| 00:00.34 | maquis | jgiboney: then ask on plug :) |
| 00:00.57 | maquis | if you somehow manage to not get an opinion on #utah, plug is the next step |
| 00:01.06 | maquis | if you manage to not see an opinion on plug, then... well... |
| 00:01.29 | jgiboney | how do I get to plug? |
| 00:01.50 | maquis | pluglist@plug.org, iirc |
| 00:02.25 | jgiboney | thanks |
| 00:04.26 | levi | Huh. |
| 00:04.35 | levi | I would have given him an opinion if he'd stuck around a little longer. |
| 00:04.50 | maquis | levi: reply when he asks on plug, then :) |
| 00:05.00 | levi | Oh, I will. If he does it soon enough. |
| 00:11.06 | levi | Heh, this compile just blew away my working set... took up 1.5gb before it finished a file. |
| 00:11.35 | maquis | yipes |
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| 00:38.45 | rsimpkins | Okay, who here likes to help new linux users? |
| 00:39.07 | maquis | rsimpkins: depends on the new users... |
| 00:39.11 | maquis | if they're interested in learning, i do |
| 00:39.39 | rsimpkins | maquis: mmmkay, I need a new member coordinator - that is a fancy title for someone who helps new members. |
| 00:40.13 | maquis | rsimpkins: a new member coordinator for what? |
| 00:40.18 | rsimpkins | maquis: PLUG |
| 00:40.50 | maquis | rsimpkins: wouldn't that kinda-sorta involve being in utah occasionally |
| 00:40.50 | maquis | ? |
| 00:40.58 | rsimpkins | no. |
| 00:41.20 | rsimpkins | The only thing I'm asking of the new member coordinator is to help me create some web pages useful to new members. |
| 00:41.39 | rsimpkins | ie - this is how you sign up to the list - this is why meetings are good - this is where you can go to get help, etc. |
| 00:42.07 | rsimpkins | And since plug.org is running drupal, no coding is required - just typing. |
| 00:43.42 | rsimpkins | maquis: Do you have a member profile on plug.org? |
| 00:51.20 | maquis | rsimpkins: maybe |
| 00:51.41 | maquis | i'm not actually sure whether i'm set up on plug |
| 00:55.47 | maquis | anywya... i'm out |
| 00:57.19 | tene | rsimpkins: what kind of coding do you do that involves *more* than typing. |
| 00:57.38 | rsimpkins | lots of meetings. |
| 00:57.55 | rsimpkins | and really hard thinking too. |
| 00:59.01 | tene | ... oh. |
| 00:59.04 | tene | Well. |
| 00:59.09 | tene | Alright, then. |
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| 02:36.57 | QBFreak | arg, I can't get this share mounted with cifs |
| 02:37.01 | QBFreak | it just sits there and does nothing |
| 02:37.40 | QBFreak | I'm using mount -t cifs //wd-netcenter/Shared\ Files Shared\ Files/ |
| 02:38.00 | QBFreak | I did not name the share with spaces, it wont let me change it |
| 02:38.31 | QBFreak | I have mounted the share successfully as smbfs on another box, but I don't have that here |
| 02:39.18 | tene | Cubey: and can't get it? |
| 02:40.05 | QBFreak | I'm trying that now, any idea what its called in the fedora repositories? |
| 02:40.24 | QBFreak | it takes ages for yum to update everything before it tells you if you guessed right... |
| 02:40.49 | tene | you can ask yum to search without updating. |
| 02:41.53 | QBFreak | whee, I need to compile the kernel module |
| 02:42.04 | QBFreak | sounds like time for another Learning Experience (tm) |
| 02:47.41 | QBFreak | and as always, the directions I find never quite work... |
| 02:48.15 | tene | What release of Fedora? |
| 02:48.26 | QBFreak | Fedora Core 5 |
| 02:48.45 | tene | Doesn't ship with smbfs o.O |
| 02:48.51 | QBFreak | apparently not |
| 02:48.59 | QBFreak | it has cifs though |
| 02:49.08 | tene | Weird. |
| 02:49.23 | QBFreak | cifs mounted the share I have on another linux box here just fine |
| 02:49.44 | QBFreak | no clue why it hangs when dealing with the netcenter |
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| 02:51.28 | QBFreak | maybe I should update everything first, its been quite a while since I've even had this running |
| 03:08.48 | QBFreak | Error: Package kmod-nvidia needs nvidia-kmod-common = 1.0.8756, this is not available |
| 03:09.25 | QBFreak | computers were created by the devil! their only purpose is to drive us insane! |
| 03:09.46 | QBFreak | I think I'll go watch MacGyver, its a lot less stressful |
| 03:10.27 | tene | So, any suggestions on how I can join two PDFs together? |
| 03:10.53 | elg | tene: staples |
| 03:11.02 | elg | you might also need a stapler |
| 03:11.11 | elg | a paperclip, otoh, is quite autonomous |
| 03:11.17 | tene | ~cubey elg |
| 03:12.25 | QBFreak | oh, I should know this one...I had to deal with enough PDFs at Kodak |
| 03:14.04 | QBFreak | oh, I missed the ~cubey |
| 03:14.24 | tene | The solution I'm going with right now is "send them to your mac-using friend who claims to have several easily-available methods" |
| 03:14.32 | tene | I guess you don't have a verb, Cubey. |
| 03:14.42 | QBFreak | apparently not |
| 03:15.15 | tene | ibot: cubey $target is <action> tackles $target and compresses them into a cube. |
| 03:15.17 | ibot | tene: okay |
| 03:15.24 | tene | `cubey elg |
| 03:15.28 | tene | ~cubey elg |
| 03:15.29 | ibot | ACTION tackles elg and compresses them into a cube. |
| 03:16.11 | elg | i'm a them now? |
| 03:16.26 | QBFreak | tene: http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/ ? |
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| 04:15.26 | findlay | hello |
| 04:16.30 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.bbspot.com/Images/News_Features/2007/02/vista_big.jpg |
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| 04:24.28 | findlay | hello again |
| 04:25.00 | findlay | if it's believable, the xorg nv driver is better for 2D on this card than the nvidia driver |
| 04:33.53 | maquis | ~cowspeak |
| 04:34.10 | maquis | ~figlet |
| 04:34.11 | ibot | methinks figlet is a nice program to make big ASCII characters out of normal text using nice fonts. There is a debian package available, just run \"apt-get install figlet\" :D |
| 04:34.23 | maquis | ~cowspeak |
| 04:35.04 | tene | ~maquis |
| 04:35.05 | ibot | I don't give that kind of information to filthy cardassian spies |
| 04:35.23 | maquis | ~wtf cowspeak |
| 04:35.33 | tene | ~give information to filthy cardassian spies |
| 04:35.34 | ibot | ACTION gives to filthy cardassian spies to information |
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| 04:35.53 | elg | ~metar kqtz |
| 04:36.13 | maquis | i want cowspeak! |
| 04:36.43 | tene | ~wtf grammar |
| 04:44.46 | findlay | ~speak cow and enter |
| 04:45.52 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.52 | elg | < foo > |
| 04:45.52 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.53 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.53 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.55 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.57 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:46.00 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:46.28 | findlay | wow, it worked |
| 04:46.34 | findlay | now, enter |
| 04:46.55 | findlay | ~do my homework |
| 04:46.57 | ibot | ACTION does my homework. |
| 04:47.01 | tene | ibot: findlay called you fat |
| 04:47.02 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps called you fat. |
| 04:47.07 | maquis | elg: where'd you get that? |
| 04:47.14 | maquis | i'm trying to find a package, and even google isn't giving me any lead |
| 04:47.15 | maquis | s |
| 04:47.19 | findlay | ibot: no, do *my* homework |
| 04:47.29 | tene | maquis: obviously you should be using gentoo |
| 04:47.39 | elg | port install cowsay |
| 04:47.42 | findlay | ibot: do it, please |
| 04:47.43 | ibot | ACTION does it, please. |
| 04:47.43 | elg | on darwinports |
