| 00:01.04 | levi | What is Tipping Point? |
| 00:02.21 | tensai | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TippingPoint |
| 00:02.36 | tensai | ~wiki tippingpoint |
| 00:08.40 | Tene | some company that makes routers with confusing web interfaces. |
| 00:10.59 | findlay | right, that's it. The internet is just '.' |
| 00:11.24 | findlay | who knew the information glut could fit into a single, diminuitive character |
| 00:11.33 | findlay | punctuation at that |
| 00:19.18 | findlay | what's a good terminal-enclosed cd player? |
| 00:19.37 | findlay | mplayer's CD playing functionality leaves me desiring |
| 00:21.50 | Tene | cdplay, I think |
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| 00:39.23 | maquis | free cake? |
| 00:39.27 | maquis | i want some! |
| 00:39.58 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
| 00:40.01 | macnewbold | ~brownie |
| 00:40.13 | ibot | it has been said that cookie is n. A handle, transaction ID, or other token of agreement between cooperating programs. "I give him a packet, he gives me back a cookie." The claim check you get from a dry-cleaning shop is a perfect mundane example of a cookie; the only thing it's useful for is to relate a later transaction to this one (so you get the same clothes ... |
| 00:40.14 | macnewbold | ~cake |
| 00:40.15 | ibot | somebody said cake was all gone :( |
| 00:41.10 | maquis | off the hook is actually pretty cool |
| 00:41.17 | maquis | ~cookie |
| 00:41.30 | maquis | ibot_: that was boring |
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| 00:51.12 | Sargun | Anyone here been to San Francisco Ballet |
| 01:02.57 | findlay | Sargun: Richard Feynman |
| 01:03.23 | findlay | I heard BW was as good, but don't judge them by their site |
| 01:03.38 | findlay | because it's 100% flash |
| 01:04.47 | findlay | let me take this opportunity to give good counsel. Whatever you do, don't let your ballerinas design your website |
| 01:07.10 | Sargun | hahaha |
| 01:08.40 | findlay | here is the infamous site: http://www.balletwest.org/ |
| 01:09.14 | findlay | wait a second, I see no flash ... |
| 01:09.57 | findlay | http://web.archive.org/web/20060501054557/http://www.balletwest.org/index.html |
| 01:10.06 | findlay | try that one, hehe |
| 01:12.05 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 01:12.08 | ibot | pong |
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| 01:19.02 | findlay | ~pong |
| 01:19.04 | ibot | hmm... pong is ping |
| 01:24.17 | Sargun | mrpull-, why are you doing this??!?! |
| 01:24.27 | mrpull- | not my computer |
| 01:24.39 | mrpull- | for a man that needs training wheels |
| 01:30.12 | findlay | start him up with something wholesome like telnet or netcat or something |
| 01:30.32 | mrpull- | it's too late. he (and his wife) are aol dependant |
| 01:31.07 | findlay | well you can at least hand him a livecd and show him the virtues of nmap (-: |
| 01:31.15 | mrpull- | i'm installing the latest version. even that is probably going to cause problems. |
| 01:31.54 | mrpull- | oh geeze... the new AOL interface is bragging about the "dynasizer" |
| 01:32.04 | mrpull- | it is a movable frame! |
| 01:32.12 | nick125_lappy | dynasizer? HAAH |
| 01:32.12 | findlay | haha |
| 01:32.20 | mrpull- | this is horrible |
| 01:34.18 | mrpull- | good lord. this is truly awful. |
| 01:35.19 | mrpull- | what a terrible interface. |
| 01:36.02 | mrpull- | http://free.aol.com/thenewaol/openride/ |
| 01:36.26 | mrpull- | BTW fellas, you don't have to be an AOL member to use this great piece of software. |
| 01:36.34 | nick125_lappy | oh god |
| 01:38.15 | nick125_lappy | mrpull-: can I hit you for using the word AOL and great in the same sentence that doesn't contain NOT? |
| 01:38.22 | findlay | wow, that is so sweet |
| 01:38.45 | findlay | imagine I said that QOL user style |
| 01:38.50 | findlay | s/Q/a/ |
| 01:39.00 | findlay | s/a/whatever/ |
| 01:39.21 | findlay | s/a/whatever/g |
| 01:39.26 | findlay | heh |
| 01:39.50 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 01:50.40 | Tene | findlay: nmap runs on windows. |
| 01:52.43 | mrpull- | i'm trying out LogMeIn Free. It is a pretty decent product. |
| 01:52.54 | mrpull- | it seems to work pretty well so far. |
| 01:55.32 | emcnabb | maquis: so we ordered a lot of stuff from Amazon this Christmas, and several things we ordered came but were never charged to our credit card |
| 01:55.35 | emcnabb | maquis: thanks! |
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| 02:56.40 | maquis | emcnabb: really? |
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| 05:33.10 | atoponce | perl, python, php or ruby for converting dbf tables? |
| 05:33.34 | mrpull- | atoponce: the one you understand the most :) |
| 05:34.24 | atoponce | no argument there. :) just wondering which one to implement for work. it will be static, and never change |
| 05:34.34 | atoponce | i hear python has good dbf handling... |
| 05:35.06 | mrpull- | atoponce: honestly I don't know. choose what your coworkers know best and pawn it off on them. |
| 05:35.46 | mrpull- | what are you converting the data to? |
| 05:35.46 | atoponce | :) |
| 05:35.50 | atoponce | mysql |
| 05:36.05 | atoponce | csv would probably be the most convenient though, to start |
| 05:36.22 | mrpull- | do any of the mysql front ends have an import feature? |
| 05:37.18 | atoponce | not for dbf |
| 05:37.32 | atoponce | so i need to write an in-house utility |
| 05:37.52 | atoponce | i figure write a general all purpose one time script, and be done with it |
| 05:37.53 | atoponce | :) |
| 05:44.04 | spr | ~lart alcaltel |
| 05:44.11 | spr | ~whaleslap alcaltel |
| 05:44.16 | ibot | ACTION beats alcaltel upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 05:44.47 | spr | s/alcaltel/alcatel/ |
| 06:03.42 | mrpull- | atoponce: a search of sourceforge reveals that others have had similar requests |
| 06:10.44 | atoponce | checking them out... |
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| 06:25.51 | findlay | emcnabb: don't you know you're robbing maquis of her bread and butter? |
| 06:26.31 | findlay | atoponce: I'd search cpan too |
| 06:34.15 | atoponce | i saw the XBase perl module. looks promising |
| 06:47.01 | findlay | somebody say something funny so I can laugh before I go to bed |
| 06:49.56 | Tene | atoponce: http://search.cpan.org/~clotho/CAM-DBF-1.02/bin/dbf2csv |
| 06:50.29 | Sargun | ~lart findlay |
| 07:01.45 | findlay | ~shoot Sargun and kittys |
| 07:01.46 | ibot | ACTION shoots Sargun and kittys in the foot with a phase pistol! |
| 07:01.56 | findlay | ~kill kittys |
| 07:01.58 | ibot | ACTION shoots a inverse graviton gun at kittys |
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| 07:02.09 | findlay | that ought to take em |
| 07:02.23 | Sargun | heh |
| 07:15.57 | Supaplex | kitty flambe! |
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| 08:49.09 | Sargun | flambe! |
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| 10:58.55 | Sargun | hey maquis |
| 10:59.00 | Sargun | What keeps you up tonight? |
| 10:59.09 | Sargun | or did you decided to wake up early |
| 10:59.32 | Sargun | I mean hey maquis-fiance |
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| 13:55.18 | goozbach | GOOD MORNING #utah |
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| 14:17.09 | redbeard1 | i wonder what it's like to have squirrels living inside your skull |
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| 14:26.33 | goozbach | redbeard1: kinda like chewing on magna water |
| 14:26.36 | goozbach | but worse |
