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| 00:23.34 | vontrapp | mmmm, prunes and cheese |
| 00:23.40 | levi | ... |
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| 02:38.42 | stuporglue | Does anyone know if it's possible to use Qemu or VMware on Windows to access a Linux install on the same hard drive? ie. Linux is natively installed, and not a VMware/Qemu image. |
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| 03:10.58 | goozbach | http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0386.html |
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| 03:19.57 | herlo_ | has anyone had any recent issues with gtalk? (liek in the last 20 minutes) |
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| 03:33.38 | goozbach | yay! I'm all caught up on oots |
| 03:35.21 | herlo | goozbach: you having any issues with gtalk today? |
| 03:41.44 | goozbach | nope |
| 03:41.49 | goozbach | just talking with lamont |
| 03:49.23 | tensai | ~onjoin mecworks mecworks smells like turds |
| 03:49.24 | ibot | tensai: ok |
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| 04:59.26 | maquis | ~seen mecworks |
| 04:59.30 | ibot | mecworks <i=marc@nat/novell/x-fde488d4307f6650> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 82d 12h 25m 52s ago, saying: 'goozbach, I agree. I think we could get some nightskiing in at Brighton too.'. |
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| 05:12.02 | maquis | goozbach: he might not be seeing that onjoin anytime soon |
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| 05:18.25 | efhutton | print trouble....and wireless card trouble....anyone interested in helping me solve two riddles? |
| 05:19.40 | efhutton | shhhhh |
| 05:20.50 | TheTiGuR | Don't worry efhutton, there've been ~10 lines of chat in the last 5 hours...they'll stay quiet |
| 05:21.06 | efhutton | TheTiGuR, thanks for saying so |
| 05:21.21 | TheTiGuR | =-) |
| 05:21.23 | efhutton | TheTiGuR, how are YOU at networking issues |
| 05:21.25 | efhutton | ? |
| 05:21.51 | TheTiGuR | Well, I'm no expert, but I'm willing to take a stab |
| 05:22.04 | TheTiGuR | If anything I might get you pointed in the rigth direction |
| 05:22.05 | efhutton | at home here..I have net to this box...with eth0 ... wired....but also have a wireless AWD154 card installed at wlan0 |
| 05:22.40 | TheTiGuR | k |
| 05:22.50 | efhutton | I have run ndiswrapper...to create a driver....and have set things up.... per the ndiswrapper wiki on sourceforge....for my card....but still I can't get it to work...... |
| 05:22.58 | efhutton | ever use a wireless card for net? |
| 05:23.52 | TheTiGuR | Yes, but it's been a couple years since I've done it under linux |
| 05:24.15 | TheTiGuR | I did have to use the ndiswrapper setup to get it going, at which point it worked fairly easily, from what I recall |
| 05:24.55 | TheTiGuR | Are you able to determine if the card is seeing the wireless network, and is just unable to connect? |
| 05:25.20 | efhutton | well, I found the driver for this card...ran ndiswrapper..and it created what it needed....but still it woin't finish some of the tests nor will it work after all |
| 05:25.58 | TheTiGuR | Won't finish tests.....compiling..... or....? (it's been awhile with ndis) |
| 05:26.00 | efhutton | I get lost....I have wireless tools installed...including iwconfig.....lspci shows the card is present...a la |
| 05:26.18 | efhutton | 0000:02:09.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd.: Unknown device 1faa (rev 03) |
| 05:26.26 | efhutton | it uses Marvell chipset |
| 05:26.41 | efhutton | clearly....but I wish it didn't say Unknow device....... |
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| 05:27.51 | efhutton | I have yet to get this working..... |
| 05:28.06 | efhutton | the card was in my other son's pc...running xp and the card works fine there... |
| 05:28.20 | efhutton | just having trouble getting it running on this linux box |
| 05:28.28 | TheTiGuR | Well, from the wiki, it looks like the unknown device is normal |
| 05:28.40 | TheTiGuR | http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List#A |
| 05:30.14 | efhutton | ok |
| 05:30.37 | TheTiGuR | What os you running? |
| 05:30.47 | efhutton | debian 3.1 |
| 05:31.06 | efhutton | kernel is 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 05:31.46 | TheTiGuR | And you followed the instructions here?: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/InstallDebianSarge |
| 05:32.22 | efhutton | yeah....pretty much..have worked through that..let me quickly review |
| 05:32.28 | TheTiGuR | And assuming so, what step in that process do you start to have failures? |
| 05:34.18 | efhutton | am updating /etc/apt/sources with that now...hold on |
| 05:34.29 | TheTiGuR | Okey dokey |
| 05:44.26 | efhutton | TheTiGuR, I can't seem to get that apt-get source to load...in the wiki....as listed, it causes apt-get on my box to fail |
| 05:45.55 | TheTiGuR | adding 'deb http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/debian/' to the sources.list and then apt-get'ing times-outs? |
