. |
| 20:12.33 | graphyx | I thought that the effect of killing my phone signal when getting in the car was very effective. |
| 20:12.51 | Keighvin | Sorry, I phonetically blended that with "ferrous" |
| 20:12.59 | harleypig | ! That's the concept I was thinking of! My cubie is a Faraday cage. |
| 20:13.04 | graphyx | making the car a sort of Faraday cage |
| 20:13.30 | Keighvin | It has a full circuit with a ground that you'd be intersecting with. |
| 20:13.50 | harleypig | My cubie? |
| 20:14.00 | Keighvin | No, graphyx's car. |
| 20:14.07 | dataw0lf | graphyx: just think of it in the terms that you have your very own TEMPEST shielding! |
| 20:14.08 | harleypig | ah |
| 20:14.10 | Keighvin | Your cubie is open to the world. My nerf knows this. |
| 20:14.23 | graphyx | What part of the car is grounded |
| 20:14.35 | Keighvin | I'm also willing to bet that the amount of magnetic interference in your cube is abnormally high. |
| 20:14.39 | graphyx | The tires are non conducting rubber |
| 20:14.46 | Keighvin | graphyx: the negative pole on the DC. |
| 20:15.09 | harleypig | http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF207-Gingerbread_Man.jpg#197 |
| 20:15.12 | brac | [The Perry Bible Fellowship] |
| 20:15.26 | graphyx | With harleypig I would be more worried about the digestational interference. |
| 20:15.36 | Keighvin | So, you're not grounded to *Earth*, but you are grounded so far as the surrounding circuit is concerned. After that, it's a matter of how well that circuit distributes or interferes with the intersecting signal. |
| 20:15.51 | harleypig | digestational? |
| 20:16.07 | graphyx | digestion |
| 20:16.07 | Keighvin | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1583940790/ref=cm_gift_gg_1583940790/102-8160348-2094521 |
| 20:16.19 | rsimpkins | My Dad was a firefighter for Las Vegas for years. One year a firefighter sued the city because he got brain cancer, and he blamed it on the city for building a firehouse too close to a high-tension power line. |
| 20:16.57 | harleypig | oh ... I'm slow on the pickup sometimes. |
| 20:17.19 | Keighvin | s/ sometimes//g; |
| 20:17.29 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.31 | ^Migs^ | I don't understand that comic, harleypig |
| 20:17.40 | harleypig | uh |
| 20:17.46 | harleypig | Really? |
| 20:18.53 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: The old lady is building a man out of gingerbread in hopes it will come alive and dance around! |
| 20:19.32 | harleypig | Notice the chipendale type bowtie |
| 20:19.41 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 20:19.44 | ^Migs^ | the thong confused me |
| 20:19.57 | ^Migs^ | that was too vague |
| 20:20.10 | harleypig | The web needs context markers ... I still can't tell if you're pulling my leg or not. |
| 20:20.19 | ^Migs^ | no, I really didn't get it |
| 20:20.34 | harleypig | http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF085AD-Lumberjack.jpg#155 |
| 20:20.35 | brac | [The Perry Bible Fellowship] |
| 20:20.39 | ^Migs^ | I didn't know that (a) that was a gingerbread man, not a gingerbread woman, and (b) that she wanted it to come alive |
| 20:20.55 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 20:21.00 | ^Migs^ | there we go, that's a good one |
| 20:21.05 | harleypig | :] |
| 20:21.36 | dataw0lf | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/02/02 |
| 20:21.37 | brac | [Penny Arcade! - The Manifold Faces of Vista] |
| 20:22.20 | graphyx | http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF061AD-Photo_Album.jpg#131 |
| 20:22.23 | brac | [The Perry Bible Fellowship] |
| 20:22.53 | tene | http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF056AD-Volcano_Snails.jpg#126 |
| 20:22.57 | brac | [The Perry Bible Fellowship] |
| 20:23.22 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 20:24.17 | harleypig | http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF053AD-Lord_Gloom.jpg#123 |
| 20:24.19 | brac | [The Perry Bible Fellowship] |
| 20:25.03 | harleypig | http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF049AD-Chew_Boy.jpg#119 One of my favorites |
| 20:25.04 | brac | [The Perry Bible Fellowship] |
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| 20:26.14 | dataw0lf | http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF057AD-Super_League.jpg#127 |
| 20:26.18 | brac | [The Perry Bible Fellowship] |
| 20:26.26 | tene | I love the dog's expression in the second panel of "Chew Boy" |
| 20:27.26 | harleypig | http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF015AD-Freaking_Vortex.jpg#85 |
| 20:27.29 | brac | [The Perry Bible Fellowship] |
| 20:27.35 | harleypig | I like the recursiveness of that one. |