| 04:47.47 | tene | findlay: make maquis do your homework in exchange for giving her a cowsay package |
| 04:47.51 | findlay | thanks |
| 04:47.51 | maquis | cowsay |
| 04:47.54 | maquis | that's the part i missed |
| 04:48.06 | findlay | aw, too late now |
| 04:48.18 | elg | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/c/cowsay/cowsay_3.03-8/cowsay.copyright |
| 04:49.17 | tene | Argh. With a net connection this slow, I could it might be faster just to drive out to the datacenter. |
| 04:49.41 | findlay | ~drive tene to the center of the data |
| 04:49.42 | ibot | ACTION jumps behind the wheel of a specially designed limo & chauffeurs tene to the center of the data anywhere he/she needs to go, while tene to the center of the data sits in the back playing bzflag |
| 04:50.45 | tene | sweet |
| 04:51.24 | findlay | sour |
| 04:51.46 | tene | Eww. Eww. Eww. Gross. Get it off. |
| 04:51.53 | findlay | ~off |
| 04:51.54 | ibot | [off] the opposite of on |
| 04:52.05 | tene | This html document uses closing </p> tags without using opening <p> tags. |
| 04:52.19 | tene | Make it go away, findlay. |
| 04:53.08 | findlay | ~make it go away |
| 04:53.09 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `it go away'. Stop. |
| 04:53.16 | findlay | ~start |
| 04:53.17 | ibot | General purpose home page for an intranet. URL: http://fancy.secureshell.com/start/ |
| 04:53.56 | tene | ~make a rule to make target `it go away' |
| 04:53.57 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `a rule to make target `it go away''. Stop. |
| 04:55.17 | tene | NXDOMAIN for fancy.secureshell.com, ibot! |
| 04:55.20 | findlay | ~make ad noxious |
| 04:55.21 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `ad noxious'. Stop. |
| 04:55.21 | tene | You fail! |
| 04:55.37 | findlay | ~make ad humbug |
| 04:55.38 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `ad humbug'. Stop. |
| 04:56.47 | maquis | elg: yeah... found it |
| 04:57.22 | tene | ~make cry'. Please provide instructions on making targets `cry |
| 04:57.24 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `cry'. Please provide instructions on making targets `cry'. Stop. |
| 04:57.35 | tene | makwhyfor? |
| 04:57.45 | tene | maqwhyfor? |
| 04:57.53 | tene | Argh. |
| 04:58.16 | tene | I'm curious why lag results in a ^I being inserted instead of triggering tabcomplete. |
| 04:58.38 | elg | probably because your client is smart |
| 04:58.55 | elg | and if it detects you're pasting, it just inserts it instead of tab completing |
| 04:58.57 | tene | Howso? |
| 04:59.10 | tene | Oh. Clever. |
| 04:59.12 | elg | if it's faster than you could reasonably be expected to type |
| 04:59.31 | elg | but, that wouldn't be network lag, it should be input. network lag is just how long it takes to et to us |
| 04:59.34 | tene | Well, I *am* using a pretty amazing client. |
| 04:59.44 | elg | telnet? |
| 04:59.57 | tene | elg: screen+ssh |
| 05:00.07 | tene | oh, asking about client, not about connection method. |
| 05:00.07 | tene | I fail. |
| 05:00.15 | elg | ah, but that does explain it |
| 05:00.21 | elg | if you have lag on the ssh connection |
| 05:00.52 | tene | Yeah. It does. |
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| 05:05.05 | justingiboney | does ubuntu come with the gcc compiler? |
| 05:06.11 | elg | i think it's an additional package to install |
| 05:06.18 | elg | try apt-get install build-essential |
| 05:06.42 | justingiboney | ya... i don't know what you just said... I am very new at this |
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| 05:08.22 | elg | go to the add/install new software thingy |
| 05:08.27 | elg | and find the package build-essential |
| 05:08.38 | elg | or gcc itself, but build-essential is a good first step |
| 05:08.48 | elg | alternatively, you can type "sudo apt-get install build-essential" in a terminal |
| 05:09.10 | elg | apt is the backend package manager. synaptic and whatever ubuntu uses for package management (if it's not synaptic) are gui frontends |
| 05:09.20 | elg | aptitude is a cli front end (ncurses) |
| 05:09.36 | elg | and apt is really just a front end to dpkg, but you don't need to know that. :) |
| 05:10.05 | elg | (and dpkg deals with cpio archives, iirc, which just have a special directory structure0 |
| 05:11.15 | justingiboney | thanks it is downloading.. another 11 minutes |
| 05:11.22 | tene | In vim, how do I repeat a multipart action, such as "j." ocslt? |
| 05:11.48 | tene | s/ocslt/oslt/ |
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| 05:35.13 | justingiboney | anyone know anything about running objective-c in terminal? |
| 05:36.56 | justingiboney | or even regular c |
| 05:37.36 | levi_home | Yes. |
| 05:37.51 | levi_home | What do you want to know? |
| 05:38.23 | justingiboney | ok this is a little program to get me started |
| 05:38.50 | justingiboney | #import <stdio.h> int main (int argc, const char *argv[]) { printf ("Programming is fun!"); return 0; } |
| 05:39.02 | justingiboney | then i did this in terminal |
| 05:39.33 | justingiboney | gcc main.m -o prog1 -l objc |
| 05:39.40 | justingiboney | and it told me this |
| 05:40.05 | justingiboney | gcc: error trying to exec 'cclobj': execvp: No such file or directory |
| 05:40.20 | justingiboney | what did I do wrong? |
| 05:41.49 | levi_home | Hmm. |
| 05:42.10 | levi_home | It doesn't look like you did anything wrong. |
| 05:42.28 | justingiboney | okay so I am guessing I don't have the right things installed |
| 05:42.42 | justingiboney | I am still in my first week of linux |
| 05:42.50 | levi_home | Oh, you're doing this in linux. |
| 05:42.57 | justingiboney | ya |
| 05:43.14 | justingiboney | isn't that what this place is? |
| 05:43.27 | levi_home | Do you have the objc compiler installed? |
| 05:43.33 | tene | nope, we're open-source in general. |
| 05:44.17 | justingiboney | don't know... I just downloaded the build essential thing that elg told me to |
| 05:44.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Linux is commonly the weapon of choice, though ;) |
| 05:45.50 | levi_home | build-essential probably doesn't include objc |
| 05:46.01 | levi_home | Try renaming the file to .c and leave off the -l objc part. |
| 05:46.09 | levi_home | Since it's a valid C program as it is. |
| 05:46.46 | justingiboney | it didn't do anything |
| 05:47.10 | justingiboney | ohh wait I have to run it |
| 05:47.12 | justingiboney | hold on |
| 05:47.45 | justingiboney | there we go... that worked |
| 05:48.18 | levi_home | That means it worked. :) |
| 05:48.34 | justingiboney | so I asked this earlier... is objc-c better than regular c? |
| 05:48.42 | levi_home | You'll want to apt-get gobjc to do objective C. |
| 05:49.22 | levi_home | Well, Objective C is a superset of regular C, so in the sense that it does everything that C does plus more, it's better. |
| 05:50.09 | justingiboney | okay that makes me feel better |
| 05:50.32 | levi_home | It's also simpler than C++, and I like its object model better. |
| 05:51.20 | levi_home | But it's rarely used outside of Macintosh programming these days. |
| 05:52.03 | justingiboney | I come from an apple so that is why I know a little bit |
| 05:52.35 | levi_home | If you did Objective C programming there, you'll probably want to apt-get gnustep-devel, too. |
| 05:53.47 | levi_home | The gnustep libraries are very similar to the Cocoa libraries in OS X. |
| 05:54.41 | justingiboney | I did a little bit... mostly just tried to create a warhammer game.. I didn't get very far |
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| 06:12.47 | justingiboney | so what is oss open source ...? |
| 06:13.15 | tene | Software. |
| 06:13.37 | justingiboney | ohh |
