| 00:00.10 | bonez39 | in / 'sethc' the mountpoint is as follows: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 2007-01-12 17:17 sethc |
| 00:00.29 | bonez39 | EFHUTTON here.....shhhhh |
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| 00:24.57 | maquis | bonez39: shhh! |
| 00:25.03 | maquis | :) |
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| 00:43.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Is anyone here familiar with photoshop? |
| 00:44.35 | elg | it's a program for editing photos |
| 00:44.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes, I'm aware of that much. |
| 00:45.02 | Lone_Wanderer | I have an image that's blue text. I want it to be red. |
| 00:45.21 | Lone_Wanderer | I thought I could do it by just messing around with hue, saturation, etc. but I can't get it quite right. |
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| 00:52.22 | elg | gimp has a way to swap colors |
| 00:52.30 | elg | is it all the same blue or gradient? |
| 00:52.37 | Lone_Wanderer | gradient |
| 00:52.42 | Lone_Wanderer | or I'd just dump a new red onto it |
| 00:52.48 | elg | ah beyond my skill then |
| 00:52.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Mine too apparently. |
| 00:58.05 | levi | I'm pretty sure there's a way to do that, but I don't know it. |
| 00:59.48 | levi | Of course, typing 'photoshop swap colors' into google might tell you. |
| 01:00.38 | nick125_lappy | Lone_Wanderer: you could select by color |
| 01:00.47 | nick125_lappy | I know in gimp you can |
| 01:00.52 | nick125_lappy | then, change the hue on that |
| 01:00.55 | levi | Having done so, I see that there is an 'adjustment' called Replace Color. |
| 01:00.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, so I select by color and then... |
| 01:01.12 | Lone_Wanderer | I did replace color but it only does that one single color, not the full gradient. |
| 01:01.34 | nick125_lappy | I know in gimp, theres a way you can change the sensitivity of the select |
| 01:01.38 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm |
| 01:01.46 | levi | Changing the fuzziness didn't help? |
| 01:02.36 | Lone_Wanderer | it did help kind of yeah |
| 01:02.46 | Lone_Wanderer | there's still some blue in the shadows though |
| 01:03.06 | levi | You might try masking the area you want to change and making it extremely fuzzy. |
| 01:03.08 | Lone_Wanderer | It's probably good enough. I'm not a graphic designer. |
| 01:19.42 | elg | new dvd drive plays dvds in freevo, though I need to switch to xine for dvd playback to get menus it seems |
| 01:20.07 | elg | but it spins fast and that's loud. i wonder if I can get it to spin not fast |
| 01:21.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Ehh. Time to go home, and it's cold out. I don't want to go out into the cold. |
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| 02:38.35 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
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| 02:39.43 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
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| 02:49.21 | goozbach | color rotation in gimp |
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| 04:10.33 | tensai | ~lart elg |
| 04:10.37 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 04:10.43 | nick125_lappy | I got my asterisk box working |
| 04:11.03 | elg | so I upgraded freevo. did it stop complaining and just use xine for dvd so I get menus? |
| 04:11.16 | elg | no it decided DVDs are just filesystems and presents me with VIDEO_TS |
| 04:11.17 | elg | sheesh |
| 04:11.40 | nick125_lappy | poor elg |
| 04:12.38 | elg | on the plus side, I just inadvertently discovered that if you wget one of the stupid sourceforge urls, it actually downloads instead of downloading the stupid download page |
| 04:12.59 | elg | they must be checking the client string |
| 04:13.02 | elg | cool |
| 04:15.12 | nick125_lappy | That's awesome |
| 04:16.23 | nick125_lappy | I especially love the *585*x.*x.* command ;) |
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| 06:33.51 | Supaplex | -lart the cold |
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| 13:58.03 | graphyx | Ok, unless you want spam, don't send mail through dearelder.com or dearsister.com |
| 13:59.04 | graphyx | I used them once and I am getting spam targeted at missionary's family. |
| 13:59.11 | graphyx | NOT HAPPY. |
| 14:01.39 | goozbach | perhaps they sold your address? |
| 14:01.54 | goozbach | or maybe they've been compromised |
| 14:03.28 | goozbach | privacy statement says they don't sell your info |
| 14:03.38 | goozbach | I'd raise a stink |
| 14:17.31 | graphyx | I already sent an I'm upset email. |
| 14:18.00 | graphyx | next step is to talk them down in the only mormon forum I have. |
| 14:18.04 | graphyx | here |
| 14:18.33 | graphyx | If I can figure out step 3 I can jump to 4) Profit!!!! |
| 14:20.00 | vontrapp | graphyx: yeah, i hate those, missionarymail.com did the same thing |
| 14:20.18 | redbeard1 | ping herlo |
| 14:20.32 | redbeard1 | ~brulee goozbach |
| 14:20.47 | ibot | ACTION whisks goozbach with eggs and cream, and bakes at 350F before sprinkling with sugar and torching |
