| 00:05.17 | bonez39 | Tene, I am in Sandy |
| 00:06.21 | herlo | findlay: pong |
| 00:07.14 | bonez39 | findlay, how many have you seen? |
| 00:07.58 | findlay | bonez39: just one |
| 00:08.01 | findlay | well, two |
| 00:08.13 | bonez39 | ah...and that was, er...those were enough, .. I take it.... |
| 00:08.13 | findlay | I may have seen others at public places |
| 00:08.43 | bonez39 | how many actually put their hands on your spine and aligned it though? |
| 00:09.23 | bonez39 | Tene, there are always a few nuts in the group....a few overly ripe apples....I don't make excuse for those...but just acknowledge them statistically |
| 00:09.33 | Tene | Of course. |
| 00:09.55 | Tene | bonez39: I know better than to listen to findlay. :D |
| 00:12.51 | findlay | of course by seen I didn't meen 'seen', but 'seen' |
| 00:12.58 | findlay | s/ee/ea/g |
| 00:13.07 | findlay | whatever |
| 00:13.15 | bonez39 | good...anyway, if your sister is near sandy........and wants to get adjusted...have her call me.....801.566.5428 |
| 00:14.06 | Tene | Name? |
| 00:14.36 | bonez39 | Dr. Scott Jones |
| 00:14.44 | bonez39 | Sandy Chiropractic Office.... |
| 00:14.52 | bonez39 | 8045 South 700 East .. Suite 1 |
| 00:14.54 | bonez39 | ...;) |
| 00:15.04 | bonez39 | it's on the sign outside by the street.... |
| 00:25.06 | bonez39 | who invented IVR....I'd like to bury them......United Healthcare's IVR....stinks... |
| 00:28.26 | jsmith | bonez39: Hey now, don't knock the blacksmith just because someone doesn't know how to wield their sword ;-) |
| 00:38.09 | bonez39 | jsmith, ok ok....I shouldn't knock IVR....in and of itself.....I should obliterate the idiot though, at UHC who has implemented their IVR....;0 |
| 00:38.15 | bonez39 | jsmith, is that a bit better? |
| 00:38.34 | jsmith | bonez39: Much better! |
| 00:39.48 | bonez39 | jsmith, I thought I should have said it better after my first comment.... |
| 00:40.30 | bonez39 | jsmith, is Utah Asterisk Goup meeting monthly, or not much going on with that for now? |
| 00:41.24 | bonez39 | I don't see much on the utaug.org site..... |
| 00:41.49 | bonez39 | but I know I'd love to have a box set up for my office and home calling, with asterisk behind it....... |
| 00:43.15 | jsmith | bonez39: So join us in #utaug and blame Eliott and billyjean |
| 00:45.05 | bonez39 | cool |
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| 00:50.24 | bonez39 | hi Sargun |
| 00:50.30 | Sargun | hi bonez39 |
| 00:53.11 | bonez39 | later |
| 00:53.20 | findlay | ~hello Sargun |
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| 02:09.53 | findlay | ibot: like you know anything |
| 02:09.54 | ibot | ACTION smooches you know anything on the lips |
| 02:10.59 | findlay | ibot: you don't get it |
| 02:13.03 | graphyx | Ok, guys this is too funny. |
| 02:13.05 | graphyx | this is from a nessus scan result: An unknown server is running on this port. If you know what it is, please send this banner to the nessus team: Type=get_http 0x00: 32 30 30 20 68 65 6C 6C 6F 20 74 68 65 72 65 2C 200 hello there, 0x10: 20 77 68 6F 20 61 72 65 20 79 6F 75 3F 0D 0A 35 who are you?..5 0x20: 30 33 20 68 75 68 3F 20 49 20 77 61 73 6E 27 74 03 huh? I wasn't 0x30: 20 65 78 70 65 63 74 69 6E 67 20 74 68 61 74 20 expecting that 0x40: 2D 20 61 72 |
| 02:16.58 | findlay | how'd you get that? |
| 02:17.13 | graphyx | I don't know. |
| 02:17.22 | graphyx | the tests are automated. |
| 02:17.38 | findlay | that looks like cyber fungi growing on your server |
| 02:17.50 | graphyx | which is why I think it is so funny. |
| 02:17.50 | findlay | I'd apply some fungicide |
| 02:18.06 | graphyx | It was a clients system. |
| 02:18.22 | graphyx | didn't do it the second time. |
| 02:20.37 | Tene | what port? |
| 02:20.42 | graphyx | 106 |
| 02:20.47 | graphyx | tcp |
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| 03:08.05 | elg | classical guitarists always look so silly |
| 03:08.21 | elg | unless they look at their hands or close their eyes |
| 03:08.33 | elg | but the ones that don't look and just stare off into space like statues |
| 03:08.39 | elg | with funny hairdos |
| 03:12.01 | graphyx | isn't that basically all that mtv showed for the first 6 years? |
| 03:15.18 | elg | yes, but that was statues that stood and screamed |
| 03:15.23 | elg | these guys just sit there |
| 03:15.33 | elg | they sound good and look dazed |
| 03:17.14 | levi_home | You'd probably look dazed too. |
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| 03:27.07 | levi_home | Robert Anton Wilson died. |
| 03:31.57 | Newsome | from the entry on Wikipedia, I'll have to say that may not be a bad thing |
| 03:35.47 | macnewbold | levi_home: who is that? |
| 03:36.09 | levi_home | He's the guy who came up with 'fnord' |
| 03:36.11 | Newsome | some wack job, apparently |
| 03:36.54 | levi_home | Definitely eccentric, but the Illuminatus! trilogy was pretty widely read, especially amongst computer geeks. |
| 03:50.08 | levi_home | The Church of the Subgenius was founded by Illuminatus! fans, and the venerable Slackware distribution was certainly influenced by the Church of the Subgenius. |
| 03:59.02 | levi_home | Anyway, he was a hugely influential guy, even if his stuff was not the sort of stuff good LDS kids would read. |
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| 05:09.04 | goozbach | good grief, 8hrs work followed by 6 hrs work |
| 05:09.07 | goozbach | yay! |
| 05:12.02 | Supaplex | goozbach: ok, enough slacking. back to work. |
| 05:14.29 | goozbach | I'm working on going to bed |
| 05:16.46 | goozbach | now to get grub2 installed |
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| 14:14.07 | goozbach | good morning! |
| 14:15.38 | Newsome | s/good// |
| 14:16.20 | goozbach | you heard me |
| 14:16.27 | goozbach | I said GOOD morning |
| 14:16.51 | emcnabb | morning |
