| 00:03.03 | vontrapp | anyone else have problems with gmail? |
| 00:03.17 | vontrapp | it likes to crash firefox just about 100& of the time |
| 00:03.52 | macnewbold | ? |
| 00:04.05 | macnewbold | hasn't happened to me, and I've been using both together for a long time |
| 00:04.33 | vontrapp | maybe it's the 64 bit |
| 00:07.35 | macnewbold | hm, could be |
| 00:07.54 | macnewbold | I'm on a 64-bit freebsd 6 box, but using a 32-bit linux firefox binary |
| 00:08.01 | macnewbold | (makes flash happier that way) |
| 00:09.23 | beandog | flash is a pita, no matter the arch |
| 00:09.36 | beandog | not that Im bitter or anything |
| 00:09.49 | beandog | vontrapp: what version of firefox |
| 00:10.13 | vontrapp | 2.0.0.1 |
| 00:10.45 | vontrapp | how does one go about running 32bit firefox on ubuntu? |
| 00:11.23 | beandog | Im sure you can find a precompiled binary |
| 00:11.27 | beandog | of course you mght need the binary libs too |
| 00:11.30 | beandog | at least on gentoo we do |
| 00:11.31 | beandog | brb |
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| 00:20.54 | nick125_ | hey beandog |
| 00:21.04 | beandog | oy |
| 00:21.31 | beandog | whats up nick125 |
| 00:21.54 | nick125_ | not too much, you? |
| 00:22.30 | beandog | just trying to beat this dual core into submission |
| 00:23.49 | nick125_ | give it to me, ill do it :-) |
| 00:24.04 | beandog | heh |
| 00:24.27 | maquis | mmm... submission... |
| 00:24.40 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 00:24.41 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 00:24.44 | dataw0lf | o_O |
| 00:25.16 | nick125_ | hahaha |
| 00:25.41 | maquis | it's like when you beat milk into butter |
| 00:25.46 | maquis | butter tastes good |
| 00:26.12 | ScytheBlade1 | So do 64-bit binaries! |
| 00:26.22 | maquis | yup |
| 00:26.29 | ScytheBlade1 | /usr/bin/gaim: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 00:26.30 | ScytheBlade1 | mmmm |
| 00:26.34 | dataw0lf | err |
| 00:26.35 | dataw0lf | shut* |
| 00:26.37 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 00:28.32 | beandog | erm |
| 00:28.40 | beandog | I need a good network monitoring gui something. |
| 00:28.45 | beandog | like gkrellm |
| 00:28.47 | beandog | or something. |
| 00:29.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Suggestion for you |
| 00:29.11 | ScytheBlade1 | <beandog> like gkrellm |
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| 01:04.26 | beandog | kexec |
| 01:04.28 | beandog | that looks cool. |
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| 01:22.36 | emcnabb | adding a terabyte to an online ext3 filesystem with resize2fs takes a while... |
| 01:23.01 | emcnabb | s/terabyte/terabyte of disk/ |
| 01:28.34 | QBFreak | so, I have this SCSI CD tower and I don't know what to do with it |
| 01:28.41 | QBFreak | surely there is some use left for it |
| 01:33.34 | levi | Replace the CDROM drives with SCSI disks? |
| 01:34.37 | fozzmoo | 9GB SCSI drives with 50-pin interfaces! :) |
| 01:36.02 | emcnabb | off to go change another poopy diaper! |
| 01:37.32 | QBFreak | I don't have any SCSI HDDs, I might have a coupld of 4x burners but thats about it |
| 01:38.29 | QBFreak | this would be a lot cooler if it had the SCSI CD changers in it |
| 01:38.46 | levi | QBFreak: There aren't any CD drives in it?! |
| 01:39.10 | QBFreak | it has seven CD-ROM drives |
| 01:39.13 | QBFreak | nothing fancy at all |
| 01:40.00 | levi | Okay, here are some plausible uses. End table. Footrest. Decorative piece in a 'retro-tech' style. |
| 01:40.17 | QBFreak | heh |
| 01:40.36 | QBFreak | I think I'll put the scsi card back in the windows box and see if I can set up any sort of mass ripping, if so my boss can use it |
| 01:41.06 | levi | "Mass ripping" sounds so much more cool than it actually is. |
| 01:41.15 | QBFreak | heh |
| 01:42.06 | QBFreak | those poor books-on-CD wont stand a chance |
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| 01:55.29 | findlay | where do you make the distinction between enumerating and indexing? |
| 01:55.57 | vontrapp | q |
| 01:56.05 | findlay | ah |
| 01:56.10 | findlay | that's right |
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| 02:12.25 | mrpull- | 'evening |
| 02:15.30 | mrpull- | it's time to buy an all-in-one printer |
| 02:15.36 | mrpull- | any recommendations? |
| 02:15.40 | Supaplex | don't |
| 02:15.48 | mrpull- | i don't have to pay for it |
| 02:16.03 | mrpull- | really i need a fax machine |
| 02:16.07 | Supaplex | but will you have to live with it when its fatdriver pukes on itself? |
| 02:16.37 | mrpull- | yeah. a dedicated fax actually might be nice. |
| 02:17.43 | Supaplex | if you're hooked on an all in one, think consumables. eg, how much is ink. how long does that last. |
| 02:18.03 | Supaplex | and does $OS support it... |
| 02:18.16 | mrpull- | consumables isn't a huge concern, my wife's employer will pay for those |
| 02:18.24 | mrpull- | i'm thinking low end laser anyway |
| 02:18.46 | Supaplex | that might not be too bad... |
| 02:23.16 | vontrapp | what package provides development man pages? |
| 02:38.17 | Supaplex | on debian you can use apt-file to find out. |
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| 03:09.09 | justingiboney | how can I tell what version of Java JDK I have (ubuntu) |
