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| 00:49.49 | Sargun | Well |
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| 02:23.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know how I can check out a copy of a project from sourceforge's SVN? |
| 02:25.07 | mrpull- | ScytheBlade1: aren't there instructions? |
| 02:28.54 | mrpull- | ScytheBlade1: look at the tabs across the top of the project |
| 02:29.00 | mrpull- | find the one that says "code" |
| 02:29.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, I was working off a specific webpage's SVN web interface |
| 02:29.16 | mrpull- | hover over it and choose SVN |
| 02:30.04 | mrpull- | i'm sorry for the RTFM. Hope that helped. |
| 02:30.11 | ScytheBlade1 | mrpull, thanks |
| 02:30.16 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, don't be sorry at all ;) |
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| 03:10.16 | mrpull- | geeze... i'm rebuilding my father in law's PC |
| 03:10.25 | mrpull- | it didn't come with recovery cds |
| 03:10.31 | mrpull- | but it has an option to make them |
| 03:10.35 | mrpull- | EIGHT of them! |
| 03:11.27 | Sargun | lol |
| 03:11.47 | mrpull- | and it only give you one opportunity to make the discs |
| 03:11.51 | mrpull- | why? |
| 03:11.53 | Sargun | and then? |
| 03:12.01 | Sargun | It just implodes> |
| 03:12.03 | Sargun | implodes? |
| 03:12.06 | mrpull- | I guess you have to buy them from the web store if you lose them |
| 03:12.15 | Sargun | well, you should image the CDs |
| 03:12.18 | Sargun | onto your linux box |
| 03:12.23 | mrpull- | I started 15 minutes ago and the first one isn't done yet |
| 03:12.26 | Sargun | and burn 'em onto a DVD |
| 03:12.39 | mrpull- | (it has to verify that the burn was good before moving on) |
| 03:12.44 | Sargun | ah |
| 03:12.59 | mrpull- | he thinks this whole process only takes a few minutes |
| 03:25.10 | Sargun | lol |
| 03:25.14 | Sargun | only on Linux! |
| 03:34.49 | mrpull- | 2 of 8 just completed |
| 03:40.30 | Sargun | Yay! |
| 03:40.37 | Sargun | 25% percent |
| 03:40.45 | Sargun | 1/4th of a pizza |
| 03:44.54 | mrpull- | my son just kicked the pc and turned it off |
| 03:45.03 | mrpull- | now it has to start disc 3 over :( |
| 03:45.12 | mrpull- | i'm going to complain about this all night |
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| 03:51.11 | Sargun | how old is your son? |
| 03:51.18 | mrpull- | 2.5 |
| 03:51.24 | Sargun | Ah |
| 03:51.30 | Sargun | mrpull-, why not just get a Windows install disk and yeah.. |
| 03:51.42 | mrpull- | old enough to understand: "don't put your feet on this computer!" |
| 03:51.44 | mrpull- | I did |
| 03:51.54 | Sargun | and... |
| 03:51.55 | mrpull- | and windows activation told me the key wasn't good |
| 03:52.08 | Sargun | ugh |
| 03:52.11 | Sargun | suckage |
| 03:52.37 | mrpull- | yeah. of course it waits until you've gotten all the way through the install to tell you it will time bomb in 30 days |
| 03:53.55 | Sargun | hm. |
| 03:54.05 | Sargun | How big is a typical Dell windows installation? |
| 03:56.27 | mrpull- | most dells I've dealt with come with an OS disc and a driver disc |
| 03:56.36 | mrpull- | but they've been the business class pc's |
| 03:56.41 | mrpull- | this is an HP |
| 03:56.53 | mrpull- | and comes preloaded with a bunch of crap |
| 03:57.01 | mrpull- | I like the "compaq" HP's |
| 03:57.11 | mrpull- | but the "HP" HP's are crap |
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| 04:18.33 | mrpull- | 4 of 8 complete |
| 04:40.53 | mrpull- | 5 of 8 complete |
| 04:41.00 | mrpull- | should it really take this long :( |
| 04:41.02 | mrpull- | ? |
| 04:49.39 | Supaplex | for what? |
| 04:50.36 | Supaplex | oh, recovery discs. fun. |
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| 06:20.22 | Sargun | its 36 degrees out, Yow! |
| 06:23.11 | Supaplex | still warm enough to snow |
| 06:23.23 | Sargun | Its california |
| 06:23.34 | Sargun | we're not supposed to have sub-50 degree temperatures |
| 06:25.56 | Supaplex | welcome to utah :P haha |
| 06:28.43 | Sargun | -hides- |
| 06:32.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I cleaned 7" of snow off of my car. |
| 06:34.18 | findlay | ~snow Sargun |
| 06:34.22 | ibot | ACTION gets a bunch of white paper dots and shreds and flies over Sargun in a helicopter, dropping them incessantly |
| 06:35.37 | Supaplex | :-) |
| 06:37.38 | findlay | I just drove down I-15 over 3" of 'black' ice the whole way |
| 06:38.34 | findlay | being born Utah naturally gives me the ability to handle driving snow and even maintain my 15 mph+ edge over the speed limit |
| 06:38.44 | findlay | or not |
| 06:38.44 | Sargun | o.O |
| 06:38.57 | findlay | but that's what most people think here |
