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| 02:16.52 | fozzmoo | Goodbye Red_Hat. We'll miss you. |
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| 02:38.33 | goozbach | good bye fozzmoo *sniff* |
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| 04:05.04 | maquis | ~greet thesuperbigfrog |
| 04:05.15 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on thesuperbigfrog |
| 04:05.19 | maquis | ~welcome thesuperbigfrog |
| 04:05.23 | ibot | [all in unison] Hi, thesuperbigfrog! |
| 04:06.39 | maquis | ping? |
| 04:08.06 | thesuperbigfrog | I suppose it's good for my skin? |
| 04:14.28 | maquis | asdf |
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| 04:18.12 | maquis | UtahBot: introduce yourself |
| 04:18.38 | elg | UtahBot: UtahBot? |
| 04:18.46 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 04:19.26 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> The channel for OSS discussion | http://www.plug.org/node/28 | Did somebody say futbol?! |
| 04:20.49 | maquis | UtahBot: hello |
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| 04:23.05 | elg | -lart vontrapp and maquis |
| 04:30.06 | nick125_lappy | Hahah, spammers |
| 04:30.10 | nick125_lappy | My friend and myself are prank calling spammers :D |
| 04:30.24 | maquis | ~lart elg |
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| 04:37.39 | fozzmoo | ping |
| 04:42.01 | elg | pang |
| 04:42.17 | encryptz | The channel for OSS discussion | http://www.plug.org/node/28 | Did somebody say futbol?! | WHA?!? THE COLTS?!?! SINCE WHEN?!?! |
| 04:42.21 | *** topic/#utah by encryptz -> The channel for OSS discussion | http://www.plug.org/node/28 | Did somebody say futbol?! | WHA?!? THE COLTS?!?! SINCE WHEN?!?! |
| 04:43.43 | fozzmoo | Why can't this country have a national pasttime that involves celebrating people's intellect? |
| 04:44.22 | fozzmoo | Oh wait, it's because in order to be a national pasttime, the general public needs to comprehend it. |
| 04:44.44 | encryptz | does that mean nascar is going to become the national pastime? |
| 04:45.49 | encryptz | it seems to be the only 'sport' that morons and complete idiots understand. turn left, and everything is golden |
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| 04:45.57 | fozzmoo | To the layperson. Nascar is still just guys driving their cars round in circles. |
| 04:46.10 | fozzmoo | right. |
| 04:46.45 | fozzmoo | If someone tried to design a Nascar track that wasn't an oval, half the country's brains would explode. |
| 04:46.55 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 04:47.03 | fozzmoo | I can be such a pompous ass. |
| 04:47.09 | encryptz | lol |
| 04:47.31 | encryptz | if it wasn't oval, or, if for some reason, they turned right instead of left |
| 04:47.36 | encryptz | talk about mass chaos |
| 04:51.17 | elg | man, adium changed the icons ever so slightly and it's creeping me out |
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| 05:00.24 | maquis | ~language fozzmoo |
| 05:00.27 | ibot | ACTION grabs fozzmoo by the ear and washes fozzmoo's mouth out with soap |
| 05:02.01 | fozzmoo | maquis: "ass"? |
| 05:02.10 | maquis | fozzmoo: correct |
| 05:06.32 | thesuperbigfog | I thought fiber was supposed to be fast |
| 05:14.15 | fozzmoo | Maybe someone's kinking your fiber. |
| 05:15.03 | Supaplex | no, just keeps you regular |
| 05:15.33 | Supaplex | make sure no pets gnaw on it |
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| 05:45.51 | justingiboney | anyone know why a lot of my applications are bigger than my screen? (ubuntu) |
| 05:47.11 | fozzmoo | Did you just install a teeny screen? :) |
| 05:48.58 | justingiboney | it has always been this way... I have a 15in monitor |
| 05:51.57 | fozzmoo | I'm not an ubuntu guy... but it sounds like you need to configure your display settings. |
| 05:52.33 | justingiboney | ya I can only set my resolution to 800x600 or 640 x 480 |
| 05:53.04 | fozzmoo | Will your monitor go any higher than that? |
| 05:53.35 | justingiboney | probably not |
| 05:53.52 | fozzmoo | Okay, but you've got a "scrolling screen" issue? |
| 05:53.58 | justingiboney | it just may be that some applications are set to be higher than that |
| 05:54.45 | justingiboney | i have applications of which the bottom can not be seen |
| 05:54.59 | fozzmoo | Ahhh. Yeah. Some apps are poorly designed that way. |
| 05:55.08 | fozzmoo | I've never run anything smaller than 1024x768. |
| 05:55.46 | justingiboney | ya it won't let me set anything that high =( |
| 05:58.21 | justingiboney | actually I think I just fixed it.. I set the refresh rate to 52 instead of 60 and it shrunk everything, then I change the sizes via the monitor |
| 05:58.47 | justingiboney | nevermind |
| 05:59.43 | nick125_lappy | dangit, these people at this "Cialis Soft Tab - 15 minutes until love" place haven't emailed me back... |
| 06:04.32 | Supaplex | pranking more spammers? :) |
| 06:05.23 | nick125_lappy | yup |
| 06:05.30 | Supaplex | hehe cool |
| 06:05.41 | nick125_lappy | I would reprint some of the message I sent to them, but...it might be inappropriate |