| 03:14.41 | linuxalien | magic |
| 03:26.48 | Supaplex | taste it |
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| 06:11.17 | bonez41 | boo |
| 06:12.05 | bonez41 | who? |
| 06:21.14 | nomasteryoda | lol |
| 06:21.31 | nomasteryoda | boo went nitenite |
| 06:21.35 | nomasteryoda | -zzzzzzzza |
| 06:21.38 | nomasteryoda | azzzzzzzzzzzzzzz\\ |
| 06:25.16 | bonez41 | and everyone else? nite nite too? |
| 06:39.02 | Supaplex | nay |
| 06:42.14 | levi_home | So, who is this nomasteryoda person? :) |
| 06:44.05 | vontrapp | it's not me |
| 06:44.41 | Supaplex | I'm poor |
| 06:46.26 | levi_home | That's too bad. Money is nice to have. |
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| 06:49.39 | levi_home | Hi, zerdith. |
| 11:54.49 | nomasteryoda | hey ... i was at the BrainShare 2005 on special invite from Novell |
| 11:55.22 | nomasteryoda | got to met Nat and some folks from plug |
| 11:55.55 | nomasteryoda | it was a great time ... got to tour Novell in Provost |
| 11:56.40 | nomasteryoda | i'll try to visit more often.. i just found the channel whilest surfing the lists |
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| 14:24.49 | goozbach | ~schlock |
| 14:25.35 | ibot | why do *THEY* get to soften all the deck plates? |
| 14:25.36 | goozbach | ibot: shut up |
| 14:25.39 | ibot | i'm sorry, master goozbach |
| 14:28.15 | elg | ibot, soften goozbach |
| 14:36.29 | goozbach | ~schlock |
| 14:36.31 | ibot | I find the taste of gunmetal soothing |
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| 14:54.04 | goozbach | ~seen jsmith |
| 14:54.29 | ibot | jsmith <n=jsmith@h460569d0.area3.spcsdns.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk-doc, 17h 42m 27s ago, saying: 'There's some kind of realtime cache that fixes that.'. |
| 15:01.17 | goozbach | stupid capslock |
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| 15:08.55 | ^Migs^ | http://www.thesneeze.com/mt-archives/cat_steve_dont_eat_it.php |
| 15:08.57 | brac | [The Sneeze - Half zine. Half blog. Half not good with fractions.] |
| 15:19.39 | ^Migs^ | http://www.thesneeze.com/art/pupapix/opencan300.jpg |
| 15:19.45 | ^Migs^ | omg silkworm pupas in a can? |
| 15:20.36 | ^Migs^ | lol: http://www.thesneeze.com/art/pupapix/fancy350.jpg |
| 15:24.13 | ^Migs^ | http://www.firefoxflicks.com/flick/index.php?id=19542&c=false |
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| 16:24.02 | ^Migs^ | <Feb 6, 2007 9:18:13 AM MST> <Warning> <WLW> <000000> <Id=top-level; Method=com.bea.p13n.controls.login.UserLoginControl.login(); Failure=com.bea.p13n.controls.exceptions.P13nControlException: Cannot log in user: jesus [ServiceException]> |
| 16:25.47 | graphyx | I don't think that He would ever have problems forgetting His password. |
| 16:26.44 | ^Migs^ | that's what I thought. If anyone could log it, 'twould be the Son of God |
| 16:26.47 | ^Migs^ | *log in |
| 16:31.14 | graphyx | ^Migs^: do you guys use BEA a lot? |
| 16:31.44 | graphyx | make sure you keep it updated. I seem to recall that it has had a lot of security holes. |
| 16:35.25 | ^Migs^ | we usually do |
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| 16:35.44 | ^Migs^ | and yes, there are quite a few holes. We're upgrading to the latest v9.2 soon |
| 16:36.22 | ^Migs^ | I'd rather migrate to Struts + Eclipse or something, but I don't know how soon that would happen |
| 16:37.47 | graphyx | It always concerns me when a flagship product routinely has large security holes in it. |
| 16:38.13 | ^Migs^ | I'm not a huge fan of our WebLogic Server, personally, but for now we're kind of married to it |
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| 16:49.52 | ^Migs^ | BEA is just used for our portal right now. I think we'd favor OSS or third-party solutions for other large products. |
| 16:50.16 | ^Migs^ | typically other departments just go out and buy third-party products without thinking about how they're going to properly integrate with the other departments. It's kind of unfortunate. |
| 16:50.59 | ^Migs^ | so now we're just left with a different system in human resources, another system to track employee leave, another one for elementary schools, another system in payroll... |
| 16:51.11 | ^Migs^ | it's kind of a mess |
| 16:52.01 | ^Migs^ | the problem is the directors in these other departments rarely think outside the box. they're only concerned with THEIR job and how the people directly under them will function |
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| 16:52.50 | maquis | ok... can someone help me out with something |
| 16:52.59 | Jayce^ | probably not |
| 16:53.17 | maquis | i've got a file, and it's nicely broken up by lines and such in linux, and if i open it in vim in windows |
| 16:53.20 | dataw0lf | if it involves terrorists, I'm down. |
| 16:53.22 | dataw0lf | oh, nm. |
| 16:53.27 | maquis | but i'm sending it to someone who uses notepad and such |
| 16:53.41 | maquis | and when i open it in notepad, it all comes out in one big huge line... |
| 16:53.53 | ^Migs^ | no word wrap? |
| 16:53.57 | ^Migs^ | have him use WordPad instead |
| 16:54.03 | maquis | ^Migs^: not quite what i'm looking for |
| 16:54.17 | maquis | i want it to have line-breaks where it does in linux |