| 06:14.16 | justingiboney | do most of the people on the list just leave their computers on all the time and stay connected? |
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| 06:25.34 | sontek | depends if they have an environmental major significant other *glares at katie* |
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| 06:29.18 | findlay | sontek: time to install some pond scum in the back yard I guess |
| 06:29.41 | sontek | haha |
| 06:29.54 | findlay | I don't think an idle server draws that many amps |
| 06:30.08 | findlay | maybe like 100 W |
| 06:30.16 | findlay | ? |
| 06:30.32 | sontek | she allows me to keep my file server but all my other boxes get shutdown |
| 06:31.07 | sontek | all together I wouldn't be doing to much power but she sees it as doing her part |
| 06:41.11 | justingiboney | so is it possible to create a window from terminal using objective-c |
| 06:42.49 | findlay | justingiboney: I'd start with kdevelop. It has nice templates for gui programming in many languages including objective-C |
| 06:43.54 | justingiboney | ya I tried that and when i go to build it it says |
| 06:43.55 | justingiboney | ./admin/cvs.sh: 585: autoconf: not found |
| 06:43.56 | justingiboney | *** AUTOCONF NOT FOUND!. |
| 06:43.56 | justingiboney | *** KDE requires autoconf 2.52, 2.53 or 2.54 |
| 06:43.56 | justingiboney | make[1]: *** [cvs] Error 1 |
| 06:43.56 | justingiboney | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 06:43.57 | justingiboney | *** Exited with status: 2 *** |
| 06:44.13 | justingiboney | and i have no clue what that means |
| 06:45.27 | findlay | do this: dpkg -L | grep -i autoconf |
| 06:45.39 | justingiboney | in terminal? |
| 06:46.19 | findlay | dpkg -l | grep -i autoconf |
| 06:46.27 | findlay | yes in a terminal |
| 06:46.45 | findlay | wait, no |
| 06:47.03 | findlay | first tell me where and how you got this ugly error? |
| 06:47.17 | findlay | s/?// |
| 06:47.18 | justingiboney | to late I already did this |
| 06:49.54 | justingiboney | okay I went to kdevelop and created a simple kde program and the went to build and pressed run automake |
| 06:50.04 | justingiboney | & friends |
| 06:50.17 | findlay | so you opened the kdevelop IDE GUI? |
| 06:50.23 | justingiboney | ya |
| 06:50.26 | findlay | and started an objective-c project? |
| 06:50.31 | justingiboney | no |
| 06:50.37 | justingiboney | a kde simple program |
| 06:50.40 | findlay | ok |
| 06:50.40 | justingiboney | whatever that is |
| 06:50.50 | justingiboney | i didn't type any code |
| 06:50.55 | justingiboney | it already had some in it |
| 06:51.10 | findlay | that's probably a simple c++ program using kde-branded QT |
| 06:51.32 | findlay | ok, so what was the output of `dpkg -l | grep automake`? |
| 06:52.04 | findlay | `dpkg -l | grep -i autoconf`, I mean |
| 06:52.11 | justingiboney | i was following some tutorial |
| 06:52.21 | justingiboney | it didn't say anything |
| 06:52.32 | findlay | the command yielded no output? |
| 06:53.20 | justingiboney | ya |
| 06:53.41 | findlay | this is what you need to do: `sudo apt-get install automake` |
| 06:53.57 | justingiboney | here is the tutorial http://www.dazzle.plus.com/linux/ |
| 06:54.05 | justingiboney | i think |
| 06:54.24 | findlay | yes, but your tutorial is pointless without a usable toolchain |
| 06:55.12 | justingiboney | i don't know exactly what kde is... that is why i just switched over to terminal... which i got to run my "programming is fun!" program |
| 06:55.35 | findlay | just type in the command as I wrote it first |
| 06:55.46 | findlay | we'll get to what kde is later |
| 06:55.55 | justingiboney | again? |
| 06:56.12 | findlay | no, what did it tell you? |
| 06:56.39 | justingiboney | nothing... although I was in a folder at the time.. does that matter? |
| 06:57.02 | findlay | you typed in: sudo apt-get install automake? |
| 06:57.15 | findlay | and it told you nothing? |
| 06:57.25 | justingiboney | no... never got that |
| 06:58.33 | justingiboney | you'll have to wait a minute for it to download |
| 06:59.24 | justingiboney | i hate dialup |
| 07:00.44 | justingiboney | i hate the robots game too.... although it is the best game I have on here at the moment |
| 07:01.58 | findlay | well, I've got to go to bed. If it complains about anything else not being installed you now know how to install it. Try to get comfortable using apt-get and apt-cache, mainly `sudo apt-get install <package>` and `apt-cache search <keyword>` |
| 07:02.35 | justingiboney | okay i'll try |
| 07:02.55 | justingiboney | it finished downloading |
| 07:03.04 | justingiboney | now do i do the dpkg thing |
| 07:03.14 | sontek | you should use aptitude instead of apt-get for dependencies sake |
| 07:03.29 | findlay | no, try to run your kdevelop project again |
| 07:03.46 | findlay | apt-get will take care of dependencies just as well as aptitude |
| 07:04.11 | findlay | they are both just front ends to dpkg |
| 07:04.33 | justingiboney | new error |
| 07:04.37 | justingiboney | *** YOU'RE USING automake (GNU automake) 1.4-p6. |
| 07:04.37 | justingiboney | *** KDE requires automake 1.6 |
| 07:04.37 | justingiboney | make[1]: *** [cvs] Error 1 |
| 07:04.37 | justingiboney | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 07:04.37 | justingiboney | *** Exited with status: 2 *** |
| 07:05.15 | findlay | sudo apt-get uninstall automake ; sudo apt-get install automake1.9 |
| 07:06.05 | findlay | actually you don't have to uninstall the old one first |
| 07:06.34 | justingiboney | it said it was an invalid uninstall, but is downloading more |
| 07:07.19 | justingiboney | well I won't keep you up... I can worry about it later |
| 07:09.46 | justingiboney | well it seems to be working in kdevelop now |
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| 07:12.27 | justingiboney | where do I get |
| 07:12.28 | justingiboney | configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
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| 07:14.08 | justingiboney | would that be xlibs-dev ? |
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| 07:22.09 | justingiboney | well good night everyone |
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| 14:01.16 | sjansen | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Paid_by_the_Line.aspx |
| 14:03.31 | redbeard1 | ~lart sjansen |
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| 14:03.53 | redbeard1 | ~rot13 Dr, co yd. Ekrpat jrmcbiZ |
| 14:03.53 | ibot | Qe, pb lq. Rxecng wezpovM |
| 14:04.02 | redbeard1 | ~rot47 Dr, co yd. Ekrpat jrmcbiZ |
| 14:04.02 | ibot | Ym, xj ty. Zfmkvo emhxwdU |
| 14:04.12 | redbeard1 | ok, i give up, what does it mean? |
| 14:04.47 | graphyx | it means how is the dvorak coming? |
| 14:05.08 | graphyx | typed in dvorak on a qwerty keyboard. |
| 14:05.59 | redbeard1 | how is it that dvorak is suddenly becoming more popular? |
| 14:06.21 | ScytheBlade1 | It isn't |
| 14:06.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Just here ;) |
| 14:07.25 | redbeard1 | localized fad? |
| 14:07.49 | graphyx | I guess that you could say that. |
| 14:08.06 | graphyx | I started about a month ago and am using it full time now. |
| 14:08.17 | graphyx | I am doing pretty well with it as well. |
| 14:08.20 | graphyx | as you can see. |
| 14:09.30 | graphyx | It is more confortable to me when I type |
| 14:10.30 | sjansen | ~change redbeard1 |
| 14:11.05 | redbeard1 | whoa. |
| 14:23.49 | jsmith | Wow... didn't expect that. |
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| 14:24.31 | jsmith | But I'd still rather have a mullet than learn to type on a Dvorak keyboard... but then again, I'll probably have to eat my words when I go bald and get carpal tunnel |