| 06:05.54 | Supaplex | no worries. |
| 06:06.04 | Supaplex | now if they only had a toll free number. |
| 06:06.16 | nick125_lappy | I guess I could reprint one part of it: "If you could help me with my little problem (no pun intended), I would really appreciate it!" |
| 06:06.30 | Supaplex | heh |
| 06:09.00 | nick125_lappy | my friend and myself are thinking of starting a talk show where we do this (along with other things) weekly.. |
| 06:09.22 | Supaplex | >:) |
| 06:10.25 | nick125_lappy | and we are going to encourage our listeners (providing we get any) to do the same :-) |
| 06:12.08 | nick125_lappy | In this picture, you can't tell if the person who is supposed to be the guy is actually a guy ... |
| 06:13.19 | Supaplex | how awry |
| 06:14.03 | nick125_lappy | Maybe that's the reason "he can't get it up".................................................................. |
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| 06:30.39 | findlay | hello |
| 06:30.43 | findlay | ibot: how do you feel? |
| 06:31.03 | ibot | The question is irrelevant. |
| 06:31.18 | findlay | haha |
| 06:31.33 | findlay | thank you Dr. Spock |
| 06:31.37 | tene | ibot: who/ |
| 06:31.39 | ibot | ~/ is your home dir silly!, or root, of all Unix |
| 06:31.40 | tene | ibot: who? |
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| 06:54.47 | tensai | ~lart elg |
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| 15:19.59 | ^Migs^ | this may be a dumb question, but there's no difference between the size of desktop memory sticks and laptop memory sticks is there? |
| 15:20.16 | redbeard1 | i think there is |
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| 15:20.45 | ^Migs^ | so PC2100 desktop memory wouldn't be the same as PC2100 notebook memory? |
| 15:21.18 | elg | there's kinds of memory |
| 15:21.20 | elg | sodimm, etc. |
| 15:21.25 | elg | sodimm is often what laptops want |
| 15:21.36 | elg | look for number of pings |
| 15:21.37 | elg | er, pins |
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| 15:22.21 | ^Migs^ | okay, thanks |
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| 15:39.11 | ^Migs^ | what about the MHz? Does it matter? |
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| 15:52.01 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.02 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.08 | elg | dummy_driver.c: In function 'FakeVideoSync': |
| 15:52.09 | elg | dummy_driver.c:48: error: initializer element is not constant |
| 15:52.19 | elg | what gives? |
| 15:52.21 | mrpull | ^migs^: crucial.com has a nice memory selector util |
| 15:52.41 | mrpull | i use it every time I buy ram... even if I don't buy the RAM from crucial |
| 15:53.34 | spr | elg: cast VIDEO_SYNC_PERIOD |
| 15:54.03 | elg | to int? |
| 15:56.41 | elg | casting to int didn't work |
| 15:57.54 | elg | (replacing the static const int with a #define does, but I want to know what's wrong with that) |
| 15:59.16 | spr | That's weird |
| 16:01.02 | redbeard1 | ot, but just in case you're all wondering, it turns out the chocolate-covered altoids really are good... and highly addictive |
| 16:09.02 | levi | He's still polling his UDP sockets. |
| 16:12.19 | goozbach | gotta love schlock! |
| 16:12.25 | goozbach | ~schlock |
| 16:12.58 | goozbach | ~schlock is <reply> But I wanna soften deck plates! |
| 16:13.00 | ibot | goozbach: okay |
| 16:13.03 | goozbach | ~schlock |
| 16:13.04 | ibot | But I wanna soften deck plates! |
| 16:14.07 | levi | Did anyone else look at smorrey's C++ code? |
| 16:18.05 | Jayce^ | schlock++ |
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| 16:20.55 | ^Migs^ | thanks for crucial link, mrpull |
| 16:23.17 | Jayce^ | ibot, schlock is ominous hummmm |
| 16:23.20 | ibot | ...but schlock is already something else... |
| 16:23.26 | Jayce^ | ~schlock |
| 16:23.28 | ibot | But I wanna soften deck plates! |
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| 16:27.33 | levi | Well, it's probably best that you haven't looked at it. But I suspect it's his inline function with a free variable reference inside it that's screwing him up. Seems like an awfully fishy thing to have defined in a class; how would you bind that variable reference at compile time? |
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| 16:50.21 | Jayce^ | be afraid when a changelog includes the line "Consulted the Vorlon" |
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| 16:55.48 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: Adium? |
| 16:56.35 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, yup |
| 16:56.41 | levi | Jayce^: Well, as long as the committer didn't ask the Vorlon what it wants... |
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| 17:03.09 | ^Migs^ | even though new guy doesn't make an effort to do development anymore and his job duties have been unofficially reassigned to "PR guy" he's still being kind of disappointing. He keeps telling users things that aren't true about the projcet. |
| 17:03.12 | ^Migs^ | *project |