| 16:54.19 | ^Migs^ | yeah, NotePad doesn't always do line breaks |
| 16:54.28 | ^Migs^ | people who use NotePad know that when that happens, they have to use WordPad instead |
| 16:54.39 | maquis | well.. what i want is what i'm supposed to put in $foo in the following command |
| 16:54.46 | maquis | :%s/\n/$foo/g |
| 16:55.13 | graphyx | maquis: just use dos2unix or the unix2dos command on the fil. |
| 16:55.17 | graphyx | file |
| 16:56.10 | maquis | graphyx: will try that |
| 16:56.19 | graphyx | k |
| 16:56.22 | ^Migs^ | cool! |
| 16:56.46 | graphyx | I think it is a standard linux tool |
| 16:57.02 | ^Migs^ | apparently I don't know standard linux too well :) |
| 16:57.07 | maquis | that's very helpful |
| 16:57.08 | graphyx | I expect it to be there by default. |
| 16:57.15 | ^Migs^ | expect nothing |
| 16:57.26 | graphyx | it worked for you+ |
| 16:57.27 | graphyx | ? |
| 16:57.29 | maquis | i don't generally send files to windoze that often, but when i do, it always does weird stuff |
| 16:57.33 | maquis | graphyx: yup |
| 16:57.35 | maquis | it worked |
| 16:57.38 | graphyx | ok |
| 16:57.59 | graphyx | which is why someone put together that command I am sure. |
| 16:58.12 | maquis | yup :) |
| 16:58.15 | maquis | thx |
| 16:58.27 | graphyx | Glad to be able to help |
| 16:58.56 | graphyx | to make up for all the questions that I have asked. |
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| 17:02.24 | redbeard1 | correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't the 3.5" refer to the size of the platters, not the entire drive? |
| 17:06.46 | macnewbold | yes, IIRC |
| 17:14.28 | beandog | be careful about dos2unix / unix2dos |
| 17:14.32 | beandog | old versions change the file permissions. |
| 17:22.56 | redbeard1 | http://www.deathclock.com/ |
| 17:22.58 | brac | [The Death Clock - When Am I Going To Die?] |
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| 17:26.59 | jsmith | redbeard1: 2064, eh? |
| 17:28.34 | redbeard1 | i have until 2012 |
| 17:28.48 | redbeard1 | apparently sadism shortens your lifespan considerably |
| 17:29.08 | fozzmoo | masochism even more. |
| 17:29.25 | redbeard1 | fozzmoo: that's exactly what i was thinking. i wonder why it wasn't an option? |
| 17:29.49 | ^Migs^ | wtf? Saturday, March 11, 2028 |
| 17:30.09 | ^Migs^ | haha, you're right. With sadism, it's 2016 |
| 17:30.25 | ^Migs^ | if I'm optimistic, it's Saturday, June 18, 2072 |
| 17:30.49 | ^Migs^ | how can attitude affect your lifespan by that many years? |
| 17:31.10 | redbeard1 | maybe if you hurt enough people, they all gang up on you eventually |
| 17:31.37 | ^Migs^ | hmm, apparently I'm obese |
| 17:31.45 | ^Migs^ | funny, cuz I don't look particularly obese |
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| 17:32.55 | Jayce^ | Saturday, August 21, 2055 |
| 17:36.19 | harleypig | Saturday, January 24, 2032 |
| 17:36.57 | harleypig | I'll be just shy of my 66th birthday. |
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| 17:37.55 | harleypig | If I'm optimistic it'll be a week before my 82nd birthday. |
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| 17:39.33 | levi | redbeard1: According to wikipedia (for whatever that's worth) the 3.5" drive size really does refer to the fact that it fits in a 3.5" floppy drive space. |
| 17:40.26 | redbeard1 | levi: yeah, i know. i used to be a hardware guy. now i'm just the village idiot. |
| 17:40.43 | levi | redbeard1: Not as bad as sjansen. ;) |
| 17:40.50 | redbeard1 | well... you got me there |
| 17:40.51 | graphyx | websense lists it as tasteless so it was filtered for me. |
| 17:41.01 | redbeard1 | websense? |
| 17:41.03 | levi | I figured it might be platter size, too. |
| 17:41.23 | graphyx | proxy filtering database |
| 17:42.47 | redbeard1 | that's just silly. wikipedia isn't tasteless. sometimes it's bitter, and other times it's pretty sweet. |
| 17:43.14 | graphyx | I meant deathclock |
| 17:43.28 | redbeard1 | oh. yeah, that's just a bitter pill. |
| 17:43.49 | redbeard1 | had i known i only had another 5 years to live, i would have drank more. |
| 17:43.51 | redbeard1 | er. i mean. |
| 17:54.51 | ^Migs^ | is there a way to use regex to force a filename to 6 digits, appending 0s on the front? |
| 17:55.09 | ^Migs^ | like say I have 1040.jpg, it would become 001040.jpg |
| 17:56.36 | findlay | use zero padding? |
| 17:57.08 | ^Migs^ | thanks |
| 17:57.18 | levi | Well, you can probably regex-match the number and then printf to expand it. |
| 17:57.55 | findlay | padding is more of a string format idea than a regular expression idea |
| 17:58.18 | ^Migs^ | this probably needs to be a regex idea |
| 17:58.25 | ^Migs^ | actually nm, I'll make someone else do it |
| 18:01.45 | levi | There may be some crazy perl-only regex garbage that can do that, but that's yet another abuse of the 'regular expression' concept. |
| 18:02.48 | Jayce^ | no, regex is just the matching, not the replacing |
| 18:03.15 | fozzmoo | A printf()-type statement would work well for that. |
| 18:03.58 | levi | Jayce^: Have you guys got a watcher for when I say anything about perl? ;) |
| 18:04.23 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 18:04.25 | maquis | ~lart levi |
| 18:04.32 | levi | ~lart maquis |