| 14:21.17 | vontrapp | they create this mail service, throw in some keyword filtering, market it to the church/missionary program, and wham! you have a very specific demographic for lucrative spamming |
| 14:29.04 | encryptz | graphyx: did you enter for your email: <user>+dearelder@<email.com>? it's an easy way to track who is selling your address if you set up filters on your email |
| 14:29.36 | encryptz | most services won't mind the +blahblah and your email will still get to you |
| 14:29.51 | graphyx | can you do that for every email server? |
| 14:30.07 | graphyx | I thought that that was only a gmail trick. |
| 14:30.15 | graphyx | No I didn't do that |
| 14:30.21 | encryptz | really? i thought you could do it with any... |
| 14:30.55 | encryptz | i know a lot of web forms look right past it. a couple i've stumbled on don't, though |
| 14:31.06 | graphyx | It was just that I didn't get much spam and then 4 days after using their service I get this targeted spam. |
| 14:31.24 | graphyx | rather obvious where it came from. |
| 14:31.42 | encryptz | yeah |
| 14:36.03 | encryptz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mail_address#Plus_.28or_Minus.29_addressing |
| 14:38.06 | graphyx | so the answer is to try sending something to yourself and see if you get it. |
| 14:39.53 | encryptz | that would work. :) |
| 14:41.21 | encryptz | '+' is a perfectly vaild character in email addresses, and web forms on sites that complain it isn't will start getting a nasty email from me forwarding RFC 822 in the body text |
| 14:43.29 | graphyx | coos |
| 14:43.31 | graphyx | cool |
| 14:43.36 | graphyx | it works. |
| 14:44.08 | encryptz | sweet |
| 14:44.24 | graphyx | thanks linuxman |
| 14:44.40 | encryptz | :) |
| 14:44.40 | graphyx | thanks to your our email is safe once again! |
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| 15:25.54 | tensai | not all mail servers use the +appendix trick, but many do |
| 15:26.48 | tensai | I used +plug for my plug address for a long time. I kept getting mail to plug@zmonkey.org because the spam scrapers didn't realize that + was a valid character |
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| 15:59.51 | goozbach | how does someone find out what is using a kernel module if lsmod doesnt show "used by"? |
| 16:07.49 | goozbach | ~seen jsmith |
| 16:08.26 | ibot | jsmith <n=jsmith@216.248.189.241> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk-doc, 5d 18h 23m 14s ago, saying: 'Hello CodeX '. |
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| 16:18.06 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 16:22.46 | levi | Good morning. |
| 16:25.00 | emcnabb | so we had about an inch or two of snow here in Raleigh today |
| 16:25.05 | emcnabb | the city basically shut down |
| 16:25.09 | elg | hehe |
| 16:25.13 | levi | Hah, the east has finally got its snow. |
| 16:25.16 | goozbach | light grey on white? |
| 16:25.32 | goozbach | who was smoking what when they designed this website? |
| 16:25.35 | emcnabb | the only reason I came into work late was I was worried about the Southern drivers |
| 16:25.48 | levi | emcnabb: Have you encountered the joy of freezing rain yet? |
| 16:25.59 | emcnabb | they canceled school in the entire district |
| 16:26.03 | emcnabb | levi: oh yeah |
| 16:26.11 | emcnabb | in Illinois we used to get horrible ice storms |
| 16:26.19 | levi | emcnabb: When I lived in Virginia, the whole town was shut down for a week or so due to some really bad freezing rain. |
| 16:26.26 | levi | There were inches of ice covering everything. |
| 16:26.33 | emcnabb | levi: it's worse than snow |
| 16:26.48 | emcnabb | slick, downed powerlines, etc |
| 16:26.56 | levi | It's pretty, though. :) |
| 16:27.28 | emcnabb | oh yeah |
| 16:28.29 | dataw0lf | quiet, too |
| 16:28.45 | dataw0lf | Chicago is eerie the morning after an ice storm |
| 16:28.53 | emcnabb | dataw0lf: oh yeah |
| 16:29.30 | emcnabb | time to get some work done |
| 16:38.28 | graphyx | chicago? |
| 16:38.37 | graphyx | I thought that you were in Reno |
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| 17:08.25 | levi | graphyx: He shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die. Now he's on the run from the law. |
| 17:13.54 | bonez39 | help... I can run, as root, mount /sethc and c drive on seth...running xp pro is mounted.... |
| 17:14.18 | bonez39 | I can browse and read and write files there, but as USER.... I can't even mount the drive, let alone r/w from/to it |
| 17:14.25 | bonez39 | why? this is my question |
| 17:14.48 | elg | mounting is a privileged operation |
| 17:14.59 | bonez39 | it has worked fine several years now...but just recently.....can't mount as user |
| 17:15.05 | bonez39 | scott@fyrenice:~$ mount /sethc |
| 17:15.05 | bonez39 | timeout connecting to 64.34.106.128:445 |
| 17:15.09 | elg | and by default he who mounts (root in this case) has the permissions |
| 17:15.10 | bonez39 | that's the output if I let it time out |
| 17:15.18 | elg | so you need the user option in /etc/fstab for a user to mount |