| 05:47.30 | efhutton | david:/home/scott# apt-get update |
| 05:47.30 | efhutton | E: Malformed line 10 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist) |
| 05:47.59 | efhutton | that's what I get after adding 'deb http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/debian/' to my /etc/apt/sources.list file, minus the ' ' marks |
| 05:48.54 | TheTiGuR | Don't forget to add a trailing '/' after a tab or space after the URL |
| 05:49.14 | TheTiGuR | It's not obvious from the wiki page, but it's there |
| 05:49.32 | TheTiGuR | Blame the wiki for making the url a link |
| 05:50.16 | efhutton | ok |
| 05:50.54 | efhutton | Err http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net Packages |
| 05:50.55 | efhutton | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.02 | efhutton | that's what shows when I apt-get update |
| 05:51.22 | efhutton | Failed to fetch http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/debian/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 05:51.23 | efhutton | and this |
| 05:51.26 | efhutton | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net_debian_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 05:51.44 | efhutton | I have it set there correctly, but perhaps that service is currently down |
| 05:52.22 | TheTiGuR | Could be, in which case, it's looking like downloading the soruce and doing the initial installation may be easier/faster |
| 05:52.40 | TheTiGuR | which puts you here(http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Installation) |
| 06:07.49 | efhutton | TheTiGuR, well, I am following the steps, but it's not wanting to make install, ...lots of errors...tried first as user, then as root.. |
| 06:07.53 | efhutton | still same errors |
| 06:08.03 | efhutton | /home/scott/ndiswrapper-1.34/driver/ntoskernel.h:649: warning: data definition has no type or storage class |
| 06:08.20 | efhutton | make[3]: *** [/home/scott/ndiswrapper-1.34/driver/crt.o] Error 1 |
| 06:08.24 | TheTiGuR | Well, definitely wouldn't work as a user =-) |
| 06:09.07 | efhutton | ok |
| 06:09.19 | TheTiGuR | Gimme a couple minutes and I'll look |
| 06:09.33 | TheTiGuR | Sadly I am up working instead of playing WoW =p |
| 06:09.51 | efhutton | ok |
| 06:09.56 | efhutton | work is good |
| 06:10.12 | TheTiGuR | Not when in detriment to leisure time |
| 06:14.42 | efhutton | my gcc compiler is older...apt-getting gcc-3.4 firist |
| 06:14.44 | efhutton | first |
| 06:14.55 | TheTiGuR | Not a bad idea |
| 06:15.55 | findlay | yes, upgrading to 3.4 series would be good (-: |
| 06:15.57 | efhutton | /home/scott/ndiswrapper-1.34/driver/winnt_types.h:129:2: #error "gcc 3.4 or newer should be used for compiling this module" |
| 06:16.05 | efhutton | that's the error..I just upgraded it..... |
| 06:16.41 | efhutton | not sure why it would error .. do I need to source to get it recognized, or log out and back in? |
| 06:16.56 | TheTiGuR | Do you have kernel source installed? |
| 06:17.24 | efhutton | yeah, already installed kernel source...for 2.6.8 |
| 06:20.22 | efhutton | shouldn't it now, not error out...since I just installed now...gcc-3.4? |
| 06:20.31 | TheTiGuR | If you can read....spanish?... http://www.ecualug.org/?q=2007/01/11/forums/ndiswrapper_error_de_compilacion_gcc_3_4_wfastcall |
| 06:21.00 | TheTiGuR | Looks like the same problems you are now having, deb sarge, and is only 10 days old |
| 06:21.16 | TheTiGuR | Might be a problem with ndiswrapper in a new build |
| 06:21.52 | efhutton | ok.... |
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| 06:25.40 | TheTiGuR | do a make --version, just for fun |
| 06:37.26 | efhutton | TheTiGuR, oh, I had to change in /usr/bin the links...it was gcc > gcc-3.3 .. so I rm'd that...and ln -s gcc gcc-3.4...and that is working now |
| 06:37.29 | efhutton | a linkage problem |
| 06:37.36 | TheTiGuR | Hurrah |
| 06:37.50 | TheTiGuR | Progressing further now I imagine? |
| 06:48.53 | efhutton | david:/home/scott/DRXP_AWD_AWN154_v11# modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 06:48.54 | efhutton | FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format |
| 06:48.58 | efhutton | well, I am this far now..... |
| 06:49.06 | efhutton | can't get modprobe to load the driver |
| 06:50.24 | Sargun | What distro? |
| 06:50.28 | TheTiGuR | deb 3.1 |
| 06:50.38 | Sargun | uh |
| 06:50.42 | Sargun | dmesg|tail |
| 06:50.55 | TheTiGuR | ndiswrapper -l say it has installed the drivers? |
| 06:54.40 | efhutton | yeah, ndiswrapper -l says the drivers are installed |
| 06:54.45 | efhutton | no problem there |
| 06:55.25 | efhutton | ndiswrapper: version magic '2.6.8-3-686 preempt 686 gcc-3.4' should be '2.6.8-3-686 preempt 686 gcc-3.3' |
| 06:55.29 | efhutton | that shows up with dmesg |
| 06:55.43 | Sargun | you either need to upgrade you kernel |
| 06:55.53 | Sargun | or downgrade your GCC version, and rebuild ndiswrapper. |
| 06:56.18 | TheTiGuR | Did you upgrade your kernel (and source) this session without rebooting perchance? |
