| 00:07.04 | Tene | http://search.cpan.org/~jzucker/DBD-AnyData-0.08/AnyData.pm |
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| 01:52.55 | findlay | so I have this wierd problem |
| 01:53.14 | findlay | I went to reboot this computer and now it won't boot up at all |
| 01:53.51 | findlay | I tried everything, removing the agp, pci cards, and ram and it still won't boot |
| 02:08.46 | Tene | yay |
| 02:08.53 | Tene | tried checking power supply? |
| 02:09.31 | findlay | I tried it with my roomate's power supply and that didn't fix it |
| 02:09.48 | Tene | tried checking if your power supply works elsewhere? |
| 02:09.55 | Tene | could be fried mobo or processor |
| 02:10.14 | findlay | probably |
| 02:17.05 | findlay | Tene: so you don't have an old socket 939 laying around would you? (-: |
| 02:17.42 | Tene | I think I have a few. |
| 02:18.03 | Tene | I have a few of some socket type... I remember the number was a palindrome... |
| 02:20.09 | findlay | do you have them where you can look right away? |
| 02:20.33 | Tene | I don't. |
| 02:20.43 | Tene | Wait... maybe I still have one here at home... |
| 02:20.45 | Tene | I'll check. |
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| 02:26.29 | Tene | findlay: fairly certain that I have a few out at my office. |
| 02:26.43 | Tene | Where are you? |
| 02:27.03 | findlay | Provo, but I could meet you somewhere |
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| 02:27.45 | Tene | You wanting this tonight? |
| 02:28.00 | findlay | within the next few days would be ideal |
| 02:29.29 | Tene | I can probably stop by my office tomorrow. |
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| 02:36.00 | findlay | Tene: so is it going to be possible? |
| 02:38.50 | Tene | Sure. Unsure if I'll have my car back from being repaired tomorrow or not. |
| 02:39.09 | findlay | heh, I'll fix your car if you fix my computer |
| 02:39.56 | Tene | Got any spare transmissions lying around? |
| 02:39.56 | findlay | one |
| 02:40.05 | findlay | that I worked on |
| 02:40.08 | Tene | For a Ford Explorer? |
| 02:40.29 | findlay | it's for a subaru GL, but, hey, you could make it work |
| 02:41.48 | findlay | so you have a 939 MB at work. How much do you want for it? |
| 02:43.01 | Tene | No idea. |
| 02:43.50 | findlay | well, when is the earliest feasible time I could get it from you? |
| 02:47.52 | Tene | Tomorrow? |
| 02:48.02 | findlay | what time? |
| 02:48.04 | Tene | Well... |
| 02:48.09 | Tene | tonight, if you wanted |
| 02:48.38 | findlay | what time tonight? |
| 02:49.35 | Tene | Now works for me. |
| 02:49.50 | Tene | I'd have to go out there to confirm first. |
| 02:50.01 | findlay | how long would that take? |
| 02:50.34 | Tene | 15 minutes or so. |
| 02:51.40 | findlay | ok, if you're up to it then let me know what you find out |
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| 03:12.00 | Tene | findlay: I was wrong. |
| 03:12.46 | Tene | I have a few socket 462 boards |
| 03:12.58 | Tene | and a pile of pga370s |
| 03:13.05 | Tene | no 939s |
| 03:13.20 | findlay | darn |
| 03:13.25 | findlay | thanks for looking |
| 03:14.09 | Tene | np |
| 03:16.03 | graphyx | isn't 939 still currently architecture for AMD's stuff? |
| 03:19.26 | findlay | yes |
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| 04:06.43 | Tene | So how can I pass '#' as a url parameter? |
| 04:08.19 | Tene | Ahh, ther it is |
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| 04:39.41 | Sargun | redbeard2, Hey, you still alive by any remote chance? |
| 04:51.40 | redbeard2 | hey Sargun |
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| 05:04.54 | tensai | redbeard2: mm. the ganache looks yummy. |
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| 05:40.11 | Sargun | redbeard2, What's up? |
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| 07:24.54 | Tene | xlsqbq |
| 07:25.02 | Tene | s/.*// |
| 07:25.16 | Tene | s/s/*/g |
| 07:25.32 | Tene | s/.*/ / |
| 07:31.23 | calvarez | mm, is that perl? |
| 07:31.33 | Tene | it's regex |
| 07:31.56 | Tene | s/regex/A GIANT MONSTER THAT'S GOING TO EAT YOU ONO!!!/ |
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| 07:33.04 | calvarez | is ibot written in perl? |
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| 07:34.02 | Tene | probably |
| 07:34.04 | Tene | ibot: ibot |
| 07:34.07 | ibot | from memory, ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 07:39.48 | calvarez | indeed, PHP kills kittens |
| 07:39.54 | calvarez | please think of the poor kittens |
| 07:40.10 | calvarez | use Python instead of PHP or Perl |
| 07:45.43 | Tene | perl upgrades kittens to robo-cyborg kittens that can frolic at 130x efficiency. |
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| 13:30.32 | redbeard2 | ping Sargun |
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| 15:10.08 | goozbach | geek pickup line of the day: "I wish I was a derritive, so I could lie tangent to your curves" |
| 15:24.30 | maquis | goozbach: derivative? |
| 15:27.49 | atoponce | it's getting a *little* annoying |
| 15:40.56 | goozbach | perl |
| 15:41.17 | goozbach | hmm the sweet sweaty kinda awkard embrace of perl |
| 15:45.06 | atoponce | ~hug goozbach |
| 15:45.09 | ibot | ACTION hugs goozbach tightly until goozbach turns slightly blue |
| 15:47.14 | goozbach | nice! |
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| 15:52.51 | goozbach | maquis: that's what I said |
| 15:53.39 | dataw0lf | he just mumbled |
| 15:55.45 | goozbach | bmremfsdatawolf |
