| 00:05.33 | bonez39 | I'd be grub will do fine with that setup.... |
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| 00:10.52 | nick125 | beandog: experienced any with RAID/LVM? |
| 00:11.07 | beandog | nick125: not recently |
| 00:11.14 | beandog | I have used both though |
| 00:11.39 | nick125 | beandog: I was hoping if you knew if grub could pull a kernel from a RAID1/LVM2 setup? |
| 00:11.49 | beandog | hmm |
| 00:12.21 | beandog | raid, you might, depending on the type since its ro |
| 00:12.36 | beandog | I just setup a small ext2 partition for boot anyway, and leave it alone |
| 00:12.48 | beandog | lvm, I doubt it. |
| 00:12.53 | beandog | I dunno. |
| 00:16.37 | nick125 | I've done LVM2 /boot before, but, I haven't done RAID-1+LVM2 |
| 00:16.41 | harleypig | Is anyone familiar with a wordperfect conversion utility? |
| 00:17.06 | harleypig | Preferably something that can output all the formatting codes in human readable form |
| 00:17.25 | beandog | wv soemthing |
| 00:17.30 | beandog | uh |
| 00:17.32 | beandog | brb |
| 00:17.36 | harleypig | k |
| 00:17.47 | beandog | libwpd |
| 00:17.49 | beandog | I was way off. |
| 00:18.04 | beandog | app-text/wpd2sxw too |
| 00:18.23 | harleypig | sxw? what's that? |
| 00:18.26 | harleypig | and thanks. |
| 00:18.37 | beandog | ooffice format |
| 00:18.39 | nick125 | reiserfs 3.6 or ext3? |
| 00:18.50 | beandog | ext3 |
| 00:19.05 | nick125 | I was thinking the same, but, I wanted to get everyone's opinion |
| 00:19.12 | beandog | if its anything but your home box :) |
| 00:19.19 | harleypig | beandog: I see. thanks. |
| 00:19.34 | nick125 | beandog: this is my home box |
| 00:19.35 | beandog | harleypig: not keyworded amd64 looks like, but it might work. |
| 00:19.41 | beandog | reiser++ |
| 00:19.55 | harleypig | :] Actually, this would go on a x86 server. |
| 00:20.01 | beandog | buh |
| 00:20.16 | nick125 | I personally hate reiser |
| 00:20.29 | nick125 | It has some of the worst data recovery tools |
| 00:27.42 | beandog | harleypig: also, I think abiword can read wp docs |
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| 00:27.42 | beandog | cant remember. |
| 00:27.42 | harleypig | beandog: yeah, it can |
| 00:28.03 | harleypig | but I need to write something to convert more than 2000 wpd files. |
| 00:28.25 | harleypig | Hopefully I'll be able to massage the data as I go ... /me crosses his fingers. |
| 00:28.52 | beandog | well one of those tools should be able to act as a pipe |
| 00:29.07 | beandog | I remember using it once to convert a handful with one shell script |
| 00:30.02 | harleypig | yeah, looks like there is wpd2text ... I just don't know how good it will be |
| 00:30.07 | beandog | that's it |
| 00:31.00 | harleypig | How well does it export formatting? |
| 00:31.22 | beandog | I think it ignores it |
| 00:31.31 | beandog | for the txt ones |
| 00:32.19 | harleypig | I need to export the docs and munge them so that we can shove them into a db and get decent formatting info into the db as well. |
| 00:32.30 | harleypig | err ... yeah ... |
| 00:32.41 | beandog | ohy |
| 00:32.43 | beandog | sounds fun |
| 00:33.38 | harleypig | I mean, I need to be able to pull a semi-standardized summary ffrom each document. |
| 00:34.17 | herlo | beandog: I think you mean 'oi' |
| 00:34.19 | harleypig | semi-standaridize everything (title, summary, content, etc.) |
| 00:34.23 | beandog | oy |
| 00:34.24 | herlo | beandog: or 'oy' |
| 00:34.27 | beandog | I misttyped |
| 00:34.28 | herlo | hehe |
| 00:34.28 | harleypig | yeah, my response was oy vey |
| 00:34.33 | herlo | me too actually |
| 00:35.08 | herlo | my fingers sometimes forget to do what my mind wants them to do |
| 00:36.23 | harleypig | ? about wpd2text exporting formatting codes? |
| 00:43.46 | goozbach | sweet! my NXT works under linux |
| 00:43.55 | goozbach | I write my app, and compile it |
| 00:43.58 | goozbach | wewt |
| 00:46.55 | findlay | hello |
| 00:47.10 | findlay | s/os/is/ |
| 00:51.06 | harleypig | beandog: isn't there a way to display which packages depend on a package? like, if I wanted to find out what packages depended on libwpd? |
| 00:51.31 | beandog | http://spaceparanoids.org/gentoo/gpnl/package.php?cat=app-text&pkg=libwpd |
| 00:52.15 | beandog | reverse deps |
| 00:52.25 | findlay | harleypig: equery from gentoolkit or qlist from portage-utils |
| 00:52.42 | findlay | equery depends libwpd |
| 00:53.53 | beandog | findlay: I *think* that will only show them if they are installed. |
| 00:54.29 | findlay | beandog: yes |
| 00:54.41 | beandog | ah, -a |
| 00:54.41 | beandog | cool. |
| 00:55.11 | findlay | generally the equivalent q<command> is faster though |
| 00:55.52 | beandog | most likely |
| 00:56.29 | findlay | can't find the one that searches reverse deps |
| 00:56.32 | harleypig | this is taking a long time ... what's wrong with doing (from /usr/portage) grep -r DEPEND * | grep libwpd ? |
| 00:56.40 | beandog | equery depends -a libwpd |
| 00:56.43 | beandog | its takes forever though. |
| 00:56.48 | beandog | harleypig: did you see that url? |
| 00:56.50 | beandog | that has em right there |
| 00:56.58 | beandog | abiword-plugins, koffice, kword, etc. |
| 00:57.14 | harleypig | No, looking at it now. |
| 00:58.05 | harleypig | that's kind of limited. *sigh* |
| 01:01.25 | beandog | :T |
| 01:02.47 | harleypig | I mean, my options. Although I guess now'd be a good time to learn XS programming in perl... maybe |
| 01:05.56 | nick125 | wee |
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| 01:09.27 | beandog | right on |
| 01:11.27 | nick125 | 3 more minutes |
| 01:35.20 | goozbach | ibot: say invoke goozbach |
| 01:35.22 | ibot | invoke goozbach |
| 01:35.29 | goozbach | hmm... |
| 01:35.35 | Tene | invoke goozbach |
| 01:35.40 | goozbach | let's try that again |
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| 01:35.59 | goozbach | ibot: say invoke goozbach |
| 01:36.00 | ibot | invoke goozbach |
| 01:36.10 | Tene | invoke goozbach |
| 01:37.14 | goozbach | now I remember why I turned that off |
| 01:37.21 | goozbach | I hadn't fixed it yet |
| 01:38.56 | macnewbold | haha |
| 01:39.31 | Tene | invoke goozbach |
| 01:39.39 | Tene | :D |
| 01:39.57 | goozbach | hmmm... needs a timestamp |
| 01:40.10 | macnewbold | invoke goozbach |
| 01:40.14 | macnewbold | hehe, that's fun |
| 01:40.34 | goozbach | fixing it |
| 01:40.45 | goozbach | taking your toys away |
| 01:41.14 | goozbach | Tene: you rang? |
| 01:41.57 | Tene | goozbach: Yes, and then I ran away and hid in the bushes. ;) |
| 01:42.22 | macnewbold | doh |
| 01:42.35 | macnewbold | invoke goozbach again |
| 01:42.40 | macnewbold | invoke goozbach |
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| 01:42.47 | macnewbold | doh |
| 01:42.48 | macnewbold | too late |
| 01:43.29 | goozbach | I spent $45 on text messages last month, geez stop it |
| 01:44.08 | nick125 | goozbach: You should get unlimited SMS messages |
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| 01:47.15 | macnewbold | so invoking the almighty goozbach sends you a text message to your cell phone? that's an even better toy than I thought... |
| 01:47.29 | goozbach | macnewbold: yeah cool no? |
| 01:47.39 | macnewbold | very cool |
| 01:48.00 | goozbach | http://users.netradius.com/~goozbach/sendme.pl |
| 01:48.22 | goozbach | nick125: I'm waiting for my contract to be up |