| 17:15.24 | bonez39 | how do I grant the permissions to any user? |
| 17:15.32 | elg | but that doesn't explain a timeout |
| 17:15.41 | elg | you say the timeout doesn't happen if you do it as root? |
| 17:15.42 | bonez39 | /seth/c /sethc smbfs users,noauto 0 0 |
| 17:15.48 | bonez39 | that's the /etc/fstab entry..... |
| 17:16.18 | bonez39 | no timeout as root, as root it immediately mounts |
| 17:16.18 | elg | dunno then |
| 17:16.18 | bonez39 | all my mount points are at / |
| 17:16.29 | bonez39 | and always have been...and thus they are all root root...for ownership... |
| 17:16.35 | bonez39 | but I doubt that matters...right? |
| 17:16.44 | bonez39 | does the fstab entry look ok? |
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| 17:18.26 | bonez39 | or should it instead be > rw,user,noauto |
| 17:18.38 | elg | I think user not users |
| 17:19.48 | elg | try nmblookup seth |
| 17:19.51 | elg | as user |
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| 17:26.28 | harleypig | *snuffle* |
| 17:26.36 | harleypig | snuffalupagus! |
| 17:27.33 | bonez39 | scott@fyrenice:~$ nmblookup seth |
| 17:27.33 | bonez39 | querying seth on 10.0.0.255 |
| 17:27.33 | bonez39 | 10.0.0.6 seth<00> |
| 17:27.37 | bonez39 | there's the output, elg |
| 17:28.58 | bonez39 | elg, I changes fstab to user from users but no change in the mount /sethc response... |
| 17:29.55 | elg | that's not the same IP |
| 17:30.05 | elg | 10.0.0.6 isn't 64.34.106.128 |
| 17:30.20 | bonez39 | the 10.0.0.6? no.....if I allow it to time out..it seeks out some address out on the net... |
| 17:30.25 | bonez39 | could this be a problem in /etc/hosts? |
| 17:30.39 | bonez39 | in there is the entry 10.0.0.6 seth |
| 17:30.52 | bonez39 | so that I can mount /sethc instead of mount 10.0.0.6 |
| 17:31.11 | bonez39 | it's manually assigned in the xp pro IP setup......not using DHCP |
| 17:31.12 | elg | btw, is that //seth/c in your fstab? |
| 17:31.32 | elg | smb doesn't do dns |
| 17:31.41 | elg | it uses a different name resolution mechanism called nmb |
| 17:33.10 | bonez39 | here/ the listing.... /seth/c /sethc smbfs users,noauto 0 0 |
| 17:33.29 | bonez39 | so it's //seth/c |
| 17:33.43 | bonez39 | /seth/c /sethc smbfs user,noauto 0 0 |
| 17:34.10 | bonez39 | dang..it truncates the first / .. it is //seth/c /sethc smbfs user,noauto 0 0 |
| 17:34.41 | elg | that's what it should be |
| 17:34.42 | bonez39 | two // marks |
| 17:34.42 | bonez39 | yeah....just in pasting it..one gets cut right here |
| 17:34.42 | bonez39 | so it's same whether user or users |
| 17:35.14 | bonez39 | and it's been that way a couple years...and it's worked fine.....as user or root..... |
| 17:35.25 | elg | so what changed? |
| 17:35.26 | bonez39 | I am no windows expert..I can't even imagine how the mount can have a password, when I can't find where to apply a password to a share in xp pro .. |
| 17:35.49 | bonez39 | not sure what changed..... does the placement of 10.0.0.6 seth in /etc/hosts matter? |
| 17:35.59 | elg | shouldn't but you can try taking itout |
| 17:36.48 | bonez39 | oh, the reference to seth in there? |
| 17:37.44 | bonez39 | 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain fyrenice fyrenice.com scott |
| 17:37.57 | bonez39 | thta's the only other line, aside from ipv6 stuff..... |
| 17:38.05 | bonez39 | er...ip6 |
| 17:38.46 | bonez39 | I depend on being able to print to the printer attached to that windows box..... |
| 17:39.31 | elg | you could add the option uid=scott or whatever and mount it as root |
| 17:39.38 | elg | but that won't affect printing |
| 17:39.57 | elg | the share doesn't need to be mounted to print - cups connects to another printing share |
| 17:40.04 | bonez39 | no, there's gotta be something else hanging this up... |
| 17:40.12 | elg | maybe nmbd died? |
| 17:40.32 | bonez39 | what's odd...is I run windows on this box..and the windows printing to that printer works fine..and the shares...and all that... works |
| 17:40.46 | elg | what if you use the ip in fstab? |
| 17:40.57 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.54 | bonez39 | ok, su to roo, run /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 17:41.59 | harleypig | Do you have kanga too? |
| 17:42.17 | elg | ~bounce harleypig |
| 17:42.26 | harleypig | *boing* |
| 17:44.11 | Jayce^ | bah, only 4.5 and I'm close to him |
| 17:53.35 | harleypig | ? |
| 17:54.55 | harleypig | what does that mean Jayce^? |
| 17:58.01 | bonez39 | elg, I changed from //seth/c to //10.0.0.6 |
| 17:58.10 | bonez39 | now it gives the mount helpfile listing |
| 17:58.38 | bonez39 | scott@fyrenice:~$ mount /sethc |
| 17:58.39 | bonez39 | Usage: mount.smbfs service mountpoint [-n] [-o options,...] |
| 17:58.39 | bonez39 | Version 3.0.14a-Debian |
| 17:58.47 | bonez39 | it just gets deeper and deeper |
| 17:58.56 | Jayce^ | harleypig, richter scale |
| 18:00.41 | bonez39 | scott@fyrenice:~$ mount /sethc |
| 18:00.41 | bonez39 | Password: |
| 18:00.41 | bonez39 | cannot mount on /sethc: Operation not permitted |
| 18:00.41 | bonez39 | smbmnt failed: 1 |
| 18:01.02 | bonez39 | so now I get that....after fixing it to //10.0.0.6/c /sethc in fstab |