| 06:57.19 | efhutton | without rebooting... |
| 06:57.36 | efhutton | what I did this round is installed gcc-3.4 |
| 06:57.48 | efhutton | either way though, you are saying I should reboot? |
| 06:57.53 | Sargun | upgrade your kernel to one that is compiled with gcc-3.4 |
| 06:57.54 | Sargun | and reboot. |
| 06:57.55 | TheTiGuR | Yes |
| 06:58.10 | TheTiGuR | Anytime you upgrade the kernel, reboot |
| 06:58.20 | Sargun | Unless your using kexec. |
| 06:58.41 | efhutton | I missspoke..I didn't upgrade my kernel |
| 07:06.01 | efhutton | sargun....so on my debian box...how do I find out which kernel... has gcc-3.4 compiled in |
| 07:06.25 | Sargun | uhh |
| 07:06.56 | Sargun | just try the most recent kernel. |
| 07:07.54 | efhutton | well, 2.6.8-3-686 appears to be the most up to date for my machine |
| 07:09.39 | TheTiGuR | And that is the one you are currently running? |
| 07:09.45 | TheTiGuR | (uname -a) |
| 07:11.33 | efhutton | Linux david 2.6.8-3-686 #1 Tue Dec 5 21:26:38 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 07:11.40 | efhutton | yeah |
| 07:12.00 | TheTiGuR | Then you should be good to go |
| 07:12.37 | efhutton | well, I'd think so...but still getting that module error |
| 07:13.06 | Sargun | you compiled ndiswrapper, right? |
| 07:13.12 | Sargun | your not using binaries? |
| 07:13.45 | TheTiGuR | Correct |
| 07:13.56 | Sargun | downgrade to GCC-3.3 |
| 07:13.59 | Sargun | and rebuild. |
| 07:14.16 | TheTiGuR | ndiswrapper wasn't compiling pre-3.4 |
| 07:14.28 | Sargun | what was it doing? |
| 07:14.41 | TheTiGuR | Complaining that it wasn't 3.4+ |
| 07:14.46 | Sargun | You should build your own Kernel. |
| 07:14.55 | nick125_lappy | Might want to compile a custom kernel with 3.4 |
| 07:15.25 | efhutton | yeah, I compiled ndiswrapper..and it worked fine installing the *.inf driver file.... |
| 07:15.31 | efhutton | no binaries |
| 07:15.41 | efhutton | but the compilation required 3.4 |
| 07:15.54 | Sargun | Build your own Kernel. |
| 07:16.12 | efhutton | from kernel.org? |
| 07:16.17 | Sargun | Sure. |
| 07:16.30 | Sargun | Debian has a source package. |
| 07:17.50 | efhutton | well, I am at kernel.or and find 2.6.19.2....grabbing the tarball |
| 07:18.03 | efhutton | which version is debian's source package? |
| 07:18.37 | Sargun | 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 07:18.41 | Sargun | that's a really old kernel. |
| 07:20.22 | Sargun | upgrade! |
| 07:21.02 | efhutton | what's the newest I can get for debian? I have the tarball for 2.6.19.2 |
| 07:21.15 | efhutton | going to untar that and start compiling new kernel with it |
| 07:22.22 | Sargun | yeah |
| 07:22.25 | Sargun | just use that |
| 07:22.36 | Sargun | you use the initrd? |
| 07:22.54 | efhutton | hmmm not sure..hold on |
| 07:23.29 | efhutton | yeah, I use initrd |
| 07:23.30 | Sargun | uhh |
| 07:23.30 | Sargun | have fnu. |
| 07:23.31 | Sargun | :-P |
| 07:25.24 | efhutton | right |
| 07:26.21 | TheTiGuR | Did you go back to the debian wiki page after hte compile of ndiswrapper? |
| 07:26.45 | TheTiGuR | There appear to be a couple differences towards the end of the page that may help |
| 07:27.40 | efhutton | I didn't...but the modprobe issue is clear....there's a problem there.... |
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| 14:44.54 | goozbach | brulee! |
| 14:48.42 | jsmith | Breakfast! |
| 14:57.14 | goozbach | ohh I forgot that today |
| 14:57.20 | goozbach | *sniff* |
| 15:00.43 | goozbach | thanks man |
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| 15:14.59 | redbeard1 | interesting anti-spam technique: http://www.joreybump.com/code/howto/nolisting.html |
| 15:21.19 | nick125_lappy | redbeard1: I should try that some time.. |
| 15:21.45 | redbeard1 | kind of a cool idea |
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| 15:28.33 | redbeard1 | ~lart elg |
| 15:45.30 | Jayce^ | strange, I've always noted that spammers have gone after secondary MX first.. |
| 15:45.55 | goozbach | is it just me, or do other people here enjoy flame wars? |
| 15:46.13 | goozbach | of course, I also read /. at -1 |
| 15:46.13 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you worked with sjansen... you should know the answer to that |
| 15:46.35 | goozbach | there's just something artistic about some of those -1 rants |
| 15:46.45 | goozbach | never seen better insults |
| 15:47.05 | graphyx | That Idea is a short term fix |
| 15:47.32 | graphyx | spammers will change behavior quickly |
| 15:48.12 | redbeard1 | i submit that some will, but not all, and maybe not even a majority |
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| 16:16.05 | bonez39 | anyone have a favorite recipe/routine for rolling one's own kernel? |
| 16:16.19 | goozbach | spit in the sand... |
| 16:16.29 | goozbach | then with your finger make a small ball. |
| 16:16.42 | goozbach | pick it up, and throw it into sjansen's hair |
| 16:17.05 | goozbach | at that point, he'll chase you around while yelling the instructions on building a new kernel |