| 01:48.30 | goozbach | gonna upgrade phones AND plans |
| 01:48.41 | goozbach | maybe even switch networks |
| 01:52.19 | goozbach | hmm... time limit on the pager, or send once? |
| 01:52.28 | goozbach | I'm thinking send once |
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| 02:39.51 | findlay | goozbach: what do you think about this: Eventually when wifi becomes ubiquitous you can just get any old linux powered wifi device and use it to connect to your asterisk server |
| 02:41.44 | levi_home | Mmmm... baked potato, bratwurst, and good mustard. |
| 02:52.05 | findlay | ~steal levi_home's supper |
| 02:52.06 | ibot | ACTION grabs levi_home's supper and gives it to findlay |
| 02:52.35 | levi_home | Unfortunately, I've finished it. I want more, but there is none. :( |
| 02:52.57 | levi_home | The baked potato was herb-crusted and was so tasty it needed no butter or sour cream. |
| 02:53.24 | levi_home | And the mustard was the whole-seed variety, and blended excellently with the bratwurst. |
| 02:53.40 | findlay | no fair |
| 02:54.27 | levi_home | One of the joys of having a wife is getting nice dinner surprises like this. :) |
| 02:54.44 | findlay | can you find me one of those? |
| 02:54.52 | findlay | wives, I guess they call them? |
| 03:12.56 | goozbach | oh oh oh !!! I want one |
| 03:14.47 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.57 | goozbach | tomorrow's friday! |
| 03:18.02 | goozbach | cool! |
| 03:18.20 | Tene | goo: those are some scary-looking eyes. |
| 03:19.47 | vontrapp | what the heck is a Thread-Index: email header? |
| 03:21.07 | vontrapp | "no, i wont use the ubiquitous standard for email threading. but i will throw in this obscure thread-index thing to help you mail client not thread right unless it's the same as mine" |
| 03:21.24 | beandog | heh |
| 03:21.26 | beandog | that sounds about right. |
| 03:22.40 | goozbach | Tene: scary looking? |
| 03:22.45 | goozbach | I quite like em |
| 03:22.56 | vontrapp | ~eye goozbach |
| 03:22.58 | ibot | ACTION eyes goozbach up and down, making goozbach extremely nervous and paranoid |
| 03:23.46 | goozbach | this pic's better: http://myspace-091.vo.llnwd.net/01221/19/09/1221419091_l.jpg |
| 03:23.50 | vontrapp | why are my feet always cold? |
| 03:24.09 | goozbach | poor circulation |
| 03:24.18 | goozbach | or sock gnomes. |
| 03:24.22 | goozbach | take your pick |
| 03:27.57 | Tene | The eyes aren't scary in that one. I approve. |
| 03:28.43 | goozbach | so glad you do |
| 03:29.37 | levi_home | Heh, "Most people who couldn't afford health insurance are also too poor to owe taxes. But... if you give them a deduction from their taxes they don't owe, they can use the money they're not getting back from what they haven't given to buy the health care they can't afford." |
| 03:32.35 | vontrapp | O.o |
| 03:33.30 | vontrapp | How about just tax for health care, then those that are too poor to owe taxes still don't pay taxes _and_ have health care! |
| 03:33.44 | vontrapp | at least it's more logical |
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| 04:14.34 | findlay | ibot: what does everything come up as when you're alive? |
| 04:20.16 | findlay | ok, now this is just cool |
| 04:20.18 | findlay | http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=218686&cid=17761790 |
| 04:34.05 | levi_home | vontrapp: Logical plans wouldn't make very good fodder for Colbert. |
| 04:36.54 | findlay | ~logos levi_home |
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| 04:43.21 | calvarez | hello |
| 04:43.49 | levi_home | Hello, calvarez. |
| 04:45.59 | findlay | levi_home: so, you going to find me a wife or what? |
| 04:46.18 | levi_home | findlay: No, that's your job. |
| 04:46.25 | findlay | I was afraid of that |
| 04:47.39 | findlay | levi_home: where do you think I can find a good slide rule? |
| 04:48.00 | levi_home | Beats me. |
| 04:48.09 | calvarez | cool, install fest on Saturday |
| 04:48.10 | levi_home | Ask google? |
| 04:48.35 | calvarez | is there a default distro they use in the install fests at BYU? |
| 04:48.38 | findlay | levi_home: no results yet ): |
| 04:48.39 | Tene | findlay: make one? |
| 04:48.48 | findlay | Tene: I've considered that |
| 04:49.10 | Tene | calvarez: the distro approved by whoever burns install cds to bring, as I recall |
| 04:49.16 | findlay | a sweet aluminum (or titanuium!) laser etched piece of cold calculating metal |
| 04:49.29 | calvarez | I see |
| 04:49.41 | findlay | it's enough to make me salivate |
| 04:49.50 | Tene | And you'd make one for me too, right? |
| 04:49.55 | findlay | of course |
| 04:51.57 | findlay | levi_home: all I've seen so far are antique ones |
| 04:53.07 | Tene | findlay: I'd suggest "-antique -old" and such, but I'd prefer you to make one yourself. |
| 04:53.40 | findlay | Tene: I'd love to but I have no accessory machine shop |
| 04:54.12 | findlay | precision tools make much better other precision tools |
| 04:54.15 | findlay | than by hand |
| 04:54.16 | Tene | findlay: you could make one! |
| 04:54.40 | findlay | Tene: but I'm an idealist, and I'd rather it look awesome |
| 04:55.14 | Tene | findlay: make precision tools to use to make the slide rule. |
| 04:55.40 | findlay | http://www.hpmuseum.org/ |
| 04:56.03 | findlay | Tene: no money. Besides I don't think I can fit a lathe in my bedroom |
| 04:56.51 | levi_home | findlay: What do you mean by 'antique' ones? You want a /new/ one? |
| 04:57.47 | findlay | yes |
| 04:58.08 | findlay | something practical that doesn't appeal to collector nuts |
| 04:59.19 | levi_home | http://www.sphere.bc.ca/test/cheap.html |
| 05:02.08 | findlay | why do all slide rule sites look as old as the technology? |
| 05:02.48 | levi_home | http://www.sliderules.info/trade/makers.htm |
| 05:04.21 | levi_home | findlay: Probably because people who care about nice web pages aren't slide rule fanatics. |
| 05:04.33 | levi_home | And not that many people care about slide rules. |
| 05:14.39 | herlo | I want to match if a word/combination of characters is not in the line |
| 05:14.51 | herlo | here's an example |
| 05:14.57 | herlo | I have the following two files: |
| 05:15.20 | herlo | My.File.Number1.txt |
| 05:15.32 | herlo | My.File.Number1.extracontent.txt |
| 05:15.48 | herlo | and I want to get ones that match My.File, but that do not match extracontent... |
| 05:16.26 | findlay | diff? |
| 05:16.30 | Tene | grep -v |
| 05:16.36 | Tene | oh, regex |
| 05:17.11 | Tene | negative lookahead? |
| 05:17.17 | herlo | yep, currently he has something like '^[Mm]y\.File.+(^extracontent).+\.txt' |
| 05:17.21 | findlay | positive lookaround? |
| 05:17.26 | herlo | Tene: maybe, how do you do that? |
| 05:17.31 | herlo | ~bonk findlay |
| 05:17.54 | Tene | (?!extracontent) |
| 05:18.03 | herlo | I know what I am doing is wrong, |
| 05:18.06 | herlo | Tene: reference? |
| 05:18.12 | Tene | wrong how, exactly? |
| 05:18.12 | findlay | wait, your matching the file name, not the contents? |
| 05:18.13 | herlo | as in web reference... |
| 05:18.19 | herlo | findlay: right |
| 05:18.23 | findlay | ok |
| 05:18.25 | findlay | (: |
| 05:18.30 | Tene | herlo: some notes that maquis took at a presentation Jayce gave a few years ago. |
| 05:18.43 | herlo | Tene: on her site? |
| 05:18.44 | findlay | the (^extracontent) anchor is wrong? |
| 05:18.49 | herlo | findlay: I know |
| 05:18.55 | herlo | I am trying to fix that |