| 18:01.47 | bonez39 | as root....I can mount the drive..just fine with the IP there instead of name... |
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| 18:12.17 | harleypig | Jayce^: Ah. So I'm a little slow this morning. |
| 18:12.22 | jgiboney | I have a setup question for you linux users |
| 18:12.25 | harleypig | Yes. Just this morning. |
| 18:12.35 | harleypig | jgiboney: vim |
| 18:12.45 | jgiboney | vim? |
| 18:12.56 | harleypig | :] Sorry. Being a smart aleck. You'll get used to me. |
| 18:12.58 | Jayce^ | jgiboney, ignore him |
| 18:13.09 | Jayce^ | he's the literal 800lb gorilla in the room |
| 18:13.26 | Jayce^ | just ask the question, somebody will usually get around to answering |
| 18:13.43 | harleypig | The command to ignore me is '/ignore Jayce^' by itself (without the quotes). |
| 18:14.12 | jgiboney | I recently obtained a emachines so called gaming computer with windows xp on it and since i am not a big fan of windows I was thinking about playing around with linux (which I have never done befoe), so where do you recommend I start? |
| 18:14.34 | harleypig | A live cd to start off ... Knoppix is a good one. |
| 18:14.52 | harleypig | Or dvd if you have a dvd player that can boot. |
| 18:15.20 | jgiboney | can I download that or what? |
| 18:15.24 | harleypig | That way you can play, learn, etc. without having to worry about setting up software and such. |
| 18:15.35 | harleypig | jgiboney: yeah, just a sec I'll find the link. |
| 18:16.00 | harleypig | http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html |
| 18:16.46 | harleypig | See? I can be helpful. |
| 18:16.47 | jgiboney | how do I boot off the cd? |
| 18:16.48 | harleypig | Sometimes. |
| 18:17.05 | fungus | or you can try Ubuntu. They will even ship you a CD for free, if you don't want to download the whole thing. |
| 18:17.24 | harleypig | jgiboney: Just put the cd in and turn on your machine. If the cd is ignored then you'll have to set your bios. |
| 18:17.50 | harleypig | fungus has a good point. ubuntu is a more friendly distro and they do have live cd's as well. |
| 18:17.55 | jgiboney | in the future it will probably become a web server, which setup is best for that |
| 18:18.00 | fungus | http://www.ubuntu.com/ |
| 18:18.27 | harleypig | jgiboney: ubuntu-server is good |
| 18:18.48 | harleypig | But you might want to plan on doing a complete wipe and reinstall a couple of times while you're learning. |
| 18:19.07 | jgiboney | ya, and do I get the server or the desktop |
| 18:19.49 | harleypig | If you really want to get into the nitty gritty of things (the equivalent of jumping off the float in the middle of the lake) you could go with a source based distro (Gentoo and SourceMage are good ones). |
| 18:20.34 | harleypig | jgiboney: It's been awhile since I looked at the Ubuntu site, but I believe they have a desktop and server distro. |
| 18:20.52 | Jayce^ | ubuntu disks will have both available. |
| 18:21.46 | findlay | hello |
| 18:22.48 | harleypig | Most mirror sites have the 'Other installation options' section where a server cd iso is available. |
| 18:23.15 | jgiboney | what is the difference between the desktop and the server? |
| 18:23.59 | findlay | one looks like a desk and the other a waiter |
| 18:24.05 | findlay | ~lart me |
| 18:24.33 | harleypig | See? I'm not the only smart arse in here ... |
| 18:24.49 | findlay | harleypig: isn't it given that I am a joker? |
| 18:24.57 | findlay | therefore Jayce^ wasn't even thinking about it |
| 18:25.05 | harleypig | jgiboney: The server installation doesn't have any of the graphical user interfaces (like KDE or Gnome) |
| 18:25.25 | findlay | jgiboney: a desktop version is designed for desktop use. A server is designed for server use |
| 18:25.38 | harleypig | findlay: :] |
| 18:26.31 | jgiboney | so if I want a webserver I would probably want the server version right? |
| 18:26.53 | Jayce^ | if you are using it for just a server.. |
| 18:26.57 | harleypig | jgiboney: How well can you use a command line? |
| 18:27.07 | Jayce^ | if you need a mouse to work on the box, we'll then you want more |
| 18:28.02 | maquis | Jayce^: my experience is that the ubuntu cds do *not* have the server installation... |
| 18:29.01 | harleypig | Wheeee--I forgot I put this in a module: $self->{ 'country' } = ...; |
| 18:29.15 | maquis | i have issues with the desktop ubuntu installation (i don't use 90% of what they install, and i prefer more control than it gives), so last time i installed ubuntu i had to go download and burn a separate cd just for that |
| 18:29.45 | jgiboney | ya I know nothing about linux so the command line thing probably won't work so well, will the desktop version run a webserver? |
| 18:29.55 | maquis | jgiboney: sure |
| 18:30.09 | maquis | jgiboney: you can run a webserver on whatever version you want |
| 18:30.33 | jgiboney | thank you all, I'll let you know when I have problems |
| 18:30.33 | maquis | jgiboney: how much experience do you have setting up a webserver on windows? |
| 18:30.34 | maquis | (or anywhere else) |
| 18:30.40 | jgiboney | none i have an apple |
| 18:30.53 | maquis | jgiboney: how much experience do you have with setting up any kind of server? |