| 18:04.32 | fozzmoo | ~perl levi |
| 18:04.34 | ibot | ACTION forces ^Migs^ to use perl |
| 18:04.45 | fozzmoo | ?? |
| 18:04.47 | UtahBot | ??[x]: Usage: ?? <word> [> nick] |
| 18:04.49 | levi | Hah! |
| 18:06.42 | elg | -rss hans |
| 18:06.42 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help rss' |
| 18:07.08 | elg | -rss show hans 1 |
| 18:07.08 | brac | lemme fetch it... |
| 18:07.08 | brac | Channel : The Fugue |
| 18:07.09 | brac | 2007/02/06 11.02.12 :: On rsync and unison @ http://hans.fugal.net/typo/articles/2007/02/06/on-rsync-and-unison |
| 18:07.09 | brac | 2007/02/05 19.03.42 :: Help! My MPlayer VIDIX output stopped working! @ http://hans.fugal.net/typo/articles/2007/02/05/help-my-mplayer-vidix-output-stopped-working |
| 18:07.19 | elg | um, that's 2. stupid bot |
| 18:07.43 | levi | We've got bot problems today, apparently. |
| 18:07.52 | goozbach | brac is broken |
| 18:08.13 | elg | anyway, good info on common rsync usage there |
| 18:08.31 | elg | if you use rsync much you should read it. then laugh at me for not knowing that stuff before. |
| 18:08.41 | ^Migs^ | ~perl ^migs^ |
| 18:08.43 | ibot | ACTION forces ^Migs^ to use perl |
| 18:08.53 | ^Migs^ | ~migs perl |
| 18:08.55 | ibot | ACTION forces perl to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 18:10.44 | harleypig | Hey can someone tell me how to get mplayer to tell me what the url of a stream its playing is? |
| 18:11.01 | elg | harleypig: strace |
| 18:11.30 | harleypig | err ... this is via mplayerplugin ... I *really* don't want to strace mozilla |
| 18:11.38 | elg | :) |
| 18:11.44 | elg | ltrace then |
| 18:11.50 | elg | or maybe tcpdump ;-) |
| 18:11.51 | fozzmoo | harleypig: Right-click? |
| 18:11.55 | fozzmoo | Copy URL. |
| 18:11.56 | harleypig | ? haven't heard of ltrace. |
| 18:12.44 | harleypig | fozzmoo: and choose what? mplayerplugin is apparently using the gui version. |
| 18:12.57 | harleypig | The closest I can see that might have it is the playlist, but that has garbage. |
| 18:13.10 | fozzmoo | I just remember a "Copy URL" type item from the right-click menu in mplayerplug-in |
| 18:13.37 | beandog | you can get mplayerplug-in to save all files it plays too |
| 18:13.54 | harleypig | yeah, but does it tell you the url of the stream its saving? |
| 18:14.17 | beandog | I think you can right click on it |
| 18:14.41 | beandog | or log it |
| 18:14.44 | beandog | http://rafb.net/p/UVvl0d80.html |
| 18:14.47 | beandog | theres mine if, that helps. |
| 18:15.24 | harleypig | Thanks. |
| 18:16.37 | beandog | you probably dont want to disable mp3s though, I have mine all go through audacious instead. |
| 18:17.08 | harleypig | Yeah ... with the exception of some minor differences (mp3s, noembed) it's the same as mine ... and it's not saving the stream. |
| 18:18.10 | beandog | Hmm. |
| 18:18.28 | beandog | what verison. |
| 18:18.31 | beandog | oh |
| 18:18.41 | beandog | you gotta remove ~/.mozilla/pluginreg.dat anytime you make changes to the config. |
| 18:18.52 | beandog | and restart mozilla/seamonkey/firefox |
| 18:19.37 | harleypig | really? I didn't know that. But that config has been that way for awhile. |
| 18:20.25 | elg | ltrace shows library calls |
| 18:20.25 | elg | less output than strace, sometimes still gets you the info you need |
| 18:21.56 | harleypig | elg: How will that help me find the url of the stream? |
| 18:22.34 | beandog | elg: thats cool, thanks |
| 18:22.34 | elg | it might use a library call to get the url |
| 18:22.39 | elg | or it might not |
| 18:23.09 | elg | mostly I was being funny. commentary on how difficult it is to get the swiss army knife of media players to do exactly what you want and nothing else |
| 18:24.20 | beandog | harleypig: try noembed, that'll pop it out in its own window |
| 18:24.29 | beandog | and then you have the mplayerplug-in window behind you, and you can right click on that. |
| 18:24.31 | beandog | I know that works |
| 18:24.44 | harleypig | Yeah, that's what I'm trying now. |
| 18:25.02 | harleypig | I just want to get KODJ's stream into amarok dangit ... it shouldn't be this hard. |
| 18:26.24 | beandog | url? |
| 18:26.31 | macnewbold | kodj++ |
| 18:26.35 | vontrapp | he doesn't have the url |
| 18:26.41 | beandog | of the website |
| 18:26.49 | beandog | :) |
| 18:26.50 | beandog | punks. |
| 18:26.53 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 18:27.26 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 18:30.23 | beandog | mms://a468.l2011645669.c20116.g.lm.akamaistream.net/D/468/20116/v0001/reflector:45669&CPROG=SIMULCAST&MARKET=SALTLAKECITY-UT&NG_FORMAT=oldies&NG_ID=kodj94fm&OR_NEWSFORMAT=Oldies&RVN_TZ=-7&SERVER_NAME=www.kodj.com&SITE_ID=943&STATION_ID=KODJ-FM&STATION_ID=KODJ-FM |
| 18:31.05 | beandog | harleypig: ^^ |
| 18:31.57 | harleypig | How did you find that? From mplayer? |
| 18:32.05 | elg | psychic powers |
| 18:32.22 | harleypig | Then he would've told me it sooner. :P |
| 18:32.34 | elg | takes a long time to type |
| 18:32.38 | elg | psychic powers don't have cut and paste |
| 18:32.51 | beandog | just right clicked on the mplayerplug-in thing, copy url |
| 18:32.51 | harleypig | Wouldn't be cool if they did?! |
| 18:33.00 | harleypig | I'm not seeing it ... |