| 05:19.01 | Tene | herlo: on the desktop in my basement |
| 05:19.10 | herlo | haha, Tene you need to post them... |
| 05:19.33 | findlay | herlo: so how does it not work? |
| 05:19.42 | herlo | findlay, it matches both... |
| 05:19.52 | herlo | or something similar... |
| 05:20.33 | findlay | just a sec |
| 05:20.50 | herlo | Tene: no luck |
| 05:21.44 | herlo | here's the exact example...http://pastebin.ca/328942 |
| 05:22.00 | Tene | herlo: perl -ne 'print if /[Mm]y\.File.+(?!extracontent).+\.txt/' |
| 05:22.03 | herlo | I tried your example, and it doesn't match... |
| 05:22.14 | herlo | Tene: that might owrk... |
| 05:22.20 | Tene | although actually... |
| 05:22.20 | herlo | I'll try that... |
| 05:22.44 | herlo | Tene: yes? |
| 05:22.52 | Tene | herlo: perl -ne 'print if /[Mm]y\.File.+(?<!extracontent)\.txt/' |
| 05:23.17 | Tene | negative lookbehind |
| 05:23.21 | herlo | oh, word boundaries |
| 05:24.59 | herlo | Tene: I've seen that referenced somewhere before the ?<! refers to something "not" in the line being checked? |
| 05:25.05 | Tene | Yeah. |
| 05:25.29 | herlo | Tene: except that doesn't work either... |
| 05:25.38 | herlo | $ ls -1 20070125/* | perl -ne 'print if /[Gg]reys.+(?<!ac3).+\.torrent/' |
| 05:25.38 | herlo | 20070125/greys.anatomy.s03e13.hdtv.xvid-xor.avi.torrent |
| 05:25.39 | herlo | 20070125/greys.anatomy.s03e13.hr.hdtv.ac3.5.1.xvid-nbs.avi.torrent |
| 05:25.55 | herlo | oh, wait... |
| 05:26.22 | Tene | Okay, that's different. |
| 05:26.29 | Tene | personally, I'd just grep -v ac3 |
| 05:26.47 | herlo | Tene: except that I am trying to do it all in one line |
| 05:27.16 | herlo | because the alternative is creating two (or more) regex lines for each search |
| 05:27.39 | Tene | The problem with what you're doing there is that the negation isn't anchored anywhere. |
| 05:27.53 | Tene | You're saying that there has to be at least one place in that section without "ac3" |
| 05:28.00 | Tene | And there are many places without "ac3" |
| 05:28.02 | herlo | Tene: I know |
| 05:28.17 | Tene | oh, right, you're asking for the right way to do it. |
| 05:28.22 | herlo | Tene: yes, some places... |
| 05:28.27 | herlo | Tene: yeah... |
| 05:29.51 | Tene | You need to either use two patterns or have more structured filenames. |
| 05:30.08 | Tene | It's probably *possible* to make it work, but it wouldn't be pretty. |
| 05:30.15 | herlo | two patterns would work, but I was just hoping to use classes or something... |
| 05:30.30 | Tene | although... |
| 05:30.52 | Tene | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.53 | Tene | works |
| 05:31.04 | Tene | I think |
| 05:31.48 | Tene | I just tested it and it works fine with your two examples |
| 05:32.24 | herlo | k |
| 05:32.57 | herlo | Tene: thanx that did it |
| 05:33.04 | Tene | np |
| 05:33.05 | herlo | I think I was off by a character or soemthing |
| 05:33.10 | herlo | before |
| 05:33.17 | Tene | No, tha's different from what you posted. |
| 05:39.17 | Tene | xkcd is awesome tonight. |
| 05:40.05 | herlo | Tene: no, I meant different from one you posted recently. I think I mistyped one of the characters you gave me in translation |
| 05:41.07 | Tene | oh |
| 05:41.09 | Tene | Perhaps! |
| 05:42.08 | herlo | haha, thx again |
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| 06:53.15 | findlay | is there a way to get html to display literal text, or to get it to display literal whitespace? |
| 06:54.57 | Tene | <pre> |
| 06:55.00 | Tene | I think |
| 06:55.15 | Tene | Although on second thought, that might be a $somethingelse-ism |
| 06:57.20 | Tene | http://htmldog.com/reference/htmltags/pre/ |
| 06:57.36 | Tene | <pre> displays literal whitespace |
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| 14:05.05 | goozbach | http://xkcd.com/c215.html |
| 14:05.44 | goozbach | sad thing is that I've done that |
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| 14:31.12 | goozbach | GOOD friday morning everyone! |
| 14:31.15 | goozbach | ~friday |
| 14:31.16 | ibot | Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 14:31.29 | goozbach | good morning ibot |
| 14:32.10 | goozbach | ibot has a case of the mondays methinks |
| 14:32.18 | jsmith | ~monday |
| 14:32.19 | ibot | i heard monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix |
| 14:32.37 | goozbach | ~thursday |
| 14:32.38 | ibot | "This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent) |
| 14:32.49 | synic | goozbach: me too man. Me too. |
| 14:32.49 | goozbach | ~saturday |
| 14:32.50 | ibot | Saturday is the day that sucks the least! |
| 14:33.02 | synic | (referring to xkcd) |
| 14:33.02 | goozbach | ~tuesday |
| 14:33.03 | ibot | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday). |
| 14:33.16 | goozbach | ~sunday |
| 14:33.19 | ibot | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 14:33.30 | goozbach | hmm good info |
| 14:33.57 | goozbach | I could never spell weds |
| 14:34.04 | goozbach | ~spell wensday |
| 14:34.22 | goozbach | ~wednesday |
| 14:34.23 | ibot | Wednesday sucks, because it is only half way through the week. |
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| 14:39.08 | redbeard1 | goozbach: userdel megan |
| 14:40.09 | graphyx | This is amuzing |
| 14:40.11 | graphyx | http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SECOND_LIFE_PARODY?SITE=CTNHR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT |
| 14:44.16 | goozbach | so from now on I'm going to tell people that my birthday is Confusion 66 |
| 14:44.40 | jsmith | goozbach: I thought it was the 32nd of Septober |
| 14:44.49 | jsmith | Or was it Octember... I can never remember |
| 14:45.13 | goozbach | jsmith: nope, Confusion 66, 3146 YOLD |
| 14:45.53 | goozbach | which just happens to be Boomtime |
| 14:46.27 | jsmith | Oh, is that in Mayan time or something? |
| 14:47.23 | goozbach | no exactly |
| 14:47.34 | goozbach | it's the discordian calendar |
| 14:48.58 | jsmith | Never heard of it. |
| 14:49.21 | goozbach | look at the ddate command on most linux systems |
| 14:49.27 | goozbach | ~ddate |
| 14:49.39 | goozbach | ~date |
| 14:49.40 | ibot | It is now 2007.01.26 14:49:40 GMT |
| 14:49.59 | goozbach | ok ibot needs a ddate command |
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| 16:47.32 | sjansen | http://www.betanews.com/article/Access_Renames_Palm_OS_to_Garnet_OS/1169751780 |
| 16:47.51 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> to Channel for OSS discussion | See http://www.plug.org/node/28 | PHP workshop hosted by OALUG & UPHPU Jan 27 in Ogden- Watch http://groups-beta.google.com/group/oalug for details | BYU-UUG installfest on Sat. Jan 27 11-3 |
| 16:48.46 | sjansen | Palm OS was already on its last leg. Seperating it from what little customer recognition it still had seems like a very stupid idea. |
| 16:49.30 | findlay | w00t! my new roomate is a gentoo user |
| 16:50.09 | findlay | they're just clearing out the palm space more fully for Linux to dominate |
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| 17:00.22 | levi | findlay: s/Linux/Windows Embedded or whatever it's called these days. |
| 17:01.39 | findlay | levi: but Linux will dominate I predict |
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| 17:03.15 | levi | findlay: In precisely the same way that it now dominates the desktop market. |
| 17:04.16 | findlay | no |