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| 14:26.20 | Newsome | hey, Evan. You know that bug report and fixed glibc? Red Hat fixed it, but nobody can see the bugreport - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=218802 |
| 14:26.24 | Newsome | I feel gypped |
| 14:29.48 | jsmith | Ah, is that why there's a new glibc for Fedora? |
| 14:33.32 | Newsome | it's one of the updates |
| 14:37.18 | Newsome | Here's the update list - http://fedoranews.org/cms/node/2382 |
| 14:37.41 | Newsome | I reported this one: * Tue Dec 12 2006 Jakub Jelinek 2.5-7 - fix hasmntopt (#218802) |
| 14:38.00 | goozbach | I wonder what one has to do to become authorized to see that bug |
| 14:38.10 | ^Migs^ | http://www.thelocal.se/6076/20070112/ |
| 14:38.49 | Newsome | It's just not every day you get to find and fix a bug in glibc... |
| 14:42.19 | goozbach | and seriously what could be in that bug report that the public at large couldn't/shouldn't see? |
| 14:43.59 | Newsome | good question |
| 14:47.39 | ^Migs^ | that old guy is yakking with new guy again, about how smart he is |
| 14:47.59 | ^Migs^ | now he's talking about how he "invented" all this stuff years ago |
| 14:48.23 | ^Migs^ | haha, he's claiming he invented music videos back in 1964 |
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| 14:54.28 | redbeard1 | hey emcnabb, thanks for the fedora dvds |
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| 15:43.32 | maquis | if there's a big red light blinking on my phone, does that generally mean that there's a voicemail? |
| 15:45.53 | vontrapp | how are the roads in provo/orem? |
| 15:46.06 | redbeard1 | vontrapp: 3 feet |
| 15:46.10 | redbeard1 | abandon all hope! |
| 15:46.15 | redbeard1 | er. i mean. |
| 15:46.29 | redbeard1 | 800 east in orem was pretty clear. dunno about any other roads. |
| 15:48.15 | vontrapp | so univ. pkw. should be pretty good |
| 15:48.33 | vontrapp | i hate that there's two roads called university |
| 15:49.53 | redbeard1 | yeah, i have to cross parkway on the way to and from work, and it looked decent |
| 15:50.21 | vontrapp | that's not a bad drive to work, just on 800E |
| 15:50.35 | vontrapp | how far do you have to go? |
| 15:51.34 | graphyx | you guys get a ton of snow dumped on you? |
| 15:51.57 | vontrapp | not a ton, but it was really cold, really icy snow |
| 15:51.58 | redbeard1 | vontrapp: about 4 1/2 miles |
| 15:52.13 | graphyx | It was 55 degrees here this morning. |
| 15:52.20 | graphyx | raining. |
| 15:54.34 | goozbach | it's currently 60 degrees and sunny here |
| 15:54.47 | redbeard1 | ~lart graphyx and goozbach |
| 15:55.03 | graphyx | I expected that. |
| 15:55.27 | redbeard1 | you should have |
| 15:56.07 | vontrapp | huh? my weather ticker was set to sydney |
| 15:56.08 | graphyx | much like I expect it to stop raining and be 55 degrees here today. |
| 15:56.48 | vontrapp | i don't want your evil snow-melting heat! |
| 15:57.34 | redbeard1 | ~lart snow |
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| 15:59.21 | vontrapp | there we go, 17° here |
| 15:59.29 | vontrapp | -8° C |
| 15:59.44 | vontrapp | overcast |
| 16:05.05 | goozbach | I'll be going snowboarding in less than a month |
| 16:05.12 | goozbach | for four straight days |
| 16:05.16 | goozbach | at park city no less |
| 16:05.20 | goozbach | staying at a condo |
| 16:05.33 | goozbach | living the skibum's life |
| 16:05.42 | goozbach | now who's jealous? |
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| 16:09.28 | sargun | hey guys, sup? |
| 16:15.20 | dataw0lf | goozbach: I'll be at Whistler for three days, all expenses paid, in less than a month |
| 16:15.23 | dataw0lf | :-) |
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| 16:17.38 | sjansen | Death to the snow lovers! Burn them, burn the snow lovers! |
| 16:21.43 | tristanbob | Yes! Lots of ice-burns like old-meat in the freezer! |
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| 16:22.20 | elg | morning |
| 16:22.49 | elg | anyone know if there's hardware issues with linux and dvd burners, or can I just get any burner and it'll work? |
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| 16:24.22 | sjansen | ~dog WoodsDog |
| 16:24.24 | ibot | ACTION stares at WoodsDog until WoodsDog whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 16:24.29 | nick125_lappy | elg: it usually just works |
| 16:26.08 | goozbach | note to self: when doing a network based install, having a correcty defined nameserver helps. |
| 16:26.25 | nick125_lappy | note to goozbach: of course. |
| 16:26.37 | nick125_lappy | Or use IPs instead of hostnames |
| 16:27.51 | redbeard1 | http://joyoftech.com/joyoftech/index.html |
| 16:29.58 | nick125_lappy | Hahaha |
| 16:40.38 | sjansen | happy happy joy joy happy happy joy joy |
| 16:44.27 | levi | The comics are the best thing about the iPhone announcement. :) |
| 16:49.45 | dataw0lf | my Dad went to MacWorld, he says they have it on a pedestal with a glass globe reverently covering it |
| 16:51.30 | levi | It is the new idol of the Apple cult. |
| 16:53.08 | vontrapp | it's snowing again! |
| 16:53.13 | bonez39 | elg, I know that my burner will only run if I boot to 2.4.x kernel.......and refuses to burn if running 2.6.x.... |
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| 17:28.16 | findlay | hello #utah |
| 17:28.21 | findlay | good morning TimRiker |
| 17:28.28 | levi | Hi, findlay. |
| 17:28.35 | TimRiker | moin |
| 17:29.04 | TimRiker | "Don't you have anything without spam?" |
| 17:30.07 | findlay | without spam is always the ideal that everyone works on I guess, except in python |
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| 17:32.36 | sjansen | Well, the spam, spam, eggs, and spam doesn't have much spam in it. |
| 17:34.30 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 17:37.16 | vontrapp | is there a binary difference between ia64 and amd64? |
| 17:37.16 | vontrapp | if not, how can i trick apt into grabbing sources from an ia64 source? |