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| 17:04.46 | graphyx | What happened to get his status changed? |
| 17:05.07 | graphyx | and why did they keep him on if he isn't doing what he was hired for? |
| 17:05.12 | calvarez | helloz |
| 17:05.51 | levi | Hello, calvarez. |
| 17:06.03 | ^Migs^ | because there's a union |
| 17:06.12 | ^Migs^ | people can't get fired around here, no matter how inept they are. I hate unions. |
| 17:07.10 | ^Migs^ | I don't even know if his status has been changed by anyone in charge. All I know is now he spends a lot of time out at the schools training people and stuff. Some of this "training" he was officially asked to do, but I'm thinking most of it isn't |
| 17:07.23 | calvarez | unions are more of a problem than a help now. The 1920s are gone |
| 17:07.27 | ^Migs^ | right |
| 17:07.37 | calvarez | too much union bullying too |
| 17:08.08 | ^Migs^ | it'd be nicer if they took a much lighter approach, like only helping people who are REALLY getting screwed somehow |
| 17:08.13 | calvarez | yea |
| 17:08.20 | ^Migs^ | like a manager has an unrealistic vendetta against a certain employee for no reason |
| 17:08.35 | calvarez | but, you know, nowadays it's more about marking their territory |
| 17:08.35 | ^Migs^ | but then you can just go to human resources in a normal non-union company |
| 17:08.40 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 17:08.43 | calvarez | true |
| 17:08.51 | calvarez | so, unions are effecti9vely obsolete |
| 17:08.55 | ^Migs^ | I totally support the non-union philosophy |
| 17:09.04 | calvarez | same here |
| 17:09.24 | ^Migs^ | those companies typically set up a chain of people you can go to if the person usually in charge is the one doing the infractions |
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| 17:10.32 | ^Migs^ | I don't even know why they do biannual employee reviews around here. They cant' say anything negative anymore. |
| 17:10.37 | ^Migs^ | that's how bad it is |
| 17:10.45 | calvarez | where is that? |
| 17:11.06 | ^Migs^ | Weber School District |
| 17:11.09 | calvarez | seriously, sometimes the only way to get things done is massive firings |
| 17:11.16 | ^Migs^ | the same problem would exist in most state government agencies |
| 17:11.28 | ^Migs^ | right |
| 17:11.28 | calvarez | especially in Utah, where there is a surplus of skilled hands |
| 17:11.30 | tensai | ouch, school unions. they're probably the worst. |
| 17:11.36 | ^Migs^ | yes, it's pretty bad here |
| 17:11.42 | calvarez | well, the thing is, teachers get paid crap |
| 17:11.45 | ^Migs^ | there's a perception that teachers are "overworked" and "underpaid" |
| 17:11.56 | calvarez | but I think the problem won't be solved through unions |
| 17:11.57 | ^Migs^ | heh, did you see the Dateline report on that, calvarez? |
| 17:12.01 | calvarez | no |
| 17:12.05 | tensai | ^Migs^: I did |
| 17:12.23 | ^Migs^ | I thought that was interesting. All these teachers who make a VERY good salary but still complain they're underpaid. |
| 17:12.27 | ^Migs^ | But each state is probably different |
| 17:12.34 | calvarez | probably |
| 17:12.47 | ^Migs^ | I think Utah is really at the low end so it probably applies more here anyway |
| 17:13.02 | calvarez | the thing is, govn't is used as the place for "the people who can't work but want and want to do other things to" |
| 17:13.11 | ^Migs^ | but seriously, they only work 9 months out of the year |
| 17:13.17 | calvarez | govn't should have a more free market approach |
| 17:13.25 | ^Migs^ | they probably end up working a full 8 hours or possibly more with assignment preparation though |
| 17:13.25 | calvarez | people who do a bad job should get fired |
| 17:13.29 | ^Migs^ | agreed |
| 17:13.36 | ^Migs^ | it's so obvious, but it's not happening |
| 17:13.56 | calvarez | especially when it has to do with people that works with people of low resources. Poor people get doubly screwed that way |
| 17:14.35 | ^Migs^ | I have a good job. I get many of the same benefits as teachers, yet get paid at least 3 times as much |
| 17:14.45 | calvarez | nice |
| 17:15.00 | ^Migs^ | get most of the same holidays off, too |
| 17:15.09 | ^Migs^ | it's VERY nice |
| 17:15.18 | rsimpkins | I'd like to make a public point. If you have been contracted as an administrator to install a production level server for a business - please do NOT CHOOSE GENTOO as the distro of choice in that situation. |
| 17:15.23 | calvarez | you know what? my wife works for the health dept. in Georgia and she used to work at the Salt Lake City Health dept. |
| 17:15.28 | neybar | I used to work for the alpine school district. I saw may of the same problems. It drove me crazy |
| 17:15.32 | calvarez | SLC's is much better organized and pays a lot better |
| 17:15.47 | ^Migs^ | is that city or state government? |
| 17:16.01 | calvarez | rsimpkins, everybody knows you should go Debian or similar distro |
| 17:16.11 | ^Migs^ | we typically use Red Hat |
| 17:16.27 | ^Migs^ | how many employees were in the Alpine school district when you worked there, neybar? |