| 16:17.31 | goozbach | if you can write while running, take notes, otherwise enlist the help of someone else |
| 16:18.46 | elg | bonez39: install kernel-package |
| 16:18.56 | elg | download the vanilla source |
| 16:18.56 | elg | make oldconfig |
| 16:19.01 | elg | make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image |
| 16:19.11 | elg | go make a burrito |
| 16:19.21 | elg | dpkg -i ../the_new_kernel.deb |
| 16:19.30 | elg | reboot and cross your toes |
| 16:19.33 | redbeard1 | elg: i like goozbach's instructions better |
| 16:19.37 | bonez39 | and fingers too, eh? |
| 16:19.44 | elg | oh, don't forget to update grub or lilo |
| 16:19.50 | elg | if you have them |
| 16:19.55 | elg | after the spitball thing |
| 16:20.11 | bonez39 | goozbach's instructions sound more fun, but less practical |
| 16:20.58 | bonez39 | I notice kernel.org has 2.6.19.2 as the latest stable kernel...so I download the tarbal. then all the rest...right? |
| 16:21.11 | elg | the rest of what? |
| 16:21.58 | bonez39 | make oldconfig (why not make menuconfig at this point) and then make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image, and dpkg -i new kernel.deb? |
| 16:23.10 | elg | oldconfig asks you only new questions, then you can do menuconfig to change stuff if you want |
| 16:23.18 | elg | or you can just do menuconfig and get the defaults for the new questions |
| 16:23.26 | bonez39 | I left out the burrito, but I coudl find something to do while it all compiles....and makes..and installs |
| 16:23.40 | bonez39 | ah..ok... |
| 16:24.26 | elg | and you'll have to run make-kpkg under fakeroot or as root |
| 16:24.35 | elg | and obviously, dpkg as root |
| 16:25.36 | bonez39 | ok......going to try and get this running here.at work..it's for my machine at home, where I have had trouble getting ndiswrapper to run and work with my awd154 wireless pci card....I think a kernel upgrade might help that get going |
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| 16:52.35 | findlay | hello |
| 16:53.33 | findlay | a burrito sounds very good right now |
| 16:54.03 | findlay | but I'm not supposed to eat so much gratutious saturated fat and sodium all at once |
| 16:54.55 | redbeard1 | findlay: you could try making one yourself from scratch, and using healthful ingredients |
| 16:55.41 | findlay | redbeard1: I've considered that, but don't have too many resources at the present |
| 16:56.00 | redbeard1 | findlay: you at work or something? |
| 16:56.07 | findlay | not yet |
| 16:56.40 | findlay | I'm just a lowly college student with little money and no kitchen intuition |
| 16:56.51 | levi | Doesn't take much to make a burrito. |
| 16:59.02 | redbeard1 | findlay: next time you're at the store, buy a bag of tortillas (whole-grain, if you want to be healthful) and a can of refried beans (low-fat if you want to be healthful) |
| 16:59.25 | redbeard1 | i'm sure that's all a lynn wilson burrito is anyway |
| 16:59.40 | sjansen | tortilla, refried beans, hamburger, spices, onion, tomato, sour cream, guacamole, bacon, cilantro, a deep fryer, salsa, haggis, a toothpick, cheese, lettuce |
| 16:59.42 | levi | And some cheese! |
| 16:59.45 | redbeard1 | of course, you would want to do more to it yourself, to make it tast good |
| 16:59.56 | redbeard1 | sjansen: mmm, haggis! |
| 16:59.59 | sjansen | I don't know, making a burrito seems pretty complicated from my list of ingredients. |
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| 17:00.06 | levi | ... haggis? In a burrito? |
| 17:00.16 | redbeard1 | levi: it could start a fad |
| 17:00.25 | levi | I suppose so. |
| 17:00.27 | redbeard1 | scottish/mexican fusion cuisine |
| 17:00.55 | redbeard1 | granted, haggis burritos are far more likely to cause riots than fads, but you take what you can get |
| 17:03.32 | graphyx | I hope not |
| 17:03.39 | redbeard1 | it's almost as effective a name as somethingawful.com |
| 17:06.34 | redbeard1 | sjansen: don't worry man, i haven't touched it. if you have dibs on haggisburrito.com, i won't fight you for it |
| 17:06.43 | bonez39 | anyone else like the movie The Edge....? |
| 17:06.59 | bonez39 | Anthony Hopkins has my all time favorite line....in that film..... |
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| 17:08.39 | sjansen | redbeard1: You misunderstand. If you in any way try to associate me with Haggis Buritto's, I will sue you for defamation, reclamation, abomination and maybe even flatulation. |
| 17:09.38 | bonez39 | ppppppppppeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 17:09.50 | bonez39 | too many ~tion words...... |
| 17:09.50 | redbeard1 | i didn't know you could sue for flatuation. i'm sure with a haggid burrito, one might end up trying tho. |
| 17:12.05 | elg | anyone wager a guess how much shipping to US from GB will be for this item? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=005&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=150083486495&rd=1&rd=1 |
| 17:12.14 | elg | i've asked the seller but no response yet |