| 17:37.58 | findlay | vontrapp: yes |
| 17:38.12 | vontrapp | which one? |
| 17:38.14 | TimRiker | vontrapp: they are _not_ the same. that would be a Bad Thing. |
| 17:38.19 | vontrapp | ok |
| 17:38.21 | vontrapp | darn |
| 17:38.38 | findlay | ia64 is intel arch. amd64 is the same as emt64, emt64 being intel's concession to amd's 64 bit arch |
| 17:39.12 | TimRiker | emt64/amd64 is just x86++ where ia64 is completely different. |
| 17:39.26 | findlay | but I thought amd64 was 'better' |
| 17:39.39 | TimRiker | now ia64 cpu's have a x86 mode in them, true, but that's a totally different instruction set. |
| 17:40.01 | vontrapp | is ia64 completely different as in they threw out backwards compat and made a fresh new, not encumbered architecture? |
| 17:40.14 | TimRiker | and64 is "better" than x86. but it's highly debatable how it compares to ia64. |
| 17:40.21 | findlay | hm |
| 17:40.27 | vontrapp | interesting |
| 17:40.40 | TimRiker | vontrapp: well, yes. except then they added x86 back in as a separate mode. |
| 17:41.30 | vontrapp | but when not running in x86 mode, it could be a really good arch, depending on how much effort they put into it? |
| 17:42.01 | TimRiker | it's nice. but there are still missing pieces. |
| 17:42.31 | TimRiker | ia64 has multiple pipelines and wants the compiler to take advantage of that. |
| 17:42.43 | TimRiker | gcc does a poor job of keeping the pipelines full. |
| 17:43.19 | TimRiker | 4.x is much better than 3.x but still has a long ways to go to catch the intel compiler. |
| 17:43.48 | TimRiker | and the intel compiler will not build a linux kernel that works, so that means that linux does not work nearly as well as it could. |
| 17:44.25 | vontrapp | why won't the intel compiler build a linux kernel? |
| 17:44.38 | vontrapp | shoot, wish i had known all this before buying my amd64 |
| 17:44.40 | levi | ia64 = Itanium |
| 17:45.59 | vontrapp | i would have just gotten the faster 32bit |
| 17:46.26 | elg | grrrrrrrrr |
| 17:46.29 | levi | They're still making fast 32bit chips? Even Semprons are 64bit now, IIRC. |
| 17:46.29 | elg | I hate verified by visa |
| 17:46.52 | vontrapp | who verified? |
| 17:46.55 | findlay | elg: me too |
| 17:47.08 | findlay | ~whalenuke verified by visa(R) |
| 17:47.14 | ibot | ACTION dons his radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around verified by visa(R) with his mind powers |
| 17:47.21 | elg | i just tried to order something from newegg with a different card than usual |
| 17:47.31 | findlay | elg: don't worry about it |
| 17:47.37 | elg | apparently my financial institution feels fit to force verified by visa down my throat |
| 17:47.51 | elg | it was a dead end screen. only the form and the continue button |
| 17:48.07 | elg | so I just closed the window. now my shopping cart is empty. so did the order happen or not? |
| 17:48.20 | elg | now i'm going to have to play email tag. at least it's newegg |
| 17:48.21 | findlay | elg: when I order stuff from newegg, after the order it forwards to the stupid visa site and I never fill anything out but after a couple of minutes my order always shows on the newegg site |
| 17:48.49 | elg | findlay: that's promising |
| 17:48.53 | sjansen | gcc has compiler extensions that aren't part of ANSI C |
| 17:48.55 | findlay | I have never gotten the visa thing to work |
| 17:48.57 | elg | but just goes to show how stupid VBV is |
| 17:49.07 | findlay | I'm never giving it my personal data again |
| 17:49.15 | elg | sure enough. it's on step 3 |
| 17:49.17 | sjansen | Linux takes advantage of gcc extensions to better optimize code. |
| 17:49.39 | elg | I did it once, when it was new. all that happened was me forgetting what password I gave it the next time I tried to order something with that card 8 months later |
| 17:49.41 | findlay | elg: told ya (: |
| 17:50.02 | findlay | I don't trust that verified thing |
| 17:50.03 | elg | luckily that card has gone and I have no vv-polluted cards now |
| 17:50.14 | sjansen | If you forget you VBV password, you can use other information to change it. |
| 17:50.15 | elg | in the past I've always had a choice though |
| 17:50.28 | elg | sjansen: yes, but what's the point |
| 17:50.50 | elg | i already entered enough private info |
| 17:50.51 | sjansen | As for whether the order happened, if it did within hours newegg will email you an invoice. |
| 17:51.12 | elg | it shows up on my account page as "successfully charged" |
| 17:51.20 | vontrapp | here! enter a password, since it's not even the password that secures you, all you need is personal information tidbits |
| 17:51.22 | elg | so I'll assume it works and check the status tomorrow or when the email comes |
| 17:51.32 | sjansen | Based on the URL, the VBV password change was going through my bank, not newegg. |
| 17:51.36 | elg | vontrapp: which any id thief can dig up easily |
| 17:51.49 | elg | definitly external to newegg |
| 17:51.52 | sjansen | More secure transaction (more authentication tokens) mean lower rates for merchants. |
| 17:52.16 | elg | which is another thing. it's not a visa.com or my bank's ssl site, it's someone they've contracted |
| 17:52.37 | elg | how do I know, other than I am somewhat sure newegg isn't malicious or cracked, that it's really a vbv site? |
| 17:52.58 | elg | well I hope some phishers go out and phish VBV until they're blue in the face |
| 17:53.15 | elg | then maybe they'll get rid of the stupid thing. |
| 17:53.22 | elg | i wouldn't mind if it really was more secure |
| 17:53.35 | elg | and i didn't mind when it was optional. |
| 17:53.51 | vontrapp | elg: i know, it makes no sense to me, what's the point of a password if you can just circumvent it |
| 17:53.58 | elg | then again, this isn't the first stupid thing this bank has done. if we didn't need a local bank from time to time I'd go cancel the account right no |