| 14:29.18 | goozbach | a foot of snow and still going! |
| 14:29.25 | goozbach | it's gonna be a GREAT christmas |
| 14:29.36 | goozbach | even Vegas is supposed to get snow |
| 14:29.39 | goozbach | YAY! |
| 14:29.57 | graphy1 | I didn't want to hear that. |
| 14:30.25 | graphy1 | Does that mean that Price Canyon should be avoided? |
| 14:30.57 | goozbach | graphy1: I don't know |
| 14:31.05 | goozbach | this is in southern Utah |
| 14:31.06 | graphy1 | anyone? |
| 14:31.14 | goozbach | around Cedar City/Beaver |
| 14:31.39 | elg | graphy1: once the storm has passed and they've had a chance to plow, it should be fine |
| 14:31.50 | elg | it would be less wise to drive through there in the middle of a storm though |
| 14:32.37 | graphy1 | I was planning on driving through Utah going through moab. price, etc |
| 14:32.37 | graphy1 | We will be going through there on Friday. |
| 14:32.37 | elg | i think it's supposed to be past by then |
| 14:32.43 | graphy1 | Any idea on the outlook? |
| 14:32.43 | elg | the storm is headed our way, supposed to hit us tonight |
| 14:32.50 | elg | and be clear by thurs |
| 14:32.56 | graphy1 | that is good to know. |
| 14:32.58 | elg | which is when we're going up (coincidentally) |
| 14:33.33 | elg | http://www.goes.noaa.gov/ECIR4.html |
| 14:33.44 | elg | as you can see it's mostly past utah already. just a little straggler |
| 14:35.55 | elg | see also http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/warnings.php?wfo=slc&zone=UTZ004&pil=XXXHWOSLC&productType=HAZARDOUS%20WEATHER%20OUTLOOK and http://www.crh.noaa.gov/showsigwx.php?warnzone=UTZ012&warncounty=UTC007&local_place1=Price&product1=Hazardous+Weather+Outlook |
| 14:36.19 | graphy1 | so it looks like we will be getting a bit of rain. |
| 14:36.26 | elg | and if you like maps, here's another |
| 14:36.26 | elg | http://www.goes.noaa.gov/WCIR4.html |
| 14:37.23 | graphy1 | good to know. |
| 14:37.25 | graphy1 | thanks |
| 14:45.11 | elg | man I'm hungry |
| 14:45.15 | elg | I must be unsick |
| 14:49.40 | elg | -lart vontrapp_ |
| 14:49.55 | elg | testing? |
| 14:50.05 | elg | what kind of lart is that you hunk o' bits? |
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| 15:03.04 | redbeard1 | ~lart goozbach |
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| 15:59.11 | maquis_ | when did maquis leave? |
| 15:59.59 | [phoenyx] | is that a trick question? |
| 16:00.00 | redbeard1 | maquis is still here |
| 16:00.28 | maquis_ | redbeard1: oh... right... i forgot i had an @ |
| 16:00.30 | maquis_ | hmmm |
| 16:01.10 | maquis_ | redbeard1: can you ping tuxgirl.com? |
| 16:03.19 | maquis_ | can anybody ping tuxgirl.com? |
| 16:04.25 | maquis_ | http://www.amuniversal.com/ups/newsrelease/?view=468 <-- but.. but... |
| 16:04.33 | maquis_ | [phoenyx]: ok... thanks |
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| 16:14.19 | maquis_ | does anyone else here use zoneedit? |
| 16:16.46 | maquis_ | anyone?? |
| 16:16.46 | emcnabb | maquis_: used to |
| 16:16.53 | emcnabb | think I still do for a domain or two |
| 16:17.10 | maquis_ | emcnabb: if you currently do, can you see if any of those domains are working? |
| 16:17.54 | emcnabb | maquis_: come to think of it, I moved them a few weeks ago |
| 16:18.03 | maquis_ | i'm thinking it looks like the problem i'm having is on zoneedit's end because if i 'dig @ns2.zoneedit.com tuxgirl.com', it says it couldn't reach the servers |
| 16:18.05 | emcnabb | oh wait |
| 16:18.24 | emcnabb | $ dig hartmanfam.com |
| 16:18.33 | emcnabb | seems to be working |
| 16:18.39 | elg | ~nslookup tuxgirl.com |
| 16:19.19 | elg | thanks bothead |
| 16:19.41 | maquis_ | cool... thanks all |
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| 16:40.54 | findlay | ~nslookdown bothead |
| 16:41.18 | maquis_ | ~whalenuke findlay |
| 16:41.20 | ibot | ACTION dons his radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around findlay with his mind powers |
| 16:41.34 | levi | Morning. |
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| 16:43.42 | findlay | hey I made that one |
| 16:43.47 | findlay | ~shoot maquis_ |
| 16:43.56 | ibot | ACTION shoots maquis_ in the ear with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 16:49.01 | levi | Whee, crackpot central! http://www.nealadams.com/morescience.html |
| 16:51.50 | elg | oh, I thought you said crockpot central |
| 16:52.05 | elg | I couldn't figure out what was exciting about that. crockpots are about as much fun as watching grass grow |
| 16:52.47 | Jayce^ | PG question, is there a way you can do cross-database sql, eg select from dba.table1 insert into dbb.table2 |
| 16:53.00 | jsmith | Jayce^: I don't think so. |
| 16:53.17 | Jayce^ | jsmith, that's what I've been finding out... and it's frustrating... |
| 16:53.30 | Jayce^ | hehe.. I could do the horrible thing.... "But MYSQL can! " lol |
| 16:53.41 | jsmith | Yeah, but that's horrible... |
| 16:54.05 | jsmith | MySQL can take 12 days to run myisamchk on a table too -- should Postgres take that long to repair a table? |
| 16:54.32 | Jayce^ | jsmith, dont' get me started on PG issues ATM.... been fighting 8.0 on solaris for a while... |
| 16:54.34 | ScytheBlade1 | My question is, why the crap are you using MyISAM on a table that big? |
| 16:55.03 | jsmith | Wasn't my choice. |
| 16:55.13 | Jayce^ | BTW folks.... *never* use 8.0, especially on solaris! |
| 16:55.24 | jsmith | Jayce^: 8.2 is out -- did you try that? |
| 16:55.36 | Jayce^ | jsmith, yeah, will be migrating beginning of the year... finally |
| 16:55.50 | Newsome | ~seen bradipo |
| 16:56.13 | ibot | bradipo <i=bradipo@xmission.xmission.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 235d 14m 42s ago, saying: 'findlay: Doesn't taste like squash. The only cactus I've had was fichi d'india (cactus figs or whatever they are called here) and it was a sweet fruit.'. |
| 16:56.13 | Jayce^ | it'll fix a lot of issues supposedly... and then there are new features that are just spiffy |
| 16:57.36 | dataw0lf | jsmith / Jayce^: *cough* dblink *cough* |
| 16:58.41 | Jayce^ | oh, they do have those then.. |
| 16:59.03 | jsmith | Newsome: Seems like he's been missing in action for a while now... |
| 16:59.11 | Jayce^ | will save me a *lot* of unecessary db code |
| 16:59.20 | Jayce^ | jsmith, he's just started posting to plug again... been a year |
| 16:59.31 | Jayce^ | maybe he finally got a different job? |
| 17:00.54 | dataw0lf | or didn't... |
| 17:00.55 | jsmith | Let's all hope so!?? |
| 17:01.02 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Thanks for the heads up on dblink ;-) |
| 17:01.19 | dataw0lf | no problemo, senor |
| 17:01.37 | Newsome | maybe |
| 17:01.50 | Jayce^ | now to get that part of contrib on this box.. |
| 17:03.04 | dataw0lf | isn't a bradipo some sort of animal in spanish? |
| 17:04.23 | maquis_ | for bradipo's sake, i hope he found a different job |
| 17:04.40 | maquis_ | Newsome: how's it going? |
| 17:06.04 | Newsome | not bad |
| 17:06.22 | Newsome | enjoying being back in the Midwest |
| 17:06.31 | dataw0lf | Newsome: where at? |
| 17:06.37 | Newsome | Chicago |
| 17:07.23 | graphy1 | Newsome: Do you know Ed Schaller? |
| 17:07.54 | Newsome | yeah. Ed just recently moved out this way as well |
| 17:08.13 | Newsome | we live probably 20 miles from each other, but work only about 1-2 apart |
| 17:08.26 | graphy1 | I was going to mention that. |
| 17:08.40 | emcnabb | Newsome: have you talked to him yet since he moved out there? |
| 17:09.02 | graphy1 | I sent the recruiter his way. |