| 17:13.05 | macnewbold | ~ebay 150083486495 |
| 17:18.19 | dataw0lf | herlo: hey, sorry about disappearing last night, we had numerous problems with a MySQL 4.1 to 5.0 upgrade. |
| 17:19.30 | dataw0lf | I assume you're using PHP 5, if not, let me know |
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| 17:27.38 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, if harleypig ate one of those haggis burritos, that neybar would sue for flatulation, you know, same cube and all |
| 17:28.04 | harleypig | You can't sue from the other side ... |
| 17:28.07 | elg | i think it's not just the cubemate that has to worry |
| 17:29.56 | elg | ~dict adhocity |
| 17:30.08 | elg | dibs on the word adhocity |
| 17:30.52 | harleypig | http://harleypig.com/powerfart.wmv |
| 17:30.53 | harleypig | sfw |
| 17:33.51 | elg | but is it safe for humanity? |
| 17:34.32 | harleypig | heh |
| 17:35.53 | Jayce^ | with a link like that how can you not watch? |
| 17:36.10 | elg | it's probably a video of a chia pet growing |
| 17:36.12 | elg | mislabeled |
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| 17:40.45 | harleypig | chia pet ... that's funny |
| 17:43.03 | redbeard1 | harleypig: http://imdb.com/title/tt0489235/ |
| 17:43.46 | levi | Hah, awesome. |
| 17:44.05 | redbeard1 | bruce campbell is my hero |
| 17:44.23 | harleypig | http://www.amazon.com/Make-Love-Bruce-Campbell-Way/dp/0312312601/sr=8-1/qid=1169574247/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-4551526-9929727?ie=UTF8&s=books |
| 17:44.31 | harleypig | http://www.amazon.com/If-Chins-Could-Kill-Confessions/dp/0312291450/sr=8-2/qid=1169574247/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/102-4551526-9929727?ie=UTF8&s=books |
| 17:44.35 | findlay | cvs? |
| 17:44.44 | findlay | why does sourceforge still have to use cvs? |
| 17:44.54 | harleypig | findlay: lcd |
| 17:44.55 | dataw0lf | redbeard1: have you seen his commercial? |
| 17:45.01 | findlay | lcd? |
| 17:45.03 | findlay | ~lcd |
| 17:45.11 | ibot | i guess lcd is liquid crystal display. See http://www.earthlcd.com/ for inexpensive lcd hardware, and http://www.repairfaq.org/filipg/LINK/F_LCD_menu.html for good background information. |
| 17:45.18 | redbeard1 | dataw0lf: nope |
| 17:45.40 | dataw0lf | redbeard1: *gasp* |
| 17:46.04 | dataw0lf | http://youtube.com/watch?v=F5DjN4IytPk |
| 17:47.27 | dataw0lf | I now only shop Old Spice |
| 17:47.31 | dataw0lf | even though I don't like it. |
| 17:47.46 | redbeard1 | experience is everything |
| 17:48.08 | dataw0lf | tell me that commercial isn't the coolest ever |
| 17:48.41 | redbeard1 | that commercial rocks |
| 17:48.58 | harleypig | findlay: Lowest Common Denominator |
| 17:51.31 | harleypig | dataw0lf: That commercial isn't the coolest ever. But it's certainly up there. |
| 17:52.05 | dataw0lf | I must say, that commercial is the coolest ever. |
| 17:52.15 | dataw0lf | I'm rating on a standard Cool Scale here, I don't know what you're using. |
| 17:54.04 | levi | Hah, awesome. :) |
| 18:04.14 | sjansen | I don't know, unleashing a pack of rabid wolves on a marching bad during the super bowl then going belly up is also pretty cool. |
| 18:07.33 | dataw0lf | 'marching bad' |
| 18:07.37 | dataw0lf | relative of strong bad? |
| 18:07.44 | dataw0lf | or strong bad playing the tuba? |
| 18:07.45 | findlay | yes |
| 18:08.08 | findlay | strongbad could easily take a whole pack of rabid wolves |
| 18:08.24 | dataw0lf | only if he had trogdor alongside him |
| 18:08.49 | findlay | strongbad vs balrog? |
| 18:08.52 | dataw0lf | stupid Rackspace changing our primary ip without warning and breaking squid. |
| 18:09.01 | dataw0lf | I think strongbad would lose that fight. |
| 18:09.13 | findlay | he'd probably figure out a way to escape though |
| 18:09.19 | findlay | and write up the harrowing account |
| 18:09.24 | findlay | in an email |
| 18:10.37 | sjansen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cmT8M_67ow |
| 18:11.11 | sjansen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WACLdyN8iGY |
| 18:13.14 | sjansen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0n0Dq_AqgI |
| 18:13.20 | redbeard1 | ~lart sjansen |
| 18:13.27 | sjansen | ~outpost redbeard1 |
| 18:13.28 | ibot | ACTION puts redbeard1 in a gerbil suit, loads'm in a cannon and fires'm at a brick wall |
| 18:13.37 | redbeard1 | ~dog sjansen |
| 18:13.38 | ibot | ACTION stares at sjansen until sjansen whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 18:14.03 | sjansen | ~fart redbeard1 |
| 18:14.04 | ibot | ACTION farts in redbeard1's general direction |
| 18:14.15 | redbeard1 | ~whaleparry sjansen |
| 18:14.16 | ibot | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry sjansen's attacks. |
| 18:15.04 | Jayce^ | ~raspberry sjansen |
| 18:15.37 | redbeard1 | ~whalebomb harleypig |
| 18:15.38 | ibot | ACTION throws an explosive whale named Gunter at harleypig and hides. |
| 18:16.07 | findlay | ~whalenuke #utah |
| 18:16.08 | ibot | ACTION dons his radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around #utah with his mind powers |