| 17:54.01 | elg | w |
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| 18:11.09 | vontrapp | mmm, i love how flash likes to crash firefox all the time |
| 18:11.50 | findlay | vontrapp: gnash does better than that. It can crash X |
| 18:13.05 | bonez39 | if I open 'localhost' in my browser...shouldn't it open my default home page? |
| 18:13.33 | findlay | bonez39: only if you have a webserver running |
| 18:13.39 | bonez39 | I type the specific name for my web page on my linux box..and it loads..but not at localhost..and 'localhost:631' refuses to open CUPS interface |
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| 18:13.44 | bonez39 | I have apache2 running |
| 18:14.00 | bonez39 | An error occurred while loading http://localhost.com: |
| 18:14.00 | bonez39 | Timeout on server |
| 18:14.00 | bonez39 | Connection was to localhost.com at port 80 |
| 18:14.05 | bonez39 | I get that...... |
| 18:14.05 | findlay | heh |
| 18:14.14 | findlay | you don't want localhost.com |
| 18:14.25 | findlay | try http://127.0.0.1:631 |
| 18:14.26 | fungus | http://localhost/ |
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| 18:14.46 | bonez39 | hmmmm |
| 18:15.05 | bonez39 | ah, that brings it up...... |
| 18:15.10 | bonez39 | the 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:15.17 | nick125- | hiya guys |
| 18:15.54 | bonez39 | that begs the next question...why does 127.0.0.1:631 work when localhost:631/ won't? |
| 18:16.46 | bonez39 | it's taking forever to load |
| 18:16.51 | nick125- | do you have an entry in /etc/hosts for 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 18:16.52 | nick125- | ? |
| 18:19.24 | bonez39 | nick125, let me look |
| 18:19.53 | bonez39 | 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain fyrenice fyrenice.com scott 24.10.146.77 |
| 18:20.00 | bonez39 | that's the first line for my /etc/hosts file.. |
| 18:22.20 | bonez39 | well, I can't stay, but will check back later |
| 18:28.00 | sjansen | http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/322.html |
| 18:30.10 | levi | Heh. |
| 18:30.28 | levi | sjansen: Have you been looking at the Joy of Tech archives all morning? |
| 18:34.55 | sjansen | http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/376.html |
| 18:35.00 | sjansen | No, not all morning. |
| 18:35.18 | sjansen | I've done so work. And looked at my boss's newest tech toy. |
| 18:48.09 | sjansen | http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/338.html |
| 18:56.36 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 18:56.58 | elg | -weather klru |
| 18:56.59 | brac | 23 minutes ago, on Fri Jan 12 18:34:00 UTC 2007, the wind was blowing at a speed of 9.77 meters per second (21.86 miles per hour), with gusts to 12.35 meters per second (27.62 miles per hour), from the South at KLRU. The temperature was 18 degrees Celsius (64 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1014 hPa (29.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 45.4%. There were broken clouds at a height of 1524 meters (5000 feet) |
| 18:56.59 | brac | and broken clouds at a height of 1981 meters (6500 feet). |
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| 20:07.00 | goozbach | sjansen: which boss? what toy? |
| 20:10.36 | sjansen | goozbach: both, a media hub with support for just about any codec, any output format (including HD), NFS & SMB |
| 20:11.14 | sjansen | an internal hard drive or external USB 2.0, upload content over FTP |
| 20:11.15 | goozbach | bah, I miss working there, if for no other reason than dax and bryan usability testing new toys |
| 20:12.44 | Jayce^ | sjansen, which one? |
| 20:13.04 | sjansen | http://www.digitalconnection.com/products/video/tvixm4000.asp |
| 20:16.13 | goozbach | oh and of course, working alongside sjansen |
| 20:16.17 | goozbach | that was fun too |
| 20:16.59 | levi | sjansen: It's like an AppleTV, except less sexy and usable but more featureful. |
| 20:17.15 | nick125 | and it doesn't have the apple logo on it |
| 20:17.25 | Jayce^ | sjansen, know of any interface shots? |
| 20:17.31 | levi | nick125: Thus it's less sexy. |
| 20:17.33 | Jayce^ | been looking at a few devices in this class.. |
| 20:17.59 | levi | And it doesn't appear to have built-in wifi. |
| 20:19.22 | levi | "Compatible with common JPG file formats BMP." |
| 20:25.39 | goozbach | wow! I was unregistered for a while now |
| 20:27.09 | jsmith | sjansen: Looks like an interesting box... can we put Linux on it and make it a Myth front-end? |
| 20:28.09 | sjansen | It's probably already running Linux. They mention the GPL in their docs. Don't know past that. |
| 20:31.33 | goozbach | I should post pictures of my new server installation. |
| 20:31.41 | goozbach | then you all can be jealous of me |
| 20:32.38 | bonez39 | what makes a server slow to respond? I am in CUPS....at 127.0.0.1:631...adding a new printer..and it takes forever for each screen to come up.. |
| 20:33.00 | bonez39 | I have 4 other apps running, nothing intensive....all other apps run fine...no delays....nothing bogging down |
| 20:38.17 | bonez39 | 8632 ? S 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL |
| 20:38.27 | bonez39 | does this indicate that I have ssl installed for my apache? |
| 20:40.07 | sjansen | It means it it's installed, it should be used. |
| 20:40.20 | sjansen | netstat -tulpn | grep 443 |
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| 20:43.17 | bonez39 | fyrenice:/home/scott# netstat -tulpn | grep 443 |
| 20:43.17 | bonez39 | tcp6 0 0 :::443 :::* LISTEN 8628/apache2 |
| 20:43.27 | bonez39 | that's the result...so it's listening, on port 443, correct? |
| 20:43.45 | sjansen | Oh, that's not good. |
| 20:43.47 | sjansen | Run! |
| 20:44.02 | bonez39 | what? |
| 20:44.12 | bonez39 | what .... do I have things misconfigured? |
| 20:44.13 | sjansen | Run, don't walk, your server has been infected by a brain eating worm! Run! |
