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| 00:32.29 | bonez39 | anyone running athlon 64 .. I am running that, though with xppro running.. Ican't figure out why I can't install debian on my drive... |
| 00:34.02 | Tene | I'm running on a 64-bit amd chip |
| 00:36.18 | bonez39 | Tene you mentioned that before..I finally found Partition Magic, cleard about 5 gig at front of the drive....for boot/root etc......still I toss in the disc, boot up and still can't get the installer to see my drive or the various partitions |
| 00:36.38 | Tene | That's really weird. |
| 00:38.56 | bonez39 | yeah....I went to the amd 64 .. site..on debian.org..and downloaded a recent sarge iso..burned it..and the iso disc boots up..and lists all the various installation stuff.....but I can't find any network drivers yet for my airnet awd154 wireless card....nor can it see the drive to partition or format is to ext3....or 2 or whatever |
| 00:41.02 | bonez39 | I have installed debian a zillion times..and it's never behaved this way before...... |
| 01:32.55 | bonez39 | Tene so, what iso did you burn, to create the disc you successfully installed? |
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| 03:35.36 | Tene | bonez39: I'm using FC, not debian |
| 04:48.47 | goozbach | punkbuster |
| 05:29.23 | levi_home | Good evening. |
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| 06:55.17 | vontrapp | happy new year! |
| 06:55.35 | vontrapp | ok, not quite yet |
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| 07:01.44 | Supaplex | there went last year. |
| 07:05.37 | levi_home | Happy new year! |
| 07:11.09 | bonez39 | Happy new Year.... |
| 07:16.57 | Supaplex | but I'm dreaming of a happy GNU year |
| 07:18.47 | nick125_lappy | 00:04 <nick125_lappy> Is gentoo 2007.0 released yet? |
| 07:19.08 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 07:19.49 | nick125_lappy | I was lighting up some fireworks tonight, and, I had like 5 left. I wanted to play the 1812 overture while I was lighting them :P |
| 07:21.30 | Supaplex | 00:20 < Supaplex> so, it's 2007 and etch is ready now? |
| 07:33.06 | bonez39 | Tene still up? |
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| 14:42.40 | redbeard2 | happy new year all ya'll |
| 14:42.57 | atoponce | happy gnu year |
| 14:43.07 | redbeard2 | that too |
| 14:45.41 | redbeard2 | atoponce: i'm not totally with you on #6 |
| 14:46.29 | redbeard2 | but i guess i've never been big on eye candy anyway |
| 14:46.59 | atoponce | yeah. i'm not an eye candy guy |
| 14:47.13 | redbeard2 | but i guess it's important to some people |
| 14:47.30 | atoponce | frankly, i could care less, BUT, mac has us beat hands down |
| 14:47.49 | atoponce | linux can get there, only with tons of downloads, configs, tweaking and hacking |
| 14:47.50 | redbeard2 | it's true |
| 14:48.13 | redbeard2 | yeah, and that i think is the actual problem, which is covered elsewhere on your list |
| 14:48.45 | atoponce | yup. there's just *too* *many* ways to get the same job done. |
| 14:49.10 | atoponce | while i like the choices available, it's also *very* frustrating |
| 14:49.16 | redbeard2 | i don't think it's a problem of there being too many ways... i think it's a problem of there being too many steps |
| 14:49.25 | redbeard2 | and few of them are intuitive |
| 14:49.49 | atoponce | linux still is a hobbyist os for the desktop |
| 14:50.03 | atoponce | i still think it has a way to go before becoming "mainstream" |
| 14:50.21 | redbeard2 | yeah |
| 14:51.03 | atoponce | but... i'm a hobbyist, and i enjoy it |
| 14:51.54 | redbeard2 | it's not so much that i'm a hobbyist... it's more that most of the things that i do are faster and easier for me to do in linux |
| 14:52.37 | redbeard2 | i still use the command line a _lot_, and windows just doesn't make it easy |
| 14:53.00 | redbeard2 | but for me, it's often faster on the command line in linux to do something than with the mouse in either linux or windows |
| 14:53.02 | atoponce | for me, it's philisophical, as it is for many others. i don't want proprietary software when my data is concerned |
| 14:54.16 | redbeard2 | i don't mind the proprietary software so much... in fact, there are still two big programs that i miss in linux, that i still borrow my wife's win98 notebook for sometimes |
| 14:54.36 | atoponce | as selfish as it is, i don't want to have to trust the dev. i want to be able to look at the code, and know my data is ok |