| 18:33.25 | beandog | it was on the bottom part of that popup window for me |
| 18:33.28 | beandog | not seeing which part |
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| 18:36.17 | harleypig | I've clicked on a number of different places on the window that pops up and noplace has the option to Copy URL |
| 18:37.02 | elg | you must have MPlayer DRM Edition |
| 18:37.10 | harleypig | Oh ... wait ... there is a tiny little plus sign hidden in the upper right corner, almost overlaid by the X to close it. |
| 18:37.11 | harleypig | heh |
| 18:37.22 | harleypig | I clicked ont hat and I have a bunch of info about the stream. |
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| 18:39.30 | harleypig | AGGHH ... stupid close button was right next to what I wanted to click. |
| 18:41.29 | beandog | elg: heh |
| 18:42.07 | beandog | harleypig: you should just be able to right click on t he thing, hold on |
| 18:43.39 | beandog | meh. |
| 18:51.11 | Jayce^ | harleypig, serves you right. |
| 18:55.20 | harleypig | beandog: Yeah, clicking on the plus gave me what I wanted. |
| 18:55.27 | harleypig | thanks for your help. |
| 18:55.43 | harleypig | Jayce^: why? |
| 18:55.55 | Jayce^ | for being a masochist.. I've seen your desktop |
| 18:56.23 | redbeard1 | ot, but can anyone recommend any gourmet stores in salt lake? other than liberty heighs, tony caputos and pirate o's, of course |
| 18:56.27 | harleypig | That reminds me ... I need to get electricsheep going again for my root window. |
| 18:56.39 | redbeard1 | s/heighs/heights/ |
| 18:56.52 | harleypig | redbeard1: people would be asking *you* this question |
| 18:57.15 | redbeard1 | harleypig: that they did. and i'm looking for more options for them. |
| 18:57.24 | harleypig | AH. |
| 18:57.32 | harleypig | s/H/h/ |
| 18:57.48 | redbeard1 | there's wild oats, of course... |
| 18:58.47 | macnewbold | I don't know how much foodstuffs they carry, but Sur La Table has gourmet equipment etc. I think |
| 18:59.16 | elg | wild oats is a fancy name for rip off |
| 18:59.49 | redbeard1 | elg: agreed, but they're still not to be dismissed |
| 19:00.13 | vontrapp | my bro-in-law likes to go to good earth |
| 19:00.19 | vontrapp | don't know if that counts as gourmet |
| 19:00.46 | redbeard1 | good eats in orem? |
| 19:00.52 | redbeard1 | s/eats/earth/ |
| 19:00.53 | vontrapp | he doesn't do general grocery shopping there, but when he needs certain things that you can't find in your regular grocery store... |
| 19:01.02 | vontrapp | redbeard1: yeah |
| 19:01.15 | vontrapp | i got non-flouride toothpaste there :)p |
| 19:01.25 | redbeard1 | i'll remind him about those stores when he get back into utah county |
| 19:01.27 | vontrapp | s/p$// |
| 19:01.33 | redbeard1 | he's in downtown salt lake right now |
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| 19:17.38 | ^Migs^ | is it just me, or do all 1st-graders look alike? |
| 19:19.40 | graphyx | just you. |
| 19:22.32 | ^Migs^ | really? |
| 19:22.36 | ^Migs^ | that's weird |
| 19:22.50 | ^Migs^ | maybe it's just the asian 1st graders |
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| 19:43.28 | graphyx | that is possible |
| 20:00.35 | findlay | you can find lots of exotic grains at good earth |
| 20:04.07 | beandog | http://briancarper.net/2007/02/06/258/ |
| 20:04.10 | beandog | that's great. |
| 20:04.16 | beandog | windows-- |
| 20:05.32 | findlay | ~windows beandog |
| 20:05.42 | ibot | ACTION installs Windows ME on beandog's PC. |
| 20:11.21 | graphyx | We need to update that lart |
| 20:11.32 | graphyx | change it to windows vista |
| 20:13.24 | beandog | ME++! |
| 20:13.26 | beandog | huzzah! |
| 20:16.04 | dataw0lf | --YOU; |
| 20:17.20 | beandog | :) |
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| 20:18.06 | findlay | windows YOU? |
| 20:18.12 | findlay | ~soviet windows |
| 20:18.30 | fozzmoo | Windows FU |
| 20:18.55 | findlay | ~soviet windows |
| 20:18.56 | ibot | in soviet #utah windows installs YOU |
| 20:20.00 | beandog | lol |
| 20:20.04 | beandog | that is great |
| 20:23.26 | levi | Woo, a REAL bike ride out on the road. That felt good! |
| 20:23.38 | fozzmoo | Gonna be even warmer tomorrow. |
| 20:28.51 | fozzmoo | Why is he doing a MUD?!?! |
| 20:28.56 | fozzmoo | That is so 1993. |
| 20:28.57 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 20:29.00 | dataw0lf | HEY! |
| 20:29.37 | fozzmoo | Oh sorry. I must have said something sacrelige |
| 20:30.50 | levi | MUDs can still be fun, and it seems like he's doing it mainly as a programming exercise. Except he's doing just about everything exactly the opposite of the way he should due to some perverse sense of 'inefficiency' in the traditional way of doing things. |
| 20:31.58 | dataw0lf | I don't see how TCP versus UDP on a MUD is inefficient |
| 20:32.01 | findlay | s/due/what levi really meant there/ |
| 20:32.13 | findlay | oh, heh, read it wrong |
| 20:32.13 | dataw0lf | since you're going to have to do data verification in the code |
| 20:32.40 | levi | dataw0lf: None of his design changes really address any real inefficiencies, only his perceived inefficiencies. |
| 20:32.55 | dataw0lf | ah. |
| 20:32.57 | dataw0lf | the best kind. |
| 20:33.05 | levi | Right. |