| 06:38.58 | Sargun | that sounds scary driving on ice |
| 06:39.16 | findlay | their big stupid box cars |
| 06:39.36 | findlay | driving *way* too fast for the weather |
| 06:39.43 | findlay | and visibility |
| 06:40.26 | findlay | ~lart Utah drivers |
| 06:40.28 | Supaplex | glad I-15 isn't involved in my 6 minute commute |
| 06:47.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll get to make a drive north on I-15 tomorrow morning. |
| 06:47.29 | ScytheBlade1 | It's going to SUC. |
| 06:47.31 | ScytheBlade1 | *SUCK. |
| 06:48.56 | Supaplex | 20h ago was the suck driving in the keysville-bountiful area. |
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| 07:37.42 | Sargun | How hard is dynamic (untrained) speech recognition? |
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| 08:51.38 | bonez41 | anyone around? |
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| 08:56.59 | Tene | Yeah. |
| 08:57.10 | Tene | bonez41: what's up? |
| 09:22.01 | bonez41 | ah...I purchased and assembled a newsystem...for my son for Christmas...all new... has 250 gig drive...SATA...I installed xp pro .. to get it running..now trying to install linux |
| 09:22.15 | dilvie | http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=11414028&blogID=206876911 <-- my holiday ham recipe |
| 09:22.30 | bonez41 | so , my trouble is that if I boot up now with my debian cd....it wants to just load to /dev/hde... without giving me the option of selecting /dev/hde3 where I want to install linux |
| 09:23.22 | Tene | Weird. |
| 09:23.22 | bonez41 | yeah |
| 09:23.22 | bonez41 | any thoughts? |
| 09:23.22 | bonez41 | do I need to dig out Partition Magic...and resize my xp partition? |
| 09:23.35 | bonez41 | to provide room for /boot at the front of the disk? |
| 09:23.49 | Tene | What do you mean by "load"? |
| 09:23.54 | bonez41 | by "load" I mean that after I select en keyboard....and the other few initial options...after booting up with my debian cd...it says..Partition Hard Disck..and then just shows /dev/hde as the only option....I used the disk manager in xp to create a 20 gig shared partition and an 85 gig partition, unformatted...for linux...maybe I should format it as fat32.....and then the installer might see it and then reformat it as ext2/3 |
| 09:23.55 | bonez41 | have I confused you yet? |
| 09:23.55 | Tene | I think that's just asking which HD to look for partitions on. |
| 09:23.55 | Tene | Unless the debian installer is really broken... which I would think it isn't... but I haven't installed debian in a *long* time... |
| 09:23.56 | bonez41 | well, that's the thing, I select OK at that point and then it wants to wipe that drive clean, to format it.... |
| 09:23.57 | Tene | ack |
| 09:23.58 | Tene | that's bad. |
| 09:23.58 | bonez41 | it never says..Oh, here's three partitions....looks like windows on one...fat 32...another and empty third partition.. |
| 09:23.58 | bonez41 | I set them all up as Primary...so three Primary partitions..is that the problem? |
| 09:23.59 | bonez41 | maybe they should be set up as extended partitions |
| 09:24.01 | Tene | No, that shouldn't be a problem... that just sounds like the debian installer is being really stupid... |
| 09:24.02 | Tene | is it normally like that? |
| 09:24.02 | Tene | like, have you installed debian on similarly-configured boxes before? |
| 09:24.31 | Tene | alternately, is there an option to skip the partitioning? |
| 09:24.41 | bonez41 | no, normally it will recognize what's there..I should probably burn a new cd...with a current up to date ISO.....from debian.org |
| 09:25.56 | bonez41 | I didn't try to skip the partitioning |
| 09:26.04 | Tene | Maybe you can skip the partitioning and just format the empty partition or something? |
| 09:26.06 | Tene | although I guess that wouldn't work... because it's unpartitioned, not an empty linux partition. |
| 09:26.08 | bonez41 | yeah, I am thinking I should partition and format it as fat32..and then try it with a newly burned cd |
| 09:26.09 | Tene | installing linux on fat32 is generally a bad idea unless you're really careful... |
| 09:26.09 | Tene | because fat32 is case-insensitive... |
| 09:26.09 | bonez41 | no, I mean, just so that the installer can see the drive..and then reformat it to ext3 |
| 10:43.34 | Tene | ahh |
| 10:43.34 | bonez41 | going to boot that system up, burn the iso for netinst and try that |
| 10:43.34 | bonez41 | thanks for your suggestions |
| 10:43.35 | Tene | No problem. |
| 10:43.35 | Tene | any time. |
| 10:43.35 | bonez41 | hasta |
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| 14:21.50 | goozbach | brulee creme |
| 14:21.53 | goozbach | morning |
| 14:22.06 | goozbach | straberry frosted poptarts are delish |
| 14:22.30 | goozbach | they are complemented nicely by a TaB as well |