| 15:55.57 | goozbach | brnplacttothground |
| 15:56.07 | goozbach | I made cake! |
| 15:56.11 | goozbach | but good! |
| 15:57.04 | maquis | goozbach: does your making cake have anything to do with burning the place to the ground? |
| 15:57.10 | maquis | because if so, i'm kind-of scared |
| 15:57.23 | maquis | (well... if not, i'm kind-of scared too... so i guess it doesn't matter that much) |
| 16:00.33 | goozbach | maquis: you've never seen office space I take it |
| 16:00.47 | maquis | goozbach: i don't watch much of anything :) |
| 16:00.58 | goozbach | I know |
| 16:06.00 | atoponce | i think someone has my red stapler |
| 16:06.48 | dataw0lf | Swingline stapler |
| 16:07.55 | dataw0lf | andyesiwontbeleavinatipcuzicould..icouldshutthiswholeresortdown. sir? illtakemytravelerscheckstoacompetingresort. icouldwritealettertoyourboardoftourismandicouldhavethisplacecondemned. icouldput..icouldput..strychnineintheguacamole. therewassaltontheglass,BIGgrainsofsalt. |
| 16:09.21 | dataw0lf | I lied. Um... all that stuff I said about being a crack head? It just helps me sell magazines. I'm actually an unemployed... software engineer. |
| 16:09.39 | atoponce | lol |
| 16:10.17 | dataw0lf | the soundtrack to that movie rocks. |
| 16:11.04 | maquis | i don't know what weather.com is talking about when it says it's "mostly sunny"... |
| 16:11.45 | dataw0lf | I think "mostly sunny" means that it's almost all the way sunny, but not quite. |
| 16:12.03 | atoponce | what am I gonna do with 40 subscriptions to vibe? |
| 16:13.08 | atoponce | the ratio of people to cake is too big |
| 16:13.11 | dataw0lf | "You know, the nazis had pieces of flair that they made the jews wear." |
| 16:13.30 | maquis | dataw0lf: sure... but i don't see anything but gray outside my window |
| 16:13.33 | goozbach | oops |
| 16:13.39 | goozbach | I got datawolf started |
| 16:13.48 | dataw0lf | :-) |
| 16:14.01 | goozbach | pc load letter?! |
| 16:14.15 | dataw0lf | "What the **** does that mean??" |
| 16:14.25 | atoponce | uh-oh. sounds like someone's got a case of the mondays! |
| 16:15.01 | dataw0lf | Let me ask you something. When you come in on Monday, and you're not feelin' real well, does anyone ever say to you, 'Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays'? |
| 16:15.30 | dataw0lf | No. No, man. ****, no man. I believe you'd get your *** kicked for sayin' something like that, man. |
| 16:15.55 | atoponce | Oh, oh, and I almost forgot. Ahh, I'm also gonna need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday, too... |
| 16:16.26 | dataw0lf | mheath is probably recovering in the hospital from a bad case of WUSSINESS. |
| 16:16.44 | emcnabb | rofl |
| 16:17.13 | atoponce | but I kept my Swingline stapler because it didn't bind up as much, and I kept the staples for the Swingline stapler and it's not okay because if they take my stapler then I'll set the building on fire... |
| 16:20.50 | dataw0lf | I watch it every couple weeks. |
| 16:22.24 | maquis | my $var = `command` should set $var to the output of command, right? |
| 16:22.42 | maquis | (sorry... perl newbie) |
| 16:23.31 | atoponce | are those back ticks? |
| 16:23.53 | maquis | atoponce: yeah.. .they're the ones that share a key with ~ |
| 16:23.54 | maquis | :) |
| 16:24.25 | tensai | my favorite. "you've been missing a lot of work lately". "I wouldn't say I've been 'missing' it, Bob". |
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| 16:26.16 | atoponce | maquis: yeah. it should |
| 16:26.28 | dataw0lf | maquis: correct, backticks execute the command and return stdout |
| 16:27.06 | maquis | hmmm.. |
| 16:27.07 | maquis | ok |
| 16:27.26 | atoponce | what's the command your trying to execute? |
| 16:27.43 | maquis | atoponce: it's just a command that returns one line of output... |
| 16:27.55 | dataw0lf | I always use chop(), too |
| 16:28.17 | dataw0lf | chop($var = `command`); |
| 16:28.30 | levi | Morning. |
| 16:28.34 | maquis | i'm trying to pull it out and then print out "var is $var", and it's printing out "var is" |
| 16:28.45 | dataw0lf | levi: g'morning |
| 16:29.07 | levi | Overturned cement truck on the road to work today. :/ |
| 16:29.13 | dataw0lf | dang. |
| 16:29.16 | goozbach | ohh that'd be cool! |
| 16:29.20 | dataw0lf | did anyone run into cement? |
| 16:29.23 | levi | Had to go to the next exit and backtrack, since the road was cut off. |
| 16:29.25 | goozbach | churning and churning |
| 16:29.41 | levi | dataw0lf: I dunno, but the lifeflight helicopter was there. |
| 16:29.44 | goozbach | there's be frozen burritos everywhere |
| 16:30.06 | maquis | did anyone see pictures of the semi that fell through the road in portland (i think it was tuesday?) |
| 16:30.08 | dataw0lf | levi: wow, wonder if the cement truck hit somebody. |
| 16:30.13 | dataw0lf | that would be noooo good. |
| 16:30.18 | levi | Yeah. |
| 16:30.37 | levi | The road was REALLY slick. I just about drove into a curb thanks to the stupid antilock brakes. |
| 16:31.05 | levi | "Oh, the road is a little slick, so I'm not going to let you brake AT ALL!" |
| 16:31.24 | dataw0lf | maquis: negative. |
| 16:31.29 | levi | Or so it feels, at least. |
| 16:38.32 | tensai | http://stores.ebay.com/officespaceawards |
| 16:39.44 | tensai | maquis: http://www.spokesmanreview.com/local/story.asp?ID=166177 |
| 16:39.49 | goozbach | I recall my previous comment |
| 16:39.57 | tensai | wow |
| 16:40.16 | goozbach | making fun of someone injured to the point lifeflight was called is un-called for |