| 17:16.27 | rsimpkins | calvarez: Aparently not, since I keep running in to more and more guys who have installed gentoo for businesses, then walked away leaving a disaster. |
| 17:16.27 | neybar | friends don't let friends use redhat |
| 17:16.28 | calvarez | red hat is fine |
| 17:16.30 | ^Migs^ | I know it's considerably smaller than Weber |
| 17:16.34 | ^Migs^ | but just wondering how much smaller |
| 17:16.52 | neybar | ^Migs^: I don't recall, but it is quite a few |
| 17:16.52 | ^Migs^ | we have an otherwise AWESOME IT department, though |
| 17:17.00 | ^Migs^ | despite all the other problems |
| 17:17.00 | calvarez | rsimpkins, the thing is, extreme customization in an environment where several people work at => disaster |
| 17:17.13 | ^Migs^ | we have about 11000 employees here |
| 17:17.16 | ^Migs^ | 29000 students |
| 17:17.22 | calvarez | simple and non-ZOMG-ROXORZ-optimization is good |
| 17:17.25 | neybar | I'm sure the numbers are similar |
| 17:17.29 | ^Migs^ | ah cool |
| 17:17.34 | ^Migs^ | so Alpine is larger than I thought |
| 17:17.36 | calvarez | in such environments |
| 17:17.45 | calvarez | I seriously think gentoo has no applicability anywhere |
| 17:17.50 | calvarez | ]but that's my opinion |
| 17:17.58 | ^Migs^ | okay |
| 17:18.03 | neybar | it is huge, it covers orem, af, lehi, and north up to the lone peak high |
| 17:18.04 | ^Migs^ | I thought Alpine School District was somewhere else: http://www.alpine.k12.ut.us/phpApps/genericPage.php?pdid=1 |
| 17:18.06 | ^Migs^ | so nm. |
| 17:18.21 | rsimpkins | calvarez: I think it is great for personal use, but not professional use. Not unless you have a whole team of gentoo experts working for you. |
| 17:18.33 | ^Migs^ | I think I was confusing it with one of the school districts on the eastern border of the state |
| 17:18.34 | ^Migs^ | like out near Vernal. Sorry. |
| 17:18.40 | ^Migs^ | I like the web site. Nice and clean |
| 17:18.54 | ^Migs^ | my web site used to be good, but new guy has been hacking it up |
| 17:18.58 | ^Migs^ | www.weber.k12.ut.us |
| 17:19.43 | calvarez | argh, green font |
| 17:19.55 | ^Migs^ | wtf |
| 17:19.56 | calvarez | my eyes feel violated |
| 17:20.06 | ^Migs^ | he added "WSDInfo.net - The Portal" all over the left menu |
| 17:20.07 | ^Migs^ | seriously, wtf |
| 17:20.10 | calvarez | I like the blue background though |
| 17:20.16 | ^Migs^ | that looks retarded |
| 17:20.27 | calvarez | the sun icons suck |
| 17:20.32 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I like the blue. Not a fan of the green, either. It looked good for about a week, but that's it |
| 17:20.43 | ^Migs^ | no they don't |
| 17:20.52 | calvarez | you like them? |
| 17:20.57 | ^Migs^ | yes I do actually |
| 17:20.58 | neybar | so I take it you don't use Macs in your district? |
| 17:21.05 | ^Migs^ | not anymore |
| 17:21.05 | calvarez | I kindof think they make it look unprofessional |
| 17:21.07 | calvarez | anyways |
| 17:21.07 | ^Migs^ | as far as I know |
| 17:21.20 | ^Migs^ | I'm not really a pro at the design |
| 17:21.39 | ^Migs^ | I actually just used some old templates I had, tweaked them a bit, and made that site |
| 17:21.42 | calvarez | ugh, the wide footer needs work |
| 17:21.54 | neybar | yeah, that site doesn't look very great in safari. the navigation in particular seems to just be floating in an odd place |
| 17:22.01 | ^Migs^ | I'd like to hire a pro to redesign our two sites, frankly: http://www.weber.k12.ut.us and www.wsdinfo.net |
| 17:22.11 | ^Migs^ | no, my policy is to only get them working in IE and Firefox |
| 17:22.21 | ^Migs^ | nobody cares about Safari |
| 17:22.25 | calvarez | haha ;) |
| 17:22.25 | neybar | boo |
| 17:22.30 | ^Migs^ | not to mention about 99.3% of our users are IE users |
| 17:22.32 | calvarez | well said :p |
| 17:22.48 | ^Migs^ | that's an actual statistic, btw :) |
| 17:24.08 | calvarez | ok, starting today and for a whole week I'm gonna use GNOME instead of KDE |
| 17:24.15 | calvarez | see if I like it better |
| 17:24.18 | graphyx | lies, d___ lies, statistics |
| 17:24.37 | calvarez | GNOME with beryl |
| 17:24.44 | calvarez | (love beryl :) ) |
| 17:30.23 | ^Migs^ | I think the best kind of job is working for a mid-size NON-UNION private company (about 400 employees) with both good benefits and nice perks |
| 17:30.50 | ^Migs^ | when you get too small companies you can have problems like massive costs for health insurance, and with too large companies you're just another number to them |
| 17:33.50 | *** part/#utah macnewbold (n=mac@cg.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 17:33.53 | ^Migs^ | is there a local place to pick up a cheap MIDI port-to-USB adapter? |
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| 17:34.04 | ^Migs^ | all the ones I've seen online are $50+ (although I haven't checked thoroughly) |
| 17:34.23 | ^Migs^ | I have an old (at least 12 years) synthesizer that doesn't have a USB port |
| 17:37.06 | elg | ^Migs^: unlikely |
| 17:37.12 | elg | there are places you can get them for uncheap |
| 17:37.16 | elg | best bet is online |
| 17:37.28 | ^Migs^ | http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070205/full/070205-1.html |