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| 14:45.16 | calvarez | yo |
| 14:57.58 | graphyx | ya? |
| 14:59.16 | goozbach | ba |
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| 15:40.09 | levi | Good morning. |
| 15:45.31 | goozbach | levi: I aggree with the second half of that |
| 15:45.36 | goozbach | it IS morning |
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| 15:56.11 | goozbach | ok, I'm sorry it's a GREAT morning |
| 15:56.20 | goozbach | good morning everyone! |
| 15:56.27 | goozbach | buenas dias! |
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| 16:04.54 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
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| 16:11.45 | goozbach | lemon paper! |
| 16:11.47 | goozbach | ha! |
| 16:12.59 | dataw0lf | lemon pepper on toilet paper. I cannot imagine that's good. |
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| 16:16.51 | goozbach | lemony fresh |
| 16:21.49 | maquis | goozbach: what makes it such a great morning? |
| 16:22.07 | maquis | (wow... it just took 5 tries to type "morning" correctly |
| 16:22.08 | maquis | ) |
| 16:27.11 | levi | Morning, maquis. |
| 16:27.27 | maquis | morning it is... |
| 16:28.37 | emcnabb | almost afternoon |
| 16:29.13 | maquis | emcnabb: bah... you can cut the gloating |
| 16:29.53 | elg | ~gloat emcnabb |
| 16:33.54 | emcnabb | maquis: I've been up since 2 am your time! |
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| 16:34.23 | maquis | emcnabb: nice... i've been up since 5 |
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| 16:39.10 | emcnabb | yum, homemade fudge |
| 16:43.27 | maquis | ~steal emcnabb's homemade fudge |
| 16:43.28 | ibot | ACTION grabs emcnabb's homemade fudge and gives it to maquis |
| 16:43.33 | maquis | ibot_: thanks |
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| 16:48.34 | goozbach | maquis: I'm just trying to be more positive |
| 16:48.41 | herlo | http://www-css.fnal.gov/dsg/external/freeware/pgsql-vs-mysql.html |
| 16:48.46 | goozbach | because the happy at work book told me to |
| 16:48.59 | herlo | as unbiased goes, here's a good review of postgresql v mysql |
| 16:50.04 | graphyx | herlo, you planning to be at game night in the next couple weeks? |
| 16:50.14 | herlo | graphyx: yeah |
| 16:50.24 | herlo | I think we're gonna have a white elephant party this week |
| 16:51.54 | maquis | goozbach: the happy at work book says to be happy in the morning while at work? |
| 16:52.15 | goozbach | maquis: the happy at work book says to be happy |
| 16:52.20 | goozbach | period. |
| 16:52.23 | goozbach | end of discussion |
| 16:52.29 | goozbach | so I'm going to be happy |
| 16:52.32 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 16:52.36 | goozbach | even if it is before morning |
| 16:52.39 | goozbach | er noon |
| 16:52.41 | goozbach | bah |
| 16:52.42 | goozbach | sleepy |
| 16:52.48 | maquis | your happy at work book is scary |
| 16:52.54 | goozbach | maquis: not scarry |
| 16:53.25 | goozbach | http://positivesharing.com/happyhouris9to5 |
| 16:53.30 | goozbach | good book |
| 16:53.40 | maquis | goozbach: you only have like 7 minutes of morning left, don't you? |
| 16:53.40 | goozbach | READ IT! |
| 16:53.49 | goozbach | maquis: good point |
| 16:53.56 | goozbach | that explains the hunger |
| 16:54.05 | goozbach | bbl LUNCH! |
| 16:54.07 | goozbach | yay lunch |
| 16:54.10 | goozbach | tacos |
| 16:54.16 | goozbach | homemade tacos |
| 16:54.19 | goozbach | at my home |
| 16:54.21 | goozbach | yay! |
| 16:54.25 | goozbach | TACOS! |
| 16:54.31 | goozbach | I need more sleep |
| 16:54.43 | maquis | it's tasty |
| 16:54.50 | maquis | er... |
| 16:54.55 | maquis | s/beef/pork/g |
| 16:56.05 | Tene | pork, eh? That's what they say humans taste like, y'know. |
| 16:57.59 | goozbach | I made awesome porkchops again last night |
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| 17:00.26 | Tene | porkchops... or humanchops? |
| 17:04.15 | maquis | "you know i love my soylent green..." o/~ |
| 17:07.36 | Tene | maquis: do your metal gears and cogs hunger for the flesh of humans? |
| 17:07.46 | graphyx | herlo: I wont be in town till next week. |
| 17:08.07 | herlo | k, cool |
| 17:12.12 | graphyx | so save some junk for me. |
| 17:15.14 | herlo | graphyx: will do |
| 17:17.38 | mrpull | is it friday yet? |
| 17:18.15 | graphyx | almost |
| 17:18.35 | maquis | mrpull: agreed |
| 17:19.03 | mrpull | i'm actually off thursday and friday... so is it wednesday yet? |
| 17:20.20 | maquis | mrpull: no fair |
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| 17:23.30 | synic | anyone running sid here? |
| 17:26.11 | redbeard1 | i almost ran over sid, but i saw him just in time and was able to avoid hitting him |