| 16:41.16 | goozbach | tensai: you have to register for that story? |
| 16:41.42 | tensai | goozbach: no. I guess if you link from google it doesn't prompt you |
| 16:41.55 | tensai | http://www.komotv.com/news/5014157.html |
| 16:41.58 | tensai | try that one |
| 16:42.21 | dataw0lf | http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex/index_cookie.shtml |
| 16:43.02 | maquis | tensai: yeah... that's the story i saw |
| 16:43.08 | maquis | i saw the pictures on tv |
| 16:43.41 | goozbach | dataw0lf: SFW? |
| 16:44.37 | goozbach | if not, please make it known |
| 16:45.58 | dataw0lf | it's SFW |
| 16:46.06 | dataw0lf | woulda said otherwise if it wasn't. |
| 16:47.41 | goozbach | Just checking, the url leads to beleive otherwise |
| 16:48.49 | dataw0lf | it's a pretty cool link. |
| 16:54.24 | dataw0lf | so my little brother put a rattlesnake in with my king snake while I was at work yesterday. |
| 16:55.12 | maquis | dataw0lf: which one won? |
| 16:55.25 | dataw0lf | my king snake |
| 16:55.42 | maquis | cool |
| 16:55.43 | dataw0lf | i celebrated after beating my little brother up. |
| 16:56.25 | dataw0lf | I mean, I'd told him there wasn't any way I was going to let it happen. But, jeez, if you're going to come into my place and do it any way, at least video it for me. |
| 16:56.27 | maquis | perl -e 'print ((`command` eq "bar")?"a":"b")' |
| 16:57.05 | maquis | oh |
| 16:57.06 | maquis | nm |
| 16:57.10 | maquis | i needed \n |
| 16:59.52 | dataw0lf | Cesar Millan is awesome. |
| 16:59.57 | maquis | well... that's part of the problem, at least |
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| 17:17.01 | graphyx | the cable has to be plugged into the monitor and the computer. |
| 17:17.38 | QBFreak | I was thinking more on a pin-by-pin basis |
| 17:17.52 | QBFreak | but thats what I get for being unclear :) |
| 17:18.26 | QBFreak | it can detect when I've attached it to a video card, even if the card is not connected to anything |
| 17:19.07 | dataw0lf | what type of connector? |
| 17:19.08 | goozbach | I'm sure there's an RFC out there somewhere defining it |
| 17:19.33 | QBFreak | High-density DSub 15 |
| 17:20.41 | QBFreak | the pinouts didn't show anything obvious |
| 17:21.40 | QBFreak | aha, my tests were too quick for it, ground pin 5 |
| 17:22.00 | graphyx | why? |
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| 17:23.35 | jbellis | does compusa or someone like that have any laptops that don't suck? the lcd on my thinkpad just started flickering this morning and it's rapidly getting worse |
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| 17:24.03 | QBFreak | jbellis: if its just the backlight its not a terribly hard fix (if you can find an inverter) |
| 17:24.19 | mrpull | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:24.49 | QBFreak | I believe we're out of thinkpad inverters ATM |
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| 17:25.08 | QBFreak | graphyx: because I wanted to know, and it was going to bug me until I figured it out :) |
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| 17:26.26 | graphyx | I see. |
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| 17:31.20 | ^Migs^ | has anyone played this game before? http://www.poxnora.com |
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| 17:31.35 | QBFreak | if I have the connector in my parts junk I'll build a terminator just because |
| 17:31.41 | Hhhhh | hrllo |
| 17:31.53 | dataw0lf | oh Windows. You defy me yet again. |
| 17:31.58 | QBFreak | heh |
| 17:32.09 | QBFreak | whats it doing now? |
| 17:32.20 | graphyx | ^Migs^: Looks like fun |
| 17:32.37 | dataw0lf | QBFreak: Being it's ridiculously unstable self. |
| 17:33.15 | QBFreak | it does that |
| 17:34.20 | dataw0lf | no, no, seriously, Windows, I want you to look HERE not THERE. |
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| 17:50.26 | ^Migs^ | yeah, it does look like fun. Im' thinking of trying it tonight, but wanted to know if anyone could vouch for it. |
| 17:57.13 | calvarez | what is it? |
| 17:57.46 | calvarez | ^Migs^, what are you trying tonight, Python? |
| 18:00.04 | ^Migs^ | no, poxnora |
| 18:00.14 | ^Migs^ | http://www.poxnora.com |
| 18:00.20 | ^Migs^ | why would anyone want to try Python? |
| 18:01.04 | nick125_lappy | Because Python is awesome? |
| 18:03.36 | atoponce | Monty Python? |
| 18:06.51 | dataw0lf | because Python makes me weep in gratitude? |
| 18:08.06 | emcnabb | speaking of Monty Python, I finally got a copy of "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" for Christmas, and also the entire "Fawlty Towers" collection |
| 18:08.38 | emcnabb | I love Fawlty Towers |
| 18:08.44 | levi | ^Migs^: calvarez only loves Python so much because he's used to C++. |
| 18:09.07 | atoponce | "what are you doing now?" "averting our eyes dear lord" "well don't. it's just like those miserable psalms, always so depressing. now knock it off!" |
| 18:09.22 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 18:09.23 | calvarez | no, but actually because I tried Scheme and PHP and none of them is appropriate for the wide array of things I want to do with it. |
| 18:09.34 | calvarez | C++ would do the job, but it would take too much development time |
| 18:09.40 | dataw0lf | way to test all the waters. |
| 18:09.40 | calvarez | python is just *perfect* |
| 18:09.44 | atoponce | "every time i try to talk to someone it's 'sorry this' and 'forgive me that' and 'i'm not worthy'... |