| 17:09.31 | graphy1 | you do have his email, no? |
| 17:09.32 | Newsome | briefly, but his wife was expecting, so he's been busy |
| 17:09.40 | emcnabb | graphy1: yeah, think so |
| 17:10.02 | Newsome | mmm...lunchtime |
| 17:10.06 | graphy1 | if you don't just hit me up for it. |
| 17:11.04 | emcnabb | is it still the darkmist.net one? |
| 17:11.34 | dataw0lf | Newsome: sweet. Chicago uber alles! |
| 17:11.43 | dataw0lf | North side? |
| 17:12.43 | graphy1 | I assume so. |
| 17:13.20 | dataw0lf | graphy1: what's up with your bro's phone? |
| 17:13.46 | graphy1 | I dunno. It having issues? |
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| 17:14.02 | graphy1 | He does live in the sticks |
| 17:14.47 | emcnabb | dataw0lf: Naperville |
| 17:15.01 | dataw0lf | tried calling several times |
| 17:16.24 | dataw0lf | emcnabb: ah I worked in Aurora for a while |
| 17:19.02 | emcnabb | dataw0lf: cool |
| 17:19.19 | emcnabb | Newsome: I'm talking to Josh Crowe right now |
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| 17:20.27 | dataw0lf | lived in Gary at the time, talk about a terrible commute |
| 17:20.55 | emcnabb | yeah, that's bad |
| 17:21.01 | emcnabb | why Gary, of all places? |
| 17:21.23 | emcnabb | back then it was probably the murder capitol of the US, right? |
| 17:21.24 | dataw0lf | cuz I was in high school there for a while. |
| 17:21.27 | dataw0lf | yes |
| 17:21.28 | emcnabb | dataw0lf: ah |
| 17:21.47 | elg | gary indiana? |
| 17:21.48 | dataw0lf | hey, I've lived in Washington Heights too, Gary is worse. Gary is like Mad Max 4 |
| 17:21.59 | dataw0lf | yea, gary, indiana. |
| 17:22.04 | emcnabb | haha |
| 17:22.14 | emcnabb | I've only driven through it on my way to Michigan |
| 17:22.23 | dataw0lf | what was left of your car? |
| 17:22.28 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 17:22.39 | emcnabb | we drove quickly :-) |
| 17:22.49 | emcnabb | I have gone to Indiana Dunes though |
| 17:22.53 | dataw0lf | hehe that's the only way to drive through Gary if you're white. |
| 17:22.56 | emcnabb | camped there |
| 17:23.01 | goozbach | I blame canada |
| 17:23.19 | emcnabb | goozbach: I don't think even Canada could account for Gary's problems |
| 17:23.25 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> Channel for OSS discussion | See http://www.plug.org/node/28 | PHP workshop hosted by OALUG & UPHPU Jan 27 in Ogden- Watch http://groups.google.com/group/oalug for details | goozbach wants a canadian for Christmas |
| 17:23.46 | dataw0lf | Gary really validates the argument for the existence of Satan. |
| 17:24.09 | dataw0lf | emcnabb: Indiana Dunes is cool. |
| 17:24.44 | goozbach | very much so |
| 17:25.16 | goozbach | a sexy french-canadian |
| 17:25.16 | goozbach | female |
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| 17:25.39 | dataw0lf | how about an annoying french-canadian, like Celine Dion? |
| 17:25.54 | findlay | didn't Professor Harold Hill graduate from Gary? |
| 17:25.55 | emcnabb | Celine Dion sucks |
| 17:26.03 | herlo | emcnabb: agreed |
| 17:26.08 | macnewbold | findlay: class of '06 |
| 17:26.14 | emcnabb | findlay: people from Gary Indiana graduate? |
| 17:26.20 | findlay | I bet emcnabb knows all about Prof. Hill |
| 17:26.25 | levi | We have a french-canadian working here now, but he's definitely not a sexy woman. |
| 17:26.35 | findlay | macnewbold: so, this year then |
| 17:26.52 | macnewbold | kinda |
| 17:26.53 | dataw0lf | I didn't know people from Gary could read |
| 17:27.08 | findlay | not only read but sing and dance |
| 17:27.11 | dataw0lf | hey buddy |
| 17:27.23 | dataw0lf | I was born in Eugene, Oregon and spent most of my life in Chicago |
| 17:27.43 | macnewbold | south side? |
| 17:27.46 | dataw0lf | just because I was unfortunate enough to live there doesn't mean it rubbed off |
| 17:27.48 | findlay | and never went to the Chicago Symohony I suppose |
| 17:27.49 | dataw0lf | ... yes |
| 17:27.58 | findlay | regrettable |
| 17:28.04 | findlay | (: |
| 17:28.17 | dataw0lf | pshaw |
| 17:28.22 | findlay | they're only one of the best symphonies in the world |
| 17:28.24 | dataw0lf | my dad took me to the CSO when I was like 11 |
| 17:28.36 | dataw0lf | last time I ever went to a symphony. |
| 17:28.39 | findlay | awesome |
| 17:28.46 | emcnabb | if you live in Gary you don't worry about things like the Symphony... you're just trying to stay alive |
| 17:29.15 | dataw0lf | yea, making it to the corner drugstore is an adventure, I can't imagine braving the streets all the way to the CSO |
| 17:29.16 | findlay | my sister is in Indiana on the lake near Chicago |
| 17:29.25 | dataw0lf | Fort Wayne, hopefully |
| 17:29.38 | findlay | Michigan City I think |
| 17:29.45 | dataw0lf | that's about as close to Chicago as you want to get on the lake. |
| 17:30.04 | dataw0lf | ah Michigan City |
| 17:30.15 | dataw0lf | that's right next to the dunes |
| 17:30.29 | dataw0lf | about 20-25 miles east of Gary |
| 17:30.41 | findlay | I bet it's colder there than it it here right now |
| 17:30.53 | dataw0lf | oh, for sure. |
| 17:31.12 | dataw0lf | Salt Lake has nothing on Lake Michigan for either cold nor heat. |
| 17:31.23 | dataw0lf | it's definitely a land of extreme temperatures. |
| 17:32.12 | goozbach | I wouldn't mind Avril Lavigne |
| 17:32.17 | goozbach | if I get to choose |
| 17:32.25 | dataw0lf | she looks like a 13 year old midget. |
| 17:32.57 | vontrapp_ | levi: where did you find that site? |
| 17:33.04 | vontrapp_ | absolutely bonkers |
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| 17:33.28 | levi | vontrapp_: The weirdo science one? |
| 17:33.33 | vontrapp | yeah |
| 17:33.49 | levi | vontrapp: It was linked from the Good Math, Bad Math blog. |
| 17:34.43 | findlay | heh |
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| 17:36.23 | vontrapp | i like how everything claimed is based on the expanding planets model |
| 17:36.41 | vontrapp | but nowhere does it even try to validate or explain why planets would expand |
| 17:36.46 | goozbach | dataw0lf: you aparently haven't seen her latley |
| 17:37.14 | levi | This is a pretty wild APOD: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap061217.html |
| 17:37.29 | findlay | dataw0lf: I set image.animation_mode to once in firefix |
| 17:37.36 | findlay | s/fix/fox/ |
| 17:37.55 | dataw0lf | findlay: never knew it existed. |
| 17:37.58 | dataw0lf | I love firefox. |
| 17:38.13 | findlay | you can get to it in about:config I guess |
| 17:38.39 | findlay | that one little thing has greatly happified my browsing experience |
| 17:39.50 | dataw0lf | I want to be happified too |
| 17:39.54 | levi | vontrapp: Look at the root of his domain to find out more about who he is. Apparently he does those bumblebee ads and some comic books and stuff aside from bunk science. |
| 17:40.25 | dataw0lf | dang I think me and my girlfriend are breaking up. |
| 17:41.21 | vontrapp | ugh! i hate those commercials! |
| 17:45.45 | emcnabb | dataw0lf: is that a good or bad thing? |
| 17:50.06 | dataw0lf | I think I win either way. |
| 17:50.10 | dataw0lf | http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/45646/ |
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| 17:56.41 | Newsome | dataw0lf: I live in Aurora. My parents are in Naperville, and that's where I "grew up" |
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| 17:59.29 | dataw0lf | Newsome: Nice. |
| 18:02.06 | ^Migs^ | where's Aurora? |
| 18:02.08 | ^Migs^ | Texas? |
| 18:02.14 | dataw0lf | Chicago area. |
| 18:02.24 | ^Migs^ | there's an Aurora, Texas too, isn't there? |