| 17:40.55 | emcnabb | Super Infrared Dongle? |
| 17:42.03 | mrpull | maquis: you in the North West still? Did you get pounded by the weather? |
| 17:42.38 | maquis | mrpull: i got lucky... i didn't lose power or internet |
| 17:42.38 | maquis | but yes... we got pounded pretty hard |
| 17:45.25 | mrpull | first novell got whacked by a bad storm in august, now microsoft had this one. what is mother nature saying? |
| 17:49.08 | ^Migs^ | maybe bad storms are |
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| 18:05.47 | ^Migs^ | does anyone know much about this company? http://www.saic.com/ |
| 18:06.51 | ^Migs^ | I'm thinking of applying a J2EE opening, but I have no clue if it's a decent company |
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| 18:14.49 | levi | calvarez: You'll love this: http://www.intelib.org/intro.html ;) |
| 18:15.47 | calvarez | levi, lol |
| 18:16.05 | calvarez | why would someone use this? |
| 18:16.27 | levi | Perhaps they really like Lisp and only have a C++ compiler. |
| 18:16.37 | calvarez | lol |
| 18:16.56 | calvarez | they can download and install a Lisp development environment |
| 18:17.06 | levi | That, or they are just insane. |
| 18:17.15 | calvarez | at any rate, I think I found my next language to user |
| 18:17.21 | calvarez | s/user/use/ |
| 18:17.26 | calvarez | P |
| 18:17.26 | calvarez | Y |
| 18:17.27 | calvarez | T |
| 18:17.27 | calvarez | H |
| 18:17.27 | calvarez | O |
| 18:17.28 | calvarez | N |
| 18:17.34 | calvarez | ;) |
| 18:18.00 | calvarez | C++ for the more intensive stuff, python for GUIs and simpler tasks |
| 18:18.16 | calvarez | and for Blender scripts |
| 18:18.44 | calvarez | at any rate, I think too many FOSS projects are useless |
| 18:18.55 | calvarez | with no purpose behind it |
| 18:19.20 | calvarez | I don't mean to troll or to bash Intelib, but why did the author think it would be useful? |
| 18:19.28 | levi | There is a lot of FOSS dross, indeed. |
| 18:19.56 | calvarez | I would prefer to use my spare time making FOSS that is interesting to me AND that would be useful to someone else as well |
| 18:20.27 | Tene | Mmm... blender... |
| 18:20.31 | levi | Perhaps the Intelib loves both Lisp and C++, and wanted to exercise his mad templating skillz. |
| 18:20.33 | calvarez | blender is rad |
| 18:20.36 | calvarez | I love it |
| 18:20.45 | levi | The Intelib guy, I mean. |
| 18:21.01 | calvarez | levi, yea, but again, it really has no use other than being a 1337 exercise |
| 18:21.44 | calvarez | and that's fine, I don't pretend to tell people what to do with their spare time |
| 18:21.53 | calvarez | but I think it's still useless |
| 18:22.23 | levi | Well, I think open source software can be interesting without being useful. If it was closed source, there would be no point at all. |
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| 18:22.39 | levi | Well, I think open source software can be interesting without being useful. If it was closed source, there would be no point at all. |
| 18:22.47 | ^Migs^ | trust me, some legacy system developers would find it useful even if it were closed source |
| 18:23.12 | levi | As is, you could download it and perhaps learn something from the implementation. |
| 18:23.30 | atoponce | levi: get a chance to look at my pastebin? |
| 18:23.55 | levi | atoponce: No, I didn't see the pastebin link. |
| 18:24.05 | atoponce | ok. just a sec |
| 18:24.20 | atoponce | http://pastebin.ca/282490 |
| 18:24.53 | atoponce | i think it's O(n), but definitely better than before |
| 18:25.04 | calvarez | has anybody tried OpenSUSE 10.2 yet? |
| 18:26.33 | calvarez | I am debating whether to stay a Ubuntubian or to convert back to SUSE |
| 18:26.34 | levi | atoponce: That looks reasonable. How does the performance compare? |
| 18:27.15 | atoponce | 20x better, at least. the older script took about 20s comparing two 12,000 line files. this takes <1s |
| 18:28.01 | calvarez | nobody has tried openSUSE 10.2 yet? How about Ubuntu Edgy Eft? |
| 18:28.08 | atoponce | the only thing i can think to improve it, would be to sort the files first, and keep a pointer at where each is |
| 18:28.16 | atoponce | calvarez: running edgy now |
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| 18:28.34 | calvarez | any shortcomings with efty? |
| 18:28.48 | atoponce | a few bugs, but nothing serious. |
| 18:28.57 | calvarez | like what |
| 18:29.00 | levi | I'm running edgy. I like it. |
| 18:29.33 | atoponce | calvarez: there's a bug with X on intel video cards, and firefox is a lot less stable |
| 18:30.01 | atoponce | calvarez: video/flash plugins for firefox has problems too |