| 20:44.38 | bonez39 | eh ? you're.......sc sc...scaring me.....sjansen....hehe |
| 20:44.40 | sjansen | (Everything's fine, looks like you have SSL support.) |
| 20:44.43 | bonez39 | ok |
| 20:45.09 | bonez39 | normally, I can load 'localhost:631' and up pops the CUPS interface... ... but today...it takes forever... |
| 20:45.26 | bonez39 | doesn't matter whether it's konqueror or firefox..... |
| 20:51.18 | bonez39 | hmmmm mine must be a difficult to diganose problem... |
| 20:51.23 | bonez39 | based on the silence..... |
| 20:56.47 | bonez39 | sjansen, any ideas on this? |
| 20:56.59 | ^Migs^ | it's fun to look through plaintext password files |
| 20:57.34 | sjansen | That's why I have a bunch of status indicators in my menubar. |
| 20:57.43 | ^Migs^ | Girls always seem to have passwords like "puppies10" or "paislies3" or "soccermom77" and males have passwords like "harley1" and "volvo" and "cougars" |
| 20:57.58 | redbeard1 | ~lart cougars |
| 20:58.07 | sjansen | It could be a process maxing the CPU, it could be a process doing a lot of I/O, or it could be a kernel bug. |
| 20:58.36 | ^Migs^ | it's astonishing how many people use ordinary dictionary words for their password |
| 20:58.57 | sjansen | Diagnosing the problem requires equal parts knowledge of the system and instinct. I don't think anyone feels like asking enough questions to find a conclusion. |
| 20:59.12 | ^Migs^ | or even "passw0rd" as their password |
| 21:00.09 | Tene | ^Migs^: Hey! Don't post my password to IRC! |
| 21:01.11 | ^Migs^ | it's okay, I didn't give your username out, TeneIsCOOL66 |
| 21:01.13 | ^Migs^ | oops |
| 21:01.30 | ^Migs^ | lame |
| 21:01.38 | ^Migs^ | I don't know why I even try to make jokes anymore |
| 21:02.04 | Tene | m'eh, it was decent. |
| 21:03.05 | ^Migs^ | don't lie. It was horrible. |
| 21:07.11 | Tene | redbeard1: ping |
| 21:10.03 | redbeard1 | Tene: pong |
| 21:11.04 | Tene | redbeard1: want to tell me how to do something with awstats? |
| 21:11.14 | redbeard1 | Tene: i can try, what's up? |
| 21:11.36 | Tene | Just installed awstats on this box and I have some rotated logfiles that I'd like to dump into the database. |
| 21:12.17 | redbeard1 | oh sure, ask me the one question i've been trying to figure out myself |
| 21:12.22 | Tene | Heh. |
| 21:12.31 | redbeard1 | i might still be able to help tho... what format are the filenames for those logs? |
| 21:13.21 | bonez39 | sjansen, I am thinking I'll reboot..and see how it responds then |
| 21:13.41 | bonez39 | ^Migs^, I am forever warning my wife about family names.......and birthdays... |
| 21:14.28 | dataw0lf | ^Migs^: that joke was horrible, but in a funny way. |
| 21:15.54 | Tene | redbeard1: access_log.{1-4} |
| 21:16.59 | redbeard1 | Tene: ah, so you're not necessarily keeping the old ones around for all that long |
| 21:17.12 | goozbach | Tene: teh answer is mergelogs |
| 21:17.18 | goozbach | or logmerge |
| 21:17.22 | goozbach | one of the two |
| 21:17.23 | redbeard1 | that being the case, you might want to consider that awstats has an option to delete logs for you when it's done with it |
| 21:17.38 | Tene | Yeah, I've just got some that I'd like to add to the db. |
| 21:17.39 | goozbach | it does the heavy lifting |
| 21:19.56 | redbeard1 | goozbach: what does that do (other than the heavy lifting)? |
| 21:22.53 | goozbach | merges logs |
| 21:23.00 | goozbach | in cronological order |
| 21:23.05 | goozbach | pretyt simple |
| 21:33.41 | emcnabb | I just had a classic phone conversation with a Sprint telemarketer: |
| 21:34.35 | graphyx | you call it a conversation? |
| 21:34.56 | graphyx | Is that actually possible? |
| 21:36.03 | Tene | goozbach: I don't care about the logs being merged, I just want to dump them into awstats' database |
| 21:37.00 | emcnabb | "Hi, I'm John with Sprint. I wanted to call you to try to save you some money on your bill and tell you about some new great plans we're offering." me: "No thanks, we're going to be switching from Sprint in a few weeks anyway." John: "Are you sure, we'd really like to help you out?" me: "yeah, ok. I'm paying $6 / month on your phone protection coverage, and next month you're going to $7/month. You keep on raising it. Will you please take it off of my bil |
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| 21:37.24 | SB1-Laptop | Awesome ending to that story |
| 21:37.41 | emcnabb | did you see the end? |
| 21:37.47 | emcnabb | or did it cut off there? |
| 21:38.03 | SB1-Laptop | It cut off there |
| 21:38.14 | emcnabb | ll? That will help save me money." John: "um, ok. I can do that I guess." me: "Thanks John for saving me money! When will that be removed" John: "um, sometime later |
| 21:38.24 | SB1-Laptop | lol |
| 21:38.33 | SB1-Laptop | That's so anti-climatic |
| 21:39.05 | emcnabb | I just thought it's funny how he called to sell me something and Sprint ending up losing money |
| 21:39.08 | emcnabb | that's all |
| 21:39.13 | emcnabb | wasn't trying to make your day |
| 21:43.44 | graphyx | a bash worthy quote : |
| 21:43.50 | graphyx | ""Ask yourself WHY u want to kill ANYBODY?" |
| 21:43.50 | graphyx | I asked myself this and I found the answer was because they use "u" instead of "you" and "4" instead of "for"." |
| 21:45.59 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 21:46.03 | nick125_lappy | That's funny :) |
| 21:46.34 | sjansen | graphyx: j00 r kidding, rite? |
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| 22:38.45 | bonez39 | is there anything that I can run to analyze all the services that start up....and see which ones I dont' really need? so my system will run faster, or is it just simple matter of hacking and cutting away, piece by piece? |
| 22:39.17 | elg | ha. no 3rd party apps on iPhone. why doesn't that surprise me? |
| 22:39.38 | mrpull | elg: that is a bummer. |