| 18:11.34 | levi | calvarez: Not that I think it would make a big difference, but which Scheme did you try? |
| 18:11.35 | [phoenyx] | calvarez: perfect? as in flawless?! |
| 18:11.52 | atoponce | "Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. " |
| 18:12.43 | atoponce | "Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you." |
| 18:13.09 | atoponce | "Oh but if I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away." |
| 18:13.16 | nick125_lappy | Ugh, I hate these Actiontec pieces of junk |
| 18:13.58 | [phoenyx] | atoponce: "Ah! NOW ... we see the violence inherent in the system." |
| 18:14.26 | atoponce | "help! help! i'm being repressed!" |
| 18:14.59 | atoponce | "bloody peasant" |
| 18:15.16 | [phoenyx] | "Oh, Did you hear that! What a give-away." |
| 18:15.24 | goozbach | "she turned me into a newt!" |
| 18:15.34 | goozbach | "... I got better" |
| 18:16.07 | QBFreak | its a 3Ghz, and this 500Mhz is out performing it for some reason |
| 18:16.17 | QBFreak | CPU usage and page file usage remain low |
| 18:16.24 | QBFreak | I think its disk related |
| 18:17.00 | atoponce | "look you stupid *******, you've got no arms left" "yes i have" "LOOK!" "it's just a flesh wound" |
| 18:18.10 | [phoenyx] | I'm invicible!! |
| 18:19.10 | fungus | Backdoor Sluts 9 ??? |
| 18:19.36 | atoponce | uhhh.... not *quite* what i had in mind... |
| 18:20.06 | atoponce | sweet. which ones? |
| 18:20.33 | QBFreak | The Sixth Sense, The Village, and Lady In The Water |
| 18:21.39 | QBFreak | I didn't care as much for Signs or Unbreakable, although the plot idea in Unbreakable was pretty cool |
| 18:22.13 | QBFreak | I also got Season 4 of the X-Files, my collection is slowly growing :) |
| 18:22.18 | atoponce | i liked unbreakable, although it is my least favorite of his. i just like the idea behind it. |
| 18:22.50 | maquis | i got "not one less" and "the king of masks" for christmas... |
| 18:23.03 | maquis | they're really good |
| 18:23.16 | atoponce | so far, i've just seen 'a view to a kill' |
| 18:23.22 | atoponce | 19 more to go... :) |
| 18:23.48 | atoponce | maquis: haven't heard of either one.... pretty good, eh? |
| 18:23.57 | maquis | atoponce: i like chinese movies :) |
| 18:24.25 | atoponce | martial arts? |
| 18:24.30 | maquis | atoponce: nope |
| 18:24.38 | maquis | atoponce: check out "To Live" while you're there too |
| 18:24.45 | maquis | it's also really good |
| 18:25.10 | maquis | (to live == huozhe) |
| 18:25.36 | atoponce | hmmm |
| 18:25.43 | atoponce | king of masks looks good... |
| 18:25.53 | maquis | it is |
| 18:26.23 | calvarez | [phoenyx], as in perfect for my needs and the needs of most programmers |
| 18:26.32 | calvarez | that's why people should switch to Python |
| 18:26.45 | calvarez | in general (allowing some exceptions, of course, such as non-serious programming) |
| 18:33.42 | goozbach | wow! |
| 18:36.04 | [phoenyx] | so if you want fun programming you use something else, but serious programming should be done in python :) |
| 18:43.07 | goozbach | cool! |
| 18:43.34 | goozbach | GL275 mentioned in the spamassassin wiki |
| 18:43.44 | goozbach | good job gurus :) |
| 18:44.59 | goozbach | doh! submitted by dax kelson. |
| 18:45.24 | goozbach | so it's only kinda cool |
| 18:45.28 | goozbach | :) |
| 18:45.45 | graphyx | whats GL275? |
| 18:46.02 | goozbach | http://www.gurulabs.com/training/GL275-Enterprise_Linux_Network_Services.php |
| 18:47.08 | graphyx | I see... |
| 18:47.24 | graphyx | did you put in a <shameless plug> tag in the article? |
| 18:48.47 | maquis | calvarez: so, what you're saying is that, if you're doing anything serious, python is the perfect language... that's kind-of interesting because i happen to know of a lot of companies who have looked at it as an option, and turned it down because other languages were better |
| 18:50.11 | calvarez | maquis, of course, companies who have a CTO with an BA in finance and an MBA |
| 18:50.16 | calvarez | ;) |
| 18:50.25 | maquis | calvarez: how about companies that actually let the programmers do the evaluation |
| 18:50.35 | maquis | calvarez: i'm not talking about clueless companies here |
| 18:50.53 | herlo | has anyone in here ever used red/open carpet from ximian and novell? |
| 18:51.39 | herlo | I am working on setting up a repository/service for it and can't seem to find any good documentation on how to actually configure the repo/service |
| 18:52.39 | herlo | opencarpet.org seems to not be up anymore...and otherwise I'd probably be on my way already |
| 18:54.41 | goozbach | I didn't do it |
| 18:55.22 | herlo | goozbach: looks like opencarpet.org is equal to ftp.gwdg.de now, so looking there.... |
| 18:59.29 | goozbach | herlo: I was refering to graphyx's comment but ok |
| 19:00.20 | graphyx | goozbach: fair enough. But you could put it in. Thus you are guilty cause you didn't alter it. ... |
| 19:00.21 | graphyx | j/k |
| 19:00.30 | graphyx | a sin of omissino |
| 19:00.35 | calvarez | maquis, then those programmers are newbies |
| 19:01.36 | atoponce | calvarez: just because a programmer doesn't use python, means that he/she is a newbie |
| 19:02.01 | dataw0lf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.11 | graphyx | I was wonder that same thing.. |
| 19:02.55 | atoponce | calvarez: i would appreciate it, as i am sure the rest of the channel would agree, if you quit trolling the channel with your pro-python anti-everything else attitude. |
| 19:03.01 | levi | calvarez: And you've known python for what, two weeks now? |