| 18:16.15 | redbeard1 | harleypig: check your im windows... |
| 18:18.59 | sjansen | ~petunia Jayce^ |
| 18:19.00 | ibot | ACTION drops Jayce^, a bowl of petunias and an innocent whale from the stratosphere of an alien planet to the surface miles below |
| 18:22.00 | findlay | that's a good one |
| 18:22.37 | harleypig | Isn't Petunia Krabby's daughter's name? |
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| 18:24.02 | atreyu | salut |
| 18:24.03 | Jayce^ | harleypig, krabby? |
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| 18:27.24 | harleypig | Mr Krab's, owner of the Krabby Patty Restaurant? |
| 18:27.31 | harleypig | In Bikini Bottom? |
| 18:29.09 | ^Migs^ | awstats really lacks adequate documentation. It just assumes you're going to use the built-in autoconfigure utility |
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| 18:31.35 | findlay | ~autoconfigure ^Migs^ |
| 18:31.37 | ibot | ACTION plugs ^Migs^ into the configurator machine until ^Migs^ is configured perfectly wrong |
| 18:33.45 | sjansen | ~end atreyu's story |
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| 18:50.45 | goozbach | WOOT! a trac bzr plugin |
| 18:51.22 | findlay | I'm going to create an RCS and call it flea-market |
| 18:52.58 | goozbach | findlay: make sure it's really cool |
| 18:53.14 | goozbach | then make sure you become REALLY REALLY opinionated about EVERYTHING |
| 18:53.32 | findlay | yeah |
| 18:53.34 | goozbach | oh wait, findlay! you're the next TL! |
| 18:53.42 | findlay | tl? |
| 18:53.47 | goozbach | Tom Lord |
| 18:53.51 | findlay | heh |
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| 19:24.38 | harleypig | Anyone good with Template Toolkit? |
| 19:24.42 | harleypig | Especially plugins? |
| 19:25.10 | redbeard1 | harleypig: i stole a book from jayce on TT |
| 19:25.22 | redbeard1 | if that helps |
| 19:25.26 | harleypig | I'm "borrowing" neybar's |
| 19:25.43 | redbeard1 | that reminds me, i still have your mod_perl book |
| 19:25.49 | redbeard1 | how many years are we at now? |
| 19:25.50 | harleypig | yes. |
| 19:25.54 | harleypig | you do. |
| 19:27.20 | harleypig | umm ... I think it's 2.5 now. |
| 19:27.51 | harleypig | or can anyone at least point me to a decent tutorial on writing a plugin? |
| 19:28.09 | Jayce^ | ttk site not have anything? |
| 19:28.20 | harleypig | Not much in the way of creating new plugins. |
| 19:28.37 | harleypig | perldoc Template::Plugin has some basic instruction, but nothing like a decent walkthrough. |
| 19:28.50 | Jayce^ | around here paul would be the best |
| 19:31.36 | harleypig | :> |
| 19:31.40 | Jayce^ | well, A) it's sllug, b) sjansen wasn't involved |
| 19:31.52 | findlay | if you go to all the trouble of signing up for a LUG mailing list, you would expect a good flame war at least once a month |
| 19:32.08 | Jayce^ | especially in this weather.. |
| 19:32.17 | findlay | Jayce^: yeah, you're right about both those things |
| 19:33.00 | findlay | this one was shaping up nicely until it went defective |
| 19:36.18 | dataw0lf | you have to expect a couple threats to leave the mailing list when a good flamewar is about to start, too bad it didn't come through |
| 19:36.28 | sjansen | So I'm watching the aKademy 2006 RandR talk. Several of the audience members are, of course, playing on their laptops. You'd think they'd all be running *nix, right? Not one guy, the Windows wallpaper keeps flashing on his screen. For shame. |
| 19:36.30 | dataw0lf | too many people /dev/null Coates, I suspect. |
| 19:37.18 | maquis | sjansen: you sure he doesn't just like the wallpaper? |
| 19:37.36 | sjansen | Even that would be shameful. |
| 19:37.43 | maquis | or... it's not the cool bill gates teletubbies parody of the windoze wallpaper? |
| 19:38.18 | Jayce^ | sjansen, yeah, at a large oscon presentation once (before more windows folks started coming) heard the windows startup sound, and *every* head turned to see the guy in the back, looking sheepish |
| 19:43.14 | maquis | we had that at a uug meeting once... |
| 19:45.34 | maquis | "is there something like kdiff for linux?" <-- isn't kdiff a linux tool? |
| 19:45.59 | findlay | what is the LINUX? |
| 19:46.42 | dataw0lf | a commie OS |
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| 20:17.55 | findlay | if you have two HTML forms on the same page and put data into both will they both be submitted? |
| 20:18.08 | findlay | when you use a submit on one of them |
| 20:18.44 | Jayce^ | no |
| 20:19.06 | findlay | no? ): |
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| 20:47.05 | sjansen | ~rose harleypig |
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| 20:54.00 | findlay | ~rose harleypig |
| 20:54.01 | ibot | ACTION hands harleypig a glass of rose extract juice |
| 20:54.18 | levi | This is kind of cool: http://www.runbasic.com/ |
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| 20:55.24 | jgiboney | anyone have a ubuntu disk and going to be around byu tonight around 7 |