| 17:37.44 | ^Migs^ | why are they so expensive? |
| 17:37.47 | ^Migs^ | I find that weird |
| 17:37.53 | ^Migs^ | I'd rather just get a mixer then |
| 17:38.20 | ^Migs^ | like a Tascam or something. I don't know really much about mixers, though. |
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| 17:38.50 | elg | got me |
| 17:38.57 | elg | do you still have a soundcard with a joystick port? |
| 17:39.07 | elg | the midi to joystick things are cheaper, generally speaking |
| 17:39.36 | elg | you can find them locally (maybe) for ~$20. online for cheaper |
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| 17:40.23 | ^Migs^ | I actually have an old adapter like that, but I don't know if it works anymore |
| 17:40.28 | ^Migs^ | I think I only got it to work once, about 11 years ago |
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| 17:47.56 | ^Migs^ | elg, do you know if it's normal to have a delay with USB MIDI, between the time you hit the key on the midi device and the time it outputs through the computer's speakers? |
| 17:48.05 | ^Migs^ | because I'm finding it really annoying |
| 17:48.23 | ^Migs^ | it's about 1/10 second delay |
| 17:49.00 | elg | that much delay you shouldn't have |
| 17:49.20 | ^Migs^ | maybe it's hanging up when it's processing |
| 17:49.42 | elg | prime suspects: overloaded usb port/hub, lame hub, etc. |
| 17:49.45 | ^Migs^ | okay, I wasn't sure if it was something musicians just get used to, or if it's not supposed to happen at all |
| 17:49.57 | elg | or the synth itself, or maybe the OS. windows? |
| 17:50.00 | ^Migs^ | well, I'm running it through an older laptop |
| 17:50.23 | ^Migs^ | only 256MB RAM, 1 GHz CPU. Not sure if that's the culprit or not. It runs pretty slow |
| 17:50.30 | ^Migs^ | but the delay is consistently 1/10 sec |
| 17:50.40 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: My friend is a musician and has a very complex MIDI set up, he does get delays. He actually has a device to help ensure everything is delayed at the same rate so it ends up sounding right. |
| 17:50.41 | elg | what os? what softsynth? |
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| 17:50.57 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: He said it was hard to get used to, but when you have a complex set up it is just the way it is. |
| 17:50.58 | ^Migs^ | Windows XP, using Reason |
| 17:51.19 | elg | sounds hefty for 256MB |
| 17:51.24 | ^Migs^ | this isn't complex at all. It's just one USB cable from my Clavinova to the laptop |
| 17:51.43 | ^Migs^ | I'm putting 1 GB RAM in it in a few days here |
| 17:51.54 | elg | my usb midi keyboard, and my midi to joystick port keyboard, neither has any noticeable delay |
| 17:51.59 | ^Migs^ | okay |
| 17:52.09 | ^Migs^ | I'm glad to know that |
| 17:52.15 | elg | i don't think 1ghz would be too slow, but maybe it is for reason |
| 17:52.24 | ^Migs^ | Reason is pretty bloated, I've noticed |
| 17:52.32 | ^Migs^ | although I'm just using a trial version right now. |
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| 17:53.11 | ^Migs^ | what do you use, elg? |
| 17:53.58 | elg | lots of stuff. for sequencing usually rosegarden or seq24 |
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| 17:54.25 | elg | but i also play aeolus for organ, sometimes timidity |
| 17:54.41 | elg | sometimes dexter and other dssi plugins |
| 17:54.48 | ^Migs^ | ok |
| 17:54.57 | elg | occasionally garage band when I'm feeling like some swappage |
| 17:55.10 | ^Migs^ | does RoseGarden support VST plugins? |
| 17:55.35 | ^Migs^ | nm, I'll read more about it |
| 17:55.43 | levi | Huh. So, is AMQP supposed to be the new CORBA? |
| 17:56.03 | elg | ^Migs^: maybe, I think probably but it might be a royal pain |
| 17:56.03 | findlay | corba? does anyone even use that? |
| 17:56.18 | elg | levi: as in the crazy thing that nobody in their right mind uses? |
| 17:56.53 | levi | elg: As in, the new way to do cross-language distributed computing. |
| 17:57.23 | elg | i've never heard of it, but with that acronym I'd say they're well on their way to being just like corba |
| 17:57.27 | levi | I hadn't even heard of it until today, but it seems like even RedHat is developing a version of it. |
| 17:58.09 | ^Migs^ | I just cleaned up one of the extra rooms in my house and I'm going to set up a makeshift sound studio |
| 17:58.19 | ^Migs^ | so this is going to be tons of fun |
| 17:59.27 | elg | sounds like a lot of fun |
| 17:59.44 | ^Migs^ | timidity has been discontinued? |
| 18:00.08 | ^Migs^ | oh, Timidity++, sorry |
| 18:03.18 | ^Migs^ | have I heard any of your stuff before, elg? Is it being hosted anywhere? |
| 18:03.27 | elg | hans.fugal.net/music |
| 18:06.08 | ^Migs^ | thanks |
| 18:06.24 | elg | some of it is ok. some I detest. :) |
| 18:07.12 | ^Migs^ | what are you particularly proud of? |
| 18:07.32 | elg | today? :) |
| 18:08.03 | ^Migs^ | I mean, what music of yours do you particularly like? |
| 18:08.56 | elg | yeah. shadow and flame is good. random blues is ok but I wouldn't listen to it over and over |