| 19:04.01 | maquis | calvarez: i would have a lot of trouble believing that a whole ton of extremely experienced programmers who are way above me in ability are newbies... |
| 19:04.07 | calvarez | atoponce, I didn't say that |
| 19:04.21 | calvarez | levi, yea, 2 weeks |
| 19:04.41 | maquis | honestly, i tend to assume that i'm the newbie, compared to people who've been programming for years longer than me... |
| 19:04.46 | levi | Well, that puts everything into perspective. |
| 19:04.48 | maquis | but i guess you can think whatever you want |
| 19:04.57 | herlo | goozbach: you need to say who then, geez :) |
| 19:04.58 | calvarez | nah, length of time doesn't necessqarily equal experience |
| 19:05.04 | calvarez | I know plenty of sloppy programmers |
| 19:05.06 | maquis | calvarez: ok... so, what does? |
| 19:05.12 | calvarez | who have been programming for a long time |
| 19:05.12 | maquis | liking python == experience? |
| 19:05.16 | calvarez | nah |
| 19:05.24 | dataw0lf | calvarez: you're really embarassing us Python advocates with your ridiculously, intentionally stupid arguments. |
| 19:05.25 | maquis | calvarez: what does, then? |
| 19:05.43 | calvarez | maquis, there is no word in English to describe it |
| 19:05.50 | maquis | calvarez: use spanish |
| 19:05.56 | calvarez | there is none in Spanish either |
| 19:05.59 | atoponce | calvarez: python is *an* option, but so are many others. saying python is better than _____, irregardless, is just naive |
| 19:06.21 | calvarez | lol, man you guys are so serious |
| 19:06.24 | calvarez | can't have some fun |
| 19:06.26 | calvarez | :p |
| 19:06.29 | dataw0lf | atoponce: Well, not necessarily. He's just trolling people with bad arguments. |
| 19:06.30 | graphyx | herlo: That's amuzing |
| 19:06.51 | levi | So is using the nonstandard word 'irregardless'. |
| 19:07.05 | maquis | calvarez: saying that somebody is a newbie because they don't like your favorite language is one of the stupides things i've ever heard someone say (and leads me to believe that that person must be a true newbie because they can't believe that something else might be a reasonable option) |
| 19:07.24 | atoponce | calvarez: just curious, how old are you? 17? 18? |
| 19:07.43 | calvarez | lol, you guys need to chill out |
| 19:08.02 | dataw0lf | do you really think those are his real arguments for Python, atoponce? |
| 19:08.07 | dataw0lf | You're just feeding his amusement. |
| 19:08.09 | levi | calvarez: You wouldn't think it was 'fun' if no one pretended to take it seriously. |
| 19:08.11 | maquis | calvarez: actually, you just need to stop being a troll |
| 19:08.35 | maquis | if you want to troll, do it someplace else |
| 19:08.44 | calvarez | levi, wrong, ^Migs^ usually just plays along, keeps his cool and it's fun to ping-pong like that for a while |
| 19:08.46 | calvarez | meh |
| 19:08.52 | atoponce | dataw0lf: i'm just fed up with it. php kill kittens / perl is lame / you're not a programmer unless you use python / etc |
| 19:09.03 | atoponce | i had to say something |
| 19:09.03 | dataw0lf | I think it's kinda funny. |
| 19:09.04 | calvarez | well, tough, ain't it? |
| 19:09.21 | atoponce | calvarez: no, annoying |
| 19:09.26 | maquis | calvarez: it's annoying |
| 19:09.28 | goozbach | atoponce: feel free to ignore him |
| 19:09.31 | calvarez | well, the internet can be anooying, true |
| 19:09.33 | calvarez | meh |
| 19:09.49 | goozbach | I still think that perl is better |
| 19:09.54 | dataw0lf | really, you guys were just trolling him back into arguments. |
| 19:09.59 | dataw0lf | goozbach: Nevar! |
| 19:10.09 | goozbach | python kills kittens, use mod_bf |
| 19:10.28 | dataw0lf | Pythons do kill kittens.. so true. |
| 19:10.34 | graphyx | lol |
| 19:10.39 | bertbob | any language that needs a special keyboard is obviously the best. Long live APL |
| 19:10.44 | dataw0lf | of course, Perl looks like that 'world's ugliest dog', so I guess we're even. |
| 19:11.03 | goozbach | dataw0lf: just watch out for the bite |
| 19:11.07 | goozbach | it'll get you |
| 19:11.12 | dataw0lf | I know, that's why I run away. |
| 19:11.16 | levi | APL is awesome, for at least one valid definition of awesome. ;) |
| 19:11.32 | dataw0lf | tis all about WS |
| 19:11.47 | goozbach | I still think that real men program in BF |
| 19:11.49 | dataw0lf | I feel so 1337 when programming WS, I can actually feel the Gibson being hax0red. |
| 19:11.59 | dataw0lf | in my bones. |
| 19:12.06 | goozbach | +++++++>>>>>>++++++>>>-->>++<>>>>>+ |
| 19:12.17 | levi | WS and BF were created as toy languages, though. APL was serious. |
| 19:12.20 | dataw0lf | psh, BF is nothang. |
| 19:12.30 | dataw0lf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.31 | dataw0lf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.33 | dataw0lf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.40 | dataw0lf | ^- just hax0red the Gibson. |
| 19:12.43 | maquis | nah... real programmers use shakespeare |
| 19:14.06 | atoponce | are there any languages that do not use the english langage for keywords, etc? |
| 19:14.22 | dataw0lf | we had a discussion about this and the merits of avoiding English. |
| 19:14.30 | levi | atoponce: APL uses greek symbols. |
| 19:14.51 | atoponce | levi: interesting. |
| 19:15.05 | bertbob | along with various boxes, arrows, and other operators |
| 19:15.19 | synic | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d2/APL_keyboard.gif |
| 19:15.25 | atoponce | how about chinese characters, or russian? or heck, even spanish? |