| 14:55.10 | atoponce | with that said, i never do, but i want it as on option, as it means others are |
| 14:57.02 | atoponce | plus, as the other top 10 list, i don't want to feel like a criminal using the os, even when i'm not |
| 14:57.02 | redbeard2 | just out of curiosity, if you were to look at the code, what would be a red flag that your data was not okay? |
| 14:57.05 | atoponce | hmmm |
| 14:57.47 | atoponce | probably seeing that it's being sent to a central server, or some malware toying with it under the hood |
| 14:58.27 | atoponce | there are tools to catch that sort of thing, sure, but does the average joe know about them? |
| 14:59.22 | atoponce | take online banking for example, like quicken. how does my dad know that quicken isn't sending his account info to a quicken database? |
| 14:59.51 | atoponce | you have to have a level of trust with proprietary software right out of the box, and that can be scary |
| 15:00.05 | redbeard2 | fair enough |
| 15:00.41 | atoponce | but, with that said, there are tools to catch that sort of thing, like wireshark, and such, and i'm sure someone *would* catch it fairly quickly |
| 15:00.47 | atoponce | so that example could be a bad one |
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| 15:06.59 | redbeard2 | is fedora legacy different from fedora core? |
| 15:16.19 | nick125_lappy | fedora legacy is the project backporting security patches to old fedora releases |
| 15:18.51 | redbeard2 | gotcha |
| 15:19.05 | redbeard2 | and apparently it's going away |
| 15:23.13 | redbeard2 | http://www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=440344 |
| 15:35.50 | atoponce | very nice |
| 15:36.46 | atoponce | it's amazing how uniform it is |
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| 17:55.47 | Sargun | Hppy new year. |
| 17:57.11 | goozbach | redbeard2: where'd you hear legacy is going away? |
| 18:03.43 | redbeard2 | http://fedoranews.org/cms/node/2320 |
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| 18:27.25 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 18:27.30 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> Channel for OSS discussion | See http://www.plug.org/node/28 | PHP workshop hosted by OALUG & UPHPU Jan 27 in Ogden- Watch http://groups.google.com/group/oalug for details | Happy New Years |
| 18:27.34 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> Channel for OSS discussion | See http://www.plug.org/node/28 | PHP workshop hosted by OALUG & UPHPU Jan 27 in Ogden- Watch http://groups.google.com/group/oalug for details | Happy New Year |
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| 21:23.34 | tristanbob | I just blogged about the Fedora Legacy Project shutting down: http://useopensource.blogspot.com/ |
| 21:30.57 | tensai | redbeard2: I picked up some cream and chocolate. happy ganache day! |
| 21:57.50 | emcnabb | tristanbob: I'm surprised you didn't mention CentOS in your blog article |
| 21:58.13 | emcnabb | if someone wants a free, long term solution that's the way to go |
| 21:58.44 | emcnabb | that's the main force behind Fedora-legacy going away |
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| 22:14.08 | tristanbob | emcnabb: really? I have used centos before, but I don't see why it affected fedora |
| 22:14.33 | tristanbob | is it because anyone who wanted long-term support was probably a server, and centos is better for servers? |
| 22:23.09 | emcnabb | tristanbob: that's part of it |
| 22:23.56 | emcnabb | you can run CentOS on a desktop too, there's nothing stopping you |
| 22:24.35 | emcnabb | with Dag's, atrms, repos, etc, there's not much it can't do |
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| 23:41.39 | jbellis | is there an option to find that only prints files, not directory names? |
| 23:48.46 | goozbach | jbellis: check the man page for -type |
| 23:49.06 | jbellis | thanks goozbach |
| 23:49.33 | goozbach | you want something like find . -name foo ! -type d |
| 23:49.53 | goozbach | it's just a not within the tests |
| 23:50.13 | jbellis | right |
| 23:50.14 | Tene | or -type f, depending on the exact behavior you want |
| 23:50.20 | Tene | if you want symlinks, devices, etc. |
| 23:51.01 | goozbach | I'm going off what he said: "not directories" |
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| 23:51.17 | goozbach | reguardless the test you want is -type |