| 18:09.29 | elg | time flies is ok once in a while |
| 18:10.02 | elg | fugue in g minor is probably my favorite. did that one with csound |
| 18:10.02 | ^Migs^ | k |
| 18:10.30 | elg | invention 4 is fun. a little too high pitched though |
| 18:10.44 | elg | in dulci is too slow |
| 18:11.01 | ^Migs^ | yeah I listed to the fugue. VERY cool. |
| 18:11.10 | ^Migs^ | s/listed/listened/ |
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| 18:13.13 | elg | i like my kanon rendition as well as most I hear. :-) |
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| 18:16.09 | elg | bwv893 is a nice piece. that was done on a little embedded TI DSP board. wrote a MIDI to C translator (using ruby and the ruby midi lib, iirc) |
| 18:16.42 | elg | it's rather simplistic because of being written for an embedded dsp board, just real simple sin wave and envelope |
| 18:16.51 | elg | but it sounds really nice because, well, because it's Bach :) |
| 18:18.05 | vontrapp | what, gaim got rid of the auto login flag for accounts? |
| 18:18.07 | vontrapp | that's dumb |
| 18:19.08 | ^Migs^ | I like all these. I don't know why you say there's some you detest |
| 18:19.14 | ^Migs^ | everything's very cool |
| 18:19.51 | elg | ok, detest is too strong. except for the in dulci |
| 18:20.02 | ^Migs^ | I thought that was good, too |
| 18:20.08 | elg | well, i thought it was too |
| 18:20.09 | ^Migs^ | you're being too critical of yourself |
| 18:20.17 | elg | then I found out what the right tempo is :) |
| 18:20.21 | elg | here let me dig up the real thing |
| 18:21.22 | ^Migs^ | pfft |
| 18:21.28 | ^Migs^ | I usually the "right tempo" is completely way off |
| 18:22.20 | ^Migs^ | s/usually/usually think/ |
| 18:22.35 | ^Migs^ | I've had too many typos lately |
| 18:22.58 | elg | well, I like the "right tempo" a lot better. i'll let you be your own judge though. hans.fugal.net/tmp/dulci.mp3 |
| 18:24.00 | elg | vontrapp: i'm pretty sure it's still there, just moved to a less usable place |
| 18:25.43 | ^Migs^ | I like both versions |
| 18:25.48 | ^Migs^ | maybe I'm too agreeable, I dunno |
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| 18:30.25 | levi | I like invention 4. |
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| 18:32.29 | elg | yeah, it's fun |
| 18:32.36 | elg | oh, that's another program I use |
| 18:32.43 | elg | invention 4 was made with zynaddsubfx |
| 18:34.17 | levi | So Kanon was made with csound? |
| 18:36.42 | elg | no, kanon was made with rosegarden, dexter, zynaddsubfx, and ardour |
| 18:36.50 | levi | Hah, so awesome: http://positiveapeindex.blogspot.com/2007/02/fine-line-between-stupid-and-clever.html |
| 18:38.16 | levi | elg: Dude, randblues is awesome. It's like the theme music to a robot going insane. |
| 18:40.58 | bonez39 | is there a way to make mutt open graphical based email messages..into a viewer that will view them graphically instead of in text mode? |
| 18:43.04 | fozzmoo | bonez39: Yes. |
| 18:43.35 | elg | levi: haha |
| 18:43.35 | fozzmoo | That's all handled via your system mime handler config |
| 18:43.39 | levi | elg: shadow_flame reminds me of some of the weirder Art of Noise tracks. |
| 18:43.44 | elg | i envisioned robot motorcycles |
| 18:44.35 | elg | shadow and flame was supposed to have bits from lotr but I couldn't figure out the dvd ripping in time, so I used festival instead |
| 18:49.06 | levi | Couldn't really get into that one. |
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| 18:53.31 | elg | that one was done in conjunction with art moore, mostly using terminatorX |
| 18:53.36 | goozbach | what's the factoid that makes ibot quote invader zim? |
| 18:53.51 | elg | ~emulate goozbach |
| 18:53.52 | ibot | Ohh look at me, I'm a RedHat biggot!!! BLAH BLAH BLAH my life sucks |
| 18:54.10 | elg | oh look it did something |
| 18:54.16 | goozbach | wow |
| 18:54.22 | elg | that doesn't sound like you though |
| 18:54.29 | goozbach | the first part yes |
| 18:54.37 | goozbach | the blah blah blah yes |
| 18:54.48 | goozbach | the my life sucks, not so much |
| 18:54.56 | elg | ~emulate emcnabb |
| 18:56.20 | goozbach | ~factinfo emulate goozbach |
| 18:56.20 | ibot | emulate goozbach -- created by goozbach <~goozbach@207.108.175.219> at Thu May 12 00:06:05 2005 (634 days); it has been requested 4 times, last by goozbach, 58s ago. |
| 18:56.38 | goozbach | what do you know, I DID create that factoid a while back |
| 18:56.51 | goozbach | perhaps my live did suck then, I don't recall |
| 18:57.20 | elg | lives have a funny way of doing that from time to time |
| 18:59.34 | jNb3k | http://digitaljournal.com/article/107294/Obituary_Pillsbury_Dough_Boy |
| 19:01.01 | goozbach | nevermind |
| 19:01.08 | goozbach | I've got my schlock quotes working now |
| 19:01.14 | goozbach | ~schlock |
| 19:01.17 | ibot | I find the taste of gunmetal soothing |
| 19:11.31 | goozbach | ~schlock |
| 19:11.34 | ibot | Wait... 'plunder?' I wanna come! |
| 19:13.05 | tensai | http://blogs.zdnet.com/threatchaos/?p=311 |
| 19:13.12 | tensai | iis v. apache |