| 18:31.08 | jgiboney | very little... thats what makes learning fun |
| 18:31.08 | maquis | jgiboney: are you willing to read lots of documentation? |
| 18:31.39 | jgiboney | i have taught myself objective-c, actionscript, applescript, html & css |
| 18:31.51 | maquis | jgiboney: cool... i'd recommend learning the command-line as you go, though... because it'll make things a lot easier in the long-run |
| 18:32.08 | maquis | and you can use it on your mac too (for the most part... i think some things are different) |
| 18:35.21 | harleypig | jgiboney: If you set it up as a server and tuck it into a corner and shell into it you can learn the command line while still having a gui interface. |
| 18:36.02 | maquis | another option would be to use a particularly minimal gui interface (like evil) |
| 18:40.50 | findlay | maquis: if you want the ubuntu server, get the alternate ISO |
| 18:41.03 | maquis | findlay: i know... i'm just saying they're not on the same cd |
| 18:41.04 | findlay | maquis: now don't go reccommending evil |
| 18:41.32 | maquis | findlay: what's wrong with recommending evil? |
| 18:41.32 | findlay | would you like a side of vice with that? |
| 18:41.32 | maquis | i mean... sure... it's kind-of odd in utah... but still! :) |
| 18:41.44 | Lone_Wanderer | "evil" is the name of a gui? |
| 18:42.12 | jgiboney | i started downloading the 6.10 cd image, is that the alternate? |
| 18:42.21 | goozbach | installfest? |
| 18:42.43 | goozbach | any installfests near this guy sometime soon? |
| 18:42.45 | findlay | jgiboney: you'll need to be more specific than that |
| 18:43.05 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: evilwm |
| 18:43.15 | maquis | jgiboney: no... that's just a different release... |
| 18:43.16 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 18:43.17 | jgiboney | the desktop 6.10 cd image from the ubuntu website |
| 18:43.25 | maquis | jgiboney: that's still a desktop version |
| 18:43.42 | maquis | ~google ubuntu server |
| 18:44.17 | findlay | goozbach: the only installfest that happens these days is the BYU one and I don't remember when the next one is |
| 18:44.50 | maquis | findlay: probably in the next 2-3 weeks if it hasn't happened yet this term... |
| 18:44.54 | jgiboney | i figure i'll start with the desktop version and then if I want the server version i'll go to that later, unless the server version has some really nice features the desktop does not |
| 18:45.02 | maquis | ~ask spr when the next installfest is |
| 18:45.30 | maquis | jgiboney: the only difference is that the server version lets *you* decide what to install, and lets *you* do most of the setup |
| 18:45.40 | findlay | jgiboney: well you got on freenode and found #utah. That's saying something |
| 18:45.46 | maquis | while the regular version does a ton of random installation and setup for you (which you may or may not want) |
| 18:45.53 | goozbach | there needs to be another LIF |
| 18:45.53 | findlay | jgiboney: don't listen to maquis. She's bitter about ubuntu |
| 18:46.05 | goozbach | that was fun |
| 18:46.08 | *** part/#utah graphyx (n=graphyx@205.208.245.105) |
| 18:46.16 | findlay | goozbach: yeah it was |
| 18:46.19 | maquis | findlay: i'm not bitter about it... it's nice... i just don't get along with the desktop version |
| 18:46.35 | goozbach | I wish I had the pictures from that |
| 18:46.43 | goozbach | rsimpkins: you still have them? |
| 18:46.48 | goozbach | ~seen rsimpkins |
| 18:47.13 | ibot | rsimpkins is currently on #utah. Has said a total of 33 messages. Is idling for 4d 14h 58m 13s, last said: 'redbeard1: ping'. |
| 18:56.14 | redbeard1 | was rsimpkins looking for me? |
| 18:57.09 | goozbach | aparently so |
| 18:58.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone here speak German? |
| 18:59.08 | redbeard1 | nein |
| 18:59.10 | goozbach | nein! |
| 18:59.13 | goozbach | heh |
| 18:59.15 | redbeard1 | i win! |
| 18:59.22 | emcnabb | heil hitler! |
| 18:59.34 | emcnabb | oktoberfest |
| 18:59.47 | maquis | ~lart emcnabb for fun |
| 19:00.08 | redbeard1 | ~lart maquis for more fun |
| 19:00.23 | Lone_Wanderer | because I'm guessing that Babelfish is going to mistranslate "kind of". |
| 19:00.34 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: i could help you out in chinese, but not german |
| 19:00.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh well. |
| 19:00.40 | redbeard1 | Lone_Wanderer: kind of? |
| 19:00.54 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm talking to someone on IM who only speaks a little English. |
| 19:01.35 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: how important is the "kind of"? |
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| 19:01.51 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: and... are you being honest with her? |
| 19:01.55 | Lone_Wanderer | lol it's a guy! |
| 19:01.59 | Lone_Wanderer | in Berlin. |
| 19:02.06 | Lone_Wanderer | oh wait, "her" meaning the girl I'm kind of dating? |
| 19:02.14 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: ah... i apparently made an incorrect assumption about why you were saying this |