| 20:56.07 | findlay | is there a uug meeting tonight? |
| 20:56.45 | jgiboney | i don't know |
| 20:56.59 | maquis | findlay: probably not... it's tuesday |
| 20:57.34 | findlay | jgiboney: I can be there. I'm planning on practicing tonight |
| 20:57.48 | jgiboney | where can I meet you? |
| 20:58.00 | jgiboney | thanks maquis |
| 20:58.01 | findlay | maquis: throw it |
| 20:58.20 | findlay | ~whalepunt maquis' ubuntu CD to jgiboney |
| 20:58.22 | ibot | ACTION looks onward as an everest-sized whale called Victor punts maquis' ubuntu CD to jgiboney across the Solar System |
| 20:58.22 | maquis | findlay: good point... cds do work well as frisbees... |
| 20:58.48 | findlay | jgiboney: anywhere. How about the HFAC? (: |
| 20:59.17 | jgiboney | hold on let me find out where that is |
| 21:00.04 | jgiboney | thats a big building, what room will you be in |
| 21:00.41 | findlay | the main lobby perhaps |
| 21:00.42 | jgiboney | okay at 7pm? |
| 21:01.00 | findlay | on the 2nd floor by the north stairs |
| 21:01.38 | jgiboney | okay I'll see you there. I will have a brown leather jacket |
| 21:02.02 | findlay | I'll have my viola casee |
| 21:02.05 | findlay | s/ee/e/ |
| 21:02.06 | jgiboney | thanks |
| 21:02.25 | maquis | jgiboney: don't be confused by his comment about the 2nd floor |
| 21:02.32 | findlay | and with that, he's gone |
| 21:02.39 | maquis | er |
| 21:02.42 | maquis | ok |
| 21:03.07 | findlay | ~rose maquis |
| 21:03.08 | ibot | ACTION hands maquis a glass of rose extract nectar |
| 21:04.04 | dataw0lf | Thanks! |
| 21:04.08 | maquis | hey!!!!! |
| 21:04.12 | findlay | hey it's my nectar |
| 21:04.29 | dataw0lf | aieeeee.... |
| 21:05.49 | findlay | what did I do? |
| 21:06.19 | findlay | my brother tells me that rose nectar is a fine drink in India |
| 21:06.33 | findlay | but that it doesn't taste that great |
| 21:08.24 | Supaplex | what is he, a hummingbird? |
| 21:09.59 | findlay | ~hummingbird Supaplex |
| 21:10.00 | ibot | ACTION watches as a swarm of hummingbirds surround Supaplex until Supaplex runs out of the room screaming |
| 21:10.02 | maquis | rosewater is used in cooking a lot in Iran |
| 21:10.28 | maquis | ibot: sometimes you scare me... |
| 21:10.30 | macnewbold | they cook with it a lot in Indian dishes too, even use it in drinks |
| 21:11.03 | maquis | macnewbold: interesting... i'd never noticed the flavor in indian dishes... |
| 21:11.21 | maquis | maybe because indian dishes tend to have many more strong flavors than persian dishes do? |
| 21:12.42 | macnewbold | yeah, probably - indian food often has curry that overpowers it quite easily |
| 21:12.57 | macnewbold | I think it might be that they'll often cook basmati rice in rosewater |
| 21:13.10 | findlay | I wonder if you could use other flower extracts |
| 21:16.06 | findlay | ~scare maquis |
| 21:16.08 | ibot | ACTION puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at maquis |
| 21:16.26 | findlay | ~stalk dataw0lf |
| 21:16.28 | ibot | ACTION furtively infiltrates dataw0lf's shadows and when dataw0lf is turned away jumps out to take a picture with his camera phone! |
| 21:16.38 | goozbach | jamaica flower |
| 21:16.42 | goozbach | that's good stuff |
| 21:16.51 | Jayce^ | goozbach's a stoner! |
| 21:16.57 | dataw0lf | pothead |
| 21:17.06 | goozbach | good for the kidneys too |
| 21:17.22 | Jayce^ | glaucoma.. |
| 21:18.00 | dataw0lf | nausea |
| 21:20.06 | Jayce^ | anorexia.. |
| 21:20.45 | goozbach | pineapple! |
| 21:22.52 | findlay | deciduousapple |
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| 21:28.14 | goozbach | granny smiths |
| 21:29.02 | graphyx | adam's apple |
| 21:29.44 | findlay | mackintosh |
| 21:29.58 | maquis | what about granny smith's adam's apple? |
| 21:30.16 | findlay | or granny smith's mackintosh? |
| 21:30.30 | herlo | fuji apple |
| 21:30.40 | findlay | camera apple? |
| 21:31.18 | herlo | northern spy |
| 21:31.21 | herlo | http://hortweb.cas.psu.edu/aps/aony/images1/northern.spy2.jpg |
| 21:31.32 | herlo | oh, it's an apple alright |
| 21:37.40 | graphyx | I suppose that it is just a funny name. |
| 21:37.56 | goozbach | pineapple |
| 21:40.00 | jnbek | lol |
| 21:44.33 | harleypig | Gala, Braeburn, Jonagold, Cripps Pink ... all funny names for an apple. |
| 21:44.58 | harleypig | The cameo apple only makes brief appearances. |
| 21:45.33 | findlay | there are a few hundred different kinds of apples |
| 21:46.15 | harleypig | http://www.naturalhub.com/grow_fruit_cultivars_apple.htm |
| 21:46.18 | harleypig | About 9 pages worth. |
| 21:47.50 | goozbach | yeah like pineapples |
| 21:47.55 | goozbach | they'er good! |
| 22:13.28 | Jayce^ | herlo, it buuuurrrnnnss |
| 22:13.51 | harleypig | Yeah, you should try and not let it get in your eyes man. |
| 22:14.41 | findlay | ~burningator |
| 22:15.01 | dataw0lf | ~burninator |
| 22:16.37 | Jayce^ | "what else does it do besides look like os/2?" |
| 22:17.21 | levi | "Uh... that doesn't look like 1-2-3" |
| 22:19.32 | Jayce^ | wow, crack-smoking monkeys is right! |