| 20:33.10 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 20:33.49 | levi | His design is so incredibly stupid, and I tried to point it out where and how to improve it as nicely as I could, but he completely ignored me. |
| 20:37.58 | Jayce^ | levi, ignored? or didn't understand completely... |
| 20:38.19 | levi | Jayce^: Ignored. |
| 20:38.29 | levi | Jayce^: Did you follow the thread? |
| 20:42.05 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 20:42.27 | Jayce^ | just wondering though if the way he acted was because he didn't understand the point.. not purposefully ignoring |
| 20:43.11 | levi | Well, considering the lengths to which several of us went to describe the scalability issues of polling and per-connection threads... |
| 20:45.39 | fozzmoo | Is Thermal paste for CPUs electrically conductive or just thermally conductive? |
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| 20:45.43 | fozzmoo | Anyone know? |
| 20:46.26 | emcnabb | fozzmoo: Thermal |
| 20:46.34 | emcnabb | (from what I understand) |
| 20:46.38 | levi | I'm pretty sure it's not electrically conductive. It's likely an insulator. |
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| 20:47.19 | fozzmoo | That's what I thought. One of my guys used the whole packet of paste on a heatsink - stuff overflowed everywhere. |
| 20:47.45 | findlay | fozzmoo: here's an experiment: Get a sheet of some electrically neutral material, like paper, squeeze some thermal compound out onto the paper, go to the electronics store and buy a multimeter (a good one can be had for about $20), use the continuity function of your new multimeter on the paste, ??? PROFIT!!1 |
| 20:48.02 | findlay | ouch |
| 20:48.06 | levi | Yow. |
| 20:49.12 | fozzmoo | Yeah. Bad excuse. |
| 20:49.29 | fozzmoo | He said, "I figured, they supplied this for X CPU, they would know how much to include." |
| 20:49.41 | emcnabb | haha |
| 20:49.56 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 20:51.08 | ScytheBlade1 | heh @ http://blogs.zdnet.com/threatchaos/?p=311 |
| 20:51.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Map of the API calls that apache uses to serve a single page, vs. IIS |
| 20:57.20 | Jayce^ | yeah, blogged about that one just a little bit ago |
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| 20:58.38 | supaplex | fungus: PING :) |
| 21:07.17 | tene | fozzmoo: ping |
| 21:07.27 | fozzmoo | tene: pong |
| 21:16.31 | graphyx | ~ping |
| 21:16.32 | ibot | pong |
| 21:16.38 | graphyx | ~pong |
| 21:16.39 | ibot | PING! |
| 21:17.03 | graphyx | ~tabletennis |
| 21:17.14 | graphyx | ~table |
| 21:17.42 | graphyx | ibot, table is <reply> tennis |
| 21:17.44 | ibot | okay, graphyx |
| 21:17.47 | graphyx | ~table |
| 21:17.48 | ibot | tennis |
| 21:21.22 | maquis | ~ping graphyx |
| 21:21.24 | ibot | pong graphyx |
| 21:21.25 | tene | ~rlart |
| 21:21.47 | maquis | ~rlart |
| 21:27.34 | levi | ~lart maquis |
| 21:28.22 | graphyx | If it really is nukes wouldn't one be sufficient? |
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| 21:34.24 | levi | So, is nomasteryoda a master of saying no named yoda, or someone anonymous speaking out against master yoda? |
| 21:39.15 | graphyx | no no no you got it wrong |
| 21:39.28 | graphyx | it is saying no mas ter yoda |
| 21:39.34 | findlay | how come I never get an rlart? |
| 21:39.34 | graphyx | no mas means no more |
| 21:39.42 | findlay | I feel discrimintated against |
| 21:39.51 | graphyx | and he was saying it to yoda |
| 21:40.02 | graphyx | ~rlart findlay |
| 21:40.07 | graphyx | feel any better? |
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| 21:40.15 | findlay | yeah, that works |
| 21:49.05 | findlay | is there a CSS way to make a 'name : value' list, or do I have to use a table? |
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| 21:53.14 | findlay | http://mikecherim.com/experiments/css_double_lists.php |
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| 21:56.30 | sjansen | ~lart thaddeusq |
| 21:57.20 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The channel for OSS discussion | http://www.plug.org/node/28 |
| 21:58.00 | thaddeusq | ~spoon sjansen |
| 21:58.04 | ibot | ACTION gouges out sjansen's eyes with a small plastic spoon |
| 21:58.20 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The channel for OSS discussion | http://www.plug.org/node/28 | W00t! Less than 2 years until World Cup! |
| 21:58.44 | levi | http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/orl-bk-nasaastronaut0507feb05,0,6104316.story?coll=orl-home-headlines |
| 21:58.45 | brac | [Astronaut charged with attempted murder - Orlando Sentinel : Space & Science |
| 21:58.46 | brac | |
| 21:58.46 | brac | Astronaut charged with attempted murder - Orlando Sentinel : Space & Science] |
| 21:58.54 | harleypig | My brain hurts: if (''){if ('' != 'US') { country = '' } } |
| 21:59.43 | graphyx | are you on the daily dave archive list? |
| 21:59.54 | harleypig | Who me? |
| 22:01.32 | dataw0lf | harleypig: *blink* |
| 22:01.51 | findlay | heh |
| 22:02.01 | harleypig | My reaction was more along the lines of "Again?! *crack*" |
| 22:02.09 | levi | http://cag.csail.mit.edu/ps3/index.shtml |
| 22:10.35 | levi | harleypig: Is that from the codebase you're porting? |