| 19:06.33 | Lone_Wanderer | How do you make a script run as root? suid or something, right? |
| 19:09.51 | findlay | there are many ways |
| 19:14.29 | Lone_Wanderer | What would I google to read up on them? |
| 19:16.29 | goozbach | sjansen: what's that bottom-posting quote you used to use in your sig? |
| 19:19.27 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.27 | sjansen | A: Because we read from top to bottom, left to right. |
| 19:19.27 | sjansen | Q: Why should i start my reply below the quoted text ? |
| 19:19.27 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.35 | emcnabb | goozbach, sjansen: funny you mention top posting; I had converstation about this earlier today at work |
| 19:34.11 | goozbach | one of my co-workers claims I sent an empty email, because I bottom posted |
| 19:34.37 | goozbach | "that's silly" "I've never seen someone send an email like that" |
| 19:35.12 | goozbach | --me "That's because you've never used anything but outlook, which intentionally ignorges accepted standards" |
| 19:40.23 | findlay | way to tell them |
| 19:42.32 | goozbach | sjansen: thanks, I paraphrased it, but got most of the jist |
| 19:46.21 | emcnabb | you should have sprayed him with mace and insulted his mother too |
| 19:46.25 | emcnabb | that would have taught him |
| 19:48.49 | findlay | I prefer side posting |
| 19:48.56 | findlay | left side posting |
| 19:51.21 | vontrapp | quoting itself should be used conservatively |
| 19:51.46 | vontrapp | quote the minimal amount to give your response context |
| 19:52.24 | vontrapp | it just Makes Sense (TM) |
| 19:53.08 | vontrapp | who has used udhcpd? |
| 19:53.10 | findlay | vontrapp> it just Makes Sense (TM) |
| 19:53.13 | findlay | Indeed. |
| 19:54.03 | vontrapp | alternatively, who would recommend i use some other dhcp server/ |
| 19:54.04 | vontrapp | ? |
| 19:55.07 | Supaplex | dhcpd3 has all the features I need. runs fine on the 256mb CF card of a router I have (debian) |
| 19:55.25 | Supaplex | I also use dnsmasq, but for dns only. |
| 19:56.07 | vontrapp | dhcp3 allegedly lacks on key feature i need, that it remain operational even when network topology changes (that is to say, it remains _operational_ but not necessarily _operating_) |
| 19:56.43 | vontrapp | i want said server to bind to an address (preferably interface independent) |
| 19:56.50 | Supaplex | I think I used udhcpd long time ago. It did the job, but ... lacked key features I needed :) |
| 19:57.31 | vontrapp | such that whenever an interface has that address, it serves, else, it silently does nothing |
| 19:59.00 | vontrapp | anyway, you guys have fun debating this here, i'll be back to review it after 6 |
| 19:59.08 | vontrapp | :) |
| 19:59.19 | findlay | ~flame dhcp |
| 19:59.21 | ibot | dhcp, YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 20:19.41 | goozbach | ~fit goozbach |
| 20:19.54 | goozbach | ~fit |
| 20:19.57 | ibot | ACTION has a wobbly |
| 20:19.57 | goozbach | ~throw a fit |
| 20:20.11 | goozbach | ~fit |
| 20:20.14 | ibot | ACTION has a wobbly |
| 20:20.21 | goozbach | ~literal fit |
| 20:20.22 | ibot | "fit" is "<action> has a wobbly" |
| 20:20.34 | goozbach | ookey... |
| 20:23.06 | sjansen | HP has no record of my extended warranty. I've been trying for a day now to get their information corrected. |
| 20:23.33 | sjansen | This is my 7th time through the system, I've asked 5 times to talk to a supervisor and still haven't been able to. |
| 20:23.52 | sjansen | Until now I was very impressed with my HP. No longer. They've lost me as a customer. |
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| 20:27.44 | jgiboney | hello again |
| 20:28.12 | jgiboney | how do I boot from a cd on a windows machine? |
| 20:29.57 | findlay | jgiboney: you need to go into the bios and change the boot order so that the cd drive is higher than the hard drive |
| 20:30.04 | Jayce^ | just put the cd in, and reboot.. if it doesn't work, then you'll have to choose a bios option when it boots |
| 20:31.04 | jgiboney | how do I get to the bios *sorry for the really simple questions* |
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| 20:32.59 | sjansen | Every BIOS is different. Common keys include F12, F10, and ESC. The best tip I've ever heard is cause an error message and the error message will usually tell you. |
| 20:33.26 | sjansen | The easiest type of error to cause is a keyboard overflow so press and hold a key during boot. Pay careful attention and hope for the best. |
| 20:33.39 | graphyx | sometimes holding ctrl does it |
| 20:34.56 | jgiboney | thanks f10 is working |
| 20:35.03 | encryptz | what does it mean when i get ": bad interpreter: No such file or directory" on a perl output to screen? |
| 20:35.39 | jsmith | encryptz: Look at the very first line of the file... the one that starts with #! |
| 20:36.00 | encryptz | k... |
| 20:36.54 | findlay | sjansen: I once found an impressively large table of bios keys for various laptop brands. I wish I had bookmarked it |
| 20:37.08 | Jayce^ | does it say /usr/<local>/bin/perl ? common problem I've seen |
| 20:37.33 | findlay | how about `#!$(which perl)` (-: |