| 14:29.02 | graphyx | heh |
| 14:29.11 | elg | jsmith: at least you can eat some grits with that |
| 14:29.27 | jsmith | That's right! |
| 14:29.58 | redbeard1 | mmm, grits! |
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| 14:30.40 | jsmith | Been there, done that. I already had my "hot water added to dried crushed used-to-be-a-grain stuff with flavoring in a packet" breakfast for today |
| 14:31.57 | elg | -weather kqtz |
| 14:31.58 | brac | 1 hours, 37 minutes ago, on Thu Feb 01 12:55:00 UTC 2007, the wind was blowing at a speed of 2.57 meters per second (5.75 miles per hour) from the variable directions at KQTZ. The temperature was 15 degrees Celsius (59 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1023 hPa (30.21 inHg). The relative humidity was 41.4%. There were a few clouds at a height of 3048 meters (10000 feet). The visibility was >11.3 kilometers (>7 |
| 14:31.58 | brac | miles). |
| 14:32.29 | jsmith | ~weather |
| 14:34.45 | jsmith | ~weather krmn |
| 14:44.26 | redbeard1 | ~pinkfloyd sjansen |
| 14:45.12 | redbeard1 | i wasn't even sure what that might do, but it was worth a shot |
| 14:45.31 | elg | ~purplefloyd redbeard1 |
| 14:46.15 | redbeard1 | ~sonsofnothing elg |
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| 15:22.30 | redbeard1 | http://www.nippazwithattitude.com/punkrockbabycd.html |
| 15:22.35 | redbeard1 | be afraid |
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| 15:28.55 | sjansen | ~scare redbeard1 |
| 15:28.58 | ibot | ACTION puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at redbeard1 |
| 15:33.46 | ^Migs^ | CHICAGO (Reuters) - An outbreak of a contagious rash called herpes gladiatorum among Minnesota high school wrestlers led the state to suspend matches and halt contact practices, authorities said on Wednesday. |
| 15:33.47 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 15:36.07 | goozbach | buhahah, good morning~ |
| 15:36.12 | goozbach | s/~/! |
| 15:36.26 | goozbach | er... |
| 15:36.30 | goozbach | buhahah, good morning! |
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| 15:57.31 | bonez39 | good morning |
| 15:57.43 | maquis | tis a morning |
| 15:58.48 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 16:02.51 | herlo | it's almost afternoon! |
| 16:03.14 | redbeard1 | it is? |
| 16:03.52 | herlo | EST |
| 16:03.54 | ^Migs^ | omg it is! |
| 16:04.03 | redbeard1 | garsh |
| 16:04.04 | ^Migs^ | it's almost afternoon MST too. Just three more hours |
| 16:04.08 | herlo | 1 more hr |
| 16:04.11 | graphyx | herlo: Where are you? |
| 16:04.16 | herlo | Philly |
| 16:04.26 | herlo | graphyx: where are you? |
| 16:04.28 | herlo | hehe |
| 16:04.52 | graphyx | Conway |
| 16:05.02 | herlo | lol |
| 16:06.32 | herlo | graphyx: how's life treating you down there? you got your southern accent mastered yet? |
| 16:08.38 | jsmith | He's not really in the south |
| 16:08.43 | jsmith | He's in the pseudo-south |
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| 16:26.42 | goozbach | now I'm in south |
| 16:26.55 | goozbach | but if I go any further south I start going north again |
| 16:27.26 | goozbach | it seems Orlando-south is more northerners than north florida |
| 16:28.37 | redbeard1 | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=333&sid=853867 |
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| 16:29.26 | redbeard1 | fezzik lives! |
| 16:29.39 | redbeard1 | oh. er. hey levi. you missed the link. |
| 16:29.55 | levi | Which link? |
| 16:32.46 | redbeard1 | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=333&sid=853867 |
| 16:33.36 | maquis | yipes! |
| 16:33.42 | maquis | i feel for the poor mom |
| 16:34.35 | levi | Yow. |
| 16:35.28 | maquis | 7-21 |
| 16:35.34 | graphyx | They should have fessed up right away and just called him Sumo |
| 16:37.05 | maquis | wow... suggested cover price == $34.99. Amazon has announced it will sell for $18.89 |
| 16:37.54 | elg | amazon is selling the kid? |
| 16:38.00 | levi | maquis: What book? |
| 16:38.24 | maquis | HP7 |
| 16:38.37 | levi | Ahh. |
| 16:38.45 | elg | when? july 21? |
| 16:39.11 | elg | hmm. I don't live near any of my nutty relatives that will buy it on the first day |
| 16:39.27 | elg | i usually just borrow the book a few days/week after they get it |
| 16:39.49 | elg | because they stay up all night reading for as many days as it takes :) |
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| 16:41.09 | maquis | elg: you can pre-order it starting today... |
| 16:41.14 | maquis | for about half of the cover-price |
| 16:42.18 | maquis | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=332&sid=854132 |
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| 16:55.32 | beandog | heh |
| 16:55.35 | beandog | thats great |
| 17:10.52 | ^Migs^ | meh, it's okay |
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| 17:14.25 | Hhhhh | h'llo |
| 17:16.05 | maquis | Hhhhh'llo |
| 17:16.37 | Hhhhh | how are you? |
| 17:17.05 | Hhhhh | beryl is soo pretty...hohoho |
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| 17:24.14 | levi | I used beryl for a while, but it was still not stable enough for me. |
| 17:25.54 | Jayce^ | ditto |
| 17:26.08 | Hhhhh | hehe, well, the themes still crash every so often :p |
| 17:26.13 | Hhhhh | but it looks nice |
| 17:26.24 | Hhhhh | designed to make MacFanbois cry |
| 17:27.07 | levi | It has more eye candy than Aqua, but in general, I think Aqua is still far more polished, and that's what makes the biggest difference to me. |
| 17:27.30 | beandog | bah. |
| 17:27.34 | beandog | y'all should switch to IceWM |
| 17:27.37 | beandog | thats where all the eye-candy is. |
| 17:27.41 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:27.52 | beandog | win95-style. |
| 17:27.53 | levi | The biggest reason I wanted to try it was the double-buffered windows. |
| 17:27.53 | redbeard1 | ice is teh bomb, yo |
| 17:28.11 | levi | That's really the only thing I care about, the rest is just icing. |
| 17:28.25 | beandog | icewm++ |
| 17:28.28 | beandog | nothing but love. |
| 17:28.42 | Hhhhh | the icing is the most delicious part of the cake! |
| 17:29.06 | Hhhhh | ;) |
| 17:29.22 | levi | But too much makes you want to gag. |
| 17:29.56 | levi | The wobbly windows are just stupid. |
| 17:30.26 | beandog | sewiously. |
| 17:31.01 | levi | I like just a tiny bit of translucency, subtle drop shadows, and solid double-buffering of windows. |
| 17:32.36 | Jayce^ | Hhhhh, especially if it's Royal icing, according to redbeard1 |
| 17:32.40 | Jayce^ | :-p |
| 17:32.56 | redbeard1 | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 17:33.01 | Hhhhh | c'mon, wobbly windows is fun!! |
| 17:33.13 | Hhhhh | I like the cube desktop the best |
| 17:36.06 | maquis | i think wobbly-windows are cool... but i've never really used them |
| 17:36.18 | sjansen | wobbly windows annoy me |
| 17:36.24 | sjansen | cubes don't have enough faces |
| 17:36.27 | maquis | royal icing isnt' the tastiest stuff, but it sure is fun to decorate with |
| 17:36.35 | sjansen | now a hyper-cuber on the other hand... |
| 17:36.39 | redbeard1 | royal icing sucks |
| 17:36.47 | maquis | redbeard1: nit ot |
| 17:36.53 | maquis | hmm... |
| 17:36.56 | maquis | let's try that again |
| 17:37.02 | maquis | but it's fun to decorate cookies with |
| 17:37.07 | maquis | because you can do some really cool stuff |
| 17:37.15 | redbeard1 | i wasn't very happy with my recent experience with it |
| 17:37.24 | redbeard1 | so i switched to chocolate instead |
| 17:37.36 | redbeard1 | it ended up being more stable anyway |
| 17:37.38 | sjansen | When I tell my computer to do something, I want it to obey my will instantly, now force me to watch some stupid cut scene^?animation. |