| 18:30.03 | levi | atoponce: I doubt sorting them first would improve performance, because you've got to do more than a complete walk through a list to sort it. |
| 18:30.05 | calvarez | ack |
| 18:31.29 | atoponce | calvarez: nothing really serious though. the only serious thing i can think of is the upgrade from dapper. many people experienced headaches there (i was one of them) |
| 18:31.45 | atoponce | i just backed up my data, reformatted, and reinstalled |
| 18:31.53 | calvarez | I prefer to clean install |
| 18:33.21 | atoponce | levi: yeah. sorting the file would add to the overall time, but i think as the files grow (say 300,000 lines), the overall time would improve? |
| 18:33.36 | atoponce | probably just not for smaller files |
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| 18:35.55 | levi | atoponce: Your current technique walks through both lists exactly once each. Sorting a list requires at the very least a complete walk through the list, and on average somewhere between one and two walks through the list. Now, if you sort your lists and then walk through them, how is that going to be faster? |
| 18:37.13 | levi | Wait, that's not exactly right. |
| 18:37.36 | atoponce | hmmm. what you are saying makes sense. i would think that keeping a pointer on a line at one of the files would help with the search. in the 2nd while loop, just start looking where the pointer left off? |
| 18:37.54 | levi | Sorting complexity is n log n on average with a quicksort, and walking through a list is n. |
| 18:37.56 | atoponce | then i don't need to traverse every record |
| 18:38.15 | atoponce | in the while loop that is |
| 18:38.48 | atoponce | but, i am happy with the current implementation. much faster than initially |
| 18:39.44 | atoponce | and it was a good learning exercise. :) |
| 18:40.16 | levi | Say your first list is length n and your second is length m. Just to sort them, you must run an operation with an average time complexity of O(n log n) and one that's O(m log m). That's already worse than your current O(n) + O(m) operation, and you still haven't done your matching. |
| 18:40.38 | atoponce | hmmm. |
| 18:40.51 | levi | The only case in which it might be worth it is actually for SMALL lists where constant factors might be an issue. |
| 18:42.55 | levi | If your lists came to you pre-sorted, you might be able to do better. But when sorting is more expensive than your current operation, it doesn't make any sense. |
| 18:43.15 | atoponce | ok. i see. point taken.- |
| 18:43.41 | atoponce | my only question then would be, would you have done it any different? |
| 18:44.00 | levi | Nope, that's pretty much what I had in mind. |
| 18:44.25 | atoponce | ok. cool! well, thx again for your help the other day. hashes are pretty cool. |
| 18:44.49 | levi | Although, to improve space-efficiency, you might want to choose the smaller of the two lists to hash. |
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| 18:46.05 | levi | Basic complexity analysis of algorithms is your friend. |
| 18:46.37 | atoponce | well, it's interesting putting some of what i've learned in data structures class to practice. :) |
| 18:46.48 | atoponce | and discrete math |
| 18:49.06 | levi | Well, the key with this, as with the cryptography stuff, is to actually do the math rather than relying on vague intuition. |
| 18:50.06 | atoponce | lesson learned! :) |
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| 18:52.04 | tensai | calvarez: I've had some issues with Edgy, both as an upgrade from Dapper and as a clean install |
| 18:57.50 | calvarez | hmm |
| 18:57.54 | calvarez | anybody tried openSUSE 10.2? |
| 18:58.12 | calvarez | man, I've been bouncing off Fedora, openSUSE and Ubuntu each major release |
| 18:58.34 | calvarez | Fedora Core 4 made me switch to SUSE, SUSE 10.1 made me switch to Ubuntu |
| 18:59.15 | findlay | ~analyze levi |
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| 19:14.32 | findlay | what's the best way to make a grid of things with html/css? |
| 19:14.56 | Tene | table? |
| 19:15.00 | Hhhhh | yes |
| 19:15.30 | findlay | with chairs? |
| 19:16.05 | findlay | why not a desk? |
| 19:16.24 | Tene | findlay: is it tabular data? |
| 19:16.33 | findlay | no |
| 19:16.45 | findlay | linear data, really |
| 19:16.53 | findlay | just a list |
| 19:17.31 | Tene | Okay, style all of the <li>s to the same size and display: inline; |
| 19:17.43 | findlay | what does that mean? |
| 19:17.58 | Tene | <ul> |
| 19:18.05 | Tene | erm |
| 19:18.10 | Tene | <ul id="omgitsalist"> |
| 19:18.23 | Tene | <li class="omglistitem">stuffstuffstuff</li> |
| 19:18.25 | Tene | etc. |
| 19:18.46 | findlay | but how does that turn it into a table? |
| 19:18.49 | [phoenyx] | Tene: and a list-style: none; ? |
| 19:18.58 | Tene | .omglistitem { display: inline; } |