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| 17:07.00 | levi | findlay: What makes you think Linux will dominate on PDAs? |
| 17:07.27 | findlay | levi: I'm optimistic (: |
| 17:07.50 | levi | That goes beyond optimistic and into delusional territory. |
| 17:08.02 | findlay | perhaps |
| 17:08.33 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 17:08.38 | ^Migs^ | another Linux fanboi |
| 17:08.46 | levi | It might end up being a sustainable market, but it's certainly not primed to dominate right now. |
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| 17:09.11 | ^Migs^ | I love this channel. So many naive fanbois thinking Linux is all that + a bag of chips |
| 17:09.29 | findlay | all I care about is when I'm ready to purchase the ideal handheld device I'll be able to find one that fulfills all my expectations |
| 17:09.30 | ^Migs^ | that all us Windows users are CRAZY for not falling madly in love with Linux |
| 17:09.33 | levi | Linux, like all software, is crap. |
| 17:09.48 | findlay | indeed |
| 17:10.03 | ^Migs^ | I think Linux can be useful and fills a very small niche for a minority of users |
| 17:10.09 | findlay | better than its closed source counter-manure |
| 17:10.15 | ^Migs^ | for most purposes, however, Windows is just better |
| 17:10.21 | findlay | haha |
| 17:10.24 | findlay | now that's funny |
| 17:10.33 | ^Migs^ | funny AND true |
| 17:10.37 | findlay | well, depends on how you define better |
| 17:10.53 | nick125- | I want to stab someone who says "linux is ready for the desktop" |
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| 17:11.07 | findlay | linux is ready for my desktop |
| 17:11.07 | levi | ^Migs^: Fortunately for me, the aspects for which Linux actually is better are the ones for which I've used it. |
| 17:11.10 | maquis | nick125-: i wouldn't say it's completely ready for the desktop, but it's getting pretty close |
| 17:11.11 | findlay | always has been |
| 17:11.14 | nick125- | (as in, general consumption for the public) |
| 17:11.24 | maquis | nick125-: ubuntu is *extremely* close |
| 17:11.29 | nick125- | maquis: true |
| 17:11.34 | findlay | I don't care much about the general public, unfortunately |
| 17:11.36 | maquis | gentoo is *not* |
| 17:11.39 | nick125- | but, still, a bit short |
| 17:11.44 | findlay | let them waste away in windows land |
| 17:11.49 | nick125- | maquis: haha, of course |
| 17:11.50 | maquis | nick125-: not really much shorter than windows is |
| 17:12.37 | nick125- | I've played with an ubuntu box, and, 99 percent of stuff worked out of box |
| 17:12.44 | maquis | exactly |
| 17:13.09 | maquis | and they're working on that last 1% and trying to actually listen to their users |
| 17:13.20 | nick125- | plugged an ipod in via firewire, and, bam, rythmnbox opened up |
| 17:13.41 | maquis | like findlay, though, i'm happy that there are distros that *aren't* ready for the average user |
| 17:13.57 | nick125- | yeah |
| 17:14.06 | nick125- | I personally like my gentoo box |
| 17:14.23 | nick125- | its much more fun to work with then ubuntu |
| 17:14.35 | levi | I liked my gentoo box, aside from the time I wasted with it compiling stuff. |
| 17:15.52 | nick125- | I mean, I'm truely impressed with the progress the ubuntu team has made |
| 17:15.57 | findlay | so, in effect, they're dumbing down ubuntu to the common windows denominator |
| 17:16.09 | maquis | findlay: but making it better than windows |
| 17:16.13 | findlay | I say make the user work for what he wants |
| 17:16.23 | levi | findlay: Making Linux 'usable' is not 'dumbing it down'. |
| 17:16.51 | maquis | my only issue with ubuntu is that i like to have complete control over what runs on my system... |
| 17:16.52 | findlay | levi: some aspects might be |
| 17:17.04 | findlay | maquis: see? |
| 17:17.17 | maquis | findlay: but i think ubuntu has a place in the market |
| 17:17.39 | maquis | findlay: here's the thing... i want to be able to use linux at my workplace |
| 17:17.56 | nick125- | I've always wondered, if linux took off like windows, would we start to see the kinds of issues with malware, or is it actually inheritently "secure"? |
| 17:18.03 | maquis | my workplace is *not* going to put gentoo on their boxes |
| 17:18.20 | levi | Novell mandates Linux on the desktops. |
| 17:18.24 | findlay | oh noes, not gentoo? |
| 17:18.37 | nick125- | gentoo is a pain to admin |
| 17:18.39 | findlay | I'm just trying to be argumentative |
| 17:18.42 | levi | So, most people run vmware full-screen with Windows. :P |
| 17:18.50 | nick125_ | hahaha |
| 17:19.14 | maquis | nick125-: i don't know about slackware, but the interesting thing about the claims about the popularity of windows being the cause of all the security holes and such doesn't make complete sense |
| 17:19.15 | findlay | levi: do you have real evidence for that? |
| 17:19.34 | nick125_ | I should probably work on getting my server back up |
| 17:19.45 | levi | findlay: Just second-hand reports and anecdotal evidence. |
| 17:19.52 | levi | findlay: Have you heard differently? |
| 17:19.53 | maquis | because a lot of hackers want to hit big-name sites... like government servers, major companies, etc |
| 17:20.16 | nick125_ | maquis: well, let's say windows had 1-2 percent market share, would you see as much malware targetted towards it? |
| 17:20.17 | maquis | while unix-based systems are less common on desktops, they're not significantly less-comon on major servers |
| 17:20.29 | maquis | nick125_: malware, probably not |
| 17:20.36 | findlay | maquis: I think there's a good kernel <-> user space security policy with linux, maybe becuase it's an independent project from all the other stuff that runs on it |
| 17:20.44 | levi | findlay: My company has fairly close ties with Novell at the moment, so our guys visit there every once in a while. |
| 17:20.44 | findlay | levi: no, it just sounded funny |
| 17:20.47 | maquis | but if it still had a large server market, i'd say that they'd probably still be hacked a lot |
| 17:20.55 | nick125_ | but, in the server industry, there would be tighter security |
| 17:20.59 | levi | findlay: One of my classmates is an employee there, too. |
| 17:21.50 | maquis | nick125_: just a thought... |
| 17:22.02 | maquis | nick125_: anyway, i think the vast majority of malware is honestly pebkac |
| 17:22.29 | findlay | nick125_: of course there's going to be social level, maybe even user level malware, but not system compromising level unless you get sony rootkits for ubuntu and people blitehly type in their sudo pw |
| 17:22.52 | findlay | s/blitehly/blithely |
| 17:23.05 | nick125_ | here's the things that are huge problems for linux and opensource world domination: 1) multimedia; 2) drivers (video/wifi mainly); 3) propietary windows only applications; 4) games |
| 17:23.28 | findlay | none of those things I really care about |
| 17:23.52 | maquis | findlay: the other thing that would be a problem would be if people added random repositories that they found online to their system |
| 17:24.00 | nick125_ | and 5) is the people themselves, as it seems that people are reluctant to change |
| 17:24.08 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 17:24.20 | findlay | maquis: so the whole software loop ought to be tightened down a lot |
| 17:24.23 | maquis | nick125_: video drivers are my main complaint |
| 17:25.00 | nick125_ | I'm going to get on a real keyboard, brb |