| 19:15.56 | levi | atoponce: The point of the APL characters is that they already have significance in math notations. |
| 19:16.05 | [phoenyx] | "If you put a million monkeys at a million keyboards, one of them will eventually write a Java program. The rest of them will write Perl programs." |
| 19:16.27 | maquis | [phoenyx]: very true |
| 19:17.02 | atoponce | levi: interesting. can *all* math symbols be represented, or just those pictured? |
| 19:17.22 | levi | atoponce: I don't really know. |
| 19:18.00 | dataw0lf | anyone know if there's a way to modify the LOAD DATA statement used in phpmyadmin to import CSV/text files? |
| 19:19.44 | atoponce | dataw0lf: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/load-data.html |
| 19:20.21 | atoponce | not sure if that's what you're looking for |
| 19:20.23 | graphyx | [phoenyx]: lol |
| 19:21.11 | graphyx | wow.. p2p on utopianet ROCKS!!!! |
| 19:21.11 | graphyx | Downloading a VM session of backtrack. |
| 19:21.14 | graphyx | completely legit of course. |
| 19:21.21 | graphyx | my share ratio is 1.2 |
| 19:21.55 | atoponce | load data infile 'file.csv' into 'tablename' fields terminated by ',' enlosed by '"' lines terminated by '\r\n' |
| 19:21.59 | dataw0lf | atoponce: No, I need to be able to modify the LOAD DATA statement used specifically in phpmyadmin for that function, don't need the syntax. |
| 19:22.27 | atoponce | oh, i see. |
| 19:25.13 | dataw0lf | man phpmyadmin is just terrible, I hate this thing. |
| 19:25.46 | atoponce | dataw0lf: have you tried mysql query browser? |
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| 19:27.28 | dataw0lf | I don't use phpmyadmin, I'm just patching it for my jr devs. |
| 19:30.08 | Lone_Wanderer | You just use the shell? |
| 19:31.55 | dataw0lf | most of the time, yea. |
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| 19:36.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Cool. |
| 19:36.49 | Lone_Wanderer | That means you're a Real Man. And stuff. |
| 19:37.29 | maquis | i think i tried using phpmyadmin once or twice |
| 19:37.48 | maquis | and i had phppgadmin once too |
| 19:37.56 | maquis | and then i discovered it was more annoying than just doing it all manually |
| 19:38.18 | Lone_Wanderer | apparently you're a Real Man as well ;) |
| 19:38.26 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: that's a scary idea :) |
| 19:38.58 | Lone_Wanderer | You know, when I said that to DW, I was actually thinking about you being here and what the implications of saying it would be and cetera. |
| 19:39.05 | maquis | :) |
| 19:39.40 | Lone_Wanderer | But I decided that trying to work all of that out would be futile so I went ahead and said it :p |
| 19:39.43 | maquis | i really don't mind it at all... but i'm generally laid-back about that stuff... |
| 19:46.13 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 19:51.58 | levi | I think it would be fun to see maquis take a day acting like a militant feminist. |
| 19:54.02 | maquis | levi: probably wouldn't work out that well |
| 19:54.18 | levi | Oh well. |
| 19:54.33 | levi | Many things I think it would be fun to see probably wouldn't work out that well. |
| 19:54.53 | QBFreak | like this PC falling from a skyscaper |
| 19:55.02 | QBFreak | customers never like it when you do that... |
| 19:57.58 | QBFreak | "I'm sorry sir, your computer was hit by a truck." "Well how did that happen?" "It fell off the overpass..." |
| 19:58.57 | maquis | lol |
| 19:59.21 | QBFreak | its a nice short walk from here, carrying a PC that far isn't so bad... |
| 20:00.14 | maquis | "i'm sorry sir, your computer's case has some pretty ugly dents in its side... that might be why it's not working" "but the dents weren't there when i dropped it off" "uh... well.. they might have something to do with the baseball bats we keep in the back room..." |
| 20:01.27 | QBFreak | heh |
| 20:01.38 | QBFreak | when I worked at the pizza place, the manager had a bat and I had a traffic cone, most nights we would fill all the soda bottles we could find with soda water and hit them off the cone |
| 20:01.45 | QBFreak | it was a wonderful stress reliever |
| 20:02.08 | QBFreak | something satisfying about hitting a 20oz bottle so hard the bottom blows out |
| 20:07.18 | goozbach | even better is burning a hole 6" deep in the asphalt outside |
| 20:10.47 | atoponce | ok. i need some perl help, if anyone is avail |
| 20:11.40 | Lone_Wanderer | I used to be a deliverator for Papa Johns |
| 20:11.49 | Lone_Wanderer | That was quite possibly the best job ever. |
| 20:13.00 | goozbach | atoponce: let er rip |
| 20:14.39 | Tene | atoponce: we're listening. |
| 20:14.44 | Tene | atoponce: we hear *everything* |
| 20:14.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Driving around south Minneapolis, bringing people pizza, looking at the fall leaves. |
| 20:14.58 | atoponce | goozbach: i need to append a field to the end of a csv file, and populate that fielt based on the data from other fields |
| 20:15.23 | Lone_Wanderer | And my manager would make breadsticks every day in the morning and we'd eat them and talk about whether the bread was good that day or not. |
| 20:15.44 | Lone_Wanderer | "Not sweet enough today. I'll have to leave the dough out an extra hour tonight." |
| 20:16.47 | atoponce | the csv file has 200+ fields, so i think split() would be optimal for csv, but can i assign just certain fields to vars, rather than all with split()? |