| 22:39.51 | levi | Figure out your boot runlevel from /etc/inittab, then look at the rc directory corresponding to that runlevel. That should tell you all the services that are started at boot. |
| 22:39.57 | mrpull | i've grown to depend on Tom Tom on my phone |
| 22:40.58 | levi | elg: What Jobs specifically said is that it's not going to be open to anyone to create apps for it. He did mention the possibility that Apple could provide other apps for it, and that they wouldn't program all of them. |
| 22:41.24 | levi | elg: I imagine it could end up kind of like the iPod games situation is now. |
| 22:41.31 | ^Migs^ | so technically, 3rd party apps WILL run on iPhone |
| 22:41.53 | findlay | ~run at iphone |
| 22:42.17 | levi | There are 3rd party games for the iPod, but you can only buy and install them through the iTunes store. |
| 22:42.36 | levi | Which gives Apple a chance to do QA and such with them. |
| 22:45.18 | ^Migs^ | I wish I could pass my tickets in my wikiTrac to "the empty void" |
| 22:45.46 | ^Migs^ | or something similarly dramatic that signifies I never have to worry about them again |
| 22:46.18 | elg | levi: i'm not familiar with the ipod games situation |
| 22:47.07 | elg | as far as ipods go, I'm only familiar enough to know I don't want one. thought I'd not reject a 40G one as a gift or something. :) |
| 22:47.15 | elg | I much prefer my usb mass storage ogg-playing samsung |
| 22:47.19 | levi | elg: Well, the newer iPods can play fancier games than the standard breakout and solitaire that came with previous ones. Apple wrote a couple, and some other companies wrote a couple too. |
| 22:47.35 | ^Migs^ | can I play World of Warcraft on my iPod? |
| 22:47.58 | ^Migs^ | or on AN iPod |
| 22:48.20 | levi | iPods are USB mass storage, too. You just have to fiddle with the music database on it to get it to recognize music. |
| 22:48.22 | dataw0lf | you're kidding, right? |
| 22:48.57 | dataw0lf | ipods are crap |
| 22:49.15 | dataw0lf | get a creative or iriver device if you want a real music player |
| 22:49.30 | synic | those little black sansa's look pretty cool |
| 22:49.32 | dataw0lf | true that, I love my old zen touch |
| 22:49.36 | levi | I like my iPod. |
| 22:49.57 | dataw0lf | levi: why? it's overpriced, and crap hardware |
| 22:50.27 | levi | dataw0lf: Overpriced perhaps, but I got it as a gift. And the hardware doesn't seem crap to me. |
| 22:50.33 | synic | http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=12881&cat=2113&page=1 <-- they look spiff. Plus, they have an FM tuner, which the ipod's don't have. |
| 22:50.34 | ^Migs^ | what's better than an iPod? |
| 22:50.41 | levi | I have one of the new iPod Nanos. |
| 22:50.45 | dataw0lf | Creative and iRiver gear |
| 22:50.49 | dataw0lf | levi: so do I. |
| 22:50.51 | dataw0lf | it's ok. |
| 22:50.55 | dataw0lf | for running and stuff. |
| 22:50.59 | findlay | I have an ipod yocto! |
| 22:51.02 | dataw0lf | the music quality is crap, though. |
| 22:51.06 | findlay | it only holds one song! |
| 22:51.10 | dataw0lf | s/music/sound |
| 22:51.18 | levi | dataw0lf: Possibly, but I couldn't tell the difference. |
| 22:51.30 | synic | findlay: :P |
| 22:51.31 | dataw0lf | I can, but I pay attention more than most people |
| 22:51.31 | levi | I am not an audiophile. |
| 22:51.34 | findlay | 2 bit @ 2 bps |
| 22:51.40 | dataw0lf | findlay: hehe |
| 22:51.48 | synic | I can only hear the crap sound quality on ipods when I fiddle with the equalizer |
| 22:51.55 | synic | anything but "normal" I can hear clear as day |
| 22:51.59 | synic | and I'm not an audophile either |
| 22:52.05 | findlay | synic: ugh! software EQ |
| 22:52.13 | dataw0lf | I clearly hear the difference between my nano and my zen |
| 22:52.23 | dataw0lf | I have excellent headphones, however |
| 22:53.00 | dataw0lf | all my songs are 192+, if you thought that was the case. |
| 22:53.12 | nick125_lappy | My zen was $40 cheaper then an equally sized ipod nano, and, it has FM radio and can view videos |
| 22:53.14 | findlay | mp3 is an ugly quality level |
| 22:53.28 | dataw0lf | True, that's why you get the iRiver and play ogg |
| 22:53.42 | findlay | just so you know I only accept flac for real stuff and ogg when necessary |
| 22:54.28 | levi | nick125: Why would you want to watch videos on a nano-sized device? |
| 22:54.42 | nick125_lappy | levi: You got a point.. |
| 22:54.46 | dataw0lf | I usually will resort to ogg for any sort of mobile music, but flac for my home audio. |
| 22:55.03 | levi | I mainly like the iPod for the convenience of the Mac/iTunes integration, especially with podcasts. |
| 22:55.15 | elg | why would you want to watch videos on an ipod-sized device either? I haven't figured that one out |
| 22:55.15 | dataw0lf | well, I hate Apple, this could be my problem ;-) |
| 22:55.40 | dataw0lf | I wouldn't touch OS X with a ten foot pole |
| 22:55.43 | elg | i hate itunes, so I know I wouldn't be keen on the itunes integration |
| 22:55.47 | ^Migs^ | the iPod is an important invention. If we could pick the top 5 inventions from the past 5000 years of human history and launched them into space as a time capsule, the iPod would be in there. |
| 22:55.56 | dataw0lf | elg: Yea, I dislike iTunes too. |
| 22:56.10 | Tene | http://youtube.com/watch?v=2REG3-Wb5gM |
| 22:56.13 | elg | i agree ^Migs^, but I'm also glad I don't have to use an iPod per se myself |
| 22:56.20 | levi | iTunes keeps me up-to-date with all the podcasts I've subscribed to, removes them from my iPod when I'm finished listening to them, etc. |
| 22:56.22 | ^Migs^ | okay, I was kidding |
| 22:56.23 | dataw0lf | there were mp3 players before the iPod |
| 22:56.26 | elg | i would modify that to say the well-marketed mp3 player |
| 22:56.29 | elg | it didn't have to be iPod |
| 22:56.30 | dataw0lf | Jobs is just a marketing genius |
| 22:56.38 | dataw0lf | don't confuse marketing skill with engineering skill |