| 18:02.36 | Newsome | there are quite a few Auroras |
| 18:02.40 | findlay | and Denver |
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| 18:05.30 | findlay | ~dvorak aoeuidhtns |
| 18:05.36 | ^Migs^ | Aurora != Denver |
| 18:06.07 | findlay | and Denver != Dvorak |
| 18:06.51 | atoponce | ahh. irssi... |
| 18:06.59 | ^Migs^ | mIRC |
| 18:07.25 | atoponce | i was in weechat for so long, i forgot the sweetness of irssi. |
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| 18:10.58 | ^Migs^ | what's weechat? |
| 18:11.46 | findlay | it forces atoponce to say small things or to say things smallly |
| 18:12.35 | ^Migs^ | the less atoponce says, the better |
| 18:16.44 | atoponce | ~lart ^Migs^ |
| 18:17.02 | atoponce | weechat is a text-based irc client similar to irssi |
| 18:17.11 | atoponce | still wet behind the ears though |
| 18:17.25 | ^Migs^ | what's the purpose? |
| 18:17.52 | findlay | ~mirv purpose |
| 18:18.12 | findlay | somebody should make a set of xscorch larts |
| 18:19.18 | maquis_ | findlay: well... what are you waiting for? |
| 18:19.24 | ^Migs^ | sounds like a veritable waste of time, this weechat |
| 18:19.36 | findlay | ~weechat ^Migs^ |
| 18:19.39 | ^Migs^ | not to mention gay-sounding |
| 18:19.44 | maquis_ | atoponce: what's the goal of weechat? |
| 18:19.59 | findlay | maquis_: I have so many much better things to do with my computer time |
| 18:20.11 | findlay | not that I don't have a lot of computer time |
| 18:20.13 | ^Migs^ | to copy irssi, but introduce some pointless "features" that hardly anyone will ever use and those who do use them will be annoyed by them |
| 18:20.14 | atoponce | ^Migs^: you mean using it? |
| 18:20.27 | ^Migs^ | using/developing it |
| 18:20.28 | ^Migs^ | yes |
| 18:21.08 | atoponce | it offers more features than irssi, such as a built-in nicklist, python/ruby/perl/lua scripting, colored nicks |
| 18:21.15 | ^Migs^ | okay, now why didn't you say that? |
| 18:21.29 | ^Migs^ | we were all thinking you were crazy for using weechat |
| 18:21.35 | findlay | irssi has perl/python scripting |
| 18:21.40 | dataw0lf | sure does. |
| 18:21.52 | atoponce | python scripting? i know it does perl |
| 18:22.11 | dataw0lf | I use irssi-python. |
| 18:22.25 | findlay | maquis_: do you have a custom tab-wrapper? |
| 18:22.34 | maquis_ | findlay: no... i don't think so |
| 18:22.46 | findlay | oh well, at least I thought it had python |
| 18:22.57 | levi | What do you folks do with irc scripting? I've never thought of a use for it. |
| 18:23.18 | findlay | but I thought you were going to say that weechat does all your chat needs, like jabber, irc, etc. |
| 18:23.18 | maquis_ | levi: goo has something set up so that you can send messages to his pager and wake him up in the middle of the night |
| 18:23.20 | atoponce | levi: auto-rejoin, and nicklist mainly |
| 18:23.33 | findlay | auto authenticate |
| 18:23.39 | levi | maquis_: That sounds awful! |
| 18:23.51 | maquis_ | levi: for him, sure... |
| 18:23.52 | maquis_ | :) |
| 18:23.55 | findlay | levi: isn't technology wonderful? |
| 18:24.25 | maquis_ | levi: pagers in general are interesting technology... |
| 18:24.28 | atoponce | findlay: for nickserv? i just set my pass as my freenode pass. not sure if other irc servers support this though |
| 18:25.03 | findlay | what's the difference between freenode pass and nickserv pass? |
| 18:25.13 | elg | levi: there's an irssi script that marks me auto-away |
| 18:25.14 | maquis_ | i saw someone looking into getting a blackberry the other day... |
| 18:25.22 | elg | (without annoying announcements to channel) |
| 18:25.27 | elg | I didn't write it, but it's useful |
| 18:25.30 | findlay | I want a blueberry myself |
| 18:25.32 | atoponce | findlay: they are one and the same |
| 18:25.36 | findlay | oh |
| 18:25.56 | maquis_ | didn't uncle_jesse have something that made him into a bot when he was away? |
| 18:25.58 | atoponce | then you never have to worry about /msg nickserv identify <pass> again |
| 18:26.13 | atoponce | maquis_: harleypig did, and i'm curious how he did it |
| 18:26.22 | findlay | atoponce: how? |
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| 18:26.26 | maquis_ | ~seen uncle_jesse |
| 18:26.44 | ibot | uncle_jesse <n=sjansen@adsl-072-151-248-067.sip.bct.bellsouth.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 160d 23h 21m 20s ago, saying: 'heh'. |
| 18:26.45 | maquis_ | ~seen santabot |
| 18:26.47 | ibot | santabot <n=santabot@c-24-128-236-179.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 359d 15h 52m 18s ago, saying: 'Ktron|SantaBot: For goodness' sake, holidays celebrates happy Kwanzaa.'. |
| 18:26.52 | findlay | I thought uncle_jesse -> ... -> \me |
| 18:27.14 | atoponce | findlay: /server add -auto -network freenode irc.freenode.net 6667 <password> |
| 18:27.16 | maquis_ | findlay: i dunno... |
| 18:27.19 | maquis_ | !presents |
| 18:27.44 | maquis_ | who owns santabot? |
| 18:27.52 | elg | findlay: with an eliza bot |
| 18:28.46 | findlay | elizabot: please auto do everything for my irc needs. KTHXBYE |
| 18:29.25 | findlay | uncle_jesse == sjansen? |
| 18:29.35 | maquis_ | findlay: i don't think so |
| 18:29.42 | maquis_ | i think it was jesse stay |
| 18:29.43 | findlay | look at the nick url |
| 18:29.45 | maquis_ | or something like that |
| 18:30.04 | maquis_ | ~huh... weird |
| 18:30.12 | ibot | Weird factor is currently 10%, and stable. |
| 18:30.13 | atoponce | /whois \me_ |
| 18:30.51 | findlay | ~me is who |
| 18:30.52 | ibot | moi? |
| 18:30.57 | findlay | yes |
| 18:31.15 | atoponce | who is on first |
| 18:31.35 | findlay | ~translate first |
| 18:31.47 | maquis_ | ~huh... findlay |
| 18:31.49 | findlay | what was the bablefish one? |
| 18:31.59 | macnewbold | ~babelfish |
| 18:32.01 | findlay | ~babelfish en it maquis_ |
| 18:32.11 | findlay | heh |
| 18:32.26 | macnewbold | ~x en es wow, that is cool |
| 18:32.44 | macnewbold | ~translate en es that is cool |
| 18:32.52 | macnewbold | haha |
| 18:32.53 | maquis_ | ~quote scox |
| 18:32.57 | macnewbold | babelfish is totally busted |
| 18:33.23 | maquis_ | ~quote amzn |
| 18:33.30 | findlay | ~hehe babelfish |
| 18:34.35 | findlay | ~quote scox |
| 18:35.15 | findlay | ~quote ibm rht |
| 18:38.10 | macnewbold | ~want |
| 18:38.12 | macnewbold | ~wantnick |
| 18:38.18 | macnewbold | ~wantnick ibot |
| 18:38.18 | ibot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 18:43.04 | ^Migs^ | wow, I think I'm going to meet the deadline on this project. I don't remember the last time that has happened. |
| 18:48.51 | ^Migs^ | huh? |
| 18:49.02 | findlay | I knew it |
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| 18:51.04 | macnewbold | ~decipher yd. Ekrpat co lprxaxnf jrmcbi anrbi bcj.nfv |
| 18:51.08 | macnewbold | ~rot13 yd. Ekrpat co lprxaxnf jrmcbi anrbi bcj.nfv |
| 18:51.08 | ibot | lq. Rxecng pb yceknkas wezpov naeov opw.asi |
| 18:51.10 | ^Migs^ | I mean, I understood what you meant, but.....why? |
| 18:51.41 | macnewbold | ~aslpode ^Migs^ |
| 18:53.00 | atoponce | ~dvorak yd. Ekrpat co lprxaxnf jrmcbi anrbi bcj.nfv |
| 18:53.41 | findlay | somebody should make a dvorak/qwerty changer |
| 18:53.44 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: I'm sure your coworker is the reason for you meeting your deadline |
| 18:53.51 | findlay | yeah, me too |
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| 18:55.25 | emcnabb | maquis_: you work for Amazon, they sell lotion |
| 18:55.34 | findlay | yeah |