| 17:37.49 | maquis | tuesday night was my first time decorating cookies with royal icing, and it looked really cool |
| 17:38.00 | maquis | sjansen: true |
| 17:38.07 | elg | sjansen: false |
| 17:38.16 | sjansen | sjansen: qbit |
| 17:38.21 | maquis | sjansen: i don't think i could use wobbly-windows long-term, but they look like fun to play with |
| 17:38.35 | elg | 1 down, several hundred to go (probably) |
| 17:38.43 | QBFreak | true, false, file_not_found |
| 17:38.44 | maquis | (and i'm still going to include my argument that i don't think "wobbly" is the right word... |
| 17:38.52 | maquis | "floppy" is much better) |
| 17:38.55 | beandog | its more like shimmily |
| 17:39.29 | elg | i want to see videos of these new fancy things |
| 17:39.32 | elg | the videos are cool |
| 17:40.08 | levi | They're cool in demos, but they're annoying when you're actually using your computer. |
| 17:40.09 | elg | I don't want them on my computer though. I'm like levi. drop shadows, the occasional translucency, and polish+consistency |
| 17:40.19 | beandog | levi: agreed |
| 17:40.36 | elg | the only special effect I have on in osx is the genie minimize/maximize. it doesn't get in the way |
| 17:41.07 | sjansen | ~ice redbeard1 |
| 17:41.14 | ibot | ACTION sneaks up behind redbeard1 and slides a single piece of ice down the back of his/her shirt and then dumps the entire bucket of ice down TheRedBaron's back |
| 17:41.15 | sjansen | ~lick redbeard1 |
| 17:41.17 | ibot | ACTION licks redbeard1 *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 17:41.19 | sjansen | ~eat redbeard1 |
| 17:41.21 | ibot | ACTION eats redbeard1 and falls over dead |
| 17:41.28 | redbeard1 | ~brulee sjansen |
| 17:41.30 | ibot | ACTION whisks sjansen with eggs and cream, and bakes at 350F before sprinkling with sugar and torching |
| 17:42.40 | elg | ~TheRedBaron |
| 17:42.41 | ibot | theredbaron is, like, a newbie, and a cheeky blighter |
| 17:42.51 | elg | hehe |
| 17:43.01 | elg | ibot, you're a tattletale |
| 17:50.31 | ^Migs^ | http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/01/boston.bombscare/index.html |
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| 17:55.57 | maquis | "It had a very sinister appearance," Coakley told reporters. "It had a battery behind it, and wires." |
| 17:56.13 | ^Migs^ | like....a clock? |
| 17:56.19 | fozzmoo | hee hee. |
| 17:56.21 | ^Migs^ | an EEEEEVIL clock |
| 17:56.35 | maquis | you know... |
| 17:57.13 | maquis | terrorism doesn't succeed by killing people... it succeeds by making people so afraid that they act irrationally |
| 17:57.33 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 17:57.33 | maquis | the bostom police are encouraging terrorism by the way that they are handling this situation |
| 18:02.17 | findlay | batteries and wires are evil with hints of sinisterness. I thought everyone knew this |
| 18:03.28 | maquis | findlay: oh... right... |
| 18:05.27 | levi | A fearful populace is an easily controlled populace. |
| 18:05.52 | levi | One could come up with all sorts of semi-plausible conspiracy theories... |
| 18:06.35 | findlay | I wish the popilace were more sensible than afraid |
| 18:06.42 | findlay | s/i/u/ |
| 18:06.49 | findlay | whatever |
| 18:06.59 | levi | Well, we aren't exactly being encouraged to be sensible. |
| 18:07.40 | findlay | truly. It's depressing |
| 18:07.53 | ^Migs^ | here's another one: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16921137/?GT1=9033 |
| 18:07.59 | ^Migs^ | "It is outrageous, in a post 9/11 world, that a company would use this type of marketing scheme," Mayor Thomas Menino said Wednesday. "I am prepared to take any and all legal action against Turner Broadcasting and its affiliates for any and all expenses incurred during the response to today's incidents." |
| 18:08.10 | ^Migs^ | I didn't realize people still used the term "post 9/11 world." How pathetic. |
| 18:08.40 | levi | I saw an article entitled, "Was 9/11 Really That Bad?" which, despite the provocative title, was pretty sensible. |
| 18:10.38 | beandog | its just a hot button |
| 18:11.01 | beandog | One has to ask, why in the world would terrorists put stupid icons up all over the place. |
| 18:11.09 | beandog | did anyone bother to think it might be a gang? |
| 18:11.15 | beandog | or vandalism? |
| 18:11.28 | maquis | it's a cartoon character! |
| 18:11.35 | beandog | yes |
| 18:11.50 | Jayce^ | still, boxes with a cartoon char giving the finger, and wires etc.. all placed in 'strategic' positions.. |
| 18:12.04 | Jayce^ | not everybody watches adult swim :) |
| 18:12.09 | beandog | fools! |
| 18:18.01 | levi | Silly beandog. Anything bad is caused by terrorism. |
| 18:18.45 | redbeard1 | i find it interesting that out of 10 cities, only boston freaked out |
| 18:19.10 | beandog | levi: you got a link fo rthat article? sounds intersting |
| 18:19.56 | levi | http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-bell28jan28,0,1900868.story?coll=la-home-commentary |
| 18:20.10 | beandog | thankee |
| 18:23.57 | beandog | levi: nice, thanks |
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| 18:26.03 | jgiboney | I was approached by a friend today that asked about creating a website... I was planning on setting up my linux machine into a webserver, and I am thinking this might be the time to do it... do any of you have webservers? what do you charge to store websites? |
| 18:27.48 | sjansen | $20 up front, no frills, no services, no access, guaranteed uptime of at least one week (no guarantees after initial week, no refunds) |
| 18:28.20 | fozzmoo | jgiboney: Our basic webhosting is $35/mo |
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| 18:28.35 | fozzmoo | But that's not our core business... just a convenience for our customers. |
| 18:28.38 | jgiboney | and who are "our" |
| 18:28.42 | fozzmoo | Iodynamics. |
| 18:28.52 | sjansen | jgiboney: I'm kidding about my service. If all you need is a place to keep some files, you can find places for like $2 a month. You'll get what you pay for. |
| 18:28.58 | fozzmoo | right. |
| 18:29.12 | goozbach | jgiboney: email your needs to admin@neverblock.com and we can work something out |
| 18:29.34 | fozzmoo | I was just going to recommend NeverBlock. :) |
| 18:29.38 | sjansen | If you need a dynamic Web site, the hosting is the cheap part, the development is the expensive part. Research accordingly. |
| 18:29.46 | jgiboney | well, I actually want to make a webserver out of my machine, so that I play with stuff |
| 18:30.04 | fozzmoo | Just make sure your friend who wants a website knows you're going to be playing with their stuff. :) |
| 18:30.27 | fozzmoo | "Why was my site down for several days?" "I was playing with stuff." |
| 18:30.29 | jgiboney | well he wants me to create the webpage. |
| 18:30.42 | jgiboney | :) |
| 18:30.44 | sjansen | Just make it clear to your friend that you're "playing" and that you make no promises. To be fair, you probably shouldn't charge anything until you have the experience to provide real service. |
| 18:31.13 | jgiboney | my cousin has a server and usually charges my clients $7 a month |
| 18:32.29 | findlay | sjansen: I'll make some webpages for you as long as you know my "playing" fee is $1024 per page |
| 18:33.33 | sjansen | Rule 1) Don't let money get in the way of a friendship. If you give a friend money, think of it as a gift. You might get something back, but don't count on it. Rule 2) Anyone you accept money from isn't a friend, they're a customer and you owe them the best service you can give. |
| 18:34.23 | sjansen | The world already has enough lousy fly by night hosting companies stealing people's money. You aren't desperately needed in that market. |