| 17:25.00 | findlay | maquis: but that's why they have repo signatures, rigth? |
| 17:25.00 | maquis | ~lart ATI |
| 17:25.25 | maquis | findlay: but if the repository is joe 1337's repository, he could have plenty of items that he's signed, and that won't help anything |
| 17:25.32 | nick125_ | driver developers/hardware vendors seem to put linux at the bottom of their priorities |
| 17:25.55 | maquis | because if the user doesn't have a problem with using joe 1337's repository, then they're still going to end up with trojans |
| 17:25.57 | findlay | maquis: well, the key is only part of the solution. You need distro sanctioned keys |
| 17:26.03 | maquis | findlay: yes |
| 17:26.11 | maquis | but anyone can set up a repository |
| 17:26.26 | findlay | nick125_: I think things are changing slowly in that space |
| 17:26.32 | nick125_ | this brings another question up: is windows really the problem with regards to malware/etc? |
| 17:26.54 | maquis | and if sally wants a game, and can't find it on the official repositories, but finds it on joe 1337's repository, she's going to add joe's repository to her system |
| 17:27.10 | nick125_ | or is it user-triggered? |
| 17:27.26 | maquis | nick125_: i think that windows has certain features that contribute to the malware problem... but a large portion of the problem is pebkac |
| 17:27.27 | findlay | maquis: then totally isnsulate the user from /etc/apt/sources.list. Instead present them with a hand holding gui that only lets them know about anointed repos |
| 17:28.39 | findlay | maquis: maybe make it difficult for third party repos, and easy to contribute to a trusted one? |
| 17:29.03 | findlay | or make developers and packagers want to contribute |
| 17:29.21 | sjansen | http://software.ericsink.com/entries/Technology_Dependence.html |
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| 17:33.24 | nick125_lappy | findlay: but, you don't want to limit the community/3rd party repos though |
| 17:33.44 | nick125_lappy | that kind of gets rid of the entire openness factor |
| 17:34.10 | findlay | yeah |
| 17:34.21 | findlay | interesting to see what happens |
| 17:34.27 | findlay | if anything ever happens |
| 17:34.44 | findlay | but I'm content in either case |
| 17:34.45 | levi | Well, when mheath finishes his stint in the Navy, he can solve all the problems and make the ultimate Linux distribution for the masses. |
| 17:34.53 | findlay | yeah! |
| 17:35.46 | nick125_lappy | sounds good |
| 17:35.58 | nick125_lappy | Let's hold off on this issue until then |
| 17:36.03 | findlay | battleship Linux! |
| 17:36.40 | levi | Huh, when did the Inferno OS go open source? |
| 17:37.30 | findlay | we won't need it when we have battleship Linux |
| 17:37.47 | Jayce^ | levi, wasn't that the one on TimRiker's phones? |
| 17:38.03 | sjansen | *sigh* I'm going to have to learn at least Haskel and OCaml if I'm going to maintain my self respect, aren't I? |
| 17:38.09 | levi | Jayce^: Yeah, I think so. |
| 17:38.40 | findlay | sjansen: levi's got at least 15 languages on you |
| 17:39.39 | levi | sjansen: Why those two in particular? |
| 17:40.17 | levi | I snicker a little bit inside when I hear my advanced architecture professor brag about knowing 15 languages. |
| 17:41.18 | levi | Apparently he used to do embedded programming in Forth, though, which is pretty cool. |
| 17:41.19 | findlay | heh |
| 17:42.12 | sjansen | levi: priority of language = intelligence of person recommending X number of distinct references / similarity to languages I already know |
| 17:42.49 | findlay | what's distinct references? |
| 17:43.00 | levi | And he implemented a new language for his Ph.D. dissertation, which although kind of awkward, has some cool stuff in it. |
| 17:43.26 | levi | And he quoted C.A.R. Hoare. That's always a sign of coolness. |
| 17:44.51 | levi | sjansen: I know Caml pretty well, though I haven't used the OO features of OCaml very much. It is definitely worth learning, though Haskell seems to have a brighter future. |
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| 17:46.08 | TimRiker | Jayce^: yes. was inferno and it did go open source some time ago, but the sources to the philips port were never made public to my knowledge. |
| 17:54.21 | levi | sjansen: I have some free tutorials and stuff for Haskell I got online, but I want to get Paul Hudak's 'The Haskell School of Expression' |
| 17:55.59 | findlay | levi: have you looked at fortress yet? |
| 17:56.30 | harleypig | Isn't that the one with Christopher Lambert? |
| 17:56.37 | levi | findlay: I've read the introduction and summary parts of the fortress spec, but I haven't played with the prototype interpreter yet. |
| 17:56.46 | Jayce^ | ~smack harleypig |
| 18:10.09 | findlay | ~program harleypig |
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| 18:14.27 | findlay | beandog: my new roomate is a gentoo user |
| 18:14.41 | beandog | findlay: sweet! |
| 18:14.47 | findlay | totally |
| 18:15.02 | beandog | I should totally make that a requirement for my next roommate. |
| 18:16.14 | Jayce^ | beandog, if only you had requirements earlier in life :) |
| 18:16.20 | beandog | You didnt do the dishes again? Ha ha ha, oh well, at least you use Gentoo. |
| 18:16.21 | beandog | :) |
| 18:16.27 | Jayce^ | of course, we both had interesting first roommates :) |
| 18:16.46 | beandog | oy |
| 18:16.53 | beandog | :) |
| 18:17.09 | beandog | findlay: what arch, thats the real question |
| 18:17.16 | findlay | don't know yet |
| 18:18.20 | beandog | Jayce^: I tried setting up a bbs the other day in linux, still couldnt get it working. Some things I can just never figure out. -_- |
| 18:18.34 | findlay | I wonder if I could handle it if my wife were computer illiterate |
| 18:21.11 | beandog | just think how much you could impress her if she was |
| 18:21.41 | beandog | or that might backfire and be the other way around. |
| 18:22.05 | findlay | I find the older I get the more I tend to want in a spouse |
| 18:22.31 | beandog | really? I find myself panicking and quickly shortening my list. :) |
| 18:22.59 | sjansen | Nice, just discovered a security hole in RT because they're enforcing filtering at the presentation layer instead of the data layer. |
| 18:23.17 | findlay | sjansen: why are you using RT? |
| 18:23.29 | beandog | whats RT |
| 18:23.33 | findlay | ~rt |
| 18:23.34 | ibot | An n-dimensional raytracer.. URL: http://www.csh.rit.edu/~pat/Nd/rt.shtml |
| 18:23.45 | sjansen | Nope, a Perl based issue tracker. |
| 18:23.53 | findlay | bestpractical.com/rt/ |
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| 18:25.31 | Tene | yay, new recruit for #utah |
| 18:25.37 | ti`ocpi | hi |
| 18:25.45 | sjansen | ~greet ti`ocpi |
| 18:25.49 | ti`ocpi | my rattie says "hi" too |
| 18:25.57 | goozbach | ohh a n SUU alum |
| 18:26.03 | Tene | ibot: rt is also a Perl-based issue tracker at http://bestpractical.com/rt/ |
| 18:26.04 | ibot | okay, Tene |
| 18:26.09 | sjansen | ~greet ti`ocpi you stupid bot! |
| 18:26.12 | ti`ocpi | heh, not an alum |
| 18:26.13 | Tene | hehe |
| 18:26.23 | goozbach | well student, I suppose |
| 18:26.25 | sjansen | ~welcome ti`ocpi |
| 18:26.26 | ti`ocpi | yup |
| 18:26.32 | ti`ocpi | thankies ^^ |
| 18:26.47 | sjansen | ~lart ibot for being a stupid bot |
| 18:26.57 | sjansen | ~punish ibot for being a stupid bot |
| 18:26.59 | goozbach | ti`ocpi: what is you major? |