| 22:56.52 | elg | i think mp3 players would have taken off eventually even if nobody with marketing genius stepped up |
| 22:56.58 | dataw0lf | elg: I agree. |
| 22:57.19 | ^Migs^ | I had the idea for mp3 players back in the early 90s, but I didn't have the marketing skill for it |
| 22:57.22 | dataw0lf | god, I wish I could spend an hour alone in a locked room with that b*st*rd Jobs. |
| 22:57.39 | elg | ^Migs^: or the capital, probably |
| 22:57.44 | dataw0lf | 'omg he's a geek genius' |
| 22:57.49 | levi | dataw0lf: You seem to have some strong feelings about Jobs and Apple. :P |
| 22:57.53 | ^Migs^ | I don't think he's all that smart |
| 22:57.57 | dataw0lf | everytime I hear this, I want to hit said person with a baseball bat. |
| 22:58.06 | dataw0lf | levi: you have no idea. |
| 22:58.14 | dataw0lf | Jobs is an idiot, and a horrible person. |
| 22:58.23 | dataw0lf | as is usual with marketing geniuses. |
| 22:58.49 | findlay | ~market dataw0lf |
| 22:58.56 | dataw0lf | aieeee! |
| 22:58.59 | findlay | heh |
| 22:59.13 | nick125_lappy | I about puke when I see a Jobs keynote |
| 22:59.22 | dataw0lf | I understand marketing people |
| 22:59.29 | ^Migs^ | I wish someone would take a shotgun and blow Jobs' HEAD OFF |
| 22:59.29 | nick125_lappy | I can't see how he can shovel that much BS to a bunch of people and have them eat it up. |
| 22:59.41 | dataw0lf | but the whole confusion of Jobs as a geek by potential geeks is what makes me have homicidial tendencies |
| 22:59.43 | ^Migs^ | more evil than Rosie O'Donnell |
| 23:00.10 | dataw0lf | now, I lubs the Wozniak |
| 23:00.11 | elg | i know about zero about jobs other than what I see in Joy of Tech cartoons and that made for tv movie Pirates of Silicon Valley |
| 23:00.12 | dataw0lf | who doesn't? |
| 23:00.16 | elg | and I don't think of him as a geek |
| 23:00.26 | dataw0lf | elg: too many do, though. |
| 23:00.27 | elg | just a head of a company that makes stuff geeks tend to like |
| 23:00.45 | ^Migs^ | but you DO hate him, right elg? |
| 23:00.48 | levi | Anyone who thinks Jobs is a geek is not very observant. |
| 23:00.49 | dataw0lf | no, the thing about Jobs is, he makes things that makes the average consumer convert to geekism |
| 23:00.52 | dataw0lf | he doesn't convert geeks |
| 23:00.53 | levi | Or perhaps not very smart. |
| 23:00.55 | nick125_lappy | dataw0lf: Didn't Jobs screw over Wozniak? |
| 23:01.03 | dataw0lf | nick125_lappy: Totally. |
| 23:01.41 | elg | although it's hard to feel sorry for Woz. He did alright, he does alright, he's totally happy and does what he loves |
| 23:01.47 | dataw0lf | elg: true |
| 23:01.49 | dataw0lf | I agree |
| 23:02.04 | dataw0lf | Woz followed his geek instincts |
| 23:02.09 | dataw0lf | got away from Jobs :)\ |
| 23:02.42 | nick125_lappy | Hmm...this Lost Planet multiplayer map is 75MB long.. |
| 23:02.50 | dataw0lf | nick125_lappy: what game? |
| 23:02.50 | levi | Jobs was always the 'vision man', and clean, elegant products need someone that believes in the vision and keeps the committees at bay. |
| 23:03.05 | dataw0lf | levi: sure, but he screwed his developers over, again, and again |
| 23:03.21 | dataw0lf | Jobs kept Apple alive, don't get me wrong |
| 23:03.25 | nick125_lappy | dataw0lf: Lost Planet for the 360 |
| 23:03.28 | dataw0lf | but I think the world is worse for that fact. |
| 23:03.32 | levi | I'm not saying he's a nice guy. |
| 23:03.59 | nick125_lappy | And the cat is climbing in the dresser drawer... |
| 23:04.09 | dataw0lf | well, the thing is, I think anyone who complains about Microsoft this and Microsoft that and supports Apple is laughably stupid |
| 23:04.33 | ^Migs^ | I hate when I get a little sloppy here and there with some of my code, and then all the little sloppinesses somehow merge together and create one giant mass of sloppiness that comes back to bite me in the butt |
| 23:04.36 | levi | dataw0lf: Depends on what grounds they complain about Microsoft. |
| 23:04.58 | dataw0lf | levi: Well, most people who complain about Microsoft are usually just sheep who have some vague idea why they're 'bad' |
| 23:05.09 | dataw0lf | 'OMG their products suck' |
| 23:05.13 | ^Migs^ | do you have any evidence to support that, dataw0lf? |
| 23:05.19 | dataw0lf | excuse me, sir, but Visual Studio is the greatest IDE ever made |
| 23:05.29 | ^Migs^ | no, Eclipse |
| 23:05.33 | dataw0lf | Eclipse? |
| 23:05.33 | nick125_lappy | dataw0lf: No, it's not. Nano is. |
| 23:05.34 | dataw0lf | hahaha |
| 23:05.36 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 23:05.37 | dataw0lf | ha |
| 23:05.38 | ^Migs^ | hahalol |
| 23:05.41 | dataw0lf | nick125_lappy: nano? |
| 23:05.42 | levi | dataw0lf: I think that's probably your personal preference. |
| 23:05.47 | ^Migs^ | no way, WebLogic Workshop |
| 23:05.47 | dataw0lf | This isn't #fedora |
| 23:05.54 | ^Migs^ | yeah who cares about nano? |
| 23:06.02 | nick125_lappy | I like nano, it's simple |
| 23:06.09 | nick125_lappy | and it does what I need it to |
| 23:06.10 | ^Migs^ | I prefer Zend Studio myself |
| 23:06.17 | dataw0lf | levi: I'm pretty sure anyone who uses Visual Studio in any sort of serious environment will agree with me |
| 23:06.23 | dataw0lf | Borland Builder had it going for a whle |
| 23:06.25 | dataw0lf | while* |
| 23:06.28 | dataw0lf | but they got killed |
| 23:06.45 | dataw0lf | I mean, for most of my dev, I use vim |
| 23:06.49 | nick125_lappy | I've tried to use things such as Eclipse, but, I found they mainly got in the way instead of making me more "productive". |
| 23:06.52 | ^Migs^ | that's dumb |
| 23:06.59 | ^Migs^ | I never understand why you Linux freaks insist on using vim |
| 23:07.03 | levi | I used Visual Studio for a bit, and although it wasn't too bad, I had some issues with it. But I do admit I didn't use it very long, so I might like it better if I did. |
| 23:07.08 | dataw0lf | but, dude, for C/C++ dev, and C# of course, Visual Studio takes the cake easily. |