| 18:34.44 | jgiboney | in reality, I was thinking about trying to partner with this friend (which may not be the wisest thing either), and I don't want to have to pay the $7 a month |
| 18:40.52 | fozzmoo | jgiboney: Now ask something else - like what brand of spray-cheese you should buy. I want to read that essay from sjansen. :) |
| 18:41.00 | sjansen | Partnerships are a great way to start a company. Most don't stay that way though. Unfortunately, partnerships are a great way to end a friendship unless you pick your partner carefully. |
| 18:41.34 | sjansen | Spray cheese? Cheese doesn't spray. Chemicals spray. Food doesn't. |
| 18:42.07 | fozzmoo | Given enough pressure, anything will spray. |
| 18:42.13 | fozzmoo | Or enough laughter,. :) |
| 18:42.57 | sjansen | Okay, let me put this another way. No food product should be petroleum based. |
| 18:45.55 | jgiboney | ya I know partnerships aren't great, but he wants a website, and I would like to do it for him... the only problem is I know he doesn't want to pay 2000+ for it, and I don't really want to expect that of him, but that is a lot of time that I will be putting into it |
| 18:48.26 | sontek | http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/01/boston.bombscare/index.html?eref=rss_topstories |
| 18:50.21 | elg | don't go into a partnership if you're not 100% behind the business/product |
| 18:50.22 | beandog | harleypig: you give any more t hought to doing some testing? |
| 18:52.10 | harleypig | Yeah ... the problem is getting 2 contiguous hours to get started. Unless it's less complicated than I'm thinking. |
| 18:52.26 | harleypig | which it probably is ... I have this tendency to make things more complicated than they need to be. |
| 18:55.12 | maquis | jgiboney: what does he expect of this website? |
| 18:55.17 | maquis | how soon would it need to be up? |
| 18:55.24 | maquis | how dependable does it need to be? |
| 18:55.30 | maquis | how much traffic is he expecting? |
| 18:55.39 | maquis | what does it need to do? |
| 18:56.21 | elg | maquis: the last question is easy. it's obvious that every website created has one purpose. It needs to take over the world. |
| 18:56.27 | jgiboney | he wants a forum, with advertisements... not terribly difficult or anything, it probably won't get a lot of traffic at first |
| 18:57.00 | jgiboney | if my cousin had a drople like program it probably woud be easier |
| 18:57.03 | maquis | jgiboney: does he want you to use existing forum software or does he want customized forum software? |
| 18:57.09 | harleypig | Holy crap. The humourless are in charge. And the sheeple are lining up for the slaughter. |
| 18:57.38 | jgiboney | i don't know yet, I sent hime to www.coolhomepages.com to see what he likes |
| 18:58.23 | fozzmoo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx2ytr2Oyv4 |
| 18:59.38 | harleypig | Bostonites are idiots. |
| 19:01.01 | harleypig | I like the two guys responses to the morons^Wreporters. |
| 19:01.31 | harleypig | It's about the same level of idiocy as the response from the government. |
| 19:01.44 | elg | i love how the reporters are all hurt |
| 19:02.26 | harleypig | Yeah. The reporters (except for one, who plays into their hair theme). |
| 19:02.35 | harleypig | He's the only one who seemed to get it. |
| 19:03.53 | elg | "how DARE you treat the press like mind-sucking mischaracterizing leeches? how DARE you deprive us of the juicy details we so rightly deserve to gossip about? |
| 19:05.32 | harleypig | The governments response is just as bad: unconscionable, outrageous, corporate greed, |
| 19:05.46 | harleypig | And a state congressman, obviously pimping for votes: "It would be hard to dream up a more appalling publicity stunt." |
| 19:06.10 | harleypig | ppphtt. I can think of several ideas that are more appalling. |
| 19:06.58 | tene | http://www.jon22.net/ |
| 19:06.58 | elg | i can only hope the majority in boston have a better sense of humor |
| 19:07.16 | elg | i met quite a few people in connecticut that would be rolling on the floor |
| 19:09.09 | harleypig | "It had a very sinister appearance," Coakley told reporters. "It had a battery behind it, and wires." |
| 19:09.16 | harleypig | Onoes!!!!11! |
| 19:11.04 | elg | wires! |
| 19:12.57 | levi | Only terrorists use wires. |
| 19:13.04 | elg | I think it's excellent. we need more absurd overreactions |
| 19:13.16 | elg | wake people up to the absurdity of it all |
| 19:13.19 | elg | levi: that was a good article |
| 19:13.41 | levi | elg: The latimes one? |
| 19:13.50 | elg | the how bad was it really |
| 19:13.59 | harleypig | Everything since 911 has been an absurd overreaction. And people *won't* wake up. Hell, the "normals" didn't even blink when the FAA banned liquid and gel. |
| 19:14.20 | harleypig | They just went "Baaaa" |
| 19:14.39 | elg | if it gets absurd enough, they will. I hope |
| 19:18.01 | maquis | elg: the "i hope" is the most important part of that sentence |
| 19:20.25 | elg | otoh, if people get paranoid enough the apocalypse won't have to be really bad in order for it to seem apocalyptic |
| 19:20.39 | elg | and the rest of us can just ride it out without too much worry |
| 19:21.14 | levi | Here's hoping that our next president will drop the whole 'War on Terror' thing. I'm all for having our intelligence people keep a close eye on possible terrorist threats, but they should do it quietly and let us get on with our lives. |
| 19:21.32 | elg | amen |
| 19:23.14 | fozzmoo | I wish it were that easy. |
| 19:25.28 | bonez39 | let's get rid of all our chemical arms...haul them over there..to IRAQ and open the bombay doors.....hasta la vista... |
| 19:27.40 | jsmith | bonez39: I knew there would be at least one person in the channel that liked the "We don't care what other people think. We're gonna do what we want to protect our interests." idea. |
| 19:29.30 | bonez39 | jsmith, oh, I meant..let's get rid of stuff we don't want here...and then come home...put up the protectionist walls..and just stay to ourselves...;) |
| 19:29.52 | redbeard1 | http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/print.html |
| 19:29.54 | bonez39 | phlegm......can't forget that irritating G... |
| 19:30.19 | jsmith | Yeah, it's a word I can't ever spell right |
| 19:34.41 | elg | just think of the g as the phlegm in plegm |
| 19:42.39 | fozzmoo | /quert jsmith |
| 19:42.43 | fozzmoo | GAH! |
| 19:51.20 | maquis | ~lart fozzmoo |
| 19:51.27 | maquis | ~perl fozzmoo |
| 19:51.30 | ibot | ACTION forces ^Migs^ to use perl |
| 19:51.36 | fozzmoo | ??? |
| 19:51.40 | maquis | hmmm |
| 19:52.28 | jsmith | That wasn't what I expected |
| 19:55.55 | ^Migs^ | ~perl ^Migs^ |
| 19:55.56 | ibot | ACTION forces ^Migs^ to use perl |
| 19:56.02 | ^Migs^ | looks like it works fine |
| 19:56.12 | jsmith | ~perl ibot |
| 19:56.13 | ibot | ACTION forces ^Migs^ to use perl |
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| 20:17.06 | goozbach | punkbucket! |
| 20:17.19 | goozbach | ~lart incompentence |
| 20:17.25 | goozbach | harder! |
| 20:17.30 | jsmith | What now? |
| 20:17.51 | goozbach | jsmith: they've stolen my asterisk project right out from under me |
| 20:18.12 | harleypig | Who is they? |
| 20:18.25 | goozbach | and given it to a guy who's first linux experiance was when we both went to the digium bootcamp |
| 20:18.31 | goozbach | harleypig: the powers that be |
| 20:18.58 | goozbach | this guy is the same one who claimed that "Asterisk is getting sued for failing to be E911 compliant" |
| 20:19.01 | harleypig | ah. The ones who only respond to the right kind of butt-kissing. |
| 20:19.02 | jsmith | goozbach: Who wha? |
| 20:19.08 | harleypig | ? |