| 22:13.14 | Jayce^ | levi, yeah, and it's an MIT guys code.... |
| 22:14.27 | levi | And it's perl code, too? |
| 22:14.42 | Jayce^ | Barely... |
| 22:15.54 | levi | Hey, if perl runs it, it's perl! |
| 22:17.33 | levi | That reminds me of some bizarre program that was simultaneously a correct program in some obscene number of languages. |
| 22:17.50 | macnewbold | harleypig: depending on the language, empty string should always be false, no? and for sure ''!='US' should always be true? |
| 22:18.08 | Jayce^ | macnewbold, yeah, this programmer always has tests as dumb as that.. |
| 22:18.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Awesome @ this text message I just got |
| 22:18.38 | macnewbold | that's a very odd way to comment something out... |
| 22:18.45 | Jayce^ | exactly |
| 22:18.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ".. and I were wondering if you could look at the reciptionist computer. I installed PC cillin and now it wont boot." |
| 22:19.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Yay for windows |
| 22:19.08 | nick125_lappy | I guess if the language fails that test, theres bigger issues then that.. |
| 22:19.10 | levi | Heh, "I were wondering" |
| 22:19.33 | ScytheBlade1 | "Person X and I" |
| 22:19.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I just removed the name |
| 22:19.52 | ScytheBlade1 | But <sigh> |
| 22:20.20 | findlay | hehe |
| 22:20.20 | nick125_lappy | you should convert them |
| 22:20.27 | levi | Ahh. |
| 22:20.29 | findlay | have fun with that one |
| 22:20.39 | ScytheBlade1 | It's this wonderful thing called vendor lock in |
| 22:20.51 | levi | Did the plug list fall over? |
| 22:21.16 | nick125_lappy | KQEMU is now GPL'ed..yay |
| 22:21.26 | Jayce^ | levi, ? |
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| 22:21.54 | levi | I don't think I got the last email I sent to it, nor any others since then. |
| 22:22.03 | elg | -lart UtahBot |
| 22:23.12 | levi | Maybe there just haven't been any more. |
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| 22:25.13 | bonez39 | what time is the meeting tonight for utaug? |
| 22:27.32 | levi | Man, is there any way to get the clock in a vmware virtualized Linux system to behave? |
| 22:29.49 | elg | i haven't followed the discussion closely but, |
| 22:30.24 | elg | aren't most of mr. mud's problems a direct result of not using a scripting language? |
| 22:30.37 | elg | levi: what's wrong with the clock? |
| 22:30.51 | levi | elg: It's perpetually off by huge amounts. |
| 22:31.08 | elg | after being shut down or asleep? |
| 22:31.12 | elg | or does it drift? |
| 22:31.24 | levi | elg: No, it drifts wildly. |
| 22:31.34 | levi | 'drift' is too soft of a word for it. |
| 22:31.35 | elg | can't ntp handle it? |
| 22:31.49 | levi | No, I think it's too much for ntp. I don't think it's a stable drift, either. |
| 22:32.13 | elg | odd. i've not noticed it. but I've not really run windows for more than a few tens of minutes at a time |
| 22:32.28 | elg | and when do I bother to look at the clock on the taskbar? not often. |
| 22:32.41 | levi | elg: I'm running Linux as a guest and Windows as the host. |
| 22:33.04 | elg | and you are running ntp? |
| 22:33.08 | levi | An unfortunate situation, certainly, but there ought to be a way for it not to suck this badly. |
| 22:33.16 | levi | I tried running ntp, but it didn't help. |
| 22:52.22 | findlay | levi: what ntp client? |
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| 22:53.03 | findlay | I guess I'm asking for is are you sure ntp is working? |
| 22:53.09 | bonez44 | anyone know the time and floor/room # for tonight's meeting for utaug? |
| 22:53.18 | levi | findlay: Clearly it's NOT working. |
| 22:53.47 | levi | But when I run ntpdate twice in rapid succession and the clock has drifted 10 seconds between the two runs... |
| 22:53.58 | findlay | I've encountered a couple of ntp clients. One was easier to work with than the other |
| 22:54.12 | findlay | that sounds bad |
| 22:54.29 | findlay | you need to run ntp update every millisecond |
| 22:54.40 | findlay | that will do it |
| 22:59.06 | elg | what kernel? |
| 23:01.06 | elg | does your windows box keep time? |
| 23:01.40 | sjansen | levi: If you check the VMWare Web site you can find a 5 page PDF discussing clock drift and Linux. |
| 23:02.03 | levi | I will have to look at that. Thanks. |
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| 23:02.21 | levi | Time for a meeting and then school... |
| 23:02.22 | bonez44 | anyone have children.....ages 7, 9 or 11....I want to interest mine in linux...and pry them away from windows...but they are hooked on games that run on windows...anyone has suggestion for converting children over to the one true OS? |
| 23:02.26 | elg | sjansen: url? |
| 23:02.36 | findlay | and you can drift through of 5 pdf pages of blather |
| 23:02.38 | sjansen | It discusses several possible solutions. The one that worked for me was disabling NTP on the client and using vmware-tools to sync with the host. |
| 23:02.40 | elg | bonez44: delete windows :) |
| 23:02.50 | findlay | bonez44: there are lots of fun linux games |
| 23:03.27 | findlay | bonez44: get them interested in science. There are even funner scientific apps for Linux, fun because they are the real thing |