| 18:55.44 | emcnabb | http://amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/104-6519831-4245523?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=lotion&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go |
| 18:56.04 | maquis_ | emcnabb: thanks..... that doesn't help at the moment, though |
| 18:56.31 | maquis_ | i have plenty of lotion at home... |
| 18:56.41 | emcnabb | you should have brought it |
| 18:56.48 | maquis_ | yes, i should've |
| 18:57.56 | emcnabb | maquis_: I think dataw0lf is making an offer |
| 18:57.58 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 18:58.53 | findlay | yes, jsmith is back |
| 18:59.22 | jsmith | Oh no! |
| 18:59.24 | jsmith | I'm back! |
| 18:59.30 | dataw0lf | emcnabb: I cannot spare any cocoa butter, sir! |
| 18:59.38 | emcnabb | haha |
| 19:00.00 | dataw0lf | if only I could do a possessive /me... |
| 19:00.47 | findlay | now there's a case for an irssi script |
| 19:00.51 | dataw0lf | good call. |
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| 19:08.38 | ^Migs^ | wtf, new guy is scheduling meetings |
| 19:08.42 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 19:09.09 | findlay | ~schedule ^Migs^ |
| 19:12.33 | maquis_ | ^Migs^: was he told to schedule it by someone over him? |
| 19:32.50 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 19:32.55 | ^Migs^ | that's the point |
| 19:33.18 | findlay | really? |
| 19:33.27 | ^Migs^ | yes, the point is that |
| 19:33.43 | findlay | that is the point |
| 19:33.44 | ^Migs^ | not a big deal. I thought it was funny |
| 19:33.54 | findlay | the point is funny |
| 19:34.15 | findlay | I understand |
| 19:34.49 | findlay | 12 channels and there's nothing good on |
| 19:37.30 | ^Migs^ | you're too picky. I'm sure if someone from 2000 years ago magically appeared, he'd be fascinated with whatever was on your 12 channels. |
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| 19:39.31 | ^Migs^ | I suppose scheduling meetings and preparing agendas demonstrates good leadership skills, huh? |
| 19:40.15 | findlay | you visitor from 2000 years away will concur |
| 19:41.37 | ^Migs^ | IAW findlay |
| 19:42.53 | levi | Mmmm, corn chowder. |
| 19:43.08 | graphyx | ^Migs^: Did he fail? |
| 19:43.17 | ^Migs^ | fail what? |
| 19:43.30 | graphyx | ^Migs^: with the meeting? |
| 19:43.38 | ^Migs^ | oh, no, it's okay. I just thought it was cute. |
| 19:44.14 | graphyx | maybe that is all that he is good at. Did you think of that? |
| 19:44.36 | levi | He could have a bright future ahead of him in management! |
| 19:45.06 | ^Migs^ | no, there's plenty he's good at |
| 19:45.21 | ^Migs^ | he's still a development noob, but he has strong capacity for leadership |
| 19:45.49 | ^Migs^ | if he gets a degree, he could really do a lot |
| 19:46.14 | ^Migs^ | frankly, I'm glad he's here to provide customer outreach |
| 19:46.20 | ^Migs^ | that's one thing we didn't have before he showed up |
| 20:01.36 | ^Migs^ | are you a noob too? |
| 20:02.45 | maquis_ | ^Migs^: yeah... |
| 20:03.35 | maquis_ | i started exactly 3 months before christmas |
| 20:04.21 | ^Migs^ | what kind of work are you doing? |
| 20:04.32 | ^Migs^ | haha, this web site is funny: http://gothornot.com/ |
| 20:04.55 | maquis_ | ^Migs^: development |
| 20:07.52 | ^Migs^ | what do you develop in? |
| 20:08.04 | maquis_ | ^Migs^: whatever they need :) |
| 20:09.54 | ^Migs^ | I mean, what language do you normally code in? |
| 20:09.57 | ^Migs^ | language(s) |
| 20:10.06 | dataw0lf | English. |
| 20:10.10 | ^Migs^ | me too |
| 20:10.21 | dataw0lf | it's a bit absurd, but it gets the job done. |
| 20:10.48 | maquis_ | ^Migs^: a couple of different ones |
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| 20:11.18 | dataw0lf | I wonder if any other spoken languages are better suited than English for programming purposes |
| 20:11.27 | dataw0lf | that'd be an interesting research project. |
| 20:12.17 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, you should read some of damian conways stuff... he's done a bit of implementation with that, following research by other people |
| 20:12.25 | maquis_ | dataw0lf: actually, i think it might be a very interesting question |
| 20:12.39 | maquis_ | i know that, for example, english has a large number of "exceptions" to various rules |
| 20:12.53 | Jayce^ | of course, he tries to do humorous examples in implementation, but the research he's showing is real |
| 20:13.03 | maquis_ | whereas some other languages follow their grammatical rules much better |
| 20:13.10 | Jayce^ | Lingua::Romana::Perligata for example |
| 20:13.11 | findlay | how do you use File::Find? |
| 20:13.25 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: hmmm, danke, I will check it out. |
| 20:13.31 | findlay | all I want is a list of files |
| 20:13.53 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: Oh. Is Perl actually useful in other languages? |
| 20:14.01 | maquis_ | actually, chinese would probably be a good language for development -- grammatically, it's extremely consistent, and it doesn't have nasty conjugation that breaks things |
| 20:14.07 | findlay | but it seems more concerned about wierd things |
| 20:14.14 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, with some googling you should be able to find talks where he references some works by other folks, some at Monash (where he taught) |
| 20:14.38 | Jayce^ | findlay, it's just like using `find` in that you have to give it some commands |
| 20:14.46 | dataw0lf | yea, I'm checking out Google results right now. |
| 20:14.47 | dataw0lf | coolio. |
| 20:15.01 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, well, if you don't want useful, he created the ability to program Perl in Klingon... |
| 20:15.16 | Jayce^ | (he was using it as a proof for truly 'strict' languages) |
| 20:15.25 | maquis_ | lol |
| 20:15.36 | levi | I shudder at the nasty hacks that must have gone into that. |
| 20:15.46 | Jayce^ | the exact opposite of the latin implementation |
| 20:15.50 | maquis_ | i read something once about a family that was raising their son to be completely bilingual in klingon and english |
| 20:16.04 | dataw0lf | that's just sad. |
| 20:16.04 | findlay | Jayce^: yes, but how do I get the list of files that matches? |
| 20:16.14 | maquis_ | dataw0lf: yeah... |
| 20:16.21 | Jayce^ | levi, not too bad actually, source filters I think for the perl5 stuff |
| 20:16.43 | maquis_ | the poor kid was like 4, and was used to using klingon at home with his parents |
| 20:16.47 | Jayce^ | findlay, should be returned... for a good example you've seen, look at spr's oggify |
| 20:16.49 | levi | source filters = nasty hacks. |
| 20:17.06 | Jayce^ | levi, hacks, annoying ones, but not nasty compared to his evil hacks.. |
| 20:17.18 | findlay | of course Jayce^'s protege project implementation of File::Find (-: |
| 20:17.36 | levi | Well, yes, clearly the man can channel the devil's own power to create evil perl code. |
| 20:17.36 | maquis_ | ~nslookup tuxgirl.com |
| 20:17.53 | findlay | maquis_: I'm sure emcnabb will be only too happy to find food on your company's website |
| 20:18.04 | maquis_ | findlay: yeah... i'm sure |
| 20:18.15 | levi | But I'm looking at things from the perspective of sanity, not some Lovecraftian horror scenario. |
| 20:18.19 | maquis_ | speaking of which, has everybody seen the customer reviews on the milk? |
| 20:19.51 | levi | Jayce^: I think prolonged exposure to the evil has desensitized you. |
| 20:20.37 | redbeard1 | levi: i could have told you that. |
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| 20:21.29 | redbeard1 | ~lart harleypig |