| 19:19.21 | findlay | looks like I need to do some reading |
| 19:19.43 | findlay | I've been avoiding CSS these long months, indeed as long as possible |
| 19:19.53 | findlay | fine. I'll learn it |
| 19:20.01 | Tene | add a width: and height: too, I guess. |
| 19:20.03 | findlay | although it gives me no joy |
| 19:20.23 | Tene | what data are you styling here? |
| 19:20.46 | findlay | just a list of items with a thumbnail and description |
| 19:22.02 | Tene | point me to or /msg me an example? |
| 19:23.55 | findlay | 12:23 -!- Tene is away: Gone Forever |
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| 19:27.07 | Tene | lunch now! I'll give you an example when I get back. |
| 19:27.32 | Hhhhh | no, Tene, you have to stay and help |
| 19:27.43 | Hhhhh | you can go to lunch after you're done here |
| 19:27.58 | findlay | yeah |
| 19:28.13 | findlay | ~make Tene stay |
| 19:28.15 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `Tene stay'. Stop. |
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| 19:37.58 | emcnabb | http://www.computergear.com/nicertshirt.html |
| 19:38.00 | emcnabb | that's awesome |
| 19:41.37 | Hhhhh | cool short |
| 19:41.45 | Hhhhh | shirt* |
| 19:41.58 | Hhhhh | so, contest: which one is the worst shirt? |
| 19:42.10 | findlay | ~nice emcnabb |
| 19:42.13 | ibot | ACTION lowers emcnabb's priority |
| 19:44.03 | findlay | man, I hate tables |
| 19:44.22 | findlay | why does html have to be so ugly? |
| 19:44.48 | [phoenyx] | findlay: CSS is the answer you seek |
| 19:45.03 | findlay | but I'd have to learn it |
| 19:46.32 | ^Migs^ | CSS is easy |
| 19:46.40 | ^Migs^ | what are you using tables for? |
| 19:48.08 | findlay | tabular stuff |
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| 19:48.39 | ^Migs^ | nice |
| 19:49.02 | ^Migs^ | just glad you're not using it for nontabular stuff |
| 19:51.52 | findlay | I hate it when you blink while clicking on a link and the two pages have the exact same layout that you don't know if you actually went anywhere |
| 19:54.58 | ^Migs^ | ... |
| 19:54.59 | ^Migs^ | yeah, me too |
| 19:59.41 | findlay | I knew I wasn't alone |
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| 20:32.58 | Tene | findlay: blame fozz. |
| 20:34.45 | findlay | ~blame fozz |
| 20:34.46 | ibot | ACTION blames fozz (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 20:34.55 | findlay | hey, this CSS stuff isn't bad |
| 20:36.53 | Tene | findlay: http://allalone.org/findlay.html |
| 20:40.47 | ^Migs^ | wow, I haven't seen the 3dsmax Character Studio guy in a long time |
| 20:40.53 | findlay | what's with the wierd dude in the corner? |
| 20:41.07 | Tene | findlay: it was a convenient image |
| 20:41.13 | findlay | heh |
| 20:41.16 | ^Migs^ | don't be dissin Ego |
| 20:41.22 | findlay | of all the convenient images out there |
| 20:41.27 | ^Migs^ | rekonize |
| 20:41.33 | Tene | I made that image back in HS... |
| 20:41.51 | findlay | neat |
| 20:41.52 | Tene | I wonder if I still have the full-res version... |
| 20:42.39 | Tene | http://allalone.org/sad1.jpg ... but that's from a different angle. |
| 20:43.03 | Tene | Anyway, that what you were wanting? |
| 20:46.15 | ^Migs^ | that's nothing. I made an entire short video using that guy back in high school, that was shown for senior assembly. Funniest piece of crap ever. |
| 20:46.30 | Tene | m'eh, I didn't say it was anything. |
| 20:46.35 | Tene | i just said that it was convenient. |
| 20:46.41 | ^Migs^ | neither did I, I'm just bragging. |
| 20:46.57 | ^Migs^ | in case you haven't noticed, I like to talk about myself |
| 20:47.46 | ^Migs^ | I'm an interesting person, and I need to be discussed more often |
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| 20:49.36 | elg | -lart emcn |
| 20:51.01 | ^Migs^ | http://mfrost.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/bertinsocks.jpg |
| 20:51.28 | findlay | Tene: yes, thanks |
| 20:51.54 | findlay | ~discuss ^Migs^ |
| 20:54.17 | emcnabb | -lart elg |
| 20:57.14 | elg | doesn't that picture just make you want to pop its eyes? |
| 20:58.35 | Tene | ... no |
| 21:00.00 | elg | oh well |
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| 21:04.03 | findlay | wow, that turned out to be lots easier than I thought |
| 21:04.11 | findlay | I blame goozbach_ |
| 21:05.16 | ^Migs^ | for how easy it was? |
| 21:05.30 | ^Migs^ | see, never hurts to try something new |
| 21:05.44 | findlay | oh, it hurts, it hurts |
| 21:08.24 | atoponce | ~papercut findlay |
| 21:10.10 | ^Migs^ | ~whaleslap atoponce |
| 21:10.11 | ibot | ACTION beats atoponce upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 21:10.27 | atoponce | ~windows ^Migs^ |
| 21:10.29 | ibot | ACTION installs Windows ME on ^Migs^'s PC. |
| 21:10.36 | findlay | ~perl ^Migs^ |