| 23:07.17 | ^Migs^ | it's so ridiculously ungraphical |
| 23:07.23 | bonez39 | I have my windows machine named 'seth'... and i have file sharing enable on it....but if I run mount /sethc to mount it... it says I am trying to mount some site in canada.... |
| 23:07.25 | dataw0lf | I wish they had a Visual Studio for Linux, cuz I'd be all over it |
| 23:07.29 | ^Migs^ | I use GEDIT |
| 23:07.48 | dataw0lf | ^Migs^: you're kidding right? |
| 23:07.51 | bonez39 | this despite the fact that my /etc/hosts has a line '10.0.0.6 sethc' .. and 10.0.0.6 is indeed the IP assigned to 'seth'.. |
| 23:08.10 | dataw0lf | if it wasn't for the Visual Studio vim plugin, I'd still be typing %s/blah/blah2/ on every line |
| 23:08.54 | dataw0lf | vim's flexibility and popularity makes it excellent for your average sys admin / hacker programmer |
| 23:09.07 | dataw0lf | which is what most people on Linux are. Or aspire to be. |
| 23:09.11 | findlay | heh, that's nothing |
| 23:09.15 | findlay | I use ed! |
| 23:09.30 | dataw0lf | don't make me `cut` you, findlay |
| 23:09.54 | findlay | actually I use cat and cut and head and grep and sed, etc.! |
| 23:10.04 | dataw0lf | omg u r 1337 |
| 23:10.12 | levi | Anyway, Visual Studio is probably the best IDE for writing C# or C++ Windows software. I wouldn't call it the greatest IDE ever, though. |
| 23:10.14 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 23:10.20 | dataw0lf | levi: What would be, then? |
| 23:10.23 | ^Migs^ | what is the greatest IDE then? |
| 23:10.24 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 23:10.29 | dataw0lf | don't say emacs, or I will never talk to you ever again. |
| 23:10.39 | findlay | fmacs! |
| 23:10.39 | nick125_lappy | I actually used to use emacs. |
| 23:10.41 | Tene | ^Migs^ is... weird. I still suspect that he's just trying to troll most of the time, but I'm not quite sure. |
| 23:10.43 | levi | Hah. I don't consider emacs an IDE, though I am a fan of emacs. |
| 23:10.51 | dataw0lf | I consider it an OS |
| 23:11.07 | nick125_lappy | dataw0lf: OS on an OS |
| 23:11.11 | ^Migs^ | Tene: People aren't so dualistic. I'm not either trolling or not trolling. I'm being "offbeat." |
| 23:11.30 | sjansen | I consider it a religion^? cult. |
| 23:11.32 | levi | I don't have enough experience with IDEs to declare one the best ever. |
| 23:11.40 | Tene | I'd more say "awkwardly annoying", but whatever |
| 23:11.48 | ^Migs^ | right |
| 23:11.52 | nick125_lappy | I guess its personal opinion on the "best" IDE |
| 23:12.00 | dataw0lf | well, best is relative, to be sure. |
| 23:12.20 | dataw0lf | But, I've used just about every popular IDE out there, and every popular editor out there, and Visual Studio is an excellent product. |
| 23:12.22 | ^Migs^ | Migs: superhuman? or just amazing? |
| 23:12.37 | dataw0lf | So the people who say that Microsoft can't produce a good product are full of crap |
| 23:12.52 | levi | Sure, Microsoft definitely has some cool products and does some cool things. |
| 23:13.04 | levi | I'm not a blind Microsoft hater by any means. |
| 23:13.06 | ^Migs^ | I've never used Visual Studio, so I can't comment. Actually, I still can, but I won't. |
| 23:13.16 | ^Migs^ | nobody will CLAIM to be blind Microsoft hater |
| 23:13.24 | ^Migs^ | or admit to it |
| 23:13.41 | levi | Well, I actually sometimes talk about the Microsoft stuff that I like, or defend them in discussions. |
| 23:14.13 | dataw0lf | levi: I do it all the time |
| 23:14.24 | dataw0lf | because stuff like 'Microsucks', etc, pisses me off |
| 23:14.25 | ^Migs^ | you know what I like? Microsoft Visual Earth |
| 23:14.34 | atoponce | how do you "cd" in perl? this is probably easy, but my mind is pulling a blank |
| 23:14.34 | dataw0lf | because it's usually said with no basis whatsoever |
| 23:14.51 | Tene | chdir |
| 23:14.52 | dataw0lf | cwd() of some sort, I assume |
| 23:15.17 | atoponce | Tene: thx |
| 23:15.24 | Tene | atoponce: np |
| 23:15.51 | dataw0lf | ^Migs^: aren't you a Java developer? |
| 23:16.00 | dataw0lf | Yet you seem to be quite the MS hater |
| 23:16.04 | dataw0lf | C# > Java |
| 23:16.55 | nick125_lappy | dataw0lf: That expression isn't really true. |
| 23:16.59 | dataw0lf | Really? |
| 23:17.01 | nick125_lappy | C# == Java |
| 23:17.04 | sjansen | CLR > JVM |
| 23:17.04 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 23:17.11 | dataw0lf | sjansen: indeed. |
| 23:17.15 | dataw0lf | and C# > Java |
| 23:17.22 | nick125_lappy | Actually, C# has a MS logo on it, instead of a Sun Microsystems logo. |
| 23:17.37 | dataw0lf | yes, but the language ITSELF is significantly better than Java |
| 23:17.38 | levi | nick125_lappy: Clearly you aren't very familiar with recent developments in C# and Java. |
| 23:17.48 | dataw0lf | in pretty much any sense you measure it |
| 23:18.07 | elg | wow. look at the last comment. http://hans.fugal.net/typo/articles/2006/06/07/openser-and-mediaproxy |
| 23:18.14 | elg | hover over the name and see the link |
| 23:18.29 | nick125_lappy | Haha.. |
| 23:18.29 | elg | it's comment spam that is all but indistinguishable from sentience |
| 23:18.37 | levi | Huh. |
| 23:18.41 | nick125_lappy | And the first one too, elg |
| 23:18.56 | levi | elg: Heh, you replied to spam! |
| 23:18.57 | elg | absolutely. I was had on the first comment |
| 23:19.00 | dataw0lf | sexmovies?! |
| 23:19.18 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 23:19.24 | levi | elg: That's pretty wild. |
| 23:19.24 | elg | not from my site please. :) |
| 23:20.50 | nick125_lappy | I've never figured out OpenSER...maybe I should someday.. |
| 23:21.09 | elg | nick125_lappy: yeah, looks like the flickr plugin bitrotted |
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| 23:26.25 | ^Migs^ | Java > * |
| 23:29.12 | findlay | good night |
| 23:29.17 | findlay | everyone |
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