| 19:14.16 | vontrapp | elg: if it does still exist somewhere it's overwritten everytime you log in/out of an account |
| 19:14.27 | vontrapp | which renders it utterly useless |
| 19:19.46 | goozbach | so, I just setup NTP on this server I'm now in charge of. any gueses as to how far the clock was off? |
| 19:20.07 | vontrapp | 2 hours |
| 19:20.19 | tensai | 7 days |
| 19:20.35 | vontrapp | 42 |
| 19:20.46 | goozbach | way off |
| 19:21.03 | vontrapp | i was going to say 'way' next |
| 19:21.06 | goozbach | the answer, 3.7 YEARS |
| 19:21.09 | dataw0lf | a hundred years. |
| 19:21.26 | goozbach | 119805528.219601 seconds to be exact |
| 19:21.45 | goozbach | and they wondered why kerberos wasn't working... |
| 19:21.59 | vontrapp | was the time of day at least rigiht? |
| 19:22.05 | vontrapp | haha |
| 19:23.09 | goozbach | vontrapp: nope |
| 19:23.21 | goozbach | it thought the time was about midnight |
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| 19:51.48 | calvarez | hello |
| 19:52.21 | graphyx | you say hello and I say good bye |
| 19:52.35 | Supaplex | l8r driveby |
| 19:52.38 | elg | you say jello and I say mince pie |
| 19:54.17 | levi | Mmm, jello. |
| 19:55.40 | jsmith | red jello? orange jello? yellow jello? |
| 19:56.20 | Supaplex | all of the above |
| 19:57.11 | jsmith | firefox jello?... ooh, we'd need some blue in there too |
| 19:58.26 | elg | o/~ Another postcard from chimpanzeeeeeeeees |
| 19:59.22 | graphyx | not from of |
| 19:59.30 | graphyx | of chimpanzeeeeeeeees |
| 20:00.02 | elg | nope, from |
| 20:00.05 | elg | and of |
| 20:00.06 | elg | and with |
| 20:00.09 | elg | depending on where in the song you are |
| 20:00.59 | levi | I'd like a postcard from urangutans, instead. |
| 20:01.59 | Supaplex | they are on strike |
| 20:01.59 | levi | . o O ( Note to self, do not challenge elg's BNL-fu ) |
| 20:02.03 | elg | levi: well, I don't have much. but I am listening to the song right now :) |
| 20:02.28 | elg | like I can't even bother to listen to brian wilson song |
| 20:02.34 | elg | makes no sense |
| 20:04.21 | elg | beandog: Yes! I have exactly the same problem. (your blog on albums) |
| 20:04.25 | ^Migs^ | oh man, I just had a HUGE lunch. My next bathroom visit is going to be of epic proportions. |
| 20:07.29 | levi | elg: Do you mean songs by Brian Wilson, or BNL's song "Brian Wilson"? |
| 20:07.32 | Supaplex | ^Migs^: yup, it sure will. with all the xlax they included? sure thing. |
| 20:08.57 | beandog | elg: heh, thats cool... I was wondering how common that was. |
| 20:09.17 | beandog | as in, if I was the only freaking one in the world with this issue :) |
| 20:09.27 | tene | What is beandog's issue with albums? |
| 20:09.37 | beandog | http://wonkabar.org/ |
| 20:09.44 | beandog | ^^ bloggie |
| 20:09.44 | elg | bnl's song |
| 20:09.51 | tene | That's a url, not an issue with albums. |
| 20:09.53 | tene | Jerk. |
| 20:09.59 | elg | beandog: the first time I experienced that (that I can remember) was after a hiatus of keeping up with erasure |
| 20:10.18 | beandog | tene: multiple albums getting mushed together into one style |
| 20:10.19 | levi | elg: Well, I'm sure it makes some kind of sense. |
| 20:10.22 | elg | I was underwhelmed by their title album (for some reason, I dno't know. I like it now) and so didn't keep up with them until sometime after my mission |
| 20:10.23 | beandog | forgetting what is which |
| 20:10.33 | elg | then I absorbed all 3 or 4 albums at once |
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| 20:10.59 | elg | and couldn't tell which album was which, although they do have distinct personalities. I had to listen to them intently and individually to figure it out |
| 20:11.07 | calvarez | ok, question |
| 20:11.24 | calvarez | where do I tell gnome which programs I want it to open when it starts? |
| 20:11.35 | elg | levi: yeah, probably does. I probably don't know enough history about brian wilson |
| 20:11.50 | elg | but I don't bother to look it up because, hey, the song isn't really all that catchy anyway |
| 20:12.08 | beandog | calvarez: control-center |
| 20:12.14 | beandog | preferred applications |
| 20:12.21 | beandog | which for some lame reason, has gst as a dependency |
| 20:12.29 | levi | What always confused me was that I thought they were singing, "like Brian Wilson, dead", but they're really singing, "like Brian Wilson did". |
| 20:13.18 | calvarez | hmm, System->Preferences->Sessions->Startup Programs->Add |
| 20:13.36 | elg | man I totally forgot to go to class |
| 20:13.50 | elg | i left the house on time to get here right about when class started |
| 20:14.01 | elg | and by the time I got here had completely forgot all about it. :) |
| 20:15.57 | levi | Uh, whoops. :) |
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| 22:25.57 | goozbach | jsmith! come back!!! |
| 22:25.59 | goozbach | doh! |
| 22:26.23 | elg | you miss him so |
| 22:26.43 | redbeard1 | so, i have a hardware problem with my notebook. i need my cdrom drive replaced. |
| 22:26.52 | elg | sounds like a nightmare |
| 22:26.56 | redbeard1 | unfortunately, sony makes it difficult |