| 20:21.51 | findlay | ~evil |
| 20:21.54 | ibot | methinks evil is something Microsoft bought from Satan, according to http://bbspot.com/News/2000/4/MS_Buys_Evil.html |
| 20:24.39 | findlay | I give up |
| 20:24.49 | findlay | I'm just going to use plain old find for now |
| 20:25.01 | harleypig | ~find |
| 20:25.06 | harleypig | ~find my braind |
| 20:32.41 | Jayce^ | http://worlds-highest-website.com/ |
| 20:42.13 | levi | Huh. That's kind of silly. |
| 20:42.34 | levi | Kind of like those sites that attempt to give you the scale of the solar system. |
| 20:42.36 | harleypig | You're talking about a web page |
| 20:43.04 | dataw0lf | well, now I have to go plant a web server on Everest, that's it. I totally was expecting that. |
| 20:43.10 | ^Migs^ | whoops, I just clicked Select All on that web page |
| 20:44.28 | ^Migs^ | things are no longer "high" once you reach outer space |
| 20:44.34 | dataw0lf | findlay: I'll just invoke my power of relativity and call it the lowest then |
| 20:44.39 | findlay | yu huh |
| 20:44.40 | ^Migs^ | it's either "near" or "far" |
| 20:44.42 | ^Migs^ | nuh uh |
| 20:44.48 | ^Migs^ | don't be stoopid |
| 20:44.51 | findlay | yu huh |
| 20:44.55 | ^Migs^ | nar |
| 20:45.00 | findlay | whatever |
| 20:45.16 | dataw0lf | theoretically, as long as you're still in the earth's gravitational field, you can consider height. |
| 20:45.22 | dataw0lf | so I'm rocketing mine to the Moooooon! |
| 20:45.24 | dataw0lf | muhahaha |
| 20:45.43 | findlay | um, the earth's gravitational field doesn't end at the moon |
| 20:46.02 | ^Migs^ | theoretically, the earth's gravitational field never ends |
| 20:46.28 | ^Migs^ | so following that logic, Titan is apparently quite high |
| 20:46.39 | findlay | but you can't |
| 20:46.49 | findlay | 'orbit' earth at the distance of Titan |
| 20:47.08 | findlay | so the question now becomes one of optimization |
| 20:47.11 | ^Migs^ | things within a gravitational field don't necessarily orbit that object |
| 20:47.18 | findlay | what is the largest practical orbit |
| 20:47.49 | levi | If you left earth and travelled at an arbitrarily high speed without changing direction, would you eventually end up back at earth? |
| 20:48.00 | findlay | nobody knows |
| 20:48.19 | findlay | depends on the curvature, state of the universe |
| 20:48.35 | levi | If so, and you end up on the other side of the earth, that would be about as 'high' as you could go. |
| 20:48.37 | dataw0lf | ^Migs^: I'm talking practically in regards to the gravitational field. |
| 20:48.43 | dataw0lf | GM/r |
| 20:49.09 | findlay | ha |
| 20:49.12 | findlay | beat that one |
| 20:49.31 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 20:49.39 | dataw0lf | Khaaaaan! |
| 20:49.41 | findlay | darn |
| 20:49.49 | ^Migs^ | what if I went an inch higher than that, levi? |
| 20:49.55 | ^Migs^ | i.e., dug down into the dirt a little? |
| 20:49.58 | levi | ^Migs^: Then you would win! Go for it! |
| 20:50.05 | findlay | yeah! |
| 20:50.12 | ^Migs^ | what if I just ended up back at the same point, and kept going ad nauseum? |
| 20:50.20 | ^Migs^ | we're talking infinite height |
| 20:50.46 | dataw0lf | 'twouldn't be infinite. |
| 20:50.59 | ^Migs^ | yes it would |
| 20:51.07 | dataw0lf | no 'twouldn't |
| 20:51.10 | ^Migs^ | 'twould |
| 20:51.15 | dataw0lf | 'twouldn't |
| 20:51.30 | ^Migs^ | wrong, cuz I could keep reaching my original point and continuing higher ad infinitum |
| 20:51.51 | ^Migs^ | ~pwndsauce dataw0lf |
| 20:51.52 | ibot | A ginormous opened bottle of Pwnsauce in the sky tips over and engulfs dataw0lf in a torrent of pwnsauce, leaving them with a shirt stain that reads "Pwned". |
| 20:51.52 | dataw0lf | what's a fraction of infinity? |
| 20:52.03 | ^Migs^ | that doesn't make sense, dataw0lf. Infinity doesn't have a fraction. |
| 20:52.14 | dataw0lf | so what are you building this infinite structure with? |
| 20:52.22 | dataw0lf | pizzowned. |
| 20:52.23 | ^Migs^ | it's not being built with anything |
| 20:52.46 | ^Migs^ | it's simply the fact. I can keep going higher and higher forever, even assuming I reach my original point |
| 20:53.02 | ^Migs^ | thus infinity. Uberpwnage |
| 20:53.24 | levi | ^Migs^: You can't actually have an infinite height; you have to stop somewhere if you're going to claim a height. But someone could always go higher. |
| 20:53.47 | ^Migs^ | that is, of course, what I meant |
| 20:53.56 | ^Migs^ | and I think the difference is insignificant |
| 20:54.09 | dataw0lf | the real question is |
| 20:54.09 | ^Migs^ | at any rate, I win |
| 20:54.17 | dataw0lf | what're you stringin' up there?? cat6? |
| 20:54.25 | levi | Well, one is technically meaningless and the other isn't. But, aside from that... |
| 20:54.31 | ^Migs^ | I forgot what we were going high for |
| 20:54.39 | ^Migs^ | oh right, a web server |
| 20:54.39 | levi | The highest webpage. |
| 20:54.43 | findlay | cat_Aleph_{25} |
| 20:54.45 | dataw0lf | since a web server at an infinite height would have an infinite time to reach with packets |
| 20:54.50 | dataw0lf | your web server just timed out |
| 20:54.59 | dataw0lf | sorry buddy. |
| 20:55.11 | findlay | ~dig his_web_site.com |
| 20:55.23 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I don't think we should plant web servers in the far reaches of space just yet |
| 20:55.26 | dataw0lf | so you can SAY you have a web server daemon running on it, but, personally, I don't believe you. |
| 20:55.45 | findlay | well, how long does it take for the power to get there? |
| 20:56.09 | atoponce | in perl regex, what non alphanumeric characters need to be escaped? all of them? |
| 20:56.10 | levi | dataw0lf: The requirement for this is that the universe is spherical and you wrap around to the same point. |
| 20:56.23 | findlay | I say the universe is ice cream |
| 20:56.41 | ^Migs^ | what's more American than ice cream? |
| 20:56.45 | ^Migs^ | the 4th of july, and Uncle Sam? |
| 20:56.51 | atoponce | apple pie and baseball |
| 20:56.55 | levi | dataw0lf: So, as long as you stop in multiples of the universe's circumference, there's no real distance for the cables to go. |
| 20:56.59 | ^Migs^ | no, I am. I am. I am. |
| 20:57.06 | dataw0lf | levi: pshaw the universe is flat. |
| 20:57.19 | ^Migs^ | the universe is dodecahedronal |
| 20:57.29 | levi | dataw0lf: That's not consistent with observations, as far as I know. |
| 20:57.33 | maquis_ | actually, the universe is a hypersphere |
| 20:57.35 | ^Migs^ | possibly even dodecahedrozoidal |
| 20:57.48 | dataw0lf | levi: sure it is. WMAP. |
| 20:57.58 | levi | WMAP? |
| 20:58.11 | dataw0lf | the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe. Jeez, duh. |
| 20:58.21 | atoponce | is it just .[{()\*+?|^$ that need to be escaped? |
| 20:58.27 | dataw0lf | http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101shape.html |
| 20:59.03 | atoponce | everything else will match? |
| 20:59.28 | ^Migs^ | um |
| 20:59.35 | ^Migs^ | that site doesn't answer anything. Is the universe flat or not? |
| 20:59.38 | levi | dataw0lf: You are right. But there is still a 2% margin of error! ;) |
| 21:00.10 | dataw0lf | that's fairly big. So I'll just say _I_ think that the universe is flat. |
| 21:00.37 | emcnabb | ~rlart |
| 21:00.49 | goozbach | hey |
| 21:00.52 | goozbach | I'm home |
| 21:00.54 | maquis_ | welcome to #utah... on-topic is off-topic |
| 21:00.56 | goozbach | just not paying attention |
| 21:00.57 | emcnabb | ibot_: good call |
| 21:01.19 | emcnabb | ~rlart |
| 21:01.31 | findlay | I'm with dataw0lf. I think the universe has flat curvature |