| 21:10.37 | ibot | ACTION forces ^Migs^ to use perl |
| 21:10.42 | ^Migs^ | ~migs findlay |
| 21:10.44 | ibot | ACTION forces findlay to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 21:14.58 | findlay | ~findlay ^Migs^ |
| 21:15.00 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps ^Migs^. |
| 21:16.48 | ^Migs^ | ~whalebomb findlay |
| 21:16.49 | ibot | ACTION throws an explosive whale named Gunter at findlay and hides. |
| 21:17.16 | bonez39 | any of you running on AMD 64, athlon? my son's new box has that processor... |
| 21:17.33 | findlay | that's what I have |
| 21:18.10 | bonez39 | really.....I downloaded this > debian-31r3-amd64-netinst.iso I need to burn it..and then give this a try..... |
| 21:18.51 | ^Migs^ | me too |
| 21:18.56 | bonez39 | I had tried in vain to load an i86 image...and it wouldn't load, didn't have the right network drivers...now i realize cause it was wrong kernel...wasn't for amd |
| 21:19.39 | macnewbold | you should be able to run a 32-bit x86 image on intel or amd 32 or 64 bit cpus |
| 21:19.51 | macnewbold | network drivers are a separate issue from the #ofbits |
| 21:19.56 | macnewbold | or the cpu manufacturer |
| 21:20.58 | findlay | bonez39: can you get any livecd to run on it? |
| 21:21.04 | bonez39 | macnewbold, well, this board has nvidia network onboard LAN controller...and I tried every net driver that came up and nothing would work...or load...and the board doesn't come with any discrete drivers...well, some on a cd..but just nvidia... |
| 21:21.17 | bonez39 | I am sure my knoppix disc will run on it.... |
| 21:21.19 | findlay | knoppix has always been solid for me |
| 21:21.37 | findlay | that's what I'd try first |
| 21:22.41 | bonez39 | ok..... |
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| 21:45.33 | ^Migs^ | I haven't gotten squat done today |
| 21:46.43 | Tene | yay! |
| 21:47.16 | findlay | Tene: the list wraps just fine but the border of an enclosing div only includes the first row. Is that a FF CSS bug? |
| 21:47.27 | Tene | eh? |
| 21:47.36 | ^Migs^ | link + pastebin, plz |
| 21:47.39 | Tene | No, that's because of Floating Issues. |
| 21:47.47 | findlay | hm |
| 21:47.59 | Tene | simple hack |
| 21:48.01 | ^Migs^ | css noobs are so adorable |
| 21:48.14 | ^Migs^ | ~coochiecoochiecoo findlay |
| 21:48.25 | findlay | are you declaring yourself adorable ^Migs^? |
| 21:48.40 | ^Migs^ | lololoflcoptrz |
| 21:48.50 | goozbach_ | bah, nickchange |
| 21:49.49 | Tene | http://allalone.org/findlay.html |
| 21:49.58 | Tene | look at the div at the end of the list |
| 21:50.31 | Tene | That's the magic hack that makes floats do what you want. |
| 21:50.38 | findlay | hm |
| 21:50.50 | Tene | That look good for you? |
| 21:51.20 | Tene | The (possibly better) alternative is to use display: inline; instead of float. |
| 21:51.35 | Tene | Float just makes it a bit easier to set everything to the same size. |
| 21:51.53 | findlay | that seems to work |
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| 21:57.03 | findlay | ~reset goozbach |
| 22:00.56 | ^Migs^ | it's really rather stupid that people are using images to make rounded corners. Rounded corners should be CSS-only. |
| 22:01.17 | ^Migs^ | using images misses the whole point |
| 22:01.38 | findlay | heh |
| 22:02.05 | goozbach | hey atoponce, if you make an algorithm better don't you INCREASE the efficiency of it? |
| 22:02.09 | goozbach | :) |
| 22:02.21 | atoponce | naturally |
| 22:02.33 | goozbach | ok you may want to re-read your last post then |
| 22:03.29 | goozbach | speaking of inefficent algorithms... I've got a directory server script that deals with ~850,000 records daily |
| 22:03.47 | goozbach | "I can reduce the efficiency of the algorithm greatly by using hashes." |
| 22:03.52 | goozbach | should read: |
| 22:04.01 | goozbach | "I can increase the efficiency of the algorithm greatly by using hashes." |
| 22:04.33 | findlay | "I can hash the efficiency of the reduction greatly by using algorithms" |
| 22:05.29 | goozbach | if you weren't confused before findlay's addition to this conversation, you should be now |
| 22:05.47 | atoponce | haha. |
| 22:05.50 | atoponce | fixing now |
| 22:06.23 | atoponce | done. thx for the proofread |
| 22:06.32 | goozbach | np |
| 22:07.33 | ^Migs^ | efficiency greatly reduces the algorithmic hash's can usage |
| 22:20.56 | levi | findlay: http://www.math.nmsu.edu/hist_projects/ |
| 22:21.43 | levi | atoponce: Also, the complexity was reduced from O(n*m) to O(n+m), as you still must go through both lists. |
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| 22:45.46 | findlay | I bet I could get an algorithm that's O(n^m) if I wanted |
| 22:46.36 | [phoenyx] | that's *greatly* reduced efficiency! |