| 20:19.15 | jsmith | goozbach: Of course, you've got to look at who you're working for ;-) |
| 20:19.24 | goozbach | jsmith: I understand that |
| 20:19.42 | harleypig | I've forgotten. Who are you working for? |
| 20:19.44 | goozbach | the last 3 months has been "we need to get this done, like yesterday!" |
| 20:20.04 | jsmith | goozbach: Just let him flounder, and then he'll come back begging for help |
| 20:20.18 | goozbach | so we had a meeting yesterday about what's holding us up (moslty the un-named not being able to come up with a dialplan) |
| 20:20.29 | harleypig | No. Separate yourself entirely. Don't help him at all. He sounds like the type to take all the credit. |
| 20:20.42 | goozbach | jsmith: that's the funny part, they're bringing in outsite help |
| 20:20.50 | goozbach | to do what I told them I can do |
| 20:20.52 | jsmith | goozbach: Like me?!? |
| 20:20.59 | harleypig | :> |
| 20:21.05 | jsmith | goozbach: Have them bring me in, and then you can still do all the work ;-) |
| 20:21.31 | sjansen | heh |
| 20:21.40 | goozbach | sokol and asso. should have been contacted already |
| 20:21.44 | goozbach | bastages |
| 20:21.45 | jsmith | w00t! |
| 20:21.52 | jsmith | I mean, I'm sorry ;-( |
| 20:23.02 | levi | Heh, a true geek: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bjornb/372367465/ |
| 20:23.13 | goozbach | anyway, at the meeting I said "If you give me a logical flow of the dialplan, and let me go to work, I can get it done" |
| 20:23.35 | goozbach | the answer was "No, <incompetent> will be doing all the work" |
| 20:24.20 | goozbach | to which I gave up and decided that the idiot could replicate the last three months of my work, and I could let him see just how long it takes. |
| 20:24.26 | sjansen | goozbach: There's only two things you can do at this point. 1) Hide meat around the office where it won't be found until the smell makes everyone sick. Quit. Scratch mean words into their cars. 2) Cash your pay check into quarters then fill your bathtub with them. Get in and laugh maniacally while showering in money. |
| 20:25.11 | goozbach | sjansen: it's funny, everyone with the exception of this employee and his boss want me to do the project |
| 20:25.26 | goozbach | including the customer (the group which will be using the call center) |
| 20:25.59 | levi | Ahh, office politics. |
| 20:26.37 | findlay | tell me about it |
| 20:27.21 | sjansen | Oh, well that makes it easier. Get an untraceable hotmail account then send the customer "proof" that the boss will use their server hardware to kill and eat small animals. Encourage the customer to demand that he and no-name apologize or be fired. Encourage the customer to then demand that the boss be fired anyway. |
| 20:28.50 | beandog | sjansen: so *you* got me fired! |
| 20:29.50 | sjansen | beandog: It wasn't me. I just learned from your experience. You'll just have to believe me when I say I'm not cold enough to do that to a squirrel. |
| 20:29.51 | findlay | ~rampage beandog |
| 20:29.54 | ibot | ACTION throws angry squirrels bearing laser-equiped helmets at beandog |
| 20:30.07 | beandog | sjansen uses hotmail! ha-ha</nelson> |
| 20:30.12 | beandog | :) |
| 20:30.13 | sjansen | beandog: The goat might've been me, I mean I guess I'm capable, but it also wasn't. |
| 20:30.39 | beandog | those poor squirrels. |
| 20:30.46 | sjansen | As for the shaving cream... |
| 20:31.07 | sjansen | You wouldn't believe the kinds of discounts you can negotiate when you buy in bulk. |
| 20:31.36 | harleypig | everything's nice and clean |
| 20:31.54 | beandog | I buy Eggos in bulk of 100 |
| 20:31.59 | beandog | for $2.25 |
| 20:32.01 | beandog | it's great |
| 20:32.27 | sjansen | beandog: You mean you were responsible for the eggos! You realize, this means war. |
| 20:32.37 | beandog | sweet |
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| 20:35.12 | findlay | have you ever tried to throw them at a BYU football game? |
| 20:41.52 | graphyx | I suppose that it would be hard to miss given how big those games usually are. |
| 20:42.54 | findlay | well there was a time when throwing tortillas was the fad. I suppose beandog could start a new fashion |
| 20:49.02 | ^Migs^ | there was some guy on the old Lower Lights BBS named "Jalapeno" who always did "/me throws bean dip" |
| 20:51.11 | ^Migs^ | I'm not sure why I remember that |
| 20:51.29 | ^Migs^ | maybe back then in my teenage awkwardness I thought that was "cool" |
| 20:52.37 | levi | ^Migs^: Who were you on Lower Lights? |
| 20:55.44 | maquis | ~lart PeregrineFalcon |
| 20:56.07 | PeregrineFalcon | :) I'm alive. |
| 20:56.36 | findlay | ~^Migs^'s BBS memories |
| 20:56.48 | ibot | ACTION throws beandip at ^Migs^ |
| 20:57.31 | ^Migs^ | I don't even remember, levi |
| 20:57.40 | ^Migs^ | I might have been Quasar way back then |
| 20:57.49 | maquis | PeregrineFalcon: sup? |
| 20:57.52 | ^Migs^ | I don't think I adopted Migs until about 10 years ago on IRC |
| 20:58.11 | levi | I went to a couple of Lower Lights get-togethers. |
| 20:59.18 | PeregrineFalcon | Not much, just teaching a security class this week (always fun stuff). Thinking about writting a blog post about this whole thing in Boston. |
| 20:59.29 | PeregrineFalcon | maquis: you? |
| 20:59.33 | ^Migs^ | I think I was only 15 so not entirely old enough for going to Lower Lights get-togethers on my own, and my parents wouldn't have approved of it |
| 20:59.44 | ^Migs^ | who were you on Lower Lights, levi? |
| 20:59.47 | ^Migs^ | not that I'd remember |
| 21:00.09 | ^Migs^ | I just remember a couple. The owner's skank daughter and this girl I used to flirt with |
| 21:00.11 | maquis | PeregrineFalcon: doing pretty good... keeping busy with work |
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| 21:01.27 | levi | I was Hedgehog. |
| 21:03.34 | ^Migs^ | that sounds familiar, but probably just because it's a word in the dictionary |
| 21:04.48 | emcnabb | so, we had 1 inch of snow and the entire city shut down |
| 21:05.08 | emcnabb | every school, doctors offices, everyone works from home |
| 21:05.12 | emcnabb | it's great |
| 21:06.52 | PeregrineFalcon | emcnabb!! |
| 21:09.12 | sjansen | emcnabb: wimp |
| 21:10.12 | goozbach | punky wimp |
| 21:10.37 | emcnabb | PeregrineFalcon!! |
| 21:10.42 | emcnabb | I'm not a wimp |
| 21:10.53 | emcnabb | I went out and did what I needed to |
| 21:11.06 | emcnabb | heck, give me a foot of snow |
| 21:12.10 | PeregrineFalcon | How you do what needs to be done with snow if there's only an inch? |
| 21:12.27 | macnewbold | lower lights! w00t! I think my nick on there was freshman |
| 21:13.28 | emcnabb | PeregrineFalcon: I'm not sure how the neighborhood kids did it, but they made some impressive snowpersons (note my political correctness) |
| 21:13.34 | PeregrineFalcon | Where are you this week, sjansen? |
| 21:13.45 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The channel for OSS discussion | http://www.plug.org/node/28 | <levi> I was Hedgehog. |
| 21:13.47 | PeregrineFalcon | lol @ emcnabb |
| 21:13.50 | PeregrineFalcon | cool. |
| 21:14.19 | emcnabb | sjansen: 1 ton of snow spread over my yard would be a lot less than 1 ft deep. You are such a cheapskate |
| 21:14.44 | sjansen | PeregrineFalcon: tysons corner |
| 21:15.02 | emcnabb | sjansen was to big of a pansy to come and visit me |
| 21:15.36 | PeregrineFalcon | It's not that long a drive from VA to NC. |
| 21:16.03 | emcnabb | he could have made it here in 6 hrs, no problem |
| 21:16.07 | emcnabb | (each way) |
| 21:16.29 | sjansen | I actually did try driving down. Got as far as the NC border and highway patrol turned me back. Roads were closed because of snow. Guess they thought anyone interested in being in NC obviously can't drive in snow. |