| 21:01.34 | emcnabb | darn you ibot |
| 21:01.37 | emcnabb | ~rlart |
| 21:01.42 | emcnabb | ok, back to work |
| 21:01.45 | maquis_ | wow... you can get yourself with rlart? |
| 21:01.46 | atoponce | does " or ' need to be escaped? |
| 21:01.48 | maquis_ | ~lart emcnabb |
| 21:01.48 | findlay | ~work emcnabb |
| 21:01.50 | ibot | ACTION looks over the shoulder of emcnabb to see what needs to be done and then sets the elves to work getting it all done so emcnabb can play bzflag |
| 21:01.57 | maquis_ | atoponce: i'd escape those ones, personally |
| 21:02.10 | atoponce | maquis_: will it hurt? |
| 21:02.42 | maquis_ | atoponce: i don't think so... |
| 21:02.44 | dataw0lf | time to eat some chinese |
| 21:03.03 | maquis_ | i think it's less dangerous than shooting yourself in the foot with a large cannon |
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| 21:03.34 | atoponce | maquis_: ok. trying to write an irssi script that converts qwerty to dvorak and vice versa. :) |
| 21:04.12 | maquis_ | atoponce: i honestly don't know... i'm just guessing |
| 21:04.16 | maquis_ | since nobody else is answering |
| 21:05.16 | atoponce | maquis_: well, i appreciate your help! :) |
| 21:05.24 | findlay | atoponce: what is the specific context that you want to escape ' and "? |
| 21:05.34 | ^Migs^ | the universe is flat, with a 2% margin of error? |
| 21:05.50 | findlay | with a -1% error |
| 21:05.55 | findlay | with a -1i% error |
| 21:06.06 | findlay | I hate % |
| 21:06.13 | findlay | with a -0.01i error |
| 21:06.37 | levi | ^Migs^: That's what the dudes at NASA say. |
| 21:06.44 | maquis_ | if the margin of error is imaginary, that means that the answer is exactly right, right? |
| 21:07.06 | ^Migs^ | so the universe might have some potholes? |
| 21:07.09 | findlay | no, it's exactly imagination |
| 21:07.11 | ^Migs^ | i.e. BLACK HOLES? |
| 21:07.13 | ^Migs^ | ZOMGOMGOMZMGOZM |
| 21:07.23 | findlay | don't scare us like that |
| 21:07.28 | ^Migs^ | sorry |
| 21:07.35 | findlay | its ok |
| 21:07.38 | atoponce | findlay: i just need to know if it will match in y/// or if i need to escape it with \ |
| 21:07.47 | levi | ^Migs^: No, it means there's a small chance that the universe is actually non-flat. |
| 21:07.48 | findlay | no need to escape |
| 21:08.01 | levi | ^Migs^: And our measurement of the cosmological constant was just screwy. |
| 21:08.19 | maquis_ | ^Migs^: do you understand what gravity is? |
| 21:08.41 | atoponce | findlay: so only .[{()\*+?|^$ need to be escaped then, correct? |
| 21:08.41 | findlay | atoponce: ' and " are quoting characters. You only need to worry about metacharacters, special characters, and the quoting delimiter of choice in this situation which is / |
| 21:08.46 | maquis_ | gravity is areas where the univers is *not* flat |
| 21:09.04 | findlay | hey, I'm the GR expert here |
| 21:09.15 | findlay | QFT, man |
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| 21:09.33 | atoponce | findlay: so if i want to match ' or ", i'm okay putting them in directly? eg: y/'/S/ |
| 21:09.41 | findlay | try it |
| 21:09.55 | atoponce | that's what i'm afraid of... :) |
| 21:10.25 | maquis_ | ^Migs^: the dips in space cause gravity, (the dips occur in the 4th dimension), and that explains most of our laws of physics... |
| 21:10.56 | maquis_ | ^Migs^: i highly recommend reading "Black Holes and Time Warps" -- it's a very interesting book |
| 21:11.03 | levi | maquis: Those aren't really relevant to the overall topology of the universe, though. They're just local perturbations. |
| 21:11.09 | atoponce | hmmm. i would think that i would need to escape /? |
| 21:11.17 | ^Migs^ | you seem to assume I haven't already read it |
| 21:11.30 | maquis_ | ^Migs^: i don't know if you have or not |
| 21:11.33 | maquis_ | but it's extremely good |
| 21:11.34 | findlay | perl -e '$string = q(') ; $newstr = $string =~ y/'/S/ ; print $newstr,"\n"' |
| 21:11.38 | maquis_ | and it's written very well |
| 21:11.39 | ^Migs^ | I wouldn't know. Haven't read it. |
| 21:11.48 | maquis_ | http://www.amazon.com/Black-Holes-Time-Warps-Commonwealth/dp/0393312763/sr=8-1/qid=1166562673/ref=sr_1_1/105-2766546-5777244?ie=UTF8&s=books |
| 21:11.59 | findlay | oh, I see, it's an advertisement |
| 21:12.10 | findlay | (-: |
| 21:12.12 | ^Migs^ | I was already looking at that |
| 21:12.53 | maquis_ | ^Migs^: it's not full of math like most astrophysics books |
| 21:13.07 | ^Migs^ | yeah, who wants to read math? |
| 21:13.08 | dataw0lf | n 3 |
| 21:13.31 | maquis_ | i got the book when i was in 5th grade, and it took me about 3 years to make it through, but i actually understood at least half of it at that age |
| 21:14.06 | ^Migs^ | maybe you're just supersmart |
| 21:14.16 | maquis_ | nah... it's just not written too insanely |
| 21:14.29 | maquis_ | (and... i haven't re-read it, so im' not 100% certain that i didn't just mis-understand all of it) |
| 21:14.31 | ^Migs^ | I can guarantee you I won't be able to understand some of it |
| 21:14.46 | atoponce | i have a better idea... |
| 21:15.14 | maquis_ | ^Migs^: there were parts i didn't understand completely either... but i was able to get large parts of it because of the way it's explained |
| 21:16.11 | ^Migs^ | I doubt that, atoponce |
| 21:20.11 | goozbach | "you go to my head... my... Radiohead" |
| 21:20.20 | goozbach | ok computer |
| 21:21.33 | findlay | ~warp maquis_ |
| 21:21.34 | ibot | ACTION drops maquis_ into a warp-powered spaceship travelling at warp 9.9 |
| 21:23.58 | ^Migs^ | I have this TTC course here called "Black Holes and Baby Universes." That sounds interesting. |
| 21:25.03 | maquis_ | ^Migs^: that's based on the hawking book? |
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| 21:25.11 | nick125_ | 5 |
| 21:25.15 | ^Migs^ | I think so |
| 21:25.16 | nick125_ | err |
| 21:25.21 | maquis_ | ^Migs^: good book :) |
| 21:25.24 | ^Migs^ | er no wait |
| 21:25.47 | ^Migs^ | it's "My Favorite Universe" |
| 21:25.47 | nick125_ | mmm I love putty |
| 21:25.59 | maquis_ | ^Migs^: haven't read that one... |
| 21:26.01 | ^Migs^ | http://www.teach12.com/ttcx/coursedesclong2.aspx?cid=158&id=158&d=My+Favorite+Universe&pc=Search |
| 21:26.06 | ^Migs^ | you don't "read" them. You listen to them. |
| 21:26.18 | ^Migs^ | they're audio lectures. |
| 21:26.22 | maquis_ | interesting |
| 21:26.37 | levi | Apparently the entire Elegant Universe documentary is up on Google Video. |
| 21:26.46 | findlay | ^Migs^: no, it's by Kip Thorne |
| 21:26.52 | findlay | he's from Utah |
| 21:26.57 | maquis_ | spaghettification! |
| 21:27.00 | findlay | he teaches at Stanford I think |
| 21:27.10 | ^Migs^ | why are you telling me "no"? |
| 21:27.18 | ^Migs^ | and who cares where he's from? |
| 21:27.20 | maquis_ | findlay: when he wrote the book, he was teaching at caltech and berkeley |
| 21:27.23 | findlay | no wayt, sorry, you're right. That one is by Hawking |
| 21:27.29 | maquis_ | findlay: yeah... |
| 21:27.32 | findlay | maquis_: so? |
| 21:27.47 | maquis_ | findlay: yes... i know who wrote each of them... |
| 21:27.49 | findlay | ^Migs^: you care |
| 21:27.56 | maquis_ | i have both on my bookshelf at home |
| 21:28.09 | maquis_ | and they're both very good books :) |
| 21:28.18 | findlay | I think the Universe in a Nutshell is Hawking's best book |
| 21:28.26 | findlay | you should read it |
| 21:28.40 | maquis_ | i'll add that to my wishlist |
| 21:30.07 | maquis_ | findlay: have you ever read "god created the integers"? i just saw it and it looks interesting |