| 20:37.34 | encryptz | #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 20:38.03 | jsmith | Now type "which perl" at the shell prompt, and see where your perl binary is located |
| 20:38.14 | goozbach | o/~ lock the cashbox o/~ |
| 20:38.38 | sjansen | #!/usr/bin/env perl |
| 20:38.45 | goozbach | o/~ you're really gonna *mumble* o/~ |
| 20:38.49 | encryptz | which perl: /usr/bin/perl |
| 20:38.50 | goozbach | o/~ lock the cashbox o/~ |
| 20:39.32 | sjansen | So after telling HP's support rep 5 times that I wanted to talk to his supervisor, he finally said "I'm transferring you to my supervisor." |
| 20:39.52 | sjansen | Unfortunately, he lied to me. What he meant was "I'm transferring you to the land of eternal hold music." |
| 20:40.51 | findlay | encryptz: your /usr/bin/perl is defective. I would take it back for a refund |
| 20:41.17 | goozbach | Barry's an elf! |
| 20:41.45 | encryptz | findlay: i'm on it. so is that similar to the micrsoft tax? :) |
| 20:42.28 | encryptz | seriously. i've written *tons* of perl scripts on this system, now it stops working? |
| 20:42.36 | encryptz | is that the only thing it could be? |
| 20:42.49 | findlay | I don't know |
| 20:42.57 | sjansen | probably not, don't get tunnel vision |
| 20:43.14 | encryptz | sjansen: any ideas why the error? |
| 20:43.34 | jgiboney | well I must have messed up of my cd because it isn't booting from the cd. Is there anyway to check the cd? |
| 20:44.55 | sjansen | encryptz: The learning is rarely in the solution but the path, young padawan. |
| 20:45.06 | encryptz | meh |
| 20:45.35 | encryptz | ~lightsaber sjansen |
| 20:46.36 | encryptz | ~force sjansen |
| 20:47.10 | MrHope | jgiboney, Check the CD in another computer? Alternatively you could boot from a bootable diskette and then get to the CD after booting from it. |
| 20:47.18 | jgiboney | after I select the boot drive (from the boot drive menu) it says press f11 for recovery and then counts 2 seconds then loads windows |
| 20:48.09 | encryptz | stoopid windows carriage returns... |
| 20:48.14 | jgiboney | should I press f11? |
| 20:48.14 | encryptz | ~lart windows |
| 20:51.56 | MrHope | jgiboney, Not sure what F11 you're referring to. :/ what CD are you attempting to boot from? |
| 20:54.01 | jgiboney | I donwloaded ubuntu desktop 6.10 and made a disk image of it and burnt it to a cd so I can install ubuntu on a computer and get rid of windows |
| 20:54.17 | MrHope | Is this a laptop? |
| 20:54.28 | jgiboney | no it is a tower |
| 20:54.33 | jgiboney | from emachines |
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| 20:55.38 | MrHope | Ohh.. Well not sure about e-machines but I know some systems will prompt for F11 to re-install a disk image of Windows on the hard disk drive. It sounds as if that is what is happening. Unless Ubuntu prompts for F11 at boot (don't think it does). |
| 20:56.01 | MrHope | In CMOS you setup your CD-ROM as the first boot device? |
| 20:56.23 | jgiboney | i don't know, I know little about windows and less of linux |
| 20:57.33 | MrHope | Well it sounds to me that the CD is not booting. Which either means it's not setup in CMOS properly or the CD you have is not a bootable CD. |
| 20:58.08 | MrHope | Enter CMOS again (F10 I believe is what you said earlier) and then look for a boot options; should list how your comptuer is booting ie: floppy, hard drive, cd-rom |
| 20:58.21 | MrHope | Change to: CD-ROM, floppy, hard drive. |
| 20:58.45 | MrHope | .. and make sure to save the settings before exiting. |
| 21:00.13 | jgiboney | okay give me a minute, the person who I got this from has so much spyware protection, pop up blockers, and firewalls that it is almost as bad as having all the spam |
| 21:04.11 | sjansen | Error 500: Server caught unhandled exception from servlet [action]: null |
| 21:04.45 | sjansen | Today just isn't my day. I want to log into sprint to find out how long I can afford to spent on hold and I get the above. |
| 21:05.10 | jgiboney | MrHope are you talking about the IDE Channels? |
| 21:05.27 | sjansen | It took 25 minutes to convince that jerk to transfer me to his supervisor. I've spent 35 minutes listening to horrible music. I don't think I'm every going to talk to a human. |
| 21:05.58 | MrHope | jgiboney, Can't say with certainty because all CMOS setups are differnt, usually it's under a boot or boot options screen. |
| 21:06.32 | MrHope | Should list CD-ROM, Floppy (or removable media), and HDD or Hard drive |
| 21:09.57 | jgiboney | The first boot device has always been the cd... but it didn't work, which must mean there is something wrong with my cd |
| 21:10.51 | MrHope | Most likely. Some bootable CD's will require you to press a key to boot from the CD, so make sure you're not getting a prompt such as "press xxx to boot from CD" where xxx is the key you're pressing. |
| 21:11.02 | MrHope | Otherwise should boot directly into the CD. |
| 21:11.43 | harleypig | Yay! I got flash working! |
| 21:12.39 | findlay | ~flash harleypig |
| 21:12.40 | ibot | ACTION starts a firmware update on harleypig, then pulls the plug halfway through |
| 21:12.52 | harleypig | heh |