| 20:29.17 | dataw0lf | greatest comic ever: http://www.xkcd.com/c208.html |
| 20:29.18 | brac | [xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe] |
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| 20:31.29 | harleypig | 'beard gel' ... what a concept! |
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| 20:36.29 | harleypig | It bounced. |
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| 20:36.42 | maquis | ~lart SpecialZ |
| 20:36.53 | Keighvin | ~whaleflurry harleypig |
| 20:36.56 | ibot | ACTION unleashes a flurry of slaps at harleypig using Gilbert - the ideal whale for the job |
| 20:37.39 | harleypig | I know why plug is down. |
| 20:37.42 | harleypig | But I'm not saying why. |
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| 21:10.12 | harleypig | Can I just say "BAG IT" and play CS:S please? |
| 21:11.25 | harleypig | One of the top 10 lessons for surviving a zombie attack: Use your head--cut off theirs. |
| 21:27.13 | findlay | ~bag harleypig |
| 21:29.55 | Jayce^ | harleypig, I see you got a copy also :) |
| 21:30.39 | ^Migs0rz0rlolol | Anna Nicole Smith is dead: http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/02/08/anna.nicole.collapses/index.html |
| 21:30.40 | brac | [Anna Nicole Smith dies after collapsing in hotel - CNN.com] |
| 21:31.00 | Jayce^ | guess she didn't wan't that paternity test, eh? |
| 21:31.54 | dataw0lf | good riddance |
| 21:32.16 | findlay | I don't get it |
| 21:32.19 | ^Migs0rz0rlolol | haha, I told someone else about this, and he said, "that is SOOOO 15 minutes old" |
| 21:34.18 | dataw0lf | http://www.fon.com/1yearold/ |
| 21:34.19 | brac | [FON's first anniversary] |
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| 21:41.24 | dataw0lf | is there anyone who doesn't like CCR, honestly? |
| 21:41.41 | Jayce^ | how could you not? |
| 21:41.47 | dataw0lf | I have no idea. |
| 21:42.37 | findlay | is ther a way to tell what process overwrites RPM installations? |
| 21:43.45 | dataw0lf | what do you mean? |
| 21:45.49 | findlay | I installed an rpm via -Uvh and some daemon reverts it to a previous version of the package. I'd like to know the process responsible so I can destro it |
| 21:46.18 | findlay | s/destro it/destroy it!/ |
| 21:48.25 | dataw0lf | huh |
| 21:49.16 | dataw0lf | you could lsof an affected file to see, I guess. |
| 21:49.41 | SpecialZ | CCR rocks! |
| 21:49.43 | findlay | but I'd have to do that when it happnes |
| 21:49.54 | redbeard1 | http://www.kevinvanaelst.com/art.html |
| 21:50.45 | findlay | I guess I can check the ctime and then plan my attack |
| 21:51.22 | bonez39 | anyone know when or if Palm plans to offer the new 750 with Palm/linux OS instead of WinCE? |
| 21:52.13 | dataw0lf | well, they offered the 700p, I'd assume they'd still do so |
| 21:52.45 | nick125_lappy | bonez39: I hope so..... |
| 21:53.43 | graphyx | What is CCR? |
| 21:54.12 | dataw0lf | credence |
| 21:54.17 | findlay | ~ccr |
| 21:54.35 | graphyx | A band ok |
| 21:54.57 | graphyx | hence them rocking |
| 21:54.57 | dataw0lf | not just any band |
| 21:55.12 | findlay | ~rock ccr |
| 21:56.10 | redbeard1 | yay! my server is back! |
| 22:01.55 | nick125_lappy | Ugh |
| 22:01.58 | nick125_lappy | I hate taxes |
| 22:02.10 | nick125_lappy | And, I hate tax-preparing programs even more |
| 22:02.13 | nick125_lappy | none of them support linux |
| 22:03.25 | nick125_lappy | they don't support linux |
| 22:03.27 | nick125_lappy | at all |
| 22:03.37 | dataw0lf | TurboTax Online? |
| 22:03.45 | nick125_lappy | nope |
| 22:03.48 | Jayce^ | I know a few people who've done it in linux |
| 22:03.55 | ^Migs^ | http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72680-0.html?tw=rss.technology |
| 22:03.57 | Jayce^ | via their online |
| 22:03.58 | brac | [Wired News: Next-Gen Smasher To Cost $6.6B] |
| 22:03.59 | nick125_lappy | I tried it, and, it gave me a browser incompatibility error |
| 22:04.00 | dataw0lf | I've done it online on Linux |
| 22:04.17 | nick125_lappy | Saying that my OS/Browser is not supported, and to upgrade my browser |
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| 22:05.19 | nick125_lappy | I'm tired of getting the shaft just because I use linux! |
| 22:06.03 | beandog | girls wont date me because I use linux |
| 22:06.07 | redbeard1 | i've done mine in linux for the past two years using turbotax |
| 22:06.08 | beandog | at least, that's what I tell myself |
| 22:06.28 | ScytheBlade1 | beandog, girls just give me INCREDIBLY odd looks. |
| 22:06.35 | findlay | I hate turbotax |
| 22:06.38 | findlay | they are evil |
| 22:06.48 | ScytheBlade1 | beandog, then again, I'm sitting there not running X, but rather vim in a terminal taking notes at school |