| 20:17.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Isn't there a csv-handling library in cpan somewhere? |
| 20:18.18 | Lone_Wanderer | And when you say that you're appending a field, does that mean that you're just sticking something onto the end of a single line, or are you adding a whole new line? |
| 20:18.20 | atoponce | ($field22, $field44, $field45) = split(/,/ ....) |
| 20:18.51 | atoponce | Lone_Wanderer: adding data to the end of each line. creating a new field |
| 20:18.59 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh ok |
| 20:19.22 | atoponce | can that be done with my bad code above? |
| 20:19.37 | Lone_Wanderer | So you just have to add a new field to the end of every line? |
| 20:19.42 | atoponce | (for getting data from certain fields) |
| 20:20.04 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm not a perl monger but it looks right to me. |
| 20:20.04 | atoponce | Lone_Wanderer: yeah, and populate that data based on the data in other fields |
| 20:20.41 | Lone_Wanderer | ahhh, so you can't just go through the file appending something blindly to every line |
| 20:21.33 | atoponce | no. i have to look at about 7 specific fields out of the 200+ first, and determine what to write |
| 20:22.00 | atoponce | hmmm |
| 20:22.45 | atoponce | @fields = split(/,/,$_); |
| 20:22.47 | atoponce | then |
| 20:22.55 | Lone_Wanderer | PHP is my language of choice, and it's got native functions to deal with CSV files. |
| 20:23.08 | atoponce | $field22 = $fields[21]; |
| 20:23.16 | atoponce | that would work, no? |
| 20:24.25 | redbeard2 | ~seen Sargun |
| 20:24.46 | ibot | sargun is currently on #utah (2d 4h 31m 13s). Has said a total of 67 messages. Is idling for 14h 44m 35s, last said: 'redbeard2, What's up?'. |
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| 20:26.37 | Tene | http://search.cpan.org/~jzucker/AnyData-0.10/AnyData.pm |
| 20:26.47 | Tene | is one option for handling CSV |
| 20:31.57 | QBFreak | Lone_Wanderer: I loved it, but it is nice not to have to change my oil every couple of weeks |
| 20:32.09 | Lone_Wanderer | eh? |
| 20:32.22 | ^Migs^ | IAW Lone_Wanderer re PHP |
| 20:32.41 | ^Migs^ | one of the reasons PHP is so awesome is that it has TONS of native support for stuff |
| 20:32.42 | Lone_Wanderer | IAW? oil change? |
| 20:32.44 | Tene | "IAW"? |
| 20:32.47 | ^Migs^ | I Agree With |
| 20:32.50 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 20:32.51 | ^Migs^ | seriously, come on |
| 20:32.58 | Lone_Wanderer | and what does PHP have to do with changing your oil? |
| 20:32.59 | ^Migs^ | it's common chat lingo |
| 20:33.15 | Lone_Wanderer | Sure, sure. ;) |
| 20:33.23 | Tene | I've never seen it before. |
| 20:33.46 | Lone_Wanderer | I was thinking IANAL, only... different. |
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| 20:34.51 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 20:35.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Speaking of spammers |
| 20:35.45 | Lone_Wanderer | when people talk about charging money for sending email |
| 20:35.53 | Lone_Wanderer | wouldn't that be kind of impossible to enforce? |
| 20:41.53 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 20:42.04 | ^Migs^ | what's that web site that makes spammers pay to reach you? |
| 20:42.15 | ^Migs^ | I signed up for it, and earn 50 cents minimum whenever someone emails me |
| 20:42.37 | ^Migs^ | uh, in theory |
| 20:42.49 | ^Migs^ | oh, boxbe |
| 20:45.18 | maquis | ^Migs^: really? |
| 20:45.59 | maquis | that's a good deal |
| 20:46.29 | maquis | judging from my gmail account's spam filter, with something like that, i could get $850/month |
| 20:48.30 | maquis | ^Migs^: does it work? |
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| 20:49.16 | ^Migs^ | in theory, it does. I haven't even checked it yet. |
| 20:49.31 | ^Migs^ | you specify how much money you think your inbox is worth, and you can change it whenever you want |
| 20:49.39 | ^Migs^ | you can go up to $100 |
| 20:50.04 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 20:50.16 | maquis | do you have to give them a list of "ok" email addresses to receive from? |
| 20:55.19 | levi | Well, I assume most of the spammers just don't pay for access to boxbe users. |
| 20:56.35 | QBFreak | but hey, if that cuts spam down... |
| 20:56.38 | atoponce | ok. i give up. why isn't chomp($_); working? i don't want \n at the end of each line. driving me nuts |
| 20:58.08 | levi | QBFreak: Well, the net effect would be similar to whitelisting. |
| 20:58.16 | QBFreak | true |
| 20:58.34 | QBFreak | and I'd miss out on all my phishing messages, those are always fun to play with |
| 20:58.47 | levi | Which certainly eliminates most of your spam, but also likely a lot of emails you'd actually want to receive. |
| 21:00.41 | atoponce | print OUT $_ . ",\"weight\"\n"; # not working as expected |
| 21:00.56 | atoponce | as well as |
| 21:01.26 | atoponce | print OUT $_ . ",\"" . $weight . "\"\n"; # printing the data i want to write to the end |
| 21:04.44 | atoponce | here's my code: http://pastebin.ca/294807 |
| 21:05.33 | tensai | redbeard2: what would you do with 5 ounces of brie? |
| 21:07.54 | goozbach | make a chupaqueso |
| 21:08.09 | goozbach | get some cheddar and make a chupaqueso |
| 21:08.41 | atoponce | it's printing "weight" and it's data on a new line, rather than appending it at the end as it should be |
| 21:09.46 | atoponce | hmmm. does chomp() chomp line feeds AND carriage returns? i think that may be my problem |
| 21:10.29 | bertbob | if it's a 5 oz round (uncut) wrap it in puff paste and bake it off |