| 18:27.19 | findlay | isn't that for the kernel to decide? ha ha |
| 18:27.20 | ti`ocpi | english |
| 18:27.41 | goozbach | good, if it was CS I'd be telling you to run |
| 18:27.48 | goozbach | maquis: just like it's spelt |
| 18:27.49 | goozbach | geez |
| 18:27.51 | Tene | ~lart ibot |
| 18:28.05 | ti`ocpi | Tee-ho-sh-pee |
| 18:28.07 | findlay | ~do something |
| 18:28.44 | goozbach | until I dropped out of course |
| 18:28.51 | ti`ocpi | I came here because of the english program :) |
| 18:29.02 | findlay | and became a cheesecake connisuer |
| 18:29.19 | findlay | s/conwhatever/spell it correctly/ |
| 18:29.34 | Tene | ~spell connisuer |
| 18:29.39 | ti`ocpi | I live in the Manzanita dorms >:P |
| 18:29.54 | Tene | findlay: "conifer" |
| 18:29.55 | beandog | hardened linux? |
| 18:30.01 | beandog | hardened as in, toolchain works, and nothing else. |
| 18:30.13 | maquis | Tene: what's your question as part of the english program? |
| 18:30.16 | maquis | er |
| 18:30.18 | maquis | Tene: sorry |
| 18:30.26 | nick125 | beandog: Haha, I guess |
| 18:30.46 | findlay | time for class |
| 18:30.50 | maquis | ti`ocpi: how is your arrival here related to the englihs major? |
| 18:30.53 | beandog | you could manage for a server okay, I imagine. |
| 18:30.56 | Tene | Yeah, nicks that start with 't' are awesome. |
| 18:30.56 | nick125 | last time I used hardened, it was evil, but, I was wondering if it has changed |
| 18:30.56 | beandog | I wouldnt do it for anything else though |
| 18:31.02 | beandog | probably not. |
| 18:31.05 | ti`ocpi | I meant I came to SUU |
| 18:31.10 | goozbach | I lived off campus |
| 18:31.15 | beandog | suu++ |
| 18:31.16 | ti`ocpi | my arrival here is due to Tene |
| 18:31.19 | beandog | suu is freaking awesome |
| 18:31.22 | goozbach | only part of SUU I liked |
| 18:31.26 | nick125 | MySQL gave me a ton of "memory errors", when it was actually a file permission issue |
| 18:31.38 | goozbach | beandog: you do the CS major there? |
| 18:31.43 | maquis | ti`ocpi: oh |
| 18:31.53 | beandog | goozbach: I did the lazy foob major. |
| 18:32.03 | beandog | I spent all my time playing Doom 2. |
| 18:32.41 | goozbach | see my problem was mostly Unreal Tournament |
| 18:32.48 | goozbach | and women |
| 18:32.55 | goozbach | and professors who didn't know anything |
| 18:33.54 | ti`ocpi | I wish there were more guys around campus |
| 18:34.06 | ti`ocpi | Its to a 60-40 ratio |
| 18:34.31 | ti`ocpi | *it's |
| 18:35.02 | macnewbold | 60 girls to 40 boys? those sound like the right odds to me... |
| 18:35.16 | ti`ocpi | not when you're female ;) |
| 18:35.29 | tene | ti`ocpi: yout old me that it was 1:5 |
| 18:35.37 | maquis | ti`ocpi: you need a different major |
| 18:35.40 | ti`ocpi | that's in my ward |
| 18:35.46 | tene | Oh. |
| 18:35.50 | maquis | ti`ocpi: remember that most of the guys around here are CS guys... |
| 18:35.54 | macnewbold | well then you're in the right place... here we're about 52 guys to 2 girls to 4 bots right now |
| 18:36.07 | ti`ocpi | hehehe |
| 18:36.21 | macnewbold | but some of the guys and half the girls are taken already |
| 18:36.30 | ti`ocpi | *snrk* |
| 18:36.37 | maquis | :) |
| 18:36.38 | macnewbold | so if you're talking about availble, it's about 30-40 guys to 1 girl atm |
| 18:36.56 | ti`ocpi | woot, now those are odds I like XD |
| 18:36.58 | goozbach | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/26/bofh_2007_episode_4 |
| 18:37.37 | tene | macnewbold: but how many of them live around SUU? |
| 18:37.46 | goozbach | that's another think I liked about SUU the ratio |
| 18:37.53 | goozbach | forgot about the ratio |
| 18:38.06 | goozbach | and the crazy music major girls |
| 18:38.08 | macnewbold | I don't live down there, but I visit frequently |
| 18:38.14 | goozbach | ohh doggy |
| 18:38.23 | macnewbold | music major girls are pretty crazy, I must confess |
| 18:38.26 | maquis | ~wtf suu |
| 18:38.27 | ti`ocpi | heh, yeah, lots of music major girls |
| 18:38.37 | beandog | souther utah univ. |
| 18:38.41 | beandog | cedar city |
| 18:38.41 | goozbach | Southern Utah University |
| 18:38.42 | beandog | ++ |
| 18:38.44 | macnewbold | ibot: suu is what sdibb said |
| 18:38.45 | ibot | macnewbold: okay |
| 18:38.51 | beandog | coolest school evah. |
| 18:38.55 | goozbach | meh |
| 18:38.56 | ti`ocpi | yes! |
| 18:38.56 | macnewbold | ibot, no suu is Southern Utah University |
| 18:38.57 | ibot | okay, macnewbold |
| 18:39.03 | goozbach | suu-- |
| 18:39.03 | tene | ibot: no, suu is Southern Utah University |
| 18:39.04 | ibot | tene: i already had it that way |
| 18:39.19 | tene | ibot: suu is also has too many girls |
| 18:39.20 | ibot | tene: okay |
| 18:39.23 | macnewbold | I visited SUU 3 times in the last 6 months for the shakespearean festival |
| 18:39.27 | beandog | ~suu |
| 18:39.27 | ibot | from memory, suu is Southern Utah University, or has too many girls |
| 18:40.49 | ti`ocpi | I have the cutest rattie on the planet ..... and I'm not gonna see her for 4 months :( |
| 18:40.57 | maquis | rattie? |
| 18:41.13 | ti`ocpi | my pet rat |
| 18:41.19 | ti`ocpi | her name is min |
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| 18:49.57 | sjansen | http://xkcd.com/c123.html |
| 18:50.24 | tene | xkcd++ |
| 18:50.45 | tene | I love the alt text on that one. |
| 18:51.39 | beandog | heh |
| 18:52.37 | elg | http://www.av8n.com/how/htm/motion.html#sec-centrifugal-field |
| 18:52.51 | tene | The current Penny Arcade strip is pretty good. |
| 18:53.25 | tene | Much better than the recent set of strips. |
| 18:54.23 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 18:54.50 | goozbach | you know what I want? |
| 18:55.00 | goozbach | a colorscheme ala VIM for BASH |
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| 18:55.12 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 18:55.34 | goozbach | eg: export COLORSCHEME=desert ls |
| 18:55.50 | goozbach | and have the scheme be all interchangeable |
| 18:55.56 | elg | wouldn't be too hard |
| 18:55.59 | elg | if you're only talking about ls |
| 18:56.07 | sjansen | ti`ocpi: Any relation to http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084649/ |
| 18:56.11 | elg | to set up a switching mechanism for different DIRCOLOR things |
| 18:57.01 | goozbach | I'd think I'd want it to cover more than DIRCOLOR |
| 18:57.09 | goozbach | but that'd be a place to start |
| 18:57.11 | elg | http://pastie.caboo.se/35885 |
| 18:57.13 | goozbach | I suppose |
| 18:57.52 | elg | what else is there? the prompt perhaps? |
| 18:58.06 | elg | you can't really control the background, etc. as that's the terminal's job |
| 18:58.45 | maquis | elg: syntax highlighting in commands! |
| 18:59.14 | goozbach | hans, you're a genious! |
| 18:59.18 | goozbach | and genial as well |
| 18:59.28 | goozbach | and generous to boot |
| 18:59.30 | elg | well, I just got sick and tired of not being able to read dark-blue on black |
| 18:59.47 | goozbach | hey that's my issue as well |
| 19:00.07 | elg | those colors work alright whether you end up stuck in a white terminal or not |
| 19:00.16 | elg | my mutt colors aren't so fortuitous |
| 19:00.30 | tene | sjansen: she's in class. Should I answer for her? |
| 19:00.38 | elg | but you ls in stupid white-background windows a lot more often than mutt |
| 19:01.02 | tene | personally, I use ls -F instead of ls --color |
| 19:01.45 | elg | tene: that's what I do on OSX |