| 22:21.07 | herlo | Yeah, that's what you get when you stumbleupon at work |
| 22:25.18 | sjansen | herlo: You're lucky you're on the road. I'd be throwing something at you if you weren't. |
| 22:26.14 | herlo | sjansen: why? |
| 22:26.51 | goozbach | herlo: you're in florida right? |
| 22:27.02 | goozbach | my new state treating you well? |
| 22:27.21 | sjansen | herlo: You know very well why. |
| 22:27.37 | goozbach | home I go! |
| 22:27.39 | goozbach | yay |
| 22:32.47 | herlo | goozbach: me too... |
| 22:32.52 | herlo | sjansen: but I don't |
| 22:33.03 | herlo | goozbach: yeah florida... |
| 22:33.05 | sjansen | I demand my 12 minutes back. |
| 22:33.33 | sjansen | Plus the time I spend with that stupid song in my head. |
| 22:33.38 | herlo | sjansen: you didn't have to go there... |
| 22:33.47 | sjansen | Plus interest. |
| 22:34.12 | herlo | sjansen: the future...remember, it's the future, where we're going, we don't need roads! |
| 22:35.28 | findlay | do I need roads in the future? |
| 22:36.40 | jsmith | findlay: At least in the short term. |
| 22:39.23 | herlo | findlay: I didn't say how far in the future...;) |
| 22:40.24 | findlay | short roads then |
| 22:40.31 | findlay | for the short term |
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| 23:28.47 | tristanbob | tensai: should I need to be sudo to use minicom? |
| 23:29.02 | tristanbob | tristan@tristan-desktop:~$ minicom |
| 23:29.02 | tristanbob | minicom: cannot open /dev/tty8: Permission denied |
| 23:29.18 | tristanbob | and it works with sudo |
| 23:29.23 | tristanbob | which seems strange... |
| 23:29.34 | tristanbob | I didn't need sudo on my last version of Ubuntu |
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| 23:30.57 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 23:32.08 | elg | levi, et al, know any good conferences in the next few months? |
| 23:34.37 | findlay | UTOS!1 |
| 23:35.13 | findlay | tristanbob: did you check /etc/groups perms and stuff? |
| 23:35.50 | tristanbob | for permissions on /dev/tty8? |
| 23:36.07 | findlay | yeah, like if you need to be in a group or something |
| 23:36.19 | tristanbob | tristan@tristan-desktop:~$ ls -l /dev/tty8 |
| 23:36.19 | tristanbob | crw-rw---- 1 root root 4, 8 2007-01-23 16:35 /dev/tty8 |
| 23:36.33 | tristanbob | looks like it... right? |
| 23:37.07 | findlay | guess root is the group owner |
| 23:37.17 | findlay | generally not a good idea to add a use to root group |
| 23:37.23 | tristanbob | that is what I was thinking |
| 23:37.49 | levi | elg: Not off the top of my head, sorry. |
| 23:38.11 | tristanbob | #cisco is no help |
| 23:38.24 | findlay | is sudo necessarily bad? |
| 23:38.37 | tristanbob | it is when you shouldn't need it |
| 23:38.39 | findlay | can you change the /etc/udev/rules.d/ rules? |
| 23:38.56 | tristanbob | I don't want to type in my password 10 times a day just to console into cisco devices |
| 23:39.08 | tristanbob | findlay: looking... |
| 23:39.17 | findlay | well at worst you can change the perms in /etc/rc.local |
| 23:39.48 | sjansen | http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/unix-haters/x-windows/disaster.html |
| 23:39.54 | tristanbob | findlay: 99-udevmonitor.rules ? |
| 23:40.27 | findlay | tristanbob: I've never successfully modified udev rules before, sorrry |
| 23:40.31 | tristanbob | :) np |
| 23:40.45 | findlay | s/r//g |
| 23:40.50 | findlay | hehe |
| 23:42.47 | findlay | tristanbob: I guess you can grep /etc/udev/rules.d/ for rules concerning tty and go from there |
| 23:45.11 | levi | Hah, the UVSC CS department is going to interview me for a promotional video. |
| 23:45.45 | dataw0lf | "Graduate, or you'll turn out like this guy" |
| 23:47.13 | levi | Speaking of which, time to go to class. |
| 23:47.33 | findlay | levi: you should insert random subliminal comments about how Microsoft is teh evil and UVSC's IT ed. department will suffer for it, etc. |
| 23:47.56 | tristanbob | findlay: looks like everyone has to use sudo for minicom now... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto |
| 23:48.21 | tristanbob | findlay: thanks for your time |
| 23:48.44 | findlay | hm, but it doesn't say why |
| 23:49.15 | findlay | seems like you could just as easily mod the permissions to run in a more restricted mode |
| 23:50.47 | Supaplex | but sudo is the answer to everything *cough* |
| 23:50.58 | Supaplex | nawt! |
| 23:51.24 | tristanbob | now how do I tell if I have the right tty? |
| 23:51.40 | tristanbob | the switch is not comming up |
| 23:56.30 | tristanbob | Cool! dmesg | grep ttyS |
| 23:56.44 | tristanbob | [17179571.820000] serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A |
| 23:56.51 | tristanbob | so it is ttyS0 |
| 23:57.27 | tristanbob | yay - now I can do some work.... oh wait, that is not good |
| 23:58.21 | findlay | dmesg is probably one way to get kernel events |
| 23:58.32 | findlay | others may be /sys or /proc |
| 23:59.40 | sjansen | http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/unix-haters/x-windows/dangerous-virus.html |