| 22:47.44 | levi | Indeed. |
| 22:48.56 | levi | findlay: You might aim a bit higher, though. Like O(n!*m!) or something. |
| 22:49.14 | levi | (Would that be higher?) |
| 22:49.32 | elg | levi: not sure, but O(n!^(m!)) sure would be |
| 22:49.39 | maquis | levi: 2^n * 2^m |
| 22:50.08 | maquis | 2^(n^m) |
| 22:50.27 | levi | Well, sure, there are other big examples, thus the 'or something'. |
| 22:50.35 | maquis | :) |
| 22:50.43 | maquis | just having fun |
| 22:51.20 | maquis | "and we know it's almost christmas by the marks we make on the wall" |
| 22:52.21 | maquis | "merry christmas from chiron beta prime where we're working in a mine... for our robot overlords...." |
| 22:52.22 | findlay | wait a second, ! binds tighter thann ^ |
| 22:52.56 | findlay | O(BB(n,m)) |
| 22:53.12 | findlay | heh, can't get much bigger than that |
| 22:53.21 | findlay | unless you want to play the game |
| 22:54.51 | levi | findlay: The trouble would be actually designing an algorithm with that complexity. |
| 22:55.26 | levi | maquis: Did you hear the story behind that graphing calculator program? |
| 22:55.47 | maquis | levi: yup |
| 22:55.49 | maquis | skunkware! |
| 23:03.43 | atoponce | levi: yes. thank you. an oversight |
| 23:09.28 | atoponce | why _do_ oversight and oversee mean different things? |
| 23:09.44 | atoponce | in fact, why are a wise guy and a wise man opposites? |
| 23:10.40 | findlay | atoponce: they don't necessarily |
| 23:11.04 | atoponce | and how's that? |
| 23:11.12 | findlay | for example, 'congressional oversight' means oversee |
| 23:13.28 | maquis | findlay: not necessarily |
| 23:13.35 | tensai | to quote doctor nick, "inflammable means flammable? What a country!" |
| 23:13.38 | findlay | maquis: yes it does |
| 23:13.55 | maquis | when congress oversees anything, their findings are full of oversights |
| 23:14.00 | findlay | infamous means famous? |
| 23:14.09 | findlay | 'he's so famous he's infamous' |
| 23:14.20 | findlay | maquis: heh |
| 23:14.39 | maquis | you park on the driveway and drive on a parkway |
| 23:16.53 | atoponce | if you spin a chinese around in a chair, does he become disoriented? |
| 23:17.17 | atoponce | s/chinese/japanese/ |
| 23:17.38 | atoponce | probably more acurate there. |
| 23:18.09 | findlay | isn't it Japanesian? |
| 23:18.09 | findlay | from Japanesia |
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| 23:23.53 | macnewbold | maquis - you speak chinese, if I remember right? |
| 23:26.09 | maquis | macnewbold: i attempt, at least :) |
| 23:26.38 | tensai | any bind experts around? |
| 23:26.44 | maquis | it's still pretty basic, but i can do basic conversation, and even more-basic reading/writing |
| 23:27.00 | macnewbold | do you ever do any translation? |
| 23:27.10 | atoponce | ~seen harleypig |
| 23:27.29 | ibot | harleypig <n=harleypi@pollux.northsky.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 7d 40m 57s ago, saying: 'it doesn't say anything about the ~commands that people have been using'. |
| 23:27.30 | macnewbold | tensai: I use bind, don't know how much of an expert I am though |
| 23:27.31 | Tene | tensai: used it. |
| 23:27.44 | maquis | macnewbold: never done it before... don't think i'm anywhere near that level, unfortunately |
| 23:27.56 | macnewbold | ah, okay |
| 23:28.01 | maquis | y? |
| 23:28.38 | tensai | macnewbold: I've got an issue where my bind server will fail on TCP queries |
| 23:28.45 | macnewbold | weird |
| 23:28.53 | macnewbold | but udp does fine? |
| 23:29.01 | tensai | these are ridiculously large results and I would love to smack around whoever created them |
| 23:29.19 | tensai | yeah, udp seems fine |
| 23:29.59 | tensai | dig mx nc.rr.com |
| 23:31.15 | tensai | it's a really infrequent error but I've been able to recreate it |
| 23:32.38 | Tene | tensai: remind you of xbm's filesharing-via-dns thing? |
| 23:33.11 | tensai | Tene: heh. it's nice to know it wouldn't have worked so well, I guess. |
| 23:34.02 | tensai | it's silly. the mx lists 6 hosts. Each host has 8 A records. That's 48 IP addresses in every query. |
| 23:34.18 | tensai | I've seen worse but never any that my customers actually wanted to send mail to |
| 23:36.14 | Tene | but... scalability! |
| 23:39.19 | findlay | somebody should make a hack that will DNS query the whole internet then you can `query_the_internet > internet` and study it in your leisure to know all about the internet |
| 23:40.45 | findlay | ~findlay internet |
| 23:40.50 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps internet. |
| 23:43.48 | tensai | well, in theory you could use zone transfers starting at ".". in practice, zone transfers are turned off justa bout everywhere. |
| 23:52.41 | Tene | I think I dislike Tipping Point. |