| 21:16.33 | PeregrineFalcon | I know kerney has done that just to get sushi in philly before. |
| 21:16.50 | PeregrineFalcon | lol |
| 21:16.56 | emcnabb | sjansen: sure... |
| 21:17.10 | emcnabb | since the snow didn't hit until this morning! |
| 21:17.13 | PeregrineFalcon | shi shi, xiaolong |
| 21:17.59 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.08 | sjansen | ? |
| 21:18.25 | emcnabb | he has a *dirty* mind! |
| 21:18.29 | emcnabb | haha, so funny |
| 21:18.55 | PeregrineFalcon | dorks. I know I'm not good at writting englishified chinese, but that was supposed to be "thank you". |
| 21:19.19 | maquis | PeregrineFalcon: xie-xie :) |
| 21:20.02 | PeregrineFalcon | Ah. See, if you stick around you can learn somthing new every day. Perhaps it won't be useful, but it'll be new and you'll have learned it! |
| 21:20.18 | maquis | :) |
| 21:20.24 | emcnabb | it's a good thing you didn't say "chi-chi's, maquis!" |
| 21:20.48 | maquis | emcnabb: true... |
| 21:21.06 | maquis | actually, i learned that phrase when i was probably 4 or 5... |
| 21:21.19 | maquis | (i grew up with a lot of random spanish phrases) |
| 21:21.20 | ^Migs^ | urine is actually fairly sterile, not dirty |
| 21:22.43 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: yes, but most people consider it dirty; can I come pee on your carpet? |
| 21:23.29 | ^Migs^ | that's a ridiculous question. Of course you can't, but then I also wouldn't wanting you spilling a gallon of bleach on my carpet either |
| 21:23.35 | ^Migs^ | s/wanting/want/ |
| 21:24.25 | emcnabb | darn |
| 21:25.54 | findlay | is there an equivalent to a <literal> html tag? |
| 21:26.08 | fozzmoo | <pre>? |
| 21:26.10 | findlay | like you can do in LaTeX |
| 21:26.15 | fozzmoo | Is that what you mean? |
| 21:27.00 | findlay | I think so, but isn't that depreciated in favor of CSS? |
| 21:27.33 | macnewbold | deprecated, shmeprecated |
| 21:27.38 | macnewbold | <pre> isn't deprecated |
| 21:27.48 | fozzmoo | <center> is deprecated. :) |
| 21:27.54 | fozzmoo | <pre> is still good. :) |
| 21:28.08 | findlay | is there a way to wrap it in a CSS block? |
| 21:28.41 | findlay | or is my thinking unauthorized and renegade? |
| 21:29.04 | ^Migs^ | what do you mean by "wrap it in a CSS block"? |
| 21:29.13 | macnewbold | one place says to use font-family: monospace |
| 21:29.21 | ^Migs^ | uh, no |
| 21:29.22 | macnewbold | but it might not be exactly equivalent to <pre> |
| 21:29.27 | ^Migs^ | that's just a font |
| 21:30.13 | tene | <pre class="foo"> |
| 21:30.28 | fozzmoo | To do <pre> in CSS, you'd have to do monospace font and turn off line wrap... |
| 21:30.29 | macnewbold | you can try <tt> too if you want |
| 21:30.32 | fozzmoo | Not sure whatelse. |
| 21:31.30 | macnewbold | aha |
| 21:31.56 | macnewbold | findlay: I think setting white-space: pre; would do it |
| 21:32.06 | macnewbold | change the font to monospace too, if you want |
| 21:32.19 | macnewbold | but <pre> is so much faster to type, |
| 21:32.23 | findlay | if so, then you could easily say the <pre> tag is superfluous |
| 21:32.35 | macnewbold | and semantically represents your intention: preformatted text |
| 21:32.59 | fozzmoo | supermegahyperfluous. :) |
| 21:33.15 | macnewbold | there are a lot of redundant tags in html, and I think probably some redundant declarations/specifications in CSS too, at least if you include the MSIE stupid "extensions" to css |
| 21:33.19 | findlay | indeed |
| 21:35.10 | goozbach | pineapple! |
| 21:35.26 | findlay | ~blame goozbach's pineapple |
| 21:36.10 | ibot | ACTION blames goozbach's pineapple (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 21:36.12 | fozzmoo | If you are going to be a team player, maybe you should just STAY! Yeah. STAY! |
| 21:36.38 | goozbach | I'm going to KILL YOU! *pause, look around* |
| 21:37.07 | goozbach | "Why won't you deflate PFFFFFFFF?" |
| 21:40.51 | goozbach | do you hate your job fozzmoo? |
| 21:41.37 | goozbach | "I'm not playing your stupid game!" |
| 21:41.44 | goozbach | -- "BOO!" |
| 21:42.03 | fozzmoo | :) |
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| 21:43.04 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 21:43.19 | tene | coi ti`ocpi |
| 21:43.31 | ti`ocpi | coi tene |
| 21:44.52 | ^Migs^ | what are some allegedly redundant tags in HTML? |
| 21:46.33 | macnewbold | <strong> and <b>, <em> and <i> |
| 21:47.22 | fozzmoo | <big> <small> |
| 21:47.30 | fozzmoo | I guess those aren't redundant. |
| 21:47.32 | tene | <cow> |
| 21:47.32 | fozzmoo | They're just stupid. |
| 21:47.40 | tene | <moogle> |
| 21:47.40 | fozzmoo | Oh yeah- the <cow> tag. |
| 21:47.57 | fozzmoo | The <cow> tag suffers from browser compatibility issues. |
| 21:48.07 | fozzmoo | It doesn't render properly on mobile devices. |
| 21:48.30 | tene | fozz: because cows are huge? |
| 21:49.22 | fozzmoo | Pretty much. |
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| 21:49.36 | fozzmoo | I mean, you'll pull up a page and it'll just be white... |
| 21:49.59 | fozzmoo | but you don't know if there's something wrong or if you're just looking at a very small portion of a rendering of a Holstein. |
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| 22:24.32 | nick125_ | brb |
| 22:38.55 | maquis | ~rlart |
| 22:40.35 | findlay | I want a PDA |
| 22:41.09 | synic | that's what phones are for |
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| 22:48.11 | ^Migs^ | woot.com has had three different products so far today |
| 22:48.24 | jsmith | ^Migs^: Yes, it's called a woot-off |
| 22:48.34 | jsmith | ^Migs^: They do it every once in a while (usually wednesdays) |
| 22:48.42 | ^Migs^ | oh, I didn't know that |
| 22:48.46 | ^Migs^ | now I know |
| 22:48.47 | jsmith | And since they're moving offices, they're trying to unload a bunch of stuff |
| 22:48.48 | ^Migs^ | and knowing is half the battle |
| 22:48.51 | ^Migs^ | G.I. JOE!!!!! |
| 22:48.55 | jsmith | Yesterday and today |
| 22:54.39 | macnewbold | ~zippy |
| 22:56.21 | rsimpkins | oooo, wootoff |
| 22:56.42 | rsimpkins | I love the stats they show. |
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| 23:43.44 | goozbach | fozzmoo: there's a new derrick |
| 23:43.50 | elg | anyone use backuppc? |
| 23:43.51 | fozzmoo | Oh dear. |
| 23:43.55 | goozbach | the bboy stance |
| 23:44.09 | fozzmoo | k. |
| 23:44.37 | xiaolong | ?? |
| 23:44.43 | fozzmoo | !! |
| 23:44.51 | xiaolong | .. |
| 23:45.08 | beandog | ^^ |
| 23:45.11 | fozzmoo | I guess, for everyone else's benefit, we should post a URL to the derrickcomedy stuff. |
| 23:45.17 | xiaolong | << |
| 23:45.19 | xiaolong | >> |
| 23:45.32 | xiaolong | \/ |
| 23:45.36 | xiaolong | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.44 | beandog | :o |
| 23:45.45 | xiaolong | (( |
| 23:45.47 | xiaolong | )) |
| 23:46.49 | fozzmoo | http://derrickcomedy.com/ |
| 23:47.41 | goozbach | http://derrickcomedy.com/jerry.htm |
| 23:47.47 | goozbach | hadn't seen that one either |
| 23:48.22 | fozzmoo | I saw that one. Not as good as Girls Are Not To Be Trusted. |
| 23:48.22 | goozbach | they do sprinkle a f-word or two around, but other than that it's not too bad |
| 23:48.22 | sontek | You hever seen the Bro Rape from derrick comedy? :P |
| 23:48.25 | fozzmoo | Yep. |
| 23:48.28 | goozbach | it's all about wrist control |
| 23:48.36 | goozbach | oh yeah forgot about that one |
| 23:48.38 | sontek | its amazing |
| 23:48.50 | sontek | "Wish me luck!" |
| 23:48.52 | goozbach | that's not for the faint hearted (typical #utahner) |
| 23:49.02 | sontek | haha yeah |
| 23:50.48 | goozbach | "aparently she's been real faithfull to him" |
| 23:59.58 | goozbach | http://derrickcomedy.com/dietcoke.htm |