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| 19:02.52 | tene | the cd-burning in rhythmbox is very well-hidden. |
| 19:03.38 | elg | is that a feature? |
| 19:03.40 | goozbach | what's interesting is that the dark blue inside screen is easer to read than outside screen |
| 19:03.54 | elg | different TERM settings probably |
| 19:04.25 | goozbach | yeah |
| 19:05.38 | tene | I always like to try the gui apps every once in a while to see how they work... but in this case... |
| 19:05.44 | goozbach | hmm |
| 19:05.52 | goozbach | nope same TERM settings |
| 19:05.57 | tene | "There was an error writing to the CD: The system is too slow to write the CD at this speed. Try a lower speed." |
| 19:05.57 | goozbach | interesting |
| 19:06.08 | tene | And the only spped options it gives me are "22x" and "36x" |
| 19:06.16 | tene | speed, even. |
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| 19:10.38 | goozbach | ok I'm not a big fan of the dark green for directories |
| 19:10.46 | goozbach | thanks for the direction anyhow elg |
| 19:10.54 | goozbach | now I tweak |
| 19:14.56 | tene | ... |
| 19:15.19 | tene | gnomebaker has a default setting of making a "21 min. CD" |
| 19:18.17 | levi | Huh, Randall L. Schwartz is on the squeak-dev list. |
| 19:18.58 | bonez39 | tene, are you able to burn cd's running 2.6.x? whenever I attempt to, I find if I revert to 2.4 kernel to burn, it works,b ut nothing I do with 2.6 seems to work...when trying to burn a cd |
| 19:19.31 | tene | bonez39: the problem was with rhythmbox. burning CDs in other ways works just fine. |
| 19:20.10 | bonez39 | I have tried with cdrecord.....with kcd(whatever the k app is called_).. and none work for me...until I reboot a 2.4 kernel.. |
| 19:20.45 | tene | Huh. |
| 19:21.08 | tene | Actually, the only thing I've burned on this laptop has been isos. I burned them with the builtin thing in Gnome. |
| 19:23.45 | herlo | tene: you could use k3b |
| 19:23.58 | tene | herlo: yeah, and so could your mom's face. |
| 19:24.11 | tene | herlo: if gnomebaker freaks out again, though, I might. |
| 19:24.16 | tene | Thanks for the suggestion. :) |
| 19:24.24 | herlo | ~lart tene for dis'ing my mom |
| 19:24.53 | tene | I'm sure your mother is a very classy lady. |
| 19:25.05 | herlo | you bet your britches she is!! |
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| 19:26.59 | tene | macnewbold: it's more entertaining if you don't, though. |
| 19:27.07 | macnewbold | yeah, seriously |
| 19:27.20 | macnewbold | something about someone's mom, then herlo lettin words fly, and boy oh boh |
| 19:27.24 | macnewbold | s/boh/boy |
| 19:27.32 | macnewbold | s/boh/boy/ |
| 19:27.36 | macnewbold | doh |
| 19:27.40 | macnewbold | s/doh/doy/ |
| 19:27.47 | macnewbold | s/doh/ibot is retarded/ |
| 19:27.51 | tene | s/s/s/s/s//// |
| 19:28.13 | goozbach | ibot's gonna get an anurism |
| 19:28.25 | tene | Hopefully. |
| 19:29.07 | herlo | goozbach: only if you can actually spell aneurysm correctly from now on |
| 19:30.43 | sjansen | ~lick herlo |
| 19:35.11 | herlo | sjansen: ew! |
| 19:37.06 | goozbach | ~lick me |
| 19:37.07 | ibot | ACTION rolls out his tongue for goozbach! |
| 19:37.27 | goozbach | I mean ... touch your tounge to mine to make it offical |
| 19:37.35 | goozbach | bah spelling |
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| 19:40.25 | goozbach | anyone know if there's a shorthand way of saying "scp this file right back from the way I came in" |
| 19:40.25 | goozbach | ? |
| 19:40.26 | Jayce^ | sz |
| 19:40.26 | jgiboney | is there a way to share my dialup connection from windows 2000 to my linux machine? |
| 19:40.26 | Jayce^ | if you have support for that |
| 19:40.26 | goozbach | sz? |
| 19:40.34 | Jayce^ | goozbach, zmodem send over your current tunnel.. |
| 19:40.37 | Jayce^ | sz filename |
| 19:40.45 | Jayce^ | your terminal has to support it |
| 19:40.48 | Jayce^ | man sz for details |
| 19:41.17 | goozbach | whadda know |
| 19:42.10 | goozbach | nope it froze |
| 19:43.01 | Jayce^ | yeah, you don't have your term setup, but it is sending the data to you right now |
| 19:43.12 | levi | findlay: Your 'My first Django filter' post made me laugh. :) |
| 19:46.15 | tene | findlay is frequently entertaining. |
| 19:46.24 | tene | He owes me a handmade slide-rule. |
| 19:49.31 | bonez39 | if I can print to windows, to its shared printer, from another windows machine.....is it possible something could reject, just print jobs coming from linux, i.e., not from windows? if some 'service' were turned off......in the admin tools part of control panel? |
| 19:50.40 | beandog | probably the more likely scenario is some widnows security patch broke samba. |
| 19:51.21 | beandog | if youre lucky though, the printer might support ipp |
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| 20:03.55 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.34 | sjansen | http://xkcd.com/c37.html <-- Why punctuation matters. |
| 20:09.00 | findlay | levi: thanks |
| 20:13.29 | macnewbold | sjansen: http://xkcd.com/c152.html |
| 20:15.29 | goozbach | http://xkcd.com/c211.html |
| 20:15.38 | goozbach | another hamster ball comic |
| 20:15.42 | levi | findlay: The juxtaposition of the 'My first...' with the typical highbrow intellectual style was amusing. |
| 20:16.55 | macnewbold | http://xkcd.com/c123.html |
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| 20:21.36 | goozbach | how's that sandwich comming? |
| 20:21.49 | goozbach | that's the only thing I can think about when I see that ^^ |
| 20:21.50 | emcnabb | http://www.plen.jp/ |
| 20:21.52 | emcnabb | that's awesome |
| 20:24.10 | emcnabb | the videos are impressive |
| 20:27.30 | harleypig | Hey ... it's only about $2k |
| 20:42.14 | bonez39 | beandog, I really think it's something in Windows update...which broke Samba on windows' side |
| 20:43.11 | elg | firewall maybe? |
| 20:43.19 | bonez39 | beandog, the only trouble with that is that from a virtual windows machine, running on linux....I can print JUST FINE...from any windows application running, but from the same machine, no linux printing works.. |
| 20:43.52 | bonez39 | I had zonealarm running, but I have marked the IP's for both the windows machine, and linux....IP's to pass through zone alarm on xp |
| 20:52.08 | bonez39 | I need a tool that will probe my installation and then point out the problems... |
| 20:55.23 | goozbach | emcnabb: I'll stick with my $250 Lego NXT |
| 20:55.30 | goozbach | thanks tho |
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| 20:59.13 | emcnabb | goozbach: can yours skateboard? |
| 21:03.39 | QBFreak | goozbach: I have the older RCX/RIS, is the NXT worth getting too? :) |
| 21:03.59 | QBFreak | I don't have a bluetooth capable phone, so that doesn't get me anything |
| 21:04.57 | QBFreak | not that I should worry about it now when I don't even have room to get what I have out |
| 21:10.06 | graphyx | anyone worked with snmp v3? |
| 21:10.25 | goozbach | QBFreak: I don't know |
| 21:10.28 | QBFreak | I wrote one last night to scan an IP range for hosts that respond to ping |
| 21:10.33 | goozbach | I'd say probally |
| 21:10.36 | graphyx | I am just taking a stab at running it, but could use a little help |
| 21:10.39 | QBFreak | yeah, cause its lego AND tech |
| 21:10.43 | macnewbold | graphyx: I've worked with v1-v2c, but I don't recall if I did much with 3 |