| 21:15.52 | rsimpkins | goozbach: I still have the LIF pictures somewhere. |
| 21:16.21 | rsimpkins | goozbach: http://old.ryansimpkins.com/lif3/ |
| 21:16.44 | rsimpkins | redbeard1: I was. My wife and I tried to make a layer cake over the weekend and we didn't have a clue what we were doing. |
| 21:18.18 | rsimpkins | redbeard1: We ended up making a slightly off cake. Tasted okay, but it was a big crubmly and lop-sided. :) |
| 21:20.15 | sjansen | http://old.ryansimpkins.com/lif3/118_1876_1.jpg <-- Photo evidence that before becoming rich and famous, goozbach was among us. |
| 21:21.09 | MrHope | <Don't hit> but what is LIF short for? |
| 21:22.28 | MrHope | Pretty sure it's not Low Insertion Force.. ;) |
| 21:23.30 | sjansen | After more than an hour on hold the supervisor who was ignoring me must have gotten tired of the flashing light and just hung up. |
| 21:23.39 | MrHope | .. guesses: Linux InfomFest |
| 21:23.53 | sjansen | Here and I was hoping to be able to blog "I spent 48 hours on hold with HP." |
| 21:24.03 | sjansen | linux installfest |
| 21:24.15 | MrHope | Ahh.. well was close. :) |
| 21:31.02 | rsimpkins | LIF is hosted by XMission every now and then. I think LIF5 or 6 is coming next. |
| 21:32.41 | rsimpkins | LIF4 looks like it was in MAY 04 - http://uphpu.org/pipermail/uphpu/2004-April/001000.html |
| 21:37.49 | MrHope | Ahh that's cool. Now that you mention that I recall recieving an e-mail from Xmission about it. |
| 21:38.32 | MrHope | Never had issues I couldn't figure out when installing Linux so never justified it. :) |
| 21:39.10 | MrHope | Plus use Windows more than *nix. ;( |
| 22:08.51 | levi | Yow. Have you guys watched the Microsoft Windows/386 promotional video that's been going around? |
| 22:10.27 | [phoenyx] | maybe |
| 22:10.42 | [phoenyx] | the one with ballmer? |
| 22:12.05 | levi | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4915875929930836239& |
| 22:12.07 | levi | No, that one. |
| 22:12.32 | vontrapp | darn, jgi left |
| 22:12.49 | vontrapp | he said he "made a cd image from the download" |
| 22:12.58 | findlay | heh |
| 22:13.03 | goozbach | rsimpkins: tks |
| 22:13.11 | vontrapp | my guess is he stuck the cd image in an iso9660 fs on the cd |
| 22:13.18 | vontrapp | not the most useful thing |
| 22:14.28 | levi | I've done that accidentally before when using burning software I was unfamiliar with. |
| 22:23.12 | redbeard1 | levi: "Is that OS/2? You're not supposed to be using that." "No, it's Microsoft Windows 386." |
| 22:24.37 | spr | maquis: next saturday. |
| 22:25.10 | levi | redbeard1: Have you got to the 7 minute mark yet? |
| 22:25.26 | redbeard1 | levi: the part where she starts rapping? |
| 22:25.31 | levi | Yeah. |
| 22:25.37 | redbeard1 | it's scary |
| 22:25.42 | levi | Indeed. |
| 22:25.44 | [phoenyx] | that doesn't look like 1-2-3! |
| 22:25.58 | levi | redbeard1: And that new outfit.... |
| 22:26.02 | redbeard1 | oh man. |
| 22:26.05 | redbeard1 | the 80's. |
| 22:33.48 | harleypig | It's not even a walkman! |
| 22:34.41 | harleypig | Oooh ... check out the size of that disk! |
| 22:34.54 | levi | Anyone who likes techno/electronica should check out Wisp. Pretty good stuff. |
| 22:35.34 | harleypig | levi: Got a link? |
| 22:36.42 | sjansen | levi: url? |
| 22:38.07 | levi | http://www.fugazi.net/dswat/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1198 |
| 22:39.12 | harleypig | "I'v got other plans. I hope" |
| 22:40.19 | levi | http://www.earstroke.com/wisp/ |
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| 22:47.34 | harleypig | How do I do alternating values in a regex for grep? grep '^use' file.pl | grep -v 'strict|base|vars' isn't ignoring the lines with strict, base or vars |
| 22:47.46 | harleypig | s/do I do/do I use/ |
| 22:51.24 | harleypig | nm ... grep -Pv gives me what I want |
| 22:52.14 | dataw0lf | grep "strict\|base\|vars" <file> |
| 23:07.32 | tristanbob | anyone remember the name of the application that allows people to collaborate on document in real-time |
| 23:08.33 | tristanbob | open source app |
| 23:08.55 | tristanbob | kinda like a real-time wiki |
| 23:09.34 | levi | sub-etha edit? Or something like that? |
| 23:10.30 | tristanbob | that looks like a mailing list manager |
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| 23:22.21 | Jayce^ | sub etha-edit is a collaborative editor, but not open source, mac only |
| 23:27.53 | dilvie | Knobtweakers Best of 2006 is Compiled! |
| 23:27.55 | dilvie | It features tracks by MSTRKRFT, Ben Crea (BPC), Dumb Dan, jLove, Mylo, Morgan Page, Andy Caldwell, KJ Sawka, The Crystal Method, and Late Night Alumni. |
| 23:31.43 | bonez39 | if I am using footmatic-gui to add a printer..how do I load it...as root? any other way from the console? I keep getting errors listing, if I su to root and launch that wya |
| 23:31.45 | bonez39 | way |
| 23:40.53 | bonez39 | damn...there I go having that icing effect again..I comment all are SILENT.... |
| 23:41.16 | bonez39 | how do I do that??? and more important, how can I do the same TRICK at HOME...with my wife and boys |
| 23:56.25 | macnewbold | I don't use foomatic |