| 22:27.23 | elg | I had a nightmare last night. Jayce^ was chasing me with a paintball gun full of ice pellets screaming PERL PERL PERL! |
| 22:27.41 | redbeard1 | it looks like i could pay them $279 to replace it with the same crappy part that i don't want |
| 22:27.50 | elg | luckily, I remembered his achilles caret and changed his nick to jayce~ and all was well |
| 22:27.56 | redbeard1 | elg: PERL! PERL! PERL! |
| 22:28.08 | maquis | elg: lol |
| 22:28.09 | levi | elg: Now THAT sounds like a nightmare. |
| 22:28.31 | redbeard1 | so i'm looking for a good place to take my notebook to get the drive replaced, preferably with one of my choosing. |
| 22:28.34 | levi | Aside from the ice pellets, I can actually picture it happening, though. |
| 22:28.46 | redbeard1 | levi: i can see him using ice pellets |
| 22:28.48 | elg | redbeard1: bring it to me. I'll do it for a small fee |
| 22:28.52 | elg | and I'll throw in some sourdough |
| 22:30.43 | goozbach | I think I have a new meme to use when playing paintball now |
| 22:30.57 | goozbach | instead of "kill the wabbit! kill the wabbit!" |
| 22:31.25 | redbeard1 | elg: do i need to drive it down to nm? |
| 22:31.33 | elg | i suppose you could send it |
| 22:31.41 | elg | if you don't need to supervise |
| 22:32.09 | elg | be sure and specify whether you want the sourdough in the drive or on the side |
| 22:32.22 | redbeard1 | um. i think on the side would be best. |
| 22:33.14 | redbeard1 | sony is pretty tight-lipped about notebook repair procedures... i got some contraband info once on how to replace the drive, but it didn't quite work out |
| 22:33.32 | elg | sounds like sony |
| 22:36.13 | Jayce^ | elg, I can make that a reality :) |
| 22:36.23 | levi | I was able to replace my Sony Picturebook hard drive, so it's probably possible to do it with yours as well. |
| 22:41.07 | levi | The trick is finding out where the screws and other fasteners are. |
| 22:43.12 | macnewbold | for the next time someone gets asked how to run their Windows app on Linux: |
| 22:43.13 | macnewbold | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Five_ways_to_use_Windows_apps_in_Linux |
| 22:43.38 | levi | Except that's really 3 ways to use Windows apps in Linux. |
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| 22:45.59 | ^Migs^ | IAW levi |
| 22:46.27 | tene | Invisible Asian Wombats? |
| 22:46.33 | ^Migs^ | who would want to view Dreamweaver on a Linux desktop? |
| 22:47.19 | elg | dreamweavers |
| 22:47.33 | elg | they believe they can get you through the night |
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| 22:53.40 | nick125_ | ugh |
| 22:53.54 | nick125_ | t-mobile wants 39.95 for VPN apn access |
| 22:54.16 | nick125_ | that's 10 more then I'm paying |
| 22:55.06 | tene | so kill them all |
| 22:55.20 | nick125_ | and 20 more then I was paying...ugh |
| 22:55.30 | nick125_ | freaking companies wanting more more |
| 22:55.45 | macnewbold | they're probably complaining the same way about the users... |
| 22:57.07 | nick125_ | sprint's data service (for pdas/phones) is cheaper and they have evdo |
| 23:01.36 | ^Migs^ | macnewbold, is there a way for me to delete completed or uncompleted tasks on gradefix? |
| 23:02.05 | ^Migs^ | I plan on showing it in a meeting tomorrow and I want to start from a clean slate |
| 23:08.53 | levi | Old usenet archives are fun. |
| 23:09.30 | levi | I'm reading some huge cross-group flamewar involving such luminaries as Alexander Stephanov and Henry Baker. |
| 23:12.49 | macnewbold | ^Migs^: if you click on the task to edit it, there's a delete task button |
| 23:13.03 | levi | Sorry, that's Stepanov, not Stephanov. |
| 23:13.11 | ^Migs^ | oh hehe |
| 23:13.12 | ^Migs^ | thanks |
| 23:13.16 | macnewbold | if there are any questions we can answer for you before tomorrow, please don't hesitate to ask |
| 23:13.23 | macnewbold | how many students are in your district? |
| 23:13.26 | ^Migs^ | who's we? |
| 23:13.31 | macnewbold | my partner and I |
| 23:13.39 | ^Migs^ | 29000. closer to 30000, actually |
| 23:13.58 | macnewbold | cool |
| 23:14.16 | macnewbold | well if there's anything we can do, let us know |
| 23:14.18 | elg | hmm. what if I want wget to ignore robots.txt? |
| 23:14.23 | ^Migs^ | k I will |
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| 23:14.25 | ^Migs^ | thanks |
| 23:14.38 | ^Migs^ | is your partner sitting right there with you? |
| 23:14.45 | ^Migs^ | cuz otherwise it seems kind of weird to say "we" |
| 23:15.28 | ^Migs^ | how do I delete classes? |
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| 23:15.56 | elg | with a ray gun |
| 23:16.01 | ^Migs^ | oh nm |
| 23:16.07 | ^Migs^ | I'm being dumb |
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| 23:21.15 | macnewbold | glad you got the classes thing |
| 23:21.24 | macnewbold | he's not sitting here with me, but I'm on chat with him |
| 23:22.06 | macnewbold | I just almost always say we when talking about GF stuff, since we work together on almost all of it |
| 23:25.18 | ^Migs^ | cool |
| 23:28.14 | ^Migs^ | gotta go, bye everyone |