| 21:30.29 | findlay | no, but the title is from a famous quotation by Kronecker |
| 21:31.04 | findlay | Kroneker and Weirstrauss were friends but had different ideas about the foundations of numbers |
| 21:31.38 | levi | maquis: http://www.users.cloud9.net/~cgseife/zero.html is an interesting book. |
| 21:42.45 | goozbach | WOW 700 comment spam |
| 21:42.54 | goozbach | I need to install a captcha plugin |
| 21:45.27 | emcnabb | I wish I had more time to read. I guess it's all about priorities |
| 21:46.32 | findlay | read goozbach's comment spam? |
| 21:46.56 | emcnabb | no thanks; some of the books that were mentioned a while ago |
| 21:47.02 | emcnabb | but spam is entertaining |
| 21:47.29 | findlay | Hawking essentially rewrites the same book |
| 21:47.41 | findlay | that's why I think Universe in a Nutshell is the best |
| 21:50.12 | goozbach | my comment spam is repetitive |
| 21:50.25 | goozbach | and none of it makes it past moderation |
| 21:51.26 | ^Migs^ | is it just me, or is there something ridiculously refreshing about committing files to SVN? |
| 21:51.33 | findlay | heh |
| 22:09.31 | atoponce | w00t! |
| 22:09.40 | nick125_lappy | woah, its snowing outside.. |
| 22:10.04 | macnewbold | ~weather kogd |
| 22:10.12 | macnewbold | ~weather kslc |
| 22:10.20 | elg | -weather klru |
| 22:10.22 | brac | 18 minutes ago, on Tue Dec 19 21:52:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 8.75 meters per second (19.56 miles per hour), with gusts to 13.38 meters per second (29.92 miles per hour), from the West/Northwest at KLRU. The temperature was 6 degrees Celsius (43 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1016 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 93.3%. There were broken clouds at a height of 427 meters (1400 |
| 22:10.22 | brac | feet) and overcast clouds at a height of 792 meters (2600 feet). Current weather is Moderate Rain . There was 2.03 mm (0.08 inches) of precipitation in the last hour. |
| 22:10.45 | macnewbold | -weather kpvu |
| 22:10.46 | brac | 16 minutes ago, on Tue Dec 19 21:55:00 UTC 2006, the wind was calm at KPVU. The temperature was -5 degrees Celsius (23 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1022 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 57.9%. There were a few clouds at a height of 1981 meters (6500 feet). |
| 22:10.56 | macnewbold | -weather kslc |
| 22:11.02 | brac | 15 minutes ago, on Tue Dec 19 21:56:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 1.54 meters per second (3.45 miles per hour) from the North at KSLC. The temperature was -1.7 degrees Celsius (28.9 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1022 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 60.6%. There were a few clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet) and scattered clouds at a height of 6096 meters (20000 feet). |
| 22:11.18 | macnewbold | nick125_lappy: where is it snowing? |
| 22:12.01 | nick125_lappy | albuquerque nm |
| 22:13.00 | macnewbold | a |
| 22:13.21 | elg | -weather kabq |
| 22:13.25 | brac | 17 minutes ago, on Tue Dec 19 21:56:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 4.63 meters per second (10.36 miles per hour) from the East at KABQ. The temperature was -1.1 degrees Celsius (30.0 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1016 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 95.7%. There were vertical visibility clouds at a height of 91 meters (300 feet). Current weather is Light Snow Moderate Mist . |
| 22:13.26 | brac | There was 2.54 mm (0.10 inches) of precipitation in the last hour. |
| 22:13.40 | elg | -weather ksaf |
| 22:13.43 | brac | 21 minutes ago, on Tue Dec 19 21:53:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 4.12 meters per second (9.21 miles per hour) from the South/Southwest at KSAF. The temperature was -0.6 degrees Celsius (30.9 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1014 hPa (29.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 81.9%. There were overcast clouds at a height of 549 meters (1800 feet). |
| 22:14.51 | nick125_lappy | light snow?! |
| 22:15.28 | elg | at the airport 17 minutes ago, anyhow |
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| 22:16.12 | atoponce | dvorak-qwerty.pl irssi script finished! |
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| 22:34.49 | findlay | atoponce: but how to patch ibot |
| 22:36.27 | goozbach | kovorak |
| 22:37.38 | redbeard1 | goozbach: are you marketing kovorak keyboards now? |
| 22:39.13 | atoponce | findlay: i'm not familiar with ibot's scripting capabilities. :( |
| 22:39.35 | maquis_ | atoponce: test out your script somehow, though :) |
| 22:39.39 | maquis_ | we want to see |
| 22:39.46 | atoponce | 'we want to see' to dvorak: ,. ,aby yr o.. |
| 22:40.00 | atoponce | 'maquis_ ' to dvorak: ma'gco{ |
| 22:40.13 | maquis_ | atoponce: nice... congrats |
| 22:40.15 | atoponce | 'Dr, co yd. Ekrpat jrmcbiZ' to qwerty: How is the Dvorak coming? |
| 22:40.19 | goozbach | redbeard1: yeah, you shut them up in a box, and hook up a car exaust into the box |
| 22:40.28 | goozbach | :) |
| 22:40.32 | atoponce | maquis_: thx! :) i'm blogging about it. :) |
| 22:40.36 | maquis_ | sweet |
| 22:41.49 | atoponce | i should take advantage of channel colors. :) |
| 22:42.30 | findlay | ~blog atoponce |
| 22:42.32 | ibot | ACTION scrambles to his keyboard so he can proclaim to the world his unique knowledge and perspective on atoponce |
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| 22:42.55 | findlay | speaking of which |
| 22:43.34 | findlay | ~rot13338 GvzEvxre |
| 22:43.34 | ibot | GvzEvxre |
| 22:43.39 | findlay | aw |
| 22:43.41 | levi | Just so you all know, John Hodgman's 'The Areas Of My Expertise' audiobook is available for free on the iTMS. |
| 22:43.49 | findlay | ~rot13351 GvzEvxre |
| 22:43.49 | ibot | TimRiker |
| 22:43.53 | findlay | hehe |
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| 22:45.27 | goozbach | ~rot7 goozbach |
| 22:45.27 | ibot | nvvgihjo |
| 22:45.40 | atoponce | 'findlay ' to dvorak: ucbenaf |
| 22:49.44 | mrpull | 'The Areas Of My Expertise' doesn't ring a bell. why is it noteworthy? |
| 22:50.19 | mrpull | is Hodgeman the "PC guy"? |
| 22:50.43 | levi | Yes. |
| 22:51.27 | levi | It has a funny prologue, at least. I imagine the rest of the book will be amusing too. |
| 22:51.53 | mrpull | he's been funny when i've seen him on the daily show |
| 22:57.27 | [phoenyx] | does he read through all 700 hobo names? |
| 22:57.47 | levi | I haven't got to that point. |
| 23:00.13 | [phoenyx] | John Coulton does the music, eh? |
| 23:00.35 | maquis_ | jonathan coulton has funny music |
| 23:00.40 | nick125_lappy | woah, I can't even make a call out on my cell |
| 23:01.08 | nick125_lappy | network busy :/ |
| 23:01.19 | nick125_lappy | no data service either |
| 23:01.29 | levi | Unfortunately, you do seem to have an internet connection. |
| 23:01.44 | nick125_lappy | I just hope the power or telephone doesn't go out |
| 23:02.19 | mrpull | Wow... I must have hit a fast Apple site. That whole book downloaded at ~ 27 Mbps |
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| 23:15.30 | levi | I just got some random pre-recorded phone call in Spanish on my cell phone. :/ |
| 23:15.54 | mrpull | are you lucky enough to understand spanish? |
| 23:16.37 | mrpull | hrrmm... i'm getting a call from someone with 9999 as their caller ID |
| 23:16.43 | mrpull | I wonder if they speak spanish |
| 23:18.42 | mrpull | odd. they didn't leave a message. |
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