| 21:10.45 | QBFreak | it just doesn't get much better |
| 21:10.58 | goozbach | emcnabb: probally |
| 21:11.22 | goozbach | not quite like that, but given enough parts... |
| 21:11.24 | goozbach | hmmmm.... |
| 21:11.58 | goozbach | you can buy accelrermeters and tilt sensors which work with your NXT |
| 21:12.05 | goozbach | cant spell today |
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| 21:12.57 | calvarez | hello |
| 21:13.09 | goozbach | so I'm really liking trac |
| 21:13.09 | goozbach | trac++ |
| 21:18.22 | ^Migs^ | I'm teaching my noob friend how to use CSS. He's more of a noob than I thought he would be. |
| 21:18.31 | redbeard1 | http://i.somethingawful.com/inserts/articlepics/photoshop/08-19-05-signs/MasterNinja.jpg |
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| 21:20.06 | Supaplex | fungus: check out your neighbor http://aros.org/ |
| 21:22.37 | fungus | yeah, they've been around for a long time. |
| 21:24.04 | levi | redbeard1: Awesome. |
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| 21:33.20 | graphyx | macnewbold: What are the standards for the OIDs? |
| 21:33.47 | graphyx | Why will this machine do the walk with 1.3.6.1.2.1.31.1.1 ? |
| 21:34.22 | macnewbold | it will? or will not? |
| 21:34.46 | macnewbold | if you have your MIBs getting loaded correctly, it can translate those OIDs from numeric into words that mean something |
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| 21:49.21 | harleypig | Ks got OIDs? |
| 21:49.34 | harleypig | Does J too? |
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| 22:05.52 | goozbach | boring! |
| 22:06.03 | goozbach | it's friday afternoon |
| 22:06.10 | goozbach | I don't want to work anymore today |
| 22:07.03 | ^Migs^ | margin: 0 auto; |
| 22:07.17 | ^Migs^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.47 | Supaplex | heh |
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| 22:12.07 | Jayce^ | ~whalefart Keighvin |
| 22:17.17 | emcnabb | ~shoot Jayce^ |
| 22:17.26 | graphyx | anyone know of a free snmpwalk tool that does v3 for windows? |
| 22:18.16 | levi | I don't suppose net-snmp works with cygwin? |
| 22:19.30 | Supaplex | there are perl modules for snmp. I'd like to figure that stuff out sometime soon. |
| 22:21.47 | fungus | Cool, I want to work next to a suicide bridge. |
| 22:21.58 | levi | At least some of the perl modules rely on net-snmp libraries. |
| 22:22.11 | levi | (I'm using those ones) |
| 22:22.13 | Supaplex | fungus: no comment. :-D |
| 22:25.30 | Keighvin | Supaplex: $12 at most, with shipping. |
| 22:25.37 | Keighvin | Here, I'll give you $15 for it and save you the trouble. |
| 22:25.52 | Keighvin | And give you a few extra bucks for your trouble. |
| 22:26.16 | Keighvin | Ugh - I'm tired, I ended two sentences with the same word in rapid succession. |
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| 22:41.48 | findlay | levi: it's more than high brow language. I also was having fun with some stoic overstatement |
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| 22:58.27 | \me | anyone have any suggestions on how I can force-limit bandwidth on my server to no more than 200GB/mo? |
| 22:58.50 | \me | I just want to ensure that without me noticing I can't get charged like $500 for going over my bandwidth limits |
| 23:00.02 | findlay | nobody needs more than 640 K |
| 23:02.31 | \me | yeah, but my service allows up to 200GB, and a hacker has compromised me before, exceeding that and costing me $500 |
| 23:03.03 | goozbach | hmmm... |
| 23:04.01 | \me | it would also allow me if I want to resell I could limit other users from exceeding that |
| 23:06.21 | \me | anyone ever tried this?: |
| 23:06.23 | \me | http://www.ispconfig.org/ |
| 23:12.50 | findlay | \me: who's your isp? |
| 23:13.55 | \me | findlay: serverpronto.com |
| 23:14.18 | \me | $39/mo dedicated |
| 23:14.24 | \me | $29/mo colo |
| 23:14.31 | \me | best deal I've found |
| 23:14.41 | findlay | sounds pretty good |
| 23:14.56 | \me | yeah - you're just left on your own for things like bandwidth monitoring |
| 23:17.55 | \me | it looks like I might just be able to do it with iptables |
| 23:18.45 | Supaplex | apache might have some spiffy module for that. |
| 23:18.45 | findlay | aren't there some nice iptables front ends out there? |
| 23:19.12 | Supaplex | \me: that's pretty cheap, but how's their service? |
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| 23:26.32 | \me | btw, Xbox 360 still trumps the Wii |
| 23:26.39 | \me | I'm not that impressed with my Wii |
| 23:27.03 | dataw0lf | PS3 fope lyfe |
| 23:27.06 | \me | crashes every so often, no networked play |
| 23:27.26 | \me | the main benefit is the controllers and the retro Nintendo games |
| 23:27.37 | \me | My kids love it though |
| 23:27.44 | \me | there's my irc review for the day |
| 23:34.32 | beandog | serverpronto.com? |
| 23:34.34 | beandog | is that a vps solution |
| 23:34.39 | beandog | do they let you add additional swap? |
| 23:34.41 | beandog | thats the big killer. |
| 23:34.48 | \me | beandog: it's supposed to be dedicated |
| 23:34.53 | beandog | oh seriously? |
| 23:34.54 | beandog | freak. |
| 23:35.01 | \me | they also offer colo |
| 23:35.01 | beandog | \me: is that who you are using? |
| 23:35.12 | \me | beandog: I'm switching back to them, but I've used them before |
| 23:35.14 | beandog | ? whats the difference |
| 23:35.35 | \me | colo is you provide them with the server and just pay a monthly fee for the security and bandwidth |
| 23:35.49 | \me | colo is often long-term cheaper |
| 23:36.11 | \me | they're owned by infolink |
| 23:36.25 | beandog | wow are you serious? |
| 23:36.27 | beandog | that would kick booty. |
| 23:36.40 | \me | yeah - Charles referred me to them last year |
| 23:36.47 | \me | ldsoss is hosted with them |
| 23:36.51 | beandog | really? |
| 23:36.54 | \me | yup |
| 23:36.56 | beandog | well, cfry knows his shtuff. |
| 23:37.04 | beandog | heck, he's hosting my stuff. |
| 23:37.07 | \me | he's a smart guy |
| 23:37.19 | \me | he's making a bundle hosting several peoples' stuff |
| 23:37.28 | \me | and paying just $39/mo doing it ;-) |
| 23:38.41 | \me | did he ever get the job w/ Google? |
| 23:38.53 | beandog | I think so. |
| 23:39.03 | \me | I wish Google had offices in Utah |
| 23:39.13 | Supaplex | ditto :) |
| 23:40.34 | beandog | And they offer windows!!11 |
| 23:40.39 | beandog | I'm sold. |
| 23:40.52 | levi | Heh, why would Google have offices in Utah? |
| 23:41.14 | findlay | yeah |
| 23:41.19 | beandog | foof, $69 setup |
| 23:50.16 | \me | levi: we have mountains - great storage facilities? |
| 23:50.31 | \me | beandog: if you can afford to pay for 3 mos setup's free |
| 23:50.53 | \me | some times they do free setup deals for the 1 mo, too |
| 23:51.09 | beandog | hmm |
| 23:51.11 | beandog | very cool |
| 23:53.08 | beandog | are they in the us? |
| 23:55.09 | levi | \me: Somehow, I don't think working in a Google storage facility would be as glamorous as the tales of Google employment would suggest. |
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| 23:57.20 | stuporglue | How can I clear the DNS cache on my Ubuntu machine? All I can find is instructions for using nscd, which I don't seem to have installed. |
| 23:58.05 | Supaplex | I'd isolate it with dig first. maybe it's not your machine, but the dns server in /etc/resolve.conf that's cached it. |