| 22:07.10 | beandog | ScytheBlade1: just tell them youre changing your grade in the school's system |
| 22:07.12 | beandog | that'll impress em |
| 22:07.46 | ScytheBlade1 | beandog, they'll still be frozen on the fact that the mouse pad does nothing at all, not even a cursor |
| 22:08.03 | findlay | nick125_lappy: user agent switcher? |
| 22:08.05 | findlay | (: |
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| 22:08.51 | findlay | ScytheBlade1: no gpm? |
| 22:09.11 | ScytheBlade1 | findlay, nah, no need. |
| 22:09.59 | findlay | yeah, but it does come in handy when you need copy+paste for longs strings like URL's and stuff across applications |
| 22:10.21 | findlay | s/longs/long |
| 22:10.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm taking notes in school, commonly from powerpoints or verbal instruction ;) |
| 22:10.52 | findlay | and typing it up into LaTex decorated markup? (-: |
| 22:11.29 | findlay | I geuss you could as easily create a highly customized vim syntax plugin for notes |
| 22:11.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I actually just started messing with LaTeX yesterday |
| 22:11.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I like what I've seen, which is admittedly little |
| 22:11.49 | findlay | TeX roxorz |
| 22:12.25 | findlay | don't be afraid to use the resources on ctan. Documentation is often hard to find, but it's there somewhere |
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| 22:12.46 | ScytheBlade1 | That said, all of my notes are currently just in plain text format with a fair number of tabs scattered around |
| 22:12.55 | ScytheBlade1 | (And also kept in a subversion repo) |
| 22:13.07 | findlay | nice |
| 22:13.19 | ScytheBlade1 | http://boredom.brantleyonline.com/?p=43 <-- me |
| 22:16.17 | ScytheBlade1 | afk for a bit, then I have some general tex questions ;) |
| 22:19.14 | tene | findlay: screen's copy/paste support works pretty well |
| 22:19.40 | findlay | haven't used it yet |
| 22:21.20 | Keighvin | I've used the Lilypond notation engraving add-on to TeX, and the results were awesome. |
| 22:23.38 | findlay | lilypond is fun |
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| 22:41.07 | ScytheBlade1 | lilypond? |
| 22:49.46 | Keighvin | ScytheBlade1: For making sheet music, the TeX way. |
| 22:49.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Keighvin, ah |
| 22:50.00 | Keighvin | http://paultomlinson.net/music.php |
| 22:50.01 | brac | [paul l. tomlinson :: music] |
| 22:50.11 | Keighvin | Has a sample document source and rendered PDF. |
| 22:51.17 | ScytheBlade1 | That's really quite impressive |
| 22:52.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't suppose you know of a good "getting started" site for latex in general? |
| 22:53.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Or anyone else for that matter |
| 22:53.20 | Keighvin | http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dwilkins/LaTeXPrimer/ |
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| 22:54.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Awesome, thank you |
| 22:55.22 | Keighvin | meh. |
| 23:05.51 | tyce | anyone played with damn small linux? |
| 23:06.23 | tyce | wondering if I should be able to get it installed on my ipod shuffle as the primary drive in my mythfrontend |
| 23:10.36 | tensai | nick125: I did my taxes at hrblock last year from linux. I used turbo tax online a few years ago but things obviously could have changed. |
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| 23:45.35 | fozzmoo | Getting Started With Latex. |
| 23:45.40 | fozzmoo | Hmmm. |
| 23:45.42 | fozzmoo | Sounds kinky |
| 23:46.50 | ScytheBlade1 | It is ;) |
| 23:46.59 | elg | could be more kinky. keep trying |
| 23:49.52 | fozzmoo | Oh, now my 8-yr old daughter is in tears because I took over her computer via VNC |
| 23:50.08 | fozzmoo | I'm a terrible dad. |
| 23:50.18 | Supaplex | virtualize++ |
| 23:50.28 | findlay | you let her run windows?! |
| 23:51.00 | elg | lol |
| 23:51.32 | findlay | that's a failing indeed, but I cannot laugh at it |
| 23:51.45 | fozzmoo | findlay: My daughter thinks Windows is better than Linux. |
| 23:51.57 | findlay | don't know what to tell you |
| 23:52.15 | fozzmoo | For what she does (play games), Windows IS better. |
| 23:52.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Does she have admin rights? |
| 23:52.47 | fozzmoo | heh. no. |
| 23:53.03 | ScytheBlade1 | You could be a worse father then. ;) |
| 23:53.10 | fozzmoo | The kids do boot into Linux quite often, tho. |
| 23:53.17 | fozzmoo | They play Tux Racer and Super Tux all the time. |
| 23:53.28 | fozzmoo | Maya (8) plays neverball a lot too. |