| 21:14.00 | QBFreak | atoponce: the docs aren't clear, but I think it only removes one at a time |
| 21:14.06 | QBFreak | from what I remember |
| 21:14.19 | atoponce | maybe call it twice? |
| 21:14.46 | atoponce | nope |
| 21:14.54 | QBFreak | try stabbing it? |
| 21:16.15 | tensai | goozbach: that looks decadent |
| 21:16.47 | tensai | bertbob: it's a 5oz wedge |
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| 21:55.07 | maquis | tensai: if i knew you had 5 oz of brie, i'd suggest that you give it to me |
| 21:55.21 | tensai | maquis: come and get it |
| 21:55.38 | maquis | ~steal tensai's brie |
| 21:55.39 | ibot | ACTION grabs tensai's brie and gives it to maquis |
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| 22:06.52 | atoponce | ~lart atoponce |
| 22:07.30 | atoponce | s/\r\n//g; # is all i needed to remove both the carriage return and the line feed |
| 22:07.44 | atoponce | grrrr.... |
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| 22:08.41 | atoponce | only problem now, is i am getting "Use of uninitialized value in string eq at ./weight.pl line 68, <IN> line #." where # = line # |
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| 22:08.54 | atoponce | what's up with that? anyone mind helping me there? |
| 22:09.44 | atoponce | http://pastebin.ca/294877 |
| 22:10.10 | atoponce | it's not uninitialized, so i don't know what's going on... |
| 22:11.01 | dataw0lf | found your problem atoponce |
| 22:11.11 | atoponce | what is it? |
| 22:11.15 | dataw0lf | #!/usr/bin/perl -w |
| 22:11.19 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 22:11.22 | atoponce | heh |
| 22:11.22 | dataw0lf | couldn't resist, sorry. |
| 22:11.29 | dataw0lf | let me take a looksie |
| 22:11.33 | atoponce | ~lart dataw0lf |
| 22:13.00 | dataw0lf | sure fields[182] contains something? |
| 22:13.15 | atoponce | yeah. checked and double-checked |
| 22:13.49 | atoponce | basically, at every if(), perl is complaining that the var in there is not initialized, yet the output file comees out okay... |
| 22:13.57 | atoponce | with the correct data |
| 22:15.15 | dataw0lf | does defined() fail? |
| 22:15.31 | atoponce | not only line 68, but 28, 32, 36, 40, 44, 48, 52, 56, 60, 64 & 68 |
| 22:16.13 | atoponce | dataw0lf: what do you mean? |
| 22:17.19 | dataw0lf | you're missing a semicolon on the print statement at line 73 |
| 22:17.53 | levi | Darned semicolons. |
| 22:18.08 | atoponce | odd. probably from the transfer to pastebin |
| 22:18.52 | levi | Sometimes when I'm writing perl, my brain thinks its writing one of the other languages I've been using lately that doesn't require terminating everything with a semicolon. |
| 22:19.18 | dataw0lf | yea, going from Perl, C, or PHP to Python kills me. |
| 22:19.27 | dataw0lf | I start twitching with freedom! |
| 22:19.37 | levi | Heh. :) |
| 22:19.39 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 22:20.34 | levi | OCaml syntax is actually pretty similar to the alphanumeric portion of perl's syntax, but requires almost no semicolons when written in a functional style. |
| 22:20.38 | atoponce | any ideas why i'm getting the uninitialized value issue? data is there... |
| 22:21.18 | Tene | There are a lot of places in perl where semicolons are optional. |
| 22:21.27 | atoponce | wait, got it... |
| 22:21.33 | levi | And F# requires even fewer semicolons. |
| 22:22.16 | atoponce | hah! blasted \r\n. those are going to be the death of me, i just know it |
| 22:23.36 | levi | Tene: In OCaml, they are actually a sort of conjunctive operator which tells the language to evaluate both expressions but only return the right hand side value. |
| 22:23.53 | *** part/#utah utahcon (n=dragen@ns1.nextstat.com) |
| 22:24.17 | levi | Tene: Which can be initially confusing when coming from a language that treats them as a statement terminator. |
| 22:24.45 | Tene | Heh. |
| 22:25.01 | atoponce | i hate this project... |
| 22:27.04 | mrpull | does anybody have any DirecTiVo's they are looking to get rid of? |
| 22:27.29 | atoponce | column GA in OOo Calc is column #183, right? 267*7+1=183 |
| 22:28.04 | atoponce | s/267/26/ |
| 22:28.37 | Tene | s/./*/g |
| 22:54.08 | maquis | *grumble* |
| 22:57.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Clever :p |
| 23:06.34 | tensai | quote of the day: |
| 23:06.37 | tensai | I opened up my internet explorer about 5 minutes ago and the porn is back!! Ahhhh!! Help!! |
| 23:19.55 | maquis | tensai: wow... that's quite the quote |
| 23:21.15 | tensai | she's been having problems with porn showing up on her computer. we're really not sure how. |
| 23:21.23 | tensai | it always causes a good email thread though |
| 23:23.31 | levi | Heh. |
| 23:23.45 | levi | Is this someone who takes a laptop home or something? |
| 23:24.28 | whilst | heh heh |
| 23:26.38 | Supaplex | no, they just sleep with it. |
| 23:26.49 | whilst | ho ho |
| 23:30.00 | tensai | I think it's a desktop |
| 23:30.15 | tensai | she's not in my office so I'm not certain of the details |
| 23:30.39 | levi | I recall hearing a similar story recently from someone who took a laptop home and let a kid use it for 'homework' or something. |
| 23:32.36 | maquis | levi: that was on thedailywtf.com |
| 23:32.46 | levi | Ahh, yeah. |
| 23:32.53 | maquis | :) |
| 23:34.30 | *** part/#utah [phoenyx] (n=tthorley@64.147.152.13) |
| 23:54.38 | QBFreak | all this time I thought I had lost my nickserv password, but now I discover I've already identified |