| 23:04.07 | elg | bonez44: or charge rent for windows |
| 23:04.19 | sjansen | elg: http://google.com/ |
| 23:04.19 | brac | [Google] |
| 23:04.25 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 23:04.32 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 23:04.36 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 23:04.44 | sjansen | ~fart emcnabb |
| 23:04.45 | ibot | ACTION farts in emcnabb's general direction |
| 23:05.00 | elg | where is sjansen this week? |
| 23:05.04 | sjansen | So how'd you sleep last night emcnabb? |
| 23:05.10 | emcnabb | ~tear_off_head_in_rage sjansen |
| 23:05.18 | emcnabb | sjansen: so so |
| 23:05.29 | emcnabb | she was up for 3 hours at one poing |
| 23:05.30 | emcnabb | t |
| 23:05.47 | sjansen | elg: In the office. |
| 23:06.05 | emcnabb | sjansen: slacker |
| 23:06.33 | sjansen | emcnabb: quitter |
| 23:07.06 | sjansen | emcnabb: stinky poo poo face |
| 23:07.12 | emcnabb | ~poo sjansen |
| 23:07.13 | ibot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at sjansen |
| 23:07.29 | emcnabb | trust me, I have plenty more poo to fling |
| 23:07.33 | sjansen | emcnabb: lart happy anti-social psuedo-professional |
| 23:07.56 | sjansen | emcnabb: Get back to work! |
| 23:08.34 | findlay | man, I hate more |
| 23:08.41 | findlay | why do people still have to use it |
| 23:08.43 | emcnabb | sjansen: I'm off today |
| 23:08.46 | emcnabb | woohoo |
| 23:09.06 | sjansen | Well that's no fun. What's the point of teasing you about lack of sleep when you can take a nap? |
| 23:09.25 | emcnabb | sjansen: trust me, I have plenty to keep me busy |
| 23:09.39 | emcnabb | and I'm working tomorrow |
| 23:09.46 | emcnabb | at least it's from home |
| 23:09.53 | findlay | ~work |
| 23:09.54 | ibot | rumour has it, work is the integral of the dot product of force and displacement |
| 23:12.03 | vontrapp | levi: perhaps the windows and linux are in different time zones, and they are fighting eachother to keep the clock 'accurate' to its own perspective |
| 23:18.21 | harleypig | w00t! A new version of screen is almost here ... it's actually in beta! |
| 23:18.33 | vontrapp | why does screen need a new version? |
| 23:18.52 | harleypig | vertical screen splitting, grouped windows, layout saving |
| 23:18.54 | fozzmoo | So we can all be excited. |
| 23:19.01 | fozzmoo | OMG! |
| 23:19.05 | vontrapp | that does sound cool |
| 23:19.14 | harleypig | You need to put <sarcasm> tags around that. |
| 23:19.38 | fozzmoo | Actually- those do sound like very cool features. |
| 23:19.45 | beandog | http://www.jardmail.co.uk/factslists/kidsbooks.shtml |
| 23:19.47 | brac | [jardMail - Children's Books You'll Never See] |
| 23:19.55 | nick125_lappy | yay, my mailserver works |
| 23:19.55 | harleypig | you can do resize -v 10% and that will make it 10% of the window space, if you resize your terminal it'll adjust |
| 23:19.57 | beandog | "Pop! Goes the Hamster....and Other Great Microwave Games" |
| 23:20.24 | vontrapp | o_O |
| 23:20.33 | harleypig | You can name the layouts. next and previous stay within the group. |
| 23:20.43 | vontrapp | cool |
| 23:20.44 | beandog | "Daddy Drinks Because You Cry" |
| 23:21.11 | vontrapp | harleypig: what version is it? |
| 23:21.41 | harleypig | CVS BleedingEdge: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.savannah.gnu.org:/sources/screen co screen |
| 23:22.13 | harleypig | It's still in beta ... but up till now it's been "when I get around to it" from the developer. |
| 23:22.35 | vontrapp | is it 5.0 or what? |
| 23:22.40 | vontrapp | 4.0.4 |
| 23:22.50 | vontrapp | 6billion.3? |
| 23:22.54 | harleypig | Oh ... uh ... just a minute. |
| 23:23.45 | harleypig | He hasn't said ... there are some major changes to the codebase though, so either 4.1 or 5 depending on how this maintainer handles it. |
| 23:26.52 | sjansen | vontrapp: Nope. VMWare just has a very hard time handling clock interrupts on Linux. |
| 23:27.03 | vontrapp | i see |
| 23:28.07 | harleypig | "Some kittens can fly" I like that one. |
| 23:29.41 | sjansen | "Start a Real-Estate Empire with the Change from Your Mom's Purse" |
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| 23:30.16 | sjansen | "Controlling the Playground: Respect through Fear" |
| 23:31.39 | sjansen | ~control emcnabb |
| 23:31.48 | mrpull | sjansen: i'm jumping into the vmware converation late... but it should be noted that vmware doesn't keep time well without vmtools installed |
| 23:32.19 | mrpull | and even with vmtools installed you should use NTP or vmware's option to sync with the host's clock |
| 23:32.21 | mrpull | never both |
| 23:32.31 | sjansen | Yup. That was the solution I suggested. |
| 23:33.01 | mrpull | good deal. |
| 23:33.02 | sjansen | NTP on host, vmware-tools + kernel option on client |
| 23:33.29 | sjansen | levi: Did you find the file? I might still have a copy kicking around on my hard drive. |
| 23:37.14 | sjansen | levi: Guess not. I did find these notes though: "clock=pit timesync=yes" |
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| 23:45.07 | harleypig | Is there another word for synonym? |
| 23:46.26 | atoponce | antiantonym |
| 23:52.05 | harleypig | ow ow ow |
| 23:52.05 | harleypig | Y combinatorials are killing my brain cells |
